City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 29 Jan 2020

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This meeting will come to order. This meeting will come to order. This is a.

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Special session of the bloomington common council for wednesday january.

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29Th, can we will the clerk, please call the roll.

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Scan by lori rosen, barker, sims yeah bowling here: piedmont, smith, yeah, clarity,.

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Here, smith, here sandburg here, everyone is present. Thank you.

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To summarize the agenda, we will hear reports first from council members, then.

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The mayor and city offices, including a report on 2020s black history month.

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Activities we will hear the 2020 councils, sidewalk committee report and.

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Then we'll hear from the public in legislation for second reading.

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Resolutions we will hear resolution 2001 to establish standing committees and.

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Abolish other certain committees of the common council will follow with a.

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Council schedule and then we will adjourn, let us start with reports from.

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Council members I'll start excuse me on my left, with counsel for sandburg.

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Councillor smith, customer flaherty, councilmember, piedmont, smith,.

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Councilmember rallo council members campbell larry, it's an invitation to of.

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My constituent meeting this coming saturday at 1:30 in mccloskey, which is.

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Room 125, I think, in a couple places it was indicated that the start time is one.

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It's actually 1:30, so we've corrected that where we can.

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Thank you. Thank you. Councillor scribbler councillor, rosenberger.

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Councilmember simms she's, going to be fun. Listening to. I do have something.

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Briefly, a couple of comments, I'd like to make. First of all, I think many of you.

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Know that I am the campaign chair for monroe, county united way and I'm pleased.

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To announce that we have topped just topped a million dollars, so we're.

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Getting close to our goal for this year and we didn't publicize the goal because.

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We've just got something we're shooting for so I am proud of this community. It.

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Is a very, very worthwhile agency, those that have not donated and care too.

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I suggest that you do those that have donated already such as myself. Maybe we.

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Can dig a little deeper, so we can help that middle area of folks in our.

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Community that need helped one other thing. Last evening I had the pleasure of.

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Seeing a new board member monroe county community school board member sworn in.

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As you know, I think miss lois, cable, skelton, sabo skelton. Thank you, retired.

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And they held a caucus or an appointment meeting to replace her and select. It was.

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Miss jacinda townsend geddes. She is an educator at indiana university.

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African-American woman and I believe she has two children within the school.

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System and I been pretty active from the social justice and social equity.

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Platform in this community, so I am looking forward to some of the positive.

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Energy that she'll bring to the board and some ideas and help make our school.

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System better, thank you. Thank you. Customer simms. I have no report, so we.

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Will now go to report to the mayor in city offices will hear the a report on.

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2020 black history month activities is moss. Hello welcome good evening council.

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Members, my name is latoya moss and I'm the safe and civil city director. It is.

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My pleasure to share with you upcoming events for the city of bloomington 16th,.

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Annual commemoration on national black history month, our 2020 theme is black.

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And blooming the month, events will seek to acknowledge and honor up-and-coming.

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Black leaders, visionaries and change makers, who are blazing trails and.

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Leaving their mark on our city, state and country, whether bloomington, natives or.

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Transplant by way of educational journeys and these people have strived to bloom where they are planted and influence the.

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Community, the city sponsors for events, however, our calendar has 26.

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Community-Wide events, these programs, along with wfiu black history month.

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Programs can be found in our annual black history month. Community calendar.

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As well as bloomington giant gov backslash black history month, which I.

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Believe all of you receive this lovely calendar. I would like to highlight four.

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Events at the city, black history month committee has worked so hard preparing. I.

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Would also like to recognize those hard workers at this time, dr. gloria hal, the.

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Chair martha chamberlin joy forrest, essay contest chair, william hosea state.

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Of the black community chair justice, kelly arch, chair, kyra, richardson, silent.

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Auction chair james sanders, kick-off, chair and deborah vance also the.

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Community family resources, staff, beverly counter anderson director, samuel miller.

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Our o'neal fellow and liz funk out funkhouser our cock, civic scholar. We are.

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Extremely thankful for their time and passion they have clinton to the celebration. We would also like to thank our sponsors city of bloomington office.

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Of the mayor, monroe hospital city of bloomington office of the clerk boston, scientific city of bloomington, community, family.

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Resources, department, ivy tech, community college, the national.

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Association for the advancement of colored people, bloomington branch.

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Indiana university office of the vice president for diversity, equity and.

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Multicultural affairs iu credit union dr. k, louise isadora, tory mccoy parese.

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Indiana university history department, southern star number 50 order of the.

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Eastern star and stone city lodge 54 prince hall mason's. Without these.

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Generous donors, we would be unable to host these celebratory events. Our first.

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Signature event is the black history month. Kickoff, our kickoff event will.

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Take place thursday january 30th, so tomorrow, here at city hall,.

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The event begins with a reception in the atrium at 6 p.m. with the program.

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Beginning in council chambers at 7 p.m. the keynote dr. jor-el ahana ii will.

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Share personal reflections on his no path and challenges he has endured.

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Along the way, as a nigerian american to defy the odds of blue ink, we will also.

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Present the visionary leader award to an outstanding community member, the black.

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And blooming video and have performances by a barbershop quartet performed by.

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Sizzlin swift, darien, clontz, dexter griffin and marker marcus peterson, our.

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Second is our second event: is the third annual state of the black community.

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Address it will take place tuesday february 4th and city hall council.

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Chambers, beginning with the reception at 5:30 p.m. following the reception.

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Representatives from the coalition of organizations will provide perspectives.

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On black business ownership, black male health and the youth mental health, in.

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The black community, this program is hosted by the bloomington black.

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Strategic alliance and this year during the reception community members and.

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Those attending will have that opportunity to participate in free.

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Health screenings and receive mental health information from monroe hospital.

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And bloomington meadows to increase awareness and promote healthy habits as.

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It relates to the feature topics. Our third event is a special because it.

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Involves the youth of our community, our young scholars and historians will be.

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Honored at the 2020s a contest awards program on wednesday february 12th at 6.

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P.M. at therapy elementary, we will recognize all those who submit essays.

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And award first second and third, place winners from elementary middle and high.

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School level last year we received over a hundred submissions and we anticipate.

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Another great turnout, students in grade grades, 4 through 12, are able to enter.

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Essays until february 3rd to the bloomington iein gov beck /bh in the.

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Culminating event for the month is the annual black history month gala. It will.

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Be held sept 29th at woolery mill. This event will feature dining dancing and.

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Recognition of the 2020 living legend and outstanding black leaders of.

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Tomorrow, award recipients, the reception and silent auction will begin at 6 p.m.

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With a program at 7 p.m. tickets may be purchased starting january 30th at the.

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Buster chumley theater online or by phone, and I also like to mention that.

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All four events will feature: 20, 20 census, resources and information. As.

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You may or may not know the black african-american community is one of the.

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Historically, uncounted groups: we aim to alleviate some fears and correct.

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Misinformation, while encouraging everyone to be counted, I hope all of you.

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Can make at least one or some of these extraordinary events I just mentioned, or.

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Those listed in the calendar, I am happy to answer any questions you may have.

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Shins about black and blooming 2020 black history month to my left to my.

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Right, thank you very much for the presentation we appreciate it.

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Okay, next up the 2020 council sidewalk committee report, who is the chair.

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Councilmember simms: please go ahead.

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Thank you very much. I appreciate you all bearing with me wait. Wait got a point.

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With mr. chairman, it's an issue: oh.

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That's right: I would like to submit a disclosure of a conflict of interest.

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I'm administrator attorney for the city council and there is a project on a long.

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List of projects that would go by my house- and I use this occasion to to.

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Submit a disclosure to you ask for your acceptance, so I can file it in the right.

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Places to let you know that that's the case now, this project has not been.

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Seriously discussed for funding, but it's on the list and since it would lead to a.

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Financial benefit for me. I use this occasion to request that you accept this.

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Disclosure, thank you. Is there a motion to accept the.

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Disclosure, we have a motion in a second all in favor, say aye, aye opposed, say, nay,.

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Do you think you foreclosures accept that we thank you councillor sims, if you'll begin with the sidewalk report, thank you very much.

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The sidewalk committee is a council committee whose purpose is to recommend.

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Allocation funds to aid in building sidewalks to improve connectivity.

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Throughout this city last year's committee, before we had.

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Elections and reorganization in january were comprised of myself.

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Dave rallo dorothy granger and krister baum. But since we reorganized in january.

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New members on this committee council members are councilmember, kate, rosenberg.

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Barger and councilmember ron smith, so I just kind of wanted to clear that up.

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Before we got started many other committee members and staff that.

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Assisted this progress, in addition to councilmember rallo and myself, was.

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Council members granger stir bomb mr. stephen lucas, dan sherman, nicole bowden.

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Sophia mcdowell, neil copper, beth, rosenberger, roy aten, jane flag, bob.

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Wolford and steve carter now these folks comprised of the parks and recreation.

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Department, housing, a neighborhood development department, planning and.

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Transportation department, the council clerk's office and our council staff. I.

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Will note that the money that's available this year is three hundred and.

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Twenty four thousand dollars- and that was an increase of six thousand dollars.

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From the previous year, this money comes from an alternative transportation fund.

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Or atf and the purpose is to reduce the community's dependence upon the.

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Automobile, if we can display the amount or I'm sorry, the history of funding,.

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Slide now this table gives you a sense of how the money has increased over the.

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Years note that unused funding reverts back to.

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The atf, the alternative, transportation, fun.

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In would hopefully be available for other sidewalk projects. Now we'll look.

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At the criterion objective measure slide, these objective measures have been.

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Developed and refined over the years by planning and transportation staff with.

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Input from committee members, they are used to assist with prioritizing these.

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Projects next will display the prior project prioritization list. Now, please.

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Note that this table is probably too small for you to read, but that's okay,.

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The point we're trying to illustrate here is that there are over 60 projects.

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On this list, note that the projects are ranked by the.

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Objective criteria you just displayed, which includes things like safety.

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Walk score linkages and cost and feasibility. However, the number one.

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Ranked project doesn't automatically get funded because funding, availability and.

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Phasing also plays roles in this decision. The committee also has multiple.

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Projects going on at once, so in any given year, the committee might fund.

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Construction of all or a portion of some projects and might fund design for a few.

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New projects projects are added to the list, primarily by request of members of.

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The public which they can do by submitting a you report on the city.

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Website or by contacting the council office now the recommended funding for.

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2020 are the following: will have six projects this year, the previously funded.

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Sidewalk projects- and we expect construction in 2020- is the maxwell.

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Street from miller drive to north of short street, which is on on the west.

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Side of that street, it's maxwell street from miller drive to short of north to.

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North of short street I'll get that straight and that's on the west side of.

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The walkway, the next project is 14th street from madison street to woodburn.

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Avenue on the north side of the street, this project was submitted for c.

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Viji funding and whether it receives any money from that source might impact the.

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Amount of funding that comes to or comes from, the sidewalk committee.

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It might also impact the construction schedule, depending on, if or when the.

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Cdbg funding becomes available now, if, if you can see on the map, I'm really.

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Excited about this particular project, because some of the the priorities or.

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Our goals of the sidewalk committee is to put sidewalks where there are none.

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Located and there are no safe sidewalks along this area and it's one of the.

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Areas that we hear, often in city council meetings from the public, about having.

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The need for sidewalks in that particular area. Now we have moving on to.

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New sidewalk projects and design, which is expected in the year 2020 this year.

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It is on walnut street from winslow road to ridge view drive, which is on the east.

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Side of the road this is recommended due to the high density, the difficulty in.

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Crossing from one side of the street to the other and increases in traffic, so.

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It's on walnut street starts on winslow and goes north to rich view drive. I'm.

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Sorry, no, it is north ya, know south south to ridge, ridge, ok,.

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I'll turn my chair around then I'll be correct to south. Thank you very much. The.

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Next area is adams street, from kirkwood to fountain drive on the west side of.

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The road this was recommended by staff as a result of a public meeting held by.

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The planning and transportation staff about the adams street sidewalk.

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Connection, this would fill in gaps on the west side of the street, something.

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Else I would mention the sidewalk committee has its funding amount and one.

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Of the ways that we try to be more efficient and stretch out those dollars.

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And get a bigger bang for the buck is to work in cohort with other city.

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Departments as utilities, if they're doing curb work.

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Or something like that, and we can kind of team up and get a bigger bang for a.

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Buck same thing with planning and transportation, something in some cases with hand with some of those projects. We.

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Also have two more traffic calming projects. That's on this year's list. This.

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Is on west crime, graham drive, and it's in the broadview neighborhood this.

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Project would install permanent traffic calming devices in the broadview.

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Neighborhood, this is recommended due to the previous use of temporary traffic.

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Calming devices in the area, this project is dependent on the.

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Neighborhood traffic safety program process that is currently taking place.

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Where the neighborhood will vote on the project, the outcome of that vote will.

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Impact whether this moves forward, the second traffic calming project, is east.

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On east moore's pike and south smith, road at that intersection, this is a.

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Crosswalk slash intersection improvements and recommended because the.

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Sidewalk at the intersection do not align making it difficult to cross the.

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Project would help permit safe crossing for pedestrians at this intersection now.

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We'll move on to the funding grid, please note that when possible, the sidewalk.

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Committee tries to work in concert with other departments, like utilities parks.

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And rec and others to coordinate projects, as I just mentioned. I also try.

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We also try to stretch dollars by combining funding sources like applying.

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For cdbg funds, community development block grant funds. The committee has a.

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Very difficult job because there are so many projects worthy of funding, but only.

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So much money is available and sidewalks are expensive to build request for new.

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Sidewalks are always welcome and can be submitted via you report or to our city.

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Council office, I would now like to offer any other council members that.

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Participated or any who happen to come is, but if.

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Councilmember rallo has an input, since he worked really hard on this before I.

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Took over chair, thank you, councilmember society. I think you did an excellent.

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Summation- and I think it's it's important just again to emphasize that.

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The matrix of prioritization with that 60-some list of projects is meant to be.

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A tool and it's it really requires more refinement in terms of review by the.

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Participants- and so we look for things that council member simm alluded to for.

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Instance, leveraging funds from other groups like cdbg in the case of the.

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Fortunate 14th street sidewalk and then there are other priorities that we.

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Anticipate, for instance, on miller, drive.

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Council last year than two years ago approved a very high-density bloomington.

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Colossal project and the south and miller drive opening of short street and.

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So there's going to be a little more traffic there that we would address that.

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Situation so those just given an idea of why the matrix doesn't necessarily.

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Always follow in terms of a strict prioritization in case council members.

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Were curious about that, otherwise I don't have anything else to to add.

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Except that we're always lacking more funds, the list will go on faster than we.

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Seem to be able to address it, that's it! Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. With that we'll go to questions from my colleagues.

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On the sidewalk committee report, anyone have a question councillor, perfume on.

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Smith yeah. I wanted to just follow up on the.

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Traffic calming in the broad of your neighborhood on graham drive, so it's my.

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Understanding that the allocation of $60,000 will be used, but it the.

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Neighborhood is going to help decide how it's going to be used. Is that correct.

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I'll pass that over to mr. lucas, our council office, he can explain it a.

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Little bit better than I can, okay rotation is going through the.

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Neighborhood traffic safety program process right now, which entails the.

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Neighborhood voting, I believe, on whether the the traffic calming devices are.

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Installed at all, currently, there are some temporary devices that were previously funded, at least in part by the sidewalk committee.

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And so this project, if it's approved by the the neighbors, would expand on the.

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Devices already there, I don't believe they take those up, but they would.

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Install additional devices but the outcome of that vote I've I believe.

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Would impact whether this project moves forward if they were to vote it vote no.

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Then that $60,000 might be available for making up shortages and other projects.

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Which has happened in the past or might be available to the committee to.

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Recommend for an allocation into a different project, so it might come if.

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The broadview neighborhood votes. No, then the committee might come back together.

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And decide what to do with the money? It's it's possible. We, the committee, also.

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Has an overage policy that gives some leeway to staff to shift funds from one.

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Project to another, so we may need to work with planning to see as we move.

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Forward how accurate their estimates were a lot of these construction prices.

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Are estimates and so the committee has adopted a policy to allow a certain.

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Portion of funding, if there's a sidewalk that comes in cheaper than expected, they.

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May be able to use that funding to make up shortages elsewhere. So it's possible.

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That, depending on, if there's a large amount, still available for the committee.

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That this comes back to the council. Thank you.

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Thank you any further questions for the sidewalk committee. I do have one. I.

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Wonder if members of the committee have ever thought about asking about the.

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Possibility of tif funding to fund sidewalks what say you it is my.

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Understanding with our own funding and then with applying for cdbg funding, I am.

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Not aware of tif funding use councilmember all loyalty, I'm trying to.

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Call if there's restrictions in terms of I mean it's, what do they need to be in.

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The tif district so, and so that was part of the discussion. Well, I guess the.

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Question was more: is there a reason that we don't solicit more funding through.

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Tif dollars to build sidewalks, at least in the area affected by the tif. Well, if.

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You're asking me my position is many of our resources are being stretched and.

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Have other more long-term plans, so I think that is a funding option, but it's.

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Not the primary option, so I think it is available and as I understand it, we.

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Could utilize it, but that hasn't been the plan on my tenure. The last three.

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Years that I know about mr. rollo good question.

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That's that's a good question. I think I do recall discussing to funding once but.

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I think most of the sidewalk projects fall outside the tif district and it's.

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Not as though, we're not looking for other funds, in fact, we've used greenway.

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Funds we've used npo we've used cdbg to tag-team utilities, so we are always.

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Looking for ways in which we can leverage more and but that would be good.

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To do a review specific to for tif and those that apply.

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That's what we're skin blurring! Thank you, tiff again finishing up as a member.

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Of the redevelopment commission for the city of bloomington and the regulations.

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Require any improvements to be in a tif or serving a tif is actually the.

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Language in statute right now and we have actually used tif funds. A couple.

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Times in my recollection, I'd have to go back and check my notes for sure, but.

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When sidewalks occurred in combination with a larger project, so, for example, on.

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West 17th, when the roundabouts went in near tri near tri north. That also.

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Included some sideways in pedestrian walkways, so tif was part of that larger.

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Project too, so I think I've seen that a couple times. Oh that's good to know it.

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Very interesting any other questions for sidewalk, seeing none we will go to. We do.

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I'm sorry if we need a motion to add, is it the appropriate motion? Mr. shermer.

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Recommendations so, rather than simply accept it, you want to make a motion to.

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Approve motion: I move that we approve the report. We have a motion in a second.

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We have a roll roll call vote. Please can we have a roll call vote on the sidewalk.

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We're time councilmember allah, yes, scam, burglary, yeah, frozen burger, yes sims! Yes,.

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Bowen, yes, peanut smith; yes, flirty; yes, smith, yes, sandburg! Yes, okay,.

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That's nine zero approval of the report. Thank you. Controversy in scottsboro.

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Rollo everyone who helped we now will move to legislate re two reports from.

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The public, so you remember, the public would like to speak tonight on adams, not.

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On the agenda, please come to the podium. You'll have five minutes state, your name.

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Good evening, I'm mary morgan, I'm director of advocacy and public policy.

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For the greater bloomington chamber of commerce- and I am delighted to speak to.

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You tonight, on a topic unrelated to the you. Do I'm here to talk to you about.

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Public transit and specifically to ask you to change chapter 2.76 of the.

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Bloomington municipal code to allow bloomington transit to provide service.

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Outside the city limits, this is a small but necessary step to make our.

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Community's public transit system, even better for city residents for city.

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Residents, including employers and people who are working hard to improve their.

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Lives the current code states at the boundaries of the bloomington public.

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Transportation corporation must be coterminous with the boundaries of the.

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City, it's my understanding that bloomington is the only city in indiana.

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With this constraint, lifting this restriction by itself does nothing in.

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The short term, it does not mean the bloomington transit- will start sending.

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Out buses outside the city limits, but it does provide flexibility for bt to.

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Adjust its routes, if the staff and board determined that doing so would be.

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Financially viable, as you know, bloomington transit is undergoing a.

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Route optimization process consultants for this project. Do you recommend that.

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Bt provides service out to ivy tech and cooke group, which are located beyond the.

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City limits last week I attended a beauty board.

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Meeting and members there discuss this issue.

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The specific issue several of them seem reluctant to even explore the.

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Possibility of making that route change until they knew that the council would.

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Be willing to change the city code. Their thinking is that if the city is.

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Unwilling to do that specifically the city council, then the work to see if.

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Such a route is financially viable, isn't even worth their effort to explore most.

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Of us, don't constrain our lives to city limits, even if we live here, many city.

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Residents, do you need to attend ivy tech or work at cook group or shop on the.

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Western edge of our community, I would also point out that this is an equity.

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Issue late last year, the bloomington affordable living committee issued a.

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Report called working hard falling behind and it addresses specifically the.

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Need for a robust public transit system? It includes this comment. I think it's.

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Really relevant from a local nonprofit and I'm quoting now in many cases, lack.

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Of transportation or funds for public transportation become one of the.

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Greatest barriers to our clients, gaining employment and attending our services.

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Affordable, reliable and accessible public transportation is critical to.

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Many in our community, as they work to sustain employment, fulfill basic needs.

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Gain access to social services and engage in our community end quote.

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So obviously there are many challenges to expand transit, including financial.

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Resources and political tensions between the city and the county. Looking at how.

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To improve public transit in other ways, even within the city, should also be a.

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Goal for our community there's really hard work to be done, but changing the.

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City ordinance, it's an easy step and it's a step that I hope you'll consider.

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And implement soon, thank you very much. Thank you.

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Hi, my name is daniel bingham. I wanted to comment on director of aquel syns.

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Presentation about the proposed anaerobic digester that he made on the.

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Fifteenth of january to the council, I've been a little frustrated with this task.

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Force from the beginning, because I think we're asking the wrong question with it, and I think mr. kelson presentation showed that when you asked the wrong.

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Question you get the wrong information, we're asking. Should we build an.

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Anaerobic digester and that presentation it seemed maybe that should we're not.

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Even asking should may be, but cam wean, which of course the answer is yet we can.

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But what we should really be asking is: what's the most economic and carbon.

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Efficient way to handle our wastewater, there was a study done in germany that.

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Looked at nine aerobic composting facilities and nine anaerobic digestion.

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Facilities to see what their carbon emissions were, they found that they were.

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Equivalent exactly equivalent the composting, the aerobic composting.

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Facilities had about emissions of about 53 kilograms of co2 equivalent a range.

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That went from 53 kilograms to 411 kilograms of co2 equivalent per mega.

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Gram of bio waste the digesters had anywhere from 50 kilograms to 457.

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Kilograms per mega gram of bio waste, it was like a wash the number given for.

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Building the anaerobic digester and the bloomington was 30 million to 35 million.

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Dollars we don't have numbers, I wasn't able to find numbers in the time I had.

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Researching this this afternoon, for what it would cost to build an aerobic.

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Composting facility, but given that it's a much lower tech venture than a.

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Digester, it's a good bet, it'd be a lot lower things that were left out of.

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Kelson x' report that the digest state that results from an anaerobic digester.

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Cannot be used, as is it has to be composted most digesters. Do it in wind.

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Tunnels alongside them, some do it in enclosed facilities and those actually.

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Have the lowest emissions, because, when you'd compost that digest date, it.

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Actually carries a lot of the methane with it out of the digestion process.

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Which gets released when you host, which is one of the biggest contributors to those digesters greenhouse gas emissions, any concern.

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About contamination of the input that I gesture doesn't clean that out, you have.

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The same concerns about contamination with aerobic composting and anaerobic.

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Composting, so if we are worried about, for example, pcbs in our effluent that.

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Would make that compost unusable? We have the same problems with a digester or.

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With aerobic composting, if they're pretty much equivalent, so we should at.

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The very least in this discussion we need to be asking: what's the most.

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Economically efficient and carbon efficient way of handling our waste.

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Water and we need to be getting numbers for an aerobic composting. The real.

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Question we should be asking, though, is even one step up from that which is what's the best use of our money. What is the greatest impact from the dollars? We.

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Spend in terms of cutting carbon emissions and helping people, if we were.

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To take that thirty million dollars that is proposed to be spent on this plant.

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And spend it instead, just on solar purely on solar, then we could build 10.

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Megawatts of solar, the current price of solar is about a dollar over three.

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Dollars a watt, so 30 million divided by three dollars. You get 10 megawatts that.

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Would displace about 88 thousand metric tons of co2 equivalent per year granted.

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That's a back-of-the-envelope calculation, so somebody should check that, but based on the numbers I just ran that would get us 88 thousand metric.

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Tons of co2 a globe quinlan displacement at best, if the digester is able to.

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Displace all of our waste water emissions and from the displace the.

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Electricity for 350 kilowatts, I think, was the number kelson gave we're looking.

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At displacing 18,000 of co2 equivalent a year for that.

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Digester so spending that money on solar we get four times the carbon.

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Displacement as we would building this digester, even if you say that there's.

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This chance this plant say that this plant will live 50 years in the average.

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Life of the solar panel is 20 two-thirty. You still get twice the.

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Carbon displacement over the lifetime of those solar panels than we would from this digester, so I think we need to seriously ask: are we asking the right.

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Questions with this, and is this digester the right thing to be building the right.

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Place to put our money, and I really don't think it is. I also want to point.

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Out that in his presentation, kelson pointed out that the debts, the cost of.

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Covering the debt service from building that adjuster would be equivalent to an 8% rate, increased increase, that's basically a regressive tax. That's going.

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To hit low-income families hardest for no benefit to them other than a cut a.

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Cut and carbon potentially, but no other benefit it's important to keep that in.

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Mind. Thank you. That's your time. Thank you very much. Any other public comment.

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Seeing none we will go to legislation for second reading and resolutions.

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Introduced and read by title and synopsis only motion and second all in.

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Favor say: aye well, the clerk please read resolution.

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2001 to establish standing committees and abolish other certain committees of.

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The common council, the synopsis, is as follows. This resolution is sponsored by.

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Councilmember boland and proposes the creation of various council standing.

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Committees, along with the dissolution of council, interviewing committees, you do.

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Not have a committee recommendation. Thank you. Mr. chair. I move that.

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Resolution 2001 be adopted, thank you and with that I'm going to pass the gavel to.

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Councillor simms the vice president, so that I may present so since this was.

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Introduced on the 8th, we've had a couple of meetings with many concerned.

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Individuals, mostly staff on january 10th, they summarized their concerns in.

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But particularly in a memo sent like deputy mayor in ison, I have authored.

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Three memos one in response to the memo handed out by deputy mayor anais and.

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Written by philippa gun jane, you aerate, the second response to terry porter and.

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The third is a response to all the other questions compiled by department, heads.

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From department heads by mr. niacin and I feel that those which are those memos.

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Which are in your packet do a pretty thorough job of unpacking any.

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Misunderstandings about the intent of this resolution, I will be nevertheless.

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Because staff still have some concerns and because the schedule doesn't really.

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Allow anything sooner, I'm going to be asking tonight for a postponement of.

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This to the meeting of february 19th february 5th, it's too soon for.

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Department heads to get get this on their calendar.

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February 12th, we expect to have not one but two significant issues before the.

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Council, the trinity oz pud and the discussion of towing, and so the 19th is.

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A good date for this to come back and that'll, give us time to schedule. Give.

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The department, its enough time to plan to schedule another meeting with that I.

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Would like to, and I'm going to give myself ten minutes here.

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I don't won't need that much time. I just want to go over the highlights of what.

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Is in your packet, which is an amendment by substitution, which makes a number of.

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Revisions based on feedback from council members and staff in no particular order.

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The mr. sherman should I introduce the event of a substitution.

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Is it necessary now we're checking a weight subject of discussion and then, if.

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You are intending to postpone, essentially you're, postponing that.

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Discussion to a later date, I will move this amendment 1 by substitution to.

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Resolution 2001, thank you. So what is in this amendment by substitution again in.

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No particular order. One thing it does is delays, implementation of the abolition.

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Of nominating committees until september 1, the logic here is that we don't quite.

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Have a policy yet for how or no practice yet on how to manage four member.

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Committees for this particular task, and so it's and we have an immediate need to.

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Name, individuals to boards and commissions, so I find this to be a.

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Reasonable accommodation that will allow us to develop policy. There are now.

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Descriptions of each committee that explain in one sentence or two what the.

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Purview of that committee is even, as those descriptions have been added.

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There's been some redundant language in each description where that has been.

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Stricken a phrase has been added to the line about how each committee, where is.

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It shall be responsible for oversight of the following boards commissions and.

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City departments, this term oversight was a very controversial one department.

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Heads interpreted it to mean that the council wanted to to be in charge of the.

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Executive branch departments, which was not the case I had explained that.

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Oversight does mean to supervise, but it also means to inspect or examine, and the.

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Ability to inspect or examine the workings of the city is essential to our.

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Jobs as council members, that's all I've ever intended whenever I've used the.

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Word oversight: the word investigate is used.

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In city code, that is also a necessary function.

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Of ability of counsel, but I use the term investigate under innocuous.

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Circumstances to mean inspect or examine as well. So, in addition to leaving that.

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Word in I've added the phrase to clarify that each committee is not only.

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Responsible for oversight of but acts as a liaison to the various departments or.

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Divisions that the committee's purview encompasses so this is to emphasize the.

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Idea that council committees do not replace they're, not boards and.

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Commissions, they're, not a new layer of they're, not an extra layer of.

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Bureaucracy they're replacing the committee of the whole and that.

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Departments should see the four member committee that is their liaison as an.

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Aid to accessing the council's process, one change in the administration.

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Committee is that it now subsumes the function of the recently formed rules.

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Committee, which had taken up business last fall but did not complete its work.

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There are a couple of changes too, whereas clauses and finally there are a.

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Couple of moves, oversight of the arts commission has moved from to the.

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Community affairs committee and oversight of the human rights commission.

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And the farmers market advisory committee to the sustainability climate.

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Action and resilience committee and again, there's also been a distinction.

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Between oversight of a commission or board and appointments to it, the council.

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Does not have appointments to every boarding commission, but for those that.

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It does those are separately noted under each committee. That's the entirety of.

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The changes as far as I can recall in this amendment by substitution and with.

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That again, I want to ask that the motion here in order to be able to fully.

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Accommodate staffs understanding of this new.

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A system that we postpone after discussion to the meeting of february.

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The 19th, and with that I'm happy to take questions. Thank you, mr. simms. Okay, do we.

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Have any questions from council? Mr. velman, I have one just a matter of.

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Procedure everything you just said: do we have copies of that? With this, I press to.

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Sherman have they been distributed, the copies that know they've been emailed.

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Okay, I haven't checked email yet, but are they in the way they're in this material.

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They did not go out on last friday, so it's not on this right, and this is not.

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Yet another reason to for people to take time. I don't think the changes are.

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Particularly significant, but you know it were served by having that have this.

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Postponed; okay, thank you. Councilmember piedmont, smith,.

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Yes, I'm I'm a little concerned by the term oversight, since when we had our.

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Work session with staff, there was obviously a different interpretation of.

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What oversight means in relation to standing committees and their oversight.

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Of certain departments and boards, would you consider using a different term or.

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Including within the resolution, what you mean by oversight I'd be happy to do the.

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Latter again, I've explained tonight and previously in the memo and in public at.

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The work session where we had this discussion with department heads, but I.

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Mean this is a term defined in the dictionary I went to merriam-webster for.

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It- and there are two meanings of this sense of the word oversight again in.

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Supervision, which is literally the latin version of the word oversight to.

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Supervises to oversee so they had the same meaning in theory, but in the.

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Dictionary under the term supervise to oversee means to inspect or examine and.

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That has always been the sense in which I've meant it, but in order to clarify.

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I'm very happy to make that definition, perhaps as aware as clause that would.

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Say whereas the dictionary defines oversight in this way? If that I mean it.

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Seems like that will help clarify yeah. We already have a copy yet she's, just.

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Passing on out, okay, don't know we had stops in the packet, but it so any rate.

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That's my answer is, yes, I'd be happy to add a whereas clause that would clarify.

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The definition of the term oversight. Thank you any further questions from.

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Council, seeing none we'll now move to the public. Thank you.

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Hi peter dorfman. I had an opportunity last night at councilmember, rosen.

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Burgers constituent meeting to have some reflections on this proposal. I have some.

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Concerns a procedural concerns. I I just sat through the land-use committees.

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Review of a particular pud- and it was a very efficient process, but it was a very.

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Small issue: it was a very confined issue, not that.

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Much we needed to be defined tonight, so it went very well. I am concerned that.

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The committee's will be asked to hear issues that are much bigger, much more.

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Complex and potentially much more controversial that will not lend.

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Themselves to efficient discussion during confined periods that will be.

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Given to standing committee discussions, I have the understanding that this.

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Council has the option to decide whether or not to assign a particular issue to a.

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Standing committee or, alternatively, to hear it through the committee of the.

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Whole and I would like some clarification on that process, how that.

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Decision will be made. I think it's important to lay that out and iii think.

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That needs to be done with an eye toward allowing the public to know how that.

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Decision will be made, we've just gone through a contentious year and I can see.

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The potential for issues coming before the council to take on that same level.

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Of contentiousness, I, it would be important, I think, to me for the public.

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That have the opportunity to see how the decision about whether to have the.

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Committee of the whole here or standing committee here it gets made. It would be.

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Ideal, in my mind, if that decision were made in front of the public.

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Potentially, with the public's option of commenting on that decision, thank you.

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Thank you. My name is daniel bingham. I just wanted to respond to the question.

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Of oversight and to urge the cop I've said before that, I am very much.

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Supporter of the committee proposal and I remain very supportive of the committee proposal. I think you have to break down work of this level into.

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Chunks in order to handle it efficiently and effectively on the question of.

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Oversight, I would really urge the council not to balk at pushback on the.

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Basis of oversight or accountability or investigation there's a reason we have.

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Multiple branches of government at all levels, those branches are meant to hold.

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Each other in check to hold each other accountable to provide oversight of each.

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Other and part of the council's duty is to provide oversight broadly of the.

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Executive branch and I think, breaking that work into committees so that it can.

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Be done more effectively makes sense, and it makes sense that the executive branch.

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Would not necessarily be thrilled about that and might push back at it, because.

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Nobody loves having being held accountable, it's not fun for any of us.

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But it's really important. It's really important that we hold ourselves.

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Accountable and it's really important that we hold each other accountable, and I think this proposal will strengthen the council's ability to hold the.

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Executive branch accountable and that can only benefit the public. Thank you.

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Any more public comments, seeing none we'll go back to weston's party. Second.

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Questions second questions will not move into comments. Second, questions are.

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Say it councilmember, piedmont, smith. I will just redirect the question asked by.

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Mr. dorfman to the sponsor mr. bullock, I was hoping for that opportunity yeah. So.

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Mr. dorfman raises some good points, I'm happy to see that he thought that the.

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The committee meeting tonight went smoothly. I like to think that that's.

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Part of the benefit of the process that this was a controversial project when it.

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Came forward and the through the two meeting process issues would have been.

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Resolved to the point where both meetings ended less than two hours in.

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Fact there were 50 minutes shorter than the four hours allocated, but for more.

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Controversial issues, it's a very good question at first, it's hard to tell when.

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An issue is going to be controversial, sometimes sometimes opposition comes out.

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Of the woodwork, but it can be anticipated. Sometimes I would say this.

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He mentioned what we went through last year. That was the you do. That was the.

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First time in 13 years that we had revised an entire title of city code, I.

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Would not have recommended that the you do go to the land use committee. It was.

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Too big we'd spent three months as a whole council dealing with it. There were.

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Dozens and dozens of amendments- that's an example of something that wouldn't.

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Even go to committee, the whole we'd set up a special, it's so big. We would set up.

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A special process for considering it we've done that before we can do that.

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Again, I will point out that the number-one committee in second class.

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Cities in the state is a finance committee, 18 or 19 cities consider their.

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Budget in committee now some of those committees involve the majority of.

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Members, but most of them are committees like what I'm proposing. I am not.

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Proposing that there be a finance committee or that we handle the budget.

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Anyway, that we have the budget would continue to be managed by committee of.

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The whole it's an example of an exception to the rule. I think that when.

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A an extremely controversial issue comes forward. We should evaluate whether or.

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Not you should be held by the committee of the whole.

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I will continue to urge for the sake of second and fourth wednesday nights that.

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We try, whenever possible, to send everything to one of the standing.

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Committees, but there is a public choice in the matter, while I, as president, can.

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And, and will recommend you know, ask for recommendations to forward something to.

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A particular committee, if that vote fails, then a member may move to if the.

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First vote fails, however, may move to recommend that it be assigned to a.

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Different committee, or on the second and after they can move to assign the issue.

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To the committee of the whole, so that is public decision that can be.

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Made by majority of council members the default, though, as code currently.

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Says should be to make an effort to refer to a standing committee, so I think.

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That that's I mean. I also think that, for the most part, it's going to be.

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Self-Evident which committee any given issued should go to if it's a matter of.

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Dispute we will pick one, not two committees, it has to go to one or the.

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Other the goal of the committee is simply to triage, so you know, for example,.

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We have the question of predatory towing. I am going to propose on february 5th.

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Since we're not going to adopt committee and create committees tonight that we.

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Create an ad-hoc committee of four just for the sake of that ordinance, while we.

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Continue to deliberate on committees, because it was clear to everyone in the.

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Room that night, that no one was opposed to an ordinance to regulate towing and.

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To reduce predatory towing, but that there was a great deal of knowledge that.

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Everyone in the room didn't share and that, especially from the towing.

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Companies who came and said very interesting things so with that, I would.

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Say that you know that that will also allow us to have to not have a committee.

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To hold in a language committee meeting on february, the 12th.

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But with that I feel, like you know the concerns about how the committees will.

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Be used are relatively straightforward and that we will become accustomed to it.

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Soon enough and it will become obvious what legislation will go where and what.

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It isn't will learn. Thank you, councilmember, piedmont, smith. Yes, um I.

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Don't feel like the councilmember from district 6 has answered my question, who.

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Will decide which committee legislation is to be referred to the first thing we.

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Will do is we try to refer to a standing committee, but who decides which standing.

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Committee, so the council leadership has a meeting every tuesday at 4:00, with the.

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Administration, where we just plan the schedule, we look ahead several weeks.

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Several months to anticipate what legislation is coming and when to.

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Schedule things at that point: you know what before legislation has been first.

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Read we have to start making decisions about who is the most logical committee.

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To hear a given item again, I believe that, for the most part, it'll be obvious.

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If you have a utilities issue, it should go to the utilities committee. I think.

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That the president should make the initial decision when the.

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Parliamentarian makes the motion as to what committee to refer to. If that is.

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Defeated then another member can make another suggestion well either to to.

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Refer to another committee or to refer to committee of the whole. But somebody.

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Needs to make the initial decision that should reside with the president with.

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Vice-President at the leadership meeting, I hope that answers the council member.

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From district 5s question.

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Okay, councilmember rosenberger to the sponsor. I just wanted to ask if you.

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Could clarify for mr. dorfman if the public would be involved in the process.

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At all deciding if this would go to standing committee or not, and if this is.

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Happening in a public meeting, the vote to refer to committee is a public vote.

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We've just been so accustomed to automatically referring to committee, the.

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Whole that we haven't thought about it, but it's a necessary part of the process.

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Someone has to make the announcement of what committee is going to hear it so.

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That will simply be part of the agenda as far as I'm not sure I answered the.

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Whole question you I asked yes first if the public would be would see that, and I.

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Do know that happens at first hearing and then if they would have time to.

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Comment on it, that's the one thing I don't. I haven't thought about. Mr.

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Sherman, if on a motion to refer, is that I mean that would be debatable. Would it.

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Take comment, surely so it would take an exception to robert's it's it's not in.

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Code to we'd have to suspend the rules.

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In order to do that, we may have to either, if it's not on the resolution,.

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We'd have to have a motion that establishes that procedure right now, as.

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I was talking to some people before the meeting. There is no debate upon.

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Introduction you do refer at that point in the past, we have not opened up.

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Referral to public comment: you could do that, but currently we don't.

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Okay, so this is a matter of practice and policy.

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If, whenever we are, there is an absence of.

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Direction and city code or in roberts on procedure, the rules can be suspended by.

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A two-thirds vote of council so but absent a change in our rules at least.

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That mechanism is available to us, I'm not averse to once again changing the.

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Resolution, if that will have, if that will be effective in establishing that.

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Policy will that be effective mr. shermin, to put it in the resolution.

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Okay, so again, I'm not averse to it. If that's what the work is really into a.

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Pardon me it would work in the interim yeah, okay.

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Any further council questions now moving to council comment. My colleagues have.

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Any comments: councilmember, piedmont, smith, yeah. I appreciate councilmember.

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Bolin postponing voluntarily this piece of legislation. I think it is important.

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To understand all the concerns of staff and work out, some of the details of how.

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This system would be implemented, so I'm glad we will have a few more weeks to do.

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That in general I'm favorable to the system, I find that it is difficult for.

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Me, as a council member to track and delve into pieces of legislation that.

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Have such a wide variation of topic, and so I think this would allow members of.

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The standing committees to both be more diligent in our oversight of the.

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Executive branch, and also to specialize somewhat and become more expert in.

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Certain areas so with that, I'm glad to have a little.

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More time- and I think it would certainly work best if we have the cooperation and.

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Coordination with staff and with our fellow council members, so hopefully we.

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Can we can work towards that in the next few weeks? Thank you for those kinds of.

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Comments councilmember scan blurry my thinks as well for buying us another.

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Week or so I know, I just want to recall that one of the very first.

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Reasons we put forward for even considering committees is to delve into.

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Legislation and make sure it is the best legislation and in its best form so.

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Thank you for doing that with this piece of legislation, I think some additional.

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Time with staff will help us make refinements. That will be helpful, so.

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Thanks. Thank you any further comments from my colleagues before I move further.

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And maybe the parliamentarian can help me this will be brought back on february.

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The 19th, if it's, if it, if, if we, if the motion, passes and that'll be like normal.

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So there'll be comment time and more question time and all of that so so.

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Speaking tonight, I'll probably just prolong things. I was just just thinking.

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Out that okay, do we have any more council comments? Yes,.

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Councilmember clarity- I have spoken before and my why I think favorably.

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About this proposal earlier today, I was at the innovation showcase. The first.

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Annual as they mayor pointed out, and that was enjoyable and I got to see and.

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They've decayed, our director of innovation, speak about innovation. She.

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Made the point that most innovations are process, improvements like 80 percent or.

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Something- and she spoke specifically that often new people coming in and.

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Saying why are we doing things like this are a way to help identify those, and I.

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Think it fits well with the comments made in the packet in in councilmember.

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And bolin's comments that council needs to rethink every aspect of the way it.

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Does business we should be revisiting process and looking at what's working well and what what isn't working well, and I would.

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Think the administration with its you know, strong favor of innovation, would be.

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Amenable to this as well a lot of the comments from staff, I think really speak.

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To frustrations with council generally- and I think this and other changes are.

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Are ways we can work to be more efficient for the public, more accessible.

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And more considerate of city staff, time and scheduling. So that's all. Thank you.

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Oops. Thank you further comments. Okay, do we the motion to perform a comment.

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Waiting to the sponsor I'll probably be last but councilmember vote. Thank you. I.

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Just want to say briefly that I don't know when it was that committee, the.

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Whole became the standard for the city. We haven't yet figured out exactly when.

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That system was implemented, but I want to call your attention to this document.

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Recently discovered, this is ordinance 68 17, past january 22nd, signed by john.

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Mayer john h, hooker jr. at january, 22nd 1968.

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It's an ordinance to amend section 61 of bloomington municipal code entitled.

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Committees of chapter 2 of the code, which was passed in 1957 and they.

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Amended it to read as follows: to facilitate the transaction of business, the following standing committees are established to which matters and.

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Questions before the council may from time to time be referred for.

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Investigation and report and those committees were finance utilities and.

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Properties, public safety and traffic planning, planning, zoning and land use.

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University and governmental affairs, community research and development, civic.

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Affairs and rules, ordinances and resolutions- it's very interesting to.

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Take a look at how the council thought about breaking up the work back in 1968.

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I'll point out that this was the first month of a new term of council.

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And they adopted this, this was already ordinance number 17 of the year 1968.

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They did a lot of work in the first few weeks. I don't know how they got that far.

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But they were still in the first month they were organizing, I'm following in.

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This tradition with this resolution, even though it's not an ordinance, it's just.

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Triggering code that was passed by ordinance, but that's why I introduced.

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This in the first month of the new term, because we're not just organizing for.

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The year we're organizing for a new council, and I think that this document.

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I'm eager to see some similar ordinance from 1970 to 1976 1980. I think that code.

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Changed in 1979 that might have been where it changed. But let's just say that.

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This is an example from our own history of how the council wants divided into.

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Committees, many of which are similar, if not identical to the ones that I've.

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Proposed in resolution 2001, so I hope that when we come back on the 19th.

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Everyone's concerns about the well again I'll call it the innocuousness of this.

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Idea of the breaking down of the council's work in this way is, is.

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Manifest, I hope that, on the 19th you will support this or this resolution.

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Thank you further comments from in council members resolution until.

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February 19th is it to postpone no its table.

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Table is giving it okay. I thought I had read my robert's.

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Rules that we need to table it, but I would also be willing to postpone until.

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February 19th been properly moved. The second is this: a.

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Roll call roll call where the clerk- please read: council members, campbell re.

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Yeah rosenberger yes, set simms simms. I know I know.

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Yes, bolan, yes, piedmont, smith! Yes, clarity! Yes,.

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Smith, yes, sandburg, yes, rallo, yes, okay, and that is nine. Zero.

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Thank you past a postponed until february 19th, okay, so I give you back.

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The gavel, yes, you do, sir, all right, I know, but I like it. Thank you.

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Thank you, councilmember simms. We now go to maybe matters of council schedule. Mr.

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Shermin a reminder that we have a council work session, not this friday, but.

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The friday after this one, so that's the 7th know more about. What's on that.

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Agenda next week and we'll relay that to you, I do have a question and we did have.

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A brief comment from the president about the predatory, towing ordinance. You know.

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That's coming back for a second that's coming to second reading next week and.

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Based upon your discussion at the committee of the whole and what I'm.

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Hearing tonight that won't be the end of the matter. So what do you want to have.

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Happen next week, what should staff do to prepare for that?.

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Meeting will will the public be invited to come and address the issue, or is this.

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Matter going to be simply set on another schedule. So if you could talk about that.

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Briefly, well know how to proceed. You talked about the tud. We talked about.

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Tonight in land use committee or the towing, the tome, this is towing. Yes, okay,.

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So again, my idea that I was going to propose on fairway v is to create an ad.

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Hoc committee, that would have been the same for who would have served on the.

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Appropriate committee under the standing committee regime had they been adopted.

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Tonight, at the point, though, is to name for members to empower.

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The the second hearing that a standing committee would enjoy, because I don't.

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Think that we're going to resolve the towing issue with one additional.

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Committee hearing, so that was my idea: I'm not sure we I'm not sure how that.

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Changes what happens on the fifth? Do you want to have a substantive discussion of.

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Predatory towing next week, oh I see are there people who were not in the room at.

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The committee of the whole, who you would like to be notified, so they have an.

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Opportunity to speak, in other words, have stakeholders been approached. Do you want.

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Them approached, and if so we we can try to do that, I think it would be good to.

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Notify everyone who is of interest, so you intend to have a substance.

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Discussion next week, but it won't be the last one on the issue. I would turn to my.

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Colleagues to ask if they want to have a substantive discussion at second reading.

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Or if they will prefer to recommit the towing ordinance to a new committee, I'm.

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Taking any comments, councilmember flaherty suggestion of creating an ad.

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Hoc committee, that is the same as what might be under the standing committee.

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Proposals an appropriate way to deal with this- I don't in if that is indeed.

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What we decide to do as a council, I would suggest that we don't hear.

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Substantive debate on the issue on february 5th and instead refer it to.

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That ad hoc committee, thinking specifically about the folks who are in.

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The room on our meeting on the 22nd and or any other members of the public or.

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Staff that we're going to reach out to trying to minimize the number of meetings at which they would be required or requested. Thank you councillor.

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Flaherty any other comments on my left point of clarification. We're talking.

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About a motion that will take place next week, I know it's speculative if there is.

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A committee would it meet on the 12th. That is a night where, for committee of.

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The whole or well usually for committees and you'll, have a land use committee. I.

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Anticipate taking up a pud that will go out it in your packet.

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This week is that a night where we'll also talk about this committee might be.

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Talk about predatory, towing with the public. That's the idea. There are be no.

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It's land use, that's a five, forty five and then eight o'clock would be this.

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Would be on wednesday, the twelfth, and so this is the time if people inquire about.

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When the matter will come up, staff can say please stay tuned and come in on.

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Come here on the 12th I mean I would recommend the same schedule that we did.

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Tonight, a 5:45 land use committee hearing followed by an eight o'clock.

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Thank you. That's how I hoc committee are there any other comments on this idea.

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Council member simms, but it is possible to move forward on the fifth without.

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Forwarding it to an ad hoc committee is that correct? That is correct and my.

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Concern is that there would be value an ad hoc committee if there was many many.

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Many unknowns, but as the sponsor carrying it forward. Four previous.

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Council members, there are a couple of issues, one being the fee difference from.

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Vendors- and I think there were some licensing issues and maybe those fees so.

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I think there are a couple issues that can be resolved with their comment and.

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Our decision making, so I'm not so sure the most efficient thing- is to move that.

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Forward to a task force committee, I just not, as we said earlier, complicated and.

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Controversy- I don't, I know on the surface it made. It seem that way, but the.

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Information, we need, I think, or just a couple items that shouldn't really.

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The process, thank you, comer sims other comment. Customer flirty from petsmart.

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Councilmember sims, would you imagine voting on some sort of final version as.

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Amended next week at the meeting on february 5th, I think that's the answer. I.

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Think I think that would be the will of the council and, depending on, if the.

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Issues and questions that the council's have are satisfied at that time and we.

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Adjust her substantive, a substantive debate and I'm not so sure, quite what.

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That means are there new issues are there, you know, there's certain things.

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That were discussed, but are there new issues that should be discussed or where.

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There's one or two differences that we can work out quicker. It's my concern. I.

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Will offer that what I heard in the room that night was a number of ideas coming.

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From a variety of sources and some people, speaking for people who weren't.

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In the room, and the conclusion I came to was that there needed to be a frank back.

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And forth discussion among the many people who are involved and the concerns.

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Over towing and that's why I thought that it was going to make sense to have.

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A committee considerate, because gang committees are informal, they benefit.

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From the less formal process- and we can actually have a back and forth.

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Conversation in committee, if we so choose- and I felt like I was just as not.

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As president, but just as one member listening committee the whole, I felt.

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Like there were more than enough questions that it warranted taking more.

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Time so I still would prefer that it be referred to committee. If it isn't it.

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Could be taken up in second reading on february 5th, if the full council is.

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Still not satisfied they can postpone to a third reading on february 19th, but I.

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Would prefer that it go to a schedule where it's referred to an ad-hoc.

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Committee, that has the option of hearing it on the 12th and the 26th and.

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Would come back for final action on march? The 4th? Are there any further.

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Comments on this is it or we added. We have a motion just a point of.

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Clarification, maybe there could be a motion where you direct staff regarding.

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Their communications with the public on what will happen on the february 5th, I'm.

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Hearing two approaches you know: one is, let's move it to a committee for.

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Informal deliberations, the other is we have a chance to narrow issues at a.

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Public meeting next week different audiences in the room, so I would need.

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Some guidance from you, if you can provide me if you're asking us to make a.

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Motion now and not to decide on february 5th, then we may have to to have that.

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Motion now is that your intent, I'm asking for guidance from the counsel of.

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Regarding our communications to the public, they'll want to know, what's going.

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To happen next week and I'm hearing two different stories, so some clarification.

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So mister said we're not going to make a motion to your end, I'm not so sure what.

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That motion would be since we will be talking about it next week. Yeah you wake.

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It back we're gonna he's right, so we have there need to be a motion to.

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Refer to an ad hoc committee now know that any humidity has not been.

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Established it's established yeah, it's a definition of ad hoc. I am just thinking.

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About the public, who should be in the room, emotion regard to what we tell the.

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Public regarding, what's going to happen next week, so what we've done in the past.

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I'll tell you is: is after hearing from the council talking to the president, if.

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The matters to move it to a committee. We have a little note on the agenda saying.

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A motion to refer to a committee without.

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Discussion is anticipated, something like that, but I think that would do for now.

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Hearing that from you at this point, I'm hearing, let's see how far we can proceed.

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Next week, and if so motion to refer to committee is anticipated, I think that.

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Would be adequate notice without discussion without discussion, if you.

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Were to make that I think that would be, that doesn't mean the motion will be.

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Adopted no, it's just some guidance that we can share with the post and is there.

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Any objection to that designation being made by mr. shermin counselor a few.

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Months, smith, yes, it may be misleading. I hear at least one member of counsel who.

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Is the sponsor of this legislation who would like to have discussion of it? Next.

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If the motion fails, then we might not have the right people in the room for.

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The discussion that's why I would need some guidance from you. Okay, well.

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Somebody needs to make a motion. I'm asking to vote on a motion on this.

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Tonight, when the legislation wasn't subject of the agenda,.

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Does that matter? Mr. shermin we've done this in the past. It is you you're at a.

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Noticed meeting and is the this legislation is unders. It's under the.

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Rubric of schedule, so so new territory. For me, I'm at a point where I'm just.

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Looking, how do we, what do we set? Tell the public at this point, mr. simms thank.

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You um mr. shermin and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if it's properly.

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Noticed and it's on the agenda, then the appropriate staff will have been.

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Informed, and in this particular case it would be our council attorney staff and.

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Mr. rooker, I think some legal staff folks, so it's just like anything else. If.

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We notice it put it on the agenda and asked.

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That the staff effecting that particular ordinance or the resolution be present.

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That that don't strike me as being different than anything we've ever done.

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In the past, thank you for your patience. It will appear on your agenda next week.

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Based upon the motion made, the due pass recommendation you made last week so.

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That's how it's getting there! That agenda is approved by the president.

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So you there are nine of you in the room, we're talking about council schedule if.

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You have a definite idea about how you want to proceed next week regarding that.

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Item that can inform the president. It is odd, that's correct that we don't have.

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Under council schedule ordinance, you know 2000 whatever it is to talk about.

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So that's unusual so but I'm hearing two different directions from a council.

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Customer sandberg, initially my understanding from all the good.

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Questions that were generated from hearing from the tours themselves and.

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The staff who were here I thought there was going to be some discussion between.

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Then the professional staff as to what kind of new things that were introduced.

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To the mix could be forged, so my question to all of you is: has anybody.

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Been in touch with the players, the stakeholders to see what they have come.

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Up with between themselves, that would be an improvement to what we all heard and.

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We're not completely satisfied with so in ad hoc committees, I think, is adding a.

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Little bit of confusion of mix we're not even there yet we've not even approved.

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This idea of standing committees yet and again I want to make sure that the.

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Professional staff and the stakeholders, who brought up all the great questions.

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And concerns: are they communicating appropriately to bring to us the.

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Decision makers, something that we can vote on or are we supposed to.

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Design it is it now our jobs to do the work of staff. That's my question.

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Thank you customer sandburg customer versus campbell larry. No, she was done.

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Thank you so just to make sure I'm understanding.

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What you're needing from a public's perspective, they will want to know the.

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Public will want to know whether or not they'll have an opportunity to comment next week. Yeah, that is that correct, and can we not have that in a meeting in.

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Which we might also refer to committee, yes, so could we could we indicate that.

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On the agenda there will, in whatever language you think, is appropriate there.

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Will be opportunities for public comment on this? Yes, you could, and there is a.

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Possibility that this could be referred to committee, I would rather err in the.

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Direction of giving public more opportunities to come in rather than fewer, if that makes sense, and then we still have the option for.

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The ad hoc, if we want it, I bet that suits me. I don't know if any, because.

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That doesn't require a motion that works for me. Mr. sherman does that work for.

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You thank you, wait just to follow up to, and are you also asking for specific.

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Feedback on to whom we would like to reach out in the community, that would be.

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Great we, I have some idea from based upon your discussions last week, but I think I mean I don't have something in mind. Right now,.

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But maybe we should I what I heard were landlords in the downtown. They were not.

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In the room- and some of you wanted to know how this would affect them, so if.

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You want to just give feedback to staff. We can relay that to stake interested.

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Parties and and say if you want to comment next week.

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Please come and may well be referred to a committee and may I'd like to also.

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Recommend that we reach out to downtown bloomington inc. Yes, please we can do and.

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An extend an invitation to comment on this particular ordinance. Thank you.

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Thank you all comments well taken. I think that it obviates the need for a.

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Motion that we will take it up in some form on february 5th, even if we do.

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Decide later for a committee that works for me, mr.

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Sherman again, thank you for your patience. That was very helpful. We can.

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Relay that to the public last, it's just a confirmation. Over the last few months.

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City and county elected officials, some of them have met to talk about the.

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Convention center, I understand there's another meeting.

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Coming up and if I'm correct that's on monday february, 10th at 5 p.m. and since.

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This room is being occupied by the plan. Commission, I imagine it'll be in the.

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Natya hill room is correct. If I confirm that information with the county do I.

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Have permission to get that notice out this friday? Just because that's our.

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Usual release and I won't be able to do it the following friday, because it's too.

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Quick, yes, please, in case anyone doesn't know the continued discussion over a.

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Capital improvement board will be held on february 10th at 5 p.m. the natya.

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Hill room and I would urge staff to please all right place notice of it.

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Thank you. All members are encouraged to attend that meeting. All right with that.

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We go if that's if we have no other business, all in favor of german, say aye.

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We are adjourned. Thank you.

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