City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 4 Sep 2019

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Seeing we have a quorum I'd like to call.

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Thank you seeing that we have a quorum I'd like to call to order this committee.

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Meeting of the bloomington common council for september, 4th 2019 will the.

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Clerk, please call the roll chopra. Thank you p month, smith granger, president.

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Rallo here boland here, simms yeah, stir bomb yeah sandburg here. Thank you. Thank.

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You I'll give the agenda summation and if.

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You would like an agenda. You can find them beside the clerk on her desk you're.

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Welcome to have one well, but no approval of minutes. We have no approve no minutes.

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To approve we'll go to reports from council members, then we'll have a.

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Reports from the mayor and city offices, council committee reports and then we a.

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Lot 20 minutes for the public to speak on items not on our agenda. Then we will.

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Go to appointments to the boards and commissions before our legislation for.

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Second reading and resolutions, we have one item this evening and that is.

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Ordinance 1912, that is, to amend the city of bloomington zoning maps by rezoning.

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3.85 acres of property from commercial arterial ca to planned unit development.

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And approve a district ordinance and preliminary plan regarding 1,800 north.

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Walnut street cdg acquisitions, llc petitioner and that received a land use.

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Committee recommendation on the 28th of august 2019 do pass 0 1 3. It had a it.

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Was referred to the land use committee by regular session on the 31st of july.

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Of emotion, 7, 0 0, then we'll go to legislation for first reading. We have.

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Four items ordinance 1915 an ordinance authorizing the refunding of certain.

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Outstanding sewage works, revenue, bonds of the city authorizing the issuance of.

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The city of bloomington indiana sewage works, refunding revenue, bonds of 2019 to.

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Provide funds for such refunding and the payment of the cost thereof and.

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Addressing other matters connected therewith second item for first reading.

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Is ordinance 1916 to amend title 10 of the bloomington municipal code entitled.

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Wastewater rate adjustment item 3 for first reading, as ordinance 1917 to amend.

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Title 10 of the bloomington municipal code, bmc entitled wastewater regarding.

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Amending bmc ten point: zero, eight point: zero, four, zero connection fees to allow.

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Waiver of those fees in two limited circumstances to promote, promote.

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Conversion of septic to sewer and to complement certain city, affordable.

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Housing programs and then our last item item four four. First readings ordinance.

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1918 to authorize the issuance of bonds by the monroe county redevelopment.

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Commission, pursuant to indiana code, 36 714 three point five. Then we allow.

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Additional public comment for items non-iron on our agenda maximum of 25 minutes at the end of our meeting before we go to.

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Council schedule and then adjournment, so we have no minutes to approve. We will go.

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To reports from council members and I'll begin on my right, councilmember ruff do.

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You have a report no report tonight. Thank you, councilmember chopra, brief.

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Remarks this evening, given the attendance of the police unit, this.

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Evening union this evening, I first want to say that I'm glad to see so many.

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Members here I'm gonna say this because most people probably don't know this, but.

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I'm a deputy prosecutor, not in this county but in lawrence county and part.

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Of my job is to really read police reports and, if you do that as part of.

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Your job, you see how important law enforcement officers are for our.

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Community and I'm going to take this opportunity just to thank you for all of.

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Your service and the things that you do both big and small.

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To serve our community and to protect us some small things that people don't.

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Realize that you do every day are things like travel at a high rate of speed in.

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Your vehicle to respond to other people's emergencies, which every time you do, that is a danger to you, sweep glass off of the roadway after an.

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Accident, that's not something people! Think of that. You do all the time. I've.

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Seen a police report where there was a child who was being neglected and an.

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Officer changes, the kids, very soiled diaper, and so those are some of the.

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Small things that officers do every day to serve our community, but what really.

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Stands out is what you do to protect our safety, and I guess I'll, just I'll give a.

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Small example I'm preparing today for a suppression hearing tomorrow and an.

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Incident where officers were called to a scene of a suicidal member of the.

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Community and they had thought that the person was deceased. However, she wasn't.

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And it turned into a dangerous situations where they were faced with.

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Having to shoot an individual for their own personal safety, everyone, including.

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The the victim / defendant was thankful to the police for their response in.

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Front of way that they handled the situation and worked to de-escalate it.

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So that was a very difficult situation and people on our police force do these.

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Things every day, and sometimes it's in this newspaper and sometimes it's not so.

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I just want to say thank you for all of your service. Thank you for putting your.

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Lives and your family lives on the line every day for other people of this.

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Community. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember people's man, no report.

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Councilmember granger.

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This week was garlic, fest, fourth street art, affaire arts, fair and pride fest and.

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I just want to thank people who were able to make it out and support these.

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Groups and support our community and the arts in the community, and I'm just.

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Really kind of happy that that bloomington has these kinds of events to.

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Offer and that we all participate. Thank you.

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Thank you. Councilmember sandburg, do you have a report? Councilmembers turbot have.

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To do- and I think many of you know that there was a anti heat or a peace rally.

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On last week and many of us were present, some of us were able to speak there, but.

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That's really not what I'm really going to talk about after that. The rabbi at.

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The local synagogue was accosted by someone and I guess face to face.

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Verbally not physically, basically to tell this person that she was not in.

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Fact, jewish! I wish someone would explain to me you can be a rabbi of a synagogue.

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Without being of the jewish faith and two of my other colleagues on their way.

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To another meeting after that that we were all involved with, were as reported.

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To me called unspeakable names that I won't repeat here and basically accused.

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Of some other lewd acts again, you can just use your imagination. I don't think.

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I probably ought to get into that the whole point of this that it is behavior.

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Like that, an activity like that there's ever a need for us as a community to sit.

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Down and listen to each other and work some things out and try to get past this.

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Hate there's ill-will, then those are examples.

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That highlight the point I'm trying to make this evening so welcome everyone. Thank you.

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And just an observance of my late father, who would have been 90 tomorrow, I'm just.

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Thinking of him now, thank you. There are any reports from the mayor. Okay, seeing.

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None we will go to council committee reports, do we have a from the mayor and.

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City offices- okay, sorry move too quickly.

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Good evening, thank you councilmembers. My name is kelsey titania.

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I work for the utilities department on the ms 4 coordinator for the city, ms 4.

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Stands for municipal, separate storm sewer system and my job is to implement.

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The city's stormwater quality management plan through various pollution.

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Prevention strategies, among other things, I want to update you tonight on the.

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Status of our residential stormwater grants program, which we implemented for.

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The first time this year in 2019, so I want to say thank you for budgeting the.

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$35,000 that we were able to use in our community, so these funds are helping to.

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Pay for stormwater improvement projects on private property, which is not what.

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The city of bloomington utilities can typically do so. It allows us to reach a.

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Wider audience, so in march we held a public meeting at the utility service.

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Center and we had over 60 people in our boardroom and later that month, I ended.

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Up visiting 30 homeowners at their homes to talk about the grants program address.

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There and erosion and any drainage issues that they may have and talk about.

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Potential grant projects that we could implement. We ended up receiving 26.

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Applications they totaled over 167 thousand dollars and we have. We had.

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Representation from over 15 neighborhoods, we set up a five-member.

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Review committee we had a member of the utility service board, someone from.

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Utilities engineering department, someone from the environmental commission and.

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Then two members of the public, so they reviewed the projects and came up with a.

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Decision to fund 11 of the 26 projects, so we had 35,000 dollars to spend and we.

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Ended up funding for rain gardens for driveway culvert replacement projects to.

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Dry creek bed, drainage projects and then one ditch stabilization project. So the.

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Projects are currently being implemented. They have one full year from the date.

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When the grant agreements were signed, so most of them should be wrapping up by the next summer and I'm excited to share the progress with you and thank you.

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Again for these funds, so for next year we thank.

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You for continuing this program and we're gonna be focusing on some of our.

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More underserved neighborhoods to really reach out to the whole community.

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And because managing the stormwater as I've found out through my position, it's.

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Really a community effort, so thank you for making this program possible. If you.

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Have any questions please? Let me know thank you for their presentation. Other.

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Questions from council, okay, seeing none! Thank you for your report. I'd appreciate.

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It are there any other reports from marin.

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City offices, we will now go to council committee reports. I think we'll reserve.

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Our council committee reports for the first petition from the land use.

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Committee, so we will now go to the public if you would like to speak on.

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Items not under agenda this evening. Could I have a show of hands, so we have.

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An idea of how many might do four, okay, you have five minutes each and please.

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State, your name and, I believe, there's a sign-in sheet, and so that would assist.

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The clerk in preparing minutes, thank you.

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Good evening, council members, my name is paul post president of the fraternal.

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Order of police lodge 88 representing the members of the collective bargaining.

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Unit at the bloomington police department, I'm joined tonight by many of.

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Those members and their families, if you recall I spoke to you in may of this.

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Year after the city, bargaining team declared our contract negotiation at an.

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Impasse and we voted to we move to mediation. That process is now concluded.

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And it produced another written proposal from the city. Unfortunately, that.

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Proposal was not enough and it was voted down by the membership because it did.

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Not adequately meet the financial needs, nor was it designed to meet the.

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Recruiting and retention needs, so many of you have recently pointed out you.

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Asked chief dica for some specific facts about staffing levels and overtime costs.

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Going forward into the budget discussion, we plan to give you some of those.

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Answers tonight please keep asking those questions.

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We appreciated miss samberg's comments about officer wellness and how the extra.

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Work may be affecting the officers, and I can tell you it has. They are tired and.

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Fed up it is a weekly occurrence for supervisors to send out emails, asking.

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For volunteers, just to cover the minimum number of officers to staff a patrol.

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Shift one of the last emails was from a second shift sergeant, which said quote.

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Second shift will be in need of help almost every day in september, some days.

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We are in need of at least two officers, that's just to cover the basic patrol.

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Shift not extra special events from the beginning of this contract negotiation.

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Our fop team has told the city that the situation we find bpd n is largely.

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Caused by recruiting and retention failures, we continue to lose officers to.

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Agencies that pay market competitive wages chief d cough was correct in his.

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Statement to you recruiting and retaining officers is difficult in this.

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Current environment, it's even harder when you hamstring yourself through low.

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Wage offers all while demanding more from an already overworked personnel.

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That's why a simple thing like increasing the salary and benefits.

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Package can help, the pool of applicants has dwindled and those who are applying.

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To bpd now have more attractive options to look at current bpd officers. Do the.

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Same thing, they look at other agencies with appropriate staffing levels and.

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Competitive salaries and then they leave bloomington if you're gonna do a hard.

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Job, why not go where you can make a decent living at it, which brings us to.

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You everyone knows the money is there. Everyone recognizes the need to hire.

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More officers and to keep the officers we have, we need you to tell the mayor.

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And the city negotiating team to work with us on a market, competitive salary.

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And benefits package the time to fix the overtime and staffing shortage is now.

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I'll leave you with this thought before my colleagues speak on the recent.

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Holiday weekend celebrating workers in the american labor movement, your police.

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Officers had their time off canceled or had to work extended hours on their.

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Regular days off, not much of a celebration was had. Thank you for your.

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Good evening my name is trey luck. I'm the vpd day-shift representative, when we.

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Started this negotiation 18 months ago, we looked for ways to quantify what we.

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Recognized around the state, the bpd was no longer getting large groups of.

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Applicants and we were are rapidly losing tenured officers to other.

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Agencies we utilize a certified indiana public retirement system, salary list.

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Which is compiled each year and from which our officers, retirement salaries.

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Based it is a list of police and fire departments in indiana who pain in the.

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1977, police and fire pension fund bloomington is recognized as the seventh.

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Largest city by population indian in indiana, yet in 2018 bpd was 54th in pay.

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On this list, fifty fourth, we told the city negotiating team repeatedly that.

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Bloomington was going to have to make changes to become market competitive and.

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Sadly, the response have been status quo. We told them what would happen if we.

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Crossed into 2019 the other cities would continue their.

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Efforts to improve police, recruiting and retention through increasing salary and.

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Benefits and blooming to a default further behind in the hole which brings.

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Us 2019 on the city certified list, I'm sorry on the certified list this year.

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Bpd dropped to even further now 66 in the state. As you pointed out, we continue.

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To grow as the city adding population each year more important to patrol.

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Officers, though, is the daily population numbers. A census number is a great on.

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Paper but the reality is bloomington. Has thousands of people come to town each.

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And every day for work, school, sporting events etc. Those people still require.

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Police services, despite not being officially represented on the census, so.

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You're already understaffed police department has to work much more harder.

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I'm sorry and then is representative in those numbers. We also looked with hope.

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At the city and efforts to commissioning those salary studies, we.

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Exactly what they would show that bpd is underpaid compared to our peers, the mag.

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Study of union specific positions compared to bpd with 19 other agencies.

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Showed us in the bottom quarter of that group, hardly market competitive to.

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Compare lee-sia cities one would expect that the city would look at their own.

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Study and recognize they needed to make some financial changes in their salary.

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Offers to keep a few police officers, we do have in an attempt to gain new ones.

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In a shrinking market, unfortunately, that has not happened, and that is why.

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Officers rejected the last proposal, they know they are worth more and if they.

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Want they can go somewhere else? That will be more confidence that will.

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Compensate them fairly, the cycle of being short staff continues, leading to.

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Rising overtime and burnout cops an example. Let's look at this last few.

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Weekends in august department had to declare to the board of public safety.

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And the union that they did not have enough cops to cover the plan to secure.

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The farmers market issue and the numerous labor day weekend, festivities.

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So for three weekends time off was canceled officers worked on the regular.

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Days off and officers had been working extended shift hours. Thank you.

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Good evening, council members, my name is jeff rogers, I'm a 13 year veteran of.

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Bloomington police department tonight I'm going to provide you with some facts.

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And figures to support what these other officers have already told you that.

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Include problems with recruiting and retention ratio of officers to residents.

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Overtime, expenditures and the salary study comparisons. All council members.

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Will receive an email with these detailed facts after this meeting is.

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Complete the salary study that was commissioned in 2018 by the city.

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Specifically, for unions was the mag study. They compared 19 other indiana.

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Cities to bloomington, so the numbers and comparisons that I'm gonna give you.

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Tonight, it's based upon those other 19 cities that the salary study came up.

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With not our choosing when we talk about recruiting the best way to measure this.

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Is by how many people show up to a hiring process, not by how many people.

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Fill out an online application, but by how many people actually show up.

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Whenever we talk about 2019, hiring processes, bloomington pd had 35 people.

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Show up to their hiring process for other cities with lower and higher.

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Populations mooresville, they had 58 show up columbus.

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85 showed up jeffersonville 80 lawrence 143 greenwood 150 fisher's, 60, carmel 87.

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Evansville 109 we're not the smallest department on that list by any means.

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Everybody's numbers are down as far as recruiting, but they are worse in.

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Bloomington than they are anywhere else on this list regarding retention, I've.

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Got two different 4-year comparisons for you. If we look at january 1st 2012 to.

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December 31st 2015 during that four year period we had 22 officers leave for one.

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Reason or another, whether it be retirement, whether it be going to.

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Another department, another job completely january, 1st 2016.

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Until the present three years and eight months, we've had 44 off.

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Leave double the amount, we talked about officer ratio and they measure that by.

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One officer per thousand- I know there are several people up here that have.

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Spoken about it before, so you guys, I know you're, aware of it, of those 20.

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Cities provided by the mag study, including bloomington, the average, was.

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One point: six: nine officers per thousand bpd's average is one point, one nine. When.

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Were at full staffing of 103 and we haven't been at full staffing anytime.

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Recently, bpd would need 146 officers to be at the.

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One point: six: nine officers per thousand residents so anytime annexation is even.

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Mentioned we take it pretty serious and we get pretty nervous because we're.

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Already overworked over time expenditures, I know it was asked about.

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These numbers- I don't know if you've, been provided these numbers yet or not.

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So this may be information that you already have 20 17, 18 and 19. The.

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Overtime budgets for each year were three hundred and twenty seven thousand.

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Dollars roughly the 2018 actual numbers were six hundred and ninety five.

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Thousand dollars in overtime as of 2019, as of the last the end of the last pay.

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Period, we are now at five hundred and seventy one thousand dollars this year.

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At the same point, in 2018 we were four hundred and eighty one thousand dollars.

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We're already ninety thousand dollars over where we were last year, if it stays.

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Constant at this pace compared to last year, we'll be at over seven hundred and.

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Eighty-Five thousand dollars for the year and overtime. Thank you.

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Hello, my name is jacob woods. I'm the night shift representative for the.

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Bargaining unit with the bloomington police department, I'm going to pick up.

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Where jeff left off speaking about the salary comparisons, specifically with the.

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Mag study in that the mag study picked out those 19 cities, bloomington ranked.

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16Th out of that entire list locals I'm sorry.

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Bloomington was ranked 16th in that entire list, even though we're the.

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Seventh largest city in the state by population, the mag study stated that.

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Lafayette indiana was the closest in both population, demographics and the.

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Fact that they have a big ten university, however, lafayette has 10,000 a.

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Population of 10,000, smaller than bloomington by census and their officer.

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Ratio is two officers per 1000 residents. Also, their police department is paid on.

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Average $11,000 more on their base salary than the bloomington police.

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Department is columbus, police department was another city listed based on his.

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Close proximity to bloomington, however, their population is half the size of.

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Ours, currently their officer ratio is one point. Seven, seven officers per.

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Thousand residents, the columbus salary starts at three thousand dollars more.

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Than the bloomington police department, salary does and once you make it to the.

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Twenty year mark, which is kind of the benchmark for the certified perf.

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You're, making eight thousand dollars more than a comparable bloomington.

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Police officer would be making in 2019 the columbus police department issued a.

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13 percent raise to their entire police force, along with expanding their.

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Take-Home vehicle program to allow officers to live outside of the county.

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And also have a take-home vehicle which, in reference to in comparison to.

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Bloomington we do not have a take home program for standard patrol officers, however, sergeants lieutenants and administrative staff do have take home.

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Vehicles, however, they're not allowed to live outside of the county with those vehicles, bloomington is currently the only class to city in the state that.

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Does not have a take-home vehicle program, the only class one city, of course is indianapolis and they have take-home.

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Vehicles for their entire police department, in conclusion to all the.

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Other presentations, we just want to say that our officers are underpaid in.

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Compared to cities around the state that are larger and smaller than us, our.

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Officers, work harder and take on more responsibilities. We feel than other.

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Departments around the state as well, our recruiting and retention, has become more.

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Of an issue over the years- and at this point we see it as a crisis, it's not.

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Getting better in the short term, and we only see it getting worse in the long term, we've already lost 10 officers this year and that's our average over the.

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Last several years has been about 10. We lost our tenth officer in july of.

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This year and based on the way our contract negotiations have gone where.

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We're concerned we're going to be losing more before the end of the year to put.

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That into perspective, we only have a fully staffed, budgeted police department.

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Of 103 officers and losing 10 a year, it's a 10 percent turnover rate. Our.

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Officers are not something you can just hire somebody and plug and play get them.

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Right on the road they take if they have to go to the academy, that's a four month.

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Academy process and then also a three to four month, fto process when they get out.

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Reasonably a new, a new hire will take 8 8 to 10 months to be capable of taking.

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Calls on their own and provide our manpower. Currently we are aware of at.

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Least, 10 to 12 b pd officers that are in processes with other agencies currently.

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We don't have hard numbers on that because of the way you know, hiring works.

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You don't necessarily want to show your cards and let everyone know you're trying to leave and go somewhere else right now for an officer at my age, I've.

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Been on to the department for three years, there's not a lot of incentive for.

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Someone at my level to stay here, there's better salary, there's better.

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Equipment, there's better job satisfaction in other places. However, I chose to come here. I want to work in this city and I want to have a future.

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Here- and we also want to make sure everyone knows- this is not a negative reflection.

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On the chief or the administration, we know what they have, they have to work.

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Within the rules and boundaries they're given and the budget, the number of new.

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Hires, all of those things are the balance which excuse me in which they.

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Have to work currently the way those numbers look, we bloomington does not.

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Have a competitive salary, we don't have competitive benefits for.

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Officers where we're constantly asked to do more with less and we're getting to.

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The point where less is so little, we can't do anymore with it. If we continue.

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To not be competitive, the number of quality applicants is going to only drop.

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More and we'll be hiring less and less of the most qualified individuals. When.

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You're hiring eight spots and you have 35 applicants. Do you really think you're.

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Getting the cream of the crop of applicants when you have that many vacancies to fill and that few options to choose from, I know that there are.

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Members on this council who won't be in these positions next year, but you'll.

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Still be residents of bloomington, and this will still continue to affect you in the future. Thank you.

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At the point in an impasse- and we really appreciate you coming this evening and.

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Sharing your comments and we appreciate any data that you can share and so that.

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We might help at resolution, so we hope to be in contact with you in the near.

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Future and so that we can resolve and move forward. So thank you all for coming.

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This evening appreciate it: okay, we will now move to appointments. The boards.

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Commissions, do we have any appointments.

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Seeing no appointments, that's let's just wait a moment for the chambers of the.

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Clear and then all right go ahead: okay, we'll move now to ordinance 1912. We have.

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Legislation for second reading, we'll move on to that 12:00 be introduced and.

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Read by title and synopsis, only second, it's been moved and second and at.

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Ordinance 1912 be introduced and read by the clerk by title and synopsis. Only all.

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In favor, say: aye aye aye any opposed well. The clerk, please read its 1912 to.

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Amend the city of bloomington zoning maps by rezoning, 3.85 acres of property.

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From commercial material to planned unit development and to approve a district.

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Ordinance and preliminary plan regarding 1,800 north walnut street cdg.

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Acquisitions llc petitioner, the synopsis is as follows:.

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Ordinance 1912 would rezone 3.85 acres from commercial arterial to planned unit.

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Development and approved the associated district ordinance and preliminary plans.

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Who allow the construction of a mixed-use development, your land use.

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Committee recommendation from august 28th was to pass 0 1 3. Thank you.

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We adopt it. Second, thank you. Let's proceed in this manner, we'll have the.

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Petition introduced by staff by mr. orlok and then we will have a synopsis.

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Of the land use committee before we go to the petitioner- and I may refer to our.

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Counsel attorney at some point in terms of reference in terms of our timetable.

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And so forth for resolving this. So let's proceed first with mr. berlocq. Would you.

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Like to describe this for us, this is a request from cdg acquisitions to rezone.

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A 3.85 acre piece of property that is on the north side of town to a planned unit.

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Development, the property is currently zoned commercial arterial and has been.

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Developed with the motel building surrounding land uses include various.

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Commercial buildings to the north apartments to the north and the east and.

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South to the west, you've got miller showers park and then on the west side.

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Of walnut street, you have more high density family housing over on that side.

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So the site is currently developed with a motel 6 property. Various buildings for.

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The one-story motels, the petitioner, is requesting to rezone it to a planned.

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Unit development, in order to allow for the site to be to redeveloped they're.

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Also requesting a waiver from the required 5 acre minimum for a planned.

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Unit development, the petitioner is requesting a planned unit, development.

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Because the petitioners proposal does not work within any of the existing.

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Zoning districts that we have within our zoning code, so that is, that is one of.

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The main reasons for a pud is that what is being proposed cannot be accomplished.

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Within a current zoning district, so they are requesting to rezone the property to.

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A pud to allow for it to be redeveloped with the five to six storey multifamily.

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Project there would be a mixed-use space along the front. This would be utilized.

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For a mostly student oriented housing, as I mentioned, this is a pud, so the.

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Standards that are being proposed tonight are unique to the site.

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Have based the proposed standards on a mix of zoning districts, architectural.

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Standards have been based on the commercial downtown, the setback.

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Standards are being proposed based on the current zoning, as well as some of.

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The future guidance that we are looking to move forward for the student housing.

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District, so the standards that they are requesting are kind of a mix of.

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Different standards they're unique to this property and therefore should.

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Should be looked at as unique to the site and not necessarily a comparison to.

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Other districts, but does this fit in with this site, so one of the things that.

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Staff and the planning commission looked at with this proposal is not necessarily.

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Density, but how does the massing and the size and the scale the scope of this.

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Building fit on the site, so that we feel like is, is one of the more key.

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Characteristics to evaluating a project and architecture is not how many people.

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Are in the building, but what is the shape of the building? How does it fit in.

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With the surroundings, is it appropriate for this area so with that I'll just.

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Kind of talk about the surrounding area for a little bit, so the area that we're.

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Looking at here is outlined in red, it's kind of on the north side of the screen.

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Here so you can see by the aerial. There are a substantial amount of high density.

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Multifamily projects that are to the north, east and south of this to the.

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South of this, a little bit further to the south of nineteen three you've got a.

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Mix of one and two-story homes to the southeast of this over in the corner of.

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Done in 17th, you have the recently approved and constructed evolve project.

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So while this aryl is on the screen, I just want to take a moment to point out.

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The unique characteristic of this particular area, so what the what I'm.

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Looking at and what I'm referring to is the area of the city that is bounded by.

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The bypass to the north 17th street, to the south dunn street, to the east and.

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Walnut street to the west, as you can see by this aerial, there is a high amount.

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Pretty much a majority of this area has been developed with high-density.

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Student-Oriented housing. This is also the prospective area that we have.

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Highlighted. As a possible ideal location for more student oriented.

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Housing simply because it is adjacent to goods and services, it's on a bus route.

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It's immediately adjacent to the campus stadium, where the iu buses pick up and.

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Drop off so this is an ideal location that is not embedded in a single-family.

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Neighborhood, it is not constrained with environmental features. There's there are a lot of benefits to this particular area that.

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Are unique to this area that you that we've struggled to find in other.

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Portions of the city adjacent to campus that are appropriate for student.

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Oriented housing, so the petitioners coming forward with a proposal that.

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Works toward accomplishing one of the main goals, not main goals, but one of the.

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Goals that certainly came out of the comprehensive plan, which was to find.

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Locations for student, orion and housing that is not in the downtown, so as I.

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Mentioned this, this location, this area is an ideal location for that. So overall.

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This petition would remove all of the buildings on the site and construct two.

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New buildings, the buildings would range in height from five to six stories, as I.

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Mentioned there would be a space along the front that would be commercial space.

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As well as amenity space, the petitioners are proposing a mix of units within the.

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Building a mix of micro units, one-bedroom, two-bedroom and four-bedroom.

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Units they are proposing a maximum density for this project. So, although.

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They have proposed a possible bedroom count now, overall, the development on the.

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Site will be capped by a maximum density. They have incorporated the the dwelling.

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Unit equivalencies that are in the zoning code now that deal with how.

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Density is calculated based on the number of bedrooms within a unit, so that.

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Is being proposed with this, there would be a parking garage central to the main.

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Building that would provide parking for the site as a whole. The petitioners are.

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Proposing a parking ratio with a minimum of 0.5 spaces per bedroom and a maximum.

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Of 0.75 they've previously indicated that they believe that their parking is.

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Probably going to be much closer to the 0.5 than the 0.75, and given this.

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Location, the bus transit, that's immediately adjacent to here at location.

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To everything else, we certainly feel comfortable with it parking spaces that are being proposed, so real, quick, I'll, just kind of walks.

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Through the site plan walnut street is on the left side of the screen here.

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There is a slight or not a sleeper, there is a cut through through miller showers.

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Park that allows traffic to move from college to walnut. There is currently a.

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Misalignment between that drive and the existing drive from motel 6, so is that.

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So, with this project, that drive would be relocated to being a direct alignment, so.

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That would fix an existing problem that is on the site. There would be one main.

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Access point: this also serves the properties to the south of this. So the.

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Access drive has been designed to allow for access to the property to the south.

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As well as for this property as well, there is a drive that is shown around.

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The two buildings that is to provide fire department access only there is a.

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Parking garage that is located on the south side of the main building, but the.

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Rest of the drive is simply there for emergency access purposes only so, as I.

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Mentioned there are two buildings: there is one main building on the west side of the site, another building on the east side of the site, both of the buildings.

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Have little courtyard areas that have been designed within them to provide.

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Some green space, the building, has undergone a couple of changes during the.

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Course of the hearings, both from the planning commission and the land use.

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Committee, the building has been moved forward towards walnut street as much as.

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Possible there's a water line and easement that runs along there. That.

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Presents some difficulties with moving the building much closer to the street.

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So they've moved that the commercial space is still along the northwest.

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Corner of the building- and there are several plaza areas that have been shown.

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Adjacent to there to help promote pedestrian accessibility and interaction.

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Between the street and the building, several large plaza areas and sidewalk.

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Connections that will also be heavily landscaped as well. So one of the one of.

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The issues or items for discussion that has been revolving around this project.

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Our sidewalk connections, both within this project, as well as off-site.

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Connections there is to the east of this is the varsity avila's comp.

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The petitioners are still in various negotiations and conversations with.

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Varsity aviles to provide pedestrian access through their site. They have.

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Shown a pedestrian connection stub to the east that could potentially extend.

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Through the varsity aviles site, if they're able to successfully complete.

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Those negotiations, they would be installing a sidewalk along the front of.

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This property to help complete that system, as well as there are some missing.

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Sidewalks further south of this site that they would be completing and that.

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Would also extend along 19th street as well, so this would help complete the.

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Sidewalk system on walnut street, as well as extended further onto 19th street 919,.

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Threatt has a mix of sidewalk systems along that corridor. There are still a.

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Few more properties to the east of this that would be lacking sidewalks, but.

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There would be a sidewalk component along a majority of 19th street, so, as I.

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Mentioned there have been a lot of changes to this petition during the course of the hearings, the petitioner has moved the building further to the.

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West they've eliminated a drive, aisle and parking spaces that were previously.

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Shown they have increased the building setback to the south and all I have a.

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Slide in a few seconds that all a step through that'll kind of show those.

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Setbacks, the modulation and the architecture has been increased along.

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The front of the building- and I believe the petitioners will speak about that. A.

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Little bit as well since the last land use committee meeting the petitioners.

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Have removed an entire floor off of the eastern building to help bring the.

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Height down that also has reduced their density and bedroom count a little bit.

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They've also agreed to add solar panels and green roof to the building as well.

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To help add on some environmental sustainability to the project, so real.

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Quickly I mentioned that I would talk about the setbacks, so I'm going to talk.

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About the two buildings kind of individually, the western building has a.

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Mix of setback setbacks along the three sides to the north. It has a 29 foot.

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Setback to the north property line to the east, it has a 35 foot setback into.

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The south it has a 35 foot setback as well, so it is set back pretty.

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Substantially from both three of those properties.

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The building to the east, there is a public water line that runs through the.

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North side of that site again that that presents difficulty with achieving a.

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Greater setback to the south, however, they have incorporated as much setbacks.

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As they can, they are proposing a 25-foot setback from the north property line and.

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Then the east property line varies from a 20 to 11 foot setback and then along.

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The south property line again they've accomplished a setback. The kind of.

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Varies from 15 feet on the east side to about 13 feet in the middle to an 8 foot.

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Setback for a portion of the building on the west side of the site, so I just kind.

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Of go through a couple of renderings that help tell a lot of the story. The.

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Architecture for the building is a mix of brick and cement lluis panels they've.

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Incorporated a lot of brick and columns that are on the center of the building.

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As well as along the corners and along the ground front at the ground front,.

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Areas, you can see the plaza area with the umbrellas that is along the front.

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There are several little step downs that help facilitate pedestrian access from.

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The building to the street- this is a view looking northeast, so walnut street.

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Is on the left side of your screen, this would be the main entrance into the site.

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And as I mentioned, this does provide access to the property to the south, so.

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It's circling around there in order to accomplish that. This is another view.

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From the south looking north, it's important to notice that the cars and.

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Surface parking lots that you see here on the right side of the screen are.

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Actually, on the adjacent property that is not part of this petition site, but.

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You can see the front amenity space, the commercial space on the back, a lot of.

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The modulation has been increased throughout the various hearings to help.

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Introduce a lot of architectural modulation from the building for the.

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Street this is another rendering just kind of looking at the street. Again you.

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Can see the plaza area in the front the commercial amenity space wraps around.

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The site, you can see some of the adjacent buildings that are the white.

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Boxes that are on the adjacent properties, this gives you a.

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Good view of kind of the diversity of height and modulation that is shown.

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Throughout the building, as well as I mentioned, it's a five to six story.

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Building this particular rendering shows the building in the back still at the.

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Previous height, but as I mentioned, a floor has been removed from that.

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Building so it is a story shorter, so this is a rendering showing existing.

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Conditions and the proposed building that is kind of in the background, so.

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This is looking south on college. The hampton inn is on the left side of the.

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Screen, that's a four-story building, just in the.

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Foreground in front of this building is a great wall. Restaurant. That's a.

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One-Story building that's currently vacant, so this is a view looking north.

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So walnut street is along the left side of your screen. The lost sherita.

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Restaurant is on the foreground here with the blue roof, so you can see in the.

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Background how this building would look in relation to existing conditions and.

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Then this is another rendering showing a lot more of the surrounding context of.

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Existing buildings on the right side of the screen, you can see the park view.

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Apartments, these are three-story buildings just to.

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The left of that you've got the hamptons townhomes. Those are two story: buildings.

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With pitched roofs and then on the background I mentioned the hampton inn that you see that's four storeys and then you know running along the front, is.

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The the millers showers park.

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So the pitcher has submitted some exterior elevations, showing the mix of.

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Building materials throughout the building, as I mentioned, brick and cement.

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Wrist panel provide most of the finishing material and I believe the.

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Petitioner must speak a little bit about those materials, so I won't. I won't dwell on that. So real, quick, I'm going to go through a massing model showing this.

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Building, please ignore the parking spaces that are shown along the front of.

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The building, as I mentioned, those who are removed with some previous.

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Modifications and then the building in the back they just recently this week.

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Knocked a floor off of that, so while the massing of this is pretty accurate,.

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There's still a floor missing from the back, so with this petition they proposed.

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The petitioners are proposing a maximum height for the building of 86 feet that.

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86 feet is strictly for an amenity space. That's in the center of the building, the.

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Majority of the building, as you can see here by these building heights, fall.

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Within the 60 to 70 foot range, so it is a five to six story. Building with the.

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Majority of the building not being taller than 70 feet, so that's important.

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To kind of keep in mind as I'm going to go through a little bit here at the end.

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Of the screen or in the presentation, some of the standards that we're looking.

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At for possible development standards for the student housing district, so with.

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This petition, the petitioner, is also required to contract with the.

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Bloomington transit service to provide a shuttle service, bloomington transit, has.

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Been overrun with all of the private shuttles for all of these student.

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Developments all over bloomington and it is starting to crowd their bus, stops and.

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Has become a major frustration point, so the petitioner is working with.

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Bloomington transit to provide a unique route that would serve this facility and.

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Possibly others, so that is something that the petitioners would be contracting with them separately out of their own expense.

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This is not a anything that the bloomington transit is funding. This is.

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Strictly on their petitioners, and so the petitioners have worked with come with a.

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Route that would serve campus and as well as serve this petition site.

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So, as I mentioned, I wanted to just briefly talk about some of the standards.

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That we're looking at for the new student housing district and how this project falls in line with that. So this is a slide from the standards that are.

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Being proposed, we are proposing or looking at a building setback, a 15 feet.

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Along all four sides, this is regardless of height, so, as you recall from the.

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Slide that I discussed the building setbacks along the main building.

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They had a setback of 30 feet or greater along that, so they were vastly exceeding.

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That 15 feet the building in the back, they had a setback of almost 25 feet.

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From the north property line, and it's only along a portion of the east and the.

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South property lines where they were getting closer than this 15 feet and.

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They were, you know, very close to meeting that they were certainly infringed upon.

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By the water line that runs along the north side of the site, so they've worked.

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To balance things as much as possible, we're looking at an impervious surface.

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Coverage of 70% the petitioners proposal is below that they're in the mid-60s.

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We're looking at a possible structure height of six storeys not to exceed 75.

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Feet this project meets that, with the exception of that portion of the amenity.

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Center that's 83 feet, as I mentioned, the building height for the majority's.

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Building is at 70 or below, so this project is in line with what we are.

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Looking to try to accomplish with the new zoning code, this is something that.

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The comprehensive plan encouraged- and this is something that our consultant.

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Has certainly encouraged as well that incorporates best management practices.

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For housing and in making the best use of land, you know, as I mentioned this.

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Particular site does not have any environmental constraints. There are no.

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Sinkholes no steep slopes no trees to save so this is this is an ideal.

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Location, especially adjacent to goods and services along the bus route.

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Adjacent to the iu campus to provide student oriented housing, as I mentioned.

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At the beginning of the presentation, the comprehensive plan comments on many.

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Aspects of this petition, one of the main ones being.

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Cade student housing outside the downtown, so this this directly.

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Accomplishes that mission, so in conclusion this this plan, this petition.

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The petitioners coming forward with was designed around a lot of the goals that.

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The city has within our comprehensive plan, as well as a lot of the goals that.

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We're moving towards they've include incorporated several modifications, both.

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Through the planning commission process and through the city council process to.

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Try to address concerns that have been raised regarding pedestrian accessibility, the look and feel of the building along the street green building.

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Incentives, sustainable building practices. The petitioners are.

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Voluntarily, providing a contribution to the city's affordable housing fund that.

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Will be used to provide housing monies all throughout the city, so that is that.

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Is certainly a very great benefit, as well they've incorporated a high amount.

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Of architectural design for the project, something that the comprehensive plan.

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Encouraged for this urban gateway and they're working with bloomington transit.

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To facilitate a bus route that would serve this property as well as others.

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Around here, so that is, that is certainly a bonus as well plan commission at their.

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June hearing voted unanimously to forward this to you with a positive.

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Recommendation with five conditions- and that concludes my presentation, but I.

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Believe mr. crowley has a few words that he would like to add as well from staffs.

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Perspective now and then we will move on once the staff reports done.

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Thank you for spending the time to review this tonight and thank you for.

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Giving me an opportunity to say a few words about why we support this project.

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First, I I know that we all understand that there's an affordable housing.

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Shortage in bloomington and hopefully that's not a question in anybody's mind.

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The shortage is due in part to two different but related issues. First,.

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There's a basic supply and demand issue. Our supply of housing has not kept pace.

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With our population growth and as basic economics tell us, the result is.

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Increased housing costs. This development brings a lot of much needed unit volume.

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To the city, second, our community has a challenge attracting and stimulating non.

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Market rate developments absent and intervening force developers in our.

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Market will naturally gravitate to the most lucrative use of land, which is.

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Student housing: this means that for bloomington to increase its supply of.

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Workforce housing or low-income housing we need to incent incentivize it that.

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Requires that we have funding to do that, this project is contributing private.

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Sector dollars to help us incentivize, much-needed workforce and low-income.

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Housing throughout the city, as you know, we've used the housing development fund.

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To stimulate a number of affordable housing units over the past, several.

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Years importantly, we support this project because its proposed location.

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Aligns with the comprehend comprehensive plans, vision for where student housing.

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Which this is should be placed. This development also creates density of.

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Housing in an area that is currently under utilized and, of course it will.

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Generate the corresponding incremental tax revenues that help us maintain.

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Bloomington's quality of life we're also pleased that developers are actively.

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Engaged with bloomington transit to facilitate a public transit route from.

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From the site to campus, finally, we support this because the developers have.

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Adjusted the original design, specifically as a result of negotiations.

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With planning staff through the plan commission process, which, as eric noted.

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Voted unanimously unanimously to recommend the proud.

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And through the land use committee process, they've been responsive to our.

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Community's requirements and have a project which, while not perfect,.

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Accomplishes many of the goals we have for this kind of development, so we just.

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Want you to understand why we support this, how many improvements have been made throughout the negotiations on this.

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Project and what the benefits are that it accrues to the community. Thank you.

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Thank you, mr. crowley. Does that conclude staff report? Yes, all right! Mr. shermin.

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Before we move on to the land use committee, could you talk a little bit.

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About scheduling process of this petition, we have no amendments or.

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Reasonable conditions this evening correct that submitted. Yes, so I think.

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What I should start with is the consequence of your vote. If you take one.

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Tonight, and by the way, if you want to have a an impact on this pud, you will.

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Need to act before monday september 16th, that is the expiration of the 90 days.

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You have to act after the certification to the city clerk. So ordinarily, if you.

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Don't have a majority and a vote of the council, it's considered defeated. That is.

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Not true, in this case, under statute, you have to have a majority for it.

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Or you have to have a majority against it. Anything different from that is a no.

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Action so be aware that when you're making your votes or approaching votes.

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What it could mean is that if you have a vote and it's a no action, maybe you.

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Don't want to just click. You don't want to close out your discussion tonight. You.

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Want to maybe postpone it for another week, whatever I'm just letting you know.

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That don't think you're done if you've come to a point where you have you don't.

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Have a majority either way on this, so I think that's key I'll leave the rest up.

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To you, thank you for that reminder. We will now go to the land use committee.

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Report and mr. rowland do you was marveling, do you have the synopsis.

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Of that, at the end of the second meeting, the committee passed on to the council a.

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Neutral recommendation: a vote of zero one: three one, no three passes at the.

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Second hearing the petitioner made significant changes to the proposal.

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Based on the discussion in the first meeting, the most important being the.

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Bringing forward of the front building to embrace walnut street mr. gorilla can.

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You go back to that slide that showed those parking spaces still in there.

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So that people can see what had to change from so the most important being.

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The bringing forward to the front building west to embrace walnut street, eliminating those eight parking spaces that were originally proposed and the.

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Drive lane for the original design and moving the commercial area to the.

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Southwest corner roughly of the of the building, they also increased setbacks of.

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The rear building from surrounding buildings and properties between the.

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First meeting in the second significant topics of q&a among members of the.

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Committee included the use of the two point: four six million dollar payment in.

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Lieu of affordable housing on-site, the use of different kinds of facade.

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Materials particularly semaan tisha's panels, the rent and the number of.

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Bedrooms per unit, the student-centered nature of the project and the proposed.

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New transit line outstanding committee member concerns included the lack of.

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Green features such as solar panels, a green roof or composting, the use of.

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Cement isha's panels on the exterior as an insufficiently long-lived solution.

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The lack of specificity regarding final, the front and final parking ratio or the.

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Commitment to an amount of the permanent annual budget for a proposed new bus.

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Line and the actual linear footage of off-site sidewalk to be built or.

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Repaired the the committee felt that it was.

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Despite the the the feedback and the back-and-forth that it was something.

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That they could not vote on positively or negatively either way. So that's why.

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It's a neutral recommendation: it's up to the full council to clarify mr.

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Sherman's remarks effectively for those who would like to see the project not go.

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Ahead, it would require five no votes tonight, otherwise it will be approved or at the final vote. Otherwise it will be approved.

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As the plan commission approved it, the the changes that have been made by the.

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Petitioner have all been without need for reasonable that they not the such as.

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Reasonable conditions, they simply change the proposal, and so I think it's safe to.

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Assume that the proposal has changed would be what would be approved, but we.

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May need to to have one reasonable condition that simply embraces all the.

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Changes that they've made so far. Finally, as mr. sherman said this last day to for.

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The council to take any action on this beauty is the 16th, which means that.

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There's a possibility of one more meeting on september 11th under normal.

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Procedure and we thought that we would wait for the full council to determine.

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Whether any reasonable conditions should be made or not so we do have that option.

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And I think it really depends on the conversation tonight to see where the.

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Council will go I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you before we go to.

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Questions are there any other remarks from land use committee members, council.

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Member simms.

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Pardon are you and we're going to remarks from the land use committee.

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Members, so I'm sorry if I confused you so well, we'll wait on council comments.

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So if there are no other remarks from the land use committee, then we will go.

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To the petitioner, petitioner would like to make comments or a presentation.

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Please step up and state your name good evening.

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Brandt stiles cdg acquisitions, 7711, bonham avenue, st. louis missouri council.

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Members, thank you very much for the time tonight, eric planning commission been very enjoyable to to work with over the past.

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Six months we we developed student housing across the country, so we're.

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Putting situations similar to the situations that were in today, where.

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We're trying to communicate a vision and try to meet some standards and.

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Understand different needs and once and I hope that eric you've seen that we.

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Take this very seriously, we keep our ears open and we are very responsive.

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There's been a significant amount of modifications that have been made to.

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This plan, at the end of the day, I'll be honest, the the back and forth makes the.

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Projects better and it's it's our job, to to listen and be responsive and to.

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Deliver something that's a very high quality and it leaves a lasting legacy.

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For the community and it's something that were we're very proud of how we do.

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It and why we do it and eric thank you for helping guide us along the way we.

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Are based out of st. louis, I want to say: bloomington is in our.

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Backyard a little bit it's one of the closest big universities to us. So it's.

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It's a very fairly quick, quick drive. We've been spending a long time trying.

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To identify the right opportunity and we feel like we have listened to the.

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Community as we're to where they want student housing.

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To date, we've developed just developed or developing just shy of 9,000 beds.

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Across the country coast-to-coast, we really just pride ourselves in being.

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Good community stewards and focus on quality and experience and to date we've.

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Been extremely successful, a lot of it has to do with luck, but we want to bring.

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Some of that luck and success to bloomington a couple of things just a.

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Note on you know, all of our projects are very high quality, highly amenitized. The.

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Amenities have changed over the years. It's not it's social as important as a.

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College experience, but it's college and the students of today are much more.

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Focused on on academics, and we need to make sure that we provide them the tools.

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To be successful, so a lot of our amenities have shifted away from the.

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Party amenities to you know individual study rooms and pho in individual study.

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Rooms group study rooms, we have a social clubhouse, outdoor indoor pool and lounge.

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Provide retail there's a convenience to our to our tenants and to the community.

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At large safety is is something that we're very proud of, and we take very.

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Very seriously, all of our projects have controlled access. Key cards from the.

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Exterior doors all the way into your bedroom on scient, that is, someone is.

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On-Site 24 hours a day, interior garage parking and.

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High-Definition on-site surveillance allows us to really keep a good eye and.

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Understand if there's issues occurring when we are sometimes not, you can't be.

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As I said earlier, we've spent really the last four years trying to identify the.

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Right site in bloomington, ideally you know we develop urban pedestrian.

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Mixed-Use projects that are in college towns, and what we found out here is.

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That's not what the overall community wants, ideally we'd, be adjacent to the.

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University and to the downtown core, and it's it's: if we did that we'd, be you.

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Know, trying to you know, move a boulder up of a really steep hill here. So what.

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We've tried to do is we've tried to listen and try to identify the right.

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Locations and as part of the 2018 comprehensive plan, just a couple notes.

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Which, I think, really helped identify the site as a phenomenal location for.

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Purpose-Built student, housing and and there's a lot of markets where we.

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Student housing is not a good term. I'm not trying to disguise this as anything.

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But this is purpose-built student housing and we feel like it's in the.

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Right area in the comprehensive plan it speaks to identify in areas that are.

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Adjacent to campus and underdeveloped commercial corridors outside of the.

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Downtown and then it already another won't comment, was an area that.

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Already contains a relatively high percentage of student oriented housing.

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And if you look at the area that we're in it's it's it's fairly, dense as.

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Relates to student housing, it's on a very active commercial corridor that.

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From our perspective is at least our site is very underutilized, dilapidated.

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And we look forward to putting something- that's very exciting in that place.

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During the land use committee, there were some comments that that we took took.

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Away and spent the last couple weeks trying to trying to figure out how to.

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Best incorporate and respond to those comments.

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You know retail visibility in parking, as you saw, we pulled our our parking.

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Away off the front and pulled our building towards towards walnut the.

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Building setback so are some concerns, as it relates to our setbacks along the.

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South that we did our best to try to appease we've made some pretty.

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Significant movement as it relates to sustainability. We have some feedback as.

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It relates to the building materials that we have. We've come to an agreement.

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With transit and then, as was discussed with eric, we, we did take an entire floor.

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Off of our building the to the building to the what is it to the east, it reduced.

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Our density, it was a significant hit to our financial pro-forma.

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But it was something that was expressed as a concern, and it was something that.

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We were open to do to make the project, maybe a little more contextual to the.

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Area I'm going to bring in our wonderful architect from dwell design, studio and.

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Ron to talk about the next two items, what we did with this plaza and how we.

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Dealt with setbacks and let me comment on it: real, quick and he can go through.

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The details we never thought about pulling this building up, because we.

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Wanted to you know, provide some parking up in the front, but the suggestions that.

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Were made in the result of those suggestions, we couldn't be more excited.

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About we've were creating a public amenity that I think it's going to be.

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Extremely well utilized for the community, with this plaza and we've got.

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Phenomenal architects and landscape designers that are going to really do.

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Just a phenomenal job in the design just to help you know make this plaza a.

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Really great experience for our tenants and for the community so good evening.

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Council members, sam rohnke fight with dwell design studio, appreciate you all.

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Inviting us back to discuss this project as it's been covered previously.

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And as branches mentioned, we have been making significant changes around the.

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Site design the site plan for this project, this area between the building.

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Along the west, facing walnut is really one of, I think, the most exciting things.

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To kind of come out of the the recent dialogue regarding this project, I think.

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There's a little bit of inconvenience, quite frankly for retail users, but that.

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Comes to the benefit of maybe the community at large, because what we've.

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Been able to do- and this can probably be communicated a little bit better in the.

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Next slide, but what we've been able to do is develop this face. This is a.

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Close-In floor plan with the building shaded in blue and.

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Green to the right-hand side, the blue denoting retail spaces green, denoting.

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Leasing and amenity spaces then walnut immediately to the west, but the kind of.

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Space that yields we think functions really well, both in proportion and and.

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Location as a as a pedestrian node, we have some slides that we'll show you.

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Later in the presentation, we don't need to go to them right now, but for the time being, I think what we're what we're thinking is that this is a very visible pedestrian, plaza and, and hopefully it can serve as a meeting point and a.

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Gathering space for folks all along the the walnut college area near our site,.

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This plaza is very close to the park immediately adjacent to the west, and we.

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Think it'll see a great bit of usage, but I think the idea of using this as.

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Context for our building, you know we have retail and leasing and amenity.

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Spaces that occur along walnut, but to have this as a buffer between the.

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Building in the street, we think actually creates a great visual amenity as well.

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As a functional amenity for this neighborhood, this is the overall site.

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Plan, I think, for this, for this evening's presentation. We worked with our.

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Landscape architect, to develop a colored plan to probably better communicate the.

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Extent of open space that we're creating around the site. What I'd like to draw.

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Your attention to, in addition to the the plaza that we've just been describing, is.

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Also, some of the setbacks that were covered earlier, but in more specifically.

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What's happening on the eastern half of our site continuously along the southern property line previously before the.

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Recent changes, I think we had shown our building approximately 10 feet, separated.

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From the property line, we have worked pretty hard to kind of.

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Move some things around and we've been able to increase that, and it varies from.

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About 13 feet to 14 about 14 and a half feet, and then we were asked to provide.

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15 feet, but we have landed at a place where we feel very comfortable that we.

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Can accommodate any sorts of finishes? You know that the elevations communicate.

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And accommodate a landscape buffer as well, that probably will consist of trees.

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And shrubs both for visual screening and then also just for some separation. As.

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Well, some sustainable design features that will address. Thank you. Brain styles,.

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Cdg acquisitions, one of the one of the major concerns or comments that came out.

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Of the last meeting was our efforts towards sustainability and we we really.

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Dug in on this one and and tried to come back with something that was very.

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Meaningful, at least in our perspective- and we hope you feel the same way, this.

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Will be the first project we've entertained, solar we've we've played.

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Games with solar but yeah and we've never made a commitment to be honest,.

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We're really excited to make this commitment, because I think this will be.

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One of the first projects that we that we, this will be the first project we do.

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Solar on and we're looking at, incorporating solar, as is a component of.

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All of our projects moving forward, the our commitment to this project is have.

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An array on the roof of 50 solar panels, which will produce approximately 20.

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Kilowatts of power, and that will help our our parking.

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Garage and all of our common areas and then another commitment that we are.

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Making on this is providing a portion of our roof as a green roof. Approximately.

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2,000 square feet will provide additional stormwater buffer, reduce the.

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Heat island effect, reduce energy demand and reduce the carbon monoxide impact on.

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Our of our property, so in in the approval packet- and I can go to the next.

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Packet, so these are some of the additional sustainability items we.

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Wanted to call out in the packet- and there is a list of about four pages of.

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Additional sustainability components that we will be incorporating into our.

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Project these are additional items that we've identified over the last over the.

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Last week that we wanted to call out low-flow plumbing fixtures, electric car.

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Charging station national, ventilated parking structure, you know fully.

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Furnished units we've never really looked at that is a sustainable.

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Component, but I think everybody knows you know every students move out of.

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Traditional apartments, and what do you see getting thrown out in the dumpsters.

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You see, couches furniture, just a ton of stuff, that's going to landfills and the.

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Furniture that we bring in that we procure is all commercial grade.

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Furniture that has an extended lifespan compared to the the low-cost furniture.

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That that you would typically buy as a student, so there some a couple of the.

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Comments came up, last was, you know the use of building materials and I think.

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There was a an example of a poorly I mean I do. I guess I'm pointing out.

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Another project that was done fairly poorly as it relates to quality with the.

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Use of fiber cement panels and one of the questions came up is what's the life.

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Expectancy of fiber cement panels and, as you can see, if you look at these, are two.

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Very reputable sources and can't even read them as I age. I can't.

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See anything anymore, but the national association of homebuilders and another other reputable source equates fiber cement panel and brick to.

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Be 100 plus year building material at the end of the day. It's it's all about.

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The application- and it's all about how is installed- and we have very high.

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Standards for our subcontractors and our contractors, I will say that we've made a.

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Contractor rip off an entire facade of a building because it was installed poorly.

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It made them redo it. You know we will maintain those high standards here as.

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Well, transit: this is, we will be, we've been working with bloomington transit.

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And we are green to fund a public shuttle route. This will be a show route.

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That we have designed and in public transit has approved, but it's not just a.

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Transit line for our tenants, our tenants will be using it, but this is open to the.

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Public and we are paying for a hundred percent of it, it will run monday to.

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Friday during the fall in the winter semesters- and this is just a comparison.

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As it relates to the use to the density conversation that we had, and it shows.

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The unit mix from our previous version to our current version and as you can.

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See we previously had about two hundred and sixty three units and eight hundred.

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And twenty two bedrooms by shaving off a floor of the eastern building, we are.

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Down to a two hundred and forty one units and seven hundred and fifty.

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Bedrooms- and we are currently right at about sixty percent of our bedrooms- have.

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A parking spot- this is just to show an updated elevation of the south facade.

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Showing the left eastern section of the building.

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I know eric showed one previously, which was just a massing, or maybe it was this.

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That had the six storeys and now this is the five storey version and you can see.

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It's just it's just more contextual and it's it's something. We were definitely.

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Open to, as is a concession same thing, and then these are elevations. I know.

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Some of the these are renderings. Sometimes it's it's difficult, even for.

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Me to look at elevations and truly understand. You know what the things.

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Gonna look like and how it's going to feel so what we've done is we've got a.

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Twelve studio, that was a phenomenal rendering group and they they put these.

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Renderings, together to show you know the use of materials, the modulations, the ins.

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And the outs- and you know really how this you know this property will feel.

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With a landscape and hard scape- and you know how active that that plaza can can.

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Really be so it's that plaza is something that I think we're all really.

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Excited about this is a another view. Looking south.

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That's our retail that entrance right. There is all its fire lane and the main.

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Entrance is further south, and this is coming south on college and the next one.

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Is going to be north on walnuts? This is the same one that and that's that's all.

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I have for you tonight if there is any additional time, I would.

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Like to reserve a little bit of time for us, if there's anybody, that's speaking.

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Against the project for us to have a couple minutes to comment after.

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Certainly, I'm that will be provided. Definitely, we were just given a from.

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Smith, berry haben associates the g bloomington revisions, but we.

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Already only received one page, I believe there might be a second page is that.

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Correct it would it ends mid-sentence, and so just just to make certain that.

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We've we're receiving all the information steve bourie hub smith,.

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Freehub and associates: that's actually the summary of changes we made for the.

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Last meeting, okay, the question is: is there more than just this one page.

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Because it ends mid-sentence at the very bottom of the last bullet point through.

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A copier just so we have all the information at our disposal this evening.

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All right, thank you for your presentation. I.

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Believe now we'll go to questions from council who would like to begin council.

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Member piedmont smith, so I appreciate seeing some of these changes. I have a.

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Question two questions related to the recent changes since last week, so we.

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Were at density of 77 units, an acre with one floor less on the east building? What.

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Is the density per acre now.

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7070, correct, okay and then impervious surface was seventy percent and with the.

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Green roof is it a little bit less than that now or really the green technically.

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The green roof. We do not calculate that as taking away from impervious surface.

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You know it can be used to offset that, but we still counted as permeable. It is.

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Not excluded from impervious surface calculations, so I thought the percentage.

R

Was seventy percent? I think they had that listed as a maximum, but in reality.

L

Their site plan is less than that. Does the developer want to add something.

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About is it less than 70 percent? I mean the pd ordinance, we're approving just.

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Has the maximum right maximum of 70 percent that was prior to looking at any.

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Type of amenity area in the courtyards as currently drawn and measured the.

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Impervious surface coverage was about 67 percent, so it was beneath the maximum 70.

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Percent listed, and please remember, to state your name for the record mr. bre.

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huh We know who you are, but not everybody.

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Does did he okay, my bad? That was it for now. Further questions from council.

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Councilmembers turboman yeah, the last.

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Item on this report was that additional brick was added throughout the project.

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Including courtyards and the southern facade was that reflected in the.

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Visuals, it is reflected in the elevations in the visuals. It is as well.

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But it in these elevations it does, it is reflected in here we didn't in the.

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Renderings that really aren't renderings of the the eastern building or inside.

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The courtyard so, but we can, if you want to flick to the cliff, do the renderings.

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I can show you.

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There's about you know, so you can see him around. Do you want to speak to? I.

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Know we we added a significant amount of brick throughout because initially brick.

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Was only present on the walnut facade and we made a very conscious effort to.

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Wrap brick, you know around all the facades in certain and specific.

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Locations and imran can speak to specific locations.

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Imran with dwell design show you again yeah the walnut. That's not already had.

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What we considered that the right proportion of brick we and we didn't.

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Really want to, you know, ruin the balance. I think that we've created in this.

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Composition, but if we can go to the elevations, the revised elevations, I can.

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Walk you through where the additional brick was added. If we could go to the.

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Sheets that have the head-on elevations. Thank you, okay! So this this is a great.

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Sheet to start with, thank you, so the top elevation shows the south facade and.

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What we've done is the material that's shown shaded in gray continuously, along.

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The ground floor, that is brick now it's it's bumped up slightly, but I can just.

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Walking around the four elevations, I can show you where, where it was increased, so.

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A long walnut on the on the western portion of the site, we really just kind.

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Of cleaned up the amount of brick and and made sure that was being used a bit.

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More consistently around the the base working our way to building 2,000 on the.

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Right-Hand side, this is still that the top facade the top elevation we again.

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Have brick, obviously the building has stepped up, but we have brick running.

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Along the base of the building about halfway through now, you can see in the.

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Key plan shown on the sort of on the bottom right hand corner of the sheet.

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That there's a lot of movement in the facade in and out. Thank you so so a lot.

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Of this brick is wrapping three dimensionally inside the courtyards as well, but the portion I say the the quarter of the building elevation that.

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We can see along the south facade the brick does step up to the second floor.

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And by the time it wraps around the southeast corner of the site, the entire.

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Tower element is burak. I think we felt like that could be a pretty good architectural punctuation mark. If you would just in terms of.

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Composition, the the walnut facade really was not changed. We did revisit some.

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Brick along the storefront areas and along the the retail areas. But as I.

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Mentioned before the overall sort of use of brick, we were quite satisfied with.

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Previously, so we didn't really want to mess with that too much if we could go.

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To the next sheet, I can show you the continuation. Thank you. It may be best to.

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Look at the lower elevation, the the east facing facade, that's where we pick up.

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The tower that's full five storeys of brick and and that it pretty much.

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Terminates, I think, the use of brick along that corner the north facade the elevation to the north to the top of the page. Sorry, on.

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The right-hand side shows the facade and fairly heavy use of brick along walnut.

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And again, as we work our way back towards the site, we're trying to use it.

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Consistently along the base of the building in some areas where the brick.

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Seems to be shaded out or seems to be a little bit more pale. It's only because it's an inset courtyard and so we're just to try to keep the elevations clean.

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We're just showing it a little bit more ghosted out, but the idea still is that.

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The ground floor, the the project is, is wrapped in brick and as the building steps up at building 2,000 we're maintaining that the use of that brick.

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On the on the ground floor as well, thank you. Thank you.

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Council member chopra, yes to the first, has to do with the reduction and height.

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At what point was that floor eliminated in the process last this week last week.

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In between the last meeting and yeah, okay,.

C

I guess I want to know why, because I don't recall that that was an issue in.

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Fact I was a fan of the density, it was a concern that was addressed and you know.

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To be honest, we're trying to be as responsive as we can to concerns that we.

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Hear- and it was something that we were decided internally- that we were willing.

O

To to give end on, hmm I don't I don't recall that concern, but that doesn't.

C

Mean it wasn't voiced. My second question has to do with your decision to use.

C

Solar panels, that was my suggestion last week and how you arrived, the amount of.

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Kilowatt power you'd be able to produce or place. You know how was that decision.

C

Made I think it was twofold: it was trying to understand structural loads on.

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Top of the roof and what we could handle and then to is trying to understand our.

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Public or are all of our units are independently metered. So we we don't the.

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Tenants pay for their own electric. What we can control are the lights in our.

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Garage and the lights in our common areas and the lights in our of our.

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Corridors so in talking with our engineers trying to understand sort of.

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What those those loads are and comparing that with those structural loads that.

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Would actually be put on the structure, it was a we felt like. It was a number of.

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Kilowatts that would really be meaningful to the project. Okay, so am I.

C

Correct in saying that those solar panels will be used to power.

C

Common areas, common combination of common areas and parking garage lighting.

O

Okay and and you can actually like wire it that way, all of our common area and.

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Common area, corridors and parking garage are all metered individually. Okay, thank.

C

You comes from evergreen, jim.

D

Thank you with the reduction in units. Can you tell me what the prices will be.

D

Again, I think what we communicated last time, which hasn't changed our four.

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Bedrooms are ranging and right around the $800 range and when I say $800, I.

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Just want to make sure everybody knows what that means. That's a fully furnished.

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Unit you need per bed per bedroom yeah. So it's it's a fully furnished unit.

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Cable and internet is included, water sewer trash is included, access to all.

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The amenities access to the public transportation, that is all included.

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Within that rent, so what we try to do is we try to bundle it as much as we can to.

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Make it simple so the $800 might seem like a lot, but if you actually break it.

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Out and quantify the additional costs that they would have to incur if it was.

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Not included it's extremely competitive and you're what one bedroom is, or I.

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Think, where one bedrooms are right around $1,000, thank you. Welcome to.

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Follow up on councilmember granger's question: what is since you removed the.

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Floor, what is the total occupancy of the of the project? 750 750.

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7:51: okay, they're about 750, okay,.

A

I have a question for mr. berlocq, so this project is placed within the.

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Gateway north areas, plan of the of the comprehensive plan and say correct: yes,.

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And in the beginning you reference that, and it says in the in the description of.

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Gateway north, due to its close proximity to indiana university, the character of.

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This focus area can support the diversification of housing types.

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Including, but not limited to multi-family residential commercial uses.

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Such as student, housing and service facilities, however, it does go on to say.

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While being sensitive to the diversity and mix of housing in this corridor,.

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Incentives can be used to steer the development toward underutilized markets.

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And high-quality design. So it seems to me that we're lacking, in fact in within.

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This description of gateway north it describes that the gateways into.

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Downtown have much to improve on, and I would agree is this an example of high.

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Quality design or it doesn't address underutilized markets well so the under.

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Utilization, I would certainly point to the current use of the property with one.

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Story, buildings for motels, you know so certainly there's a higher better use.

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For this piece of property at this location, that is better served in a.

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One-Story hotel in terms of unique architecture, I think yes and the.

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Planning commission thought yes as well. Certainly the changes that they've made.

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Through the council have increased that as well, so I mean certainly that's also.

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Up to the council, if they feel like this is a significant architectural product.

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That this location, but playing commissioned, said yes, I see, must be the.

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Eye of the beholder it also goes on to say it should establish a sense of.

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Arrival into the dent it's an as an important gateway function.

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Does this serve as a a sense of arrival sort of a welcoming to the city to.

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Encounter high-density student development across from a very notable.

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Very expensive in terms of community investment park, miller showers, so.

L

Certainly, I think you know it's important to look at this entire corridor as a whole and how each project accomplishes that so each project coming.

L

Forward you know the comprehensive plan encourages that to have a high.

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Architectural context, so this is something that has a great street view.

L

When you're driving into the city, what do you see? What are you first.

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Encountering, and so I think, the street presence to this building certainly has.

L

A lot of modulation, a lot of different materials- it's got a great plaza along.

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The front, I think this does have a good, significant view coming into the city.

L

And hopefully, other projects that come forward well help promote that as well.

L

Okay, thank you for that. Other questions from council.

A

Councilman roland's last week, since I was here before and I at the acid I want.

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To say how impressed I am with the responsiveness of the petitioner, this is.

F

Significant or responsive then evolved, so I want to compliment you on that.

F

Solar panels, so why? Why are you surprised that or why you guys concerned.

F

That there might be structural problems with solar panels from my calculation.

F

Your panels would deliver, maybe 500 watts, apiece. I've got 300 watt panels in.

F

My house, 18 of them I generate 5.4 kilowatts through them, you're only.

F

Proposing about four times as much as that on a building this large, how could.

F

They really be something you would be concerned about, having trouble holding.

F

At your roof, having trouble holding them up, all of our buildings are designed.

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Very specifically to the certain loads that they can, that they're designed for.

O

So it's for us to make sure that we engage our.

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Structural engineers and have the conversation about hey, we're going to put an additional x amount of pounds per square foot on the roof. What is our.

O

There going to be material modifications to the to the trusses or to our.

O

Structural to the structural form of the building to support that weight. Sure I.

F

Just mean the parking garage alone ought to be able to support the additional.

F

Weight of solar panels there anyway, I'm sure that's a small thing. I also wanted.

F

To know more about how much parking is there now how many spaces the spaces.

F

Haven't changed, that's the number of units have. Is that correct the parking.

O

Has not changed only the unit's, so how many spaces are there? You have to see.

F

Approximately 0.6, but I do I want to make sure I give you yeah sure that.

F

Would translate to 450? I don't remember how many spaces there were 457 spaces.

O

Okay, did you consider at all? Is there parking.

F

In both buildings, no just in the parking structure, but did you consider removing.

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A layer of parking to put more units there so that you wouldn't have to get.

F

Rid of so many units- in other words, it's my opinion- that a living unit is a.

F

Better use of this square footage than a parking space did you consider getting.

F

Rid of a few spaces in order to put back some of the units that you took out of.

F

The second building we did not, we are we're a proponent for smart, smart growth.

O

And in the right environments and the right markets, I don't want to discount.

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Anything that's going on here. We have to make sure that our project is marketable.

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And marketable today, with you know, hopes for the future.

O

And in this market, with the regional transportation, its proximity to other.

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You know larger communities and being in the midwest, we feel for marketable.

O

Project you know the sixty percent is, is right in that sweet spot, where we can.

O

Charge if we, if we parked a hundred percent, guess what would happen. Everyone.

O

Would bring a car if we park ten percent we're gonna, have issues with parking.

O

That sixty percent parking ratio allows us to not enable our tenants to bring.

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Their cars we charge a premium for it, so the people that want to have their car.

O

They make that sacrifice and they pay for it and the people that don't really.

O

Need a car they take a second guess. They can take a second thought about hey. Do I.

O

Really need to bring a car, can I use alternative modes of transportation or.

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Does my roommate have a car and can I use his so if we brought 8090 percent.

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I'm sure we'd fill it up, it wouldn't happen. We wouldn't be able to charge what we charge, but we like to provide alternative modes of transportation bike.

O

Share car share uber and left location pickups within our program within.

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Designed within their so that that, from our perspective, is a market issue and.

O

Sometimes it's out of my control because our investors, they they have.

O

Expectations as well sure, but I mean in landy's committee, you all talked about.

F

How you were looking at a range of between 0.5 and at the as low as 0.5.

F

Spaces per bedroom, if you were it simply to reduce the amount of parking by the.

F

Same amount that you reduced the amount of units of bedrooms there are, I mean to.

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Get down to the ratio you had when it was a 22, you had a ratio, 55 point six.

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Percent or 0.5 five six to get down to that, you could get rid of forty four.

F

Spaces and make more units out of them. It seems like that's within your rate,.

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The range you were talking about making more units out of.

O

Is is a challenge of course I mean, I know it's not trivial, but the parking.

O

Dimensions that we have in our garage, you know your your your 124 by 180 and.

O

To get more spaces, you go, you expand that 180, the the configuration on of our.

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Site, if we can, if we shrink that 180, which I think is about 240 or so it's.

O

Not enough to add more units, so what would that would result in was taking a.

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Level or a half a level off of the parking garage which wouldn't allow us.

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To add any more units, so I get where you're going and it just it would just.

O

Result in us taking parking away that was already there and I really like to.

F

Keep it I had appreciated, know that it might require a major redesign to do it.

F

I just wanted to point out the idea that, in a project like this I'll take what.

F

Councilmember chopra said I'll: take bedrooms over parking spaces any day.

F

That's not my question for sure. Thank you. I understand.

T

Box was there an additional commitment or consideration made by petitioner or.

T

Short of that by city departments that might take us some of the.

T

Responsibilities of making these connections happen, so that's a two-part.

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Two person question: well, I can, I can speak, I guess for literally someone.

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Speak for the city aspect. You know. Most of the council has sidewalk funds that.

L

Are available to them every year, so you know. Certainly that's something that we could look at is completing a sidewalk project along here once the petitioner.

L

Fills in some of the corner here you know there are a few other properties.

L

Along 19th street there is adequate right away to get sidewalks in there. So.

L

It may not be difficult, but you know we, we, the planning department, don't really.

L

Have a budget for that, or maybe my director could speak to that as well, but.

L

We don't really have a budget for those kinds of projects. You know everything.

L

Kind of comes through council, so it would be up to you guys to apportion money. For that. I was just going to say. We both know the limitations of the.

T

Council sidewalk committee and we got a 2% increase in that which buys a couple.

T

More curbs, but it doesn't complete this back to the petitioner on the sidewalk.

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Question councilmember seems rhetorical, wasn't completely answered. I was.

O

Thinking out of that, one currently we're providing almost two hundred feet of.

O

Linear sidewalk is part of the plan and.

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If it gets, the project approved I'll, complete the whole sidewalk, if it means.

O

Getting the project proved or not, I think I'd be open to and everybody.

O

Behind me is probably saying can't afford it, but we'd be happy to we just.

O

Don't know how much it, how much, how much linear feet it is. We understand the importance of it and I think it's something that we can definitely commit.

O

Ourselves to I would, I would be careful just looking at the aerial. There are.

L

Some segments that can be easily filled in there are some that putting in a.

L

Sidewalk would substantially alter the properties that are there and parking.

L

Areas so I would be very cautious about committing or holding so something that.

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Hasn't been designed or really evaluated, very few guys would be open to us.

O

Working directly with city staff to find the appropriate locations to add.

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Sidewalks, where it was viable we'd be open to do that. Thank you.

A

Thank you. There were some discussions earlier about negotiating with some.

E

Property owners, I guess- or owners between the project and the iu bust son.

E

Done correct so where are we there and and if any of you all are willing excuse.

E

Me, if you all, are willing to do the sidewalks who you negotiating with just.

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Do it it wasn't this, it wasn't the property owners regarding.

O

The sidewalk it was the property owners to the east of us and at planning.

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Commission there was a desire for us to create a pedestrian connection between.

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Our property and the properties to the east we've reached out to the owners.

O

They've had some historical, you know security and you know: what's there right.

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Now, wouldn't surprise me that they've haven't.

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The most pleasant experience it's a motel 6 and, to be honest, it's a lot of.

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Long-Term, you know long-term tenants that are staying there, so I think there.

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Was some concerns as it relates to safety and the experience that they've had in the past? To date, we haven't been able to come to an agreement to get.

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Access, we will continue what we've agreed to is. It is to stub that out so.

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In the future, if we are ever able to come to an agreement, we've proposed a.

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Gated controlled access fence and steps to alleviate any security concerns to.

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Have it lit to have a you know, security cameras.

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It's be honest: there's there they own student housing. I can see where their.

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Perspective is I don't want to it's helping a comprar competitor, I'm gonna.

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Be a good neighbor, and if, in the future we can come to an agreement, we'd be.

O

Happy to do that, but I feel like sending all of our tenants to the south as well.

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As a green to sending it all our chances on the south to 19th and then agreeing.

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To fund a hundred percent of the new bus line, the public bus line, I feel like it.

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Allows all of our tenants to get where they need to go. Okay, and that sounds.

E

Good, but we both know that they'll take the direct path right now right now they.

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But I don't want to say they can't, because everyone always sort of finds a.

O

Way to do it, but it's fenced right now and it's about a 1510. It's a pretty.

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Significant great change- that's that's overgrown and it'd really be pretty. It's.

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Fenced and it probably a real challenge to get through there and it will be.

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Fenced by us as well he's gone, one comment and there was something about.

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The council sidewalk committee- and we do know, as chris says or councilmember.

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Starbomb says the limitations and I'm not so sure that I would approve that. We.

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Would ever include that discussion and part of a project? Are our council.

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Sidewalk budget, because that would mean we'd have to change priorities which.

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Have already been set for some time and trust me, I'm.

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On his committee, and that will not replace the priorities that we've.

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Already said, that's just a comment. I wanna throw out there now the little.

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Pass through the crosswalk between walnut and I'm sorry, college and walnut.

E

That will now lead directly to the project where it used to be offset. Will.

E

There be a needle lights or pedestrian or any. What would we do there to have a.

E

Smooth flow across there because there will be a little bit, so we have not you.

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Know they have not designed a complete site plan at this structure so that.

L

Those kind of level of details we would deal with when it comes to the planning.

L

Commission for a site plan approval, okay lighting and pedestrian crossings.

L

You know those my new should we would resolve at that point: okay, which are a.

E

Part of some of the things that the council sidewalk committee does as well.

E

So, okay last question: how did we come up with the almost agreement for.

E

Operational costs for the transit for a three-year period, I mean: how did we get.

O

So how do we come up to that with that? How did we come up with it or how are we.

E

Only term three years, so the the term is a three year term that will be renewed.

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On an annual basis- and it all it does, is if, at the end of.

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Every term at the end of the three year term, it allows us if there's been any.

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Material modifications, whether it's that we come back to the table and we have a.

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Discussion, so if, if there's additional transit lines that are going to our.

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Property because the transit lines have changed and we don't like we're paying.

O

For a public bus and if there's another public bus, that's doing the same trans.

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Same line as us, we just in its serving other communities. We just wouldn't feel.

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That's fair, so we just want to make sure that there's something there that keeps.

O

It an even playing field. Okay, so there is a minimum of a three-year commitment.

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Your commitment may be one and, if there's been any changes reasonable.

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Modifications to they would act the project if nothing changes, we're.

O

We're here for good okay, thank you. Further questions.

A

Councilman rowland asked about. I need some clarity on the question of.

F

Sidewalks, so I understand that you had pledged to create some sidewalks.

F

Off-Site to connect some, but I'm not really clear on exactly where 19th.

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Street is that correct, correct? How about are there any sidewalks on.

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Walnut that you're also yes they're going to connect, can someone yep so the.

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The black box that is drawn on this aerial shows where those sidewalk.

L

Connections would be complete, so that would encompass the property to the.

L

South in front of the park view apartments and then wrap around 19th.

L

Street to the east, so it would complete sidewalks along walnut along this.

L

Property, as well as you know, would connective stuff to the south and then.

L

Complete it wrapping around 19th along 19th. You've got a good amount of.

L

Properties that have them there are a few gaps along 19th street.

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But this wraps around the corner and then helps complete some of those gaps.

L

Of a thing existing right away, okay and then the I want to go back to the.

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Mister bring out that you had something to say about that or just provide.

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Clarification if you had a question well I mean we heard public comment last week.

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About how there really is little useable, sidewalk on 19th street, and I need to go.

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Down to google street view and look and see, but I just wanted to clarify what.

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You were committing to yes and again, as eric had pointed out, we're committing to.

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The area highlighted in the black square, basically at the intersection of 19th. If.

F

It's fine, but it is, as you'd mentioned. Sidewalk along the remainder of 19th is.

Q

Piecemeal in nature, okay, thank you. The other question I wanted to follow up.

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On the bus question so.

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Are you committing to a certain way without committing to a dollar amount.

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Are you committing to a certain amount of mileage as a delta at the length of a.

F

Circuit is that what you're committing to mr. may, can you maybe help clarify.

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This, in other words, I'm reluctant, I'm, I think, I'm as reluctant as you are to.

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Commit to a dollar amount because dollars change, but the practical effect.

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Of the route could we have the map that would show the route.

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Somewhere well, he'll find it mr. may, if you can comment on this, like what.

F

Exactly is the the committing content of the agreement that you've worked out so.

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With respect looma, a general manager, bloomington public transportation,.

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Corporation with respect to the route itself, this is just one concept that.

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We've discussed with the development team we've kicked around several.

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Different ideas, one of the factors that affects the routing we're trying to.

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Maintain a frequency of 30 minutes with the single bus out there. So probably the.

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Roundtrip on the route needs to be about 5 miles approximately in order to.

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Maintain that 30 minute frequency there we haven't concluded a final route.

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Alignment there, but I think that's something that we can easily reach.

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Agreement on how does this current suggestion of a route affect your.

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Thinking about the route optimisation study that you've just completed.

F

Yeah we've looked at the consultants recommendations from the route.

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Optimization study and there isn't a route that provides a good connection.

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From this area to campus directly, there are some indirect linkages there. We have.

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A 60-minute frequency route that runs up and down north walnut street into the.

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Downtown transit center and before you get to the downtown transit center, you.

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Could connect to an east-west route, but again it runs at a 60 minute frequency.

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As recommended in the study and that's probably not conducive to carrying the.

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Loads that you would need to carry two more questions related to this one is.

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Why does the concept route go up indiana when it could go up walnut yeah? We we've.

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Talked about different concepts, I think this is actually the development teams.

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Concept, we've proposed a different route there again the key factor.

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Is keeping the mileage to a certain distance in order to maintain at the 30.

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Minute frequency there's any number of different route options that potentially.

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Could be implemented so but you're talking about 30 minute frequency for a.

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Five mile route and that's those are the criteria that meet at two that's sort of.

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The parameter that we're using to come up with the route and the distance of.

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The route the mileage of the route- okay, the other question- was so I've lost it.

F

I'll, remember it all I'll, ask it again. Well, thank you. I have another question.

F

About this, but I'll remember in a minute other questions I didn't understand it.

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Sounds like it can be modified in three years, but not terminated. It can't be.

O

Modified unless there's material model, material changes to to a situation and.

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Where that's for the lawyers, it's an ongoing commitment, that's what I thought.

A

Council, member piedmont, smith, yeah. I think this is probably a question for.

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Staff, I'm wondering if any consideration was given to the fact that the motel 6.

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Is frequently used by members of our homeless community as short-term lodging.

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For them and that this development would take away that option, can I comment on.

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I hope this is a good response. No iii mean I don't you know we deal with this.

L

Often times when there's redevelopment of a property- and you know there is an.

L

Existing use there that it's just being relocated, I mean we have not sought out.

L

You know, I don't know if housing and neighborhood development has any.

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Mechanism for finding homes or shelter for this type of problem, but you know.

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There's you know this was not discussed previously. What the petitioner like to.

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Add anything- or we are don't take this the wrong way. We are making a very.

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Meaningful contribution to the affordable housing- and I know that's not.

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Going to impact those individuals specifically, but hopefully in the future,.

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We'll people create opportunities for instances like this for their for a.

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Place for them to go, and you know we we buy properties all over the place. That.

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Have occupants we're very mindful, as it relates to the relocation and we're not.

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Going to we have our, we have hearts, so we will work with people that need help.

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And make sure that they're taken care of.

R

Thank you for that. Just before I had a question before I forget this is for dan.

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Sherman mr. sherman we've received this list of revisions.

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Some of which I think, we've just been told about this evening,.

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For instance, green roof and solar panels and so forth, would it require former.

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Formal action by counsel, in order to ensure that it is committed to, in other.

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Words as conditions of approval, we treat reasonable conditions like an amendment.

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Our code calls for amendments to be in writing. So yes, okay, so all right, so we.

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Should consider taking formal action if we want this to be insured counselor.

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Voland would it be possible to bring all these revisions as a single, reasonable.

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Condition, or do we have to make each of them separately a reasonable condition? I.

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Mean, but it's already basically packaged if we wanted to accept all these changes.

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We couldn't do it, it was just one condition.

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Sure, I'm just for the sake of bureaucracy, yeah.

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Accurate reflects what we want right, sure, okay, okay and we can get to that. I.

F

Remember my other transit question so at the land use committee I asked about the.

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Population, the expected population of the property in this summer and you all.

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Estimated at 50% occupancy, which seems fairly substantial and assuming that.

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They the goal is to house students they're likely here to take classes.

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They'll need the same route. Could you not commit to a once an hour route.

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During the summer, instead of twice an hour because they had the same need, I.

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Think we'd like to take that on an as-needed basis, we're going to provide.

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Our tenants with services that they need be honest are my preference would be not.

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To overcommit from a financial perspective, I'm a don't.

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Blame you I just now. This is the opportunity we have to to to make sure.

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That that kind of service is provided. That's why I asked sure I don't blame.

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You for not wanting to come in, I asked and answered. I appreciate your answer.

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That's how it I have for now. Okay for other questions from council, mr. orlok, I.

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Had a question about just the relative size of this petition, this seems to be.

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Probably the largest, if or one of the largest that we have, we would approve if.

A

We were to approve it, it's no longer the largest, it's certainly within the top.

A

Three yep, I mean, I guess it comes on. You know what.

S

What you're, using as your comparison, if you're talking about the.

L

Number of bedrooms on one piece of property: yes, yes, this, this walk, even the.

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Largest number of bedrooms on a single piece of property, you know certainly.

L

There are, there are lots of apartment complexes that have you know high number.

L

Units in them couple hundred, but in terms of size of property and number.

L

Units, yes, and so we we do not have a definitive idea of occupancy. Do we in.

A

These developments well so so there is a density limitation. You know that governs.

L

Everything so as I've you know mentioned at the beginning, they are proposing a.

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Possible bedroom count. You know they can change that as long as it doesn't go.

L

Over the density, I guess what I'm referring to is, I think, a number of the.

A

Units- this is just anecdotal, but my experience is then these large student.

A

Housing complexes, oftentimes, it seems to me, are not totally occupied and I wonder.

A

About the veracity of that, perhaps a petitioner could speak to it. You've.

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You've done models of course, you're in competition with other large student.

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Developments and so you've got something new students like something new, so you.

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May want to attract them from other developments, but do you've run models.

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Apparently, I know that you could. I understand that a sizable tax write-off.

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Exists if one doesn't have full occupancy, I'm just wondering about need.

A

I mean sure yeah. Could you it's understanding the markets.

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Understanding the supply and the demand and any you know, deficiencies within.

O

Those as is, is or is extremely important. So I'm glad you asked the question we.

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Really pride ourselves in making sure that we understand how the other.

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Properties are operating, what their occupancies are, what their lease rates.

O

Are any concessions that they're giving the trajectory of in the absorption of.

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Their pre leasing and how early their pre leasing and it really helps us.

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Understand the health of the market and.

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Be honest: this is one of the healthiest markets in the country and you know we.

O

Look at evolve is an example. That's the first project in this in this area of.

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Defined defined in the comprehensive plan, they are right about a hundred.

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Percent freely, with a hundred percent pre-leased, where the harrison least now.

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And they had a significant amount of rent growth and when you have rent.

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Growth in in high occupancy, it really helps define the depth of the market.

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That there is, you, know, more demand than there is supply, and then you just look.

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At the overall market occupancy and it's right around 96 percent and I'll just be.

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Honest there's some markets around the country that you know hover around the.

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92 93 94 and that's it's a good occupancy, but 96 97 %. It gets us.

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Comfortable, we underwrite our deals at a lower occupancy than that, but you know.

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We expect to be on a percent. Thank you. Other questions. Okay,.

A

Seeing no other questions we'll go to the public public comments, so please.

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Step up state, your name, please sign in to you- would.

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And you have five minutes: hi, I'm greg alexander! I'm gonna beat this horse till.

V

It dies. I'm sorry, as has been discussed tonight, there's some significant.

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Sidewalk gaps that so far have not been addressed in the plan. It's really.

V

Awesome, the petitioner has an interest in filling some of those in because the.

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Current you know this is currently developed. Multifamily all around there.

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And those people walk in the streets, I know because I walk in those streets and.

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I see them while I'm doing it and a little bit of history evolved a dunhill.

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When that was approved- and I think it was 2016.

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It had the council asked staff: why should this project be approved and the.

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Answer from staff was because of our outstanding said well, canet work in that.

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Area and that's such an extraordinary misrepresentation, there are no sidewalks.

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Between 13th and 17th street on either side of done or indiana, there are still.

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Sidewalk apps on north walnut 19th street itself is almost entirely gap.

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It's it's a very bad pedestrian situation. The staff has consistently.

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Represented as an amenity for pedestrians- and I bring this up because.

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This matters to me, you can't, you can't add you guys need to add thirty million.

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Dollars to the sidewalk budget, the sidewalk committee budget next year, you.

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Guys have to do that. That's the bare minimum to even begin to address the.

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Sidewalk gaps we have in the city and you guys aren't going to come to that.

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Conclusion just because I came here and told you you have to come to that.

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Conclusion by staff telling you each time a project is brought before you.

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This would be a great project, except for all the sidewalk gaps. If you hear that.

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Again and again and again, you'll start to realize how significantly our entire.

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Transportation network is handicapped by this lack of sidewalks. This process is.

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Going a lot differently this time than evolved and.

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I don't want to give myself too much credit, but it's it's largely because.

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I've come here. This is the third meeting. I've come and said this exact same thing about the sidewalk gap. Here I didn't do that for evolved, because I had a little.

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Kid you know now he's five I can come out for the evening and that's really.

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Frustrating for me, because we have, we have a whole planning department. We have.

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Staff who are supposed to be able to do a sidewalk audit who should be you know.

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They wouldn't have recommend this project to you if it was missing the street. If the street was only gaps in segments and I'm gonna make a very.

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Specific accusation here I think this is pay to play. I think the staff was told.

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To sell you this project, I think staff, I don't know I'd love to be a fly on the.

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Wall but I suspect the mayor directly told planning staff to make this project.

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Look good and they said: what's a lie we can get away with sidewalks. We can say.

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There's sidewalks there's no sidewalks. Thank you. That's you. Thank you. Further.

A

Comment, my name is lance fur and I'm with the university properties, and we.

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Have like 492 units 1,150 beds, spread out over about 30, approximately 38 acres.

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Whereas this project is like two point, five, eight two point: 85 acres and.

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They're, like they hang foreign no 750 beds. Now I can't remember the units, but.

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Anyway, it's a it's a four hundred and twenty five percent variance over the.

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The 15 unit that I understand the 15 unit thing is home.

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I believe we believe that that that's too high compared to what the rules have.

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Always been, and we feel like that, the donation to the low-income housing fund.

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Of two point: four: six million is one of the reasons why they're able to get this.

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Variance, I'm not saying it's unethical or anything. I think it's a very good cause, I'm just saying that it's an unfair.

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Advantage to the two to the local developers and property owners that are.

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Out of town, you know, a large company out of town developer can come in and put.

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That kind of money down this is local people. Don't can't afford that, and so it.

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Creates an unfair advantage, unlevel playing field whatever you want to call.

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It anti competition, I mean, there's it's it's impossible and it's impossible for.

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Most most difficult people to do that, and so that's why we believe that the.

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You know that the whole tie in between the 2.46 and the density is an issue for.

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Us we think it's like, I said everything. It's unfair.

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We also think that the parking is a problem. I know a lot of you guys, don't.

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Think it is, but we we have a point: nine two parking ratio in our 1,150 units and.

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All of our spaces during the week, all of our spaces are full and they're actually.

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Parking on the streets, and so we feel like that, there's gonna be more cars.

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There's gonna be more more than with center of 50 tenants and 410 spaces. We.

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Feel like it's, I think it's point. Five, six whatever, but they're gonna have.

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Guests: okay, people are gonna visit them, they're gonna drive their car. There.

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To visit them, so we feel, like you're gonna, have a heck of a traffic problem.

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They're gonna park their cars along 19th and 20th street, which we owned houses.

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That you know that we rent along those streets, and so it's gonna, have it's.

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Going to be a problem anyway, how that's all head! Thank you very much.

A

Thank you for your comment, my name's gary founds. I represent two of the.

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Contiguous neighbors there with me the hamptons and varsity villas homeowners.

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Association, I wanna make it clear, I'm not speaking against the development, but.

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Frankly, I'm speaking in favor of reason, you know I have heard a couple of people.

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Say that petitioner is in negotiations for a pedestrian path through varsity.

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And that's odd, frankly, during our last call, we asked cdg to tell us why we.

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Should allow 820 students to walk across our private property twice per day, they.

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Have offered nothing in return, they have not come back with any reason why we.

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Should do this, I mean it consider this it's it's like asking you to allow 820.

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Of your student neighbors to walk across your yard twice a day and offer you.

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Nothing for that. It's an odd request. Nice neighbors.

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Perhaps, but give us a reason, planning keeps talking about a you. Do there's not.

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Been adopted, that's also rather curious, but I'll skip past that one in the.

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Interest interest of time, I would also reiterate that there is not a need for.

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These units, I'm at nationally college enrollment, has been declining for eight.

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Consecutive years last year, 1.7 percent similar percentages prior year's indiana.

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Statewide down three percent last year, nearly as much prior years, I use.

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Statewide has declined since 2011 bloomington has been declining since.

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2016, just a few of the publication's last year and this year to address the.

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Point atlantic vht insider higher education, national student, clearinghouse.

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Research center, the most recent from the ht. This is the very first paragraph.

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Indiana university is staring at an enrollment cliff, and this drop in.

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Students will have a big impact on. I use bottom line, and this was from an.

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Interview with robert kraft, chuck butcher, his name, sorry robert. I also.

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Heard a petitioner say that we can't do more on setbacks, because.

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Of the building size that just seems odd, apparently, the building footprint can't.

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Be altered just moved on a horizontal plane, that's strange, and you know there.

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Are still extreme variances being requested in relation to what otherwise.

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Would apply any buffer, yet any buffer yard trees zero. There should be 35.

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Deciduous and 70 evergreen trees and the areas where it meets rh is owned.

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Property there are still 467 increase in density, 500 to 467 still a 72% increase.

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In height, bear with me.

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Technology and I'll leave you with one last thought you know doing the math.

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They're requesting 750 one beds on 3.85 acres. I want to ask this question for a.

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Very important legal reason: I have a client with 38 acres in a much better.

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Location, this land is actually contiguous with campus if they came to.

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You in the interest of equal application of the law, you can protection under the.

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Law, if they came to you with a request to build 7400 beds on that property.

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Would you approve that? Would you approve that application because that's the same.

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I'll leave you with that thought. Thank you. Thank you for your comment.

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Further public comment.

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Okay, seeing none we're back to council for final comments, any amendments or.

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Recommendations, it comes from over voland frame discussion here I passed at.

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Committee and I have to admit a great deal of ambivalence even now. I know that.

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There are some strongly held opinions among my colleagues here, but I can't.

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Tell right now where this is going: if there are five no votes, then it's not.

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Much point in amending: if there are not five solid, no votes, then it's a matter.

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Of what changes we're going to need to roll in to one or two, or perhaps several.

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Reasonable conditions, which it would be reasonable to take one more week to do.

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There are a lot of I mean you know, I it's hard it's hard for me to say that.

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I'm bivolo about this because I absolutely opposed evolve and I wanted.

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To see it not built, and it has set the standard for future requests like this.

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Of the petitioners clearly have said that they modeled their proposal on.

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Evolve, it's not unreasonable for them to have done so.

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They saw what was done in exception to our rules and they proposed it. It's a.

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Much better project than involved- I am you know, for a project like it, for I.

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Mean that's now only as big as evolved, instead of bigger, because they've.

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Reduced it by a floor, that's significant and they have been very responsive.

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Through the land use committee process and now they have been listening and.

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They have tweaked it to better appeal to bloomington.

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So I appreciate four of them for that. I do have a fundamental problem with as.

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And this is no secret to anybody the whole notion of student housing. I oppose.

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The idea of a student housing district, absolutely as students are, you know.

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People that we, when we build them, dormitories that have surveillance.

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Cameras and residents assistants resident assistants in them. We are.

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Exacerbating the worst problems of campus, I have no problem with college. I.

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Have no problem with university, I have a problem with campus. I have a problem.

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With the idea that there is one authority, however, benign designing an.

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Entire anti city that duplicates all the functions of our city and does so in the.

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Name of taking care of students, because somehow they can't take care of.

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Themselves, I mean every property developer in this room knows that you.

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Know most students are responsible, rent payers, they wouldn't be in the business.

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So the idea that we are somehow exacerbating the the original sin of a.

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You know doppelganger city, that sits in our midst that doesn't pay taxes that.

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Builds housing is a problem. If anybody's gonna build the housing, it should be. The.

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People in this room, but because the the we are the the problem here is that.

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We're separating the affordability to someplace else anyplace, but here this is.

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You know we're we're we're separating both students and affordable housing.

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Renters to two separate parts of the city: where is the commitment to mixing.

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Them together, where is the commitment to having a mixture of income.

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Wherever I mean, I don't buy the idea that some of there's so many students.

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That we can't do it in either way. I don't think it's true at all before the.

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Advent of giant towers: where did I use students live before world war? Two? They.

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Housed among bloomin tony uns, they lived with people. There were no dorms there.

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Was collins and the women's residence center were the only dormitories before.

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World war two, so you know I don't buy the idea that we can't accommodate them.

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Amongst us, not that it's easy, if we're gonna do it. This is a pretty good.

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Project so I am very eager to hear my colleagues have to say, because I have as.

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Much reason to vote against, it has to vote for it. I'm still on the fence, and I.

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Need to know what they feel like, so I'm hoping for a second bite at the apple.

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Thank you, councilmember granger,.

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I hate to start on a negative, so I'm going to thank the petitioners for the.

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Solar and the attempts at a green roof and reducing fewer, reducing the beds as.

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Proponents of small growth. However, I take umbrage with the comment that the.

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Area is underutilized that really I'm just gonna say it pisses me off and.

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Because you're from out of town, although mr. gorilla could have known this, this.

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Is a site where people who do not have homes have a place to live? That's the.

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Cheapest place in town yeah, there are problems there, but these this population.

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Doesn't have a home to live in and we're talking about tearing it down, so we can.

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Build one-bedroom apartments for a thousand dollars. It bothers me because.

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This is where new hope, shelter for family shelters, families, children who.

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Have no other place to go and it's not it's not the best place. Excuse me, but.

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They have a place, a roof over their hell head until we can find them housing. So.

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Right off the bat, I have a problem with that. I have a problem with the fact that.

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And this is not the petitioners, but that the city maybe has a desire to tear down.

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Apartments that maybe aren't the best looking in town- oh, but we're gonna, build.

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Affordable housing there. That I question also because I know some of these.

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Affordable buildings that want to be torn down their rents are under $600 and.

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My guess as to what's gonna be built will not be affordable to people. I know.

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This apartment is not affordable to me. I could not afford to live in a.

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One-Bedroom I couldn't actually afford to live in a four bedroom with three.

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Other people, so that aside.

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Thank you, mahai architectural design, and I I guess I mean I'm not an architect.

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But I was one of those who supported evolve and, quite frankly, I didn't I.

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Don't think that's high architectural design, and so that's you know neither.

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Here that or there because I'm not an expert, I am really not convinced that we.

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Need 800 or sorry 750 beds. I use adding 700 beds next year. I do really wonder.

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About vacancy rates in all these large complexes for students and the research.

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That I have seen- and this is not just in the past week but research- I've seen.

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Does not indicate that building a large apartment complex like this will result.

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In a reduction in brent's in the rest of the city, I don't see a lot of cheaper.

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Apartments- I just I'm not sure how about that. I am concerned with parking and.

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Parking on adjacent properties and then neighboring steep streets because well.

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Parking is always an issue, and I just might have problems with that and I am.

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Not convinced that this pud has benefits to the community, I agree that probably.

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The two point: four six million- would have benefits to the community, but not.

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This property again, I'm not sure that that two point four six million dollars.

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Is going to go into properties that are really affordable for people who need.

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Them- and I am also one of those ones that I know mr. simms likes- that the.

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Students are one place. I don't like that. I don't like that. We separate we put.

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Students here we're gonna, put the poor people over there. We're gonna put somebody else over there. I don't like it and, unfortunately, that's what I'm seeing.

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With this, this housing fund that this is attendance.

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Again, I I did say that I approved evolve, but that was really about it being.

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Adjacent to campus, this is not so adjacent to campus and how you have to.

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Get there walking or bus or driving, I think it's a great piece of property for.

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A housing project- I really do, but I don't. I don't like this one- that they're.

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Just it they're just too many bedrooms and if we go back to pu dee's and what.

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The rules are last week, somebody, I don't know who it was mentioned or question do.

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Our rules mean nothing anymore, and I wonder because we are being asked to.

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Make extreme variances a minimum of five acres? Nope! Don't have it here, the height.

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Variance nope pud 15 units per acre. Well, what they want is a 400 percent variance.

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Even with the reduction in, I don't know how many beds maximum of 60 percent.

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Impervious no 70 percent exceeds this, and the environmental commission.

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Rejected this proposal I don't see trees. I mean there's a lot that even scraggly.

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Trees do to our environment in helping us with our issue of green space, and I.

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Think we are missing green space. I don't support the project. I know somebody may.

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Say, oh, we are anti business, no, I'm not, and I'm not anti apartments. I am anti.

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Huge projects like this anti huge project out on 446- I just I'm not. I.

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Don't support big projects like this, and I think that there are ways that we.

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Could build here that would be pleasant, would have more green space.

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Would really blend with the neighborhood and not distress the neighbors, and I.

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Think we should have a plan of what we're going to do for people who cannot.

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Afford housing before we tear down housing to build something else. Thank.

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You councilmember sandburg last week. The plant commission of course began the.

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Process of reviewing the new unified development ordinance that will be.

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Coming to us as soon as we finish our review, but in going over the overarching.

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Goals that we are to consider as we draft the new zoning we were shared with.

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The clearing consultants here, what we're going for these are the takeaways.

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Affordable housing, no doubt about it. This is something that the community has.

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Struggled with ever since the housing market crash we're not building new.

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Homes and that's that's an issue and in order to get to affordable- and I love.

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The words of richard martin who's been a former planner and a part of you do.

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Revisions going back to 1962, he said: affordable housing is the housing that.

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Already exists, new construction will only be affordable with subsidies. Well,.

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How do we get to the subsidies and the incentives if we don't start being.

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Creative with how we're going to find that new construction is not cheap, not.

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With the cost of materials, it's not going to be affordable.

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The other issue reduction of student housing pressures- and I will disagree.

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With some of my colleagues, it almost makes it sound like in placing students.

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In one area that is somehow prejudicial or discriminatory and to me is about of.

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Compatibility of lifestyles, younger people who are coming here to indiana.

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University to study and to come of age are going to have different sets of.

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Living expectations, then older residents, more established residents that are.

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Living in core neighborhoods, who don't necessarily want to be in large, you know.

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Places like this with undergraduate students, it's a matter of compatibility.

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Is not discriminatory, and so, when we're.

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Trying to reduce student housing pressures in other parts of the city, it.

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Makes perfect sense to me to have student oriented housing as close to.

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Indiana university, as we can get it within reasonable walking distance.

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Biking distance ability to take the public transit that bt will be providing.

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And so I think this location is indeed a rather ideal place for a housing project.

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Like this, is it may be too large for a lot of people's comfort zone, but it does.

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Fit the reduction of student housing pressures that this community has always.

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Faced being a town-gown community, we are a second class city with a huge.

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University in our midst and we've got a plan for that and be mindful not only.

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The needs of the students and their proximity to be where they need to be.

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And also the needs of the longer term residents of this community sustainable.

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Development is number three improve user friendliness of the you do and more.

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Predictability in development review process: those are the five overarching.

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Themes that we're all to consider, as we take a look at all the amendments that.

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Have come forward to make our current you do draft as good as it can be better.

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Than it currently is again, many many highly invested civic leaders and.

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Community members came forward to address their concerns about the you. Do.

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But with respect to this project again it did, it did fly through plan.

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Commission approval based on it is an appropriate location for this kind of.

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More dense housing, where we're also trying to put dense housing and already.

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Dense established older neighborhoods, I disagree with, but this is the right.

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Place this is the right kind of housing for this, and so I will be approving it.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Council, member simms, you were noticed. Thank you. First of all, I would not be.

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Opposed if we took another week to look at some of the conditions.

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But what I want to address first off is a couple things. This is not an easy.

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Subject at all and if what I do want to say, I just heard a colleague say mr. sam.

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Said something about putting one group of housing here and poor people there.

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And if I ever insinuate of that, then let me make it.

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Okay- okay, I'll just want to make clear about everything anyway that please.

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Understand that that is not my intent, we have a problem, one of our many problems.

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As the cost of land I mean that we have limited, I mean, there's limitations, so we.

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Have to make some choices somewhere along the line. I don't know how creative.

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But but the facts are these: we got good ones and we got some bad ones or some or.

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Not as I mean a boy, I think I just heard from a competitor that says even with.

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The amount of parking that it's still not enough parking, it's kind of been my.

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Experience and I, when I look at all these other projects, that is in fact.

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What happens that? We might be happy up here and say 0.5 over point for whatever.

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But the reality of the matter is that once they open up, then we have people.

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Parking on side streets on occasion and and other things, I'm encouraged that.

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We're talking about transit to maybe help alleviate some of that and get some.

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Of these other little buses running around, you know kind of control that a.

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Little bit indiana university, and many of you know that I retired there after.

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33 years of working there and a majority that was working in residence, centers in.

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Residence center division, okay, indiana university administration- at this point.

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That I'm aware of have no plans to create university housing on their.

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Property to house over 40,000 students, they don't have it. There's no plans for.

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It that I'm aware of yeah we'll build, we had plans before I.

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Left to build this little 700 you it darn, I mean yeah. We did that now.

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Would help, but I want folks to understand that's some of the things.

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That us on the city, council and administration have to deal with. I think.

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You can house sixteen seventeen thousand students between single residency, dorms.

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Fraternity and sorority row apartment housing and they've got some house and.

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Spread out that they own on third and and you know, different places, I think.

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About sixteen, seventeen thousand is what those houses can hold. What do we do with.

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The rest of them I mean so we have to consider those things. I do understand.

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That that enrollment may be dropping there are some statistics that saying.

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Some other things again, I work at indiana university in residential halls.

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Or residential programs and services we recruit hard folks week out folks going.

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Everywhere to recruit students in the last or residences to come to.

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Bloomington campus last, I heard that we anticipate about the same amount of new.

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Residents we got this year for about the next seven years. Now it may drop at some.

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Point years and years ago we used to look at india and high school graduation.

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Rates and that that was the driving thing, I'm telling you now. This isn't.

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Indiana anymore, we're bringing international students we're going to.

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Chicago jersey, new york, la it is going to be hard for. I, you bloomington campus.

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To drop below that threshold, that they've said it's going to be difficult.

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So this problem isn't going or this issue I don't want to call the problem.

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Isn't going away okay and that we got infrastructure things? Let me know if my.

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Time is up dominate anything, but but this is you.

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Know I I lived when you know. Luckily my children are grown now, but there was a.

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Time when my children were small and think my son was maybe about yeah two.

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Years old and we lived in well, it is: we lived in colonial crest. This is before.

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All these other places that we've had, I would never ever again have my family.

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Lived in a student oriented housing, is it possible? Yes, it's possible. Some.

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People can do it for me. I would not do that. That is not.

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Conducive has some great neighbors until little five until thursday night until.

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Friday night, you know these sorts of things. I was on a fraternity in campus.

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You know, but we're talking about raising my family and trying to it's not.

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Segregating, that's not what I wanted. We got workforce housing, an affordable.

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Housing and and the middle missing housing- and you know a bunch of other.

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Issues besides student housing and we're going to have to come to grips with that.

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So I actually you know with all the response. Responsiveness, that's we've.

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Gotten in some of the things we've talked about, I don't think this is a horrible project. I don't think it's the best project, but with what we've got.

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With the limitations of land, with with some of the other processes, that's.

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Happening here and with our overall lack of housing inventory and we're talking.

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All facets with the possible exception of you know, really really. You know five.

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Acre lots and half million dollar homes. It may not be shortages there, but.

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Everything else we need up our in housing inventory and this portion of.

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Housing is just one of those. So again, I would not have a real problem with you.

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Know, taking a little bit more time before our time expires to act on it. Consider it a little bit more, and I do want to thank.

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Everyone for their comments, the petitioners for their responsiveness.

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To some of these issues- and there are some things we say well financially and.

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I think we can do it well. Next time we talk, I hope, there's a firm commitment on.

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Some things that we've talked about tonight that can kind of help that go.

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And understand that we have to consider a lot of the things that our local folks.

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Have said that you guys say we're going to develop it, we'll look at this for a.

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While and I think you're a nice gentleman, but we may never see you again.

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After this is gone, you see and we're we're going to have to live with this.

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And that's one of the main concerns that we're dealing with. So thanks for.

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Allowing me to comment: this is not an easy choice, but again we got more people.

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Than we got housing and we have to come up with some things to help resolve this.

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So I don't have all the answers. I don't think any of my colleagues do, but I.

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Think between all of us talking and administration and some of our local.

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People and some other things I think at some point we'll be able to get there so.

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Thank you. Thank you before we go on to other comments, mr. shermin, if we were to.

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Postpone what what do we have next wednesday? They went out in your packet.

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They'll be introduced tonight, you know, and there are four items three of them.

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Come forward from, can you hear me closer to the mic and these three of them come.

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Forward from the utilities department, there is a refunding bond and there is a.

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Rate adjustment- and there is a waiver of connection fees, so those are three and.

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Then we have a fourth which is from the county and they're seeking your approval.

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To issue tif bonds and we're involved, because we annexed some of the land in.

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That tif, so those are the four items that are coming forward for committee.

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Next week, thank you for that. So for our consideration as we go forward.

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Councilmember ruff do comment yeah like to say guarding next.

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Week counts, mr. chairman just went over what we do have for next week. Once then.

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We don't we won't have for next week. As me, it was a committee hearing scheduled.

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And I wouldn't be missing a final vote on anything, so I will not be here next.

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Week we have all nine of us here tonight. Thank you, so I'll try to be very quick.

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Here because councilman granger expressed a lot of counsel, grantors.

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Comments have been most similar to what my position is, and so I won't repeat.

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Anything she said you know I was opposed. I was supposed to evolve the proposal.

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For the century village project I would have opposed smallwood if I could have.

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There are ways I believe that that that are much more bloomington to meet our.

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Housing needs and the metaphor to to produce affordable housing that I think.

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Are more consistent with what what this community, where this community is, that I.

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Think bloomington ian's are tired of this. To be honest with you, they're tired.

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Of this kind of thing, this scale this transformation of our community, whether.

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It's downtown or coming into town. I don't think the community has to grow in.

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This manner- and I agree- I have concerns that it's not really fair. It.

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Disadvantages smaller local businesses that are our own developers that have.

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Less financial clout to get these kinds of variances in this manner. You know and.

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I'm concerned about that, you know I you know that we we have had councilman.

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Bolin has has explained to us many times about looking at the growth of.

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Bloomington over a long period of time, around 1%, plus or minus a little tiny.

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Bit of that, but only a certain percentage of that is this. This market.

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We're talking about right now for the student housing and- and you know I don't.

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Understand, what's going on with with with multiple big developments that the.

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Amount of developments we see they're targeted and geared towards this and are.

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What we understand or what I've understand to be our overall growth in.

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This community- I'm I'm voting no on this and I hope we take a vote tonight.

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Because I'd like this, I like just, I think we need to go up or down on this. I.

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Think that administration's expressed the desire for the council to vote up or.

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Down on this and move on, so thank you thanks for coming who would.

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Like to go next.

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If not, I will say something: you'd like to wait. Okay, let's see, I have some notes.

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Yes, everyone needs to first bite of the apple, so I'll take mine and I don't want.

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To add to what councilmember grainger said, because I think she was very expressive and and very very good said, a lot of things that I said just as.

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Councilmember ruff did I'm in a quandary. Do we need more student housing? I'm.

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Uncertain about that and that's uncertainty is derived from unknown.

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Occupancy of current complexes, I don't have a definitive answer of that, so that.

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Ambiguity bothers me. The uncertainty is also derived from the predictive decline.

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In enrollment, now whether we are there is a precipitous decline or whether.

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We're it stasis well, in that case, we don't need any more student housing, even.

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If we we've leveled off and the enrollment as far as I can see, peaked.

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Into 2016 and has declined each year, does the community one more large scale.

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Student housing downtown, you know, I note that this is more than ten blocks from.

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The square, but it is, according to the comprehensive plan, an important.

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Transition and gateway for the community- and there is considerable public.

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Investment in this area in the miller showers park, I would prefer to see other.

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Types of housing, a variety of housing and residential.

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Housing, owner-occupied, housing, mixed-use and so forth.

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Instead of a monolithic development, I would say with confidence that district.

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Four constituents believe that student housing has gone too far.

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Large-Scale and it's detrimental e, impacting the city in terms of detron.

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Demographic and balance in downtown, particularly so I share that concern I I.

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Think the sentiment is and and this may be counter to come summer sims, but that.

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The university should provide its own housing needs at this point now that is.

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If they plan on increasing enrollment, I'm not saying that they need to provide.

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Housing for all the students, but if they plan on increasing enrollment, then they.

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Ought to be thinking about their facilities, their instructors as well as.

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Their housing, their housing, as well as those things from experience, I don't.

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Regard this type of housing as durable or adaptable for your future housing.

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Needs, I think I think, we've maxed out on this monolithic, large-scale development.

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Student development, recognizing that the petitioner offers a sizeable.

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Contribution to the housing fund- that is undoubted, but I am troubled that in.

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Place of what used to be demonstrable public, good on-site, large contributions.

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Fulfill this demonstrated public need good. I think that the public good should.

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Be manifest on-site, I think that should be apparent on-site, not just in terms of.

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A large contribution, so, given my reservations, I will vote no, and I will.

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Come on smith, when I saw the changes that had been proposed since last week, I.

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Was very pleased to see these changes because it meant that the petitioner was.

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Listening and did care about our concerns that we had expressed in land.

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Use committee, the solar panels, the partial green roof, the commitment to.

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Have to fund bloomington transit: these are all excellent changes and last week.

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We already saw the the with the the much more new urbanist design, where the.

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Building is pulled up to the street, which I also embrace as a very good.

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Change to this project, but so it was difficult for me tonight because I I do.

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I do appreciate all the changes that have been made. I think that these are.

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All great steps- and I would love to to be the first community to benefit from.

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Cdg having solar panels, and I would hope that they would continue to have solar.

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Panels on future buildings, however, my misgivings that were expressed in.

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Previous land-use committee hearings have not been overcome and I think my.

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Colleagues, who were not on the land use committee have made some excellent.

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Points, council, members, granger and and ruff and.

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Rallo there is, there is a question of whether this type of housing is.

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A desired by the non student population that that I largely represent and be.

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Necessary we hear about 96% occupancy rates, but then through other channels, we.

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Hear that smallwood is only 67 percent occupied, so I don't quite buy this 96.

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Percent, it also just doesn't add up with the numbers, given that in recent years,.

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The student population has not increased as much as as the additional buildings.

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That have gone up, and I do as council member rallo said. I also hear from my.

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Constituents that they don't want more of these tall sort of modern, looking big.

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Chunks of building in the near downtown area- and this is this- is not really.

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Campus, this is a northern part of downtown, but really I have to come back.

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To what I said last week, and that is that this is such a great deviation from.

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Our current ordinance that it really does look I'm not saying it is, but it.

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Does give the appearance of pay-to-play, and I don't like that. I think that is a.

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Terrible message that perhaps we're not sending it but that's the way people are.

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Receiving it- and I think we need to be very careful and it's it's difficult. I.

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Mean how do you really separate in your mind? You know the the two point. Four six.

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Million dollars that can go to help people who need housing in our community.

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From this project, it's you know, I'm not accusing anybody of using that as the.

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Reason to perf this be, as I said, there are some good features.

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And they have improved, but it is looking at the the great difference between.

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What's in our code now and what is being proposed, it's just too great a chasm and.

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I don't want there to be any perception that we're allowing this chasm, because.

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Of a monetary contribution, I also think it is a worrisome trend that we are.

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Seeing older, affordable, very cheap, let's say housing such as motel, 6 being.

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Replaced by by new fancy shiny developments, I mean they look nicer. Yes,.

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Absolutely this would look nicer than motel 6, yes, but where do those people go more than the money in the pot? We need actual.

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Units or low-income people can actually live long term. So, while I do appreciate.

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All the time and effort that cdg and smith briana put into this petition, I.

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Cannot support it. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I think councillor sandberg wanted.

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To make another comment: anyone anyone else would like to speak first round.

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Okay, seeing none then we'll go to susan steinberg. I did want to make one more.

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Comment with respect to the payment and lieu option, I do feel that in the.

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Interest of affordable housing and how we're going to get there. This is an.

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Important component, I think it's been unfairly in the line and I do want to.

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Say one thing: we did turn down a project of this similar scope in an area that.

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Was owned too small of a property and not in the right location? The century.

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Village property proposal was not approved.

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That came with a if I'm not mistaken, a voluntary contribution to the affordable.

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Development fund, so this body and plan commission is.

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Certainly capable, if it's not an appropriate project, no matter how much.

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Is on the table for the benefit of the housing development fund? It will not be.

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Accepted and I think that's speaks to the integrity of us as a body plan.

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Commission, as a body and the administration, we've actually heard our.

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Staff and our administration tonight called liars, but there's somehow.

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Manipulating and doing backroom deals- and I take offense to that.

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I know these good people who work for this city, and I know that is not.

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Happening, I also would like to say with respect to the local developers that, if.

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People came to us with a really good project that was in the line of what.

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We're looking for with the missing middle with a nice proposal for a quad.

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Or a smaller condo unit and they did not have the funding to voluntarily commit.

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To the housing development, if, on the face of it, it was a good project and it.

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Was worth our consideration to improve our missing middle housing stock? I would.

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You know undoubtedly approve it. It does not have to come with that voluntary.

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Commitment in order for us to make good decisions with clarity and with.

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Integrity- and I do want to get that on the record, because this is actually an.

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Amendment that's coming forward to the planning commission tomorrow night. It.

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Probably won't come up, we may have to have additional meetings beyond tomorrow.

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Night, which is going to go into the wee small hours? Because we're going to be.

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Dealing with the plexes and ad use- and that's probably going to take up, I.

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Couldn't bulk of the night, but there is an amendment on the table that came.

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Actually from the chamber of commerce- and I happen to agree with it- that they.

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Do want to see a more administrative procedure adapted by this body for the.

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City council, to establish a process for determining how that money is collected.

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How it is how it is utilized, how it is going to be allocated, and that needs to.

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Be in place before the new draft of the you do is finalized. I happen to agree.

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With that amendment, I don't what plan commission will do with it, but.

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Depending on, if it votes, gets, voted up or down, we as a body have an opportunity.

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To re-examine that, if there are muddiness and murkiness and people are.

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Concerned about this housing development fund and how those those dollars are.

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Obtained we can fix that by having a very you know, ironclad clear process in.

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Place that would take any of the the suspicion that this is an unfair process.

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That it is not, you know, does not level is not. You know an appropriate level.

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Playing field for smaller developers, who certainly are welcome to come forward.

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With good projects to give this community the housing that it needs in.

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The proper locations where it's not going to cause concerns or problems for.

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Other other other entities in the built environment. I just wanted to get that on.

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The record, thank you. Thank you. We're on the second round comments or.

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Recommendation anyone else comes marilyn. I want to throw a few things in here.

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There first, while there is a demand for housing, let's not kid, anyone there were.

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8200 freshmen this year's class, that's 200 of them living in lounges. In fact,.

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I'll quote you from the herald times about 200 india, university students are.

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Studying the fall 2019 semester living in residence hall, lounges, that goes with.

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You can look almost every year and the daily student august, 20 1853 new.

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Students living in lounges august 2016 students living in lounges decreases 200.

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215 from 180 last year, 2012 november overcrowding, lease students without.

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Residence hall rooms, august 2012, temporary housing numbers down rps has.

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Gone as usually starts with 225 to 275 students living in a floors, common space.

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January 2009, students no longer living in lounges september 2002. All the boys.

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In the lounge 38 students have been designated to live in lounges. It happens.

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All the time, there's only that the new dorm that's being built next to mcnutt.

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Will add 700 beds, that'll be the first net new housing in.

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50 years that the trustees have approved every other new construction, that's.

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Happened has been offset by redesign of other dorms, which has reduced their.

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Capacity or the tearing down of a building like the university apartments.

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East, or was it west africa, which one got torn down there? You go mr. simms, no.

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So you know, let's not kid ourselves, it's it's tempting, as many people said last.

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Year, when they objected to century village that the demand is going down.

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This is the last school in the state of indiana. That's going to suffer from an.

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Enrollment problem, because it's the school that more than eight more people.

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Want to get into the minitor school, it's the flagship university in the state of.

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Indiana, okay, so we may suffer a little bit, but I don't even know what suffering.

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Means I you can't control its enrollment. Iu has always grown every decade since.

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It started in 1820, bloomington has grown every decade since it was founded in.

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1818 monroe county has grown and we're growing by about 800 to a thousand.

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People a year on average, okay, so we can debate what kind of housing we want and.

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That's in fact what we are debating, but there's no doubt in my mind about that.

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Every decade is going to be a need yeah. Maybe we will slow down for a few years.

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We're gonna have more people living here by 2030. I think this is a good location.

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For urban apartment housing, I'm just concerned about its intended use that.

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It's concentrated for one very narrow demographic, however, big demographic.

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Carriers in town that money that's being set aside, it's not really about mean.

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It's not unreasonable for a developer to pay some money in lieu of doing.

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Something else it's not any. I will grant that I don't have a problem with the.

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Housing development fund, my concern is what we're doing with the money where.

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We're putting the housing we're concentrating it in certain areas of the.

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City, or are we we're, certainly not putting it here? What if this building.

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Were seven stories tall, but the extra story was entirely.

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Affordable housing, how do we feel about it, then? Okay, something to think about.

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Not that the developer wants to propose that I'm just saying, for the sake of it,.

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Is it really the problem that this building is tall or is it that there are.

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Students living in it and that non students don't want to even see it in.

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Other neighborhoods, let alone think about it in their own. I don't disagree.

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That this project will make more room for non students and core neighborhoods.

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It will draw people out draw students out of core neighborhoods just as.

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Smallwood did in 2004 when it opened, there were at least four houses in.

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Garden hill that went from rental to owner-occupied, okay: this is a thing that.

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Happens- and I do agree with the idea that if we build more housing, it will.

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Generally, keep rents from going up high as higher as they do if it not, if not.

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Brings them down, I mean, not only should there be affordable housing on this site.

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If we really wanted to get rid of a big objection to it, I mean how you should.

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Have affordable housing yeah on campus? Why don't they house staff members.

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Clerical staff on-site: why is it have to be only students that live there me it's.

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Because we tend to treat students as children, we don't treat them as adults and I use it is. The campus is designed to keep them treated as children with.

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All due respect to my estimable colleague, mr. simms, who weren't there.

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For a long time I don't I, you know he it worked in the dorms, the dorms existed.

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We're not gonna take them away. The fact that I object to the idea of dorms in.

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The first place is something a matter for another time: nothing wrong with the.

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Work that he did, but there is a problem with the architecture itself and I don't.

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Want this to promulgate the notion of a dorm, so this is why I keep I'm torn by.

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This evolved set a precedent to ignore the old rules we voted for it. The.

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Council majority voted for it, despite the fact that it doesn't go with our.

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Existing zoning ordinance that set a precedent approving this would set a.

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Pattern, so the question is: do we want this to be campus housing west, because.

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If we approve this and we already approved evolve, any other developer will reasonably say. Why can't I do that too?.

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This community has reacted over decades decades by slowly putting rules in place.

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There's all this crappy little housing in elm heights and old, northeast.

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Apartment buildings with ugly man, swords built in the 60s that are just you know,.

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Set back in the street they're suburban in the middle of our city, there's a.

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Whole bunch of crappy big housing in garden hill that was built before we put.

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Rules in place to prevent that kind of crappy housing from being built. We.

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Started neighborhood parking zones in 1992 to address the issue of parking if.

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There's a challenge with parking: it's a challenge with people wanting to.

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Continue having free or cheap parking as convenient as possible, you can have a.

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Cheap or you can have a convenient, you can have both the solution to the neighbors, who have parking lots up there. That might be.

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Affected by this is a create a parking zone up. There is for them to start.

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Charging what the market will bear for their parking, because it's clearly a.

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Commodity in demand, and even at the same time as this development, if that's going.

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To go forward should separate the cost of parking from rent so that people can.

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Opt out more easily, I'm assuming they're going to do that, but just in case something should be brought up, but we need to charge more for it off street.

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And we need to charge for it on street if we really don't, because it's not need.

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It's a demand. There are people who demand parking, but nobody really needs.

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It or they'll pay for what they need and we need to keep making restrictions like.

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That that's! Why we're reviewing the zoning ordinance for the third time at.

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Least since 1975 we're about to do it, so I hope if people can see my ambivalence.

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Here all right, I know the demand is increasing. We need more housing. What.

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We're debating here is the form and the population of the people in this.

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Building is there a reason why we can't build affordable housing on or near this.

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Instead of just setting it aside, I mean if we, if the administration could make a.

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Commitment to building affordable housing in this area- and I don't know.

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How they would do that? It then so be it, but the easiest way to do it is get the.

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Developer to do it, I'm gonna yield here, but I will point.

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Out that mr. stir bomb did not speak in first round and people should have a.

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Chance to respond to him or to miss chopra if they choose to speak now. Thank.

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You councilmember sims was next. Thank you. It's a pud because it is not being.

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Built according to what that zone would allow that's why we're hearing for a pud.

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Okay, now we mentioned pro forma earlier by cdg. I think we mentioned it and we're.

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Looking at our performer, I mean this is about building good housing, but it's all.

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About make this is a business now, if we would have said we're not going to take.

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Your contribution to the affordable housing fund and for you to build this.

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You will build 25% of your units at a certain ami in order to be affordable.

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Housing, we wouldn't be here talking tonight. I predict, I predict they pull.

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Out of here so fast I could be wrong. I don't think so. I.

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Think if we said you will do this in order to get that they would drop it.

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Right now, okay, now there's there's a whole lot of.

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Things going on the exclusionary zoning: how can we do some stuff? Our limited.

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Property, our developers, what you know, that's where the money is is in.

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Multifamily buildups, so why don't we get a petition that someone wants to build.

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Some single-family homes, you know in a subdivision, a project. Why don't we get.

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That, because there's no money in it now compared to what other things we're.

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Talking about I mean, let's just face it and be real. This is one part of the.

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Overall housing inventory shortage that we have in this town and for us to say.

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Well, you know if this it's in the right place, it's needed is that, but I I mean.

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I'm okay, I respect each and every one of my I just said a little differently. This is one pin in the linchpin of all of the.

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Different areas of housing that this town needs city, I'm sorry we're a city.

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We're not a town, this city needs and, and us just messing around with this stuff.

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No I'm, okay with it. I don't. I don't want to say messing around but us to keep.

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Debating it, then we're not moving forward. You know almost said something.

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Else, but I know it upset a lot of folks. I don't want to do that, but those that.

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Think that bloomington is going to be anywhere near the same way. It was when I.

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Got here 40 years ago and the way it was ten years ago, then I think we're all.

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Sadly mistaken, I think we can do certain things. We can build more stuff. We can.

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It'll take time and we can maintain the character that I hear about all the time.

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From all over the city, but it's going to take some time and you know so if we.

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Vote for this tonight and I do intend to support it, but this is not at the.

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Exclusion of other projects and other needs in this city, and I would like to.

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Make that clear as well. Thank you thank you.

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I will go to cosmodrome and then rough and come of rough has a second bite. So.

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Councilmember stirone. Do you have a comment yeah? You know I liked what.

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Councilmember simms said earlier that maybe we need to put this off a week. You.

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Know there are some details, there's some of those ends. There's some I'd like to.

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Hear back about sidewalks, more specifically and I'd like to hear a more.

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Clear report from planning about the gaps and if public works would play a.

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Role in that or cdbg money might play a role in filling the gaps. If we can't.

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Respect the petitioner to do to do all of that. I'd like to hear more details.

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About the transit agreement- and I really think the addition of brick was token- I.

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Think the front of that facade all the dark colors should be brick and I'd like.

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To see materials that will actually be, and I'd like to suggest that we postpone.

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This so that we postpone mix well, then you'll have to make a motion: let's go to.

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Councilmember ruff.

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You know there's a lot to unpack in some of the assumptions and assertions about.

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Numbers and in growth and the market here, and not that it's not the best.

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System devised yet by people, but when there's money to be made.

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Capitalist economies, often over over, exploit over a shoot when there's a grab.

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To be made and bloomington has come to the attention recently of a larger and.

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Larger set more remotely located, set up of interests, and so just as one quick.

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Example, one of my council colleagues made some of how we don't really know.

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There's some details in these things, for example, part of the recent problem of.

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Housing university students on campus has been the large number of dorm rooms.

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Closed because the mold issue right that wasn't brought up. But that's that's part.

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Of that, at least a recent part of that problem, right that why so many were in.

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The in that lounges these last two years- and I just want to give that as an.

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Example of we don't it's, we don't. We really have all the information full.

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Understanding. Thank you. Thank you further comments or a recommendation.

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Councilmember fallin: do you have a comment? I think what.

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I'm waiting for a recommendation or final comments. Okay, questions been.

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Called will the clerk please call the roll on ordinance 1912. So this is a.

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Motion to adopt ordinance, eighteen or nineteen, twelve, yes, okay,.

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Council member breath no chopra, yes, piedmont, smith, no granger, no rallo, no.

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Fallin not based on my vote. That's why.

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Stir bomb, I don't mr. sherman is the motion to.

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Postpone does it, does it we're in the middle of roll call and the questions.

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Been called you're in the middle of a vote now can raise it at a later point.

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I count tell me the three five one: okay, it fails. Thank you. Thank you for coming.

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This evening, thank you for your presentation. We have now to move to.

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First reading, thank you.

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Legislation, parliamentarian yeah. Mr. president, I moved the ordinance 1915.

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Introducing read by title and synopsis: only it's been moved and seconded that.

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Ordinance 1915 be introduced and read by the clerk by title in synopsis. Only will.

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It kirk, please, read ordinance 1915 an ordinance authorizing the refunding of.

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Certain outstanding sewage works revenue, bonds with the city authorizing the.

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Issuance of the city of bloomington indiana sewage works, refunding revenue.

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Bonds of 2019 to provide funds for such refunding and the payment of the cost.

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Thereof and addressing other matters connected therewith, the synopsis is as.

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Follows this ordinance authorizes the city of bloomington to issue and sewage.

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Works refunding revenue, bonds of 2019 in the aggregate principal amount not to.

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Exceed seven million six hundred fifty thousand dollars the 2019 bonds will be.

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Issued to refund the city's currently outstanding sewage works revenue, bonds.

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Of 2004 sewage works, revenue, bonds of 2006 series b and sewage works revenue.

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Bonds of 2006 series see all of the purple of the purpose of obtaining lower.

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Interest costs and a reduction of debt service payments on such outstanding.

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Bonds, thereby achieving significant savings for the city. Thank you. We've.

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Lost our parliament parliamentarian, but someone like just.

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Mr. president, I move ordinance, 19 16, be read by title and synopsis. Only it's.

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Been moved and seconded that ordinance 1916 be read by the court by channel.

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Synopsis only with the clerk, please read ordinance 1916 to amend title 10 of the.

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Bloomington municipal code entitled wastewater rate adjustment, the synopsis.

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Is as follows, this ordinance amends the rates and charges in title 10 of the bloomington municipal code entitled wastewater to.

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Reflect increased cost of supplying wastewater services to customers and to.

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Make debt payments or debt service payments on bond financing for required.

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Capital improvements, it also establishes a new surcharge for service provided to.

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Lots parcels of real estate or buildings located outside the corporate limits of.

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The city thank you, 17b, introducing read by title and synopsis only second, it's.

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Been moved and seconded that we're in 1917 be introducing marin bay, the clerk.

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By gentlemen, synopsis only will the clerk please read ordinance 1917 to.

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Amend title 10 of the bloomington municipal code entitled wastewater.

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Regarding amended amending bmc 1008, oh for oh.

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Connection fees to allow waiver of those fees and to limited circumstances, to.

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Promote conversion of septic to sewer and to complement certain city.

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Affordable housing programs, the synopsis is as follows: ordinance 1917 amends.

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Bloomington municipal code, section 1008, 1/4, oh entitled wastewater connection,.

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Fees to give the director of the city of bloomington utilities department, the.

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Discretion to waive the connection fee for new sewer connections in two limited.

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Circumstances, the first is where the application for waiver is made by a.

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Department of the city of bloomington for a single-family residential dwelling.

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Affordable housing project is defined by hand department using low to moderate.

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Income guidelines, as outlined by the us department of housing and urban.

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Development on real estate located within city limits of the city of bloomington ii, is where the application for waiver is made.

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By an owner of real property, which is located within the city, limits of the of.

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The city of bloomington for the purpose of abandoning an existing septic system.

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Or to otherwise protect the municipal separate storm water sewer system, these.

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Two exceptions to the connection fee promote continued creation of new.

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Affordable housing and the reduction of septic system use in the city of.

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Bloomington projects that both promote improved quality of life. Thank you. Mr.

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President, I moved that ordinance, 1918, introduced and read by title and synopsis. Only it's been moved and seconded that ordinance 1918 be.

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Introduced and read by the clerk by title synopsis only with quote clerk.

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Oh ordinance 1918 to authorized the issuance of bonds by the mean by the.

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Monroe county redevelopment commission pursuant to indiana code, 36 714 3.5, the.

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Synopsis is as follows: this ordinance by the city of bloomington approves the.

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Monroe county redevelopment, commission's issuance of bonds payable with tax.

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Increment finance tif from monroe county's, westside, tif district, a part of.

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Which has been annexed by the city, the city's approval for issuing new bonds is.

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Required whenever the city has an extra property with ana county tif district.

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And the tax from that property will be used to repay tif bond, see indiana code.

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36 7 14 3.5. Thank you. Mr. president, I moved to reopen the vote. An ordinance.

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1912 need a second. Mr., I'm sorry, I moved to reopen the vote on ordinance 1912. Mr.

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Shermin points of order, mr. shermin, yes, could you please enlighten us that I.

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Leave that I think the formal motion is to a motion to reconsider the vote on.

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Ordinance thank you of 1912. According to our code, that's I'll restate the motion.

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As a motion to reconsider, thank you, I can tell you that the what's required.

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Here, when any question has been decided in the affirmative, any member voting.

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With the majority may move a reconsideration of, though, before.

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Adjournment so you have not adjourned. This motion is an order. Concurrence of a.

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Majority of the members present shall be sufficient to order reconsideration of a.

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Vote but if the motion to reconsider is defeated, it shall not be entertained.

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Again, it is just for clarity. Does the motion have to be made by a member in.

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The majority of the vote that was formally made the proof yes.

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Mr., I voted no in the majority, and so I reserve.

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Right, yes, if I may speak to the motion, it was clear to me that there were five.

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Votes to at least hear what would happen if reasonable conditions were attached.

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And that's now I only know that, because I spoke of mr. servo him who was unsure.

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Of how to vote, I presume that he was going to make that motion. That would.

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Have come first and that if a motion to continue to a third reading failed, then.

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A motion to vote this evening would have been in order. That was that was my logic.

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And so, as mr. sherman says, it would take a majority to reconsider the vote and.

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But I mean my goal was to move to a third reading. Instead of calling the.

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Question, I don't know which procedure which, which item takes precedence. Mr.

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Sherman is there a presidential because there are precedents over one of one.

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Motion over the other, what's the alternative.

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Again, if the council votes to reconsider the vote, I would want to see a different.

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Motion made first the motion that counsel burster bomb caught the cost.

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Customer serve on to pass. I think you. The first motion is to reconsider and.

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Then it's a motion to adopt and you're back where you were but again, if, if the.

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Alternate motion is to move to a third reading, that there was no opportunity.

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The motions- yes, I think you well interesting question. I don't have an.

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Answer for you, if nothing else is on the floor, a motion to a postponement or to.

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Another night is in order. I don't I'll leave it up to you, folks, I don't have a.

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Say on that, the motion to get a chance to be made because someone called the.

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Question- and we took we treated that as the superior motion.

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Eegs it was, I gave ample opportunity for a motion to be made. In fact, I gave fair.

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Warning to because council members were ambiguous, that a.

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Motion to postpone or a motion to adopt was to be made. The motion to adopt was.

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Made it's a motion to reconsider, and so I think you're stuck with him. The.

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Adoption vote on that one. If, if you want to reconsider that's but on the floor, is.

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The adoption and you'll revote that one all right, no correct. Thank you all right.

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Any other questions or comments yeah. Yes, please again, the goal was to.

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Get to have a motion first, where we could move to a third reading if the.

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Only option of this motion is to change the vote. If there's no possibility, I.

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Have to reconsider eight I mean right now. My understanding is that reconsideration will allow us to reopen the question if the only option is to.

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Again call the question, then I'll, withdraw my motion. If we can go back to.

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A motion to go to third reading, then I'll continue with the ones.

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Interesting here and what I raised earlier is that, because you need five to.

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Vote for or against, if this, the revote results in an on majority, then I think.

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You have opportunities to think about a third reading. You don't want to leave.

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With having left this matter in other people's hands, so as long as, if I change.

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My vote, it does not mean it is a vote for the petition, but rather I mean I.

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Don't want my vote to suddenly become an approval of the petition. I do not.

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Approve of the position as it is, I believe it needs to go to a third.

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Reading it deserves consideration a third reading, but I'm not willing to.

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Approve it unintentionally as a result of this motion, does that make sense.

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Yes, so we need clarity, we have a motion to reconsider.

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Okay with that we'll vote on, if that passes, then is the motion on the table.

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To adopt, or does it do, do we reopen the question I think you're you're back to.

N

Adoption, okay, all right! Well then, I withdraw the motion. Well, at this point,.

N

You've already had a well if there's consent to withdraw the motion, you can.

N

Do that takes all of you? Well, it was your motion. I've made my I made my point.

F

Clear, I said wherever it understands what I was trying to do, if there's no.

F

Objection I will withdraw my motion. Thank you all right. Thank you.

F

We are now on to additional public comment for now items not under agenda.

A

Seeing none, we will now go to council schedule. Mr. sherman.

A

Yes, we're scheduled for a council work session this friday and you have a few.

N

Items these are items that would come up in the second part of the latter part of.

N

September and the early in the mid part of october- and they include an.

N

Inducement resolution for private activity, bonds for the bloomington.

N

Housing authority earlier this year, you approve changes in the agreement, so they.

N

Could still go ahead with this now they want to get your help. Need your help to.

N

Start that process and we have an interlocal agreement with justice.

N

Assistance grant, and typically you don't need to hear about you- haven't heard.

N

About these at a council work session, you have that chance. There is an.

N

Ordinance that addresses a change of state law regarding how conflicts of.

N

Interest for building officials are handled in the city, so those are three.

N

And by the way, although it's not ready for consideration, I think the council.

N

Will probably take up a resolution regarding indigenous peoples day and.

N

That's going to be in that cycle on suggesting that something that would.

N

Have to be discussed on friday, so do you wanna? Are you available for a council.

N

Work session, I expect you'd want to hear about the inducement resolution and this.

N

Conflicts of interest by show of hands who would like to attend council work.

A

A

Well, who's planning on it. Two of us. You said enough for us to hold.

N

It no okay irene! Yes, sir, you know we don't have enough so well, then you.

N

Should cancel it, there should be a motion sore session on favor, okay, that.

A

Is cancelled anything else on our schedule. No thank you.

N

Oh right is there motion for adjournment so all in favor. We are adjourned.

AA