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A
D
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E
We
recognize
that
the
city
of
Bloomington
sits
on
native
land,
the
city
as
well
as
City
administrative
buildings
are
on
the
traditional
homelands
of
the
Miami
Delaware
and
pottawatomi
and
Shawnee
people,
and
we
acknowledge
they
are
past
present
and
future
caretakers
of
this
land.
We
also
acknowledge
that
much
of
the
economic
progress
and
development
in
Indiana
and
specifically
Bloomington
resulted
from
the
unpaid,
labor
and
forced
servitude
of
people
of
color,
specifically
enslaved,
African
labor.
E
A
Continue
with
our
agenda
summation,
we
have
four
sets
of
minutes
to
approve
this
evening.
From
a
special
session
on
October
12,
2022,
regular
sessions
on
October,
19th,
20th
and
November,
2nd
of
2022.,
we'll
then
move
into
reports.
We
will
take
up
first
reports
from
Council
Members,
then
reports
from
the
mayor
and
city
offices.
There
are
two
there.
One
is
compost
up:
downtown
the
bead
restaurant,
just
the
bead
restaurant
composting
incentive
program
report
and
then
a
report
from
the
community
advisory
and
Public
Safety
Commission.
A
We'll
then
take
up
appointments
to
boards
and
commissions
I
believe
we
have
several
of
those
this
evening,
we'll
then
move
into
legislation
for
second
readings
and
resolutions
included.
There
is
ordinance
2314
to
amend
title
VI
of
the
Bloomington
Municipal
Code,
entitled
health
and
sanitation
regarding
updating
and
increasing
fees
for
service
and
harmonizing
chapters.
Four
and
five
of
title
VI
for
the
Bloomington
municipal
code.
A
A
Thank
you.
We
have
no
one
participating
virtually
so
tonight
can
be
a
Eisen
all
those
in
favor
indicate
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Thank
you.
Those
minutes
are
approved.
Let's
now
move
into
reports,
beginning
with
reports
from
Council
Members
I'll
start
on
my
far
right
with
council
member
Flaherty.
No.
H
Thank
you
very
much
briefly.
If
I
may,
it
has
been
announced
and
I'd
really
like
to
offer
our
congratulations
to
our
safe
and
civil
City
director
chatoya
Moss.
H
It
was
announced
today
that
chatoya
is
one
of
the
first
cohorts
of
a
hundred
emerging
change
makers
selected
to
participate
in
the
Obama
Foundation
leaders,
USA
program,
there's
a
big
long
list
and
I
hope
everyone
got
it
and
was
able
to
read
it.
One
thing
about
chatoya
is
that
she
does
a
lot
through
the
community
and
family
resources
department,
she's,
a
liaison
with
the
commission
on
the
status
of
black
males,
and
if
many
of
you
didn't
know,
this
was
our
annual
day,
where
we
welcome
all
the
kids
to
Fairview
school.
H
It
was
probably
60
of
us
out
there
today
or
something
like
that.
So
very,
very
good.
Turnout,
she's
also
over
I
believe
the
commission
of
women
as
well
as
she's,
a
member
of
I,
want
to
say
my
own
fraternity,
but
Delta
Sigma,
Theta
sorority,
where
she
has
done
many
things
to
work
with
the
youth
in
mentoring,
tutoring
that
sort
of
thing.
So
it
is
very
competitive
to
get
into
this
Obama
Foundation,
Roundtable
and
I.
Just
really
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
and
say
congratulations
shatoya
make
us
proud.
H
E
Fiscal
advisory
committee
of
the
County
Council
and
we
have
been
meeting
there-
have
been
three
meetings
so
far,
we're
going
through
the
intercepts,
which
is
one
way
of
looking
at
involvement
with
the
criminal
justice
system,
from
prevention
all
the
way
to
re-entry
after
somebody
has
been
in
the
system
and
then
Community
Corrections,
which
is
you
know,
parole
and
ongoing
monitoring.
That
sometimes
happens.
E
So
we
had
a
meeting
this
week
about
intercept
zero,
which
is
the
prevention
aspect
and
there's
a
broad
agreement,
I
think
about
the
importance
of
prevention
and
focusing
funds
there
and
just
for
everybody's
information.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
on
August
7th
at
4
30
PM.
In
the
now
you
Hill
room
in
the
courthouse,
so
I've
everybody's
always
welcome
to
come
and
observe
what
we
do
and,
of
course,
if,
if
there
are
any
specific
feedback,
the
actual
voting
members
of
that
committee
are
County,
counselors,
Peter,
Iverson,
Jennifer,
Crossley
and
Kate
Wills.
I
Yeah,
it's
a
small
thing.
I
had
an
opportunity
today
to
visit
the
public
library
and
in
it
the
place
where
cats,
which
has
been
televising
our
meetings
since
for
longer
than
almost
any
city
in
the
world
since
1974
and
because
I
knew
that
that
date
was
when
cat
started.
I
had
always
wanted
to
see
a
council
meeting
from
that
time
and
the
tapes
have
not,
of
course,
been
digitized.
So
I
went
today
to
inquire
about
seeing
something
like
that.
I
It's
also
a
tragic
fact
that
in
the
70s
videotape
was
not
something
to
be
thought
of
as
archived,
and
so
they
would
tend
to
tape
over
tapes
that
they
had
just
made
or
recently
made
of
a
meeting.
So
I'm
not
really
sure
what
the
objective
was
at
the
time
to
televise
the
meeting,
but
I
did
discover
that
the
earliest
tape
in
cats
is
possession
dates
to
1985
and
it
was
helpfully
marked
as
a
discussion
about
the
Redevelopment
of
the
south
side
of
the
square.
I
So
those
of
you
who
are
familiar
with
Fountain
Square
South
side
of
the
square,
that
tape
is
now
being
digitized
for
at
least
me
to
enjoy
and
I
hope.
Other
people
will
be
interested
in
seeing
that
sort
of
thing
as
well,
but
it
took
somebody
going
and
asking
hey.
Could
you
digitize
a
tape
for
somebody
to
do
it
so
for
what
it's
worth?
I
We
do
have
a
legacy
of
City
Council
meetings,
going
back
to
1985
that
we
can
actually
watch
and
I
for
one
am
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
conditions
were
like
back
then,
and
just
to
give
you
all
a
heads
up
and
there's
a
certain
couple
of
people
in
the
room
who
know
that
the
building
we
used
to
be
in
before
this
yeah
ravishing
place
was
the
building
that
is
now
the
police
headquarters.
And
it's
much
smaller
and
less
charismatic
and
I'm
going
to
have
a
new
insight
to
what
the
police
headquarters
is
like.
A
You
and
I'll
finish
up
for
my
report:
I'd
like
to
extend
an
invitation,
August
INE.
That's
this
Saturday
August
5th
at
1,
30
PM
via
Zoom
those
it
will
focus
on
many
issues
in
District
Two,
but
certainly
anyone
from
across
the
city
is
welcome
to
attend
just
Point
your
browser
to
sue
for
citycouncil.com
and
click
on
the
button
that
says,
join
and
that'll.
Take
you
into
the
meeting.
So
with
that,
let's
move
on
to
reports
from
the
mayor
and
city
offices.
We
have
our
first
report
from
compost
up
downtown.
J
Hi
I'm
Sean
Mia
I'm,
the
assistant
director
of
sustainability
for
the
economic
and
sustainable
development
department.
This
is
my
first
time
being
at
a
city
council
meeting,
so
it's
nice
to
meet
some
of
you
for
the
first
time
I'm
here
to
introduce
earthkeepers.
We
have
Andrea
and
Ryan
Conway,
who
are
the
owners?
Who
are
the
owners
of
earthkeepers
they're
here
to
talk
about
reducing
restaurant
food,
waste
business
case
minus
operations
and
education?
K
K
And
and
we're
the
owners
and
operators
of
earthkeepers
compost,
which
is
currently
in
transition
to
earthkeepers
consultancy
and
then
also
native
plant
restoration.
Also,
thank
you.
You
know,
as
a
member
of
the
Shawnee
Tribe
I
really
appreciate,
hearing
the
land
acknowledgment
and
that's
something
that
I
had
not
heard
here
before.
So
I
really
appreciate
hearing
that
too
so
again
we're
the
Earth,
Keepers
and
actually
we're
here,
just
reporting
back
on
the
compost
up
downtown
program
that
we
did
in
collaboration
and
funded
by
the
ESD
Department
last
year.
K
As
you
all
remember
some
of
the
background.
During
the
covid
days,
the
restaurant
sector
was
among
the
hardest
hit
of
all
in
terms
of
the
down
regulation
of
their
clientele
through
closures
or
occupancy
restrictions.
Disruption
in
the
labor
pool,
Logistics
were
crazy
and
so
Supply
chains
were
nuts.
In
terms
of
you
know,
prices
being
elevated
and
so
in
November
2021
we
were
contacted
by
Lauren
Clemens
in
ESD
to
talk
about
how
earthkeepers
might
be
part
of
programming
that
could
be
helpful
for
stimulating
Vitality
in
the
downtown,
while
also
meeting
environmental
and
sustainability
objectives.
K
You
know,
especially
like
one
of
our
local
restaurants,
so
if
we
could
help
them
reduce
their
waste
and
they
were
one
of
the
biggest
generators
of
that
waste
in
the
county.
If
we
could
help
them
reduce
that
waste,
then
they
might
be
able
to
save
on
their
bottom
line,
and
this
might
help
stimulate
the
market
for
commercial
composting
in
the
downtown.
Our
intuitions
were
supported
by
research.
Refed
is
a
national
food,
waste
consultancy
group
and
they
have
a
dashboard
that
projects
the
economic
losses
from
food
waste
in
a
given
territory.
K
In
this
case,
in
Indiana,
and
so
Food
Service
in
itself,
you
know
was
losing.
Could
it
was
losing
like
about
53.1
million
dollars
a
year?
In
absence
of
food,
waste
tracking
and
those
costs
could
be
recovered
financially
by
small
businesses.
If
those
restaurants
monitored
their
procurements
and
their
labor
around
food
waste,
they
could
save
between
two
and
six
percent
actually
on
their
procurement
costs
just
by
tracking
their
food
waste.
And
it's
important
to
note
that
tracking
is
not
hauling.
Tracking
and
Hauling
are
separate.
Diverting
waste
and
reducing
waste
are
different
things.
K
Reducing
waste
is
an
upstream
solution
that
kind
of
cancels
out
all
of
the
calories
and
all
of
the
energy
that
go
into
Trucking
food
waste
around
turning
it
into
compost
or
biodigestate.
So
the
real
savings
for
businesses,
the
real
savings
for
households
and
the
real
savings
for
the
environment
come
from
the
Upstream
Solutions
of
reducing
the
waste.
So
a
big
part
of
our
work
was
to
bring
consultancy
to
these
restaurants.
K
There's
plenty
of
research
out
there
on
food
waste
and
lost,
and
the
like
labor
loss
that
goes
into
handling
food
waste,
and
it
just
needs
to
be
and
needed
to
be
just
kind
of
combined
and
applied,
and
that
was
the
bulk
of
our
work.
We
surveyed.
You
know
research
from
across
the
country
and
across
the
world.
Even
recent
un
Studies
have
shown
that
there's
a
you
know,
seven
to
one
Roi
for
investing
in
in
food
food,
waste
prevention.
K
So
we
really
had
to
emphasize
other
benefits
to
these
restaurants
that
were
Financial
in
nature
or
driving
towards
their
aspirations
and
goals
in
terms
of
sustainability,
one
of
those
being
that
project
drawdown
and
Consortium
of
scientists
from
across
the
world
that
operates
a
dashboard
that
ranks
the
effectiveness
of
different
measures
that
Human
Society
can
take
to
fight
climate
change.
Now,
be
they
individuals,
governments
or
private
organizations,
and
they
consistently
list
reducing
food
wastes
like
the
number
one
most
impactful
thing
that
any
organization
can
do
to
help
fight
climate
change.
K
K
Nobody
in
restaurants
and
I've
worked
in
plenty
of
restaurants
likes
to
take
out
the
garbage
at
the
end
of
the
day,
because
the
bags
are
super
heavy
they're
like
50
gallons
and
it's
mixed
waste.
So
if
you
have
like
a
plastic
knife
in
there
that
like
cuts
the
bag
and
then
you
have
like
food
waste
juice,
getting
on
the
ground,
you
slip,
you
can
get
hurt,
and
this
is
reflected
in
Bureau
of
Labor
Statistics
statistics
about
this
is
this
data?
K
There
wasn't
much
data
on
small
restaurants,
but
there
was
data
on
fast
food,
restaurants,
and
so
I
mean
this
ends
up
posing
large
liabilities
for
companies,
but
also
personal
liabilities
for
workers.
So
you
know
this
was
this
was
a
benefit
of
of
the
program
that
we
were
also
sharing
with
these
small
restaurants
at
the
time.
Of
course,
we
all
know
that
the
labor
pool
was
very
highly
mobile
and
so
companies
that
stood
out
for
having
sustainability
programming,
IBM
surveys
showed
were
more
attractive
to
people
Mobile
in
the
labor
pool.
K
K
Our
information
session
launched
was
March
7th
and
we
set
up
a
cohort
structure
so
that
we
thought
that
to
get
these
16
restaurants
participating,
we
would
do
cohorts
of
four
and
just
do
it
in
quarters
across
the
year,
but
we
ran
into
a
number
of
challenges
in
terms
of
recruiting
companies
right
off
the
bat
and
then,
after
you
know,
the
geopolitical
conflict
between
Russia
and
Ukraine
escalating
and
the
interest
rate
inflation
Nexus
continued.
K
We
actually
accelerated
our
recruitment
process
because
we
didn't
want
to
go
into
the
winter
without
having
the
program
completed
and
unlocked,
because
if
there
was
some
type
of
economic
disruption
well
then
we
might
not
be
able
to
complete
the
program
if
the
restaurants
were
suffering
due
to
either
an
increased
inflation
or
lower
client
demand
so
part
of
the
program.
This
is
just
basically
what
we
offered
in
the
physical
part
of
the
program.
K
You
know
beyond
the
consultancy
with
administrators
and
owners
and
Beyond
the
training
we
did
with
staff,
we
did
weekly
collections,
they
got
small
little
pails
and
buckets
to
work
in
back
of
kitchen
that
their
prep
stations
and
stuff
that
they
would
then
take
outside
and
aggregate
into
a
rolling
trash
bin.
We
provided
waste
audits.
This
was
actually
one
of
the
most
scientific
and
one
of
the
most
fundamental
parts
of
the
study.
There's
a
waste
audit.
K
What
this
is
in
principle
is
that
you
take
that
roller
that
you
collected
and
you
dump
it
out,
and
you
use
rakes
and
hose
to
separate
categories
of
things,
and
this
does
two
things
one.
It
identifies
the
types
and
frequency
of
contamination
that
comes
into
the
food
waste
from
the
restaurants,
gloves,
hair
nets,
forks
knives,
onion
bags,
all
sorts
of
things,
but
it
also
shows
the
restaurant
specifically
where
they
can
adjust
their
procurement
policy
to
buy
less
of
things
that
they're
consistently
wasting.
K
So
this
is
all
building
towards
the
economic
case
that
if
you
reduce
your
waste
from
the
beginning,
then
maybe
you
won't
have
to
have
us
hauling
so
much
at
the
end.
So
again
the
the
savings
from
reduction
being
really
key
there
and
we
offered
them
a
number
of
other
programs
in
terms
of
just
supporting
them,
but
that
there's
more
on
that
in
the
in
the
report.
K
We
also
got
a
tremendous
amount
of
support
from
DBI
bedc
in
the
chamber.
I
mean
DBI,
also
especially,
hands
hands
down
because
they're
so
networked
with
the
businesses
in
the
downtown.
They
were
great
at
helping
us
get
the
program
messaging
out
and
attracting
clients
into
the
program.
They
themselves
actually
were
in
the
first
cohort
of
the
program,
so
we're
especially
grateful
to
them,
and
so
this
is
just
going
to
be
a
quick
visual
tour
of
what
some
of
this
work
looked
like
for
us.
K
So
we
had
to
do
the
Consulting,
where
we
actually
present
the
econometric
information
and
the
survey
information
to
the
owners
and
principal
managers
of
these
restaurants
to
get
them
to
understand
the
business
case.
Then
we
have
to
train
the
kitchen
staff
and
invite
them
into
the
story
in
terms
of
what
that
does
for
their
their
restaurant
and
what
that
does
for
their
team,
what
it
does
for
the
Earth
and
how
to
do
it
properly.
K
We
also
had
to
you
know
advertise,
so
we
got
pretty
some
days
and
we
went
to
you
know
big
fancy
meetings,
so
that
was
a
little
bit
of
fun,
but
we
also
did
the
hard
work
of
the
hauling.
You
can
see
Andrea
right
there,
you
know
at
our
facility,
you
know
dumping
out.
It
looks
like
that
some
things
from
Buffalo,
Louise
and
yeah,
but
me
and
mostly
buffaloes.
K
This
is
part
of
the
way
starting.
This
is
just
separating
it
into
categories.
You
can
see
also
that
you
know,
as
as
sad
as
it
can
be.
Food
waste
can
also
be
very
beautiful,
so
we've
got
some
really
lovely
pics.
There
contamination,
the
scourge
of
All
Recycling,
the
scourge
of
all
Waste
Management
Systems
this.
K
This
is
the
stuff
that
we
have
to
be
careful
about,
that
we
don't
let
break
any
of
our
food
waste
processing
systems
and
that
we
have
to
be
and
increase
our
education
and
consultancy
around
more
auditing,
and
it
looks
like
yeah
that
was
a
big
buffalo
Louise
day
they
were
actually
our
biggest
best
customer.
That
was
really
they
were
really
great
and
committed
and
really
wild
about
it.
K
Making
compost
and
it
starts
very
small
and
it
ends
very
big.
We
got
that
track,
loader,
actually
in
partnership
with
idem,
through
a
grant
that
they
gave
us
for
our
past
years
of
program
development
service
and
with
some
of
the
food
ways
we
fed
our
animals.
You
know
we
had
a
flock
of
chickens
in
this
giant
Royal
Palm
Turkey,
that
was
kind
of
like
the
guard
of
the
flock
we
fed
people
with
the
eggs
that
those
chickens
made.
K
This
is
us
at
the
at
the
farmer's
market
in
2019
and
we'd
like
to
deliver
to
schools,
non-profits
and
farms,
and
this
is
our
team.
It
wasn't
just
the
two
of
us:
it
was
it
got.
It
got
a
little
out
of
hand
there
for
a
little
while,
but
they're
all
amazing,
lovely
wonderful
people
that
put
great
work
into
this
community
to
to
see
this
Mission
through
and
we're
grateful
to
all
of
them.
So
this
is
the
basic
of
the
results.
I'm
not
gonna
scratch
your
eyes
by
making
you
have
to
comb
through
that.
K
K
You
know
we
were
able
to
educate
these
Proprietors
about
how
they
can
save
money
and
do
a
good
thing
for
the
environment
and
help
their
staff
and
attract
clients
by
reducing
their
food
waste
and
and
entertaining
our
consulting
services
and
research
through
working
with
DBI
and
bddc
in
the
Chamber
of
Commerce.
We
helped
Elevate
the
economic
development
case
for
this.
This
is
sector
level
loss.
So
if
we
can
address
sector
level
losses,
we
can
actually,
you
know,
boost
attraction
to
the
downtown.
K
People
will
see
it
as
a
vibrant
place
to
do
business
and
if
they
get
the
help,
they
need
to
help
trim
costs
and
especially
in
this
kind
of
a
way.
This
is
right.
Here
is
an
example
of
consolidating
the
research
in
an
actionable
way,
and
not
just
you
know,
in
a
opaque
consultancy
report,
but
this
is
tailored
tactical
knowledge
deployed
to
get
the
mission
done
and
often
updated
in
the
course
of
completing
the
mission
to
see
it
through.
K
We
also,
we
also
as
Tom
mcglassen.
Here
knows
we
were
able
to
help
start
some
recycling
Partnerships
between
the
Solid,
Waste,
Management
District
and
some
of
our
clients,
because
a
lot
of
the
restaurants
in
the
downtown
they
don't,
recycle
and
and
there's
Market
barriers
to
this
and
there's
operational
barriers
to
this.
So
bringing
in
composting
was
just
like
next
level.
So
it's
like.
K
Okay,
let's
also
get
you
in
touch
with
the
solid
waste
District,
which
has
a
program,
a
discounted
recycling
program,
the
green
business
Network
that
several
of
these
places
signed
up
for
so
we
were
really
happy
about
that
in
terms
of
helping
them
save
money
on
their
Recycling
and
diverting
more
waste.
K
Sorry,
oh,
and
also,
of
course,
the
the
labor
pool
and
food
service
can
be
highly
mobile,
so
when
you're
training
and
instilling
Concepts
in
folks
that
are
working
in
one
kitchen
or
restaurant,
they
may
move
on
to
another
one
and
they'll
bring
those
operational
protocols
and
that
learning
and
education
that
incentive
to
their
next
restaurant
work
or
if
they
become
management,
they'll
bring
those
ideals
and
those
ideas
and
those
practices
up
with
them.
So
just
the
educational
component
across
the
different
segments
of
the
labor
pool
were
important.
K
Of
course,
we
also
face
some
challenges:
I
mean
the
covid
era.
Food
Service
economy
was
devastated.
Right
I
mean
that
was
that
first
picture
from
the
HT
that
we
showed
I
mean
it
was
it
was.
It
was
hard
for
a
lot
of
folks
to
be
aspirational
when
they
were
trying
to
survive
month
to
month,
and
indeed
not
all
of
our
local
restaurants
necessarily
made
it
through
that
hump.
K
Some
of
them
made
it
in
a
way,
in
the
sense
that
they
were
acquired
by
Hospitality
groups,
marketing
groups
to
to
survive
as
restaurants
in
the
downtown,
but
the
removal
of
local
ownership
can
change.
Some
of
the
perspectives
of
operations
and
some
of
the
incentives
around
promoting
local
values.
K
So
it
was
a
strange
thing
to
us
that
a
lot
of
the
the
the
the
largest
Hospitality
groups
with
many
restaurants
in
the
downtown
did
not
entertain
the
idea
of
participating.
Even
for
free.
There
was
General
reluctance,
there's
92
restaurants
in
the
Bloomington
area
and
this
information
provided
by
Lauren
Clemens
to
us.
We
surveyed
47
of
them.
We
talked
to
47
restaurants
through
emails,
cold
calls
and
actually
walking
in
many
places,
got
between
two
and
one
restaurant
got
five
in-person
visits.
K
We
really
wanted
them,
and
yet
out
of
47
restaurants
that
we
spoke
with
and
shared
This
research
with
only
16
participated
that
included
two
juice
bars
in
a
tea
house
and
only
five
stayed
to
pay.
We
are
skeptical
about
Market
tolerance
to
The
Independent
Idea
of
this.
At
this
moment,
based
on
this
experience,
I
mean
we
got
to
a
half
of
the
the
total
pool,
there's
also
persistent
Food
Service
staff
shortages.
K
Forget
because
you
know
new
people
don't
didn't
get
the
training
or
managers
if
a
manager
left,
then
then
accountability
and
monitoring
of
fulfilling
that
training
would
dissolve,
and
so
a
labor
Mobility
at
that
time
and
labor
rotation
at
that
time
really
made
for
a
lot
of
difficulty
and
cost
for
us
to
go
back
and
do
a
bunch
of
retraining
recalibration
and
having
to
deal
with
tons
tons
more
contamination
that
just
causes
lots
of
contamination.
This
is
brand
new
content.
Like
I,
said
a
lot
of
restaurants,
don't
recycle
so
jumping
Next
Level
to
composting.
K
We
had
to
help
build
a
lot
of
operational
protocols
in
and
that's
a
culture,
interchange
thing
in
the
industries,
there's
also
individual
behavior
and
there's
a
lot
of
psychology
around
that
it's
a
well-study
phenomenon.
Why
don't
we
stick
to
our
New
Year's
resolutions?
Well,
a
lot
of
us
have
problems
with
that
because
of
the
value
action
Gap,
it's
actually
a
well-studied,
behavioral
psychology
field
and
there's
a
lot
of
good
research.
We
can
take
from
that
some
of
it
specifically
on
waste
behaviors
and
apply
to
our
next
programs
and
policies.
K
K
I,
don't
know
if
anyone
knows
this,
but
in
2017
China,
which
was
the
largest
recipient
of
recyclable
waste,
especially
Plastics
created
a
policy
that
reduced
their
contamination,
tolerance
to
0.5
percent
per
Bale,
meaning
that
they
went
from
importing
I,
think
51
million
metric
tons
to
500
000
metric
tons
in
one
year
and
the
U.S
actually
material
recoveries
facilities
in
the
U.S
had
an
increase
of
23
percent
of
the
amount
of
plastics
that
were
land
filled.
K
So
contamination
is
a
problem
because,
if
you
break
the
place
where
you
send
your
stuff
to
get
recycled,
whether
it's
food
or
plastic,
it
doesn't
get
recycled
anymore
and
those
operators
are
the
one
bearing
the
brunt
of
that
cost.
It's
a
cost
that
we
externalize
and
that
creates
a
moral
hazard
for
people
to
keep
doing
it
because
there's
no
penalty
for
doing
it.
So
this
breaks
International,
Recycling
markets.
It
can
break
composting
too.
We
had
really
awful
experiences
with
contamination
So.
Based
on
all
this,
our
recommendations
apply
the
known
research.
We
have
research.
K
The
report,
that's
actually
included
in
the
packet,
is
an
extensive
wrap-up
of
the
latest
research
and
waste
management,
behaviors
Waste,
Management
political
economy.
We
did
a
lot
of
work,
just
collecting
statistics
and
collecting
research.
These
things
can't
they
they
have
to
be
applied.
The
knowledge
is
out
there
and-
and
we
have
to
maintain
the
moral
rigor
and
commitments
to
bring
it
to
bear
on
concrete
policy
problems
and
programs
in
our
communities,
and
then
the
second
biggest
thing
we
have
to
say
is
that
Upstream
Solutions
are
so
much
more
effective
than
Downstream
Solutions.
K
Reducing
the
waste
is,
what
saves
the
money
and
it's
what
saves
on
the
emissions.
Just
making
the
waste
go
away,
doesn't
save
on
the
money,
doesn't
save
on
the
emissions
and
it
creates
a
moral
hazard
whereby
people
are
tempted
just
to
make
it
someone
else's
problem,
maybe
some
other
facilities
problem,
because
if
it
goes
away
well,
maybe
that
fork
can
slip
in
there
a
little
easier
that
plastic
cup
can
slip,
been
there
a
little
easier,
and
maybe
the
operating
costs
of
that
facility
goes
up,
and
maybe
it
goes
up
until
it
closes.
K
There
are
facilities
that
have
closed
because
of
contamination.
Madison
Wisconsin
has
two
facilities
that
have
closed
because
of
contamination,
one
that
was
being
run
by
its
City
one
that
was
being
run
by
its
university.
The
the
contamination
broke
a
biodigester
that
they
had.
Contamination
broke
a
farm
composting
system
that
they
had.
K
This
is
an
important
problem
and
in
2018
Kessler
Consulting,
who
came
and
worked
with
the
city
in
the
waste
District
to
even
discover
the
food
waste
problem
that
we
had
identified,
Madison
Wisconsin
as
a
key
comparator
that
we
should
be
in
dialogue
with
and
learning
from.
So
that
we
can
prevent
that
kind
of
a
situation
from
happening
to
us,
we
need
to
take
the
Upstream
Solutions
seriously,
do
Consulting
and
education
to
help
households
and
Commercial
businesses
like
these
restaurants,
save
money
and
save
on
the
emissions
rather
than
kicking
it
down
the
pipe.
K
We
were
more
like
a
backstop.
We
were
like
the
last
resort,
where
at
least
it
ain't
going
to
landfill
and
we
were
turning
it
into
compost
with
good,
green,
sustainable
jobs
for
the
and
good
compost
for
the
farmers
in
our
locally
colleges.
So
again,
I
mentioned
this
before
too
Beyond,
just
heeding
the
perils
and
Promises
of
our
comparative
communities.
K
Organics
recycling
is
just
another
mode
of
recycling.
The
problems
that
we
have
in
Plastics
recycling
Etc
will
be
the
same
problems
that
we
have
in
Organics.
So
we
can
study
the
problems
that
we
have
with
one
and
apply
them
to
the
next
before
it
becomes
a
contagious
problem
and
climate
crisis
requires
mindful
movement.
K
It's
it's
tempting
to
want
to
rush
and
to
scale
and
fix
it
now
now
now,
but
we
have
yes
limited
time,
but
we
have
limited
tools
at
our
disposal
for
dealing
with
these
problems
and
if
we
break
them
or
hamper
them,
we
won't
have
enough
tools
to
to
do
the
job
well
and
to
really
make
it.
So
it
is
important
that
we
learn
these
lessons.
Apply
the
research
see
what
other
people
do
and
and
focus
on
Upstream
rather
than
Downstream
Solutions.
K
This
brings
in
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
overwhelm
you
thinking
in
systems
yeah.
The
hauling
system
of
removing
the
waste
is
connecting
to
the
processing
system
of
turning
that
food
waste
into
compost
or
something
that
can
be
done
with
it,
but
then
that
compost
also
needs
to
be
distributed
so
that
the
distribution
to
Farmers
and
landscapers
and
homeowners
is
its
own
separate
system.
The
making
and
processing
of
the
food
waste
I
mean
itself
is
its
own
separate
system
and
the
hauling
of
it
is
its
own
system.
K
Each
of
these
have
a
distinct
political
economy
and
policy
framework
that
that
govern
them
and
their
Dynamics,
and
we
need
to
see
these
as
linked,
because
if
we
focus
just
on
go
making
something
go
away,
then
we
can
break
the
place
where
it
goes
away
too,
and
then
it
can't
go
away
anymore.
So,
focusing
on
Consulting
and
education.
We're
really
really
big
on
the
Upstream
Solutions
building
resilience
if
we
can
work
with
as
many
local
land
partners
as
possible
Farmers,
especially
and
the
people
that
can
get
us
in
connection
with
Farmers.
K
That
can
use
this
compost.
Even
if
this,
even
if
there's
a
composting
Farm
facility
impaired
with
some
other
more
technologically
advanced
facility
having
more
than
one,
is
important
for
critical
infrastructure,
because
if
we
have
a
single
point
of
point
of
failure
for
our
Waste
Management
stream,
then
that
creates
a
massive
and
expensive
problem.
K
And
we
have
evidence
and
examples
of
contamination-based
facility
failures
in
here
in
Monroe,
County
I
think
it
was
2018
with
the
Republic
meetings
hosted
by
the
Solid
Waste
Management
District,
where
our
our
former
partner
Kevin
Huntley
of
green
earth
composting
facility
on
the
west
side.
That
closed
after
his
passing
a
year
ago,
his
facility
had
to
be
shut
down
for
weeks
because
of
contamination
that
was
coming
in
from
a
prototype
pilot
from
IU
stadiums
and
one
of
the
cafeterias.
K
A
K
Absolutely
and
our
our
final
thing
is
just
to
collaborate.
The
County,
Solid
Waste,
Management
District,
is
an
excellent
resource.
It's
a
it's
an
issue,
specific
interlocal
resource
who
has
a
great
Administration
and
great
staff,
and
that
really
is
the
final
slide
that
this
is
just
kind
of
the
end
of
our
era.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
I
Briefly,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
I
do
want
to
say
that
it
was
a
lot
there's
a
lot
there
I'm
looking
forward
to
breaking
it
down,
but
like
there
was
a
lot
there
and
I
I,
not
sure
all
my
questions
could
be
answered
tonight,
so
I'll
be
looking
forward
to
reading
the
report.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Both
please.
A
You
thank
you
and
thank
you
Mr
Miss
Conway
so,
but
and
thank
you
Miss
Mia,
I'm,
sorry
I
appreciate
it.
So,
okay,
we
have
a
second
report
that
we're
looking
forward
to
this
evening.
We
are
obviously
at
our
limit
for
the
section
on
mayor's
report,
so
I'd
like
to
request
an
extension
or
a
motion
to
extend
the
time
for
this
section
of
the
agenda
to
7
30.
Would
that
make
sense?
I'm
looking
to
members
of
the
Caps
commission
here,
okay
may
I
have
a
motion
to
that
effect.
So.
E
A
E
A
M
Well,
hello,
everyone
and
thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
us
some
extra
time
today
to
present
the
work
of
the
Caps
commission
from
2022
and
2023.
I'm,
Jason,
McCulloch
and
I'm
joined
today
by
co-commissioners
Pamela,
Brown,
Sparks
and
najla
routsong,
as
well
as
some
commission
members
who
are
present
in
the
council
chambers
this
evening.
C
Monroe
County
History
Center
to
organize
a
public
event
on
how
to
conduct
black
genealogical
research
in
Fall
2023.
The
purpose
of
this
event
is
to
support
black
people
in
the
U.S
in
doing
oral
history
interviews
and
conducting
genealogical
research,
allowing
black
residents
to
have
a
stronger
sense
of
connection
to
the
community
and
enabling
the
entire
Community
to
have
a
greater
understanding
of
the
role
that
slavery
in
the
U.S
South
may
have
played
in
shaping
our
community.
M
That
was
that
one
forward
one
more
thanks.
The
research
committee
engaged
the
student,
agile,
Response
Team,
the
start
team
volunteers
from
Indiana
University
to
gain
insights,
to
improve
access
to
housing
in
Bloomington.
Recommendations
from
that
team
include
having
the
city
take
a
more
active
role
in
developing
very
low
income
housing.
The
major
project
of
our
committee
worked
worked
on
that
report
and,
as
a
community
partner,
we
recruited
that
team
of
undergraduate
researchers
from
the
Kelly
school
to
perform
original
Research
into
the
improvements
in
our
current
state
of
housing.
M
Their
full
report
is
available
on
our
web
page,
but
the
important
thread
is
how
we,
as
a
commission,
have
been
utilizing
connections
between
IU
and
our
commission
essentially
erasing
the
margin
that
divides
the
town
and
gown.
In
the
same
way,
the
research
we
presented
last
year
had
partnered
with
Professor
Daniel
Byrd
to
use
two
classes
to
do
research.
This
year's
participation
with
the
Start
program
provides
an
Avenue
for
future
research
to
utilize,
the
capacious
energy
of
undergraduates.
In
our
community,
rather
than
leaving
them
in
the
margins.
L
M
We
would
like
to
emphasize
that
this
report
does
not
merely
represent
the
ideas
of
the
committee
or
even
the
Caps
commission.
The
report
is
based
on
the
evidence
and
Outreach
gathered
by
volunteers
from
the
community.
Justice
and
mediation
center
help
ourselves,
Mutual
Aid
group,
The,
Net
impact
Club
of
Indiana
University
and
the
start
team.
In
particular,
we
included
life
experiences
and
perceptions
gathered
from
45
Community
stakeholders
and
members
who
attended
the
Public,
Safety
Town
Hall,
also
13,
high-level,
key
stakeholders
of
community
safety,
who
include
the
chiefs
of
police
and
of
Fire.
M
We
also
included
several
other
key
City
department,
heads
and
Community
leaders
from
University
business
and
advocacy
backgrounds
and
three
small
groups
of
safety,
marginalized
stakeholders
at
the
overnight
shelters
and
soup
kitchen
who
serve
some
of
our
community
safety
needs.
In
summary,
the
report
is
a
community-led
response
to
the
most
urgent
Public
Safety
needs
perceived
in
the
city.
L
To
ensure
the
healthy
and
continuous
functioning
of
the
Commission
in
times
of
conflict
among
members,
the
commission
passed
conflict
resolution
procedures
for
members
that
detailed
mediation
procedures,
utilizing
sea
Jam,
Center
contingencies
and
recommendations
for
removal
in
case
of
members
who
refuse
to
resolve
conflicts.
This
motion
demonstrates
organizational
learning
by
the
commission
to
utilize
the
valuable
experience
of
past
members
in
ways
that
will
improve
the
experiences
of
future
members.
C
This
year,
the
major
accomplishment
of
the
commission
was
passing
the
2023
alternative,
Public
Safety
report.
This
report
briefly
details
the
history
of
our
commission,
the
mission
and
founding
principles
of
our
work
on
alternative
Public
Safety,
the
process
we
followed
and
the
recommendations
we
have
made
based
on
the
community's
perceived
needs
and
priorities.
M
The
process
of
reaching
our
recommendations
Loosely
followed
the
steps
of
design-centered
Entrepreneurship,
as
developed
by
Min
bassador
and
Michael
goldsby,
where
researchers
first
identify
a
problem
and
its
key
stakeholders,
Loosely
based
on
known
information
and
perceptions
and
then
perform
both
qualitative
analysis
and
ex
on
existing
data
and
qualitative
research
with
stakeholders
to
uncover
all
the
relevant
facts,
perceptions
and
information
related
to
the
problem.
Next,
we
redefined
the
problem
using
the
new
information
uncovering
the
fact-finding
stage.
L
A
proven
way
to
develop
Innovative,
evidence-based
solutions
to
complex
problems
in
a
manner
that
includes
the
perspectives
of
all
key
stakeholders.
Our
committee
enhanced
the
design-centered
entrepreneurship
process
by
conducting
a
root
cause
analysis
in
order
to
better
understand
the
dynamic
systems
at
Play
Between.
The
root
causes
that
drive
the
public
safety
problems
in
our
community,
the
causal
mechanisms
that
allow
the
problems
to
continue
to
worsen
and
the
symptoms
that
make
these
problems
increasingly
apparent.
C
This
research
stage
of
the
process
was
mostly
conducted
in
2021.
in
2022.
We
completed
this
stage
by
selecting
five
of
the
best
models
of
alternative
public
safety
programs
in
the
U.S
to
use
a
case
as
case
studies
and
conducted
personal
interviews
with
the
operators
and
designers
of
those
programs
to
learn
what
worked
best
in
other
cities
similar
to
Bloomington.
This
allowed
us
to
compile
some
initial
ideas
for
improving
Community
safety
that
we
then
tested
improved
and
refined
in
our
Outreach
stage.
M
In
our
Outreach
we
conducted
personal
interviews
with
13
high-level
individuals
in
the
operations
advocacy,
business
and
political
spheres
of
community
safety.
We
asked
stakeholders
questions
about
their
experiences
and
perceptions
of
Public
Safety
in
Bloomington.
We
then
coordinated
with
cjam
to
hold
a
Public
Safety
Town
Hall
live
event
that
was
also
recorded
and
posted
to
the
city's
YouTube,
where
community
members
were
invited
into
small
breakout
groups
to
share
their
experience
with
Public
Safety.
L
The
commission's
findings
took
a
harm
reduction
approach
in
viewing
marginalized
people
as
those
who
are
the
most
harmed
by
our
existing
public
safety
system,
either
actively
through
activities
like
racial
profiling
or
the
criminalization
of
drug
users
or
passively
through
the
neglect
of
their
basic
safety
needs.
We
found
that
both
the
local
community
members
and
the
local
data
consistently
identify
unhoused
people,
people
experiencing
mental
illness
and
drug
users
as
the
most
safety
marginalized
groups
of
people
in
Bloomington.
L
They
are
the
people
steering
the
ship.
In
this
Naval
metaphor,
the
commission
also
found
that
black
residents
and
other
people
of
color
are
nationally
more
likely
to
be
represented
across
all
of
these
groups,
which
indicates
that
our
existing
City's
public
safety
system
marginalizes
racial
minorities,
therefore
designing
a
better
system
that
directly
serves
the
safety
needs
of
these
three
groups
is
one
way
to
substantively
improve
racial
equity
in
Bloomington,
especially
in
safety
and
Justice
outcomes.
L
C
The
commission
utilized
the
research
and
Outreach
we
had
performed
to
create
a
root
cause
analysis
to
better
understand
how
these
three
groups
of
people
represent
emergent
symptoms
of
three
structural
root
causes.
The
first
is
increasing
economic
pressure
caused
by
market
forces,
the
material
deprivation
of
access
to
resources
and
the
negative
psychological
stigmas.
M
M
The
third
problem
area
we
identified,
and
maybe
the
most
important
one-
is
a
functional
Gap
around
coordinating
a
strategic
response
to
these
growing
Public
Safety
threats
in
our
Outreach.
We
found
that,
despite
all
the
stakeholders,
agreeing
that
a
better
coordinated
response
is
needed
to
resolve
these
problems,
no
existing
City
departments
view
coordinating
such
a
response
as
within
their
purview.
L
The
main
recommendation
in
the
report
that
will
solve
these
systemic
problems
is
the
creation
of
a
new
Department
of
Community
safety
and
resilience
or
a
dcsr
that
will
prioritize
upholding
Community
safety,
above
all
other
competing
goals.
This
recommendation
is
contingent
on
the
results
of
a
feasibility
study
to
be
carried
out
by
an
independent
firm
to
assess
the
economic,
organizational
and
legal
implications
of
such
a
department.
L
Why
do
we
need
a
new
department
for
this?
It's
true
that
this
team
will
essentially
support
and
improve
the
foundation
set
by
existing
City
Departments
of
police,
fire
and
community
and
family
resources
and
other
departments
who
have
already
striven
to
prioritize
our
communities.
Fundamental
safety
and
resilience
needs
in
their
work.
However,
each
of
these
departments
lacks
the
explicit
role
of
coordinating
a
city-wide
strategic
approach
to
community
safety,
resulting
in
these
problems
that
have
continued
to
grow
over
time,
despite
the
laudable
and
Innovative
efforts
of
these
existing
departments.
L
Furthermore,
the
law
enforcement
LED
crisis
response
Protocols,
are
perceived
by
the
most
marginalized
stakeholders
as
excluding
or
even
threatening
their
safety
needs
effectively,
rendering
them
without
access
to
Emergency
Services,
allowing
the
dcsr
to
collaborate
with
existing
fire
and
police
departments
to
design
safety
focused
and
mental
health.
Clinician-Informed
dispatch
protocols
will
actively
include
the
safety
needs
of
the
most
marginalized
people
back
into
our
communities.
Emergency
response
services
in
a
way
that
is
impossible
in
the
existing
organizational
structure.
C
Besides
this
critical
short-term
role,
however,
the
DCF-
the
dscr,
also
has
a
fundamental
long-term
role
as
the
world
around
our
city
changes
and
the
threats
to
our
community's
safety
evolve
over
time.
The
dcsr
will
maintain
public
data
dashboards
that
track,
anticipate
and
show
it
is
responding
to
these
threats.
C
Once
emerging
service
needs
are
identified,
the
dcsr
will
work
to
remove
all
barriers
to
access
this
activities,
such
as
forming
Partnerships
with
service
providers,
developing
the
capacity
of
those
providers
in
the
most
in
the
services
most
needed
in
our
community
and
securing
sustainable
funds
for
them
from
federal
state
and
other
sources
organizationally.
The
dcsr
will
enable
the
city
combine
several
of
the
most
important
safety
related
Services
into
one
Department,
whose
main
objective
is
human
safety,
while
working
to
identify
and
resolve
competing
goals
that
it
in
other
departments
that
directly
impact
safety.
C
Unlike
any
existing
City
departments,
the
dcsr
will
have
the
explicit
responsibility
to
coordinate
a
strategic
response
to
reduce
the
most
serious
threats
to
our
community
safety.
In
short,
a
dcfr
is
the
most
efficient
cost,
effective
and
socially
just
way
for
Bloomington
to
improve
safety
for
all
of
its
residents.
L
40
and
sixty
five
thousand
dollars
in
a
public
audit
could
cost
another
twenty
to
fifty
thousand.
If
this
sounds
like
a
lot
of
money,
consider
that
the
city
paid
just
one
consulting
firm
well
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
last
three
years
to
make
organizational
assessments
of
City
departments
with
several
of
those
reports
costing
upwards
of
fifty
thousand
dollars
just
to
assess
one
Department.
C
The
Caps
commission
is
committed
to
continuing
to
facilitate
this
process
of
community
problem
solving
by
conducting
community
outreach
and
creating
an
RFP
or
RFQ,
selecting
a
firm
and
ensuring
it
has
access
to
the
information
needed
to
conduct
its
work.
We
also
look
forward
to
hearing
your
ideas
on
what
should
be
included
in
a
feasibility
study.
Overall,
our
constant
aim
in
this
work
is
to
ensure
that
the
community
members
whose
lives
are
most
impacted
by
these
decisions
will
have
the
greatest
control
over
them.
C
A
Thank
you
all
very
much.
We
have
about
a
minute
and
a
half
or
two
minutes
for
questions.
Are
there
any
questions
from
council
members.
A
E
Yeah
there's
so
much
happening
in
my
mind.
I
can't
really
formulate
a
question
in
two
minutes,
but
let
alone
listen
to
your
answer,
but
I
really
appreciate
your
hard
work
and
I
did
not
realize
until
tonight
that
you
had
a
report
on
the
alternative
from
the
alternatives
to
public
safe
for
Public
Safety
on
your
website,
I
guess
since
July
6,
so
I
just
went
to
that
and
I
downloaded
it.
So
I
will
be
reading
that
and
getting
back
to
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
had
to
have
a
quick
question.
The
purpose
of
the
Caps
commission
was
to
do
pretty
much
precisely
what
you've
done
this
report,
which
is
to
sort
of
summarize
the
problem
and
to
recommend
a
solution.
I
It
might
stand
to
logic
that
your
next
step
is
to
disband,
but
I,
don't
think
that's
in
order
at
all.
What
do
you
think
is
the
next
phase
of
the
Caps
commission
now
that
you've
reached
this
initial
conclusion,
and
can
you
answer
that
briefly.
M
Yeah
and
so
the
feasibility
study
that
we
recommend
is
we'll
need
follow-up,
and
so
we
think
that
will
feed
back
into.
B
B
M
I
In
other
words,
Your
Role
is
to
dig
deeper
into
the
data.
This
is
just
sort
of
a
cursory
overview
of
what
needs
to
be
done
and
that
there's
deeper
reports
to
follow.
L
Our
report
represents
that
we've
done
the
due
diligence
that
warrants
spending
the
cost
of
the
feasibility
study
and
taking
the
next
steps
towards
examining
the
feasibility
of
this
approach.
We
hope
so
anyway,
and
and
in
addition,
we
hope
to
increase
the
educational
efforts
by
the
commission.
L
One
of
the
recommendations
in
the
report
actually
is
for
our
own
commission
to
continue
and
actually
expand
and
do
more
regular
Outreach
at
those
locations
where
safety
marginalized
people
frequent
in
our
community,
because
that's
one
lesson
we
learned
from
our
Outreach
of
this
report
is
that
reaching
those
people
would
require
does
require
us
to
go
to
those
locations
and
that
that
is
extremely
valuable
Outreach
that
we
collected
at
those
locations.
That's.
A
Miss
Brown
Sparks
Mr
maholic.
Thank
you
very,
very
much
for
being
with
us
tonight,
so
that
takes
it.
That
completes
the
reports
from
the
mayor
and
city
offices
that
takes
us
to
council
committees.
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
reports
forthcoming
tonight,
seeing
none.
That
brings
us
to
our
first
of
two
periods
of
public
comment.
This
is
for
items
not
on
our
legislative
agenda
this
evening.
So
if
you
have
comments
on
ordinance,
2314
or
ordinance,
just
on
ordinance,
2314
will
have
an
opportunity
for
that
when
we
actually
hear
that
piece
of
legislation.
A
So
this
period
of
public
comment,
I
I
see
Mr
mg
here
in
Chambers.
Are
there
others,
I'm,
sorry,
but
Charlotte?
A
O
The
public
are
joining
us
via
zoom
and
would
like
to
comment.
Please
let
us
know
by
raising
your
hand
in
Zoom,
which
you
can
do
by
clicking
the
react,
reactions,
tab
or
the
more
tab
in
your
control
bar.
You
can
also
let
us
know,
you'd
like
to
speak
by
sending
the
meeting
host
a
chat,
see
one
hand
raised
at
the
moment.
A
Q
P
N
D
I'm
with
the
chamber,
but
I'm
speaking
at
the
moment
on
behalf
of
court
appoints
Court
appointing
special
Advocates
or
causes
just
want
to
alert
you
and
the
public
that
are
Casa's
fall.
Training
will
start
on
September
19th
run
through
October
19th
applications
will
be
due
in
just
about
a
month
on
September
8th.
D
The
training
we
are
going
today
are
going
to
try
different
hours
to
see
if
this
makes
available
to
more
people,
it'll
be
on
Tuesdays
and
Thursdays
from
10
a.m,
to
1
p.m.
So
the
trains
have
usually
been
in
the
evening,
but
the
staff
hopes
this
will
open
it
up
to
some
more
people.
We
do
have
children
right
now
in
this
court
system
because
of
interviews
and
neglected
that
do
not
have
a
volunteer
to
serve
as
their
Casas.
D
R
Good
evening,
Madam
president
council
members
distinguished
staff,
always
nice
to
follow
Jim
Shelton.
This
is
Christopher
mg
from
the
greater
Bloomington
Chamber
of
Commerce
just
a
little
bit
unpacked
from
the
day.
It
was
great
to
hear
the
earthkeepers
report.
I
know,
I
am
well
educated,
just
by
that
collaboration,
what
they
were
able
to
bring
to
the
community.
R
As
far
as
elevating
the
conversation
on
some
tactical
applications
on
food
waste-
and
it
was
a
it's
great
to
be
part
of
the
Caps
report
there
they
reached
out
to
the
chamber-
and
we
did
take
part
in
that
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
cats
is
the
reason.
I
am
part
of
any
local
government
junkie
for
28
years
ago.
I
just
started
watching
it
and
still
talk
with
Iris
kiesling
and.
R
Other
former
council
members
regarding
their
tenure
there,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
brief.
R
Brief
note,
I
noticed
noted
last
week
on
the
the
CIP,
the
Capital
Improvements
board,
the
governing
structure
for
the
convention
center
expansion
and
what
that
sort
of
entails
and
what
we
were
hoping
for
is
sort
of
a
swift
action
from
the
Council
on
getting
getting
an
appointment
made
and
I
just
want
to
appreciate
that
you
set
together
a
three
council
member
committee
put
forth
with
this
task
with
some
due
diligence
and
going
for
a
qualified
candidate.
That
is
both
able.
I
think
this
is
a
great
start.
R
It's
my
hope
that
the
mayor
will
follow
suit.
With
opening
up
the
application
portal,
the
council
appointee
will
be
joining
the
likes
of
John
White
card
Joyce
pulling
and
my
boss
chamber
president
Eric
spoonmore,
so
I
just
want
to
encourage
the
public
to
put
in
the
application
for
that.
Anybody
interested
in
hospitality
and
just
the
good
of
the
community
and
then
the
next
item
I
want
to
do
bring
up
was
the
the
community
survey,
the
2023
that
was
brought
up
last
week.
R
It's
my
thanks
to
the
NRC
for
both
presenting
and
doing
the
work
and
conducting
all
of
the
research
involved.
You
know
the
companies
I'll
be
probably
pointing
out
to
some
sort
of
less
than
admirable
data
within
that
report,
but
today
I
just
want
to
bring
up
some
of
the
positiveness
of
the
survey
and
the
quality
of
the
light
that
we
hold
dear
here,
where
three-fourths
of
the
respondents
did
say
it
was
good
to
excellent
and
that's
where
I
come
here
before
Council
meetings
to
try
to
improve
and
try
to
keep.
R
Is
that
thing
called
quality
of
life
that
we
hold
so
dear
and
that's
you
know:
that's
Public
Safety,
that's
the
Aesthetics
of
the
community,
so
it
all
kind
of
goes
into
that
and
we
still
have
that
we
hold
that
deer.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is
the
city
staff
who
were
singled
out
in
there
and
I
wanted
to
just
say
my
personal
satisfaction
with
them.
R
I
just
provided
an
email
to
Scott
Peterson
over
at
Twin
Lakes
on
the
job
that
he
does
I
know,
Public
Works
will
be
speaking
later
and
the
job
they
do
on
sanitation
is
amazing
and
Michael
large
and
all
of
the
Adam
waste
and
all
the
group
there
do
a
wonderful
job.
So
it's
important
to
note
that
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
A
S
You'll
have
many
more
minutes.
My
name
is
Nicholas
foyles
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
Indiana
recovery
Alliance
here
in
Bloomington
Indiana,
thanks
for
having
me
like
I,
said
I'm
here
as
the
executive
director
of
the
Indiana
recovery
Alliance
I'm
here
to
represent
those
that
do
not
have
the
privilege
to
be
here
to
speak
for
themselves.
S
I
have
the
distinct
pleasure
to
serve
a
population
that
rarely
gets
a
voice.
They
are
often
suffering
from
one
or
several
society's
most
debilitating
problems,
incarceration
drug
misuse,
mental
illness,
HIV
or
hcv
infection
and
or
homelessness
all
are
curable
or
treatable
problems,
and
yet
most
of
our
population
that
I
serve
are
inflicted
with
one
or
many
of
these
problems,
and
it
is
my
pleasure
to
speak
for
those
who
can't
come
here
to
speak
for
themselves,
not
only
their
solutions
to
these
problems,
but
a
lot
of
them
are
the
result
of
poor
treatment
options.
S
I
was
asked
by
the
Caps
board
to
discuss
these
with
them
and
to
give
my
opinion,
whatever
that
might
be,
I
was
born
and
raised
in
Bloomington
I've
been
through
every
side
of
this
been
in
the
jails
been
in
the
prisons
been
in
recovery
now,
for
a
long
time,
I
served
the
population
that
no
one
hears
about
I
hear
the
population
that
are
dying,
I,
hear
the
population
I
serve
the
population
that
are
unhoused
and
can't
find
housing.
S
You
know
small
Petty
crimes
that
they
don't
deserve
long
sentences,
for
there
are
other
treatment
options
that
are
way
more
viable
evidence
has
already
laid
this
out,
as
the
Caps
board
has
said,
the
main
thing
I'm
really
supporting
is
the
first
time
I've
ever
been
here
and
I
didn't
think
I'd
be
nervous,
I'm
nervous,
that's
funny
the
the
idea
that
we
look
at
these
things
and
we
think
oh
a
Cap's
report
and
it
goes
on
and
and
we
see
the
report
and
it
for
me,
it's
visceral.
S
It's
every
day
you
know,
I
lose
usually
one
to
three
participants
within
a
given
five
or
six
month
period.
All
curable
problems,
all
things
that
can
be
solved
by
something
like
this.
That
would
set
a
precedent
for
having
people
treated
like
human
Charlotte
said
something
about
connection
and
like
that's
all
it
is.
These
people
just
need
connection,
something
like
the
Caps
board
could
serve
for
my
people.
The
people
that
I
take
care
of
every
day
to
have
better
outcomes
in
their
lives.
There
are
poor
treatment
options
in
Indiana.
S
There
are,
they
are
all
usually
for
profit
or
far
away
out
of
our
tenure
or
of
our
reach.
You
know
and
I
just
think
that
something
like
this
could
provide
the
people
that
I
serve
better
outcomes
and
keep
them
alive.
Hopefully-
and
that's
I
mean
I-
could
talk
for
another
minute,
but
that's
pretty
much.
All
I
had
to
say
is
that
not
one
of
those
people
is
going
to
be
here
to
speak
for
themselves,
so
I'll
be
here
to
speak
for
them
and
that
they're
they're
just
want
to
be
housed
connected
and
treated.
S
You
know
that's
it,
and
so,
if
this
serves
in
any
way
to
do
that,
those
three
solutions
they
labeled
when
they
went
there,
I
was
watching
them
as
we
started
talking
about
this
and
they
talk
about
removing
all
access
to
Bear,
removable
barriers
to
excess
of
housing,
drug
treatment
and
mental
health
care.
That's
a
hard
thing
to
do,
but
we
could
do
small
things
that
made
huge
impact.
You
know
we
have
300
homeless
people
here
yearly
for
the
past
three
years.
We
could
Whittle
that
down.
S
You
know,
resolve
institutional
conflict
between
creating
priorities
and
closing
the
institutional
Gap
around
coordinating
a
strategic
response
to
changing
threats
to
Public
Safety
I'm
part
of
a
National
Coalition
that
has
seen
that
done
in
three
cities
with
absolute
startling
results
and
I'm
not
going
to
speak
over
the
minute.
But
thank
you
very
much
for
having
me.
T
You
pull
the
microphone
a
little
closer.
Please
yeah
I'm
not
very
used
to
public
speaking.
Sorry
about
that.
My
name
is
Donna.
Storm
I've
worked
in
Social
Services,
most
of
my
life
and
I
work
with
Better
Way
house,
The,
Treehouse
specialist
I
just
want
to
encourage
you
to
really
look
at
some
of
the
personal
stories.
Personal
little
paragraphs
in
that
caps
report.
It's
a
long
report,
but
just
listen
to
the
people.
T
We
have
a
t-shirt
that
says
believe
survivors
and
another
one
that
says,
support
survivors,
it's
all
about
listening
to
the
people
that
this
is
really
happening
to
and
that's
part
of
what
the
Caps
program
is
trying.
Caps
commission
is
trying
to
get
to
happen
and
that's
all
I
really
have
to
say:
I
really
want
to
support
the
work
that
they've
done
and
I'm
hoping
that
it
carries
forward.
Thank
you.
H
Take
my
glasses
off,
so
I
can
read
how
about
that
the
Human
Rights
Commission,
as
many
of
you
will
know,
we
merged
the
city's
commission
and
the
counties
commission,
and
so
what
we're
going
to
do
tonight
at
least
team
a
it's,
a
housekeeping
appointment
that
we'll
make
for
those
currently
serving
on
the
con
on
the
commission
and
the
need
for
them
to
continue.
But
before
I
get
to
the
motion.
H
Every
one
of
the
Commissioners
are
currently
into
their
own
projects
and
looking
into
some
of
our
human
rights
issues
within
the
city
and
the
county,
so
I
think
not
only
is
it
the
right
thing
to
do,
but
it's
a
just
thing
to
do
to
con
for
continuity.
With
regard
to
that,
not
having
said
all
that
I'd
like
to
move
that
we
reappoint
Emma
Williams
seat
C1,
and
this
is
for
the
Human
Rights
Commission.
Her
current
term
is
from
February
1st
of
23
until
January
31st
of
25.
H
I
Because
our
the
the
person
we
appointed
to
seat
C2
of
the
traffic
commission,
Megan
bankowski
declined
it
because
she
has
been
appointed
to
the
environmental
commission.
Team
B
would
like
to
to
nominate
Kathleen
fields
to
seat
C2,
who
was
interviewed
and
was
considered
a
backup.
H
Q
B
Yes,
ordinance
2314
to
amend
title
six
of
the
Bloomington
Municipal
Code,
entitled
health
and
sanitation
regarding
updating
and
increasing
fees
for
service
and
harmonizing
chapters.
Four
and
five
of
title
VI
of
the
Bloomington
Municipal
Code.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows.
This
ordinance
makes
several
changes
to
title
VI
of
the
Bloomington
municipal
code
to
bring
the
title
in
line
with
change,
local
practice,
to
increase
service
fees,
to
clarify
references
and
to
harmonize
current
practices
with
the
city
code.
B
U
The
Public
Works
director
for
the
city
of
Bloomington
always
an
honor
and
a
pleasure
to
be
here,
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
few
brief
comments
and
then
turn
it
over
to
Michael
large,
our
special
projects
and
operations
manager
to
go
through
the
a
few
slides
from
last
month,
but
we're
here
with
the
council
back
in
June,
with
some
different
rate
structures
under
consideration,
of
which
we
did
not
have
a
positive
vote
on
that.
U
After
working
with
several
council
members
and
reviewing
some
of
the
models
and
hearing
some
of
the
comments
from
the
council,
we've
adjusted
the
rate
structures
to
go
for
a
longer
period
of
time
in
which
the
general
fund
support
would
be
reduced.
So
we
would
do
that
between
2024
and
2029
and
also
are
making
some
adjustments
to
the
cart
exchange
fees
that
we
heard
from
the
council
as
well.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Michael
he's
going
to
just
run
through
a
few
slides.
U
V
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name-
is
Michael
large
I'm,
the
operations
manager
for
the
Department
of
Public
Works,
just
going
to
run
through
some
quick
slides,
many
of
them
you've
seen
before,
but
we
will
have
a
conversation
about
them
afterwards,
if
you
like
so
The,
increased
Solid,
Waste,
Disposal
and
recycling,
processing
fees
continue
to
increase
year
to
year.
Increase
fees
for
recycling
processing
and
solid
Woods
disposal,
combined
with
the
increased
tonnages,
have
resulted
in
overall
increased
disposal
and
processing
costs
from
2017
through
2022.
V
Keeping
up
with
needed
investment
on
Capital
asset
replacement
for
trucks
instead
of
one
truck
purchased
for
replacement
each
year,
we
have
only
been
able
to
purchase
one
every
other
year,
given
the
heavy
duty
use
of
these
vehicles.
Sanitation
trucks
should
be
on
a
seven
year
replacement
cycle
and
we
are
currently
on
a
10
to
12
year
cycle,
which
will
only
exacerbate
maintenance
costs
over
the
course
of
time.
V
I
want
to
celebrate
some
of
the
successes,
though,
from
this
sanitation
modernization,
program,
resident
satisfaction
with
garbage
collection
has
increased,
as
shown
in
the
results
of
the
community
from
2017
to
2021
from
78
percent
to
as
high
as
83
percent.
In
the
2021
survey,
diversion
rates
continue
to
increase
also
from
from
2017
of
a
32
percent
diversion
rate
to
35
percent
in
2022,
which
now
exceeds
the
EPA
standard
nationally.
V
In
addition,
workers,
compensation
and
serious
injuries
have
significantly
been
reduced
from
an
annual
high
point
of
nearly
170
thousand
dollars
in
total
workers.
Compensation
costs
in
2016.
to
a
low
point
of
10
655,
an
annual
cost
in
2021.
This
is
clear
evidence
that
the
new
system
is
successfully
reducing
injuries.
V
Given
the
rising
cost
of
operations,
rates
need
to
be
adjusted
quite
simply,
to
meet
operational
costs
and
to
properly
invest
in
our
Capital
replacement
of
vehicles.
After
the
2023
budget
hearings,
the
administration
heard
from
several
council
members
that
were
interested
in
exploring
a
reduction
of
the
amount
of
general
fund
support
to
the
sanitation
division
of
Public
Works,
as
you
can
see
from
this
chart,
that
amount
that
has
been
supported
by
the
general
fund
has
hovered
right
around
a
million
dollars
since
2018,
with
a
high
of
1.107
million
dollars
in
2022.
V
Finally,
the
proposed
adjust
feeds
include
additional
pickups,
it's
quite
simply
just
doubling
of
those
prices,
in
addition
to
an
increase
in
what
we
charge
for
large
item
and
Appliance,
pickups
I
will
get
the
floor
back
to
Mr
wayson
at
this
time.
If
you
have
any
questions.
U
Here
so,
as
Michael
mentioned,
the
new
rate
structure,
it's
over
six
years,
where
that
general
fund
support
gets
reduced,
and
we
also
did
hear
from
the
council
in
June
about
going
to
a
price
per
gallon
that
is
equal
for
each
of
the
different
cart
sizes.
Previously
we
had
a
lower
price
per
gallon
for
the
smaller
sizes
and
a
higher
for
the
largest
size.
We
heard
from
the
council
that
they
wanted
to
make
that
more
Equitable
across
the
three
cart
sizes.
U
So
that's
what
we've
done
here,
one
other
clarification
just
from
the
conversation
last
month,
just
on
on
numbers,
we're
really
focusing
on
the
accuracy
of
numbers
and
public
works
and
wanted
to
just
when
we
talked
last
month.
We
often
referred
to
the
13
500
accounts
that
we
have.
The
rate
structures
are
actually
based
on
a
number,
that's
fourteen
thousand
fourteen
thousand
six
hundred
and
eighty
and
that's
the
number
of
carts.
We
have
that
we're
charging
for
in
the
field.
So
that's
where
some
discrepancy
and
just
language
and
numbers
was
happening
last
month.
U
So
basically,
what
that
means
is
there's
13
500
paying
accounts,
but
some
of
those
accounts
have
multiple
cards
for
multiple
units
or
multiple
cards
for
just
one
unit.
So
when
we
actually
figure
out
the
rate
structure,
we're
at
that
number,
not
the
13
500..
The
great
models
from
last
month
were
also
based
on
that
number,
but
I
kept
referring
to
the
account
numbers
at
that
thirteen
thousand
five
hundred
rate.
So
with
that,
we
will
turn
it
over
to
the
council
for
any
questions
you
may
have
and
are
happy
to
answer
any
this
evening.
I
For
the
presentation,
rather,
you
caught
me
at
multiple
carts
for
a
single
unit.
W
U
Per
unit
large
families,
we've
got
several
several
addresses
that
have
two
of
the
64
gallons.
It's
just
that's.
We
that's
happened
over
time.
The
most
the
majority
of
that
difference
between
13,
500
and
14
600
is
multiple
units
at
one
address,
that's
the
vast
majority
of
it.
Q
I
H
W
U
So
if
it's
401
North
Main
Street
units,
a
b
c
and
d,
it
could
be
on
one
account
but
have
four
sets
of
cards
for
the
different
units
at
that
address.
H
Okay,
I
have
more
questions
if
that's
okay,
I
just
popped
up
with
this
conversation,
one
of
the
other
aspects
of
what
we're
talking
about
tonight
is
the
the
card
exchange
fee
and
it
was
fifty
dollars
and
I
think
you've
suggested
it
go
down
to
25.
H
U
So
the
moving
from
50
to
25
is
actually
not
in
the
order
ordinance.
It's
been
set
as
just
policy
Within
by
the
board,
but
the
rationale
is
just
the
cost
to
actually
have
the
staff
the
vehicle,
the
fuel
for
the
exchanges
we've
always
had
at
the
50
rate
we
weren't
covering
the
cost
of
that
and
and
the
cart
itself.
We
do
have
a
pretty
decent
inventory
right
now
we
were
thinking
about
and
just
to
make
it
easy.
We
we
went
with
the
25
dollar
rate
for
the
card
exchanges.
U
We
expect
the
number
of
card
exchanges
to
go
up
as
we've
reduced
that
cost,
but
we
also
considered
having
it
stay
the
same
at
fifty
dollars.
If
you
were
going
from
a
medium
cart
to
a
large
cart,
for
example,
or
a
small
to
a
medium,
but
we
are
just
going
to
do
25
across
the
board
to
not
offer
any
confusion.
There.
U
So
it's
the
Labor,
it's
the
vehicle,
the
miles
traveled
the
fuel
so
that
that's
what
that
cost
is.
H
Okay,
later
on,
I
might
like
to
talk
with
you
and
see
that
that's.
F
F
Discussion
of
or
an
exploration
of,
reducing
costs
for
the
the
overall
operations
that
then
you
might
not
have
to
raise
the
fees
you
know
has
there
ever
been
that
kind
of
a
thought.
We're.
U
Certainly
trying
to
be
as
prudent
as
possible
with
sanitation
division,
a
lot
of
the
costs
are
just
outside
of
our
control.
Disposal
costs
recycling,
processing
fees.
The
majority
of
our
budget
is
really
a
controlled
cost
outside
of
our
control.
In
that
way,
with
the
disposal
and
processing
labor
is
the
vast
majority
of
the
budget
at
sanitation
as
well.
You
know
we
can't
do
this
with
fewer
people.
We
could
probably
use
some
more
back
office
staff.
Honestly
Michael
spends
about
right
now,
80
percent
of
his
time,
working
with
sanitation.
U
The
one
thing
when
we
move
to
this
system
that
we
didn't
really
recognize
in
the
case
studies
we
were
looking
at
was
the
amount
of
time
we
devote
to
cart
management
and
software
management,
so
maintaining
the
Software
System.
U
There
I
don't
see
any
major
areas
for
cost
reduction
if
fuel
prices
went
down,
that
would
be
great,
that'd,
be
a
real
big
help
to
us,
but
so
many
of
them
are
outside
of
our
control
of
costs
that
that
you
know
I
think
we're
doing
the
best
we
can
down
there.
A
E
Yes,
thank
you
Mr
wayson,
so
this
is
a
question.
I
asked
via
email,
but
just
for
the
public
record
I
wanted
to
ask
it
again.
So
I
notice
in
the
new
pricing
monthly
cost
per
cart
the
it
is
spread
over
five
years,
but
the
year
one
increase
is
significantly
larger
than
the
subsequent
increases
like
about
30
percent
and
then
subsequently
about
12
percent.
E
Can
you
oh
I,
see
34
and
then
12.?
Can
you
explain
why
that
is
well.
U
It's
it's
top
heavy
for
a
couple
reasons
and
I
think
and
I
appreciate
council
member
Flaherty
working
through
all
this
with
us.
But
you
know
if
we're
trying
to
keep
that
general
fund
rate
as
the
costs
have
increased
and
we're
trying
to
keep
that
general
fund
support
amount
no
higher
than
it
currently
is.
That's
going
to
require
us
to
have
that
kind
of
initial
jump
and
then
in
the
subsequent
years,
we'll
be
able
to
not
have
quite
the
as
high
of
increases
over
time.
U
E
Okay,
I
see
so
it's
the.
We
can
also
think
about
it
as
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
this
is
covering
the
increased
costs,
but
not
so
for
the
the
changes
for
2024.
The
increase
would
cover
the
increased
cost
of
providing
the
service
without
reducing
the
subsidy
from.
U
That
was
a
lot
yeah
I'm.
Sorry,
yes,
you're
on
the
right
train
of
thought
there.
Yes,
we
we
need
to
capture
those
increased
costs.
We've
incurred
over
the
last
couple
years
with
a
bigger
increase
right
now,
so
that
we
don't
increase
general
fund
support
in
2024
those
subsequent
years.
Take
into
account
this.
H
Thank
you
and
director
wayson
also
I
neglected
it
the
first
time
to
say.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
H
Was
trying
to
get
get
to
some
points
there,
but
thank
you
for
the
report
and
all
the
hard
work
that
you
and
your
staff
do
with
the
workers.
Comp
savings
by
my
calculations.
I
could
be
wrong,
but
it's
around
159
000
give
or
take
the
difference
between
what
it
costs
and
and
the
savings
has
that
been
absorbed
into
the
operational
general
fund,
or
is
that
how
does
that
help
offset
costs
at
all.
U
Through
the
workers
comp
insurance
program
through
risk
management,
so
you
know
it,
it
I
think
it
pretty
much
makes
itself
up
in
the
rears
is
Jeff
Underwood
on
the
no
it
kind
of
makes
itself
up
in
the
rears.
In
terms
of
we
don't.
You
know
some
of
those
costs
like
the
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
on
that
High
Point
year,
weren't
all
paid
in
that
year
they
were
paid
in
years
after
so
we
don't
often
it
doesn't
really
hit
the
budget
necessarily
in
the
budget
year,
because
the
injury
gets
paid.
U
The
the
cost
of
the
injury
often
goes
over.
The
you
know
the
regular
year
that
we're
a
cycle
that
we're
on.
So
that's
where
that
cash
balance
and
the
general
fund
support
amount
can
change
that
170
000
amount
from
2014
or
15
was
that
probably
hit
over
15
and
16,
because
it
was
a
long-term
treatment,
type
injury.
So
that's
where
that
cash
balance
and
the
general
fund
support
number
can
fluctuate
each
year.
H
Okay
and
lastly,
if
I
may,
in
a
period
2017
to
2022
the
cost
increase,
of
course,
with
recycle
and
waste
removal,
I
guess
I'm
wondering
during
that
time,
with
Administration
what
type
of
measures
were
either
investigated
researched
enacted
in
order
to
counteract
some
of
those,
obviously
noticeable
and
consistently
Rising
costs,
not
sure
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
you
could
have
contained
I'm
just
wondering
what
did
we
do
well.
U
U
Well,
we
it's
one
of
those
issues,
that's
outside
of
our
control
in
a
lot
of
ways
the
amount
of
waste
generated
in
the
community
were
we
actively
participate
in
recycling
education
programs
trying
to
reduce
the
amount
that
goes
into
the
landfill
compared
to
the
recycling
stream.
It
costs
half
as
much
to
process
recycling,
as
as
it
does
to
landfill,
solid
waste,
but
we
also
attribute
quite
a
bit
of
that
those
initial
spikes
in
those
tonnages
with
with
the
coveted
pandemic
at
home.
You
know
the
number
of
times
people
were
taking
carryout
home.
U
We,
we
definitely
saw
a
tonnage
increases
that
just
corresponded
directly
with
with
covid.
They
haven't
subsided
so
as
much
as
we
had
hoped
by
now.
So
you
know
we're
through
active
encouragement
over
cycling
and
other
software.
We've
got
a
program
called
recollect
that
we
push
information
out
through.
U
U
Actually
can
I
make
one
more
comment
on
that
real,
quick.
You
know
the
other
thing
I
think
in
the
case,
studies
that
we
didn't
recognize
when
we
did
modernization
is
when
you
give
the.
When
you
use
this
cart
system,
we
used
to
have
weight
limits.
You
know
we
still
won't.
You
know,
move
a
96,
gallon
cart,
full
of
gravel,
but
you
know
I
think
that's
also
part
of
it
too,
that
you
know
with
the
cart
system.
U
I
Interested
in
the
same
topic
that
councilman
Sims
was
about
the
cost
of
exchanging
carts
and
I
I.
Don't
know
if
I'm
still
bothered
by
it
I
I'm
having
trouble
formulating
a
question.
I
guess:
I,
never
understood
why
we
didn't
just
charge
for
people
who
were
going
up
in
cart
size
as
opposed
to
charging
for
either
going
up
or
going
down.
D
I
Mean
maybe
if
you
can,
if
you
can
go
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
the
logic
behind
charging
at
all,
for
carts,
I
mean
shouldn't
that
be
as
as
much
as
I
want
the
program
to
pay
for
itself.
This
is
the
one
sticking
point,
I
don't
know
if
either
Sims
comes
with
their
Flaherty
feel
the
same
way,
but
this
is
the
one
thing
that
does
seem
like
it
should
be
up.
I
I,
don't
understand
why
it's
a
disincentive
for
people
to
right
size,
their
cart.
U
A
couple
things
on
this:
we
have
a
very
high
rental
turnover
Market
every
May
in
August.
If
we
we
have
to
have
some
level
of
cost
there
not
to
discourage,
but
just
to
you
know,
if
every
rental
house
called
in
August
and
said
hey,
we
don't
want
the
64.
We
want
a
96
or
a
35,
we're
in
a
much
different
place
from
a
workload
perspective
than
we
are
just
working
with
with
regular
customers.
It's
a
lot
to
do
with
the
rental
market
and
and
and
there's
a
labor
cost.
U
There's
a
fuel
cost.
There's
you
know
that's
what
we're
trying
to
capture
if
it
were
up
to
me,
it'd
be
a
hundred
dollars
because
then
we'd
cover
the
full
cost
of
the
card,
the
full
cost
of
the
labor
and
and
because
the
car
costs
have
gone
up
over
time
too.
If
we
had
to
purchase
carts
right
now,
I
think
they're
65
to
70
dollars.
When
we
first
started
the
program,
I
think
we
were
paying
about
forty
dollars,
a
cart.
I
Okay,
so
when
you
swap
out
a
cart
with
another
cart,
can
these
the
the
old
cart
be
reused?
Sometimes
why
can't
it
be
reused.
U
U
How
to
get
down
to
that?
You
know,
but
you
know-
and
it's
not
something
we're
offering
yet,
but
we
are
either
we're
considering
an
in-house
or
a
contracted
service
for
car
cleaning.
A
lot
of
communities
that
have
carts
like
we
do
offer
a
cleaning
service
doing
that
in-house
is
going
to
be
a
terrible
challenge,
but
there
are
outside
Contracting
companies.
U
I
So,
just
to
get
it
straight,
people
swap
carts
and
it
costs
money
to
I
mean
what
what
roughly
a
portion
of
the
carts
that
get
swapped
can
no
longer
be
used.
Is
it
half
more
than
half
less
than
half
any.
U
I
So,
a
third
of
carts
that
you
take
back
roughly,
not
holding
you
to
it,
can't
be
reused
again.
They
have
to
be
well.
U
We
do
have
a
pretty
good
inventory,
even
from
rollout,
so
we
did
we
we
want
to.
We
had
a
percentage
higher
and
then
with
all
of
the
card
exchange.
So
that
was
the
other
thing
where
we
ended
up
with
a
higher
level
of
inventory
of
carts.
If
you
recall,
when
we
did
the
program
rollout
in
2017,
we
gave
the
community
an
opportunity
to
fill
out
a
survey
and
say
what
cart
sizes
they
wanted
about.
Q
U
A
O
P
X
X
X
X
Well,
it
turns
out
that
I
live
alone,
I
generate
very,
very
little
trash
or
recyclables
I.
Don't
need
to
put
out
my
trash
and
recyclables
every
week.
In
fact,
every
three
weeks
would
probably
be
enough,
but
you're
still
charging
me
every
week.
I
find
that
not
very
responsive
city
government,
so
I
would
and
it'd
be
very
easy
to.
O
R
Good
evening
again
Council
this
is
Christopher
Ramsey,
not
from
the
chamber,
but
as
a
resident
of
the
city.
Homeowner
of
in
Sunny
slopes
and
I
spoke
about
this
issue
in
June
when
it
came
up
and
I
I'll
read
it
reiterate
some
of
those
remarks.
I
was
hoping
we
would
come
back
and
kind
of
split
the
baby,
but
it
feels
like
I'm
Meryl
Streep
on
the
end
of
a
custody
battle
and
Kramer
versus
Kramer.
R
This
is
just
kind
of
expanding
the
fee
over
six
years,
instead
of
all
at
once,
and
you
know
it
being
a
Central
City
service.
I
think
we
have
to
have
a
good
reason
why
the
subsidies
are
no
longer
there.
We
had
the
lid
increase
last
year
and
I.
Remember
one
of
the
buckets.
Does
anybody
remember
the
bucket?
It
was
essential
city
services.
Well,
this
is
an
essential
City
service.
R
It's
not
a
utility
in
the
same
sense
since
you're
not
getting
something
you're
getting
something
taken
away
and
I
thought
Michael,
large
and
Adam
weyson
did
a
wonderful
job
and
saying
why
we
should
get
an
increase
and
we
should
costs
have
gone
up.
R
We
want
to
have
those
vehicles
maintenanced
and
changed
over,
so
I
I.
Don't
have
any.
You
know
real
issue
with
the
increase.
It's
just.
The
118
percent
increase
that
we're
looking
at,
which
I
think
when
you
look
at
other
fees
that
have
gone
up
with
within
the
with
the
city
and
the
taxes
and
property
taxes,
you
know
we're
up
for
another
referendum
from
MCCSC
that
we
just
have
to
think
about
in
this
in
a
larger
context
and
I
think
I
think
we
are
and
not
looking
at.
R
Simply
oh,
you
know,
you
know
the
other
private
entities
outside
the
incorporator
Incorporated
area
charges
this
much
well,
you
know,
there's
should
be
certain
services
that
we
sort
of
look
to
for
a
reduced
price
that
we're
subsidizing.
Recycling
is
what
I'm
saying
not
recycling
trash
service,
but
the
recycling
aspect,
which
is
I,
think
definitely
a
public
good
and,
as
we
bring
people
into
the
city,
it's
nice
to
know
that
one
of
their
fees
will
be
will
be
going
down
in
that,
and
it
goes
back
to
another
point:
I
made
last
time
the
city
finances.
R
Where
are
we
on
the
city
finances?
If
the
city
was
in
a
financial,
Dire,
Straits
I
think
this
118
percent
increase
right
away
would
be
in
order.
I,
don't
know
how
the
city's
doing
financially.
We
had
I
mentioned
the
lead
increase,
but
just
seems
like,
like
all
of
a
sudden.
These
subsidies
now
are
an
issue
for
the
city.
It
just
seems
like
where
is
this
coming
from
and
if
we
knew
then
we
would
have
some
context
which
I
think
we
don't
quite
see
at
this
time.
R
So
I
do
respect
everything
that
Public
Works
has
done.
I
think
the
modernization
has
been
wonderful
and
a
real
benefit.
The
customer
service
there
is
impeccable,
the
increase
is
warranted.
Is
it
warranted
this
much
I,
don't
believe
so?
So
I
would
pass
on
this
particular
increase
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Y
Good
evening,
council
members,
my
name
is
Dave
Askins,
with
the
b
square
bulletin.
I
just
have
a
question
about
the
the
table
that
shows
the
amount
of
general
fund
subsidy
starting
in
2023
and
then
going
through
2029,
there's
also
a
column
for
the
the
estimated
Revenue
associated
with
each
of
those
price
schedules.
Yes,
that's
exactly
the
slide.
Y
Don't
think
that
that
can
be
explained
by
simply
the
three
percent
increase
in
costs
that's
used
from
year
to
year
in
this
entire
schedule,
but
something
that
Michael
large
mentioned
in
his
presentation
that
director
wayson
also
mentioned
back
in
May
or
June,
is
the
idea
that
we've
been
essentially
I
think
managing
to
keep
the
general
fund
subsidy
around
a
million
dollars
just
by
not
replacing
Vehicles,
as
often
as
we
really
ought
to,
and
that
the
general
fund
subsidy
column
here
is
assuming
that
we're
actually
going
to
get
back
on
a
reasonable
schedule.
Y
For
replacing
vehicles,
so
that
would
be
the
answer.
I
would
give
guessing,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
get
I'm
hoping
to
get
confirmation
that
that's
why
the
million
dollars
in
2023
stays
the
same
at
a
million
dollars
in
2024,
in
which
case
I.
Think,
if
my
theory
is
correct,
we
should
be
buying
some
new
trash
trucks
next
year.
A
I
I'm
going
to
take
up
Mr
sabog's
Question,
although
I
think
he's
stepped
out
the
other
thing.
I,
don't
understand
it's
a
much
bigger
deal,
and
you
know
the
question
I'm
going
to
ask
is:
why
is
it
that
I
mean
I,
don't
agree
with
Mr
sebag
that
just
because
I
mean
there
is
a
fixed
cost
for
the
water
bill,
the
gas
bill,
the
electric
bill
that
people
pay,
even
if
they
use
less
water,
gas
or
electric.
I
That
is
not
true
with
sanitation,
and
it
does
not
make
sense
and
I
take
public
works
as
word
for
it
that
smaller
bins
and
35
gallons
are
impractical.
So
why
can't
we
offer
this?
Is
the
thing
I've
asked
about
for
years
offer
a
discount
program
for
not
putting
out
your
bin
offer
some
kind
of
a
rebate?
I
U
A
couple
takes
on
it:
first,
it's
it's
when
I'm
alluded
to
the
cart
management,
the
cart
management
is
a
huge
aspect
of
Why
Pay,
of
what
the
cart
management
is
a
huge
part
of
why
it's
so
difficult
to
try
to
offer
a
program
like
this
with
the
14
600
carts
when
addressed
it,
like
you
think,
of
every
cul-de-sac
in
in
the
city,
when
you
know
the
carts
get
put
back
down,
it's
often,
you
know
the
three
four
houses
aren't
often
getting
their
carts
back.
So
it's
it's
the
cart
management
side
of
it.
U
It's
you
know,
while
we
thought
technology
in
this
was
going
to
solve
a
lot
of
our
problems.
U
The
administrative
burden
of
trying
to
track
each
household
that
we
service
so
to
the
administrative
burden
of
tracking
that
and
trying
to
offer
a
rebate
program
is,
is
just
going
to
be
extensive
when
you
think
of
the
units
a
b
and
c
scenario.
How
do
you
know
if
it
wasn't
Unit
A
that
left
it
out
or
if
it
was
Unit
C
that
left
it
out?
U
We've
there's
just
there's
enough
complicating
factors
that
we're
trying
to
keep
the
cost
low
enough
for
the
smallest
cart
sizes,
that
you
know
that,
there's
an
that
it
encourages
the
use
of
the
smallest
carts,
but
pay
as
you
throw
is
just
something
in
that
regard,
is
something
we've
not
been
able
to
get
our
hands
around
and
and
find
it
to
be
unmanageable
in
a
lot
of
ways.
I
Most
but
I
will
say
Okay,
so
the
administrative
burden
is
significant,
but
I
mean
we
specifically
bought
carts
with
an
RFID
chip
in
them.
I
It's
one
thing
to
I
mean
there's
a
number
of
strategies:
I
can
think
of
off
the
top
of
my
head
to
address
the
triplex
situation
that
you
suggested.
Perhaps
the
bins
could
be
different,
colors
at
a
at
a
house
or
a
building
that
has
more
than
one
unit
so
that
they
can
be
told
apart.
There's,
no
reason
why
they
have
to
be
identical
colors
when
there's
multiple
units
in
a
building,
but
is
the
RFID
chip
just
hard
to
read?
I
Is
it
that
people
take
in
their
bins
and
they
don't
care
which
bin
they
take
back
in
again,
but
that's
an
argument
for
giving
the
carts
different
colors
like
it's
like
Home
and
Away
kits
for
a
soccer
team.
You
know,
like
you,
have
two
or
three
different
kits
depending
on
how
many
like
this,
we
don't
serve
more
than
households
of
four.
U
Well
so
we've
been
talking
about
this,
you
know
for
years,
and
you
know
yes,
the
rfids:
can
they
they
have
about
a
12
foot
radius.
So
if
you
have
two
carts
right
next
to
each
other,
it's
probably
it's
going
to
have
a
hard
time.
Discerning,
exactly
which
address
with
the
GPS
system,
is
Affiliated
to
the
cart.
U
If
you've
got
it
out
in
Hyde,
Park
or
in
areas
where
it's,
where
you've
got
larger
lots
and
the
carts
are
further
apart,
it's
easier
to
do
something
like
this,
but
in
the
core
of
the
downtown,
where
you've
got
addresses
on
addresses
the
RFID
reader,
it's
accurate
to
an
extent,
but
it's
also
when
it
when
it
cross-references
that
to
the
GPS
address
they're
with
the
houses
that
are
so
close,
it's
easy
to
have
an
error
there,
and
so
that
that's
part
of
the
accuracy
that
we
worry
about
as
well.
So.
I
You
mean
that
the
chip
isn't
measured
when
the
truck
lists
the
bin,
because
you
have
direct
contact
with
the
bin.
At
that
point,
it.
U
U
U
It
also
geocache
it
compares
to
the
GPS
location
to
make
sure
you're
at
an
address.
So
again
it
we're
not
in
a
position
to
offer
this.
It's
not
something
that
we've
been,
that
we're
willing
that
it's
just
not
a
program
that
we're
suggesting.
I
U
I
mean
we're,
we
have
a
supply
of
carts
with
them
in
them
already,
and
so
that
they're
there
you
know.
So
when
we
exchange
a
card,
it's
going
to
have
an
RFID
chip,
it's
a
it's!
It's
simply
a
with
14
600
trash
carts
out
there
and
with
the
addresses
and
the
the
compact
nature
of
the
downtown.
It's
it's
something
that's
just
unmanageable
for
us
and
we've.
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
go
with
a
program
like
that.
Thank.
I
E
Yes,
as
I
noted
earlier,
as
we
discussed
earlier,
Mr
wayson,
the
initial
increase
is
34
percent
for
the
smallest
carts.
So
that's
that's
a
significant
amount
of
monthly
increase
for
some
of
our
residents.
That
could
make
a
difference.
So
if
somebody
has
trouble
paying
that
amount,
where
can
they
get
financial
assistance.
U
So
with
we
partner
with
the
city
of
Bloomington
utilities
and
the
South
Central
Community
Action
Program
for
utility
bill
reductions,
so
folks
can
work
with
South
Central
Community
Action
Program
for
eligibility
there
we
don't
actually
have.
We
haven't
utilized
our
full
Budget
on
that
year
over
year.
So
it's
something
we've
been
trying
to
encourage.
When
you
know
customer
service
gets
a
call
about.
You
know
we're
struggling
to
pay
that
bill
trying
to
get
folks
through
the
program.
There's
an
application
process.
H
Again,
gentlemen,
I
want
to
thank
you
Administration
for
your
hard
work,
actually
I'm
talking
to
an
empty
Podium.
I.
Don't
want
to
do
that,
I!
Guess
I.
Can
it
don't
really
matter?
You
know,
there's
some
good
things
about
our
operation
that
we're
doing
and
in
my
neighborhood,
the
far
west
side.
H
There's
a
program
within
public
works
or
sanitation.
I
should
say
that
actually
helps
some
of
our
physically
challenged,
paying
accounts
I
mean
and
to
me
that
that's
impressive
I
really
like
that
I
had
to
call
once
or
go
through
the
the
reporting
the
online
reporting,
because
the
lid
was
busted
on
my
recycle
cart
and
of
course
you
know.
V
H
Okay,
that's
not
a
love
hook
so
and
I
was
really
glad
that
I
didn't
get
charged
for
that,
but
they
came
out
and
just
you
know,
Zip
Zip
put
on
a
new
one,
ZIP
zipped
when
we're
gone,
so
those
are
good
things
about
the
service
that
we
provide.
H
Some
of
the
things
that
really
troubled
me
in
particularly
about
trash
service,
trash
removal,
service
and
I.
Think
I've
heard
it
once
or
twice
a
program
to
pay
for
itself.
H
I
mean
that's
that's
Troublesome
to
me
and
I
know
the
costs
are
rise.
I
know
we
need
to
do
something
to
reduce
the
cost,
but
it's
hard
for
me
to
see
a
program
unless
it's
on
the
backs
and
shoulders
of
people
in
this
community
that
really
can
ill
afford
to
tote
that
load
for
it
to
program
to
pay
for
itself.
So
there's
going
to
be
some
subsidy,
I
think
I,
I
think
we're
just
a
matter
of
debating
how
much
maybe
but
I,
really
think
trash
pickup
and
I
heard
this
and
I
believe
it.
H
So
maybe
it's
a
matter
of
reprioritizing
some
budget
things
and
and
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
as
a
city
in
order
to
release
that
that
burden,
there's
going
to
be
citizens
and
users
are
going
to
have
to
increase
some
things.
H
I
just
researched
today
about
recycle
pickup
and
how
much
that's
changed
over
the
years
and
I
tell
you
if
I
cannot
recycle
styrofoam
and
egg
cartons
that
goes
into
my
trash
bin
and
now
I
got
to
pay
for
that.
Because
China's
not
taking
it
I
mean
I,
get
all
that.
But
but
what
do
we
do?
I
mean
it's
on
the
back:
does
it
so
I'm?
H
H
I
mean
we
mentioned
utilities,
I
sit
on
utility
service
board,
so
I
know
they're
programmed
to
help
people
who
get
in
trouble
and
send
them
to
you
know
as
Captain
all
these
things.
Those
are
good
programs
too.
Nobody
uses
that
money.
For
some
reason,
I
mean
all
those
budgets
go
untapped.
You
said
yours
does
theirs.
Do
you
see,
but
I
think
this
it'll
be
getting
more
help
or
more
use
moving
forward.
So
that's
just
my
comments
and
again
thank
you
guys
for
your
presentation.
I
appreciate
it.
W
You
breathe
I
just
want
to
say,
I,
think
this
looks
good.
It's
a
good
first
step.
I
could
say
a
lot
more
I,
think
about
where
I
want
to
see
our
trash
service
to
go.
But
I
really
appreciate
that
we
had
some
pretty
serious
conversations
here
and
then
this
got
brought
back
and
I
feel
ready
to
support
it.
So
thank
you.
W
E
Yeah
I
appreciate
the
additional
work
on
this
ordinance
and,
of
course,
I
I
recognize
that
the
ordinance
contains
more
than
just
the
increase
in
the
monthly
fees
for
trash
and
recycling.
Pickup,
there's
also
elimination
of
the
of
the
mention
in
our
Municipal
Code
about
the
leaf
pickup,
which
we
have
trans.
E
We
are
moving
away
from
and
we
have
different
options
for
that
now,
and
you
know
the
The
Exchange
fee
is
being
cut
in
half
of
Card
Exchange
and
the
cost
of
picking
up
large
items
and
appliances
is
increasing
to
reflect
the
actual
cost
of
labor
for
those
items.
So
it's
not
only
the
monthly
fees
but,
of
course
those
are
the
hottest
among
these
topics
and
I
I.
E
Look
at
this
in
the
context
of
all
residents
of
Bloomington
and
as
we
know,
over
60
percent
of
our
residents
are
renters
and
most
of
them
most
of
the
renters
live
in
buildings
that
have
more
than
four
units
and
therefore
they
do
not
get
the
benefit
of
the
sanitation
services
that
we're
talking
about.
E
They
do
still
pay
into
our
property
taxes,
which
is
our
biggest
tax
revenue
for
City
operations,
because
it's
it
gets
factored
into
their
rent
and,
of
course
they
pay
the
local
income
tax
that
we've
been
talking
about,
and
they
they
pay
all
the
taxes
that
property
owners
do
in
one
directly
or
indirectly,
and
yet
they
do
not
get
the
benefit
of
this
service
and
therefore
I
think
it's
it's
very
important
and
I'm
very
happy
to
see
that
we
are
transitioning
away
from
subsidizing
the
service
through
General
fund
money
and
moving
towards
a
model
where
the
people
who
use
the
service
and
benefit
from
the
service
will
pay
for
the
service,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
that
I
think
that's
an
equitable
thing
to
do.
E
I
do
appreciate
that
this
would
be
spread
out
over
six
years.
I
said
five:
previously,
that's
a
mistake.
It's
six
years
and
I
I
am,
of
course
you
know.
E
I
I
do
have
concern
for
people
who
struggled
to
pay
their
monthly
bills
and
especially
the
first
year
it'll
be
a
34
increase,
and
that's
why
I
was
inquiring
about
if
there's
financial
assistance
for
people
and
there
is-
and
we
need
to
get
the
word
out
about
that
so
I
am
in
support
of
this
ordinance
and
I
hope
that
it
will
pass
this
evening.
Thank
you.
F
F
I
assume
that
meant
that
we
were
going
to
hold
the
line
on
a
lot
of
things
because
we
did
the
lit
and
then
the
school
system
did
a
levy
a
couple
years
ago
and
we're
going
to
do
we
knew
another
one
was
coming
so
in
that
respect,
I
I,
really
I'm
worried
that
we're
making
Bloomington
more
expensive
all
the
time
by
small
amounts,
and
it
it's
a
concern
of
mine
for
just
everybody
that
lives
here.
F
So
I
can't
support
it
and
I
and
I
wish
that
we
would
Muncie
the
city
of
Muncie
pays
for
their
trash
collection
through
property
taxes,
so
I
wish.
We
would
do
that
and
it
it
would
be
up
to
the
administration
to
do
that.
They
could
do
that
if
they
wanted
but
they're
taking
a
different
approach
to
this.
So
I
can't
support
it.
I
I
really
appreciate
everything
that
Public
Works.
Does
it's
not
a
reflection
on
them?
They're
really
excellent
group
in
the
services
are
great,
so
thank
you
very
much.
I
I
have
to
disagree
with
my
colleague,
I
understand
his
argument.
I,
don't
think
his
the
that
his
problem
with
this
proposal
takes
into
account
that,
among
other
things,
we
have
a
climate
related
reason
for
addressing
the
issue
now
the
six
years
ago,
or
so
when
the
sanitation
modernization
program
came
in.
I
We
addressed
the
issue
that
at
the
time
the
trash
sticker,
which
I
think
was
a
program
that
he
was
more
supportive
of,
but
the
trash
sticker
didn't
really
account
for
the
fact
that
we
had
to
run
the
truck
no
matter
whether
bags
are
put
out
or
not,
and
so
Mr
sabog's
concern
about
having
you
know
like
if
I
use
less
I
pay
less
like
there
still
has
to
be
a
base
fee.
That
argument
made
sense.
I
That's
why
I
supported
the
Senate
sanitation,
modernization
program
in
the
first
place,
but
we
do
have
this
climate
related
mandate
there's
even
before
we
were
talking
about
climate.
We
know
we
need
to
incentivize
the
reduction
of
trash
and
the
one
thing
that
the
trash
tag
program
did
right.
Was
it
incentivized
people
to
reduce
trash
and
a
consistent
critique,
I've
heard
of
the
program
since
it
was
implemented?
Is
that
it
doesn't?
It
does
a
cruder
version
of
it?
You
have
35
64,
90,
96
gallons,
that's
it,
but
we
can't
make
a
smaller
bin.
It's
not
practical.
I
The
trucks
would
actually,
you
can't
have
a
bin
smaller,
because
the
truck
would
devour
it,
and
so
we
don't
have
a
way
to
capture
the
one
thing
that
the
previous
program
did
right:
the
subsidy
that
some
of
my
colleagues
have
been
looking
to
reduce
that
I
agree
with
them
on
has
been
an
issue
for
years
for
some
members
here,
unlike
what
Mr
MG
said
in
his
comments
earlier,
this
is
not
sudden.
We
have
been
talking
about
this
consistently
for
years.
I
It
was
a
concern
when
the
program
was
proposed
and
I
still
have
constituents.
Commenting
on
this
to
me,
I
don't
want
to
overstate
the
case,
but
it's
one
of
the
most
common
complaints
that
I
hear
as
a
council.
Member
is
why
can't
I
get
something
back
for
not
putting
up
my
trash
now
for
those
people
in
need.
I
would
gladly
see
the
retention
of
the
general
fund
subsidy
if,
let's
say
that
fund
cost
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
that's
not
something
we
need
to
build
into
the
the
rate
that
could
come
out
of
the
general
fund.
I
We're
subsidizing
people
in
need,
but
it
sounds
like
in
order
to
do
what
I've
been
seeking
all
this
time.
We
I
mean
there's
a
second
subsidy
here
that
there's
the
subsidy
of
the
general
fund
and
then
there's
the
subsidy
I
mean
we
we're
for
the
convenience
of
the
trash
bins,
we're
not
doing
as
fine
attuned
a
job
of
incentivizing
trash
reduction.
I
So
we
know
from
Public
Works
own
data
tonight
that
through
technology
we
can
reduce
injuries
significantly.
We
know
we
can
do
it
with
technology,
but
it
sounds
like
we
need
to
increase
fees
even
more
than
they're
being
proposed
now,
in
order
to
properly
be
able
to
incentivize
people
to
generate
less
trash.
What
Public
Works
needs
in
order
to
do.
That
is
a
combination
that
of
unknown
quantities
of
more
technology
and
more
Personnel,
to
enable
this
goal
that
I
for
one
have
pursued
through
so
long
that
many
constituents
have
asked
for.
I
For
so
long,
but
it
shouldn't
be
a
Holy
Grail
like
what
I'd
love
to
get
is
a
sense
of
how
much
more
it
would
cost
in
order
for
Public
Works
to
be
able
to
do
that
again,
let's
talk
about,
if
it's,
maybe
it's
not
just
four
unit
households
that
need
different
kit
colors
to
tell
the
bins
apart,
maybe
in
the
denser
core
neighborhoods,
we
need
multiple
colors.
In
order
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
people
really
say
this
is
my
bin.
I
Maybe
we
only
need
to
sign
up
households
that
want
to
have
their
bin
tracked.
Maybe
not
everybody
wants
to
get
the
dollar
or
two
rebate
that
it
might
be.
There's
got
to
be
some
way.
We
can
do
it
at
the
very
least.
We
need
to
quantify
it.
We
need
to
establish
well
what
it
would.
I
I
guess
I'll
shut
up,
but
we
don't
have
that
data.
We
don't
know
and
I'd
like
to
know
what
what
it
would
cost
in
order
to
make
it
a
practical
program
to
reduce
the
fund
because,
again,
even
though
we're
going
to
solve
one
subsidy
with
this
proposal
that
second,
maybe
it's
a
lesser
subsidy,
but
it's
still
significant
and
we
should
try
to
solve
it.
Thank
you.
A
G
I
was
unsure
whether
I
was
going
to
say
anything
I
actually
want
to
apologize,
just
for
procedural,
no,
which
is
customer
Sims
comments,
in
particular
about
finding
the
right
balance
and
that
sort
of
thing
made
me
wonder
if
we,
if
there
were
members
who
didn't
want
to
try
to
adjust
this
in
some
way
or
amend
it
and
take
another
week
as
opposed
to
calling
the
question
tonight.
If
not
that's
okay,
I
wanted
to
just
make
sure
we
acknowledge
that
possibility
and
thought
about
it.
I
Chime
in
and
say
that
I
would
be
interested
to
hear
Mr
Sims
answer
too,
because
if
we
can
get
a
little
bit
more
data,
you
know
we
didn't
set
up
this
schedule
this
year
in
order
to
approve
stuff
faster.
We
just
wanted
to
I
mean
we
should
take
more
time
if
another
week
might
help
or
even
two.
H
I
mean
it's
a
little
bit
tough,
because
to
me
this
is
a
basic
City
service,
so
we're
still
talking
about
compromising
something
that
I
don't
think
we
should
compromise
on.
So
that's
the
tough
part
in
the
first
place.
Second
thing
is
and
not
to
I
saw
the
reaction
when
we
just
said
that
you
know
for-
and
it's
like
so
so
you
know
and
again
not
trying
to
call
you
out
or
anything.
That's
not
the
deal
but
I'm
a
people,
person
and
I
notice.
Things
like
that.
H
You
know:
I
notice,
all
the
hand
stuff
and
just
the
Yakety
Yak
I
notice,
all
those
things
not
that
that
is
yes
or
no
I'm,
not
saying
that
I
think
councilmember
Flaherty.
H
That
I
think
that's
a
decent
idea,
because
there's
so
many
components
and
and
we're
focused
on
trash
pickup,
and
maybe
we
could
get
rid
of
some
of
that
other
stuff
and
then
focus
on
something
to
that
to
me
is
more
Equitable
for
this
overall
community
at
and
not
that
I
want
to
kick
the
can
down
or
prolong
this,
but
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
Councilmember
Flaherty,
you
know
I'd
be
willing
to
entertain
that.
F
I
You
saying
Madam,
chair,
I,
move
the
postponement
of
this
ordinance
to
the
next
regular
session
on.
H
Well,
but
before
we
do
that
in
in
good
motion,
What
specifically
are
we
waiting
for
I
mean?
What
is
it?
Were
there?
Some
specifics,
councilman
Florida,
because
I
don't
want
to
just
say,
go
back
and
fix
it,
because
they
did
they've
already
done
this
a
couple
times.
So
what
are
we
wanting
them
to
fix
now
or
that's
something
we
talk
about
later?
If
we
postpone
it.
H
G
Again,
I
mean
I'm,
not
sure
it
seems
like
it
takes
some
conversation
or
discussion,
a
handful
of
folks
meeting
to
talk
about
what
sticking
points
are
for
them.
I
I
support
the
ordinance
as
drafted,
but
I
know.
We've
got
different
ways.
G
Folks
are
thinking
about
how
the
general
fund
should
be
used,
if
at
all,
for
the
folks
who
receive
this
is
Central
City
service,
acknowledging
that
other
folks
don't
receive
this
essential
City
service,
and
so
what
balance
to
strike
there
and
what's
manageable,
I
think
is
worth
trying
to
hash
out,
because
we
have
a
largely
sort
of
divided
group
and
there
may
not
be
majority
support
for
any
one
single
thing
that
we've
heard
yet
so
it
seems
yeah,
it
seems
like
there's
support
for
some
level
of
increase,
but
maybe
nothing
we've
seen
yet.
I
One
of
you,
in
addition
to
what
both
of
them
have
said
you
know,
I,
would
like
to
to
inquire
more
about
the
question
that
I
rated
the
rhetorical
question
I
just
raised.
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
there
are
two
members
that
are
not
here
where
I
think
would
like
to
weigh
in
and
I
think
their
their
opinions
are
important
as
well.
So
the
number
of
reasons
why
I
think
it
might
be
worth
postponing
okay,
Mr
Sims.
H
U
We,
for
several
reasons
we
came
to
you
in
June,
with
upwards
of
five
options.
There
were
two
other
amendments,
possibly
considered.
We've
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this.
We've
spent
a
lot
of
Staff
time
on
it,
we're
entering
a
very
busy
period
of
time
for
Public,
Works,
myself
and
all
the
staff
being
August
turnover
and
we've
put
a
lot
of
work
into
this.
U
A
H
A
E
A
B
Read
ordinance
2315
to
amend
Title
II
of
the
Bloomington
Municipal
Code,
entitled
Administration
and
Personnel
regarding
amending
2.76.040
entitled
boundaries
to
expand
the
service
area
of
the
Bloomington
Public
Transportation
Corporation.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows.
This
ordinance
is
sponsored
by
council
member
volin.
It
would
authorize
Bloomington
Transit
to
expand
services
within
the
boundaries
of
Monroe
County
through
appropriate
interlocal
agreements
that
specify
exact
areas
and
Equitable
funding
mechanisms
for
those
services.
A
We'll
take
up
ordinance
2315
next
at
our
regular
session,
also
next
Wednesday
August
9th,
so
that
takes
us
to
our
second
of
two
periods
of
public
common
I.
Don't
see
a
lot
left
in
Chambers
to
offer
comment,
but
if
you
did
please
raise
your
hand
Mr
Lucas.
Can
you
extend
our
invitation
on
Zoom?
Please?
Yes,.
O
O
Just
one
item,
president
scambaluri
has
expressed
an
interest
in
scheduling
a
council
work
session
next
Friday
at
noon,
for
the
purpose
of
hearing
from
County
officials
on
their
efforts
to
locate
a
new
site
for
the
jail.
So
I
am
hoping
to
gauge
interest
tonight
from
other
members
and
holding
that
meeting.
That
would
be
next
Friday
at
noon
in
the
McCloskey
room.
If
there's
sufficient
interest
in
scheduling
that.
O
So
if
there
is
interest
and
and
see
a
few
folks,
if
someone
could
make
a
motion
to
hold
that,
that
would
be
appropriate.