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From YouTube: Bloomington City Council, September 30, 2020, Part 1
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meeting agenda: https://bloomington.in.gov/onboard/meetingFiles/download?meetingFile_id=7658
A
This
meeting
will
come
to
order.
This
is
a
special
session
of
the
bloomington.
A
This
is
a
special
session,
so
there
are
no
reports
tonight
we're
going
to
go
straight
into
legislation
for
first.
B
A
G
B
D
A
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
well.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
role.
H
And
haven't
yet
applied,
you
have
a
couple
more
days
to
do
so.
A
Very
good,
thank
you
for
the
update,
mr
lucas.
With
that
I'll
entertain
a.
I
Thank
you
very
much
welcome
everyone.
It
remains.
I
The
city
council
just
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
a.
I
On
the
committee
of
the
whole
agenda
that
will
allow
us
to
look.
I
That
focus
on
2021,
so
we
will
begin
with
2020
and.
J
Dog
just
visited
so
bear
with
me
a
moment
good
evening,
council
members.
This
first
ordinance
is
an
amendment
to.
J
Flat
salaries
listed
with
salary
ranges
which
allows
for
police
and
fire.
J
Officials
who
are
not,
who
are
not
covered
by
the
collective.
J
I
I
Council
member
flaherty:
yes
thanks
good
question
actually
from
a
shaw.
K
For
the
city
to
raise
the
fire,
deputy
chief
and
fire
battalion,
chief's
salaries
to
correct
pay,
pay
inequity.
K
You
noted
that
the
city
came
to
the
conclusion
that
those
positions
were
underpaid.
Could
you
speak
just
a
little
bit
in
just
a
little
bit
more
detail
to
the
process
of.
K
Of
identifying
that
inequity
and
and
who
we
were
comparing
ourselves.
J
J
K
I
Thank
you
that
went
fast.
Madam
clerk,
will
you
please
call
the.
I
B
I
Thank
you,
everyone.
May
I
just
yes,
please
make
a
comment.
I
Therefore,
it's
not
in
my
head
so
that
ordinance
again
just
to.
I
Remaining
six
ordinances:
we
look
at
tonight
focused
on
calendar
year
2021..
I
believe
the
mayor
wanted
to
offer
some.
I
Remarks
as
well,
mr
mayor,
would
you
like
to
do
that.
I
Now,
or
would
you
like
to
do
that
before
we
get
to
the
appropriation
ordinances,
I
think
it
might
make
sense
just
to.
L
D
Yes
thanks,
so
you
know
it
was
six
weeks
ago.
L
That
we
presented
our
budget
for
2021
over
four
nights.
L
Budget
for
unprecedented
times
with
four.
L
L
Embedded
in
this
budget
focusing
on
supporting
and
valuing
our
people,
our.
L
Explain
us
changes
since
august
and
responses
to
some
of
the
key.
L
L
Council
in
the
week
of
august,
as
highlighted
also
in
the.
L
Transportation
demand
management
plan,
the
primary.
L
Relates
to
planning
and
transportation
with.
L
L
L
Questions
about
our
police
department
really
a
quarter
of
all
the
questions.
L
Through
petitions
and
other
communications
for
for.
L
L
Percent,
as
invested
in
equipment
in
overall.
L
Jeff
underwood
of
what
the
projected
levels
are
and
they.
L
They
will
help
protect
our
reserves
to
some
degree.
Second,
I'll
note,
as
you
know,
the
council
voted
against.
L
Formed
in
the
weeks
ahead
and
look
forward
to
talking
with
you
about
how
to
do
that
best,
another
example
would
be
the
jack
hopkins
funding,
expansion
of
200
000
to.
L
Recover
but
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
that.
L
Uncertainty
means
we
have
to
be
more
cautious
and
tightening
and.
L
Are
coming
as
the
city
increases
in
size,
new
parks
coming.
L
Others
thanks
mayor
hamilton,
thank
you.
What
is
the.
J
2020
ordinance,
but
the
good
news
is
since
I
drafted
this
memo,
we
do
have
an.
A
A
procedural
one,
I
think,
for
ms
shaw,
you
say
that.
J
J
D
Needed
so
what's
that
450
for
so
you're
correct,
we
do
have
a.
J
N
So
the
very
first
year
of
the
officer's
employment,
the
city
buys.
I
Interested
in
speaking,
do
you
see
anyone
who
would
like
to
offer
comment?
No,
not
yet
once
again,
I'd
like
to.
B
And
with
that,
I
think
we
have
officer
paul
post
you'd
like
to
speak
so.
O
Things
first,
that
the
the
mayor
pointed
out.
J
And
others
may
want
to
respond
as
well.
I
believe.
L
That
43
and
you
know
it's,
I
think,
that's.
A
Were
five
years
ago
that's
correct
now,
a
lot
of
that
is.
L
In
expansion
of
dispatch,
investment
of
other
supporting
off.
L
Back
office
have
increased
more
than
that.
I
think
over
that
time
and
chief.
L
Detail
is,
is,
is
certainly
available.
It
includes.
A
Is
as
follows:
in
my
first
year
on
council,
there
were
84.
A
Sworn
officer
positions
and
mayor
kazan
made
a
pledge
to
increase.
A
Excuse
me,
since
2012
we're,
I
mean
currently
in
2020,
we're
at
a
net
of
105.
A
Right,
you
know
we
we've
had
we've
added
quite
a
few
non-sworn
positions.
N
To
explain
which
what
those
were,
I
think,
the
number
of
officer
positions.
N
Have
increased
five
under
under
mayor
hamilton.
N
Under
under
mayor
kurzan,
okay,
okay,
thank
you
very
much.
E
Police
department
and
I
do
thank
the
the
mayor
and
the
deputy.
E
Take-Home
cars
that
was
actually
recommended
by
some.
E
When
you
know
soon
before
our
loss
of
really
good
experience,.
E
Health,
which
is
critical
if
we
want
to
maintain
the
police.
D
Yeah,
first
of
all,
I
I
hope
that
it
wasn't
a
majority
of
council
members.
E
D
It
would
it's
really
best
as
far
as
feeling
part
of
a
community
and
and.
D
You
police,
it
would
be
preferable
for
me
to.
D
By
officer
price
and
others
a
year
ago,
when
the.
D
The
union
contracts
were
ongoing
and
it
it
does
seem,
like
our
police,
are.
D
D
That
and
the
other
thing,
but
still
the.
D
The
overall
salary,
even
with
those
add-ons,
does
not
seem
to
put
us
in
in.
D
Other
kinds
of
incentives
that
would
be
a
big
plus
both
to.
D
Part
of
our
community
fully
and
as
far
as
this
particular
ordinance.
C
Forward,
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
piggyback
on.
C
What
I'm
councilmember
sandberg
says:
yes,
we
have
discussed
it
before
we're.
C
Not
in
total
lockstep,
but
I
think
we're
close
enough
to
what
she
says
is
something
I
can.
C
Discussion
before,
but
I
still
haven't
really
heard
in.
C
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
that
and
part
of
the
reason
for
the
fiscal.
C
Actual
salaries,
if
that
makes
sense,
if
we
had
a
higher
salary,
that
was.
C
More
acceptable,
I
think,
for
the
officers.
C
I
Member
volunteer
yeah.
First,
I
want
to
clarify
that.
A
Issues-
one
of
which
is
they
believe
there
aren't
enough.
A
And
this
ordinance
deals
with
their
pay
and
clearly
when.
A
It's
time
for
them
to
renegotiate.
There
has
to
be
some.
A
Dialogue
about
this
topic,
but
in
the
meantime.
A
We
are
talking
about
the
police
department
here
and.
A
One
thing
I'll
say
is
that
I,
mr
post's
statement
that.
A
The
pay
like
there's
not
a
lot,
we
can
do
about
the
pay
there's
more.
We
can
do
about
the
number
of
people,
but
you
know
I
have
never
seen
in
the
past.
A
So
ten
years
or
so
the
one
other
thing
I
remember
about.
A
Staffing
of
the
police
department
is,
we've
had
trouble
getting
people
through.
A
The
academy
that
at
the
academy
has
been
a.
A
I
think
is
an
accurate
assessment.
You
know
it
would
take.
A
This
year,
that,
based
on
all
the
constraints,
we're
facing.
A
So
you
know
that's
one
thing
that
I
haven't
understood
up
until
now
is.
A
And
that
you
know
five
people
is
going
to
be.
A
That
the
nros
and
the
dros
were
intended
to
to
serve.
A
Of
some
duties
and
concerns
you
know
like
I
got
to
the
point
where
I.
A
Gave
up
hope
that
that
officers
would
respond
to.
A
Quality
of
life
issues
because
they're
not
life-threatening
they're,
not
the
kind
of
things
that.
A
Concerned
about
dealing
with
criminal.
A
So
I
have
I'm
looking
forward
to
learning
more
about
that.
A
K
That's
okay
to
loop
back
to
that
for
miss
shaw,
I
think,
or
perhaps.
K
Context
of
ordinance,
2025.
K
Unlike
police,
that
fire
do
not
have
salary
bonuses
for
longevity.
K
Certifications
and
training
and
the
like,
but
unless
I'm
misunderstanding
or
misreading,
something
that
you
know
the
ordinance
2022
does
list
a
hierarchy
and
series
of.
K
Longevity
bonuses
and
other
such
things:
what's
the
disconnect.
K
What
am
I
missing
or
not
understanding
yeah?
So
there's
the
employees
covered.
F
And
I
applaud
the
mayor
and
city
for
looking
at
those
and
hope
those
go.
F
Forward
it
seems
like
mike
one
of
my.
F
Questions
earlier
was
with
human
resources.
F
Why
specifically,
people
are
leaving
and
how
we
can
address
those.
F
F
Seems
like
a
structural
thing
that
we
shouldn't
discount.
F
I
think
it's
it's
a
complex
topic
and
it's.
F
J
Michelle
I
have
not
done
any
polling
to
that.
N
Maybe
more
space
they
want
to
live
farther
out.
So
I
think.
N
Haven't
done
any
kind
of
official
polling
or
surveys
to
to
determine
that.
G
Piedmont
smith
was
saying
I
I
and
I
agree
that.
G
Is
a
popular
way
to
help
so
has
the
city
looked
into
anything.
G
N
And
we're
gathering
all
of
that
information.
We've
been.
N
The
best
program
and
what
you
know
best
incentive
program
might
be.
G
Okay,
thank
you,
okay.
This
is
like
a
little
bit
off
topic,
but.
G
G
Folks
have
said
today,
like
I'm,
definitely
concerned
with
the
hours.
G
G
I
Seeing
none
I'll
finish
up
and
offer
some
comments
of
my
own.
I
Thank
you
for
what
you
have
done.
Mayor
hamilton
and
chief
decoff
to.
I
I
Would
ask
you
to
clearly
when
you
come
back
to
us
with
numbers,
please
clearly
separate
those
out.
I
think
those
numbers
can
also
be.
I
Helpful
as
we
think
about
recruitment
and
retention
in
the
coming
years,
and
I
think
they
may
serve
as
a
basis.
I
For
an
amendment
that
may
come
forward
or
two
when
we
look
at
a
final
vote
on
this,
so.
I
Thank
you
with
that
I'll
invite
a
move
to
path.
D
Please
sorry,
I
just
wanted
to
comment
because.
D
Of
something
that
you
you
just
said,
council
members
gambler.
D
So
I
think
those
should
be
called
out
in
our
numbers
separately,
because.
I
I
J
The
the
densest
one
the
most
has
the
most
in.
J
Goes
through
2022
for
2021
is
2.5
increase.
J
And
then
2017,
many
of
you
know
who
are
on
the
council
with.
J
Service
these
facili
facilities
when
they
come
online,
as
you
know,
we're
building
garages
right
now,
and
this
is
based
on
funding.
J
With
you,
its
will
change
its
systems
and
innovation.
Analysts
grade
nine.
J
We
made
a
decision
that
these
job,
these
positions
are
also
similar.
They.
J
And,
as
we've
also
discussed,
police
is
repurposing
five
officer
first
class.
J
J
Promise
public
works
is,
is
creating
a
new
division
called
parking
services.
J
000-
and
this
is
also
through
the
dispatch
budget
outsides
outside
of
this,
our
actual
budget,
but.
G
One
nasha,
I
thought
I
heard
you
say
the
planning
and
transportation.
G
Department
soon
to
be
the
planning
department,
is
that
right?
Yes,
so
for
a
few
years,
I
think
since
2012.
J
J
Talked
about
it
quite
a
bit.
I
think
the
mayor
addressed
that
pretty
in
great
detail
earlier,
and
so
yes,
so
the
engineering
department.
J
Transportation
is
largely
engineering,
a
function
of
engineering.
Q
Q
Capital
arm
that
implements
those
projects.
Q
Merged,
it
is
just
a
name
change
and
I
don't
know
if
that's.
Q
You
know
that's
something
that
we
can
take
under
consideration:
there's
no
physical
change
of
staff
within
the
planning
group
and
the
the.
J
Appreciate
your
comment,
I'm
not
sure
I
have
a
lot
more
to.
A
I
seem
to
remember
that
departments
of
the
city
are
established.
H
I'd
want
to
go
back
and
look.
I,
like
ms
shaw,
may
have
something
I
am
not.
J
D
Out
of
a
tdm
study
that
was
conducted
in
collaboration
with
the
planning.
R
The
tdm
plan
development
is
is
one
effort,
the
execution
of.
R
That
plan
is
a
different
effort
and
you
know,
as.
R
And
that
that
you
know
is
determined
that
esd.
R
Can
get
this
thing
going
quickly
and
successfully.
R
Success
of
execution
and
really
the
position
is
going
to.
R
Be
primarily
one
that
is
looking
at
marketing.
Q
You
know,
I
don't
think
it's
a,
I
think.
It's
kind
of
a
six
one,
half
a
dozen.
F
Is
does
what
it,
what
is
the
transportation
demand
manager.
F
Position
when
the
mayor's
talking
about
we
may
have
to.
F
Tighten
our
belts
and
cut
jack
hopkins-
and
you
know
this.
R
A
good
it's
a
really
good
question
actually
because
I
think
there's
a.
R
Sometimes
some
confusion
around
what
what
transportation
demand
management
does
and
and
its
role.
R
The
city,
the
state,
you
know
the
fed,
the
federal
government,
everybody
is.
R
On
to
create
alternatives
to
you
know,
sort
of.
R
Gotten
used
to
in
our
lives,
and,
and
so
you
know
to
be
able
to.
R
Focus
a
position
or
and
or
an
effort.
R
To
really
highlight
those
alternative
modes
to
be
able
to
create.
R
R
So
it's
a
pretty
it's
a
pretty
significant
effort
and
and
can
yield.
R
Really
good
results
of
people
then
moving
into
using
some
of.
R
Ways
to
move
people
to
to
to
use
those.
R
More
rigorously
does
that
does
that
make
sense?
Well,
I
I,
by
part
of
that.
R
Well,
it's
you
know,
it
has
significant
climate
implications
and
so.
R
The
pandemic
itself,
obviously,
is
you
know,
we're
all
really.
R
Deep
into
it,
what
we're
really
doing
is
anticipating
not
only
the
current
but
future.
R
Feeling
and
more
and
we're
trying
to
invest
to
get
ahead
of
of
you
know
some.
R
Of
the
some
of
the
current
behavior,
that's.
F
It's
one
it's
one
of
those
things
that
has
stuck
in
my
head
that.
F
Right
now
it
seems
like,
but
but
I
appreciate
and
and
I
your.
D
Yes,
I
had
a
question
about
the
parking
enforcement.
J
Now
the
number
of
employees
in
this-
oh
in
the
ordinance.
J
D
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you,
then.
My
other
question
was
about.
D
The
let's
see
where
is
it
in
section
2b,
the
police
shift.
D
K
About
the
additional-
and
I
guess
existing
budgeted
social.
K
In
the
police,
department
and
council,
member
piedmont,
smith
and.
K
I
both
expressed
this
to
mayor,
hamilton
and
and
deputy
mayor
renaissance
earlier
this
summer
and
expressed
a.
K
A
a
well-crafted
and
well-thought-out.
K
And
well-researched
petition
from
well
over
a
hundred.
K
For
ethical
reasons,
and
for
reasons
of.
K
Trust
and
addressing
the
root
causes
of
of
crime
more.
K
Effectively
so
my
question
is,
I
guess
you
know,
I.
K
Still
have
that
preference
that
those
positions
will
be
located
elsewhere
within
the
city
structure
and
my.
K
Question
is
you
know,
for
the
mayor,
probably
or
or.
K
Not
to
you
know,
move
or
keep
those
positions.
K
That's
still
of
some
concern
to
me
and
one
of
the
more
significant
sticking
points
on
this
budget,
so
I
wanted
to
ask
for
additional
thoughts
from
either
the
mayor
from.
L
Stuff-
and
I
apologize
for
that-
I
should
have
noted
we-
that
is
an.
L
Important
I
mentioned
that
we
got
some
petitions.
L
Flaherty
is,
I
guess,
two
parts
one
in
my
view.
L
Enhance
our
capacities
in
responding
we've
been
pleased
with
what
the.
L
Put
them
in
a
way
that
would
coordinate
well
in
the
short
run.
So
from
my
perspective,.
L
That
I
just
think
it's
our
best
option
at
this
point
and
I
think
the.
N
N
Might
need
so.
That's
that's
really
important
for
us.
N
On
law
enforcement
right
now
to
to
get
people
there,
because
we're
the.
N
Variety
of
agencies
from
around
the
country.
N
Actually
about
how
we
started
ours
and
and
how
they
can
take,
what
we've.
I
Thank
you,
I
think
that's
most
of
first
round
questions.
Are
there
any.
C
Thank
you.
We
were
discussing
crime
analysts
that
has
been
changed
to
a
data.
C
N
Was
called,
but
they
analyze
all
kinds
of.
C
Are
we
able
to
collect
additional
sources
of
data
that
maybe
we.
C
Officer
stops:
are
we
having
what
are
the
genders?
What
are
the
race.
C
It
will
this
make
it
more
transparent,
not
that
we
had
not,
that
we
hadn't.
N
Data
and
and
the
types
of
data
we
could.
N
Bogged
down
the
one
person
we
have
doing
that,
and
so
obviously
data
is.
N
Extremely
important
and
having
a
second
analyst
is,
I
think,.
J
I
was
like
oh
good
point,
so
I
started
looking
at
the
legislation.
I
may
have
gotten
ahead
of
myself,
so
let
me
take
that
back
and
I
will
circle
back
with
an
answer
on
that.
J
I
the
legislation,
does
not
reflect
that,
so
I
can
understand
why
you
might.
J
Be
surprised
by
that
okay!
Well,
I
mean
again
before
I
ask.
A
You
know,
people
who
drive
cars,
demand
parking,
and
you
know
when
we've.
A
Talked
about
increased
fees
for
parking
that.
A
You
know
we've
gotten
generally,
you
know.
A
Neutral
but
potential
good
responses.
But
when
it
comes
to.
A
For
supply,
the
administration
tried
eminent
domain
to
make
a
bigger.
A
District
garage,
which
I
voted
for,
argued
the
sticking
point
over
the.
R
I
can
address
that
if
you
want
please
council,
member
volunte.
R
You
know,
I
I'm
sure,
I'm
sure
you're
not
suggesting
it,
but
but
the
department.
R
Is
not
singly
focused
on
building
garages
the
department,
I'm
not
suggesting
that
you're
right?
No,
I
know.
R
So
so
we
have
a
broad
swath
of
interests.
We
we,
you
know
the
s
or
vsd
is
all.
R
R
Into
a
single
sort
of
department,
then
policy
decisions
and
or
or
policy.
R
So
you
know
the
the
interest
that
the
department
has.
R
As
as
the
as
the
primary
focus
of
the
last
couple
of
months,
I.
A
Okay,
I'll
I'll
I'll
grant
you
that.
But
I'm
going
to
go
back
now
to
earlier.
A
This
year,
when
we
were
talking
about
college
mall
road-
and
it
wasn't
so
much
that
the
administration
wasn't
ready
to
add
pedestrian
and
bicycle
infrastructure
on.
A
You
know
to
what
extent
are
is,
is.
R
We've
been
doing,
you
know,
leading
the
you
know,
the.
R
The
effort
at
the
city
for
a
variety
of
different.
R
Support
the
the
tdm
effort,
including
the
new
headcount,
that
would
be.
A
Can
you
name
a
particular
example
of
an
advocacy
you've
done.
A
To
reduce
demand
for
cars.
R
Take
a
look
through
there.
You
can
see
absolutely
efforts
that
no,
I
know
what's
in
the
plan,
what
I'm
asking
is
what.
A
L
I
don't
agree
with
it.
It's
I
just
have
a
different
view
of.
L
A
ordinance
to
change
that
name,
I
I
do
think
transportation.
It.
L
But
they
do
a
lot
of
planning
for
all
kinds
of
things.
So
we're
happy
to.
L
Discuss
that
I
think
returning
its
name
to
what
it
was
before.
L
Perspective
but
the
answer
is
yes,
then
you
do
intend.