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A
You
thank
you.
Clerk
bolton
so
this
evening,
we'll
have
reports
from
the
bloomington
housing.
A
E
D
So
good
evening
I'm
amber
scobee
the
executive
director
of
the
bloomington.
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
Hat
payments
income
equals
expenses.
We
do
expect
to
spend
all
of
that.
D
D
Income
equals
expenses,
even
what
we
don't
spend.
We
have
to
reimburse
hud.
D
D
D
And
that's
it
for
the
brief
budget
overview
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
There's
a
lot
of.
D
Detail
that
goes
into
each
of
these
budgets,
but
just
a
short
amount
of
time
to
spend
with.
A
Miss
scoby,
I
appreciate
that
report
and
we
will
now
go
to
council
questions.
A
Budget
and
I'll
remind
council
that
we
do
not
vote
on
this
budget.
They
have
their.
A
Separate
board
of
commissioners,
but
ms
kobe
invites
questions
so
I
see
councilmember
vollen.
A
Would
you
like
to
begin?
Yes,
please.
Thank
you.
Miss
gobby
thanks
for
the
presentation,
as
always,.
F
D
D
F
The
thing
that
broke
the
dam
of
the
deed
that
you
know
you
you
couldn't
borrow
off
of
it
and.
F
The
public
housing
budget,
the
operating
subsidy,
what's
first
of
what's
the
source
of
that.
D
D
D
A
So
please
be
mindful
of
the
timer,
and
that
goes
for
both
the
questioner
and
the
presenter
and.
G
D
A
H
Ms
scobee,
that
was
great,
will
you
say
a
little
bit
about
community
land
trust
and
how
that
works.
D
Okay,
so
the
way
that
I
think
about
how
the
housing
authority
in
summit
hill
can
contribute.
D
Land
and
then
the
owner
of
the
units,
the
tax
credit
investor
and
our
non-profit
pay
a
ground.
D
D
D
I
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Miss
phobia
and
kit
may
always
take
such
great
photos
so.
I
Please
give
him
our
thanks
on
those
apartment
photos.
Can
you
I'm
interested
in
discussing.
I
Contractors
two
things:
can
you
explain
that
program
a
little
bit
and
what
was
our
goal
at.
D
So
initially
we
had
a
goal
of
25,
so
we've
exceeded
that
goal
and
we
set
out
to
achieve
that
by.
D
To
meeting
with
the
building
association
naacp
membership,
all
of
that
to
kind
of
get
the
word
out.
D
D
D
Enterprise,
you
can
register,
so
we
scoured
that
list
and
reached
out
to
a
lot
of
folks.
D
As
well,
okay,
thank
you.
The
goal
overall,
is
that
federal
money
you
know
goes
to
help.
I
Many
others
next,
the
landlord
risk
mitigation
fund
of
75
000
and
we've
got
less
than
a
minute.
I
But
can
you
quickly
discuss
that
and
how
is
that
going?
Yes,
so
this
year's
budget
asks
for
a.
D
I
J
Ms
scobee,
could
you
talk
more
about
that?
You
talked
about
tenant
education
and
resources
and.
J
In
particular,
can
you
share
more
about
the
family
self-sufficiency
in
the
ross
program.
D
D
D
D
J
J
In
the
district
I
represent,
I
know
that's
a
different
operation,
but
could
you
talk
about
the.
J
D
A
K
Idea
as
well
and
how
that's
going
a
couple
questions,
I
guess
first,
I
know
the
city.
K
And
you
all
have
engaged
in
seeking
some
advice
from
from
folks
with,
with
a
high
level
experience.
K
Of
the
model
we're
pursuing,
which
is
using
the
summit
hill
development
corporation
as
a
sort.
K
Of
existing
nonprofit,
that's
an
instrumentality
of
the
housing
authority
to
to
set
this
up.
K
Are
there
other
models
that
use
that
same
approach,
and
what
do
you?
I
know
you
mentioned
kind.
D
Well,
I
I
know
there
are
models
that
work
with
like
city,
nonprofits
or.
D
Other
partnerships,
I
think
I'm
also
really
interested
in
that
those.
D
On
the
land,
trust
property,
but
housing
authorities
and
instrumentalities
there.
D
Are
several
models
that
do
you
know
ground
leases,
affordability,
restrictions
and
other.
D
And
yeah
to
help
weigh
those
pros
and
cons.
Of
course,
you
know,
one
of
the
cons
is.
D
Is
appointed
by
the
mayor,
but
it's
sort
of
its
own
separate
entity
in
some
ways.
But
a.
K
By
the
land
trust
at
their
hospital
site,
I
know
the
arlington
and
17th
trinitas
development
has.
K
Been
mentioned,
where
we're
getting
some
r-core
zoned
lots
and
I'm
sure
there
will
be
other.
K
Opportunities
over
time,
but
I
wanted
to
ask
more
so
about
the
potential
for
cash
support.
K
Especially
early
on
in
the
process,
on
the
one
hand,
I
can
sort
of
imagine
that
if
you
have.
K
Much
more
affordable
because
people
aren't
paying
for
the
land
and
that's
one
way
to
do
it.
But.
D
D
I
Thank
you,
I'm
just
one
more
thing:
I'd
like
to
hear
about
miss
kobe.
You
mentioned
11
166
dollars.
I
I
Of
a
better
word,
yes,
so
collection
losses
are
non-payment
of
rent
or
damages
to
units.
After.
D
We're
not
going
to
collect
that
so,
of
course,
there's
consequences
for
non-payment
of
rent.
D
You
know
that
could
be
an
eviction
right
now.
We
have
a
victory
moratorium.
D
I
Okay-
and
I
know
you're
in
the
process
of
changing
how
you
budget
at
least
the
fiscal
year.
I
I
Lower
right
about
normal,
it's
two
months
worth
of
what
we
would
typically
write
off,
I
think
I.
A
Apartments
that
are
being
renovated
and
what's
the
timetable
on
that,
are
they.
D
D
Last
week,
and
so
that
will
go
until
early
december,
you
know
I'll
be
honest.
The
tenant
relocation.
D
A
Okay,
let's
continue
with
any
other
questions.
This
is
for
the
bloomington
housing
authority.
A
G
A
Going
once
twice:
okay,
mr
lucas,
let's
proceed
now
to
public
comment.
A
L
I
don't
see
any
at
the
moment.
Perhaps
we
can
give
it
just
a
few
more
seconds.
L
L
Hands
raised
or
comments
at
the
moment.
A
Well,
we
are,
I
believe,
we're
back
to
council
now.
So
if
someone
would
like
to
make
a
comment.
A
I
To
say,
we've
worked
with
miss
kobe,
a
lot
of
years,
at
least
my
years
on
the
council,
and
I
just.
I
Our
lower
income,
housing
issues
and
I
think,
with
the
beginning
of
this
project,
with
the.
I
Earn
income
and
learn
some
skills
along
the
way
to
help
them
later
on
in
their
lives
and
career.
A
Well
then,
ms
scobee,
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
A
M
Saying
that
councilman
barolo,
I
am
trying
to
get
my
give
me
just
a
second
here.
Council
members.
M
I
apologize
trying
to
make
sure
I'm
looking
at
the
camera
and
I
have
multiple
monitors
here
so.
M
Sure
the
monitors
are
where
they
need
to
be
so
good
yeah.
So
forgive
me
for
that,
but
I'll.
M
Go
ahead
and
start
if
you're
ready
good
evening
counselors
my
name
is
john
zoe.
I'm
the
director.
M
A
There
you
go
mr
zoe
yep,
okay,
everybody!
I
give
you
just
a
second
here,
because
my.
M
More
time,
elizabeth,
that's
all
right,
I'm
not
sure
what's
going
on,
but
thank
you
for
the
offer.
Yep.
M
M
Help
there
so
again
a
pleasure
to
present
our
22-22
budget
request
to
you
from
the
department
of.
M
Housing
and
neighborhood
development
just
a
little
bit
about
why
we
exist.
You
have
really
some.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
Group
of
people
who
worked
through
the
pandemic
figured
out
a
way
to
do
home
inspections.
M
M
M
M
Presentations,
but
this
is
a
really
was
a
great
assessment
done
for
our
department
had
about.
M
M
M
Metric,
we
removed
nearly
seven
tons
of
trash
and
other
stuff
during
the
cleanup.
So
if
you've.
M
Staff
are
are
doing
their
rounds
of
inspections
and
we're
well
on
pace
to
meet
our
inspection
goal.
M
The
new
state
law
senate
enrolled
act
148.
continuing
to
provide
that
housing
counseling.
M
M
Will
pick
up
by
the
end
of
the
year,
and
so
these
other
goals
that
you
see
really
looking
at.
M
The
on
the
affordable
housing
side,
increasing
data
sources,
resources
by
making
public.
M
Income
and
the
rental
information
we
get
asked
that
information
by
property
owners
and
and.
M
M
On
the
2022
side,
what
you
see
here
in
this
picture
is
the
rendering
of
the.
M
Using
incentives,
lots
of
different
types
of
incentives
that
you
all
have
considered.
M
Up
to
par
monitoring
our
loan
portfolio,
making
sure
that
you
all
have
information
on
the
loan.
M
M
M
M
For
the
department,
the
rental
inspection
program
was
a
key
factor
in
that.
M
Historic
preservation-
I'll
summarize
this
slide
by
welcoming
our
new
program
manager
and
you.
M
M
M
And
on
our
hud
programming
continue
that
housing
counseling
making
sure
that
we
are.
M
M
In
trying
to
get
more
projects
online
through
home,
so
american
rescue
plan
here
in
the
last
last.
M
Making
sure
that
we're
working
together
on
that
is
important
and
looking
at
how
we.
M
The
evolution
of
the
housing
and
security
working
group
and
the
heading
home
initiative.
M
M
And
the
city
wants
to
help
with
that.
There
are
also
some
things
that
here
within
the
city.
M
Could
be
done
which,
looking
at
how
we
provide
more
resources?
So
how
do
we
reduce
those
housing.
M
Barriers,
how
do
we
support
housing
first,
so
we've
done
a
lot
of
things
to
support,
for
instance,.
M
Sure
that
we
are
doing
what
we
can
to
support
those
those
efforts,
so
that
is
the
first
bucket.
M
M
The
second
bucket
here
in
developing
rental
housing
we
feel
like
we
can
do
this
to
sort.
M
M
And
so
I
will
tell
you
quickly
and
briefly
that
I
I
believe
it's
a
rece,
it's
an
awareness
issue.
M
M
Increasing
home
ownership
is
a
little
harder
to
kind
of
get
your
hands
around
because
it
can.
M
M
M
M
This
request,
which
we'll
talk
more
about
when
the
appropriation
ordinance
comes
up
as
well.
M
If
you
have
any
questions,
we'll
have
some
good
ideas
for
how
we
can
do
that
in
there.
M
So,
to
summarize
highlights
for
the
hand
budget,
our
total
request
is
2.767.299.
M
That
would
be
that
would
be
put
in
for
staff
here
in
the
department.
M
Familiar
to
you
all,
but
see
just
some
very,
very
small
changes
in
the
one
two
three.
M
And
four
hundred
lines
in
the
budget
there
and
then
here's
the
arpa
money
in
the
300
line.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
Appreciate
your
consideration
of
our
request,
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
questions
for
15
seconds.
M
A
J
J
J
Using
yeah,
so
there
is
a
there
are
guidelines
from
the
house
for
the
housing
development
fund.
M
When
it
was
set
up,
as
you
probably
know,
a
council
member,
so
the
idea
behind
that
is
to
create.
M
A
fund
for
incentives-
this
was
recommended
in
the
in
the
housing
study,
I
believe,
or
actually.
M
M
As
fun
so
originally,
the
idea
was
to
provide
incentives,
look
at
how
those
who
participate
and.
M
Expenditures
out
of
there
there's
been
some
to
bloomington
cooperative
housing.
I've
got
a.
M
Budget
line
or
an
expense
report
out
of
the
housing
development
fund
that
we
could
share.
M
But
the
largest
expenditure
there
are
some
projects
for
bloomington,
cooperative
housing.
M
That's
450
000,
which
has
been
reduced.
You
know,
as
people
have
taken
part
of
that
program.
M
For
the
shared
appreciation
we
contributed
the
loan
for
the
union
at
crescent
apartments.
I'm
I'm.
M
Looking
at
that
list
now,
council
number
so
the
250
000
from
housing
development
for
a
loan.
M
M
We've
done
about
seventy
thousand
dollars
in
down
payment
assistance
through
the
shared.
J
M
M
Is
it
going
to
be
right,
and
so
I
I
will
throw
a
nod
to
our
esd
department,
where
we.
M
For
the
retreat
at
switzer
departments,
that
was
a
specific
discussion.
I
think.
M
Now
I
will
tell
you
that
some
hud
programming-
we
look
at
that
a
little
differently,
because.
F
Thanks
just
a
brief
question,
mr
zelda,
thanks
for
the
presentation
you
listed
that
there.
F
Were
1475
rental
inspections
scheduled,
but
I
assume
that
those
are
more
than
1475
units.
F
Being
inspected
every
year,
or
I
mean,
if
not,
there's,
25
or
so
thousand
rental
units
in
town,
how.
F
How
is
that
managed?
How
does
it
work
sure,
good
question
so
there
are,
there
are
about
25
200.
M
Rally
units
in
the
city
of
bloomington,
there
are
three
four
and
five-year
permits.
As
you
know,.
M
And
so
we
do
the
the
goal
of
1475
inspections
units
each
year
sounds
like
it's
low.
When
you
look.
M
Those
number
of
inspections
could
include
multiple
units,
so
when
it's
I'm
trying
to
explain
this.
M
M
M
F
How
many
units
did
you
inspect
this
year
that
were
on
a
five-year
cycle
sure
so
how
many
units
are.
M
And
five
year
permit
exactly
exactly
that's.
You
know
every
year,
instead
of
saying
how
many.
F
M
M
F
Five-Year
basis
at
the
minimum
it
is,
I
would
say
that
it's
a
goal
because
number
one
it's
a
big.
M
They
don't
show
up,
you
know
we
have
to
do
there's
quite
a
bit
of
effort.
There
can
be
quite
a.
M
A
Thank
you
for
keeping
the
time
councilman,
piedmont,
smith,.
G
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
What
is
the
comprehensive
strategic
plan.
G
M
M
I
would
say
it's
a
part
of
it,
but
I
think
the
all
of
those
documents
together.
In
addition.
M
M
M
In
those
documents
and
what's
a
deliverable,
how
are
we
approaching
the
goal?
Orientation.
M
M
M
G
On
providing
enough
different
types
of
housing-
oh
of
course
yeah-
don't
let
I
hope
I
didn't.
G
Thank
you.
We're
good,
we'll
continue
with
first
running
questions
who
would
like
to
continue.
K
Bit
on
the
points
customer
smith
was
making.
I
I
would
say
that
I
think
there
would
be
value.
K
If
the
city's
position
is
that
our
housing
strategy
is
complete
or
near
complete
to.
K
Us
as
council
members
into
the
public,
I
think
our
discussions
earlier
this
year
with
the
udo.
K
K
Out
climate
action
plan
comprehensive
plan,
but
I
think
unifying
those
things
might
be
good.
K
But
I
wanted
to
ask
more
specifically
about
the
opportunities
or
challenges
presented
by
the.
K
Potential
for
annexation
and
the
need
to
inventory
additional
areas
of
housing
and
strategize
in.
K
Comprehensive
plan
udo
et
cetera-
maybe
that
is
an
opportunity
to
pursue
some
of
this
unifying.
K
Piece
and
then
also
how
annexation
may
affect
that
and
depending
on
what
happens,
there
sure
well.
M
Look,
I
think,
the
consolidation
unification
of
what
is
out
there
is
great,
I
think,.
M
That's,
I
believe,
that's
a
strong
approach
and
I
think
we
can
do
that
by
looking
at
the
numbers.
M
In
the
metrics
and
how
are
we
approaching
and
I
really
feel
having
been
and
I've
got
one
minute.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
I
I
Back
a
little
bit
on
council
members
can
blurry
not
exactly,
but
I
do
know
when
we
were
talking.
I
About
measurables,
with
regard
to
success
or
a
goal
meeting
we'll
just
look
forward
to
looking.
I
Just
won't,
let
you
know
we'll
be
talking
about
it.
I'll,
be
glad
too
any
conversations
welcome,
yes,.
I
Thank
you,
but
a
couple
comments
and
the
one
thing
in
your
presentation.
You
mentioned
that.
I
In
their
neighborhood
cleanups,
seven
tons
of
trash
was
collected,
and
you
mentioned
how
this.
I
M
Clarify
a
little
bit,
mr
president,
that
the
the
trash
included
sort
of
other
things,
so
furniture.
M
I
M
M
M
M
The
sanitation
truck
we
have
hazmat
disposal
of
metal,
glass
and
chemicals,
and
then
we
have
a.
M
M
Seven
times
from
our
neighborhood
cleanups
last
year,
I
can
get
you
a
more
specific
number
on.
I
Okay,
that's
not
urgent
right
now,
but
I'd
like
to
know
how
much
that
we
took
or
we
were
able.
I
I
Exist
portion,
and
also
again
in
the
conclusion
portion
you
mentioned,
preserve
community.
I
Character-
and
I
guess
I
just
really
want
to
hear
from
you,
what
do
you
mean
by
that
and
what.
I
M
I
think
I'd
go
back
to
the
marriage
goals
of
of
sustainability
and
equity.
We
have
a
relatively.
M
That,
if
we
have
a
really
vibrant
character,
I
think,
as
far
as
hand
goes
the
character
of.
M
The
community
exists
in
our
housing
stock,
our
neighborhoods.
So
when
you
look
at
our
title
vi.
M
M
Question
is
the
community,
does
the
character
and
the
vitality
work
for
everyone
and
I
think.
M
I
M
Sure
so,
council,
member
last
year
we
inspected
7184
units
in
the
calendar
year
2020
to
give
you.
M
A
Thank
you
following
up
further
questions,
this
is
the
first
round.
A
Owner
occupied-
and
I
know
that
homeownership
is-
is
a
goal
of
yours.
I
wondered:
do
you
have.
A
A
In
mind
a
goal
in
mind
to
get
to
that,
to
that
place
sure
the
I
would
say
we
do
have
a
goal.
M
Councilman
rolo
the
housing
study
in
2020
indicates
we.
I
think
that
we
need
to
have.
M
800,
more
units
or
800,
more
single-family
homes,
800
more
people
in
home
ownership
status
over
the.
M
Bloomington
housing
study
and
I
I
will
tell
you
in
two
parts:
we
don't
want
to
make
it
incidental.
M
M
Shared
equity,
what
sort
what
you
know
there
are
realtors
who
are
really
interested
in
being.
M
M
Conservative
in
my
response
here
the
city
isn't
partnering
with
that
company.
I
think
the
article.
M
Understanding
is
that
landis,
the
company
is
sort
of
a
red
to
own,
where
you
would
rent.
M
A
I'm
sure
a
number
of
us
would
like
to
learn
more
about
landis
councilmember
volun.
You
were
next.
F
M
Say
the
and
it's
not
in
jeopardy
at
this
time
I
mean
it's,
you
know
the
legislature
is
an
annual.
M
You
do
we,
I
think
we
all
agree
on
that
yeah.
What
is
no
longer
able
to
be
required
is
the.
M
Attendance
rights
responsibilities
document
which
we
believe
it
helps
provide
education.
M
M
On
paper,
concrete
thing
that
we
can
no
longer
excuse
me
require
the
inspection
side
has.
M
It
hasn't
changed
a
lot
they're
just
we
need
to
be
careful
about
how
much
we
engage
in
the.
M
M
Our
legal
department
about
okay,
that's
interesting
with
respect
to
the
statement,
I
do
recall
that.
F
F
Require
the
landlord
to
get
the
signature
of
the
tenant,
but
can
it
the
information
at.
F
M
F
Rights
of
a
tenant,
but
it
was
very
what's
what
I'm
looking
for
abstract
you
know,
and
there.
M
M
F
F
You
so
much
we're
on
second
round
questions:
councilmember
rosenberger
and
then
smith.
N
Questions
around
developing
rental
housing
that
is
affordable.
Have
you
thought
about.
N
M
I
don't
know
if
we
could
just
depend
on
the
program
and
the
guidelines
associated
with
it.
N
Great,
thank
you
and
then
a
second
question
a
little
in
the
same
realm.
I
think
there
was.
N
N
Resources
and
sort
of
working
together,
just
so
we
have
some
tenants-
can
have.
M
Yeah,
I
know
there's
a
group
that
in
town
that
is
sort
of
headed
in
that
direction
with.
M
Kind
of
being
a
collective
place
for
tenants
sort
of
you
know,
I
think
many
of
you
know.
M
With
neighborhood
associations,
I
don't
want
to
be
sort
of
looking
at
things
as
sort
of
mutually.
M
M
M
To
organized
neighborhood
associations,
it's
not
restricted
for
that!
So
if
there
are
a
group.
M
M
H
Wing
in
the
city,
so
with
the
regard
to
the
neighborhood
cleanups.
H
Neighborhoods
coming
up
in
and
if
not,
how
do
neighborhoods
solicit
a
neighborhood
cleanup.
M
So
we
did
those
in
may
and
june
and
if
somebody
in
the
neighborhood
is
interested,
they
should.
G
Yes,
mr
zodie,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
the
same
question
that
I
asked
miss
scoby
and
that
is.
G
Used
to
determine
funding
from
hud
for
the
programs
that
you
administer
thanks
for
the.
M
M
The
formulas
are
quite
complicated,
as
you
might
suspect,
but
population
is
a
factor
we
have.
M
Funding
is
you
know
it's
an
appropriate.
It's
based
on
an
appropriation
from
congress.
M
And
it
has
to
go,
you
know
it's
a
puzzle
right.
So
if
one
community
gets
has
to
get.
M
M
But
I
will
tell
you
that
it
is
a
factor
in
the
formula.
I
can't
tell
you
just
because
I.
M
M
Is
a
factor
and
we
we
are
very
much
aware
of
that
implication
if
it
were
to
come
down
so.
M
But
those
are
the
two
two
ways
in
which
it
could
be
impacted.
I
will
tell
you
also.
M
M
A
I'll
ask
a
question,
then.
Mr
zodie
remind
me:
how
often
do
you
inspect
apartments.
M
Property
owners,
so
we've
been
building
a
lot
of
large
multi-family
apartments
and
those
are
of.
A
Course
are
included
as
well,
and
your
staff,
I'm
just
envisioning
needing
more
staff
in
the
future.
A
We've
been
adding
so
many
units
like
are:
are
you
keeping
pace?
We
are,
you
know
we
just.
M
Replaced
an
inspector,
so
we
are
full
staff
on
our
neighbor
compliance
officers
and
and.
M
To
increase
following
the
annexation
process,
if
the
area
is
intended
are
in
fact
annexed.
M
For
right
now
we're
keeping
up,
but
they
are
busy.
You
know,
part
of
the
inspection
process
is.
M
In
addition
to
going
out
it's
you
know
the
processing
of
the
report
and
making
sure
that.
M
A
M
Rolled
act
148,
you
know
there
was
a
the
governor,
the
legislature
passed,
the
law
of
the
governor.
M
M
To
the
landmark
tenant
relationship
and
what
what
a
government
can
require
more
specifically
us.
M
Make
available,
for
instance,
the
tenant's
rights
or
responsibilities
document,
we
can
no
longer.
M
What
we're
seeing
that
on
the
practical
side
is
just
making
sure
that
we
step
up
our
education.
M
Efforts
for
tenants,
I
think
the
landlord
the
apartment
association
has
been
good
to
work
with.
M
Document,
even
though
they're
not
required
to
so
we
are
we're
working
through
it.
I
see.
A
That's
we're
grateful
that
that
action
was
taken.
Okay,
let's
continue
with
questions.
A
I
see
that
one
has
already
been
queued
up
from
nato
leroy
song.
Do
you
have
that.
A
I
guess
it's
been
sent
to
me
privately
so
here
here's
a
question,
mr
zodi.
A
A
A
Could
repeat
it
if
you
need
it
I'll
do
my
best?
Okay,
first,
I'm
not
prepared,
oh
sure,
yeah.
Sorry,.
A
But
we
could
do
it
during
returning
back
and
I
I
apologize
for
that.
Mr
zodiac
conflated
that.
A
When
we
come
back
to
council,
so
let's
go
to
additional
public
comment.
Mr
lucas.
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
L
I
don't
see
any
additional
hands
raised
at
the
moment.
I
did
have
a
message
in
chat.
L
I'm
happy
to
pass
that
along
perhaps
in
writing.
If,
if
we
receive
it
here
momentarily.
L
And
I
see
mr
right
song
has
raised
her
hand.
Yes,
she
should
now
be
able
to
comment.
B
Hello,
thank
you.
I
just
have
one
follow-up
question
to
my
earlier
questions.
B
About
housing
first
and
the
the
housing
first
resolution
does
the
budget
the
2022
proposed.
B
A
A
A
A
To
begin,
I
I
I
guess
I
posed
the
question:
could
we
start
there,
mr
zodie
wonder,
could
you
could.
A
You
fill
us
in
on
the
housing
first
questions
that
ms
roy
song
posed
sure
I'll
I'll
answer.
M
That
issue,
no,
it
won't
and
I'm
not
prepared
to
say
when
that
will
be
solved.
I
don't
think
that's
a.
M
Not
comfortable
giving
you
a
hard
deadline
on
when
you'll
no
longer
need
a
housing.
First.
M
M
M
There
are
people
in
there
who
need
housing
and
who
have
our
at-risk
populations
or.
M
Vulnerable
populations.
We
need
to
be
there
to
do
our
best
to
help,
and
so
I'm
not
prepared.
M
To
say
when
the
end
date
on
that
is
because
I
don't
I,
I
can't
give
you
one,
but
the.
M
M
Okay
and
and
direct,
I
should
directed
that
to
you,
council
member.
I
apologize
no.
A
No,
that's
quite
a
right
and
are
you
aware
of
the
of
the
because
resolution.
M
I
I'm
not,
and
that
may
just
be
a
miss
on
my
part,
and
I
can
I
can
check
it
out.
We
should
send.
A
A
That
correct,
I
have
yes
thank
you.
Sam
says
that
police
can't
give
tickets
to
people
on
on
the.
L
Street
when
they
park
a
car
and
that's
the
end
of
the
comment-
and
I
also
apologize,
I
I
neglected.
L
To
start
the
timer
during
that
last
question,
so,
okay,
all
right
further
counsel,
questions.
A
K
Mind,
and
and
was
spurred
further
by
some
of
the
questions
from
mr
outside
and
and.
K
In
bloomington
and
they
need
to
get
people
into
housing
now
and
how
we've
got
you
know
a
list.
K
Of
folks
who
can't
use
vouchers
and
and
that
sort
of
thing,
I
think
the
landlord
risk
mitigation.
K
K
Discriminated
against
currently,
who
could
be
backed
up
by
a
program
like
a
landlord
risk.
K
Getting
the
first
step
off
the
ground,
but
I
feel
like
maybe
it's
time
to
move
on
step
two
as.
K
K
M
M
M
A
Thank
you
just
to
follow
up
on
that.
Mr
zodi,
you,
you
stated,
I
think
you
said
89
of
money
for.
A
Rental
assistance
is
unused.
Is
that
correct
and
that's
a
staggering
amount
is
that
is,
is
that.
A
The
case
here
as
well
in
in
monroe
county
or
in
bloomington,
no,
it's
I
might
characterize
it.
M
Right,
we
had
a
call
with
indiana
housing
community
development
agency
this
morning.
M
Rosenberger
and
sims
were
on
that
call
a
couple
weeks
ago.
I
will
tell
you
these
quick
numbers,
300.
M
There
are
220
applications
in
progress
and
we
they
know
that
114
114
households
are
in
the
queue.
M
M
More
outreach
here,
west
lafayette,
our
fierce
competitor,
they've,
had
769
households,
assisted.
M
To
get
rental
assistance
out
the
door
that
money's
not
all
used
yet,
and
so
we
need
to
get
people.
M
M
Thousand
dollars
to
help
with
rental
assistance
through
cdbg
money,
jack
hopkins
money
has.
M
A
A
M
Landlords
and
we're
going
to
share
with
the
apartment
association
all
that
kind
of.
G
Yes,
mr
zodi,
what
is
han's
responsibility
as
far
as
making
sure
sidewalks
are
clear.
M
Engineering
council,
member
piedmont
smith,
so
as
far
as
neighborhood
compliance
goes,
I
don't
you.
M
M
M
A
J
Thank
you
for
the
efforts
you've
put
into
this
budget.
I
also
wanted
to
sing
the
praises
of.
J
Some
of
your
staff
members
in
the
district
I
represent
several
neighborhoods,
applied
to
the.
J
J
J
To
your
to
your
staff,
ditto
everyone
who's
working
on
residence
academy,
I
have
several.
J
Residents
who
are
participating
in
that
and
were
accepted
for
it
so
again,
those
those
are.
J
A
Thank
you
further
comment.
A
Okay,
councilman
peterman
smith,.
G
Involved
with
the
city
of
bloomington,
so
it's
a
great
program,
but
tonight
I'm
going
to
abstain.
G
Not
have
a
document
that
says
here's
what
we're
going
to
do.
Here's
who
we're
going
to
work.
G
G
In
the
plans
for
next
year-
and
you
know
I
can
reach
out
and
talk
with
mr
zoe
about
that.
F
To
students
to
make
them
better
neighbors
to
teach
them,
you
know
the
neighboring
project.
F
A
A
F
L
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
out
of
order
to
to
move
due
pass,
but
it's
not
required.
L
A
I'll
I'll
call
the
role,
as
I
see
you
arbitrarily
aligned
on
my
screen,
councilmember
schemaluri.
A
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
And
which
will
hopefully
thrive
as
it
is
reactivated
for
local,
regional
and
national.
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
Or
79
from
2021.,
this
is
driven
largely
by
other
supplies,
which
includes
removal
of
25
dollars.
P
P
Increase
education
about
climate
solutions,
which
is
a
goal
from
the
sustainability
action
plan,.
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
N
Questions
so
I'll
probably
go
into
different
rounds,
but
you
talked
a
little
bit
about.
N
P
Trying
to
I
mean
this
is
this
is
actually
true
of
a
lot
of
different
programs,
but
we're
trying
to.
P
Really
get
the
biggest
bang
for
the
investment
we're
making
and
in
the
case
of
composting.
P
P
Is
in
that
case,
and
many
others
we're
zeroing
in
on
on
trying
to
get
you
know
scale
and.
P
Try
to
get
substantial
movement
on
an
issue
like
composting
certain
you
know,
we've
tried
some.
P
P
P
From
from
restaurants
and
and
then
what
is
it
that
the
city
can
do,
including
potentially.
P
A
Q
That
memo
has
been
updated
and
we
will
be
sending
that
to
the
council
office
to
reflect.
Q
K
That
are
those
climate
action
plan
investments,
the
750
k
in
phase
three
recover
forward.
P
P
This
year,
so
we
are
testing
them
out,
we're
proving
them
out
right
now
we
will
only
double
down
and.
P
Those
and
and
then
there's
the
you
know
the
bloomington,
the
the
beat
beg
hip.
We
call
it.
P
Which
is
the
the
new
program
that's
being
set
up
for
for
residential
and
again
that's
very
early.
P
In
its
development,
but
if
that
proves
itself
also
successful,
then
we'd
like
to
double
down.
P
On
that
as
well,
a
green
home
improvement
program
is
that
right?
Yes,
what
would
doubling
down.
K
On
that
mean,
actually
would
I
know
it's,
I
believe,
only
available
to
homeowners
at
this.
K
P
Bit
of
a
different
approach,
so
I
mean
where
that,
where
a
small
scale
you
know
multiplex
owner.
P
Maybe
if
you
want
to
call
it
that
would
fall,
you
know
we
could
try
to
decide
what
makes
most.
P
K
P
We
have
received
one
response
from
the
rfq
process
and
that
closed
just
a.
P
Week
and
a
half
ago,
so
needless
to
say,
we've
been
a
little
bit
consumed
with
budget.
P
Preparation,
so
I've
glanced
through
the
response.
We
need
to
dive
in
I've,
communicated
with
them.
P
That
we
will
be
doing
that
shortly
and
and
really
dive
into
the
details
of
their
proposal.
P
So
you
know
it's
good,
that
we
got
one
and
and
now
that
now
the
heavy.
C
Will
be
heavily
invested
in
getting
the
walmart
and
ready
for
reopening
of
seasons
and
and.
C
Use
for
the
wilderness,
starting
in
january,
correct.
They
will
certainly
invest
heavily
in.
P
The
waldron,
a
lot
of
the
work
that's
being
done
right
now
is,
is
work
that
the
the
task
force.
P
So
we
are
actually
investing
that
that
amount
into
preparing
the
facility
for.
P
But
but
what
we
will
do
and
we're
also
taking
reservations
for
the
fall
so
we're
I'm
sorry.
The.
P
P
P
To
support
wfhp's
use
of
of
their
space,
you
know,
you
probably
know
that
that
benefits
them.
P
From
a
funding
perspective,
we're
very
aware
of
that
and
I
think
we've
got
a
good
understanding.
P
With
them
right
now
and
and
then
beyond
that
in
terms
of
what
the
next
phase
will
look
like.
P
You
know
we
just
have
to
dig
into
that
a
little
bit
more
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
P
P
And
the
idea
is
you
didn't
rfp
yet
for
that
or
no
no
okay
and
the
the
you
know.
P
The
community
can
afford
and
also
can
use
a
you
know,
an
art
center
that
that
is
built
for
that.
P
P
Centers
for
arts
activities
performing
arts
etc
are
kind
of
retrofit
from
another
use.
P
And
so
it's
you
know,
it's
always
a
little
bit
complicated
to
stand
something
up
in
them.
J
J
An
interesting
idea:
what
does
that
look
like?
Well,
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
different.
P
Ways
to
do
that
there
there
are
third
parties
that
do
it.
There's
software
products
there
are.
P
You
know
more
kind
of
purchase
card
approaches.
There
are
other
incentive
structures
that.
P
And
we
are
working
closely
with
some
of
our
partners
to
understand.
What's
the
you
know,.
P
What's
the
best
one,
what's
going
to
yield
the
best
results,
and
you
know
there's
a
balance
between.
P
And
we're
sensitive
to
that,
so
we
want
to
impose
something
on
them.
That
is
onerous.
P
And
and
then
sort
of
you
know
eliminate
the
benefit
that
they
would
get
from
it.
So
so
it's
a.
P
Little
bit,
you
know
trying
to
thread
a
needle
here,
but
but
we
think
that
there's
certainly
a.
P
J
So
the
return
to
work
program
could
you
talk
more
about
how
that's
going
and
what.
P
Are
being
you
know
worked
on
so
maybe
I
mean
I,
you
know,
I
think,
broadly
speaking,
you
know.
P
You
think
of
up
training,
you
think
of
training
people
to
come
into
the
workforce
right
away.
P
Publish
for
you
and
for
everybody,
you
know
the
the
updated
data
related
to
those.
I
think
some.
G
Yes,
I
wanted
to
ask
about
implementation
of
the
transportation
demand
management
plan.
G
P
So
let
me
address
a
couple
of
points
there.
If
you
know
we
we
on
on
the
position
that
we've
been.
P
Trying
to
fill,
I
think
I
mentioned-
we
really
want
to
get
a
strong
person
in
there
and.
P
And
so
it's
important
for
us
to
to
work
hard
to
do
that.
The
the
plan
has
actually
not
really.
P
P
P
P
And
we
have
to
establish
that
baseline
rather
than
sort
of
blindly
following
a
plan.
P
P
From
a
cost
perspective,
and,
and
also
fundamentally
it's
it's
a
it's
kind
of
an
hr.
P
P
To
make
sure
that
it's
designed
correctly,
that
it
fits
within
what
the
the
benefits
structures.
P
For
employees
of
the
city
would
be,
you
know
seeing,
and
so
I
you
know
it's
on
our.
P
P
But
it's,
I
don't,
think
it's
as
easy
as
just
kind
of
saying.
Well,
it
was
in
the
plan.
G
Thank
you.
We've
been
asking
for
it
for
years,
so
there's
been
plenty
of.
A
A
Take
a
bite
not
yet
okay,
I'll
I'll
do
that
I've
got
a
couple,
but
let's
start
with
mr
crowley,.
A
Stuff
is
really
moving
forward.
I'm
really
happy
to
see
the
farm
stop.
You
know
we
we
had
in
mind
a.
A
A
Is
up
and
running-
and
this
is
a
great
place
to
shore
options
for
farmers
and
customers.
P
Through
kind
of
the
processes
and
and
and
there's
a
fair
amount
of
work
to
do
there,
I
think.
P
You
know,
on
the
whole,
it's
poised
for
success.
There
are
definitely
some
challenges
that
are.
P
Both
directly,
you
know,
startup
related,
you
know,
as
as
anybody
who's
who
started
up
a
business.
P
Knows
it's
it's
an
incredibly
heavy
lift
and-
and
in
this
case
it
was
done
by.
P
P
P
P
Own
right,
and
also
for
the
success
of
the
farm
stop,
and
so
I
you
know,
I
think
that
the
the.
P
Is
actually
open?
You
know
seven
days
a
week
for
a
little
bit
more
continuity
and
predictability.
P
P
It
just
needs
a
little
time
to
settle
in
and
and
and
and
you
know
and
get
some
momentum
great.
A
A
Something
to
consider,
let's
see
we're
on
second
round
questions
now:
councilmember
flaherty
ben.
A
K
K
Residential
customer
base,
another
is
establish
a
city
of
bloomington
employee
parking
cash
out.
K
K
Within
that
timeline
or
phase
one
actions
of
the
plan,
do
you
have
any
estimate
of
a
percentage.
P
Well,
it's
a
good
question,
so
you
know
that
we
can
get
into
it.
I've
got
a
minute
40
seconds.
P
P
Know
in
a
month
or
two
you
know
I
think
you
may
have
misconstrued
my
commitment
to
the
for.
P
Example,
the
cash
out:
it's
we're
not
just
thinking
about
it
sitting
around
just
thinking
about
it.
P
These
things,
this
takes
internal
partnerships,
it
takes
external
partnerships,
and
you
know.
P
Repercussions
of
doing
that,
so
you
know
a
lot
of
the
activities
that
are
laid
out
in
the
plan.
P
Cities
in
this
case
we've
already
thought
of
it
as
as
well,
but
you
know
we
put
them
in
there
with.
P
The
intent
to
pursue
them,
but
the
plan
is
also
needs
to
be
flexible.
I
think
one
of
the
one
of.
P
J
Yes,
thank
you
single
question.
I
get
asked
most
frequently
what's
going
on
with
kirkwood
avenue.
J
J
J
Sure
for
that
conversation
so
kirkwood
so
I'll
talk
to
the
lights,
the
lights
were.
P
I
mean
it's
kind
of
a
lovely
story
right,
the
lights
are
really
just
totally
bootstrapped.
P
We
we,
you
know,
we
wanted
to
see
some
lights
go
up
there.
We
didn't
have
a
lot
of
money
to
do
it.
P
Of
the
plan
for
this
year
in
terms
of
kirkwood
overall,
one
of
the
things
I
mentioned
in
the.
P
P
Be
closed
in
the
future,
and
it's
it's
it's
very
appealing.
I
think
if,
if
we
had
suggested
that.
P
A
couple
of
years
ago,
people
might
have
freaked
out,
but
but
now
that
they
can
visualize
it
and.
P
That
vision
and
that
that
there's
a
real
possibility
of
doing
it
so
obviously.
P
It's
a
lot
of
it's
a
lot
of
change
and
we
have
to
work
through
everything
from
you
know.
P
P
Is
one
where,
ultimately,
that
becomes
a
pedestrian
only
street
what
it
might
mean
for.
P
You
know
a
year
or
two
is
a:
is
a
transition
to
it.
So
you
know
I
don't
know
exactly
what
that.
P
P
What
it
would
take
to
close
that,
ultimately
and
and
build
a
good
plan
for
it,
and
thank
you.
J
I
imagining
that
they're
very
there
there
may
be,
and
I
I
would
imagine
maybe
in
public.
P
Safety,
that's
where
you
could
see
a
lot
of
that
coming
into
being,
but
you
know
again,
that's
one.
A
G
Is
is
the
administration
still
planning
to
to
move
ahead
with
the
county
on
the
expansion
of.
P
Tourism
on
the
tourist
economy
in
bloomington-
and
you
know
what
that
means
literally-
is
hotel.
P
P
Nobody
in
them
during
the
week
and
you've
got
these
weird
peaks
and
valleys
that
happen
and.
P
In
it
brings
people
into
town
on
essentially
the
off
tourism
period
so
monday
through
thursday.
P
Conventions
can
fill
in
hospital,
not
hospital
hotel
occupancy.
It
can
help
to
stabilize
you.
P
On
on
certain
weekends
and
periods
of
the
year
and
then
relatively
weaker
in
other
parts
of
of
the.
P
P
Create
a
additional
influx
of
of
spending
in
bloomington,
which
helps
everybody.
G
But
I
guess
my
question
was
about
reevaluating
it.
In
light
of
the
pandemic,
I
mean.
P
Yeah
I
mean
you
know,
that's
it's
I
I
think
the
jury
is
still
out.
We
have
some
visibility.
P
And
product
offering
or
at
least
supporting
it,
you
know
that's
taking
us
a
longer
time.
P
To
come
back,
they
are
seeing
it
grow
and
you
know
there's
some
speculation.
You
you.
P
Not
only
come
back
but
come
back
in
earnest
because
they're
so
desperate
to
go
see
other.
P
P
P
Not
really
people
will
travel,
you
know,
I
think
you
know
it's
it's.
What
we
want
to
do
is
be
as.
P
A
A
The
third
round
for
me:
it's
your
number
three.
Well,
I
didn't
see
any
other
takers,
so
I'm
gonna.
A
Go
with
you
sure
I
just
wanted
to
keep
following
up
a
little
bit
about
the
implementation
of
the.
K
Climate
action
plan-
it's
mentioned
a
10-year
timeline-
that
the
goal
is
to
achieve
actions.
K
By
2030,
but
we
have
three
phases
of
one
to
one
to
three
year:
sorry,
for
phase
one
two
to
five
year.
K
For
phase
two
and
four
to
eight
year
window
for
phase
three,
I
was
wondering
if
there's
action.
K
K
This
sort
of
hierarchy,
the
actions
are
sort
of
the
detailed
steps
programs,
for
instance,.
K
That
I
mentioned
a
couple
of
earlier:
do
you
have
any
sense,
mr
carly,
of
of
how
many.
P
P
P
P
As
needed
and
what
we
want
to
accomplish
and
then
and
then
you
know,
as
I
mentioned,
there's.
P
There's
a
dashboard
and
and
really
publishing
and
tracking
how
how
we
are
performing
against.
P
Again,
you
know
the
the
the
plan
does
not
say.
Okay,
one
department
is
in
charge
of
solving
this.
P
It
it's
really
a
communal
effort,
and
so
I
think
I
think
some
of
that
work
you
know,
will
will.
P
They
re-emerge
and
start
to
refocus
on
this,
but
you
know
we
look
forward
to
sitting.
P
Down
with
you
and
really
taking
you
through
that
and
and
detailing
that
out
for
you.
K
P
P
P
P
Can
do
to
try
to
get
people
to
change
their
behavior,
so
you
know
incentives
include.
P
Positive
ways
of
getting
people
to
do
it,
you
know
instituting
programs
or
helping
to
design
and.
P
P
P
Of
telework
as
a
viable
option
again
was
really
not
embraced
very
aggressively
by.
P
Understand
a
little
bit
better
coming
through
the
pandemic,
so
you've
got
that
kind
of
stuff.
On.
P
The
positive
on
the
negative,
you
know,
cost
of
parking
whether
you
know,
as
we
discussed
earlier.
P
P
What
are
the
dynamics,
and
how
do
we,
you
know,
can
we
adjust
parking
rates
to
disincentivize.
P
People
that
that
is
certainly
something
that
we
want
to
look
at
and
then
there's
communication.
P
How,
frankly
pleasant
and
easy
pre-pandemic
it
it
was
to
to
take
the
bus.
P
Software
products,
you
know
that
that
can
help
other
incentives
are
things
like.
P
Of
not
bringing
a
car
to
work
on
the
premise
that
they
will
be
unexpectedly
dependent
on
a
car.
At.
P
Some
point
during
the
day,
and
so
that
kind
of
program
can
really
help
to
alleviate
that
fear.
P
And
you
know,
and
and
create
some
incentive
for
people
to
try
alternative
means.
N
P
To
that
question
is,
and-
and
so
you
know,
we
have
not
at
this
point-
set
that
in
to
budgets.
P
But
but
certainly
you
know
it's
a
strong
tool
and-
and
I
would
not
leave
it
on
the
table.
E
Thanks
councilmember
smith.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
ms
crowley.
My
question
is:
I.
H
H
About
neighborhood
activity,
centers
and
kind
of
decentralizing,
some
of
the
commercial
activity.
H
And
commercial
development-
this,
in
my
mind,
would
help
with
expenditure
of
carbon.
H
It
would
help
with
the
transportation
demand
and
the
complexity
of
that
is
there
any
part
of.
H
P
So
I
totally
agree
with
the
the
premise
of
it
and
and
the
the
importance
of
having
those.
P
P
Whatever
right
from
the
corner
store-
and
we
don't
really
have
that-
we
have
a
concentrated.
P
Of
strategizing
of
that,
what
what
I
think
that
the
one
of
the
big
opportunities
in
2022
is
is.
P
Of
dollars
will
be
set
up
to
deliver
against
that
particular
element
in
the
comp
plan
is.
P
Engineering
or
or
you
know,
designed
by
planning
so
so
the
tdm
effort
is
not
meant
to
invest.
P
That's
basically
how
to
think
about
tdm.
So
you
know
tdm
could
be
looking
at
maybe
planning.
F
We
just
heard
an
announcement
for
indianapolis
that
indigo
has
just
funded
this
gotten.
P
I
mean
only
in
so
far
as
you
know.
If
it
is
a
helpful
and
an
important
investment,
we
will.
P
Means
and
it's
not
infrastructure
that
I
mean
it's
not
within
our
bailiwick
at
all,
to.
P
Set
up
transit
lines,
but,
on
the
other
hand,
we
we
do
get
heavily
involved
in
in
decisions.
P
F
Hearing
customer
rosenberger
asked
about
setting
parking
prices.
F
F
Among
which
departments
do
you
think
the
price
of
parking
in
various
modes
should
be
set.
R
Am
I
allowed
to
talk
here
are
mayor
griffin,
would
you
like
to
say
something
in
response.
R
Where
things
should
lie,
why
don't
we
stick
to
what
what
esd
and
what
they
do
with
all
due.
F
F
P
And
you
know
deputy
mayor
griffin
jump
in.
Ultimately,
it
is
set
by
the
parking
services
group.
P
Right
that
they
are
the
ones
who
set
parking
prices
now,
they're,
not
doing
it
in
isolation.
P
P
Making
the
case
for
what
that
might
look
like
working
with
them
to
figure
out
how
that
would.
P
F
You
I'll
have
further
questions
appreciate
it
very
good
council
president
sims.
Thank
you.
I
Thank
you,
mr
crowley,
for
your
presentation.
I
guess
first
thing
I
need
to
say:
is
we.
P
It's
sort
of
the
same
answer
as
what
I
just
gave
council
member
vol.
I
see
that
as
being
no
no.
I
No,
no,
that's
fine!
I
only
have
three
minutes,
so
I
just
kind
of,
but
you
did
mention
that.
I
Unwelcome
repercussions,
I
guess
my
question
is
as
part
of
that
plan
has
it
had
to
do
with.
I
Anything
with
surveying
or
vetting
with
the
employees
that
this
is
going
to
affect
most.
P
I
P
Plan
implementation
would
be
to
do
surveys.
I
think
there
it
would
be.
P
Worthwhile
to
do
a
survey
of
employees,
you
know,
and
some
of
the
repercussions
are
there.
P
P
I
Things
that
I
was
kind
of
getting
at
with
some
of
the
things
that
hadn't
been
discussed.
I
Overthinking
with
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing,
I
am-
and
I
agree
with
him-
I
also.
I
I
A
more
broader
platform,
a
more
regional
basis
is
it
your
office
or
who,
in
our
administration,.
I
I
A
more
regional
basis,
so
so
that
anything
that
we
may
gain
in
fact.
I
Makes
progress
from
that
climate
mitigation
standpoint?
I
think
the
short
answer
is
that
there.
P
That
process
with
employers
to
understand
issues
of
employee-
you
know
migration
and,
as
you.
P
P
A
But
we
were
also
talking
about
an
incubator
farm
as
a
leg
up
for.
A
Is
there
anything
to
say
on
that
front
right
now,
or
is
that
kind
of
shelved
right
now.
A
With
the
most
of
the
work
going
to
the
farm,
stop,
what
I
would
say
is
that
it's
very.
P
Much
a
goal
of
between
now
in
the
end
the
year
not
to
build
it,
but
to
really
investigate.
P
P
P
Resources
that
can
help
us
execute
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
potential
upside
and
and
possibility.
P
P
P
A
Okay,
we're
solid
second
round
questions.
I
think
if
anyone
else
would
like
to
pose
one
well.
A
F
Okay,
thank
you
small
question.
Is
there
going
to
be
a
sign.
P
F
Well,
you
know,
mr
griffin,
I
think
I'm
going
to
turn
to
you,
then,
because
you
know
I'm
trying
to.
F
F
The
cabinet
okay,
which
which
department
in
the
city,
if
not
mr
crowley's,
should
I
look
to
for.
R
R
Let's
keep
going
with
this,
mr
griffin,
I
would
like
to
have
to
be
able
to
at
least
ask
a.
F
Question
without
being
told
that
I
should
I
mean
I
appreciate
meeting
off
there,
but
I'm
trying
to.
F
K
I
would
like
to
ask
for
clarification
from
you
as
chair.
My
understanding
of
council
member.
K
At
hand
we
can
ask
it
if
the
administration
feels
it's
not,
they
can
decline.
To
answer
say.
K
I
I'm
a
little
worried
about
well,
I
think,
mr
I
I
think
deputy
mayor
griffin
has
said
that.
A
And
so
that
would
be
another
question
a
time
to
pose
it.
Just
in
the
interests
of
you
know,.
F
Is
public
transit
not
an
essential
component
of
economic
development?
Are
you
know
when
I
ask.
F
F
A
Think
the
administration
has
indicated
that
so
are
there
other
questions
we're
on
third
round
now.
N
P
P
P
You
know
in
speaking
with
wells
associates,
which
is
the
contractor
who
or
the
consultant
that.
P
P
P
P
So
it's
not
as
simple
as
me
saying:
oh
well,
just
look
at
the
plan
and
we're
going
to
do
x,
y.
P
P
You
know
or
introduced
different
programs
that
were
maybe
not
conceived
at
the
time
so.
N
G
Yes,
I
think
my
colleague
councilmember
volun
raised
an
interesting
question
and
I
wanted
to
ask.
G
G
P
An
economic
development
issue
right
so
I
mean
literally
right
so,
which
is
why
I
sort
of
half.
P
P
P
P
P
P
Equity,
so
there's
a
lot
of
benefit
to
a
really
robust
public
transit
system
and
and
and.
P
P
P
Of
the
city,
a
lot
of
really
positive
stuff,
and-
and
you
know,
I
think
it's
it's
our.
P
A
resistance
to
an
idea
that
that
we
have
raised
and
been
able
to
defend.
P
I
Want
to
get
back
into
the
question
we
were
talking
about
earlier,
and
I
know
this.
I
May
not
be
the
most
educated
way
to
look
at
this,
but
let's
say
in
my
neighborhood
I
compost.
I
I
Approach-
and
I
think
part
of
the
administration-
so
are
we
talking
with
people
in
in
regional
areas,.
I
Will
help
you
know,
get
to
the
goals
that
we're
seeking.
So
that
was
my
goal.
I
was
just
interested.
I
In
the
communication,
what
are
we
doing
as
far
as
establishing
these
these
communication.
P
P
Resources
all
the
better
we
do
sit
on
the
you
know,
environmental
commission,
for
the
county.
So
we.
P
I
mean
there's
interaction,
that's
happening,
but
we,
but
I
think
that
we
probably.
P
And
maybe
ways
to
to
implement
it,
they
can
teach
us
other
counties
in
the
same
way.
P
That
that,
with
with
few
exceptions,
we
probably
probably
are
further
ahead,
and
so
so
working
with.
P
A
Or
director
crowley,
okay,
councilman
volin
I'll.
Let
you
reclaim
your
time
so
go
ahead.
A
F
With
respect
to
the
discussion
about
parking
cash
out
in
your
experience,
have
you.
F
Had
do
you
have
direct
evidence
that
it
will
be
a
concern
for
employees
who
don't.
F
P
Go
find
out
how
real
it
is
to
your
point,
you
know,
is
it
just
rumor
or
is
it
actual
feedback.
P
That
information
would
be
really
helpful
and
if
we
discover
frankly
that
that
it
is.
P
Look
at
that
more
closely
and
again
by
we,
you
know
I
would.
I
would
emphasize
that
in
the
end.
P
P
Human
resources,
given
the
nature
of
how
this
is
this,
is
perceived
as
a
benefit
sure,
of
course,.
F
Either
you
or
mr
underwood,
or
or
other
people
who
are
thinking
about
perhaps
ms
shaw
in
hr,
like.
F
P
P
To
your
bigger
point,
a
good
survey
doesn't
lead
the
witness
right.
So
you
know
you
need
to
ask.
P
P
Impossible
to
do
well,
but
but
it
could
very
well
be
that
that
corresponding
department
heads.
A
Thank
you.
We've
concluded
our
third
round
of
questions,
so
let's
go
now
to
the
public.
A
I
see
that
we
have
a
couple
hands
of
hands
raised.
Mr
lucas,
yes,
I
believe
first
up
is
greg.
O
O
O
A
Councilmember
flaherty.
Yes,
thanks
again,
mr
crowley
for
presentation.
K
And
thank
you
for
answering
our
questions.
I've
I've
got
some
pretty
serious
concerns.
K
About
a
lot
of
things,
I've
heard
in
this
budget
presentation
and
through
the.
A
I
don't
see
any
hands:
okay,
councilmember.
F
F
This
discussion
turned
out.
I
actually
appreciated
the
answers
that
mr
crowley
gave.
F
All
relevant
and
I
resent
being
interrupted
to
be
told
that
I'm
you
know
out
of
my.
F
Out
of
my
area
and
asking
these
questions,
it
is
relevant.
We
did
debate
the
location
of.
F
Now
mr
crowley
knows,
for
example,
that
I
am
an
advocate
of
the
convention
center.
He
would
also.
F
F
Later
but
mr
alexander
is
right,
our
budget
is
our
priorities
and
what
I
have
not
heard,
what
I've.
F
F
Answer
on
parking
cash
out
between
mr
crowley
and
mr
underwood.
There's
that
all
sorts
of.
F
F
F
Say,
for
you
know
the
cable,
the
streetcar
system
I
talked
about
more
than
a
decade
ago,.
F
N
N
N
N
N
N
G
Yes,
thank
you,
and
I
want
to
thank
mr
crowley
and
his
colleagues.
G
G
And
we
need
to
be
steadfast
in
attaining
the
goals
that
are
outlined
in
our
sustainability.
G
Plan
and
our
climate
action
plan.
So
given
the
the
lack
of
details
and
the
lack
of
action
on.
H
Thank
you.
I
I'm
I'm
somewhat
troubled
by
the
lack
of
detail
as
well,
and
I
I
think.
H
What
my
colleagues
are
advocating
for,
and
so
I'm
going
to
be
a
note
tonight
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
My
colleagues,
if
they're
they
don't
they're
concerned
about
parking
cash
out,
for
instance,.
A
I
think
that
you
answered
that
that's
a
complex
issue
that
needs
to
be
essentially
addressed.
A
A
And
so
I
think
that's
a
fair
answer
and
I
think
you'll
be
doing
that.
I
I
appreciate
your
efforts.
A
A
Almost
20
years
ago,
when
we
were
discussing
where
to
place
the
focus
of
sustainability.
A
And
it
seemed
to
be
best
placed
within
economic
development
where
it
was
totally
absent
before
so.
K
K
Director
level
climate
director
position,
I
think
I've
bungled
all
of
that
director
level.
K
Public
and
private
stakeholders
in
our
city,
in
our
county
in
our
state,
all
of
that's
correct.
K
K
K
G
I,
if
I
remember
correctly
councilmember
rollo
and
I
both
urged
mayor
kruzan
at
the
time.
G
I
think,
as
council
member
flaherty
has
said,
it
has
only
become
more
important
since
then.
G
And
that
we
have
a
focus
on
climate
action,
and
so
I
think
I
believe
last
year
we
talked
about.
G
G
This
should
be
a
cabinet
level
position,
not
that
I
have
any
lack
of
respect
for
for.
G
Mr
crowley,
I
think
he
is
dedicated
to
the
issue.
I
think
he's
a
professional
and
has
done
a
very.
G
Good
job,
but
that
this
is
just
an
area
that
is
of
such
vital
importance
that
we
really
must.
G
Elevate
that
position
and
have
more
staff
time
dedicated
to
this
topic.
Thank
you.
A
J
Thank
you
to
my
colleagues.
This
has
been
really
helpful
for
me
and
really
muddling
for
me
at.
J
The
same
time
in
thinking
about
this
issue,
I'm
going
to
abstain
tonight
and
here's.
Why.
F
Yes,
I
want
to
say
three
things.
First
of
all,
with
all
due
respect,
mr
chair,
unlike
the.
F
F
President
and
past
administrations
have
set
for
it
and
that
that's
one
reason
why
it's
unable
to.
F
Address
the
issue
and
not
directly
address
people.
Secondly,
mr
allo,
as
you
know,
you're
the.
F
Chair
of
the
meeting
here,
but
I
would
point
out
that
it
was
your
extraordinary
action
in
2019.
F
That
brought
the
the
tear
down
and
rebuild
of
the
fourth
street
garage.
F
You
have
about
the
adequacy
or
lack
thereof,
of
the
the
department's
performances
presented.
F
Finally-
and
I
think
I've
already
forgotten,
the
third
point
I
wanted
to
make,
but.
F
You
know
the
I've
I
lost
my
third
point.
It
was
a
good
one
and
I
can't
think
of
it.
F
I
appreciate
the
comments
that
I've
heard
from
everybody
else
and
I
would
urge
us
all
to.
F
To
try
to
remember
that
this
is
this,
this
not
and
shouldn't
be
about.
I
mean,
however,
much.
F
Of
what
you
know
what
I,
what
activity
should
be
in
what
department,
as
I
see
fit?
Thank
you.
A
Yes
and
I
will
vote
yes,
so
that's
three,
yes,
five,
no
and
one
abstention.
A
Mr
crowley,
thank
you
so
much
for
this
lengthy
presentation
and
debate.
I
appreciate
your.