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Opportunity
for
public
comment,
followed
by
a
discussion
of
our
council
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and
then
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E
Thank
you
well
on
a
very
large
topic.
I'm
sure
we've
all
been
watching
what's
been
unfolding.
E
In
central
europe,
the
war
in
in
ukraine,
clearly
this
is
an
illegal
pre-emptive
war.
Should.
E
Be
condemned,
it
should
be
stopped
immediately
and
I
support
the
ukrainian
people
to
that
end.
E
This
doesn't
occur.
It
is
going
to
require
people
to
step
forward
as
they
did
in
the
1980s.
G
I'll
echo,
what
council
member
rallo
said
that
it's
a
terrible
situation.
G
Are
suffering
under
this
illegal
attack,
and
so
hopefully
we'll
get
through
this.
A
H
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
the
complaint
of
a
constituent
of
mine
on
14th
street.
H
H
And
their
academics
and
I'll
just
point
out
that,
while
I
believe
that
the
construction
is
within.
H
Their
right
to
to
start
that
early,
perhaps
we
should
be
rethinking
that
rule.
I
don't
think.
H
H
H
Underscore
this
complaint
as
one
that
we
should
be.
You
know
reconsidering
in
light
of.
H
The
obvious
disturbance
that
it
represents,
you
know
we
are
considering
on
a
regular
basis.
H
We're
gonna
be
thinking
about
one
of
those
tonight.
You
know
being
sensitive
to
its.
H
Effect
on
neighborhoods,
regardless
of
who
lives
in
them,
I
think,
is
something
that
every.
H
Member
of
this
council
is
concerned
about
so
I
want
to
express
my
my
concern
on
behalf
of
this.
H
Constituent
and
I
hope
that
there's
something
that
we
can
do
to
speak
with
the.
H
I
I
Food
access
and
improving
our
regional
food
system
so
excited
to
hear
from
them.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
That
facility
will
be
going
forward,
so
that
is
certainly
an
event
on
my
calendar.
I'm
very
eager.
A
And
so
exciting,
exciting
to
see
that
news
pop
on
my
social
media
feeds
today.
A
A
J
K
K
Not
sleep
also
joining
us
tonight
is
assistant
director
of
sustainability,
lauren
clements,
who.
K
L
Good
evening,
everyone,
thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening,.
L
Department
of
public
works
to
give
you
a
brief
history
and
background
on
this
pilot
program.
L
Throughout
the
city
were
part
of
the
original
innovation
team
pre-coven
we
were
able
to.
L
That
they
were
dissatisfied
with
the
service
for
a
number
of
reasons,
whether
the
trucks
came.
L
L
L
L
We
asked
the
22
households
to
mulch
and
compost
as
much
as
they
could
of
their.
L
L
L
I
know
myself
having
been
being
a
resident
of
the
city,
that
it's
always
the
situation
where
you.
L
L
L
Congratulations
to
grandview
hills,
working
with
the
hand
department
who
has
generously
donated.
L
L
L
L
L
In
addition,
top
10
neighborhoods
outside
of
the
the
winner
of
granview
hills,
also
received.
L
L
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
A
A
H
Like
it
we're
already
at
time,
if
we
can
just
go
to
questions,
I
I
don't
I'm
a
little.
H
A
Good
overview
of
the
program,
so
councilmember
rallo
question.
Yes,
I
I
want
to
first
give
you.
E
E
Colleague,
councilmember
piedmont,
smith,
because
she's
been
bringing
this
up
at
yearly
budgets.
E
E
K
K
K
K
A
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
dapta
for
the
report
and
everyone
else
that
participated.
D
Stations
to
pick
them
up
so
will
that
be
available
in
the
future.
I
know
that
they're.
D
You're
talking
about
a
an
additional
cost
for
the
vacuum
to
to
the
folks,
but
will.
D
K
Strategy
of
distributing
using
points
around
the
city
that
already
exists,
so
we
wouldn't
be.
K
Stack
of
up
to
10
bags
is
what
we
figured
in
the
costs.
Some
other
incentives
are
that
if
we've.
K
A
G
G
The
fee
be
for
households
for
the
only
fee
that
we
would
be
charging
or
that
we're
recommending.
K
Because
this
is
this
is
all
a
recommendation
is
that
it
would
be
twenty
dollars
per
pickup
for.
K
K
K
K
Year,
it
would
be
only
on-demand
collection
and
for
a
fee
20
per
per
pickup,
and
we're
assuming
that.
F
Yard
waste
bags
would
would
be
free,
and
what
about
the
pickup
of
the
yard
waste
is?
Is
there.
K
The
one
dollar
per
bag
fee-
that
is,
that
is
current,
so
we
weren't,
anticipating.
F
F
C
K
And
so
he
that
team,
together
enlisted
the
help
of
center
stone.
L
C
K
K
C
Council
members
want
to
go
it's
their
other
council
questions
not
seeing
any
so
go
ahead.
C
K
K
Program
so
there
there
is
a
momentum
that
happens
when
you
have.
I
think
that
visual
really.
K
K
K
A
Up
again
from
councilmember
rollo
yeah
comment
in
a
question
david:
do
we
so
take
those
leaves
and.
K
E
A
little
recommendation
being
a
local
grower,
there's
nothing
better
than
leaf
leaves
the
local.
E
How
well
those
plants
did
so
I
wonder
if
we
could
have
the
contact
point
between
residents.
E
Them
absolutely
that
might
be
another
avenue
to
explore,
so
we
actually
experimented
with
with.
K
That
during
the
pilot
using
the
facebook
group-
oh
good,
there
were
individual
yard
owners
who.
A
Any
I
do
want
to
thank
you,
ms
kidd,
for
presenting
your
powerpoint
in
advance
that.
A
Wonderful
report
we're
glad
to
to
hear
about
it.
After
after
the
pilot
and
after
after.
O
Hi
good
evening,
council
members
and
everybody
may
I
be
allowed
to
share
a
quick
presentation.
O
O
Will
be
a
succinct
presentation
with
time
for
many
questions
so
tonight
I'm
going
to
be.
O
O
Conservation
district
guidelines,
so
this
is
just
a
quick
overview
of
of
what
I
want.
O
O
They
for
bloomington
has
13
historic
and
conservation
districts
so
currently.
O
O
Whether
it's
a
commercial
district,
an
industrial
district
or
or
a
residential
district,
so
what.
O
Are
these
guidelines?
The
guidelines
are
locally
developed,
sort
of
instruction
manuals
created
by.
O
O
And
the
historic
preservation
commission,
the
purpose-
and
so
I
I
cited
on
the
presentation.
O
O
So
I
also
wanted
to
say
like
okay,
so
why
do
we
have
these
guidelines?
Bloomington,
like
many.
O
O
O
A
particular
property,
and
so
the
guidelines
are
literally
the
instruction
manuals
of
what.
O
Can't
you
can
and
can't
do
with
your
property
within
working
in
tandem
with
the
udo
and
working.
O
In
tandem
with
other
laws
and
bylaws
in
the
city,
so
the
guidelines
themselves
provide
historic.
O
Of
buildings
and
the
different
surveys
of
the
buildings,
they
also
provide
a
level
of
detail.
O
To
be
reviewed
and
the
instructions
of
what
can
and
can't
be
done,
and
they
also
distinguish
the.
O
O
O
Presentation
I
can't
go
into
detail,
but
you
can
definitely
look
at
all
those
guidelines
later
on.
O
O
But
they
are
here,
we
have
commercial
areas,
we
have
a
lot
of
residential
areas,
vernacular.
O
The
changes
or
lack
of
changes
they
want
to
see
within
their
within
their
properties.
Another
thing.
O
O
O
O
O
That
are
originally
created
when
a
conservation
district
is
created.
That's
a
whole
other.
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
Each
of
them
has
a
different
process
of
how
to
do
that,
and
with
that
I
yeah
open
it
up
for.
O
O
D
By
working
with
the
community,
if
I've
gotten
that
correct,
I
guess
my
question
is
how.
O
Of
contents
very
quickly,
I
apologize
for
that
page
29.
A
O
Yes,
I'm
sorry
yeah,
so
basically
the
community,
the
standard
practice
would
be
for
the.
O
Community
to
show
interest,
they
would
arrange
meetings
amongst
themselves
and
they
would
email.
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
an
example
would
could
that
include
roofing
or
exterior
of
a
historic
house.
D
D
Already
approved
it,
yes,
no,
not
necessarily
total
revisions,
but
maybe
an
aspect
where.
O
P
O
Quite
a
while,
but
that
said
yes,
evolving
technology
is
something
that
is
incorporated.
O
And
and
some
historic
districts
talk
more
explicitly
about
how
to
incorporate.
O
O
A
A
A
With
the
various
historic
preservation
units
here
in
the
city
and
making
sure
that.
A
A
A
A
And
mr
lucas,
if
we
can
call
on,
I
believe,
conor
bickle
is
our
first
comment.
A
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
A
R
And
if
you're
not
able
to
locate
the
race
hand
feature
under
either
of
those
places,
please
just.
A
We're
perhaps
waiting
just
a
minute
or
two
remind
people
that
also
council
is
happy
to
receive.
A
My
thanks
to
everybody
all
of
my
colleagues
for
working
so
hard
on
filling
these
vacancies.
What
I.
A
With
each
team
each
interview
team,
if
you
would
please
make
all
of
your
your
recommendations,.
E
Heard
me
to
the
bloomington
arts,
commission
seat,
c3
suzanne.
E
E
E
Seat
c2
the
bloomington
redevelopment
commission,
deborah
meyerson
to
the
seat
c1
of
the
tree.
E
Commission
mary
welts
and
to
seat
c
2
of
the
bloomington
tree
commission
stephanie
freeman
day.
A
Let's
have
our
clerk
call
the
roll
I'm
seeing
a
hand
up.
E
E
And
seat
c2
of
the
redevelopment
commission
will
be
deborah
meyerson
and
I
believe
that
that.
E
Is
her
her
current
seat
this
time,
because
she
is,
I
think,
my
I
think
I
had
a
delay
and.
I
I
could
not
understand,
because
I
didn't
know
that
we
had
a
trade
commission.
A
Seconded
and
no
further
questions
will
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
B
H
Yes,
madam
chair,
I'd
like
to
make
the
following
nominations:
let
me
I'm
trying
to
pull
up
my.
H
Notes
too,
here
team
b
would
like
to
nominate
satish
fuyuri
to
seat
c1
of
the
community
advisory.
H
To
seat
c4
of
the
traffic
commission
and
david
sabod,
for
I'm
not
sure
what
seat.
B
B
B
P
Of
of
the
full
list
could
would
clerk
both
mind
repeating
briefly,
the
emotion
we
just.
B
D
I
move
recommendation
for
reappointment
for
the
animal
control
commission,
seat,
c1,
ceta,
cohen.
N
A
A
Service
and
with
that,
it
is
time
to
move
on
to
legislation
for
second
readings
and
resolutions.
B
C
Second,
all
right
and
who
is
with
us
this
evening
to
present
on
the
cdbg
john
zodie,
the
director.
T
T
Members
on
behalf
of
the
administration
and
the
staff
at
the
housing
and
neighborhood
development.
T
T
Community,
and
so
what
we
are
presenting
to
you
tonight
is
recommendations
for
the
awarding.
T
Of
dollars
to
17
local
organizations
totaling
about
1.1
million
dollars.
T
T
Around
the
city,
so
the
recommendations
are
before
you:
they
were
passed
unanimously
by
the.
A
Did
you
have
any
kind
of
screen
to
share
with
us
to
show
who
gets
those
awards
or
was.
A
See
if
council
would
like
to
get
a
review?
Yes,
council,
member
piedmont,
smith
see
your
first
hand.
F
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
president,
and
thank
you,
mr
zodi,
for
the
benefit
of
the
public.
I
would.
F
Appreciate
if
mr
zodi
or
the
meeting
host
could
share
the
screen
and
show
the
proposed
allocations.
T
I'm
glad
to
do
that
here
unless
mr
lucas,
if
it's
easier
for
you
to
if
you've
got
it.
A
All
right
with
that
information
on
the
screen,
again,
councilmember
piedmont
smith.
Did
you
have.
F
R
A
Piedmont
smith,
for
any
final
comment
or
question
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
to
make
sure
we
had
a
few.
F
F
G
I
have
no
knowledge
of
it
meshing
with
the
physical
aspects
of
it.
Maybe
perhaps
mr
zodie
has.
T
Recommendation
for
sidewalk
improvements
on
adams
street,
so
were
you
looking
for
clarification
on.
T
Information
from
you
or
for
you
excuse
me
that
we
can
follow
up
with
you,
but
does
that.
R
Yes,
in
the
council's
sidewalk
recommendations,
the
council
was.
R
R
Thousand
dollars
in
other
funds,
which
I
believe
is
the
amount
recommended
in
this
resolution.
R
D
A
shout
out
to
the
members
of
the
cac
as
well
a
lot
of
hard
work
that
goes
in
here
can.
D
D
Are
projections,
so
can
you
explain
to
the
public
what
happens
in
the
event.
T
Entitles
us
to
receive
that
money
directly
rather
than
going
through
the
state
of
indiana.
So.
T
Through
the
state,
the
state
government
to
to
get
allocated
dollars
for
different
projects.
T
As
well
as
that
that
will
contain
our
goals
for
the
next
program
year.
We
are
currently
in.
T
T
T
In
the
summer,
if,
if
not
just
before,
and
so
the
knowing
that
the
citizens
advisory
committee.
T
Awarded
will
get
a
proportional
amount
more
or
a
proportional
amount
less,
depending
on
the
amount.
T
The
city
receives
for
physical
improvements,
the
cac
decided
to
order
some
projects.
T
An
additional
point
to
your
question
that
we
are
talking
about
the
figure
of
900
000.
T
Expend
those
dollars
in
an
organized
fashion,
and
so
we
are
recommending
due
to
the
need
and
the.
T
T
000
that
you
may
see
in
there
and
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
discussed
publicly
as
well.
A
And
seeing
that
I
will
just
thank
our
council
colleagues,
council,
member
smith
and
council.
A
Member
rosenberger
for
also
participating
in
these
allocations
and
working
with
the
cac.
B
Okay,
I
seem
to
have
lost
council
member
piedmont
smith,
so
we'll
move
on
to
rosenberger.
B
B
A
Attorney
to
remind
us
about
the
public
comment
period
this
evening,
and
what
that.
R
Item
will
serve
as
the
statutorily
required
public
hearing,
where
any
objections
and
remonstrances.
R
U
Sandberg
good
evening,
council,
members
and
members
of
the
public,
I'm
alex
crowley
director.
U
Again,
this
evening
with
you
to
review
this
important
economic
opportunity
and
we
and
we
have.
U
U
We
hope
you
will
similarly
just
demonstrate
your
strong
support
for
the
confirmatory.
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
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D
Thank
you,
mr
crowley,
for
the
presentation
not
only
now,
but
at
the
work
session
and
at.
D
The
comedian
before
all
that
so,
but
thank
you
very
much
one
of
the
things
that.
D
D
Attractiveness
and
what
it
is
that
you
do
and
other
economic
development
orgs
in
our
community.
U
U
Is
it
depends,
and
which
is
it
sort
of
depends
on
what
the
needs
of
the
potential.
U
Employer
growth-
or
you
know,
arrival
would
be
in
this
particular
case.
Catalan's
investment
is.
U
So
heavily
skewed
to
personal
property
and
that
given
indi
how
indiana
stacks
up
in
some
cases.
U
Against
other
states,
that
is
a
particular
point
of
pain
for
them,
other
employers.
You
know
I.
U
Who
is
you
know
in
a
very
niche
market
and
in
fact,
what
they
need
need
more
than
anything
else.
U
Is
involvement
with
the
jacobs
school
of
music?
So
you
know
you,
you,
you
meet
with
people
and.
U
And
different
organizations
have
very
different
needs.
Some
people
are
interested
in
coming
to.
U
U
U
U
That
that
is
causing
you
know,
pain
to
that
that
potential
growth
or
or
investment.
D
Okay,
thank
you
and
it
may
not
come
down
to
just
abatements,
because
I'm
not
so.
D
Sure
that
we
would
approve
a
whole
bunch
of
these
going
forward.
But
I
was
more
concerned
about.
U
Abatements,
you
know
we,
we
have
not
come
to
you
all
that
often
with
them.
We
are.
U
Know
sometimes
it
is
the
difference,
and
so
we
need
to
be
prepared
for
those
instances
when
it
is.
U
And
we
also
don't
want
to,
as
you
say,
we
don't
want
to,
you
know,
put
them
on
the
table
unnecessarily.
E
Dependent
upon
a
particular
economic
sector,
that
is,
they
had
a
single
large
employer.
E
That,
when
it
left,
it
was
an
enormous
vacuum
to
fill.
I
know
that
this
is
a
targeted
economic.
E
U
U
Ask
andrew
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
durability
in
in
in
downturns,
but
I
can.
U
Try
to
generally
answer
that,
but
the
the
the
first
question
was
about
diversification.
U
U
U
Effect,
diversification
of
employers
in
in
the
city
is
really
really
important.
You
know,
and
if.
U
You're,
if
you're
your
talent,
you
know
and
there's
a
lot
of
communities
competing
for.
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U
U
U
U
U
U
U
Councilman
rolo
was
about
the
durability
of
of
this
industry
and
in
economic
downturns,
sure.
V
V
V
Markets
and
and
much
beyond
the
non-covet
programs,
as
alex
mentioned
earlier,
that
we
do.
V
Biologic
sectors,
so
historically
I
can't
speak.
Historically,
I
can
tell
you
today
we
are
seeing.
V
A
significant
demand
for
the
biologics
that
we
we
potentially
can
manufacture
here
in
bloomington.
V
And
we've
seen
some
significant
economic
downturns
in
those
20
years
and
the
the
biologic
sector.
V
Is
is
a
very
strong
sector
and
the
innovation
that's
coming
out?
Okay,.
H
H
Restate
it
how
why
aren't
we
putting
three
million
dollars
into
30
companies
instead
of
one.
H
H
Grew
big:
they
started
diversifying
all
over
the
country
in
the
world
cook.
Do
they
really
need.
H
H
H
That's
diversification
yeah
well,
and
I
and
I
think
the
answer
that
council
member
volun.
U
U
Is
not
the
only
card
that
all
of
us
all
of
you
and
and
and
the
city
is,
is
playing?
We
are.
U
We
are
playing
a
multi-faceted
game
here
where,
for
example,
you
know
we
put
in
millions
of.
U
U
Of
early
stage
play,
we
are,
we
successfully
applied
for
and
received
federal
monies
to.
U
Help
us
fund
the
the
trades
district
technology
center
center
through
the
economic
development.
U
U
The
envisages
of
the
world
to
much
smaller
companies,
as
you
point
out,
you
know,
with
with.
U
Things
like
the
buea
and
our
rapid
response
fund
at
the
moment
of
crisis.
So
there
are
a
lot
of.
U
U
U
H
Community
attractive
to
those
companies
seeking
tax
abatements,
I
mean
catalan-
has
demonstrated.
H
H
Over
I
mean
combined
the
two
companies
in
that
location
have
doubled
in
size
over
the
past.
H
Two
decades:
why
don't
we
think
that
that
growth
is
going
to
happen
anyway,
I
mean
they
already
have.
H
So
much
sunk
cost
here.
You
know
they're
they're
they're
thinking
about
investing
here
for
a
reason.
H
H
U
Your
point:
what
we're
learning
is
incremental
capital
investment,
so
they
are
here
but
they're.
U
U
You
know
we
compete
less
well
in
other
aspects.
One
of
those
aspects
is:
is
taxation
on
personal.
U
Which,
I
hope
we
all
agree
is,
is
a
very
strong
and
positive
development
for
us.
Then
what
we're.
U
U
U
H
H
The
only
substantive
tax
on
business
in
the
state
of
indiana
anymore
is
the
personal.
H
H
To
it-
and
I
agree
with
you
that
it's
an
interconnected,
you
know
complicated
whole,
but.
H
U
Real
estate
property,
real
property
is
also
taxable
on
businesses
right,
so
so
that.
U
U
Is
maybe
94
real
property,
six
percent
personal
property?
So
in
terms
of
just
the
overall.
U
Contribution
of
real
property
tax,
you
know,
taxes
paid
it's.
It
far
outweighs.
U
You
know
not
to
assume
that
the
taxpayer
will
will
bear
the
burden
of
the
cumulative
amount
of.
U
U
U
H
U
But
including
tax
revenue
calculations
that
it
is
a
significant
significantly
positive.
A
Council,
member
flaherty,
yes,
thank
you,
mr
crowley,
for
the
presentation.
I
appreciate.
P
What's
been
said,
with
regard
to
the
the
desirability
of
this
expansion,
of
course,.
P
Quote
verbatim
from
indiana
code,
an
economic
revitalization
area
means
an
area.
P
P
P
P
Job
you
know,
growth
and
good
wages
are,
of
course,
good
things
that
all
of
us
want.
I
don't.
P
Think
anyone
would
disagree
with
any
of
the
benefits
that
have
been
sort
of
shared,
but.
P
Benefits:
we've
talked
about
with
good
wages,
job
growth,
etc.
Why
this
property
justifies.
P
The
creation
of
an
era
within
the
the
guidance
of
indiana
code
that
it's
you
know
undesirable.
U
Been
stagnant
since
the
departure
of
of
catalan
or
I'm
sorry
of
thompson
and
really
do
need
to.
U
U
U
And
and
us
that
really
kind
of
focused
to
try
to
get
this
activated
and
have
had
some
success.
U
U
U
That
reactivated
in
a
way
that
used
to
be
pretty
vibrant,
so
you
know,
I
think
I
think
that
that's.
U
Basically,
how
I
think
about
it-
and
I
you
know
I
I
know
that
you
know
there
there's
a
lot
of.
U
P
Can
I
follow
up,
madam
president,
sure
so
to
clarify
that
the
other
factors
portion.
P
Of
that
text
applies
to
the
reasons
why
it's
become
undesirable,
for
or
impossible
of
growth.
P
Needed
to
as
a
condition
for
expansion,
as
opposed
to
simply
something
we'd
like.
P
Is
there
any
any
additional
detail
to
add
to
justify?
Well,
I
thought
I
could
start
andrew.
U
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
jump
in,
but
let
me
start-
and
you
know
what
we
heard
at
the.
U
Last
meeting
was
cert
from
catalan
and
from
their
representatives
the
competitive.
U
Disadvantage
that
we
have
relative
to
this
to
the
personal
property,
you
know
liabilities.
U
That
is
a
significant
pain
point,
and
so
that
is
something
that
you
know
again.
We
are
trying.
U
Investment
and
jobs-
and
you
know
that
is
very
much
an
issue
that
they
are.
They
are
challenged.
U
With
so
that,
that's
you
know
financially
a
real.
You
know
cost
issue
for
them.
V
And
that's
why
this
abatement
would
help
us
in
that
venture.
So
that's
that's
where
we're.
V
For
growth
opportunities
and
I'm
committed
to
helping
to
grow
our
business
here
in
bloomington.
P
Guess
that
I
feel,
like
I
haven't
seen
understood
we,
we
do
certain
models.
V
This
this
scenario
includes
this.
This
scenario
includes
that,
but
you
know
if,
if
we
don't.
V
H
Yeah
I
wanted
to
again
follow
up
on
some
questions
that
have
been
asked
since
I
asked
mine.
H
Paid
off
and
it
made
sense
in
2003
2004,
when
we,
when
we
invested
in
cook,
pharmaca
and.
H
You
know,
like
catalan,
has
shown
how
they
can
they
made
that
business
make
even
more
sense.
H
U
So
let
me
try
to
answer
that.
Council
member
and
I
think
it's
really
two
questions.
U
I
mean,
I
think
you
know
just
just
to
clarify
the
the
local
income
tax
and
real
estate
tax.
U
You
know,
obviously
it's
sort
of
two
different
things
and,
and
you
know,
discussions
about.
U
Different
competitive
set
than
you
know
that
a
comparison
set
of
how
we
stack
up
against
other.
U
Counties
in
the
state
and
to
your
first
point
you
know
I
you
know
I
I'm
not.
I'm
not
sure
that.
U
H
H
To
be
built
on
or
yet
to
be,
redeveloped,
but
I
mean
already
it's
been
a
smashing
success.
No
one.
H
H
Gary
or
muncie
anymore,
so
how
do
you?
How
do
you
square
that
circle?
Well,
I
think
you
need
to
take.
U
U
Is
where
it
is
right
now
has
seen
some
some
some
life
breathe
back
into
it
and
and
then.
U
U
Base
and
and
it
just
you
know,
it's
it's
getting
there
it's
you
know
it's
definitely
advancing.
U
What
we're
trying
to
do
so
just
go
ahead,
so
I
mean
so.
I
would
point
to
you
know
some.
U
U
H
H
H
U
Any
indication
the
county
is
interested
in
you
know
is
interested
in
the
potential
sale
of
that.
U
Property
right
now,
I
I
honestly
I'm
not.
I
have
not
been
here
long
enough
to
understand
the
full.
U
U
Right
deal
and
right
growth
prospects
to
to
to
have
that
land
redevelop,
correct
yeah.
I
don't
have.
H
A
problem
with
that:
it's
just
that
it
was
in
government
hands
directly
to
redevelop
it,
and
it's.
H
Not
like
private
industry
was
pining
to
develop
that
land
until
the
county
decided.
They
didn't.
H
U
U
Potentially
other
purposes
you
know
I,
I
would
imagine
that
if
you
know
the
right
offer
come.
U
U
U
E
And
and
maybe
we
could
clarify
a
bit
councilmember
volin
spoke
to.
Formerly
we
had.
E
E
Time
we
discussed
that
this
would
be
over
a
thousand
jobs
added
to
the
employment.
E
We
discussed
that
about
half
of
those
would
be
living
within
the
county.
Half
of
those
would.
E
Be
commuters
from
outside.
I
do
appreciate
that,
because
I
think
that
we
are
a
regional
employment.
E
Center,
so
it
is
important,
but
how
many
of
the
jobs
would
be
filled
by
existing
residents
now.
E
Neighboring
states
or
across
the
country
or
that
sort
of
thing
I'm
just
curious
about
serving.
E
Could
could
you
address
that
exactly
I'll
I'll
take
to
take
a
stab
at
that
alex?
If
that's
okay,.
V
And
thank
you
again,
councilman
earl
for
your
question.
I
can't
predict
where
people
are
going
to.
V
Change
heavily,
I
can't
predict
that,
but
we
do
target
people
in
our
area,
talent
in
our
area.
E
E
Obviously,
iu
has
is
training
people
in
in
biology
and
biotechnology
and
microbiology
and.
E
That
I
probably
should
have
issued
earlier,
mr
crowley,
do
you
have
anything
to
add.
U
Out
of
state
or
out
of
you
know
further
away,
you
know,
I
think,
what's
important
to
us
as
we
look.
U
At
it
is
we
we
do
want
to
provide
opportunities
for
the
local
population.
You
know,
I
think,
as
I.
U
U
U
U
That
catalan
does
focus
locally,
because
I
think
that
that
that
does
provide
you
know,
presumably.
U
A
An
important
part
of
this
this
process,
yes
for
members
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
comment.
R
Please
use
the
raise
hand
function
to
do
so.
You
can
find
that
feature
under
the
reactions,
tab
or.
W
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M
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M
A
Y
Thank
you,
council
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
this
evening.
I'm
eric
swinmore
president.
Y
The
greater
bloomington
chamber
of
commerce
and
appreciate
being
able
to
share
our
perspective.
Y
Y
Y
Y
Indiana,
we've
traditionally
done
very
well
with
attracting
the
types
of
jobs
and
investments
that.
Y
Y
Kinds
of
things
will
need
to
be
a
priority
for
public
sector
leaders
to
really
ensure.
Y
Come
from
these
abatements
and
various
economic
development
tools,
and
we
would
just
encourage.
Y
Thank
you
all
very
much
again
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
here
appreciate
all.
Y
The
work
that
you
put
into
this
stuff
and
have
a
great
evening,
thank
you,
mr
spumar,.
R
Next
is
ariana
gunderson.
Thank
you,
hi,
I'm
arianna
gunderson,
and
I
urge
you
to
oppose
this.
S
S
S
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
AA
Great
thank
you
good
evening,
members
of
the
city
council,
I
got
to
say
I
really
appreciate
jeff.
AA
Mckim's
comments
they
were
so
spot-on.
What
I
wanted
to
do
is
maybe
provide
a
little.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
R
AB
That's
rare:
this
is
jeff
flosslich
from
cardinal
spirits,
we're
bloomington's.
AB
Oldest
and
only
distillery,
we're
located
not
far
actually
from
catalan,
and
I
would
just
urge.
AB
AB
Are
high
paying
in
fact,
we've
had
to
increase
our
starting
wages
to
be
competitive
and.
AB
Community
for
wages
based
on
what
catalan
was
paying
and
I've
heard
anecdotally
from
others
and.
AB
AB
That's
because
we've
hired
away
two
managers
from
there
they
had
felt
like
they
wanted
to
work.
AB
AB
AB
Good
about
and
hear
about,
their
sustainability
issues
and
their
great
track
record
on
that.
AB
AB
Number
of
people
also
have
a
family
and
recruited
people
to
the
area,
both
for
work
and
just
for.
AB
Social
purposes
and
I
like
to
serve
and
help
out
the
community
in
a
number
of
ways.
I'm
always.
AB
Anxious
about
our
reputation
in
the
broader
community
when
I
travel
around
the
state.
AB
AB
It's
still
a
challenge
to
do
that
here
and
a
lot
of
times.
These
decisions
are
made.
A
R
A
Comment
would
that
be
you
councilmember
volun,
you
have
a
hand
up.
Yes,
I
do
thank
you.
H
On
the
new
tdm
program,
can
we
get
some
detail
on
what
that
program
is
yeah.
U
Yes,
so
if
you
recall
council
member
volun,
the
tdm
plan
that
was
put
that
was
adopted
back.
U
In
2019,
you
know
laid
out
a
variety
of
different
recommendations.
What
we
are
doing.
U
Ride
amigos,
which
has
a
bloomington
office
and
bloomington
history
and
and
serves
hundreds.
U
You
know
scooters
or
layers
that
involve
carpooling
and
other
other.
You
know
van.
U
Pooling
that
sort
of
thing,
so
it
becomes
a
kind
of
centralized
individual
tool
for.
U
Non
single
I
could
speed
single
occupancy
vehicle
travel.
What
we'll
do
is
wrap
around.
U
That
a
marketing
program,
a
branding
program
and
then
also,
as
I
noted
in
in
my
presentation.
U
We're
going
to
rely
heavily
on
partnerships
in
in
the
private
sector
to
help
get
the
word
out
so.
U
So
the
fact
that
catalan
is
committed
to
doing
that
and
they've
done
so
formally.
U
U
U
Fan
pooling
or
carpooling
and
and
other
other
ways
of
managing
their
their
transportation.
Okay,.
H
U
Really
rely
on
engagement,
sort
of
you
know
the
the
end
user
engagement
levels.
U
It
it
sort
of
gamifies
a
little
bit
the
the
you
know,
the
the
transportation
decisions
you
make
so.
H
I've
got
another
question,
but
I'll
hold
it
for
anybody
else.
A
H
H
County,
so
they
have
some
idea
of
where
their
employees
are
now,
but
their
hr
should
at
least.
U
U
U
It's
a
it's
a
stimulating
question.
I
think
it'll
be
interesting
to
understand.
H
H
V
Relatively
available
for
us
to
look
at,
it
would
be
great
if
you
have
it
already,
but
if.
H
A
And
council
member
ralla
did
you
wish
to
make
a
comment?
Yes,
I
would
thank
you
thanks
for.
E
All
the
good
public
input,
I
really
appreciated
everyone
speaking
out
many
good
comments.
E
This
evening
to
consider-
and
I
appreciate
my
colleagues
questions
as
well-
I
think
that.
E
These
are
it's
it's
appropriate
to
scrutinize
this
public
investment.
It
is
requires
careful.
E
Examination
and
I
appreciate
mr
crowley
and
mr
espaio
responding
to
the
council's
inquiry.
E
All
sides
and
I'll
I'll
begin
with
mr
juania's
comments,
which
I
think
are
very
appropriate.
E
Need
to
consider
about
in
terms
of
economic
investment
in
in
this
community
that
enhances.
E
Human
well-being
and
is
creates
the
means
by
which
we
could
may
attain
a
circular
economy
for.
E
A
lot
of
land,
the
corporate
model
farming
is
terribly
destructive
to
soils,
water
use
and.
E
E
And
I
credit
mr
crowley
for
being
very
attentive
to
that
and
working
to.
E
Develop
that
it's
in
its
infancy,
but
I
think
that
we've
been
serious
about
it
now
in
terms.
E
Of
this
particular
economic
sector,
I
think
that
it
is
rather
has
a
soft
impact
in
terms
of.
E
Its
ecological
impact,
it's
not
an
extractive
industry,
it
doesn't
require
tremendous
amounts
of.
E
E
Of
the
claim
and
council
member
piedmont
smith
said
this
last
time:
growth
for
growth
sake,
because.
E
E
The
site
is
targeted
in
terms
of
development,
it
is
a
major
employer
for
the
community.
E
Employing
local
residents,
obviously
ivy
tech
has
been
very
responsive
in
terms
of
its
training.
E
For
this
for
local
and
regional
residents,
the
range
of
skill
sets,
I
think,
is
very
good.
E
Important
for
this
this
community,
we
have
a
lot
of
service
we're
high
in
service
economy.
Here.
E
Council
member
sandberg
said
last
time
and
I
think
that
an
average
wage
of
32
an
hour
is
a
real.
E
About
the
regional
employment
as
well,
where
we
are
a
regional
employer,
we
have
a
consequence.
E
For
residents
of
surrounding
counties
not
having
adequate
employ
employment
opportunities.
E
Of
of
this
abatement-
and
I
think
the
returns
on
this
investment
for.
E
Of
catalan
have
been
significant,
and
so
I
expect
I
will
expect
them
to
fulfill
or
over
fulfill
as.
E
Councilmember
scamilari
said
last
time
their
commitment
so
I'll
be
supporting
this
thanks.
P
Perspectives
that
have
been
shared
from
folks
in
public,
my
colleagues
folks
presenting
first.
P
P
P
P
And
we
have
specific
statutory
guidance
about
when
they
are
appropriate,
but
as
I've
kind.
P
Of
indicated
in
the
past,
in
our
discussion
of
this,
that's
where
I
run
into
some
trouble.
P
P
P
P
P
With
any
level
of
specificity
to
do
so,
at
least
for
me,
catalin
would
need
to
demonstrate.
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
G
Thank
you.
You
all
pretty
much
know
my
position
that
I
think
this
is
a
great.
G
Opportunity,
the
tax
abatement,
land
landscape
has
really
shifted
and
it's
a
lot
different
now.
G
As
miss
canary
said,
she
wants
her
kids
to
be
able
to
grow
up
here
and
have
a
good
job
and.
G
G
G
G
G
They
have
good
values
that
we're
seeing
in
their
corporate
groups.
You
know
the
question
here
is.
G
G
More
jobs,
you
know,
I'm
not
a
statistician
with
that
group,
but
it's
a
very
powerful
argument.
F
F
This
is
not
a
no-brainer
to
me
at
all.
This
is
a
very
difficult
decision.
F
I
don't
see
it
as
a
win-win.
I
I
see
this
whole
process
of
tax
abatements.
F
By
your
rules,
we're
basically
bribing
catalin
to
expand
here.
F
I
mean
this
is
a
corporation
three
billion
dollars
of
revenues
in.
F
To
vote
against
this
tax
abatement,
it's
not
going
to
change
anything.
F
F
Certainly,
one
vote
here
in
bloomington
is
not
going
to
do
the
trick.
F
We
will
have
to
become
more
self-reliant
as
individuals
and
as
as
communities
around
the
world.
F
Will
already
await
us
in
in
30
years.
F
And
you
know,
that's
all
good
stuff,
so
you
know
I
don't
I'm
not
crazy
about
it.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
everyone
for
the
conversations
this
week
and
at
the
last
meeting.
I
I
have
found
found
everything
really
helpful.
This
was
a
really
tough
one
for
me
and
I
really.
I
I
I
Until
we
really,
you
know,
look
at
look
at
those
systems,
I
think
think
it's
just
so
difficult.
I
I
I
I
I
We
don't
have
housing
for
them,
so
that
doesn't
mean
they
do
have
good
jobs,
but
it
means
that,
like.
I
I
I
I
I
I
That's
just
another
case
that
this
doesn't
feel
equitable
to
me,
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of.
I
I
To
be
an
and
instead
and
you
know
you
can
have,
we've
had
many
puds
come
in
that
have
paid
for
a.
I
I
Was
on
the
table,
so
I
just
think
the
lack
of
willing
to
negotiate
is
a
turn
off
for
me.
I
And
and
help
reach
goals
and
our
climate
action
plan
that,
to
me
are
very
real.
I
don't
think
it.
I
Had
to
be
that
either
or
so
that's
I
think
most
of
my
reasoning
that
I
have
scribbled
out
here.
H
H
H
H
Attention
to
our
budget
and
that's
praise
that
goes
to
every
administration
and
council
before.
H
H
To
buy
that
modest
amount
of
information
like
what
percentage
of
their
applicants.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
But
let's
make
an
assumption:
we
have
58
59
of
the
population
of
the
county.
If
we
multiply
that.
H
Of
tax
abatements
is
problematic
and
partly
because
catelyn
couldn't
do
the
one
thing.
H
H
A
C
Said
I've
learned
a
lot
during
this
process
too.
So
here's
my
thinking.
C
C
D
Thank
you,
madam
president,
I
will
be
supporting
this
legislation
this
evening.
D
Much
of
it,
I
agree
with
much
of
it.
I
can
you
know,
I'm
not
so
sure
how
relevant
it
is.
D
From
climate
change
within
action
and
resilience
from
some
of
those.
D
D
D
The
country,
the
state,
including
ball
state,
indian
indiana
state,
have
lost
enrollment
and
I.
D
D
And
all
of
our
local
businesses
we
never
ever
want
to
not
give
them
credit
for
what
they
do.
D
D
D
D
But
I've
heard
a
lot
of
good
things.
I
really
like
their
dei
initiatives
and
how
we
are
trying.
D
I
don't
see
a
whole
lot
of
difference
with
other
employers
and
one
of
the.
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
So
I
tend
to
not
see
the
relevance
of
that,
even
though
I
can
respect
it,
but
I
also
want.
D
To
thank
them,
mr
espejo,
and
all
those
folks
from
catalin
and
mr
crowley
for
this
live
discussion.
D
And
and
my
colleagues,
I
too
learned
a
lot
and
I
will
agree.
This
is
definitely
not
a
no-brainer.
D
Is
definitely
not
that
and
and
thank
you
I
will
be
supporting
this.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Opportunity
in
front
of
us
that
I
feel
very
strongly
that
we
must
take
so
again
thanks
to.
H
H
H
H
H
H
A
P
N
R
I
don't
see
any
comments
at
the
moment.
A
R
Committee
meeting,
so
it
would
be
appropriate
for
the
council
to
consider
a
motion
to
cancel.
R
B
Sorry
about
that,
I
wasn't
quite
ready:
councilmember
piedmont,
smith;
yes,.
B
A
R
At
the
old
hospital
site
that
will
be
ready
for
introduction
march
23rd.
So
unless
there.
H
H
Remote
meeting
order,
that's
a
good
question.
I
don't
know
if
mr
lucas
has
any
guidance
on
that.
R
We
will
know
by
friday
for
sure
we
we
have
heard
from
some
folks
at
the
state
that
he
may.
R
Extend
it
a
bit
further,
but
I
they
weren't
sure
so
it's
possible
he'll
extend
it
another
30.