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A
A
A
I
believe
that
we
have
mr
connor
heterich
or
hederic
that
will
be
presenting
tonight
and.
B
I'm
here
good
evening,
council
members
good
evening.
Are
you
ready
to
go.
A
You
can
go
with
item
number
one,
which
appears
to
be
the
course
building.
Thank
you.
A
The
floor
is
yours
all
right,
so
jordan's
2104,
the
core
hospital
hospital
building.
B
It
is
located
on
the
northwest
corner
here
of
the
intersection
of
rogers
and
first
street.
B
With
the
rest
of
the
hospital
site
there,
so
that's
the
reason
that
was
not
in
the
ordinance.
B
So
let
me
delve
into
the
historical
significance
here.
B
B
So
the
first
hospital
in
bloomington
was
established
thanks
to
the
efforts
of
the.
B
Local
council
of
women,
which
consisted
of
the
leaders
of
various
civic
clubs
in
the
city.
B
B
B
Of
a
two-story
10
room,
brick
italian,
eight
style,
farmhouse,
complete
with
a
barn
and
four
acres.
B
B
B
B
Art
deco
style
buildings
outside
the
courthouse
square
area.
The
building
was
designed.
B
The
elks
building
the
iu
simon
music
center.
B
And
the
first
citizens,
trust
which
was
located
on
the
west
side
of
the
square.
B
B
Empire
state
building
our
deco
buildings
have
a
sleek
linear
appearance
with
stylized
kind
of.
B
Geometric
ornamentation
or
motifs
you
can
see
here
actually
on
the
core
building
the.
B
Block
glaze,
brick
or
in
the
case
of
bloomington,
go
figure
limestone,
other
notable
art,
deco
style.
B
So
the
core
building,
you
know,
while
certainly
a
very
refined
expression.
B
Of
art
deco,
it
still
expresses
the
art
deco
elements
in
the
style
in
a
few
different
ways.
B
It
has
the
bold
massing
and
vertical
emphasis.
The
smooth
limestone
finish
and
ornamented,
with.
B
C
Thanks
connor,
can
you
hear
me
okay?
Yes,
we
can
right
connor
if
you
can
stop
sharing.
C
C
Three
minute
overview
of
our
process
in
thinking
about
the
building's
future.
C
And
and
updated
them,
and
I
will
update
you
with
the
same
information
about
the
due
diligence
that.
C
Taken
down,
which
will
which
gives
us
actually
some
urgency
of
timing,
that
we
need
to
be
aware
of.
C
And
I'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit,
but
basically
the
master
plan
as
you'll
see
on
the
right.
C
Suggested
there
might
be
an
option
moving
forward
to
reuse
the
building
in
different.
C
And
interesting
ways
which
may
actually
require
an
addition
on
the
back
and
that's
what's.
C
Pictured
here,
which
will
be
really
determined
by
the
by
the
process
of
of
adaptive,
reuse,.
C
We
did
some
preliminary
discussions
with
with
different
types
of
developers.
We
talked.
C
We
took
a
look
at
what
the
what
the
commercial
reuse
might
be
for
the
building
that,
frankly,.
C
Unlikely
outcome
for
the
building:
instead,
what
what
the
community,
the
development
community.
C
Suggested
was
that
this
could
potentially
be
a
reused
for
affordable
housing
of
some
sort.
C
In
order
to
do
that,
the
addition
would
actually
create
construction
efficiencies,
which
is
why.
C
Because
the
the
the
demolition
of
the
of
the
remaining
portions
of
the
hospital
will.
C
C
Into
its
next
life,
in
order
to
do
that,
it
is
our
plan
to
put
together
an
rfq
or.
C
Or
an
rfi,
so
a
request
for
qualifications
or
requests
for
information
to
to
to
to
get
this.
C
Building
opportunity
out
into
the
marketplace
and
see
what
kind
of
responses
we
get.
C
Path
of
the
affordable
housing
reuse
there
there's
actually
some
points
that
become
added.
C
Partner
that
is
able
to
do
something
with
this
building,
and
so
we
may
need
to
come
back
to
you.
C
Recommendation,
obviously
demolition
is
the
worst
case
scenario
and
it's
not
one.
We
at
all.
C
Would
like
to
pursue
in
any
way,
and
especially
now.
But
we
also
recognize
that
if
there
is
no.
C
Partner
that
is
identified,
we
don't
want
to
have
a
an
empty
building
just
sitting
there.
C
Our
intention
to
go
to
the
market
aggressively
on
this
building,
we've
gotten
anecdotal
and
verbal.
C
C
Housing
development
community
that
that
haven't
expressed
an
interest
so
we're
confident
that
we.
C
Can
at
least
get
their
attention
and
we
will
seek
to
get
to
a
decision
by
the
end
of
this
year.
C
C
C
Remainder
of
the
site,
we
would
have
an
expensive
price
tag
associated
with
that
decision.
C
So
I'll
pause
there
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you,
mr
crowley.
Now
we.
A
C
C
C
C
The
alternative
would
be
to
say,
we've
exhausted
the
search
and
at
the
time
that
the
remaining.
C
Buildings
on
the
site
are
demolished
that
we
would.
We
would
need
to
come
back
to
you
with.
C
Because
my
boss,
the
mayor,
was
born
in
that
building,
but
it's
you
know.
It's
certainly.
C
One
of
those
things
that
we
have
to
consider
there
are
a
lot
of
stories
of
buildings
left
over.
D
May
I
ask
a
follow-up
question:
please
do
so
if
we
were
to
designate
that
does
not
preclude.
C
Right
and
maybe
I
can
let
conor
speak
to
the
details
of
that
conor-
you
still.
A
Mr
rallo,
please,
following
up
on
that,
so
it
is
the
historic
preservation
commission's.
E
The
decision
to
demolish
yeah
one
once
a
building
is
officially
designated.
You
know
which
is
done.
B
By
the
council,
once
it's
designated,
any
decision
for
demolition
strictly
goes
to
the.
B
E
Sure
go
ahead,
mr
smith,
please
do
mr
crowley.
What
is
the
integrity
of
the
building.
C
Yeah
so-
and
I
think
there
might
be
some
documentation
in
the
packet
related
to
some.
C
C
It's
complicated
because
you
know
there
there's
been
some
use
of
things
like
asbestos
and.
C
You
know
there
it's
it's
not
easy
to
to
reconfigure
the
interior,
as
as
one
might
be
able.
C
Some
options,
so
so
it's
complicated
it's
expensive.
It's
not
an
easy
adaptive
reuse,
but
it's
not.
E
The
rfr
will
include
other
possibilities.
Is
that
correct.
C
Other
options-
and
so
you
know
if
there
is
a
a
use
that
we
can
envision,
we
do
want
to
cast
it.
C
A
Further
questions
from
council,
mr
sims,
thank
you,
mr
crowley.
If,
for
some
reason,
the
decision
is.
F
Made
to
demolish
this
building
sometime
later
on,
would
that
be
part
of
the
agreement.
We've
got.
F
C
The
decision
point
deadline,
which
currently
is,
I
think,
the
end
of
this
year,
then
that
would
it.
G
And
then,
in
that
case,
is
there
going
to
be
any
kind
of
reports
coming
forward
as
to
what.
G
G
Mean
it's
difficult
enough
to
find
partners
who
who
are
able
to
help
us
through
subsidies.
G
And
tax
credits
and
and
those
those
sorts
of
mechanisms,
so
is,
has
that
been
considered
as
well.
G
C
The
question
is:
even
if
there
is
affordable
housing
going
up
elsewhere,
what
is
possible.
C
Tax
credits,
for
example,
which
make
a
project
more
viable,
so
you
know
I
think,
as.
G
C
C
C
H
H
What
health
care
looked
like
at
the
time
I
haven't
found
anything
that
would
speak
to.
B
D
Yes,
I
wanted
to
inquire
whether
it
would
be
possible
for
the
city
council.
D
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
question
for
our
council
attorney
or.
I
D
D
I
Hederich
can
speak
to
any
any
sense
of
urgency
on,
on
his
end
sure,
so
in
a
demolition
delay.
B
B
B
B
So
there
is
no,
you
know,
ticking
time
bomb,
as
you
might
allude
to
at
the
moment.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
C
Extra
points
for
that,
so
that's
the
upside.
I
think
really
the
downside
and
I
say.
C
This
painfully
as
a
history
major
is
that
the
is
that
the
designation
does
limit
external.
C
Work
that
can
be
done
to
the
building
right,
it's
sort
of
it
and
conor
can.
C
It
does,
you
know,
rightfully
protect
the
exterior
of
the
building,
which
probably
has.
C
An
effect
on
the
the
development
options
that
would
be
available,
so
I
think
that
that's.
G
My
understanding
is
the
historic
commission
does
work
very
well.
I
mean
if
there
are
things.
G
G
G
G
Faces
the
the
street
is
that
correct?
Mr
hurry,
you
are
correct:
councilmember
sandberg,
you
know.
B
Where
most
of
the
changes
are
going
to
happen,
the
hpc
has
no
purview
over
that,
and
and
from
my.
B
Experience
the
hpc
is
very
willing
to
work
with
parties
who
you
know
have
needs
to
be
met
so.
B
In
this
case,
if
we
need
to
make
it
adaptive,
you
know
low-income
housing,
the
hpc
would
be
willing.
B
G
A
If
we
go
along
this
path,
where
we're
checking
into
whether
we
have
interest
from
developers.
A
Or
somebody
who
might
be
able
to
do
affordable
housing
and
we
we
don't
get
any
takers.
C
C
Were
not
adequate
or
by
people
that
we
thought
could
actually
do
a
you
know
a
job,
a
good
job.
C
A
A
Need
to
make
that
by
november
is
there
a
certain
lead
time
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
that.
C
I'm
I
think
that
I
don't
know
the
exact
answer,
the
if
there's
a
specific
date.
That's.
C
Been
enumerated
in
the
contract,
a
date
of
of
you
know
beyond
which
a
sort
of
go
no-go
date.
C
December,
you
know,
because
I
think
demolition
really
doesn't
start
in
earth
until
of
long
year.
C
C
A
good
accurate
estimate,
you
know,
there's
a
possibility
it
could.
It
could
be
something
less.
C
Than
that
but
but
but
I
think
that
that's
a
safe
number
to
work
with
right
now.
Thank
you.
C
And
as
opposed
to
a
specific
medical
use,
but
I
will
I
will
chase
that
down
and
get
back
to
you.
C
On
that,
thank
you,
mr
flaherty,
and
then
mr
sims
and
then
mr
bolin.
What
point
of
information
I
just.
J
That
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
flaherty
sure
thank
you
good
staff,
maybe
mr
herderrich,
but.
K
Whoever,
actually
mr
crowley
you're
welcome
as
well,
but
could
you
help
clarify
for
me.
K
Maybe
the
difference
between
staff
recommendation
versus.
K
The
staff
report
in
the
materials
and
what
your
recommendation
is
saying
it
seems
like
at
the.
K
K
What
you
think
you
know
what
the
historic
preservation
commission
thinks.
This
means.
K
To
to
consider
designation
and
then
there's
a
page
in
our
packet,
I
think
it's
32.
It.
K
Designating
this
or
does
it
simply,
is
it
more
of
a
mechanical,
the
historic
preservation
commission.
K
Found
that
it
met
a
you
know,
a
criterium
in
each
category,
that's
necessary,
so
it's
met.
K
The
minimum
we
are
forwarding
and
that's
the
extent
of
the
you
know,
sort
of
normative.
K
Element
of
of
staff's
role-
I
guess
I'm
not
a
hundred
percent
clear
kind
of
yeah
who
who's.
K
Recommending
what
and
and
who's
made
what
determinations
can
you
help
walk
me
through
that.
B
B
Preservation
program
manager,
so
you
know
in
that
role
I
evaluated
the
core
building.
B
That
it
does
meet
those
criteria
listed
in
title
8
to
be
locally
designated.
You
know,
and
that's.
B
B
Mine
is
purely
from
historic
preservation
standpoint
and
that's
my
professional
opinion.
K
Okay,
if
I
could
follow
up,
maybe
on
a
related
thread,
is
that
is
it
the
position
of
staff.
K
That
if
staff
or
historic
preservation
commission
determines
that
at
least
one
criterium
is.
K
Met
in
each
category
historic
and
architectural
that
that
should
automatically
lead
to
designation.
K
Economic
viability
of
a
building,
for
instance,
or
how
strongly
we,
as
council
members,
felt
like.
K
Those
those
criteria
were
really
met.
For
instance,
there's
one
criteria
that,
owing.
K
Familiar
visual
feature:
that's
f,
that's
not
invoked
here,
but
that
strikes
me
as
almost
like.
K
A
truism,
if
something's
been
around
a
long
time
it's
familiar
and
established
you
know
so
I'm.
K
Just
I'm
just
not
that
I'm
against
designating
this
building,
I'm
just
trying
to
really.
K
Dig
in
a
little
bit
to
what
our
guidance
should
be
and
and
does
staff
ever
say,
yeah.
B
The
latter,
you
know,
always
designate
if
you
think
it
meets
the
criteria,
because
you
know
it.
B
That
that
is
my
job,
and
that
is
the
hpc's
job
to
think
about
that,
and
that
only
you
know,
that's.
B
B
Financial,
you
know
feasibility
and
things
like
that
and
and
social
impact.
You
know
that
that's.
B
When
choosing
to
designate
but
myself
as
staff
in
the
historic
preservation,
commission
really
are.
K
K
The
presentation
is
that
you're,
looking
at
some
other
factors
and
in
advising
the
council
on.
K
These
types
of
decisions
do
other
city
staff.
Members,
then,
like
yourself
in
this
case,
think.
K
K
We
see
you
know
some
of
those
trade-offs
that
were
just
discussed,
reflected
in
in
just.
C
So
I
I
think
the
way
I
would
answer,
that
is
to
say
that
I
don't
think
anybody
wants.
C
But
on
the
other
hand,
I
also
and-
and
we
would
be
thinking
about
you
know
what
what's.
C
C
C
Trying
it's
it's
a
beautiful
building.
It
has
some
potential,
let's
see
what
we
can
do
with
it.
C
F
F
We
know
the
extent
of
any
type
of
toxic
material
such
as
asbestos
or
anything
like.
F
Construction,
I
mean:
have
we
tested
anything
at
all,
there's
been
some
work
done
actually
by
iu.
C
C
C
C
F
An
exhaustive
and
expensive
asbestos
abatement
process:
how
would
that
affect
the
rfqs
or
rfis.
F
The
developers
would
it
be
city
in
order
to
make
the
building
ready
for
better
for
reuse.
F
C
I
understand
what
you're
saying
I
so
the
to
the
answer.
The
first
question
I
mean
in
the
end.
C
The
extent
necessary
to
make
this
thing
viable
in
order
for
a
development
to
come
in
a
developer.
C
C
Of
the
building-
and
you
know
that
that
will
be
information
that
we
get
back
from
the
process.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
I
have
one
more
question,
chair
smith,
if
I
may-
and
this
may
be,
I
think
it's.
F
F
Wondering
who
or
how
was
this
ordinance
initiated?
Was
it
staff
and
then
discussions
with
hpc.
F
F
And
then
initiation
sure,
so
if
my
memory
serves
me
correctly.
B
The
the
a
member
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
brought
it
up
at
a
meeting.
B
Just
to
investigate
its
potential
for
historic
designation,
so
I
acted
at
the
request
of
a.
A
Thank
you
very
much
any
other
questions
from
council,
mr
piedmont,
smith,.
D
D
Change
their
mind
down
the
road,
that's
a
great
point
to
bring
up,
and
you
know
something
I.
B
B
Commissioners
on
the
hpc
who
definitely
understand
the
financial
side
of
things.
B
And
would
be
willing
to
consider
such
a
request,
so
I
I
personally
do
not
think
that
it
is.
B
A
I
don't
know
who
should
answer
that.
Maybe
mr
lucas.
A
So
that
we
don't
put
the
historic
preservation
commission
into
disallowing
demolition
towards.
A
With
ordinance
2104,
yes
and
again,
I
I
think
tonight
the
appropriate
motions
for
the.
I
Committee
to
consider
would
be
either
a
do
pass
recommendation.
And
if,
if
the
committee
was.
I
You
are
here
tonight,
but
at
the
regular
session
there
would
need
to
be
a
motion
to
postpone.
I
And
a
discussion
of
when
that
would
be
so
tonight.
I
think
if
the
committee's
not
ready.
I
To
recommend
passage,
the
appropriate
way
forward
would
be
to
recommend
to
recommend.
C
C
Potentially
designatable,
if
you
will
and
that
that
somehow
that
be
accomplished
in
advance
of.
C
That
there's
viability
for
low-income
housing,
tax
credits
in
advance
of
actually
going
through.
A
Great,
maybe
that
is
something
you
might
have
ready
for
us.
A
Next
council
meeting,
when,
whenever
we
entertain
this,
yes,
I
oh
thank
you.
K
Thank
you.
I
appreciate,
I
think
I
think
we've
asked
a
number
of
questions
kind
of
relating
to.
K
And
I
appreciate
mr
hurdrich's
answer
to
councilmember
piedmont
smith
about.
K
And
the
understanding
among
historic
preservation,
commission
members
that
there
is.
K
Sometimes
a
need
for
that.
I
wanted
to
point
out
and
and
confirm
that
I'm
understanding
correctly.
K
K
So
it
seems
like
if,
for
some
reason
you
know,
the
council
felt
that
we
had
forced
the.
K
City
to
take
on
a
financial
liability
and
the
historic
preservation
commission.
K
Be
a
mechanism
to
do
that
again:
sort
of
a
lot
of
eventualities
but
just
to
put
people's
minds
at.
K
Ease
about
not
taking
on
a
liability,
we
don't
mean
to
just
because
we
don't
know
enough
yet.
K
Is
is
my:
is
that
depiction
accurate,
mr
hurt
rich?
Does
that
I
don't
know
how.
B
That
allows
the
demolition
of
a
building
to
go
forward
without
a
coa,
so
it's
8.12.010.
B
D
factors
for
allowing
demolition
without
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
The
commission.
B
B
E
A
The
excellent
question:
do
I
have
any
other
comments
or
shall
we
go
to
the
public.
A
All
right
tell
me
counsel
the
the
whole
tell
me,
mr
lucas,
how
long.
I
It's
up
to
you
as
chair.
Perhaps
you
could
see
how
many
folks
like
to
comment
on
the.
I
A
Comment
on
this
specific
ordinance,
please
raise
your
hand
and
or
indicate
to
mr
lucas
and.
I
I
I
A
L
A
Mr
lucas,
if
you'd
like
to
yes
next
is
mark
delos
and
I
apologize
if
I
mispronounce
your
name.
M
That's
all
right,
my
name
is
mark
delasse.
I
am
vice
president
of
indiana
landmarks
and.
M
M
M
M
To
just
from
the
standpoint
of
our
organization,
echo
connor,
herter
itch's
comments
to
you
all.
M
In
terms
of
his
report
on
this,
the
core
building's
significance
on
the
basis
of
its
historic
and.
M
M
To
to,
I
guess,
designate
the
building
as
a
local
landmark
in
the
city
of
bloomington.
I
think
that.
M
M
M
That
does
bring
a
20
historic
tax
credit
to
the
mix
as
a
funding
source
for
developers
in.
M
Addition
to
the
low-income
housing
tax
credits,
so
these
are
significant
incentives
for
developers.
M
M
I
do
want
to
just
point
out,
I
know
I'm
running
out
of
time,
but
I
don't
agree
with
mr
crowley's.
M
Happen
to
that
site
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
dallas.
Anyone
else
out
there,
mr
lucas.
I
Yes,
chris
shouldn't
be
able
to
unmute
himself.
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
Put
together
historic
tax
credits,
I've
talked
to
the
state,
the
state
guy
about
this,
and
he
said.
N
N
A
N
A
And
anyone
else,
mr
mr
lucas.
A
All
right
is
there
a
motion
from
their
final
comments
from.
A
Commission
members,
council,
members,
sorry
sambar,
I
would
just
follow
up
on
one
of
the.
G
G
If
that
would
be
mr
crowley
and
then
the
other
question
had
to
do
with
being,
I
believe.
G
G
Living
in
this
building
is
guaranteed
that
they're
not
going
to
get
sick
from
living.
There.
C
Yes,
so
let
me
speak
to
both
of
those
points:
affordability,
as
as,
as
the
as
ms
goodman,
I.
C
Think
it
was
proposed
is
obviously
a
spectrum,
and
so
if
you,
if
you
are
working
in
the
world.
C
In
that
particular
world,
it's
pretty
prescribed.
If
you
go
outside
of
that
world,
then
it
does.
C
C
Need
to
make
the
building
survive
as
to
the
as
to
the
transparency
around
the
building.
C
Itself,
certainly,
you
know
it
would
not
be
in
the
community
interest
at
all
to
in
any
way.
C
C
That
is
public
information
in
the
event
that
that
would
happen,
but
you
know
again,
I
don't
think.
C
A
E
Proceed
with
the
designation,
it
seems
to
me
that
this
is
a
significant
structure.
E
See
that
you
know
onerous
hurdles
being
presented
in
terms
of
redevelopment,
and
I.
E
E
E
Proceed
with
the
designation
and
then
allow
mr
crowley
and
his
street
team
and
the
others
to.
A
Thank
you
further
comments
from
council
members.
G
Very
little
downside
I
think
we
do
have
some
safeguards.
Should
the
process
for
finding.
G
An
appropriate
reuse
are
are
not
successful,
I'm
hoping
that
they
are.
This
is
a
rich
building.
G
With
a
rich
history,
I
do
appreciate
the
reference
to
the
the
women
who
were
so
instrumental.
G
You
know,
even
even
in
contemporary
times
until
the
hospital
of
course
was
transferred
over
into.
G
D
A
redevelopment
partner
who
would
you
know,
redevelop
the
project
in
a
way.
That's.
D
Mr
hurderich,
and
from
my
colleague
mr
flaherty,
that
there
is
there
are
provisions
in
city
code.
A
Have
any
final
comments
before
we
go
to
vote
on
the
do
pass
recommendation.
A
A
Mr
raleigh
you're
frozen
yeah.
Oh
there
you
are
mr
vollen.
A
The
do
pass
on
court
building
historic
designation
passes
zero.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Mr
henrich,
if
you
want
to
wind
us
up,
do
it
again
all
righty.
Let
me
just
share
a
screen
here.
B
Four:
two:
four
and
a
half
south
walnut
street
on
august
13
2020,
the
structure
went
through
a.
B
B
B
So
you
can
see
here
where
it
is
located.
The
building
we
were
talking
about
and
just.
B
B
B
By
south
walnut
street
captain
isaac
mitchell
was
a
civil
war
veteran.
He
had
10
children,
nine.
B
B
B
B
Lot
20
from
his
brother
stanley
in
1923
tax
records
indicate
the
lot
at
that
time
had
a
land.
B
B
The
lot
20
from
the
abrams
in
1925
and
started
construction,
the
1925
to
26
city
directory.
B
B
B
B
Here
it's
also
marked
with
the
builder's
name.
It's
something
that
mitchells
have
done
on
these.
B
B
1930S
picture
that
m
does
exist
on
there.
Also
charlie
boxman,
who
was
the
son
of
henry
boxman.
B
Actually
lived,
moved
there
in
1928
and
charlie
stated
that
the
m
emblazoned
on
the
upper
part
of.
B
The
original
brick
facade
stands
for
mitchell.
The
property
meets
the
architectural
criteria,
2g.
B
Because
it's
form
architectural
features
and
building
materials.
You
know
whether
it's.
B
B
Building
in
its
current
form,
existed
in
1925..
Let
me
go
back
the
1927
sanborn
fire
and
insurance.
B
Map
the
building
is
outlined
in
red
here.
It
depicts
a
building
divided
into
three
different.
B
Sections
with
three
separate
addresses
the
map
indicates
that
the
building
was.
B
Offices
on
the
first
floor
and
a
dwelling
on
the
second
floor,
so
you
know
you
can
see
a
better.
B
Just
served
a
commercial
purpose
and
two-part
commercial
blocks
were
two
stories
and.
B
B
That
south
walnut
corridor-
it's
purposeful,
you
know
it.
It
was
intended
to
impart
a
sense.
B
Of
importance
and
grandeur
kind
of
while
hiding
a
humble
wooden
frame
to
further
highlight.
B
B
A
square
front
gabled
wood
vestibule,
was
constructed
in
the
1930s.
You
can
see
it
here.
B
B
Then
fashionable
and
now
iconic
streamlined,
modern
style
and
to
me
this
festival
is
really.
B
The
property
meets
criteria
1a,
which
is
history
because
of
its
association
with
henry
boxman.
B
He
was
born
in
1903
on
a
farm
near
columbus
indiana.
He
was
one
of
ten
children
seems
to.
B
Be
a
common
factor
of
people
born
back
then
at
least
rural
areas.
His
mother
actually
died.
B
When
he
was
two,
he
was
forced
to
quit
school
at
13,
when
his
older
sister
left
home
his
father
died.
B
B
To
assistant
divisional
manager,
by
the
time
he
was
25.
so
and
it
was
when
he
was
25,
they
decided.
B
B
Boxman
initially
expanded
upon
the
short
order
idea
with
innovative
curbside
service,
and
I.
B
B
And
he
rebranded,
as
boxman's
restaurant,
that
same
year
to
celebrate
the
fourth
anniversary.
B
B
Heating
boiler
in
bloomington.
He
also
had
the
first
neon
sign
now
when
the
sign
was
initially.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
Which
you
know
hurt
him
financially,
because
it
was
the
busiest
day
of
the
week
in
volume
and.
B
Sales
but
allowed
him
to
save
his
ration
food.
So
not
only
were
citizens,
you
know
given
stamps.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
Week
magazine
an
article
titled
chow
in
a
college
town
paddleford
wrote
that
motor
tourists.
B
B
B
B
That
organization's
hall
of
fame,
carolyn
telford
said
it
best
in
her
1989
herald
telephone.
B
B
B
B
Interest
even
locally
here
in
bloomington
today,
you
know,
I
think
this
is
likely
due
to
his
career.
B
Choice:
the
food
industry-
you
know
restaurants
tend
to
be
fleeting,
certainly
as
we've
seen.
B
A
couple
decades,
although
you
know
some,
do
manage
to
make
it
quite
a
long
time.
You
know
as
a.
B
So,
just
to
recap
again,
it
meets
these
three
criteria
for
designation.
A
Thank
you
very
much
council
members
who
has
a
question.
A
Miss
gambellary,
thank
you
just
a
minor
question
and
then
a
couple
larger
ones
in
the
1950s
image.
B
Didn't
catch
it,
but
I
talked
to
charlie
boxman,
who
was
the
son
of
henry
and
was
an
iu
student.
B
B
Appear
in
that
photo
okay,
that
was
mostly
just
curiosity
on
my
part.
Could
you
comment
what.
H
B
Some
other
members
of
the
community
out
there
that
know,
but-
and
I
think
this
is
a
flawed-
I
think.
H
H
H
Boxman
so
so,
given
the
kinds
of
discussions
iu
is
going
through
and
a
lot
of
other
organizations.
H
About
naming,
I'm
wondering
what
else
we
know
about
mr
boxman,
and
in
particular
I
know
that.
B
When
I
was
doing
the
research,
it's
something
that
I
decided
to
leave
out
in
my
staff
report.
B
Segregation
or
catering
to
a
whites,
only
trade,
you
know
what
I'll
say
about
that
is
that.
B
B
B
B
Also
meets
the
architectural
criteria
for
its
association,
with
a
distinctive
style.
H
G
Do
you
have
any
knowledge
of
the
current
owner
of
the
building?
Of
course
we
do
know
they.
G
G
Charm
and
the
you
know,
the
the
street
level
aspect
of
the
design
of
their
building.
G
Wonderful
question,
so
what
designation
would
do
is
prevent
the
demolition
of
that
beautiful.
B
Facade
and
the
the
property
owner
would
then
have
to
incorporate
that
facade
in
whatever
plans.
B
They
have
for
the
new
building.
I
know
with
discussions
that
we
had
during
hpc
meetings.
B
B
Facade
remained
along
south
walnut
because
of
its
you
know,
architectural.
You
know
uniqueness.
G
B
G
A
F
Thank
you,
I
don't
know
if
it's
proper,
but
I
was
just
wondering.
F
Is
there
a
representative
of
the
petitioners
here
today.
F
F
Sandberg
and
the
structure,
the
soundness,
the
integrity
of
the
structure
inside
and
obviously.
F
I
think
so
I
was
just
wanting
to
know
more
about
the
integrity
of
the
building
structurally.
P
P
Yeah,
my
name
is
josh
alley.
A-L-L-E-Y.
P
P
Wanted
to
buy
it,
tear
it
down
that
wasn't
our
initial
purpose.
It
wasn't
until
actually,
we.
P
P
That
have
done
a
lot
of
buildings
like
this
in
the
past
and
restorations
for
us
until
they.
P
P
Ultimately,
where
we
we
kind
of
ended
up
here,
the
building
has
changed
over
time.
I
mean.
P
P
P
P
P
P
We
struggled
here
recently
trying
to
keep
the
homeless
out
of
there.
I
know
we've
had
the
police.
P
P
P
Unstable,
but
I
also
know
that
homeless
keep
breaking
in
and
so
you
know
that's
that's
been.
P
A
worry
of
ours,
you
know
from
the
property
owner's
standpoint,
but
to
address
a
couple
of
conor's.
P
Points
earlier
guys,
I
had
bill
begs,
run
a
title
search
and
actually
found
a
deed.
You
know.
P
P
P
Those
those
conversations
were,
the
other
thing
is,
if
you.
P
If
you
sorry,
I
lost
my
train
of
thought,
but.
A
K
Early
in
the
presentation
for
mr
herter
rich
that
this
was
initially
brought
to
the.
K
Hpc
through
the
demolition
delay
process,
which
is,
I
think,
an
important
part
of
our.
K
Unified
development
ordinance-
that
is
a
little
invoked
and
not
often
understood
by.
K
K
A
historic
or
conservation
district
there's
this
permitting
process
by
where
we
consider.
K
K
Packet,
if
mr
herders
could
estimate
estimate
how
frequently
contributing
structures
that
are.
K
B
Not
very
visibly
publicly
visible
a
lot
of
times
tucked
into
you,
know,
neighborhoods
and
and.
B
Things
like
that,
so
so
the
hbc
recommended
designation
of
a
contributing
building
is
really.
B
Quite
rare,
however,
you
know
this
in
this
case
it
was
a
full
demolition
and
title
20
says.
B
B
B
Building
like
this
one
on
on
south
walnut
main
artery
of
the
city,
I
think
takes
on
a
little.
B
More
importance
and
significance
to
the
sort,
preservation,
commission
and
as
well
when
people.
B
Are
rating
these
structures,
architectural
historians,
are
writing
these
structures.
B
B
Deferred
maintenance.
I
think
that
was
what
led
to
the
determination
of
contributing
in
this
case.
Q
A
The
historic
designation
of
the
boxman
mitchell
building,
so
the
mr
lucas,
if
you'll.
A
Be
able
to
comment
sure,
so
I
I
do
see
one
hand
raised
already
for
any
other
members
of
the.
A
You
can
select
somebody,
you
have
three
minutes
to
give
us
some
comments
on
this
specific
item.
I
R
R
About
mr
boxman's
history
and
what
he's
done
throughout
the
civil
war
and
family
lineage
and.
R
It
seems
as
though
we
kind
of
brushed
through
it
and
the,
and
it
may
not
have
been
attended.
R
R
R
R
R
Considered
very
highly
before
we
start
making
monuments
and
statues
and
preserving
things
that.
I
Yes,
mr
ali
would
like
to
comment
and
should
now
be
able
to
unmute
himself.
Thank
you,
mr
ally,.
A
P
Yes,
all
right
and
then,
if
if
anyone
would
like
to
see
the
reports
from
the
contractors,
I'd.
P
P
P
P
But
what
mr
dolez
actually
told
me
was
because
of
all
the
renovations
that
were
done
to
the.
P
P
P
Trying
to
preserve
it,
the
other
thing
is,
is
guys,
I'm
I'm
not
a
developer.
I
do
this
as
a
hobby.
P
I
I
like
taking
ugly
things
and
trying
to
make
them
better.
You
know
that's
one
of
the
things.
P
I
pride
myself
on
on
on
everything
we
own
here
in
bloomington.
That's
why
we
bought
this
building.
P
We
probably
should
have
done
a
little
more
due
diligence
before
we
bought
it.
You
know,
but
but.
P
I
made
a
mistake
and
I'm
currently
learning
from
it
sitting
here,
but
if
there
is
a
designation.
P
Are
that
way
now
adding
trying
to
redo
the
front
of
this
thing
is
going
to
add
upwards
to.
P
That
that
I
can
do
I'm
not
a
rich
man
and
so
the
building
as
it
sits,
it's
going
to
stay.
I
Next
up,
asia
jester
should
be
able
to
unmute.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
O
O
O
State
of
affairs
in
the
country
is
showing
us
that
these
are
not
subjects
to
be
brushed
over.
O
A
S
S
S
S
S
A
Thank
you,
mr
smith,
mr
lucas,
if
you'd
like
to
select
another
person
from
the
public.
I
Yes,
next
up
is
gigi
lamore
golden.
A
T
T
The
deal
that,
according
to
a
local
attorney
that
the
mitchells
bought
this
building.
T
From
a
fred
rumple,
in
my
mind,
means
that
he
did
not
build
this
building.
So
if
it's
not
a
mitchell.
T
Building,
I
don't
know
why
we're
trying
to
save
this
either.
Basically,
I
was
born
and
raised.
T
Are
of
that
age
they
went
there
once
a
week
got
all
dressed
up,
went
there
for
dinner
and
basically.
T
No,
it
has
meaning
to
them
of
what
of
going
to
dinner
there,
but
it
has
no
historical.
T
Meaning
to
them
and
basically
the
the
running
theme
was
it's
an
eyesore.
So
that's
it.
A
Thank
you
very
much
any
other
public
lined
up
to
make
coming.
I
believe
chris
sterbaum.
N
N
Down
you
know
the
old,
a
lot
of
old
buildings
that
we
cared
about
are
have
been
transformed
and.
N
N
N
That
mimics
the
existing
structure,
except
he's
added
a
couple
of
garage
doors
that.
N
N
N
I
I
I
Follow
up
with
him
during
during
questions
or
comments
after
the
public
comment
period,.
P
Just
regarding
what
was
said
guys,
I
didn't
even
know
this
meeting
was
gonna
happen
tonight.
P
P
They
they
have
a
vested
interest
in
what
was
going
to
be
discussed.
I
I
did
in
all.
P
Fairness,
I
left
messages
on
the
city
council
line.
I
did
send
a
couple
emails
and
one
of
them
was.
P
P
But
the
new,
if
you
look
at
the
new
udo
that
hasn't
been
approved
by
you
guys,
this
area
is
a
little.
P
P
Been
trying
to
rack
our
brains
to
try
to
make
financial
sense
of
this
thing
and,
to
be
honest,.
P
P
P
You
know
essentially
open
up
to
my
my
students
and
my
athletes,
or
else
I'm
gonna
squash.
You.
P
P
P
P
A
That
is
the
end
of
public
comment
and
let
us
go
to
council
for
their
final
comments.
Ms
amber.
G
Thank
you,
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
support
this
one
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
I
was
completely.
G
To
the
history
as
important
as
that
is
when
the
buildings
are,
when
they
have
integrity
and.
G
G
In
contrast
to
the
core
building,
which
does
have
integrity,
and
this
one
which
doesn't.
G
E
Yes,
thanks
yeah,
I
I
generally
agree
with
councilmember
sandberg.
I've
spent
a
lot
of.
E
E
Toward
not
approving
this
designation
at
this
time,
unless
I
could
be
convinced
that
somehow.
H
Thank
you,
I'm
gonna
be
voting
no
and
here's.
Why?
Okay,
there
are
kind
of
general
reasons
like
the.
H
Disrepair
and
the
poor
condition
of
the
building-
and
I
appreciate
council
member
rallo's
comment.
H
H
Okay,
when
we
met
in
a
work
session
a
couple
weeks
ago-
and
this
was
just
kind
of
previewed.
H
For
us,
one
of
the
things
I
specifically
asked
for
was
a
description
of
our
options.
If
we.
H
A
Mr
sims,
thank
you
very
much,
it'll
be
very
difficult
for
me
to
support
destination
as
well.
F
Of
the
building-
and
this
is
even
the
part
behind
the
facade.
F
And
the
facade
is
not
very
stable
actually,
but
that
was
the
part
and
we
had
discussions
on
that.
F
Historical
preservation-
and
we
talked
a
lot
about
some
of
the
previous
owners
and
some
of
the.
F
Old
businesses
years
ago,
and
then
some
of
that
personality
history
there,
but
the
main
thing.
F
F
Mr
boxman,
it's
interesting
that
motor
tourists
came
from
all
over
the
nation
that
have
that.
F
F
Type
of
deliberations,
particularly
as
long
as
I'm
on
the
council,
but
I
hope
be
longer
than
that.
F
F
But
it
could
be
history
that
that
house
was
part
of
the
underground
railroad
for
an
example.
F
F
To
do
with
historical
designation,
but
most
of
we
talk
about
those
and
they're
interesting.
F
F
To
do
something
to
improve
a
portion
of
our
town,
so
that's
all
I
have
for
this
evening.
A
I'm
gonna
further
questions
from
council
members
or
comments.
Mr
flaherty.
K
Commented
or
my
colleagues
for
that
matter
who
may
have
articles
or.
K
Or
also
the
the
historic
ownership
and
development
of
the
building,
I
would
be
interested
in
seeing.
K
Seeing
those
as
well
so,
please
feel
free
to
send
those
to
the
council
office
and
they.
K
Would
get
to
all
of
us
that
way!
Another
note
that
mr
ali
commented
that
he
was.
K
Not
alerted
in
any
way
of
of
this
being
discussed
tonight,
which
also
disturbs
me.
K
A
bit
it's
possible,
certainly
there
was
a
miscommunication
or
contact
was
attempted
to
be.
K
In
the
future
that
any
relevant
stakeholder,
including
property
owners
of.
K
Regarding
when,
when
they're,
when
the
issue
may
be
heard,
if
that,
if
if
that
was
not
done,.
K
I
agree
and
appreciate
that
the
sort
of
pedestrian
scale
and
interaction
with
the
street.
K
Noted
the
the
the
wide
widespread
use
of
automobiles
but
I'll.
Just
also
note
that.
K
Development
standards
now
do
require
that
type
of
pedestrian
human
scale,
interaction
more.
K
Recent
developments
there,
including
the
bedrock
cafe
and
urban
station
for
instance,
share
that.
K
Same
type
of
human
scale,
street
interaction,
so
I'm
confident
that
anything
developed
subsequently.
K
On
this
on
this
property,
I
would
do
the
same,
so
I
think
we're
not
losing
that
opportunity.
K
Either,
even
if
this
building
does
not
remain
so,
that's
it
for
me
thanks.
Thank
you,
mr
flaherty.
A
Anyone
else
have
a
further
comment.
I
will
comment
that
I
I
can't
support
this.
A
A
Gonna
fall
down,
so
I
I
certainly
think
that,
it's
time
probably
to
move
on
from
this
building.
A
So,
are
we
ready
to
vote
mr
chair
yeah?
Yes,
may
I
just
emphasize.
E
Something
that
council
member
flaherty
just
mentioned
said,
and
I
meant
to
mention
it.
E
I
think
notification
is
really
important
and
could
staff
you
know
by
our
next
meeting.
E
A
And
I
vote
no
as
well,
and
so
that
is
an
8-0
denial
of
historic
preservation
for
the
boxman.
K
The
point
of
order-
yes,
sir,
just
to
clarify
for
any
members
of
the
public
it'd,
be
a.
K
Zero
to
eight
negative
recommendation
to
the
full
council
for
second
reading.
We
we.
K
Haven't
officially
denied
this
or
voted
down
this
ordinance?
Oh
thank
you
for
clarifying
that.
A
All
right,
so
that's
zero
to
eight.
Have
we
concluded
our
business
for
this
evening.