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A
And
we
will
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
begin
by
having
our
clerk
call
the
roll.
B
A
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A
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B
Sorry,
councilmember
rosenberger,
yes
sims.
Yes,.
B
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
president.
I
just
simply
want
to
say
that
the
martin
luther
king
jr
birthday.
H
Celebration
event
was
wonderful,
and
my
only
regret
would
be
that
I.
H
Didn't
attend
in
person,
and
it
was
indicated
by
many
of
my
colleagues
that
they
attended
via.
I
Yes,
thank
you.
I
will
just
briefly
say
that.
I
And,
of
course,
voting
rights
which
are
under
threat
as
we
speak.
So
let's
keep
up
the
good
fight.
I
A
D
The
the
type
of
developments
that
are
occurring
in
what
were
formerly
puds
and.
D
That
they
seemed
to
be
lacking
in
various
ways,
particularly
the
kmart
site,
for
instance,
which.
D
D
Watching
now,
for
weeks,
the
us
and
the
and
russia
are
heading
toward
potentially
a
conflict.
D
In
ukraine,
that
could
be
a
proxy
conflict
or
it
could
be
a
conflict
involving
the
us
versus.
D
Which
is
prone
to
accident,
so
I'm
bringing
this
up
because
I
intend
to
contact.
D
Serious
diplomacy
being
employed
to
prevent
a
conflict
from
occurring
there.
D
And
I
would
just
suggest
that,
if
you're
worried
about
this
attentive
to
it
that
you
might
consider.
A
A
A
J
Get
together
and
discuss
the
aggregate
scores
with
with
the
folks
from
the
city's
office
and.
J
A
K
A
Hopefully
we
will
hear
from
you
again
and
let
us
move
on
now
to
appointments
to.
A
Resolutions,
madam
presidents,
I
move
that
ordinance,
2201
be
introduced
and
read
by
the.
B
A
Sirens
with
the
new
hospital
here
closer
to
my
residence,
we
may
hear
them
from
time
to
time.
B
B
B
B
B
L
Here
tonight,
too,
and
we'll
present
a
slide
deck.
If
that's
okay,
yes,
thank
you.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
We
is
very
collective
here
we
heard
from
businesses
that
pick
up
drop-off
or
pluto.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
Of
the
sidewalk
space
versus
what
some
of
this
restaurant
was
able
to
use
during
the
closure.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
And
we
are
grateful
for
you,
so
I'd
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
A
Thank
you.
Will
mr
allen
want
to
make
any
comment
at
this
time
or
just
be
available
for.
A
Go
to
council
questions
then.
Do
we
have
any
from
council
members,
council,
member
rollo
thank.
D
You,
madam
president,
miss
cooper
smith
when
you
reference
the
400
000
plus
that
was
lost
in
terms.
D
Of
revenue
you
were
referring
to,
of
course,
the
parklets
that
displaced,
what
would
be
a
a
paying
a.
D
But
did
you
did
this
analysis?
Take
into
account
people
who
would
park
on
the
periphery.
D
L
L
Council,
member
volun
could
tell
us
exactly
yeah,
so
it's
not
an
exact
number
and
also
it's.
L
Not
allow
that
to
be
you
know
received,
but
again
I
still
think
it's
useful,
just
as
a
number.
D
A
E
Smith,
you
read
my
mind.
Well,
so
I
pulled
up
some
parking
data
and
I
can
give
you
I
mean.
E
L
E
L
L
I
guess
some
of
them
could
have
been
loading
zones
already,
but
I
would
be.
L
On
that,
well
I
mean,
I
guess.
The
only
thing
I
would
say
is
that
I
don't
think
that
the.
E
It's
still
a
significant
amount
of
money.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
I
just
you
know
it
depends
on.
I
mean.
E
E
E
Program
last
year,
yeah,
so
how
many
meters
would
you
estimate
are
being
blocked
off
by
this
program?.
L
L
The
you
know
most
difficult
ones
to
estimate.
I
think
what
their
impact
would
have
been
right.
M
L
L
L
E
Collagen
walnut,
where
not
every
space
on
the
100
block
of
north
college
or
north
walnut.
E
Is
being
made
into
a
parklet?
Is
that
right
right,
so
the
35
spaces
that
I'm
counting
are
the.
L
L
E
E
J
L
Didn't
include
it
in
the
report,
so
I
should
have
included
that,
especially
for
the
kirkwood.
L
Because
I
think
that
number
is
more
knowable
and
I
think,
as
I
said,
to
council
member
bolin.
L
With
the
parklets
it
is,
you
know
on
an
as
as
needed
or
as
participating
business
or
basis,
so.
L
Above
100
capacity-
so
that's
you
know,
10
500.
1250
is
for
that
mid-range
and
we
have.
L
L
L
N
For
the
presentation,
maybe
we
could
put
this
a
little
more
simply
because
I'm
interested
in.
N
L
L
Gets
14
000
for
kirkwood
and
then
the
parklets.
If
we
had
36
spaces
but-
and
we
know
those.
L
Were
metered
at
12.50
each
is
45
000.,
so
45
000,
plus
14
000..
I
just
did
that
wrong.
N
It's
debatable
whether
or
not
we're
actually
foregoing
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
parking
revenue,
but
it
sounds
like
even
so.
L
L
Expenses,
it's
making
a
public
good
available,
it's
using
our
right-of-way
to
support.
You
know.
L
Business
enterprise,
local
businesses,
so
there
are
some
trade-offs
in
there
and
I
think
that.
L
H
Thank
you
miss
cooper
smith
for
the
report.
I
do
have
another
question,
but
I'll
wait
until
the.
H
Next
round,
as
well,
but
along
with
the
fees
I'll
just
kind
of
share,
my
thoughts
on
that.
H
The
first
question
I
have
is
is
that
what
is
the
frequency
of
that
fee?
Is
that
for
the.
H
L
H
March
through
october,
and
any
revenues
is
generated,
is
that
part
of
that
intended
to
offset.
L
Labor
from
public
works,
labor
and
maintenance
and
vehicle
costs,
gas
plus
the
you
know,
the.
L
Ada
compliant
and
that
there
are
no
like,
for
example,
water
runoff
problems.
They
want
to
make.
H
Of
those
revenues
generated-
and
you
said,
parking
operation,
which
is
part
of
public
works,.
A
And
then
yes,
thank
you,
matt
smith.
I
wanted
to
to
dive
more
into
this
theoretical
loss.
M
The
the
amount,
maybe
by
an
order
of
magnitude
or
more
so
I'm
understanding
that
the
rough.
M
Calculation
is
just
assuming
those
spaces
would
be
filled
at
some
particular
utilization
rate.
M
M
M
Question
and
please
don't
take
my
questions
as
as
criticism
of
the
approach.
I
I
think
it's.
M
Or
it's
criticism
of
you,
I
guess
I
I
think
it's
important
to
to
think
through
though
what
happens.
M
Utilization
data
that
90
plus
percent
of
our
metered
spaces
are
underutilized
in
the
city.
M
So
it's
not
like
there
isn't
parking
it's
just
slightly
further
away
from
someone.
M
May,
where
they
may
have
been
headed,
so
would
you
agree?
I
guess
that
if
let's
say.
L
L
O
O
In
the
center
of
the
block,
or
as
you
get
towards
some
of
the
smaller
businesses,
there
would
be.
O
O
O
Year,
2020
in
the
year
2021
at
the
lost
revenue
per
meter
and
we
had
kind
of
pushed
back
and
gone.
O
Parking
council
member
flaherty,
which
you're
talking
about
was:
how
do
we?
How
do
we
look
at
the.
I
Yes,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
inquire
about
the
survey
that
was
done
by
dbi
and
that
resulted.
I
In
15,
wholehearted
approval
of
the
program
and
nine
conditional
or
qualified
approvals
and.
I
I
Program
and
also
the
opposition
to
the
program,
what
were
were
there
any
recurring
reasons?
Why.
I
L
I'll
summarize-
and
I
do
have
a
business
owner
feedback,
so
I
think.
L
By
the
closure-
and
so
you
know,
I
just
want
to
be
really
transparent
and
representing
them.
L
As
local
business
owners
too,
so
some
of
those
were.
L
Retail
out,
you
know
retail
outlets
and
then
others
were
more
like.
L
There
was
also
a
sort
of
thread
of
feedback
that
was,
you
know,
pretty.
L
L
L
L
L
L
I
Certainly
was
there
any
were
the?
Was
there
any
preponderance
of.
I
L
A
D
Mrs
cooper
smith,
to
pick
up
on
council
member
piedmont,
smith's
question.
Speaking
of.
L
D
L
Tend
to
be
older,
long
time,
users
of
the
restaurant
and
they
don't
have
the
capacity.
L
L
About
this
throughout
the
year,
in
spite
of
differences
of
opinion
but
yeah,
I
think.
L
D
Any
yeah
any
any
sort
of
objective
kind
of
numbers
to
or
maybe
not
objective,
but
in
any
case.
D
Benefiting
from
it,
so
I'm
trying
to
grapple
with
that
numerically.
So
thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
I'm
scrambling
to
get
numbers
here
just
for
the
sake
of
everyone.
Listening
in.
E
Normal
times
on
the
three
blocks
of
kirkwood
that
were
closed,
the
average
meter
generates.
E
So
I
would
say
that
it's
safe
to
say
that
the
demand
on
kirkwood,
where
the
meters.
E
Are
taken
out
of
use
because
of
stanchions
is
about
1700
1750
over
seven
months
per
meter.
E
E
But
if
we
would
allow
traffic
to
call
to
car
traffic
to
crawl
through
at
10
miles
an
hour.
E
It
would
alleviate
a
lot
of
the
concerns.
What
does
staff
think
of
this
idea?.
L
Better,
better
options,
logistically
speaking
so
I
want
to
represent
his
perspective.
L
L
Thing
to
do
in
this
setting,
so
I
think
I'll
just
leave
his
feedback
there.
I
guess.
O
O
O
O
E
E
College,
you've
got
traffic
heading
south,
and
I
mean,
in
both
cases
like
you've,
got.
E
Three
lanes
on
a
one-way
street
going
south,
so
you
know
I
I
question
I
mean
I
know
they're,
maybe.
E
From
a
light
they're
coming
up
to
speed,
but
I
mean
when
the
lights
are
green
you've
got
traffic.
E
Mr
allen
yeah,
certainly
council
member
the
thing
I'm
referencing.
There
are
also.
O
Arch
planters,
actually
on
both
parts
of
those
streets
in
the
direction
before
that
parking.
E
You,
but
also
barriers
that
would
simulate
the
the
end
cap
that
you
described
or
the
planter.
A
A
From
public
works
council
president
sandberg,
it
is
adam
weiss
and
I
I'd
be
happy
to
jump
in
here.
P
P
Cub
scout
meeting,
so
I'm
just
jumping
in
and
I
I
know
council
member
volun
and
I
spoke
earlier.
P
Emailed
earlier
about
this
exact
topic,
I
do
have
some
concerns.
You
know
there
are
things
we
can.
P
Discuss
here,
but
you
know
we
would
be
using
probably
30
or
40
of
the
jersey
barriers
of.
P
P
From
different
events
and
things,
but
you
know
it
would
just
take
up
a
large
percentage.
P
Program,
that's
pretty
much.
My
number
one
concern
you
know,
as
miss
cooper
smith
mentioned
earlier.
P
You
know
we
did
make
significant
investments
with
the
bollard
system,
and
so
that
is
the
preferred.
P
P
Or
to
leave
the
block
open,
if
I
may
follow
up,
madam
president,
yes,
if
you
could
and
then.
A
P
P
Barriers
or
barriers,
sorry,
jersey,
barriers,
yes,
okay
and
bollocks
and
barriers.
You
know
and.
E
E
That
many
new
barriers
for
the
sake
of
making
this
feasible.
So
our
last
quote,
we
had
gotten
last.
P
A
Mr
wayson,
and
on
to
additional
questions
from
council
in
the
second
round.
E
More
question
yeah.
I
would
like
to
ask
mr
wayson
what
was
the
investment
in
ballard's
like
how.
E
Much
did
that
cost,
at
least
maybe
on
that
one
block,
let
alone
throughout
kirkwood.
I
mean.
E
P
Plus
on
the
ballard
system
alone-
and
I
can
get
that-
I
can
get
that
project
break
down.
P
Before
I
don't
have
that
information
yeah,
the
the
ballpark
is
what
I
needed.
Thank
you.
D
K
Yes,
I
see
a
few
hands
already
going
up
if
there
are
any
other
interested
folks
that
would
like
to.
K
K
A
Hands
up
do
we
have
any
opinions
about
the
time
that
people
can
speak?
It's
three
minutes.
I
Q
Okay,
I
think
I'm
gonna
mute
it
now.
Okay,
usually
when
I
speak
to,
you
is
because
I'm.
Q
Speaking
on
behalf
of
a
client,
my
client
to
my
is
me:
no
one
else,
I'm
not
speaking.
Q
Off
parking,
when
I
contacted
in
october
of
21,
it
was
to
say
it's
time
for
it
to
end
this.
Is
this.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Doing
something,
but
I
have
a
great
deal
of
trouble
with
this
when
you
read
an
ordinance
I'd.
Q
Q
In
this
one,
I
see
in
the
third
recital
statement
about
to
make
it
available
for
enhanced
social.
Q
Q
Q
It
are
you
there's
nothing,
this
ordinance
that
ties
this.
You
can
do
street
seating
if.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
R
Super
appreciate
it,
the
businesses
and
the
customers
that
have
participated.
R
R
R
City
staff
to
set
up
and
tear
down
it
did
affect
some
deliveries
with
uber
drivers
and.
R
R
R
R
And
that
we'll
still
anticipate
there'll
be
some
issues
to
work
with
one-on-one
and
so.
R
We
appreciate
that
attention.
You
know
the
fourth
of
july
committee
wanted
me
to.
R
R
Still
looking
at
this
is
very
temporary
and
covid
related,
and
so
I
think
that's.
R
An
important
thing,
but
this
is
for
2022,
and
so
that's
that's
kind
of
what
we've
heard
that.
A
Welcome,
mr
cassidy,
you
have
up
to
five
minutes.
Thank
you
and
again
city
council
members.
S
Thank
you
for
your
attention
on
this,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
the
city
of
bloomington,
especially.
S
Continuation
of
the
the
kirkwood
street
closer
in
2022,
the
last
two
plus
years,
have
been
without.
S
Extremely
poor
staffing
challenges
and
also
the
burden
of
acting
as
an
arm
of
the
health.
S
Department
and
enforcing
coded
precautions
with
out
of
town
guests
that
are
that
are,
can
be.
S
Volatile
at
times,
so
you
know
we're
all
we're
all
very
tired,
but
the
light
that.
S
S
We
would
not
be
in
this
position
and
we
would
be
in
a
probably
in
a
position
of
closing.
S
S
National
restaurant
association
just
released
some
figures
that
that
stated
over
58
of
restaurants.
S
S
Talisha
mentioned
we
are
by
far
not
out
of
this
at
all
and
the
continuation
of
this
outdoor
dining.
S
Plan
isn't
much
needed.
I
don't
think
I
have
to
mention
that
restaurants
are
obviously
a
critical.
S
Part
of
any
community
and
we're
still
at
risk
of
losing
several
restaurants
because
of
the.
S
Is
is
a
direct
benefit
to
restaurants,
adding
vibrancy,
and
I
think
the
outdoor
dining
that.
S
We're
still
fielding
calls
every
day,
multiple
times
a
day
with
people
that
that
do
not
feel.
S
Even
help
to
provide
the
financial
loss
that
we
experience
over
cold
winter
months,
so
the
the.
S
The
the
businesses
and
the
guests,
I
would
like
to
comment
that
I
believe.
S
Flexible
they've
been
so
I
am
more
than
happy
and
I
believe
other
businesses
are.
S
More
than
happy
to
pay
that
fee,
but
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
others.
S
It
was
an
incredibly
popular
area
to
sit
primarily
because
of
of
the
safety
aspect.
I
mean.
S
Outdoor
dining
on
kirkwood,
and
I
I'm
strong
favor
of
this
continuum.
Thank
you
for
the
time.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
dov,
for
that
comment,
and
I
see
no
additional
comments
at
the
moment.
A
E
R
L
No
one's
paying
for
it
currently,
obviously,
of
course,
but
currently
I
believe
it's
nyx.
L
Village
deli
and
then
cafe,
pizzeria
had
been
participating
with
the
village
deli
and.
E
Okay,
I
mean
it
does
seem
to
me
like
there's
a
disparity
between
those
who
rent
parklets.
E
And
those
who
are
benefiting
from
the
bolordado
blocks
would
the
program
be
viable
if
those.
L
Be
able
to
get
in
there,
but
I
think
we
assume
that
a
couple
things
about
going
forward
if
this.
L
L
Enlist
more
participation,
so
I
think
there's
yeah
yeah.
So
but,
conversely,
if
the
conversion.
E
It's
that
the
the
lifeblood
of
many
retailers
on
kirkwood
is
assumes
the
presence
of.
E
With
bollards,
even
though
not
all
those
spaces
are
being
used
by
restaurateurs,
the.
E
Spaces
are
unavailable
so
if
we
were
to
be
more
surgical
and
use
jersey,
barriers
everywhere,.
E
And
not
block
off
any
streets,
even
if
it
we
could
use
jersey
barriers
to
block
off
a
lane.
E
L
L
Back
in
2020
is
what
amended
programs
together,
and
so
we
felt
like
this
legislation
needed
to.
L
Come
as
a
package
and
then
I
would
kind
of
punt
that
to
larry
to
say
you
know,
he's
the
one.
L
Who
can
answer
whether
we
should
or
can
consider
that
so
yeah
and
then
the
qualitative
question.
M
Yeah,
the
qualitative
question
is,
is
again
talking
about
barriers
and
and
single
lane
closure.
So
I.
O
To
do
what
councilmember
holland's
suggesting
obviously
need
an
amendment.
O
Just
using
parklets
or
using
part
of
a
lane,
which
raises
some
concerns
for
me
that.
O
O
O
O
Point
that
if
we
wanted
to
extend
a
similar
type
of
program
into
the
future
at
the
end
of
2022,.
P
And
I'll
just
concur
with
mr
allen
in
terms
of
you
know,
if
we
were
to
want
to
consider
that
I.
P
And
I'll
agree
with
mr
allen
there
you
know-
and
I
know
mr
bowling
you're
you're
bringing
up.
P
The
ideas
of
these
one-lane
closures
and
things-
and
I
think
we
really
need
to
look
at
that.
P
To
try
to
provide
the
spaces
you
know
and
with
the
way
that
kirkwood's
designed
you
know.
P
P
And
just
from
a
traffic
confusion
perspective,
I'm
not
you
know,
I'm
not
a
traffic
engineer
by.
P
E
P
P
P
More
traffic
confusion
there
downtown
you
know
if
we're
thinking
about
this
in
the
summer
months.
P
E
Think
you,
I
think,
you're
making
a
an
argument
for
returning
some
of
our
major
streets
back
to.
E
Two-Way
to
make
them
less
confusing,
but
that's
a
discussion
for
another
time.
Yes,
I
noticed
that.
E
Bob
costello
has
raised
his
hand.
He
didn't
get
a
chance
to
speak
during
public
comment.
E
T
Want
to
thank
you
for
addressing
this
really
important
topic
for
the
restaurants
on
kirkwood.
T
Jane
coopersmith
and
michael
and
adam
to
thrive
and
survive
during
what's
been
a
very
trying
time.
T
T
T
They
had
ever
had
while
the
street
was
closed
and
people
were
out
and
about
shopping
and
walking.
T
T
To
say
that
I
think
it's
extremely
important
that
we
continue
this
and
I'm
actually
an
advocate.
T
For
closing
kirkwood
completely
and
only
having
it,
having
only
having
pedestrian
traffic
allowed.
T
I
think
covet
is
here
to
stay,
we're
going
to
see
more
variants
in
the
future.
T
Urge
you
to
consider
strongly
accepting
the
amendment.
T
A
You
are,
and
you
need
your
unmute.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
in
one
of
the,
whereas
clauses.
H
That
public
health
emergency
has
ended
before
november
first,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
the.
H
Meetings
and
that
sort
of
thing
have
we
given
any
thought
to
that
from
the
city's
perspective
on.
L
Thanks
councilmember
sims.
I
think
this
would
be
a
good
question
for
larry
again.
L
I
keep
calling
on
him
for
support,
but
I
believe,
because
this
is
founded
on
that
some.
O
O
Sims
in
in
this
program
already
so
one
of
the
things
that
we've
highlighted
kind
of
talked
about.
O
Viability
of
the
staff
and
one
of
the
provisions
here
is
that
the
program
could
be
terminated.
O
O
Would
be
one
we,
we
actually
don't
know
yet
that
these
these
areas
would
be
fully
utilized,
because.
O
O
The
community
that
this
just
isn't
working
out
generally
because
it's
not
being
utilized
or.
O
O
In
all,
along
the
way
for
this
program,
hey,
thank
you
very
much.
I
do
have
one
more
quick
one.
H
Madam
chair,
you
would
allow
that
okay,
is
it
a
follow-up
to
this
to
this
ordinance?
Yes,.
H
Okay,
I'm
sorry
well
moving
on
is
this
is
section
6
and
having
to
do
with
intoxicating.
O
O
O
The
state
exercise
police
would
continue
to
monitor
that
alcohol
sales
and
usage
that
would.
O
H
A
D
Could
you
remind
me
is
what
is
the
does?
This
include
the
500
block
of
kirkwood
closures,.
D
They
well,
they
feel
negatively
impacted
what
about
just
beginning.
The
closure
at
the
400
block.
L
L
L
O
O
I
I
would
also
note
that
you
know
one
of
the
considerations
just
from
a
policy
perspective,
not.
I
A
A
Councilmember
rollo.
Thank
you
well
just
revisiting
mr
carmen's
comments.
D
I
don't
really
find
them
convincing.
I
think
that
overall,
this
has
been
a
very
good
program.
D
And,
of
course
it's
impacted,
the
pandemic
has
disproportionately
impacted.
D
Is
actually
the
point
of
the
program
if
you
feel
more
secure,
going
inside
and
being
in
closer.
D
It
doesn't
serve
everybody
optimally,
but
it's
as
council
member
scandalory
said
this
is
always.
D
D
Might
be
worthwhile,
I
think,
getting
a
better
handle
on
the
estimated
revenue
loss.
D
From
lost
meter
parking,
I
think,
is
a
a
good
thing
to
do.
I
think
that
that
number
is
probably.
D
But
I
think
keeping
downtown
viable
during
this
pandemic
is
in
the
public
interest
and
I.
D
I
appreciate
esd
department
and
in
working
on
this
and
making
it
a
successful
program
so.
G
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
esb
super
smith
and
also
mr
wayson
for.
G
G
G
Some
bullet
points
for
me
from
the
discussion.
I
think
this
is
you
know
fairly
popular
among.
G
G
At
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
so
I
like
it
for
those
reasons,
I
think
it
is
a
good
compromise.
G
G
The
pedestrians
and
people
out
there
that
might
not
just
just
might
not
be
aware
of
those
bollards.
G
G
G
Appreciate
mr
costello's
comment
tonight:
just
you
know
really
feeling
it's
imperative
for
some.
G
And
encouraging
people
to
eat
eat
together.
However,
that
may
work
and
for
a
lot
of
those
right
now.
G
E
E
E
Coming
from
a
far
by
motor
vehicle
and
we've
we've
seen
over
the
lifetime
of
the
meters,
that.
E
That
people
are
grateful
for
the
ability
to
access,
buy
automobile
and
they're
willing
to
pay
for.
E
Invest
in
the
very
bollard
installations
or
jersey
barriers
that
people
want.
Okay,.
E
Resulted
in
250
a
month,
that's
the
demand
per
meter.
Councilman
flaherty
is
right.
E
E
E
Festival
a
day
or
a
weekend
at
a
time,
I
don't
think
we
ever
really
thought
about
using
them.
E
Before
the
pandemic,
I
fervently
believe
that
a
street
close
to
cars
is
a
good
thing.
I
agree
with.
E
An
hour
and
planters
and
end
caps
can
be
simulated
with
temporary
barriers
or
otherwise.
How
do
we.
E
E
An
additional
investment
of
ten
thousand
dollars
to
buy
enough
jersey
barriers
to,
for
example,.
E
E
Torn
on
this,
because
I
absolutely
support
the
program
I
want
to
support
it.
I
want
to
continue.
E
To
support
it,
but
I
I
think
that
it's
important
to
hear
the
the
naysayers
too
they're
they're,
not.
E
E
J
J
Kirkwood
merchants
association
also
with
dbi,
was
there
with
miss
copic
and
mr
hayes.
J
And
listened
to
a
really
good
discussion
on
closing
kirkwood
and
it
was
overwhelmingly.
J
Supported
by
by
the
all
the
folks,
you
know
that,
were
there
and
and
spoke
out.
J
And
it
made
me
feel
real
good
that
you
know
we
helped
to
play
a
part
in
it.
J
It's
it's
really
important
that
we
do
everything
we
can
to
help
all
the
businesses
and.
J
And
restaurateurs,
so
I'm
gonna
be
supporting
it,
and
I
think
that
it's
a
really
good
discussion.
J
To
have
that,
maybe
we
need
to
make
it
a
pedestrian
mall
down
down
the
road.
So,
thanks
to
all
the.
J
City
staff
and
ms
cooper
smith
for
and
mr
allen,
for
you
know,
entertaining
all
our
questions.
M
This
session
with
my
colleagues,
members
of
the
public,
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
push
back
on
a.
M
Few
arguments
of
my
colleague
councilmember
roland,
the
first
of
which
is
that
I
think.
M
There
is
a
very
substantial
difference,
in
my
view,
between
sitting
in
outdoor
seating
at.
M
Versus
sitting
at
uptown
or
farm
outdoors,
it's
just
a
wildly
different
experience.
I've
done
both.
M
It
it
sort
of
assumes
that
the
the
only
benefit
being
obtained
through
through
these
closures
is.
M
Directly
to
the
restaurant,
as
opposed
to
all
of
the
general
public,
by
creating
more
vibrant.
M
Everyone,
retailers
included
and,
of
course,
they're
very
successful
there,
there's
sort
of
an
adage.
M
In
planning
circles
about
the
slower,
a
wallet
moves
by
your
store,
the
more
likely
it
is
to
open.
M
Active
in
this
space
is
helpful
for
everyone.
It
helps
us
to
reimagine
and
more
equitably.
M
You
know
that
we
don't
have
trials
and
controls
in
real
life
and
that
you
know
we're
in.
A
E
A
a
chance
to
rebut
if
I
had
an
opportunity
all
right,
I
just
want
to
say
briefly.
E
E
E
E
Were
there
both
of
them
implemented
pedestrian
malls
and
it
took
a
decade.
E
The
impa,
how
hard
it
is
to
do
that
I
mean
the
pandemic-
has
definitely
shown
us
a
third
way.
It's.
E
At
all,
no
one
would
have
ever
agreed
to
close
kirkwood
so
that
restaurants
could
sprawl
out
on.
E
A
F
A
D
C
E
B
Okay,
ordinance
2202
amending
ordinance
2137,
which
fixed
the
salaries
of
appointed
officers.
B
B
B
B
A
A
For
getting
ahead,
I
was
introducing
miss
carolyn
shaw,
who
I
believe
is
here
to
present.
U
Good
evening,
council
members
happy
new
year
good
to
see
you
all
and
thank
you
for
having.
U
U
U
B
K
Indicate
your
desire
to
do
so
by
clicking
the
raise
hand,
but
button
you
can
hopefully
find.
K
I
Yes,
just
to
say
that
I'm
very
happy
to
see
the
program
manager
position
for
the
sustainability.
F
B
A
F
B
U
Not
only
covet
19
premium
pay
for
not
only
the
coveted
payments
for
the
officers,
but
also.
A
H
E
F
B
C
A
That's
2202
2202,
I'm
sorry,
the
introduced
in
red,
the
clerk
by
title
and
synopsis.
Only
second.
H
B
B
D
Necessary
for
me
to
to
make
a
motion
to
adopt
since
where
this
is
a
continuous
of
a
postponed.
K
Before,
finally,
postponing
consideration
of
those
items
until
tonight's
meeting,
you
can
simply.
K
D
Thank
you,
madam
president,
this
is
our
continuance
of
resolution
2202
and
we
were.
D
On
discussion
council
discussion
of
amendment
one,
shall
we
continue
that
who
would
like
to
begin.
I
Yes,
may
I
request
the
sponsor
summarize
the
amendment
again
to
refresh
everybody's
memory.
M
Yes,
I'd
be
happy
to
do
so
I'll.
Keep
this
brief
amendment
one
seeks
to
remove
the.
M
M
In
continued
existence,
along
with
the
few
other
standing
committees,
that
would
remain.
M
Yeah,
I
think
that's
it.
There's
rationale
for
it,
of
course,
which
we
discussed
last
week.
M
D
We
were
on
discussion,
but
I'll
allow
questions.
If
you
have
further
questions.
D
Do
you
have
a
question
I
mean
I
did
generally
have
a
question
about
the
the
sponsor's
response
to.
D
Among
the
three
council
member
council,
president
sandberg,
I
will
begin
amendment
three
is
going.
E
Just
for
the
record,
not
every
sponsor
needs
to
respond
to
every
question,
but
I'm
happy
to.
E
A
When
the
need
arises,
and
so
that
would
be
my
way
of
of
suggesting
that
that
be
addressed.
N
N
D
Council
member
flaherty,
would
it
be
an
order,
as
the
amendment
sponsor
to.
M
E
Very
good,
thanks
specifically
with
regard
to
the
administration
committee
and
and
whether
or.
M
Not
it
would
make
sense
as
a
standing
committee
or
a
special
committee
clarifying
I,
I
guess.
M
The
response
from
council
members
gambler
in
particular
that
the
special
ad
hoc
committee.
M
Could
be
formed
in
response
to
a
need,
really
kind
of
demonstrates
what
I
think
the
problem.
M
M
And
you
know
last
week
it
emerged
that
ordinance
1305
passed
in
2013
that
I
would
call.
M
Was
passed
that
changed
robert's
rules
of
order
such
that
a
motion
to
introduce
functions
as
a.
M
M
M
Somebody
could
just
bring
bring
an
ordinance
to
do
it.
Maybe
I
will,
but
my
capacity
is
limited.
M
M
M
Because
it's
too
much
for
all
of
us
to
take
on
all
together
all
the
time.
So
I
just
wanted
to.
M
M
Out
and
and
looking
for
how
to
improve
this,
this
area,
in
my
view,
so
that's
all
thanks.
D
Council,
member
volun,
I
have
one
more
question.
This
is
to
councilmember
sandberg
the
you.
E
Commission
representative,
to
serve
in
the
land
use
committee
by
that
experience
or
lack
thereof,
do.
E
A
A
Is
a
very
time
consuming
function
and
if,
as
long
as
we
had
a
land
use
committee,
which
was.
A
With
respect
to
interpreting,
you
know
the
udo,
I
I
don't
know
that
that's
relevant.
A
With
respect
to
the
committee,
the
whole,
which
I
have
always
felt
is
a
is
a
very
adequate
tool.
D
Please
one
of
the
I
had
a
I
had
precisely
this
conversation
several
times.
N
E
Altogether,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
the
what
the
point
is
here,
if
you
don't
see
the
value
in
it,.
D
Okay
council
comments:
amendment
one
council,
member
flaherty;
yes,
thank
you.
M
I'll
be
supporting
this
amendment
as
sponsor.
Of
course,
I
ask
that
my
colleagues
do
the
same.
M
M
M
Handling
clan
unit
developments
in
in
some
contexts
whether
or
not
we'll
see
many
more
of.
M
M
M
That,
where
that
legislation
goes
so
if
we
have
five
folks
here,
who
prefer
not
to
use
land
use.
M
Committee
ever
then
we
won't,
but
again
I
think
there
was
a
justification
for
its
creation
in.
M
Recent
history,
that
that
suggests,
we
would
be
well
served
to
at
least
consider
it
as
an
option.
M
M
D
Thank
you,
councilmember
flaherty,
councilmember,
piedmont,
smith,.
I
I
I
Focused
on
onboarding
of
new
council
members
and
that
work
was
never
done,
so
I
think
that.
I
I
I
Committee
has,
you
know
been
pretty
much
a
game
plan
that
is
laid
out
by
our
adopted.
I
Committee,
an
ongoing
focus
on
climate
action
and
resilience
and
for
the
land
use
committee.
I
But
I
think
that
land
use
issues
are
often
very
complex
and
it
helps
to
have
some
members
of.
G
Thank
you.
I
will
be
supporting
this
amendment
mostly
because,
first
and
in
general
I
don't
see.
G
Don't
think
we
use
standing
committees
at
all,
and
so
that's
the
possibility
here-
and
I
know
this.
G
Easily
not
use
and
that
doesn't
hurt
anyone
or
anything
just
by
existing.
So
for
me,
the
idea
of.
G
G
G
In
the
in
the
committee
of
the
whole
box,
so
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
keep
these
just
in.
G
G
G
Already
pre-existing
so
many
puds,
sometimes
we
met
twice.
Sometimes
we
met
for
three
hours.
G
G
Both
everything
so
like
the
idea
that
it
wasn't
useful
or
that
could
easily
be
done
at.
G
G
Get
rid
of
something
that
we
never
have
to
use
and
that's
why
I
think
you
can
say
dislike.
G
Them,
but
I
think
it
is
more
extreme
than
that
for
some
folks,
I
guess
by
I
mean
I
kind
of.
G
G
G
G
I
think
could
do
a
lot
of
good
discuss
discussing
and
like
just
a
lot
of
good
proactive
work.
G
G
To
the
five
of
just
like
an
idea
of
compromise
here,
to
keep
some
of
these,
and
I
know
amendment.
D
D
E
E
We've
needed
to
review
boards
and
commissions
for
a
long
time.
Title
two
is
about
more
than
just.
E
Rules
all
that
calls
for
an
administration
committee,
every
second-class
city
in
the.
E
We
should
they
should
be
more
like
bloomington.
If,
if
that
were
true,
then
maybe
the
htc
wouldn't.
E
D
Okay,
I'll
just
say
my
piece,
which
is
I
I'm
in
partial
agreement
with
you,
councilmember.
D
Volund,
I
I
think
that
there
is
a
need
for
a
climate
action
and
resilience
standing
committee.
D
I
think
it's
important
to
hear
from
all
council
members
from
the
initial
stages
of
the
land.
D
To
hear
from
everyone,
so
I
don't.
I
can't
support
amendment
one
and
I
will,
for
those
reasons.
D
D
Committee,
the
whole
generally
works
better.
So
is
there
any
other
comment
before
we
call
a
vote.
D
Councilman
vaughan
yeah.
I
would
say
that
you
know
the
the
statement
that.
E
E
If,
if
there
was
a
concern
that
the
the
four
members
of
us
who
served
on
land
use
were.
E
E
E
E
Everything
was
referred
to
committee
of
the
whole,
so
you
know
and
we're
not
even
talking
now.
E
E
E
Everything,
but
though
you
know
by
when
the
the
council
creates
identifies
point
people.
E
Nine
members:
well,
we
may
have
time
for
that
in
committee
the
whole,
but
the
public
doesn't.
D
J
Just
wanted
to
just
for,
as
as
an
example
when
I
first
joined
the
council,
I
I
did
go
to.
J
In
in
general,
what
has
happened
in
my
mind
with
the
different
standing
committees
is.
J
J
Take
effect,
so
I
anyway
that's
all
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you,
councilmember
smith.
It
looks.
M
Just
to
speak
to
the
idea
of
bridging
gaps
and
differences
in
preferences,
I
think
it
is
important.
D
E
You
know
when
members
don't
speak
in
the
first
round
I
mean
no
member
should
go
unrebutted.
E
E
Sorry,
I'm
belaboring
this
and
now
I've
lost
my
point,
never
mind.
Thank
you.
I
Yes,
thank
you
and
I
appreciate
hearing.
I
Council
members
perspectives
on
this,
although
I
I
do
not
understand
council
councilmember
smith's.
I
Redundant
instead
of
four,
I
that
that
holds
my
water
with
me,
the
standing
committees.
He
also.
I
I
You
know
so-called
factions,
and
sometimes
we
aren't
those
ideological
differences
are.
D
Hand
up
yeah,
I
remember
my
point
at
the
beginning
of
2020,
every
member.
E
So
apparently,
if
there's
a
belief
that
somehow
one
faction
captured
the
lannies
committee.
E
E
Enough
time
it
wasn't,
then
everybody
else
got
their
first
choice.
Their
second
choice,
the.
E
Third
choice,
so
I
don't
know
what
happened
or
how
that
could
really
be.
You
know
an
indication
of.
E
A
lack
of
collegiality
among
members
or
a
lack
of
intellectual
diversity
committees.
D
Seeing
no
one,
then
I'll
conclude
that
well
conclude
that
this
concludes.