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A
A
A
My
ques-
and
maybe
this
sounds
ignorant
honestly,
but
like
does
the
leaf
not
do
that.
B
And
someone
that
agency
that
needs
to
apply
a
standard,
we
think
this
can
help
be
consistent.
B
B
That
is
a
whole
other
legal
process
and,
in
my
mind,
in
our
mind,
this
provides
a
standard
for.
B
The
city
to
reference
in
that
in
that
way,
and
it's
an
attestation
that
people
have
understood.
B
The
ordinance
they
understand
the
title,
20
occupancy
ordinance
and
they're
they're
attesting.
B
B
If
you
have
anything
to
add
there
from
a
legal
perspective,
if,
if,
if
that's
okay,
councilmember.
D
D
C
Okay
sing:
none
we'll
go
to
the
public
for
comments
on
amendment
3
of
ordinance,
21-30.
E
Speaking
just
the
amendment
now
as
requested
so
after
the
last
city
council
hearing
on
this.
E
Ordinance,
we
had
multiple
interactions
with
with
john
zodie,
brent
pierce
and
daniel
dixon.
E
They
were
extremely
receptive
and
you
know
we
we,
you
know,
had
a
great
interaction
and
we're.
E
So
I
personally
support
the
amendments,
this
amendment
and
believe
it
you
know,
gets
it.
You
know.
F
Hi
thanks,
my
name
is
greg
alexander.
Basically,
echoing
mr
fig
just
said.
F
F
G
Hello,
I
just
have
a
question:
it's
probably
more
of
a
legal
question,
so
the
house
enrolled.
G
G
G
G
H
H
H
On
to
the
documents,
which
then
become
a
matter
of
public
record,
specifically
one
example,
I.
H
H
H
So
that
is
one
aspect
that
I
had
found
concerning
with
this
amendment,
if
my
opinion
basically.
H
Relationship
in
bloomington
even
further,
I
would
like
to
say
additionally
that
there
is.
H
An
aspect
regarding
the
general
assembly
that
has
been
mentioned,
I
will
leave
the
city
legal
to.
H
Their
interpretation
of
that,
but
I
would
advise
the
council
to
be
wary
of
wading
into
a
potential.
H
Lawsuit
with
the
state
again
regarding
an
issue
of
this
importance
simply
due
to
legal
costs,
time.
H
And
that
sort
of
thing
so,
like
I
said
if,
if
this
is
to
pass
overall,
I
think
it
needs
to
pass.
H
C
I
Next
is
victor
gutierrez
yeah.
I
just
had
a
question
in
in
in
relation
to
was
mentioned.
J
Before
about
some
of
this
information
being
part
of
the
leases,
I
know
it
was
stated
that
it's.
J
Not
always
the
case,
but
in
in
the
situation
of
a
property
owner
or
property
management.
J
To
not
have
to
do
the
affidavit
if
we
meet
the
requirements
on
information
and
release
instead,.
K
Members
of
the
public's
questions
first,
I
wonder
if
mr
dixon
could
speak
to.
D
D
Originally
passed
in
2020,
the
governor
vetoed
the
legislation
and
the
veto
was
overridden.
D
In
I
believe
february
of
2021.
the
issue
about
the
legal
footing
of
that,
I
think,
has
been
pre.
D
Thing
I
will
mention
is
that
occupancy
limits
are
put
in
place
through
the
udo.
The
udo
is
a.
D
So
I
don't
have
significant
concerns
regarding
the
existence
of
148,
as
it
currently
reads,.
C
Okay,
thank
you
that
cover
that
councilman
clarity.
Yes,
so
I
had
a
follow-up
or
a.
K
Second
question,
but
if
others
did
okay,
do
we
have
any
other
questions
from
counselors.
K
The
comment
from
mr
gutierrez-
I
don't
know
if
mr
zodi
or
or
mr
prediction
would
be
able
to.
K
Respond
about
sort
of
easing
administrative
burden
for
rental
companies
or
landlords.
K
In
terms
of
incorporating
the
information
as
part
of
as
part
of
a
lease
and
and
just.
D
If
I
could
answer
that
two
things
so
going
back
to
sca
148,
I
would
have
concerns
if
we
started
to.
D
D
From
doing
in
148.
they,
that
is
something
that
I
believe
landlords
could
do
voluntarily.
D
Request
for
variance
or
appeal
with
the
board
of
housing,
quality,
appeals
and
present
their
case.
D
D
C
Okay,
saying
none,
the
president
will
put
this
question
to
a
vote
by
announcing
the
question.
C
C
Councilman
flaherty,
yes,
I
believe,
we've
considered
everything
we
need
for
amendment.
K
C
Four
does
that
render
it
mute?
No,
I
would
like
to
go
ahead
and
move
that
amendment
if
it.
C
C
K
K
So
it
in
particular
in
the
text,
it
strikes
the
the
words
not
less
than
once
per
calendar
year
and.
K
Also
by
striking
that
language,
especially
as
we
sh
we've
with
amendment
three
moved
away
from.
K
An
annual
cycle
based
in
the
month
of
september
now
it's
simply
a
requirement
that.
K
That
landlords
maintain
the
affidavit
in
in
their
files.
So
this
notes
that
if
there's.
K
Dwelling
unit
the
there
would
be
no
obligation
to
continue
to
update
that
affidavit
annually.
K
Related
to
the
current
set
of
tenants
need
to
needs
to
be
maintained
on
hand.
K
So
that
is
the
the
whole
of
the
amendment.
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
C
B
I
have
not
been
able
to
review
it
extensively.
Just
saw
it
come
through
today.
B
So
I'm
sort
of
thinking
on
the
fly
here
I
apologize.
I
think
the.
B
I
want
to
know
logistically,
mr
president,
how
the
oh,
no,
no,
I
was
going
to
say
I'd
like
for
you.
D
B
B
Ongoing
education
process,
I
understand
councilmember
flaherty's
idea
that
you
know
you.
B
B
Would
have
to
sign
a
new
one.
Is
that
may
I
ask,
mr
president,
that's
that's
the
idea
that
a
new.
B
B
The
first
piece,
if
the
council
is
amenable
to
it,
I
think
that
we
would
be
okay
with
that.
B
The
second
piece
I
have
another
logistical
question:
I
think
councilmember
flaherty.
If
I
may.
K
I
could
clarify,
I,
I
think
there
was
maybe
a
misunderstanding
of
the
second
part.
It
would
just.
K
Be
the
current
affidavit
on
file
if
you've
had
the
same
tenant
for
five
years
and
they
executed.
K
If
you
have
a
long-term
tenant,
for
instance,
so
it
does,
it
doesn't
say
that
in
this
version.
K
Or
if
this
amendment
passed,
everybody
subject
to
this
ordinance
would
still
have
to
have
a
valid.
K
Affidavit
on
hand
or
on
file
maintain
it
in
the
words
of
the
ordinance,
but
it
would
not
have.
B
To
review
this
extensively,
when
it
came
out
the
owner
of
the
universe
that
shall
retain.
B
Until
the
day
of
changing
the
owner
of
the
resident
shell,
you
know
I
don't
know
that
to.
B
B
Else
on
staff
on
spot
here
to
see
if
they
see
any
problems
brent,
john,
daniel
and
affinity.
B
Logistics
here,
if
I
may
counsel,
I
want
to
make
sure
we
talk
about
this
and
I
sorry
for
the.
B
Yeah
here
sorry,
director,
zodie
everybody
hear
me
this
is
brent
pierce,
I'm
the
assistant.
M
Director
at
hand
and
just
again
sort
of
in
in
thinking
about
this
kind
of
in
the
moment
here.
M
We,
you
know,
after
engaging
the
landlord
community
property
owner
community.
M
The
maintenance
of
the
the
records
of
occupancy
the
affidavit
by
the
property
owner
was
the.
M
M
The
the
the
annual
affidavit
collection
that
they
had,
and
so
we
we
kind
of,
came
to.
M
An
agreement
as
a
as
you
know,
internal
hand,
staff,
along
with
the
apartment
association
that.
M
The
policy
came
out
of,
but
again
as
opposed
to
the
collection
by
hand
and
the
annual
submission.
M
The
I
you
know
the
policy
desire
for
tenant
notice.
You
know
an
educated
sort
of
tenant
universe.
M
But
also
the
you
know,
landlords
being
sure
that
every
year
they
were
keeping
up
on.
M
Not
a
that's,
not
a
statement,
necessarily
that
objects
to
the
amendment
I
just
explaining
where.
M
M
The
department
in
a
a
yes
or
no
or
up
or
down
to
the
amendment
I
I
will
just
that-
that's
a
bit.
M
Of
an
explanation
as
to
where
we
were
coming
from
that
it
that
it
wasn't
necessarily
an
internal.
M
Comes
to
tenants
and
landlords
that
a
that
an
annual
or
everything
you
know
the
time
attendant.
M
Changes
collection
of
the
affidavit
makes
sense.
That
being
said,
I
guess
I
would
certainly
defer.
M
To
council,
as
the
the
ultimate
decider
as
to
whether
or
not
to
take
up
this
amendment.
M
The
annual
collection
with
the
cycle,
inspection
review
of
the
documents-
if
I
may-
oh,
I
don't.
B
B
B
Ask
you
that
question
again,
so
does
it
allow
us
to
apply
that
standard
of.
B
B
B
B
B
John
you're
muted,
if
you
okay,
took
me
a
minute
to
get
the
unmute
to
happen.
Sorry
about
that.
N
Collect
the
data
because,
as
a
normal
course
of
of
doing
inspections
for
the
last
number
of
years,.
C
C
Member
sandberg,
yes,
thank
you,
and
this
was
to
director,
zodie
or
or
mr
pierce
in
speaking,.
O
With
the
the
landlords
and
the
apartment
association
folks
during
this
past
week
have.
O
Any
of
them
indicated
that
this
would
be.
You
know
a
burden
to
them
to
provide
the
affidavit.
O
Is
this
going
to
be
any
kind
of
you
know,
difficulty
for
them
to
do
it
as
we've.
O
Discussed
in
amendment
three,
I
think
the
councilmember
stanbury,
I
think
the
amendment
three.
B
And
I'll
reference,
mr
fig's
comment,
if
I
may
mark
that
this
is
a
good
compromise
that
they're.
B
Happy
that
it's
in
this
better
place
right,
so
I
will
say
that
I
don't
think
amendment
four
changes.
B
B
B
B
B
B
That's
a
surprise,
as
far
as
I'll
go
to
characterize
how
I
think
the
landlords
would
respond
as
councilmember
sandberg
I'll
rely
on
them.
I
know
we're
past
public
comment,
but.
P
I
had
a
similar
question,
but
I
also
had
a
second
part,
and
that
is
that
mr
zodiac.
B
B
As
I
was
trying
to
let
the
wheels
turn
as
fast
as
they
can
here,
if
the
council
is
okay
with.
B
The
education
piece-
I
think
we
would
be
okay
with
that.
We
think
it's
important,
but
we
also.
B
B
P
Yes,
could
I
ask
a
fellow
president?
Yes,
yes,
council
to
the
sponsor
councilmember.
P
Flaherty,
I
wondered
about
a
little
bit
more
about
your
intent
on.
This
is
it's
to
prevent.
P
You
know
you,
you
see,
a
yearly
affidavit
is
being
redundant.
Is
that
the
primary
motivation.
P
That
you
have
for
offering
the
amendment
redundant
and
an
administrative
burden
for.
K
Landlords
and
and
sort
of
a
burden
for
tenants
as
well.
You
know
we
had
public
comment
two
weeks.
K
Ago,
as
well
as
feedback,
I've
gotten
from
both
tenants
and
landlords
that
not
not
everyone.
K
Month
to
month,
amendment
four
specifically
doesn't
aim
to
undermine
any
of
the
goals
of
the.
K
All
of
the
key
components
in
place,
a
valid
affidavit
would
still
need
to
be
maintained.
K
K
For
an
annual
requirement
for
folks
who
are
in
the
same
living
situation,
same
landlord
same.
K
Tenants-
and
even
you
know
again,
we
kind
of
with
this
with
amendment
three:
we
got
off
of
the.
K
K
This
annually,
so
mr
zodie
mentioned
the
you
know
last
two
years,
language
was
motivated
by.
K
The
idea
that
since
there's
no
date
required
by
which
you
must
do
this
quote
unquote
annually,.
K
K
K
Tenants
or
updating
the
lease
so
again
responding
to
tenants
and
landlord
feedback.
K
K
K
If
we're
thinking
about
and
distinguishing
among
student
and
non-student
renter.
K
Adult
renters
are
probably
much
more
likely
to
be
multi-year
tenants
in
places
and
and
sort
of.
K
P
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
zodi.
Did
you
have
a
response,
just
I
guess
to
reiterate
the
point.
B
B
B
B
B
C
Q
Yes,
thank
you
to
council
member
flaherty
for
bringing
up
this
issue,
which
is
very
similar
to.
Q
Member
flaherty
could
tell
us
whether
this
is
related
to
amendment
two
and
and
how.
Q
It
may
be
different
sure,
yeah
good
question
amendment
to
struck
language
about.
K
Basically,
not
needing
to
fill
out
being
able
to
check
a
box
in
a
form
that
said
no.
K
To
go
through
extra
work
or
submissions,
I
think
the
difference
was
with
amendment
two.
K
K
A
sort
of
distinction
that
I
don't
know
whether
they'll
make
a
difference
for
for.
K
Members
of
this
council
or
not,
but
I
think
it's
relevantly
different
enough-
that
this
is
not.
C
Thank
you,
fellow
council
members
have
any
more
questions:
councilmember
sandberg
other.
O
Than
I
see
that
brent
pierce
has
had
a
hand
up,
I
think
he
wanted
to
comment
a
couple
of.
M
M
A
thought
as
we're
thinking
through
this
I
as
we
engaged
the
apartment
association
in.
M
M
If
there,
if
you
know
in
the
event
that
that
a
landlord
had
a
five
year
cycle
or.
M
Even
a
three
year
cycle,
what
their
their
thoughts
are
in
me
on
maintaining
your
records.
M
M
For
landlords,
thank
you,
council,
member
sander.
Did
you
have
any
other
questions?
No,
I
wanted
to.
E
C
Okay,
I'm
going
from
screen
screens
and
if
I
have
any
hands
seeing
that
and
we
will
go
to
the.
C
Post
a
note
in
chat
to
indicate
your
desire
to
speak
publicly.
Mr
lucas,
I
see
one
hand
up
I'll.
C
Unless
she's
ready
now,
no,
no,
yes,
that's
that's
fine.
Mark
figg
should
be
able
to.
E
You
know
I'll
give
you
some
general
thoughts
on
on
amendment
4.,
so
as
a
practical
matter.
E
E
E
E
C
Thank
you
for
your
comments,
mr
figgs.
Do
we
have
anyone
else,
mr
lupus.
C
S
Keeping
records
private
mrs
amber,
could
ask
the
question
what
landlords
had
thought.
S
S
You
have
as
a
part
of
this
packet,
I
am
still
as
we
sign
leases
using
the
other
form
currently.
S
There
was
a
on
the
form,
I
think
there
was
a
word
about
submitting,
but
anyways
we
took
that.
S
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
think
that
may
have
been
for
the
entire
ordinance.
C
Public
commenters,
yes
andrew
gunther,.
H
Andrew
gunker
for
the
record,
as
someone
who
has
previously
worked
for
landlords
and.
H
Property
managers
and
currently
who
rents.
I
would
say
that
I
am
in
support
of
amendment
four.
H
H
H
H
Keep
a
hold
of,
and
as
another
instance
of
where
I
wouldn't
have
to
go,
to
see
my
landlord
in
order.
H
To
do
this,
because
currently
we
do
most
of
our
communications
online,
it
may
seem
small.
You.
H
Know
it's
just
a
couple
pieces
of
paper
who
really
cares,
but
in
my
experience,
working.
H
In
property
management
every
time
there's
a
new
requirement
or
every
time
there's
a
new
form.
H
It
often
translates
even
in
minor,
increased
costs,
there's
more
man,
hours
involved.
H
The
process
by
not
having
to
do
it
repeatedly
to
say
that
it's
an
education
perspective
I.
H
Can
understand
that
to
a
degree,
however,
tenants
aren't
idiots
and
neither
are
landlords
once.
H
You
fill
out
the
form,
you
know
what
the
form
is.
You
don't
need
to
do
it
year
after
year,
after.
H
Laid
out
in
your
lease,
so
I
I
again,
I
don't
see
the
harm
in
this
amendment.
In
fact,
I
think
it.
H
I
C
Final
comments
on
amendment
four:
if
you
have
any
final
comments,.
C
Council
member
sandberg,
thank
you
based
on
the
feedback
that
we've
just
heard
and
staffs
really.
O
O
O
O
O
O
Q
Q
Q
Given
that
the
staff
are
not
opposed,
I
also
will
support
this
amendment.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
any
other
council
members.
Any
comments.
C
Thank
you
before
we
move
forward.
Mr
zolte,
I
believe
you
had
your
hand
up
again.
B
No
I'm
just
thinking
through
processes
here
and
if
the
lease
it's
a
multi-year
tenant.
If.
B
B
Just
making
sure
that
I'm
processing
the
input
we
got
from
folks,
correctly
and
transparently,
I.
C
C
Your
patience
and
talking
us
through
all
of
this
do
we
have
any
other
comments
from
council.
C
Okay
on
this
amendment,
one
thing
that
I
will
say
on
my.
C
Comments
some
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
from
the
public.
C
There's
just
a
couple
of
pieces
of
paper
and
who
really
cares
that
that
concerns
me
a
little
bit.
C
Aspect
is
very,
very
important
and
I,
like
council,
member
piedmont,
spence
sponsored
amendment.
C
We
can
voluntarily
comply
and
not
have
problems,
I'm
very
glad
to
hear
that
landlords
and.
C
Fund,
I
think
I
was
very
helpful
and
smart
on
their
part
to
do
that.
So,
having
said
that,.
C
For
the
role
on
amendment
4
of
ordinance
21-30
will
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
role.
C
As
amended,
we
will
now
go
to
council
for
any
questions
on
ordinance
21-30
as
amended.
K
Sorry
for
mr
zodi,
I
I
had
a
question
about,
and
maybe
you
don't
have
hard
numbers
that
we.
K
Spoke
last
week,
and
I
kind
of
asked
about
it
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
were
able
to
get
this.
K
But
thinking
for
the
last
few
years,
let's
say
I'm
wondering
a
how
many
over-occupancy
complaints.
K
Some
someone
might
see
a
lot
of
cars
because
somebody's
visiting
and
report
an
over
occupancy.
K
How
many
of
them
are
proven
to
be
valid
where
we
issue
a
notice
of
violation
yeah?
Well,
I
think.
B
The
estimate
is
on
an
annual
basis.
We
get
about
between
25
and
30
either
or
allegations
complaints.
B
You
back
to
the
data
collection
standpoint
that
we
have
not
had
a
system
in
place.
B
B
B
About
doing
that
in
the
interim,
but
we
really
need
to
go
in
the
in
the
midst
of
everything
we.
B
I
think
can
change
the
way
it
tracks,
so
I
don't
have
hard
numbers
for
you
and
that's
that's
the.
B
B
Comprehensive
more
updated
system
that
we
can
work
with
rent
pro
has
been
great,
but
we've
got
so.
B
Through
that
process
now,
so
I
think
this
will
help
us
collect
better
and
harder
data
to
answer.
C
K
Relevant
concern
for
me
is
in
implementing
a
solution
like
this,
which
is,
is
pretty
wide.
K
In
scope,
I
want
to
make
sure
it
is
the
most
narrowly
tailored
solution
that
would
work
to.
K
K
K
Bear
on
on
that
problem,
whatever
the
size
are
relevant
to
me
too,
so
I
I'm
wondering
if.
K
If
city
staff
could
speak
more
directly
to
the
shortcomings
of
our
current
tools,
so
when
it,
when.
K
A
violate
you
know
when
a
over
occupancy
alleged
over
occupancy
is
is
reported.
K
That
was
mentioned
or
or
simply
speaking
with
the
landlord.
I
know
I
spoke
to
mr
fig.
K
That
there
is
an
alleged
over
occupancy
a
he
wants
to
know
about
it,
because
I
mean.
K
Somebody's
living
there
who's
not
paying
for
the
space
but
b
that
it's
resolved
through.
K
K
Very
wide-ranging
system
to
do
something
that
we
are
already
able
to
effectively
do.
K
K
Two
dozen
cases
a
year,
so
could
you
speak
to
the
the
inadequacy
of
the
current.
B
Sure
my
perspective,
you
know
two
months
in
here,
council
member
is
a
couple
of
things.
I
think.
B
B
In
the
department
and
we've
lost
a
lot
too
and
you
know,
we've
got
thousands
of
files
in
the.
B
B
Know
overgrowth,
for
instance,
under
title
six
overgrowth
here
could
be
something
different.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
As
best
as
we
can,
and
I
think
that
our
inspectors,
you
know,
I
defer
to
their
judgment
all
the
time.
B
B
B
Have
trouble
with
consistent
enforcement,
so
I
think
it's
it's
trying
to
you're
kind.
B
Little
bit,
I
think,
on
how
we're
able
to
retrieve
information
if
there's
an
over-occupancy.
C
K
To
try
to
address
you
know
the
the
failures
of
of
the
current
tools.
If
there's
not
more
to.
B
B
Speak
to
plantings,
processes
and
or
like
thereof
or
anything
like
that,
I'll
defer
to
them
and.
B
I
know
they're
not
on
tonight,
but
I
I
I
won't
don't
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
planning,
but
I.
B
This
can
apply
a
standard
that
makes
it
more
efficient,
certainly
to
track
information
in
our.
B
Q
Yes,
can
you
remind
us,
mr
zodi,
why
is
this
limit?
Is
this
ordinance
to
be
limited
to
properties.
Q
Where
there
are
four
or
fewer
units
the
standard
we
put
in
place,
there
is
that's
the.
B
Anecdotally
and
again,
this
is
where
we
need
to
collect
data.
A
lot
of
the
concerns
with.
B
B
Allow
us
to
collect
some
better
data
here,
but
the
threshold
we
put
in
place
was
because
of
the.
Q
You
know
paths
of
egress
in
case
of
a
fire,
and
things
like
that.
You
could
have
a
more.
B
Universe,
given
the
threshold
with
with
services
that
this
was,
this
is
the
universe
where
we.
B
Should
be
looking
at
putting
this
standard
in
place,
we
haven't
discussed
going.
B
Housing
across
the
city,
there's
no
doubt
in
my
mind
and
there's
no
no
question
there.
B
So
that
wasn't
the
you
know
the
issue
of
over
occupancy.
Yes,
of
course,
is
a
safety
issue,
but.
B
In
terms
of
where
we
think
other
city
services
are
are
being
applied,.
B
This
made
sense
so
and
daniel.
I
see
you
come
up
there
if
you
have
something
else.
D
C
Mr
dixon,
I
I
did
want
to
add
one
one
other
thing
in
section
d
of
the
proposed
ordinance.
C
B
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
the
council
or
the
excuse
me.
The
question
council
member.
A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Any
further
questions
from
council.
Okay,
seeing
none
will
go
to
the
public
for.
C
To
indicate
your
desire
to
speak
publicly,
mr
lucas,
who
do
we
have
first
up,
is
dave
warren.
U
Right
good
evening,
my
name
is
dave
warren
and
I
I
really
appreciate
the
work
of.
U
Is
discriminatory,
it
discriminates.
It
discriminates
on
age,
housing,
tenure,
income.
U
U
Homeowners,
you
know
treating
a
large
portion
of
our
community
as
as
different
than.
U
It
really
makes
me
question
why
this
is:
is
such
a
priority
for
for
the
administration
right
now.
U
U
U
Renters,
you
know
the
city
is
65
percent
renter.
So
I'm
just
curious
to
know
what
what
percent
of.
U
E
Monroe
county
park
apartment
association-
you
know
we
submitted
a
letter
from
mca
today.
I.
E
E
You
know,
maybe
it
is
necessary,
but
I
I
don't
see
the
case
for
it.
I
would
beg
you
to
not.
E
E
I
just
have
to
remind
everybody:
we
do
have
a
housing
crisis
in
this
town.
It's
it's
real.
E
E
E
And
in
fact,
because
we
generally
have
sprinkler
systems
and
robust
systems
in
place,
I
will
tell.
E
E
E
E
V
V
V
Here
in
bloomington,
I
want
to
thank
john
zoete,
brent
pierce
and
daniel
dixon
for
the.
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
W
W
Oh
15
years
here
in
bloomington,
let
me
just
say
from
a
personal
point
of
view,
even
though
I
do.
W
Really
appreciate
the
flexibility
that
hand
and
and
john
have
shown
toward
you
know.
W
An
efficient
process,
I
do
think
it's
trying
to
solve
a
problem
that
doesn't
particularly
exist.
W
Misguided
and
discriminatory
toward
renters,
and
so
you
know
you
guys-
have
the
power
to
choose.
W
W
Family
relationships
as
a
renter
and
don't
really
think
it's
anybody's
business.
W
Especially
you
know,
I've
also
been
the
subject
of
complaints
about
cars.
You
know.
W
W
Problem
of
over
occupancy,
so
I
wouldn't
encourage
you
to
to
vote
against
this
ordinance.
X
Resolution
and
stance
on
matter,
I
feel,
if
there's
only
six
valid
complaints
in
three
years.
X
This
is
way
too
wide
of
a
brush
to
be
and
tool
to
be
using
if
we
were
gonna.
X
X
And
I
think
it's
obviously
rushed
as
well
with
the
form
not
being
corrected
yet.
X
To
require
a
demonstrated
problem
before
creating
such
a
vast
tool
and
an
added
burden.
X
To
to
all
the
landlords
in
town
he
intended
to
to
fill
out
a
form,
another
form,
and
I
do
question.
X
X
H
My
name
is
andrew
gunther
for
the
record,
as
I've
said
before,
I'm
currently
a
renter
I've.
H
You
know,
and
many
of
the
problems
can
be
handled
by
hand
in
the
city
by
changing.
H
H
Is
not
a
big
enough
issue
to
be
using
a
tool
of
this
broadness?
You
know
we
need
a
scalpel
and.
H
We're
using
a
a
sledgehammer
at
this
point,
I
I
think
it
it's
not.
H
A
sufficient
tool
in
that
it's
it's
way
too
broad.
I
would
also
like
to
support
what.
H
Occupancy
limits
themselves
are
discriminatory.
You
know
it
strikes
me
as
interesting
that
if
I.
H
A
single
family,
home
and
theoretically,
I
could
stuff
as
many
people
as
I
want,
who
are.
H
I'm
not
aware
of
any
law
in
bloomington
that
precludes
me
from
doing
so.
But
since
I
don't.
H
Loan
or
a
mortgage,
I'm
renting,
and
I'm
forced
to
abide
by
this
occupancy
limit
that.
H
People
of
a
greater
class
are
not
held
by
I'd,
also
like
to
say
that
during
my
time
on.
H
H
They
there
are
only
so
many
hand
peop
employees
to
go
around.
I
believe
that
the
manpower
and.
H
The
the
man-hours
of
hand
should
be
better
used
to
enforce
laws
already
on
the
books.
H
H
H
That
are
reputable
that
are
pushing
to
over-occupy.
When
I
worked
for
a
landlord
and
a
property.
H
There's
limited
space
in
the
fridge,
there's
limited
outlets
to
be
used
and
someone
calls.
H
H
Hand
regarding
over
occupancy,
so
I
don't
think
that
this
legislation
does
anything
that.
H
H
Administration,
but
certainly
not
a
priority
for
any
renter
that
I
know
they
think
that
there's.
H
Han
could
be
working
on-
that's
not
addressed
at
all
by
this
legislation,
so
I
encourage
you
to.
H
That
you
have
passed
have
made
it
less
egregious,
have
made
it
less
invasive,
but
I
still
think.
H
I
Yes,
we
have
one
late
one,
susan
goldsworthy
goldsworth
should
now
be
able
to
comment.
S
Okay,
semi
unmuted;
now!
Yes,
okay!
Sorry
about
that!
Yes,
if
you're
gonna
pass
2130,
I
think
the
form.
S
S
C
A
Okay,
it's
a
long
name.
I
want
to
start
by
saying
a
really
big
thank
you
to
mr
zodie
and
his
team.
A
A
A
In
this
way,
if
we
were
to
do
that,
okay-
well,
I
guess
I've
heard
you
know
about
enforcement.
A
And
trash
and
vehicles
in
in
neighborhoods
right
also,
I
think
mostly
complaint
driven.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
I
would
say
here
and
a
lot
of
folks
saying
this
is
not
the
way
to
go
about
it,
so
I
would.
A
A
A
C
O
Have
been
through
several
hand,
directors,
lisa
abbott
during
the
krzan
administration,.
O
O
Reached
out
to
the
landlords
and
to
renters,
but
he
has
reached
out
to
a
number
of
neighborhood.
O
You
know
housing
that
is
not
substandard.
Can
you
know
having
standards
that
it
goes
beyond.
O
O
O
Everyone's
safety
and
everyone's
comfort
in
in
neighborhoods,
when
over
occupancy,
does
indeed
pose.
O
O
O
Of
bloomington,
and
so
for
traditional
reasons,
and
also
what
we're
dealing
with
currently,
I.
O
Very
strongly
support
this
and
would
encourage
the
support
of
the
rest
of
council.
Thank
you.
C
P
Well,
I
think
that
customer
sandberg
put
it
very
well,
so
I
don't.
I
would
just
like
to
add
that.
P
One
that
protects
privacy-
I
don't
find
this
onerous.
I
I
think
it's
yes,
it's
another
form.
P
But
hands
brought
it.
This
forward
is
the
best
tool
to
assist
them
in
enforcement.
C
Council
member
smith
and
councilmember
flaherty,
thank
you,
president
sims.
I
will
be
supporting
this.
Y
Ordinance
as
well,
I
think
that
it
provides
the
education
it
provides.
Some
regularized.
Y
I
think
it's,
it
is
helpful
for
the
education
of
the
renter
and
the
landlord.
K
Think
there's
sort
of
narrowly
two
reasons
for
that
which
I
covered
in
the
questions.
First,.
K
K
That
alone,
the
fact
that
we
don't
know
the
actual
data
is
is
a
reason
enough
not
to.
K
Implement
a
quite
broad
policy
when,
when
we
know
the
problem
is
small,
we
don't
know
exactly.
K
How
how
small
and
second
I
I
you
know
with
no
disrespect
to
city
staff,
I
very
much
appreciate.
K
What's
wrong
with
our
current
set
of
tools
for
enforcing
valid
complaints
of
over
occupancy.
K
Of
the
relevant
you
know
per
the
relevant
udo
provision,
it
seems
like
it's
a
handful
of.
K
In
which
those
tools
fail
in
order
to
justify
what
really
is
a
you
know,
a
very
far-reaching.
K
Policy
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
it
impacts
and
the
sort
of
administrative
burden
on.
K
On
landlords,
but
also
the
impact
on
on
tenants,
so
I
think
those
two
reasons
for.
K
Me
just
as
narrowly
on
the
ordinance,
it
really
doesn't
make
sense
and
I
think.
K
K
55,
don't
have
to
abide
by
it;
it
discriminates
against
non-traditional
family
structures.
K
Has
a
strong
movement,
for
instance,
called
bedrooms
are
for
people
trying
to
change.
K
Their
limits
to
let
a
person
per
bedroom
live
in
a
in
a
house
and
I
think
that's
that's
not.
K
Unreasonable,
I
think
issues
that
are
presumed
to
come
with
young
people
living
together.
K
K
C
A
comment:
I
agree
with
council
member
flaherty
that
this
is
a
conversation
for
another
day.
C
Housing
situation,
some
other
equity
issues
and
just
some
of
the
ways
that
we
want
to
approach.
C
Things
here
with
the
city,
however,
tonight
I
will
be
supporting
this.
I
think
there
are
some.
C
Good
elements,
this
isn't
perfect.
I
expect
to
hear
from
the
director
of
hand
that
the
the.
C
C
That
it
will
most
affect.
I
do
expect
to
hear
that,
and
I
do
think
that,
as
we
move
forward
again.
C
C
For
the
city,
and
not
only
with
occupancy,
but
with
some
of
the
quality
of
living.
C
Understanding
the
great
majority
of
rental
units
that
we
have
and
what
we're
talking
about.
C
C
C
C
Their
comments,
many
of
those
folks,
I
know
respect
and
work
with
some
I
don't
know,
but.
Q
Thank
you,
president
sims.
I
did
raise
my
hand
before
you,
but
I
guess
no,
I'm
on
split.
Q
Q
Tonight
I
was
planning
to
vote
in
favor.
Q
But
upon
further
reflection
and
public
comments
it
I
I
just
don't
think
the
case
has
been
made.
Q
Q
I
understand
why
they
were
put
in
to
our
ordinance.
You
know
many
years
ago.
Q
Potentially,
take
away
a
more
affordable
way
for
for
young
people
or
any
people
of
any
age
to
live.
Q
Not
totally
family
so
anyway,
that's
as
councilmember
sims
said.
That's
a
con.
C
P
C
C
Council,
member
polarity,
yes
and
and
before
I
make
a
motion
just
a
quick
reminder
to.
K
All
that
being
past
10
30,
we
are
now
subject
to
a
two-thirds
vote
in
favor
of.
C
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
that
reminder,
and
this
being
our
last
meeting
of.
K
L
L
L
L
Oh,
your
committee
of
the
whole
recommendation:
let's
do
pass
700.
C
Z
Yes,
this
is
the
creation
of
the
fund
to
receive
the
arpa
funds
that
we
will
be
getting,
which
will.
Z
Amount
to
approximately
22
22.1
million
dollars
and
under
state
guidance
we.
Z
The
uses
were
read
in
the
synopsis.
I
don't
think
you
need
me
to
repeat
them
and
they're
in
your.
Z
Memo
it's
it's
generally,
responding
to
the
coronavirus
and
economic
situations
and.
Z
Z
This
would
be
set
up
in
the
controller's
office
and
we
are
also
required
to
come
up
with
a.
Z
Plan
for
use
of
the
funds
and
expenditures-
and
we
we
will
be
doing
that
along
with
council.
Z
I
don't
know
what
else
I
need
to
let
you
know
I'm
here
to
answer
questions
as
well,
and
there.
K
Sponsor
on
behalf
of
staff,
whenever
we're
ready,
if
ms
guthrie
was
finished
with
her.
K
Introductory
presentation
I'm
finished
there
you
go
and
sorry
also
just
a
point
of
clarification.
K
New
items
for
legislation
for
council
action,
not
the
final
vote.
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
move.
AA
Second,
thank
you
so
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
miss
guthrie
clarity,
I'm
guessing
you'll
hand
over.
AA
To
discussions
this
is,
this
is
a.
I
would
call
it
a
technical
amendment
in
drafting
the
ordinance.
Z
Z
More
of
exactly
what
we
needed
to
put
in
the
ordinance
and
in
doing
that-
and
I
was
reviewing.
Z
Z
AA
Okay,
thank
you,
miss
guthrie.
Let's
come
back
to.
AA
AA
C
C
Get
let
me
okay,
thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
council
comments
on
amendment
one.
C
Consider
ordnance
21-25
as
amended,
we
don't
have
any
further
amendments
that
are
missing.
C
I
It
does
not
appear
so
now.
Okay,
we
will
now
go
to
council
for
final
comments
on
21-25,
as
amended.
C
C
K
Still
need
to
read:
have
the
clerk
read
the
ordinance
and
and
then
move
to
a
motion
to.
K
L
Sorry,
I
forgot
too
ordinance
21
28
an
ordinance
to
amend
ordinance,
2023.
L
L
L
C
To
present
at
first
I'd
like
to
to
move
that
ordinance,
21-28
be
adopted
and
I'll
second.
AB
2023
and
I'll
just
hit
the
highlights,
because
the
clerk
has
done
a
really
lovely
job
of
going.
AB
Over
the
synopsis
for
us,
we
will
be
proposing
or
we're
proposing
to
change
the
grades
for.
AB
AB
Six
is
changing
to
a
grade
eight
due
to
the
positions
changing
duties,
which
has
increased.
AB
A
late
night,
the
title
is
also
changing
in
that
position
to
digital
brand
manager.
AB
And
finally,
there
are
two
cell
or
two
just
simple
title
changes
and
the
fire.
AB
They're
all
grade
five,
the
total
fiscal
impact
of
the
three
grade,
changes
that
I
mentioned.
AB
AB
AB
For
sponsoring
this
one,
but
I
mistakenly
typed
the
grade
change
in
the
office
of
the
mayor.
C
Thank
you
we'll
now
go
to
council
for
any
questions
from
this
show.
Okay,
patience
with
me.
I
Going
to
the
public
on
the
ordinance
as
amended.
I
know
shaw
mentioned
that
amendment.
I
I
The
council
will
need
to
to
actually
adopt
that
amendment
tonight.
So,
if
you'd
like
to,
if.
I
The
sponsor
would
like
to
move
that
amendment
before
going
to
the
public
on
the
ordinance.
AA
C
Thank
you,
and
I
will
only
comment
that
we
did
discuss
this
in
the
committee
meeting.
I.
C
Clear,
thank
you.
Okay,
do
we
have
any
questions
on
amendment
one.
L
C
C
C
C
C
K
L
C
AB
L
Yes,
councilmember
smith,.
L
C
For
this
section,
if
you
desire
to
speak,
please
indicate,
by
using
a
raised
hand,
functioning
zoom.
C
C
Okay
scene,
none
we'll
proceed
with
the
agenda,
and
now
we
have
matters
dealing
with.
C
Council
schedule,
if
any,
yes,
thank
you
just
a
brief
reminder.
President
sims
mentioned
this.
I
I
I
I
Items
at
the
moment
we're
still
over
a
month
away
from
that
cycle,
so
the
council
may
want
to
hold.
I
C
Their
goodwill
and
their
mutual
respect
for
each
other.
I
know
it
gets
a
bit
contentious
and.
C
C
C
For
your
time,
my
phone
will
be
on
even
though
I'll
be
off
I'll,
be
gone
next
week
on
vacation.