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From YouTube: Bloomington City Council, March 3, 2021 Part 2
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Okay,
so
I
don't
see
the
screen,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
ready
for
the
next
slide
framing
the
question.
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So
this
is
a
map
and
it's
zoomed
out
showing
the
area
where,
where
the
city
could
designate
a.
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And
to
answer
this
question,
it's
nice
to
look
at
the
indianapolis
point
in
time
counts.
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And
this
is
just
a
map
that
shows
their
point
in
time
count
I
went
into
what
that
is
last.
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Unconstitutionally
punishes
them
for
being
homeless,
so
the
statement
was
filed
in.
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A
federal
court
in
idaho
for
belle,
the
city
of
idaho,
it
was
brought
by
a
person
experiencing.
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Homelessness,
rare
brief
and
non-repeating.
We
met
with
this
group
and
they
told
us
that
they
have.
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A
And
we've
been
talking
to
folks
since
then
it
was
just
one
week
ago,
so
still
in
a
hustle
mode,
but.
A
We've
heard
from
lots
of
people
who
support
this
and
we've
heard
from
some
people
who
oppose.
A
That
has
to
be
available
in
order
to
close
a
camp,
so
a
camp
could
be
closed
if
there
are
enough.
A
That
part
to
say
a
space
could
be
designated
by
the
city
to
be
within
a
quarter
mile
of
a
bus.
Stop.
C
With
that,
I
know
that
we
had
staff
that
wanted
to
comment
as
well.
Is
that
still
the
case.
D
She
will
also
include
in
her
comments
those
comments
from
united
way
director.
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D
Say
that
these
remarks
are
not
a
repeat
of
our
comments
on
the
ordinance
last.
D
Week
so
we've
tried
to
address
some
of
those
comments
that
we
heard
in
our
meeting
last
week.
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E
Backslash
homelessness,
and
so
with
that
out
in
my
remarks
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
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D
Have
paula,
but
this
week
we're
asking
flippa
to
please
address
the
specifics
of
the
ordinance.
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I
realized
that
an
amendment
has
been
proposed
that
would
add
temporary
shelters.
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F
It
is
not
the
final
case
in
a
string
of
cases
that
were
brought
against
the
city
of
boise.
F
One
of
which
council
rosenberger
cited,
that
was
an
earlier
case
that
essentially
dropped.
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F
Are
we
okay
advocates
from
the
un
unhoused
here
in
bloomington
and
several
of
our
city
councilors.
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D
Think
we're
going
to
wrap
up
our
our
presentation
at
this
time
and
introduce
take
questions.
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
with
that.
I
just
a
comment
to
those
waiting
for
the
opportunity
to
do.
C
C
This
is
a
demanding
process
so
with
that,
let's
come
back
to
counsel
and
counsel
question.
G
G
To
raise
their
hands
that
that
would
actually
be
helpful.
You
can
always
hide
the
participant
bar.
B
Thank
you
well,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
apologize
for
my
indiscretion,
but
secondly,.
B
Various
members
of
the
community,
how
many
neighborhood
associations
did
you
speak
to.
B
H
Brought
this
up
at
my
constituent
meeting
and
there
was
you
know.
H
I
Thank
you,
I'm
wondering
if
the
sponsors
I
don't
isabelle
or
matt.
J
I
can
answer
if
you'd
like
sure
I
would
defer
to
the
experts,
probably
with
the
consume
of
care.
J
Board,
I
think,
there's
two
things
wrapped
up
in
your
question.
One
is
how
many
people
are
literally.
J
J
Distinct
situations
we're
talking
about
here-
the
first
is
the
one
I
just
described
where
people.
J
J
In
shelters
and
the
second
category
of
folks
would
be
people
who
are
unwilling
to
go
to
shelter.
J
For
various
reasons,
reasons
related
perhaps
to
past
trauma
or.
J
Issues
with
a
particular
shelter
and-
and
that's
that's
a
part
of
the
subject
of
this
ordinance
and.
J
J
A
lot
throughout
the
year,
honestly
again,
we
had
counts
from
street
outreach
workers
from
beacon.
J
As
well
as
upwards
of
maybe
60
or
65
in
the
whole
community,
at
that
time,
estimates
right
now
from.
J
Similar
folks
and
street
outreach
workers
are
maybe
20
to
30
sleeping
outside.
That's
in
part.
J
J
Will
probably
increase
so
it
fluctuates
a
lot,
but
I
hope
that
gives
a
ballpark.
I
Some
case
management
and
all
I
have
not
spoken
to
agencies
about
that
specifically.
J
J
J
J
Additional
land
they
own,
where
camping
for
folks
who
are
unable
or
unwilling
to
go
to.
J
Shelter
would
be
able
to
to
to
do
so,
but
again,
I
think
privately
owned
land
would
not.
J
I
And
brought
up
the
issue
of
people
camping
overnight
in
parks.
Did
the
agencies
have.
J
Yes,
housing
is,
of
course,
the
the
answer:
housing
housing
people
first
and
that's
that's
why.
J
That's
built
into
the
ordinance,
I
think
there
is
concern
actually
among
most
experts
who
work.
J
At
social
service
agencies
that
building
ever
more
shelter,
space
will
actually
be
have.
J
Potentially
an
adverse
effect
on
on
the
issue,
because
shelters
generally
are
not
solutions
to.
J
Homelessness,
they
they
they're
important
when
it's
unsafe
outside
for
the
people
who
who
are.
J
J
With
again
with
appropriate
services,
we
know
that
I
would
just
clarify
that
this
ordinance.
J
Isn't
about
solving
homelessness?
It's
about
not
making
it
illegal
anymore!
For
someone
who's
unable.
J
To
go
to
shelter
willing
to
go
to
shelter,
to
to
to
sleep
overnight
on
publicly
right
right,
and
I.
G
Okay,
I
would
let's
just
start
by
asking:
I
would
like
the
sponsors
to
please.
J
In
front
of
me
or
quickly,
accessible
I'll,
note
that
all
sheltering
agencies
and
and
and.
J
J
There's
kind
of
affiliate
organizations,
which
include
includes
various
types
of
advocates.
J
Like
new
leaf
new
life,
I
think
the
bloomington
housing
authority
is
is
perhaps
remember
that
the.
J
J
Health,
I
believe,
and
that
would
actually
be
a
sheltering
agency,
so
yeah
it's
it's
a
wide.
G
It
helps
what
was
the
continuing
of
care
board's
opinion
of
ordnance,
2106.
G
J
Issued
a
letter
in
support
of
I'm
sorry,
I'm
just
still
answering,
I
hope.
That's
okay
with
my.
J
Sponsors,
please
jump
in
if
you
want,
they
wrote
a
letter
in
support
of
the
ordinance
which.
J
Went
out
in
a
packet
addendum
yesterday,
I
I
don't
know
if
I
could
read
the
letter.
It's.
J
Sure
I
think
it's
short
enough
to
to
read
here.
It
is
sorry
pulling
it
up.
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A
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Follow-Up
question
is
to
either
ms
carmichael,
ms
guthrie
or
ms
calendar
anderson
or
ms.
G
Mcdevitt,
perhaps
I
don't
know,
while
you
may
not
agree
with
the
substance
of
their
statement,.
D
Beverly,
do
you
mind
taking
this
one
sure
I
mean
I
they
have
a
right
to
to
their
opinion.
E
E
Responsibilities
for
to
the
entire
community,
as
the
city
does,
and
so
as
the
as,
as
I
see
the.
E
City
staff
responsibility
we're
not
looking
out
for
one
demographic
or
one
population.
E
E
G
G
Involved
in
a
continuum
of
care
that
you
know
of
that
have
opposed
the
legislation.
I
have
not.
E
C
That
concludes
your
questions
for
this
round.
Yes,
it
does.
Thank
you,
council,
member
sandberg
and.
C
Then,
council,
member,
thank
you
my
initial
question.
Before
we
saw
you
know
some
of
the
amendments.
K
K
Radius
between
the
various
helping
agencies
or
now
bus
stops,
but
rather
than
ask
that
question.
D
Susan
sandberg's
question,
but
susan
just
so
you
know,
if
you
have
a
next
round
of
questions.
D
D
K
Know
if
you
can
get
closer
to
your
speaker
how's
this
is
that
better,
okay,
I'll
get.
L
I'll
I'll
do
this
and
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen.
Oh
there,
you
go
much
better
much
better.
C
I
can
yes,
okay,
very
good.
Thank
you.
I
had
some
last
minute
technical
difficulties
this
evening,
so.
L
And
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
to
answer
the
council
members
question
tonight.
L
L
L
L
L
So,
first
of
all,
looking
at
site
preparation
in
this
illustration,
taking
a
120
by
120
square
foot,.
J
Just
just
a
point
of
order,
I'm
sorry!
This
is
constant
over
flaherty,
I'm
not
sure.
J
I
guess
it's
up
to
the
to
the
chair,
madam
vice
president.
This
this
feels
like
presentation.
J
Not
more
so
than
answering
a
question,
I
I
appreciate
the
work
that's
gone
into
it.
I'm.
J
Okay
hearing
it,
I
just
want
to
clarify
about
future
screen,
sharing
and
and
sort
of
presenting.
L
L
L
A
site
we
would
be
supplying,
you
could
supply
totes
for
storage
of
personal
items.
L
And
then
on
the
day-to-day
management
paint
for
marking
the
sites.
L
This
illustration
shows
costs
of
to
set
up
a
site
of
three
thousand
three
hundred.
L
And,
of
course,
4
600
for
the
cost
of
totes.
We
also
in
this
illustration
would
need
to.
L
Contract
or
partner
with
specialized
staffing,
as
it
would
fall
out
of
the
expertise
of
the
parks.
K
Round
of
questions,
I
do
want
to
speak
with
adam
wayson.
Thank
you.
B
To
talk
about
councilman
flaherty,
I
had
a
question.
I
was
told
by
several
people
that.
B
At
an
elm
heights
meeting,
you
referred
to
this
process
this
ordinance
as
sort
of
a
as
I
recall,.
B
Is
this
something
that
you
regard
as
a
chess
game?
I'm
I'm
a
bit
I'm
getting.
B
A
bit
cynical
tonight
about
the
aim
of
this
ordinance
because
it's
so
ambiguous.
B
And
what
is
the
end
game
that
you
have
in
mind
for
your
chess
game
with
the
administration.
J
Be
clear,
I
don't
think
so.
If
I
did
I
misspoke
and
mischaracterized
that
certainly
there
are.
J
Compromise
of
sorts
is
a
political
choice.
How
and
when
to
bring
an
ordinance
to
is
a
political.
J
Choice,
you
know
it's
been
suggested
that
we
did
not
approach
this
in
the
right
way,
but
frankly,.
J
J
Until
we
actually
started
to
look
at
this
issue,
so
I
I
really
don't
think
I
said
those
words
I.
J
J
J
I
just
described,
which
is
respecting
the
the
basic
rights
and
dignity
of
our
unhoused
neighbors.
J
B
Really
not
not
clear,
it's
a
very
ambiguous
ordinance.
We
don't
know
what
the
what
the.
B
To
work
out
a
conversation
in
the
worst
possible
means
that
is,
as
a
as
a
very
very
controversial.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
Asking
because
council,
I
don't
have
a
gavel.
So
please
pretend
for
the
moment
that
I
do
all.
C
Right,
mr
rallo,
I
appreciate
your
question.
Mr
flaherty,
did
you
want
to
comment
on
that.
J
J
J
C
J
I
was
cut
off
there
at
the
end.
Okay,
is
that
and
then,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
store.
J
J
J
B
J
C
J
J
Statement
from
I
believe
it
was
from
tina
fefferman,
I'm
sorry
tina,
peterson
and
ephrath.
J
Peppermint
of
the
community
foundation
in
united
way
respectively.
I,
unless
I
missed
it.
J
J
Again
the
central
question:
where
can
someone
legally
sleep
if
they
have
nowhere
else
to
go.
J
As
I
mentioned,
and
as
as
councilmember
rosenberger
mentioned,
we've
spoken
with
tina
and.
J
J
J
E
Group
and
what
the
working
group
does,
they
did
not
speak
specifically
to
camping
in
the
park.
C
Or
may
I
jump
in
okay
a
couple
specific
questions.
I
have.
C
H
Go
ahead,
yes,
I
think
the
first
is
acknowledging
and
recognizing
that
the
community.
J
And
and
his
designees,
including
the
chief
of
police,
to
identify
what
constitutes
a.
J
Emergency
of
some
kind
that
that
may
not
be
declared
by
the
the
monroe
county
health.
J
Department
and
simply
clarifies
that
I'm
trying
to
pull
up
the
the
ordinance
in
front
of
me
at
the.
J
Same
time,
we're
talking
here
but
clarifies
that
they
also
are
able
to
declare
an
emergency.
J
Repair
boards,
so
it's
just
kind
of
specifying
the
processes
by
which
that
must
be
communicated.
J
In
in
recent
weeks
about
or
maybe
just
over
time,
I've
heard
this
from
him
and
maybe.
J
C
Thank
you
that's
helpful.
My
second
question,
if
I
may,
in
the
section
that
talks
about
notice.
C
To
those
in
parts
15
days
notice
and
then
48
hours
notice,
if
the
encampment
isn't
cleared.
A
A
Two
days
for
that
additional
notice,
I
know
we
have
talked
with
you
about.
Maybe
you
thinking.
A
Board
with
making
changes
to
those
notice
periods
via
an
amendment,
if,
if
you
want
to
do
that,.
C
Thank
you
other
council
member
piedmont.
Yes,
I
had
a
question
for
the
administration
and.
H
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
with
us
late
tonight.
What
will
the
city
do
when
the
winter.
D
D
D
E
Very
close
communication
with
the
shelter
folks,
and
especially
during
this.
E
Pandemic
wise,
it
doesn't
mean
that
they
have
to,
but
we're
all
like.
I
said
we're
also
in
close.
E
Communication,
which
is
how
we,
you
know,
became
aware
of
the
communication
with
women
needing.
E
Sheltering
and
warming
centers
needing
to
be
set
up,
and
so
because
of
that
closer
communication.
E
If
there
is
a
need
for
us
to
expand
the
grants,
we
can
work
on
or
expand
the
shelters.
We
can
work.
E
H
So
but
we
did
provide
funding
for
the
winter
shelter
we
do
provide.
We
do
provide
funding.
E
H
I
I
was
getting
to
my
question
related
to
that
so
when
that.
H
For
people
to
legally
be
sleeping
in
in
the
city,
you
know
isabel.
I
I
appreciate
that
question.
D
D
As
you
pointed
out,
we
were
not
asked
to
fund
the
shelter
this
winter.
We
wouldn't
have.
D
Ruled
that
out,
certainly
but
again,
we
we
don't
just
throw
money
at
things
that
we
aren't
asked.
D
To
participate
in
so
I
think
that
this
is
another
opportunity
for
a
community
conversation.
D
And,
and
I
will
say
that
much
of
what
we
have
done
before
and
and
the
the
women's
shelter.
E
And
the
trustees,
and
so
yeah
we'll
be
looking
at
community
partners
if
it
becomes
necessary.
H
Wonder
if
the
the
city
has
an
internal
policy
or
something
about
allowing
that
or
or.
D
H
I
have
another
question,
but
I'll
wait:
okay,
that's
almost
everybody
for
round
one
questions.
A
It's
about
the
camping
for
ms
mcdevitt,
about
the
camping
powerpoint.
A
I
think
it
was
some
like
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
write
it
down,
but
the
the
folks
needed
so
like.
A
A
D
D
Not
only
encamped
there,
but
also
the
the
surrounding
people
to
make
sure
that.
D
There
are
appropriate
services
available
to
the
folks
who
are
staying
there.
So
I
but.
D
I
would
love
for
paula
to
comment
on
this
as
well.
Please
you
thank
you
for
the
question.
L
And
what
that
program
showed
us
is
that
people
are
indeed
are
in
need
of
services.
That.
A
C
Okay,
let's
do
council
member
bowling
council
member
sandberg
and
then
rolla.
G
Mcdevitt,
if
she
could
bring
that
slide
back
up,
but
I
also
have
to
ask
it
is
quarter
to
11
and.
G
G
Conclusion,
can
we
not
at
least
take
the
time
to
have
the
full
discussion
without
going
into.
G
Two
o'clock
in
the
morning,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
people
to
think
about
it,
rhetorically,
but
I'm.
L
Number
well
so,
just
to
reiterate
it's
523
thousand
dollars
an
annual
cost,
primarily.
G
G
Health
counselor,
if
not
two,
which
sounds
great,
but
I
guess
the
first
question
I'd
ask-
is.
G
L
L
L
G
I
didn't
know
that
we
had
an
obligation
to
also,
if
we're,
if
we're
going,
to
allow
the
camp
to
also.
G
Have
social
workers
and
a
mental
health
counselor
hired
by
the
city
to
manage
that
camp
wouldn't.
G
And
site
management
you
know
and
bathrooms
to
reduce.
Well,
that's
that's
a
question
I'll.
G
Follow
up
with,
but
you
see
what
I
mean
like:
why
would
you
need
the
partnership
contracted
staffing.
D
D
Being
held
liable
and
responsible
for
any
damages
or
unfortunate
turns
of
events,
we
feel.
D
F
G
Do
the
same
thing
at
do
we
have
this
kind
of
staffing
at
bloomington,
public
housing?
Do
we
have.
D
G
So
the
other
question
is
site
and
site
management.
This
may
go
back
to
ms
mcdevitt.
G
I
I
I
wish
I
could
see
that
I
only
took
a
picture
of
the
last
slide,
so
I
don't.
I.
G
You
say
for
this
is
site
management
20
000
plus.
Can
you
break
that
down
a
little
bit
for
us
again.
L
Fencing
around
the
area,
in
addition,
we
would
like
we
would
propose
installing
a
light
pole.
L
At
a
site
that
has
already
has
restrooms,
but
in
addition
to
that,
the
more
people
you
have
in
a.
L
Site
there
is
a
ratio
camp
standard
ratio
that
would
would
dictate
that
we
would
also
need
to.
L
Have
two
accessible
portapots,
so
that's
a
monthly
charge
and
daily
cleaning.
In
addition
to.
L
Having
a
dumpster
on
site,
just
in
addition
to
our
trash
cans
and
the
rental
for
that,
so
the.
L
Goes
to
the
supplies
that
are
needed
to
run
a
site
like
this,
the
ppes
staffing,
if
we
needed.
L
L
L
L
We
would
require
site
maintenance
staff
42
hours
a
week
so
that
monthly
cost
is.
L
G
C
K
P
You
know
the
public
works
department
owns
property
throughout
the
city,
owns.
P
Would
be
able
to
even
be
within
this
area
the
only
one
is
on
west
3rd
street
there's
a
small.
P
To
share
my
screen:
that's
yeah,
but
this
is
this
would
be
just
to
the
parcel
east
of.
P
What
where's
culver's
right
now!
So
sorry,
I
can't
get
my
screen
shared
right
at
the
moment.
K
Do
you
say
there
are
commercial
properties,
next
door
and
also
the
restaurant
culvers
yeah?
It's.
K
K
In
any
way,
at
all
possible,
it's
80
it's
well
over
80
wooded
with
trees
and
four
station.
K
Be
you
know
remotely
appropriate?
What
would
public
works
responsibility
be
with.
P
Years,
clearing
with
park
staff-
and
you
know
getting
the
trash
bins
and
everything
else
and.
P
P
Get
the
park
in
the
morning
and
hit
each
of
the
trash
cans
it
turned
into
where
we
were
going.
P
To
three
four
times
a
day,
and
you
know
assisting
and
and
removing
trash
as
as
best
we
could
and.
K
K
Parks-
and
that
puts
it
back
on
paula
and
her
staff
and
the
cost
that
she
has
calculated.
C
Count,
I
saw
council
member
smith
first
and
then
rallo
and
then
volun
did.
I
see
your
hand.
Okay,
oh.
C
I
Oh
I'll
ask
since
isabelle's
name
was
mentioned:
isabelle,
sorry,
miss
piedmont,
smith,.
H
So,
council,
members,
flaherty
and
rosenberger
would
be
a
better
position
to
answer.
Okay.
I
Whether
they
would
be
willing
to
manage
the
site,
no,
I
think
this
portion
portion
g
so
earlier.
I.
J
Want
to
correct
something
briefly,
mrs
mcdevitt
said
you
know
that
the
ordinance
directs
the.
J
The
city
to
designate
an
area
where
people
would
be
allowed
to
sleep,
which
I'll
note
is,
is
not.
J
Quite
accurate
it
it
provides
for
for
that
as
a
possibility.
J
For
people,
the
origins
of
the
ordinance
have
to
do
with
with
acknowledging
that
that
there.
J
Worked
with
in
developing
this
continuum
of
care
board
with
the
homeless
coalition,
others.
J
That
there
there
are
sorry
I
lost
my
sentence
there
a
little
bit,
but
that
basically
we
we.
J
Feel
that
they're,
that
we
should
not
be
making
it
illegal
and
considering
the
threat
of
arrest.
J
That
gives
the
city
the
option
to
designate
areas
is
something
that
would
probably
have
to
be
a
a.
J
Little
bit
longer
ongoing
conversation
with
service
providers.
I
think
that's
entirely
a
valid.
J
J
You
know:
we've
had
a
low
barrier,
shelter
open.
You
know
recently
that
the
city
has
not
managed.
J
To
the
sponsor's
memo
on
this
subject,
I
we
kind
of
tried
to
frame
this
as
two.
J
Space
to
stay
when
you're,
unhoused
and
and
there's
kind
of
the
approach
of
designating.
J
An
area
and
there's
definitely
cities
all
around
the
country
that
do
that.
But
another
approach.
J
Is
basically
just
to
say
we
acknowledge
this
is
already
happening.
We
know
it's
happening
and.
I
Did
you
or
the
other
sponsors
ever
discuss
the
idea
of
finding
a
private.
I
Piece
of
land
that
an
individual
who
lives
in
the
area
might
allow
camping
on.
I
Or
that
would
perhaps
donate
to
allow
this
camping
to
happen
on.
I
think
these
are
good.
J
Ordinance
as
drafted,
because
if
if
the
public
owns
it,
you
know
they
could
designate
that
space.
J
The
designation
of
a
of
a
an
outdoor
shelter
functionally
and
I'm
not
sure,
especially.
J
Role
in
relation
to
this
societal
challenge
as
sd
providers,
so
we've
talked
about
this.
J
J
Do
so
we
we
occupy
sort
of
a
fundamentally
different
role
as
the
last
resort
option
for
folks.
J
Manages,
let's
say
a
sheltering
agency
manages
that
might
help
and
just
because
some
people,
maybe.
J
Don't
feel
safe
indoors
or
don't
you
know,
aren't
okay
with
with
the
congregate
setting.
J
But
I'm
not
sure
it
would
entirely
avoid
the
same
situation.
We
have
where
people
might
get.
J
Kicked
out
and
be
prohibited
for
a
period
of
time
and
that
sort
of
thing,
so
I
think
there
are.
J
More
about
saying
that,
if
you've
got
nowhere
else
to
go,
it's
not
illegal
for
you
to
sleep.
C
H
Yes,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
ask
them
the
staff
members
from
the
mayor's
administration.
F
Is
judicious
enforcement?
You
heard
mike
decoff
talk
about
that
last
week.
F
Because
they're,
you
know
that's
what
shelters
are
for
you're
talking
about
the
smaller.
F
Subset
of
this
population
who
either
can't
stay
in
a
shelter
or
won't
stay
in
a
shelter.
F
Conversation,
I
it's
hard
for
the
city
to
come
up
with
a
solution
on
its
own.
D
D
D
H
D
D
D
D
By
the
trespass
ordinances
in
the
parks
and
when
the
parks
are
closed,
the
parks
are
closed.
F
City,
there
are
levels
of
government
and
different
governmental
entities.
The
city
is
within
the.
F
C
Thank
you
before
we
go
to
council
member
volun,
mr
parliamentarian,
if
I
may
I'd
like.
C
To
ask
you
to
take
the
gavel
temporarily
from
the
step
way.
I
actually
think
mr.
J
B
Appropriate,
I
have
a
question
for
chief
decoff
fees
available
and
there
are
two
questions
I
have.
B
One
is
related
to
the
current
number
of
calls
that
the
bloomington
police
have
associated
with.
B
Shelters
or
parks
where
homeless
people
are
located.
That's
number
one
in
terms
of.
B
Eight
more
parks
in
the
city
and
what
are
the
nature
of
those
calls.
B
B
How
mr
jt
was
approached
in
terms
of
welfare
checks?
I
wonder
if
you
could
address.
B
Q
Overdose
type
calls,
and
so
it's
and
it's
it's
sometimes
multiple
calls
a
day.
Q
To
to
those
places
to
deal
with
people
who
are
involved,
usually
in
fights
and
so.
Q
With
regards
to
mr
vanderburgh,
that
is
a
it's.
It's
a
tragic
incident
that
happened.
Q
It
our
our
officers
are
quite
familiar
with
him.
We
have
been.
Q
Q
Of
making
the
situation
worse
with
him
once
they
got
the
response,
they
moved
on.
He
frequently.
Q
You
know,
I
think
you
can
probably
talk
to
other
shelter
providers
and
people
who
have
worked.
Q
With
him,
that
would
probably
say
the
same
thing
about
how
he
wanted
to
be
left
alone.
So
it's.
B
Been
maintained,
chief
decoff
that
you
took
away
his
shelter
he
took
away
his
tent
is
that
is
it.
B
Accurate,
no,
he
when
he
was
at
seminary
park,
he
did
not
have
a
tent.
My
my
officers,
my
dro,
said
the.
C
As
we
possibly
can,
if
we
could
focus
on
this
ordinance,
that
would
be
helpful.
C
Where
did
we
leave
off
council
member
volun
yeah?
I
have
a
a
brief
question
with
respect
to
the.
G
Non-Park
public
land
on
west
third
street
there's
another
public
property
that
the
city.
G
With
letting
a
temporary
camp
be
set
up
in
roseville
cemetery.
D
G
G
Really
using
it
yes,
so
a
few
of
those
people
do
require
restrooms.
I
know
that'll
be
a
shortage,
but.
D
L
We
also
feel
complaints
from
time
to
time
of
people
walking
dogs
off
leash
through
there.
L
And
not
being
respectful
of
that
site,
so
I
would
not
suggest
that
as
a
solution.
G
I
don't
hear
the
same
talk
about
respect.
You
know
for
the
the
the
the
two
sweeps
were.
G
D
D
D
J
Just
a
point
of
order
that
I
would
leave
it
up
to
the
chair,
but
I'll
note
that
there.
J
Are
at
least
two
amendments
to
be
introduced
tonight,
most
typically,
we
consider
amendments.
J
J
J
Again
to
the
chair,
getting
to
my
question,
I
guess
it's
for
both
chief
decoff
and.
J
Mr
wayson,
you
were
both
asked
a
couple
of
questions
about
costs
associated
with.
J
J
J
That
these
costs
will
increase
somehow
or
change
or
that
they're
they're
a
result
of
this.
J
Q
D
Matt,
you
would
be
adding
six
hours
of
time
spent
in
the
park
right
now.
You
know
it's
closed.
D
L
And
I
would
just
like
to
jump
in
here
as
far
as
parks,
the
cost
that
I
shared
in
previous.
L
Have
come
up
in
since,
since
january
are
over
and
above
what
we
had
planned
for
2021.
J
Can
can
anyone
speculate
so
so
again?
These
are
costs
incurred
related
to.
J
People
experiencing
homelessness
that
are
not
currently
allowed
to
sleep.
You
know
legally.
J
To
sleep
overnight
in
the
park,
could
anyone
clarify
what
what
they
think
has
happened.
J
Or
they're
cleared
from
some
place,
they
are
and
they
go
to
elsewhere
in
the
community.
In
the
woods.
J
Are
those
costs
deferred
to
the
future
for
cleanup,
because
we're
not
dealing
with
the
problem.
J
Or
the
issue
where
they
are
now
I
mean
it's
it's
I
appreciate
chief
diego's
sentiment.
J
That
calls
have
gone
down
in
seminary
park
but,
as
we
know,
clearing
seminary
didn't
didn't,
reduce.
J
D
J
C
Okay
with
that
to
members
of
the
public
who
are
with
us,
thank
you.
C
C
And
will
let
us
know
where
we
stand
if
there
is
more
than
one
individual
on
your
particular.
C
Line
on
your
particular
phone
or
or
computer,
please
let
us
know
that
as
well.
So
mr
lucas.
R
I
think
dropped
off
and
counted
new
folks.
I
would,
I
would
guess,
around
25
to
30.
C
C
All
possible
is
there
a
suggestion
that
the
council
would
like
to
make
in
terms
of.
C
C
Forward
with
three
minutes,
mr
vollen,
could
I
trouble
you
again
to
be
our
timer.
J
I'm
also
willing
to
do
it
as
a
parliamentarian.
Just
I'd
appreciate.
S
Hi,
my
name
is
mark
tuller,
I'm
a
board
member
of
the
homeless
coalition.
I've
got
a
lot
to.
S
Say-
and
I
don't
have
enough
time
to
say
it
so
I'm
just
gonna
nitpick
everything,
I've
written
down.
S
It's
kind
of
embarrassing
what
happened
today
with
one
of
your
council
members
moving
on.
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
C
R
T
T
T
T
T
T
T
T
J
President,
just
as
a
brief
point
of
order,
I'll
clarify
for
members
of
the
public
that
I'm
as.
J
I'm
timing
comments
here,
I'll,
give
a
15
second
warning
and
then
let
you
know
when
your
time
is
up.
C
U
Hello,
I'm
heather
lake,
I'm
on
the
board
for
the
bloomington
housing
authority
and.
U
I
I
have
to
say
this
evening
has
been
really
disheartening.
I
I
have
felt
like
people
have.
U
Been
spending
time
inviting,
instead
of
really
trying
to
come
to
terms
with
some
of
these
things,.
U
And
there
is
not
enough
housing
here
there
just
isn't.
So
when
you
say
you
know
things
like.
U
There's
there's
plenty
of
space
so
or
something
like
that.
I
will
let
you
know
that.
U
So
I
feel
like
you
are
on
on
one
hand,
trying
to
come
up
with
ideas
for
this,
but
but
you're
just.
U
Out
the
window,
shelter
is
going
to
close
in
april
and
and
these
people
need
to
sleep.
U
Sleeping
is
a
human
need,
and
so
I
believe
they
really
should
have
somewhere.
U
Of
course
that's
legal
to
sleep
and
and
and
not
be
told
that
they're
going
to
have.
U
U
I
just
feel
like
you
should
have.
If
you
want
to
work
on
this,
you
should
have
put
it
to
committee.
U
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
C
R
W
Sorry,
I
think
this
is
a
challenging
issue,
of
course,
for
a
lot
of
people
with
a
lot
of
different.
W
I
think,
and
so
I
recognize
that
I
did
have
a
talk
with
aaron
predmore
from
the
chamber
of.
W
Am
certainly
disappointed
that
this
didn't
go
to
committee
because
I
think
if
we
could
figure.
W
Eliminate
this
conversation
from
the
from
the
queue
here
I
will
say-
and
I
do
want
to
say
this-.
W
On
on
the
the
law
was
pretty
accurate,
I
do
think
that
we
as
a
community
are
not
taking.
W
W
W
So
that
creates
different
rules
and
different
different
laws
locally.
But
that
doesn't
mean
that.
W
W
W
Very
worried
that
the
fact
that
we're
dismissing
this
ordinance
so
quickly
suggests
to
me
that.
W
We
don't
we're
not
taking
that
legal
human
right
seriously,
which
is
the
right
to
sleep.
W
Safely
and
without
threat
of
arrest
and
or
citation
so
so
again
I
again
I.
W
You
know,
I
hope
I
hope,
of
course,
that
you
passed
this
ordinance.
It
doesn't
look
likely.
W
At
this
point
it
looks
like
we're
going
to
a
4-4
decision,
but
I,
but
I
do
think
it's
very.
W
W
W
W
Doesn't
mean
I'm
saying
you
shouldn't
prohibit,
that's
your
time,
reverend
gilmore!
Thank
you.
W
C
X
And
yeah,
I
I
I
would
also
if,
if
it
can
be
something
that
what
you'll
call
it
can
be.
X
It's
better
than
the
nada,
so
I
don't
know
I
mean
at
least
like
I
do
not
understand
why
this.
X
Is
like
just
being
completely
squashed,
it
should
have
gotten
to
committee,
and
I
mean.
X
X
X
And
I
know
that
you
know
I
kind
of
have
a
way
with
words,
but
so
does
dave
off
mike.
So
I
I
feel.
X
Like
there's
a
bit
of
a
double
standard,
as
far
and
and
and
and
there's
also
just
a
lot
of.
X
X
Got
rejected
and
one
of
the
reasons
was:
oh,
it's
divisive.
Therefore,
the
ordinance
is
therefore.
X
Hominem
attack,
don't
do
that
if
you
expect
to
be,
you
know
taken
seriously
on
on
the
merits.
X
And,
and
also
stop,
you
know,
let's
count
this,
let's
think
about
what
the
actual
effects.
X
X
X
Ordinance
such
as
spending
a
lot
of
money
on
enforcing
which
chief
decought
even
mentioned
and.
X
X
The
parks
and
we're
not
even
accounting
what
expenses
don't
aren't
pertaining
to.
X
The
parks
people
will
end
up
hospitalized
and
dead,
as
jt
footage
reveals
that
that
that
there's.
X
C
And
you'll
have
three
minutes
for
the
record
elizabeth
elliott.
Y
Good
evening,
I'm
a
constituent
and
I
live
in
district
four.
I
wanted
to
be
a
voice
for
the.
Y
Y
C
Three
minutes:
hello,
council.
I
wanted
to
call
attention
to
an
exchange
that
happened
earlier.
Z
Z
City
of
boise,
I
wanted
to
read
re-quote
something
philippa
guthrie
quoted
earlier
in
it
on
the.
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
R
C
AA
From
several
of
the
council
members,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
grown
men.
AA
AA
That
you
do
want
to
do
something,
so
thank
you
for
that.
I
appreciated
you
saying
that.
AA
AA
AA
AA
By
an
oncoming
car
and
killed
instantly
on
her
headstone
in
rose
hill
cemetery.
Excuse
me:
I'm.
AA
AA
M
M
None
of
you
guys
care
about
the
homeless
is
what
I
saw.
You
know
it's
all
smoke
and
mirrors.
M
Homelessness
ended
tomorrow.
Can
you
think
of
all
the
people
without
jobs.
M
And
you
know
I
heard
someone
say
you
know
a
lady,
a.
M
M
But
when
they
fail,
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
sound
so
mean
and
awful.
I
really
don't.
M
M
C
Mr
schwartz
welcome.
You
have
three
minutes,
please
go
ahead,
thank
you
and
I
just
like
to.
AB
Start
off
by
saying,
council
members,
flaherty,
piedmont,
smith,
volin
and
rosenberger.
Thank
you.
AB
So
much
for
your
support
tonight,
councilman
escaped
you
larry.
I
hope
that
you
vote
yes
on.
AB
AB
AB
AB
J
Of
the
issue
at
hand,
if
possible
and
avoid
personal
accusations
absolutely
to
calm
myself.
AB
AB
Sandberg
councilmember
rolo
councilmember
smith.
Until
you
come
up
with
something
better.
J
Three
minutes:
please:
everyone
refrain
as
much
as
possible
from
using
any
swear
words
or.
J
Personally,
attacking
members
of
the
council,
I
know
it's
a.
He
did
an
emotional
issue,
but.
J
Please
do
your
best
to
keep
your
comments
civil
and
to
the
the
matter
at
hand.
Thank
you.
C
AC
AC
AC
AC
Point
because
there's
been
a
failure
of
the
city
to
act
until
now
and
something
has
to
be
done.
AC
AC
AC
AC
AC
You
that
you
literally
hold
people's
lives
in
your
hand
and,
of
course,
there's
lots
of
points
to
be.
AC
AC
So
yeah,
I
would
just
really
encourage
you
to
think
about
that
think
about
what
you
want.
This.
AC
City
to
stand
for
when
it
comes
down
to
it,
I'd
like
to
see
a
stand
for
human
rights
and
sandwich.
AC
C
AD
Received
the
answer
to
that
question
that
there
there
is
nowhere
if
somebody
isn't.
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
J
R
Next
up
we
have
the
screen
name,
nm
brochi
at
iu.edu,
and
they
should
now
be
able
to
unmute.
AE
AE
For
your
time,
I
would
just
like
to
start
off
saying
that
council
members
who
are
trying
to.
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
R
AG
Also,
martin
law
is
on
the
call
here
from
black
lives
matter,
so
he's
going
to
talk
later
on
his.
AG
AG
These
issues,
and
so
when
you're
hearing
from
me,
you're
also
hearing
from
other
black
community.
AG
Experts
who
have
fed
into
this
ordinance
who
have
been
helping
design
this
ordinance
or.
AG
Who
approve
of
this
ordinance,
that
is
in
and
of
itself
a
classus
and
racist
ideology
of
who.
AG
AG
This
ordinance
have
told
you
repeatedly
that
people
who
are
working
in
the
care
industries
here.
AG
AG
AG
AG
This
idea
that
this
is
divisive,
it
is
that
this
community
is
divided
in
lots
of
ways.
AG
AG
And
people
who
continue
to
support
racist
ideology,
I
also
want
to
express
my
extreme.
AG
And
absolute
disgust
for
dave
rallo's
earlier
behavior,
because
it
feeds
into
the
problem.
AG
AG
To
this
extreme
measure,
and
so
instead
of
being
rational
about
these
issues,
like
you
constantly.
AG
Ask
us
to
be
like
black
people
are
always
supposed
to
be.
You
take
this
personal
and
you
go
off
and.
AG
You
get
caught
on
a
hot
mic,
dave
and
so
15
seconds
to
speak.
This
this
issue
here
is
is:
is.
J
C
Ms
kepler,
please
go
ahead,
hello.
My
name
is
gene
kepler.
I
am
a
social
worker
here
in
bloomington.
AH
AH
The
board
we,
the
board
of
beacon
inc,
urge
you
to
approve
ordinance
2106.
As
you
know,
we
provide.
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
R
Next
up,
I
believe
we
have,
we
see
a
mojorad
who
should
be
able
to
unmute.
AI
Constituent
of
actually
your
constituent
council
university
in
district
two.
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
Wrong,
but
I
really
don't
think
we
are,
and
my
final
comment
tonight
is
I'm
looking
at
an
all-white.
AI
AI
Because
of
a
family
emergency
very
understandable,
but
when
cindy
city
council
was
per.
AI
Provide
an
opportunity
to
be
inclusive
of
him
and
the
future
because
of
a
committee
meeting.
They.
AI
N
Everyone
for
staying
up
so
late.
I
wanted
to
do
a
quick
number
check.
N
N
20
tenths
that
they've
put
up
to
sort
of
weather
the
winter
which
again
we
could
talk.
N
About
weather
and
the
fact
that
they're
saying
that
the
hope
rescue
mission,
united
way
staff.
N
That
staffed
the
camp
247
that
it
cost
15
000
a
month.
So
not
the
numbers
that
were
being
provided.
N
By
the
park,
I
saw
a
similar
discrepancy
last
meeting
when
we
were
talking
about
weatherizing.
N
N
Responding
to
calls
in
seminary
park,
it
seems
like
we
could
really
funnel
that
money
much
more.
N
N
N
N
N
Views
and
everything
is
done
internally
through
their
own
sort
of
set
up
of
a.
N
Governance
for
the
for
the
village-
and
there
are
things
from
wigwams
to
tp's,
to
shacks
to.
N
Tents,
but
it's
a
really
amazing
model
and-
and
I
think
it's
something
that
maybe
you
know.
N
That
this
could
be
a
stop
gap.
Until
you
know,
20
106
could
go
into
effect.
N
And
then
we
could
use
the
hospital
to
sort
of
revamp
it
and
we
would
have
tons
of
space
for.
C
O
O
Amendment
of
our
households,
community's
eighth
amendment-
this
ordinance
in
no
way
is
meant.
O
Okay,
this
ordinance
allows
for
dispersed,
camping
that
isn't
even
disperse
multiple
camping
sites.
O
O
O
Whatever,
if
we
have
at
multiple
identified
locations,
existing
social
service
agencies
could.
O
O
An
emergency
shelter
option:
this
is
a
community
solution.
We
are
simply
asking
for
a
place
to
be.
O
Necessary
right
so
wheeler
should
not
be
considered
next
page.
Sorry,
I'm
reading
my
notes.