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A
Okay,
today's
agenda
was
distributed
by
email
on
Friday
September
8th.
Maybe
are
there
any
objections
to
adopting
the
agenda
as
distributed
and
shown
on
the
current
screen?
A
Oh
Dennis
is
here:
okay,
hearing
down
the
agenda
is
adopted.
The
minutes
for
our
August
regular
meeting
were
included
in
the
packet.
Are
there
any
corrections.
A
Okay,
hearing
none
the
minutes
are
approved.
We
will
move
on
to
public
comment.
Each
member
has
three
minutes
to
speak.
If
anyone
has
anything
they'd
like
to
say
sure,.
B
E
Hi
there,
my
name
is
Joseph
whenia
I
am
providing
an
update
on
the
back
to
Earth
Collective
composting
program
that
was
jointly
sponsored
in
part
by
the
city
of
Bloomington
and
the
Monroe
County
Solid
Waste
Management
District
I
am
pleased
to
announce
that
we
have
one
participating
site
lined
up.
There
are
three
households
enrolled
for
a
total
of
seven
members
participating
and
we
are
looking
at
launching
potentially
by
the
end
of
this
week
or
sometime
next
week.
So
this
is
the
first
site.
It
will
be
very
exciting
to
see
how
it
goes.
E
There's
the
possibility
of
launching
one
more
site
potentially
this
year
and
then
the
remaining
well
any
sites
remaining
going
into
winter
will
likely
be
resumed
or
Pursuit
will
be
resumed
for
additional
sites
in
this
spring,
with
a
target
of
completing
the
set
of
six
sites
by
the
end
of
spring
2024..
So
just
wanted
to
let
everyone
know.
B
A
That
green
drinks
is
back
and
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
what
it
is.
If
anyone
else
can
speak
more
eloquently
about
the
importance
of
it
or
what
it
is,
Matt
Maybe.
G
It
typically
is
monthly,
yes,
yeah
I've
found
value,
I
know
when
earthkeepers
or
green
Camino
was
first
getting
up
and
running
they.
They
were
invited
guests
and
so
I've
always
found
value
in
them.
Myself.
J
One
of
our
commissioners:
it
was
long
part
of
the
organizing
committee
other
pre-pandemic,
when
it
was
still
running.
I
said
no.
One
may
have
good
Insight
too
in
a
future
meeting.
Yeah.
J
To
see
it
back,
it's
so:
yes,
it's
like
a
national
thing,
but
yeah
monthly,
like
environmental
apps.
It
was
like
pretty
well
attended
too
I'd
say
like
40
to
60
people
a
lot
of
meetings
and
that
Upland
back
back
room
space,
a.
G
H
K
Spoke
one
time
about
the
living
future
Institute,
the
green
drinks,
probably
10
years
ago,
great.
A
So
the
green
drinks
this
month
is
September
27th
at
6
p.m,
at
Upland
doors
open
at
5,
30.,
so
great
opportunity
to
go.
Do
that.
D
I
was
hoping
to
provide
good
news
tonight
about
our
neighborhood
sustainability
sustainability
grant
program,
but
we
got
some
feedback
from
legal
and
for
the
Lancome
population
grant
program.
We
will
need
to
set
up
Grant
agreements
with
the
neighborhood
group,
and
so
that's
set
up
where
they
can
get
a
grant
ahead
of
time
before
they
go
out
and
purchase
whatever
they
want
to
purchase
with
a
grant,
whereas
the
general
population
they
have
to
purchase
whatever
they
want
to
buy.
D
D
Populations
we
have
to
have
a
grant
agreement
in
place
and
we've
we've
submitted
a
a
mock-up
Grant
agreement
for
legal
to
review
and
approve,
so
we're
just
waiting
for
that
before
launching
the
program.
Okay,
good
to
know
yeah
and
we
went
through
Michaela
went
through
the
program:
yeah
the
Grant
management
software
with
Emma
and
so
she's
on
board.
She
knows
how
it
works
and
yep,
so
hopefully
we'll
hear
back
from
legal
next
month
and
be
able
to
Launch
very
good.
So.
L
Is
there
a
certain
requirement
that
the
neighborhood
needs
to
meet
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
that
or.
L
D
D
F
A
M
B
J
A
quick
update
I
wanted
to
share
on
what's
called
project
46,
which
is
the
Regional
climate
collaborative
that
has
gotten
underway,
spearheaded
by
mayor
Hamilton
and
mayor
Lennon
from
Columbus.
So
this
had
a
you
know:
a
climate
convening
last
October
with
some
some
subject
matter:
experts
and
folks
helping
to
convene
people
from
across
Bartholomew,
Monroe
and
Brown
counties
to
think
regionally
about
about
climate
action,
and
the
ideas
were
to
be
kind
of
multi-governmental
unit
and
also
cross-sectoral.
J
B
J
Around
food
compost,
other
I
think
cook
group
has
done
a
lot
with
them.
Food
composting,
for
instance,
catalan's
been
doing
a
lot
on
sort
of
renewable
energy
procurement
Cummins
over
in
Columbus
has
been
a
long
been
leader
on
kind
of
again
renewable
energy
procurement
they've
got
a
really
a
good
model
of
a
virtual
power
power
purchase
agreement
that
they've
implemented
that
others
could
replicate.
They've
also
been
really
working
to
transition,
their
Core
Business
towards
a
zero
carbon
future.
J
So
the
idea
was
to
try
to
get
local
governments
that
are
all
in
different
places
and
private
sector
folks
who
all
sort
of
share
this
connection
in
the
we'll
call
it
Northern,
Indiana,
Uplands
and,
of
course,
connected
by
State
Road
46,
to
try
to
increase
Collective
ambition
and
learn
from
one
another.
J
Have
some
exchange
among
Partners,
so
I
think
multiple
councils,
city,
council,
Columbus
Council
and
the
national
Town
Council
have
all
committed
some
level
of
resourcing
to
this
and
still
working
on
getting
some
additional
financial
support,
hopefully
from
Monroe,
County
and
and
Bartholomew
County,
and
we
just
had
a
first
steering
committee
meeting
yesterday,
which
is
meant
to
be
kind
of
high
level
guidance,
their
quarterly
meetings.
There's
a
youth
representative
from
Columbus
High,
School,
System
I'm
on
it
at
the
request
of
Mayor.
J
Mayors
Hamilton
and
Lynette,
but
also
then
presumptively
the
the
Mayors
who
will
replace
both
of
them.
Mayor
lineup,
is
also
wrapping
up
his
final
term
in
office,
some
representatives
from
IU
from
IU
Health
from
Cummins,
the
Community
Foundation
in
in
Bartholomew
County
and
Nashville,
Town,
Council,
or
no
sorry,
Nashville,
Town
manager,
rather,
and
maybe
one
or
two
others.
So.
J
Thank
you
so
really
just
getting
started.
J
There's
there's
been
some
press
releases
recently
that
you'd
probably
find
pretty
easily
by
just
Googling
Bloomington
project
46,
but
some
goals
include
having
a
regional
greenhouse
gas
emissions
inventory,
assessing
where
we
are,
what
the
opportunities
are
for
Amish
introductions,
maybe
learning
from
those
private
sector
entities
that
are
already
tracking
and
working
to
reduce
their
emissions,
understanding,
Regional
vulnerabilities
and
collaboration
around
things
like
watershed
management
or
extreme
heat
management
and
then
again
looking
for
opportunities
to
to
share
and
collect
ambition
and
hopefully
improve
ambition
through
that
with
large
large
institutions.
J
Companies
and
government
also
looking
to
leverage
the
considerable
funding
opportunities
out
there
available
through
the
inflation
reduction
Act
and
the
infrastructure
investment
in
jobs
act,
many
of
which
are
just
sort
of
coming
online
or
not
even
online,
yet
will
be
coordinated
through
State
agencies
and
others,
and
federal
agencies
and
I
think
I'm
missing
something
on
the
goals
list.
What
do
I
ever
see.
J
That's
all
right,
we'll
leave
it
at
that
for
now.
So
really
it's
still
in
the
sort
of
forming
stage
and
trying
to
to
set
up
some
some
structures.
So
there
will
be
also
anticipated
working
groups
focused
on
certain
areas
like
like
energy
or
Transportation,
and
maybe
maybe
even
some
working
groups
within
those,
so
they're,
probably
opportunities
to
be
involved
which
may
be
of
interest
to
admission
in
the
future.
J
But
I
wanted
to
just
highlight
that
that
sort
of
regional
climate
collaborative
is
getting
underway.
These
have
probably
been
increasing
gradually
around
the
country.
We've
got
some
peer
examples,
both
in
the
region
and
Indiana
coordinated
through
the
Northwest
Indiana
Regional
Planning
Commission.
There's
a
three
County
kind
of
effort.
The
greater
Chicago
region
has
the
Metropolitan
mayor's
caucus
that
that
leads
a
regional
climate
collaborative
that's,
for
instance,
coordinated
on
EV
charging
infrastructure
across
their
region
right
trying
to
do
that
in
an
intentional
and
coordinated
way,
and.
J
Cincinnati
area
has
a
regional
climate
climate
we've
got
some
good
neighbors
to
lean
into
and
learn
from
and
yeah
it's
an
exciting
thing.
Just
getting
underway,
also
wanted
to
mention.
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
have
seen
any
of
the
news
over
the
last
year
or
two
of
sibling
cities
initiative,
which
is
a
a
new
sort
of
domestic
analog
to
sister
cities,
which
are
sort
of
more
widely
known.
J
The
first
ones
were
Palo
Alto
and
Bloomington.
Some
folks
who
had
connections
across
those
two
cities
set
it
up
and
they're,
hosting
a
series
of
town
hall
events
between
the
two
cities,
this
this
fall
so
I
think
the
first
one
is
actually
it
might
be
tonight.
There's
there's
I
forget
when
the
first
one
is,
but
in
October
in
early
October,
like
October
10th
or
something
there's
a
there's,
a
climate
town
hall
and
I
can
find
that
I
was
trying
to
quickly
find
the
press
release
for
that.
J
But
I
failed
before
starting
to
speak,
so
I'll
find
that
and
circulate
it
with
folks,
maybe
of
Interest.
That's
gonna
be
hosted
at
the
Monroe
County
library
and
have
some
like
small
group,
breakout
kind
of
discussion
and
sort
of
peer
exchange
across
cities
and
just
learning
what
what's
working?
What
challenges
are
on
on
the
climate
front
I
know,
there's
a
high
school
youth
group.
J
Actually
that's
been
driving
that
forward
in
Palo
Alto
in
part
and
have
been
connecting
with
Vicky
vincare,
who
is
a
Palo
Alto
city,
council,
member
and
one
of
the
founders
with
the
sibling
cities
initiative
to
try
to
help
her
understand
the
climate
landscape
here
and
and
facilitate
connections
with
folks
and
in
particular,
I
know
about
high
school
student.
Joining
us
in
the
back.
J
I
was
not
currently
connected
with
any
High
School
initiatives
in
Bloomington
area,
but,
like
would
love
to
hear
more
about
maybe
after
the
meeting
about
what's
going
on
at
the
environmental
Club
in
Bloomington,
High,
School,
South
I
know
some
years
ago,
I
was
we
had
members
of
the
youth
environmental
sustainability
society,
which
was
started
at
Bloomington
High
School
North
worked
with
the
commission
a
little
bit
on
a
resolution
before
the
city
council,
so
might
be
a
good
thing
to
connect
on.
So
yeah
just
wanted
folks
to
be
aware
of
that
final
note.
J
I
know
I've
mentioned
it
a
few
times
in
in
past
meetings
and
then
we've
sort
of
been
on
pause
with
the
boarding
commission
review
and
reforms
that
this
Council
was
looking
at.
As
we
had
a
change
in
membership
of
our
committee,
we
finally
finally
scoped
some
shared
meeting
availability
and
starting
Thursday
night.
This
week
we
are
reconvening
twice
monthly,
trying
to
wrap
up
some
boarding
commission
reform
recommendations
for
the
council
by
the
end
of
the
year
that
they
could
consider
legislation
around.
J
That's
all
based
on
an
organizational
assessment
from
a
Consulting
Group
about
our
boards
and
commissions,
as
I
mentioned
before.
One
of
the
key
recommendations
of
concern
to
this
group
is
the
possibility
of
combining
the
commission
on
sustainability
and
the
environmental
Commission
we've
heard
from
from
folks
about
that,
including
David
I.
Think
at
one
of
our
meetings
is
that
right
and
as
I
mentioned
before,
I
anticipate
having
a
dedicated
meeting
to
this
topic.
J
So
that's
not
what
this
meeting
Thursday
is
about:
we're
kind
of
getting
councilman
revolent
up
to
speed
and
the
committee
work,
but
sometime
within
the
next
month
or
so
I
anticipate
having
a
dedicated
meeting
that
we
would
invite
because
and
EC
members
to,
as
well
as
staff,
to
weigh
in
with
thoughts
on
on
that
proposal.
Pros
cons,
ways
this
might
proceed
if
it
was
pursued.
J
So
just
a
reminder
to
be
on
the
lookout
for
that
I'll
be
sure
to
reach
out
to
the
mission
when
the
with,
when
we
have
a
date
nailed
down
and
I,
think
that
is
all
for
me
happy
to
answer
questions.
If
folks
have
them.
K
J
Would
say
those
aren't
set
up
yet.
So
all
we
really
have
is
the
the
shell
of
the
local
government
resourcing
and
support
and
and
then
a
steering
committee
but
I
think
it's
a
good
question.
An
important
one
and
and
yeah
I'll
try
to
make
sure
that
I'm
at
least
one
voice
there
for
ensuring
that
there's
a
a
strong
equity
and
Justice
lens
in
our
work,
whether
that's
a
dedicated
working
group
or
some
other
structure
but
yeah.
G
J
Too
yeah
yeah
anyways
my
ears
per
cups,
no
I,
don't
know
enough.
Maybe
Sean
does
that
was
and
maybe
Baxter
at
some
point
too.
There
were
multiple
of
the
larger
kind
of
folks
in
the
in
the
pharmaceutical
and
and
medical
device
spaces
who,
who
I
I
know
had
gone
through
some
real
work
with
their
cafeterias
to
have
composting
available
and
reduce
food
waste.
So
I
had
I'm,
not
real
sure
the
details.
I
bet
Joe.
When
you
probably
knows
back
there
and
you
probably
chat
with.
H
Yeah,
there
are
new
options
for
that,
like
what
you
do,
you
can
collect
food
waves,
but
what
do
you
do
with
it?
Are
there
any
new
facilities
around
six
months.
D
That's
the
latest
he's
writing
up
a
draft
RFP.
D
J
B
A
Okay,
just
transition
working
group.
Do
you
have
any
reports.
K
I
A
A
Yet
but
we're
want
to
be
prepared
with
with
a
grant
when,
when
it's
available
so.
A
Together,
a
grant
for
our
compost,
captains
project.
G
On
my
side,
I
went
to
the
to
The
Climate
Leadership
Summit,
up
at
Gary,
held
by
Earth
Charter
and
sponsored
by
many
different
groups.
There
was
a
lot
of
there's,
definitely
a
definite
focus
on
solutions
for
food
waste
and
I
made
sure
to
scream
from
the
rooftops
about
bokashi.
G
For
those
of
you
that
are
not
familiar
with
Japanese
bokashi,
it
is
a
way
to
pickle
or
ferment
your
food
waste.
It's
incredible
because
of
traditional
composting.
50
of
the
nutrients
and
minerals
go
up
in
in
the
air
with
bokashi
you
keep
90
of
it.
It's
a
vastly
better
option.
You
also
get
a
t,
and
that
t
is
incredible
for
feeding
your
plants,
indoor
and
outdoor
plants.
You
can
also
even
put
if
you've
got
septic
or
just
whatever.
G
You
can
also
just
put
it
down
your
pipes
and
that
good
bacteria
actually
helps
clean
your
pipes.
So
there's
there's
plenty
of
other
benefits.
I
could
talk
about,
but
they're
numerous
people
that
came
up
to
me
and
thanked
me
for
introducing
them
to
the
with
that
being
said,
that
is
what
I
well
actually
with
that
being
said,
yeah.
That
is
what
my.
G
At
the
urban
farm
are
pursuing
heavily,
we
currently
have
a
little
pilot
program
not
connected
to
the
city
at
all
that
we're
accepting
10
neighbors.
G
And
now
we're
actually
upgrading
that
to
20
neighbors,
but
they
are
now
going
to
have
to
do
the
bokashi
themselves.
It's
five
gallon
buckets.
It's
anaerobic!
It's
where
you
layer
it
with
a
inoculated
wheat
brand
and
for
me
and
our
experience
that
is
going
to
be
the
best
way
to
combat
food
waste
because
you
get
a
beneficial
two
beneficial
products
out
of
it
and
it
is
you're
not
going
to
deal
with
the
the
Flies
because
it's
anaerobic
you're
not
going
to
deal
with
the
smell
like
you
just
sit
on
your
countertop.
G
It's
absolutely
so
next
month,
I'm
going
to
ask
my
sister
to
come
in
to
speak
quickly,
five,
ten
minutes
just
about
our
experience
with
running
this,
our
own
little
pilot
and
the
the
the
challenges
that
we've
run
into
and
why
we're
moving
away
from
just
accepting
people's
food
waste
and
now
saying,
if
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
program
you're
going
to
have
to
layer
it
yourself
and
do
all
that
so
we've.
B
G
A
lot
we've
been
doing
it
for
about
seven
half
months.
We
are
applying
for
a
grant
from
the
Indiana
Department
of
Environmental
Management,
so
that
we
can
do
a
training
session
with
as
many
people
that
are
looking
to
deal
with
their
food
waste
and
environmentally
sound
manner,
especially
with
the
Thousand
residential
customers
that
are
left
in
the
lurched
by
earthkeepers
unfortunate
demise,
and
then
next
Thursday
at
the
citizens
advisory
committee
with
the
Monroe
County
Solid
Waste
District,
which
I'm
on
as
well
I,
have
a
gentleman
named
Matt
Wasserman.
G
Who
is
going
to
be
doing
a
quick,
10-15
minute
presentation
about
bokashi,
and
it's
going
to
be
on
a
larger
scale.
He
does
it
on
a
much
larger
scale
that
ties
directly
into
Bloomington
with
their
looking
into
a
biodigester
the
city.
Looking
into
that
with
the
bile
digester,
they
have
three
levels:
the
first
level.
If
we
didn't
get
enough
high
strength,
organic
waste,
it
would
be
a
million
dollar
loss
a
year
which
doesn't
sound
like
a
smart
investment.
G
They
get
more
hsow
than
it
would
be
a
break
even
if
they
got
a
ton
of
hsow
which
would
end
up
in
the
past.
Most
likely
transporting
waste
doesn't
make
sense,
but
then
the
city
would
be
in
the
black.
After
listening
to
individual
from
West
Lafayette
talk
about.
G
Collect
food
waste
and
it
does
go
to
the
biodigester,
so
I
think
bloomington's
better
than
West
Lafayette,
now
he's
better
than
Purdue,
but
in
this
case
they
are
kicking
our
rear
ends.
So
I
think
it's
a
big
mistake
for
the
city
if
they
do
end
up
approving
the
biodigester
to
not
also
collect
food
waste.
It's
a
it's.
G
G
And
stuff
out
of
the
water
treatment
plant
yeah,
those
are
the
two
sources
but
having
to
truck
that
stuff
down.
But
then
there's
the
logistics
of
having
to
collect
all
the
food
waste
yeah.
So,
but
if
the
city
does
do
biodigester,
it's
in
my
opinion,
a
no-brainer
to
collect
food
waste
from
large
industrial
sources
cafeterias,
as
well
as
residents.
G
I,
don't
remember
they
didn't
it
didn't
seem
to
be
a
big
issue,
but
contamination
is
innately
going
to
happen,
but
that's
the
other
great
thing
about
bokashi.
If
you
bokashi
at
first,
you
can
have
your
meat
in
there.
You
can.
You
can
even
bokashi
bones.
G
We
do
it
separately,
but
you
can
have
a
lot
more
stuff
in
your
compost
if
you've,
occasia,
first
and
so
back
to
Matt
Wasserman
and
the
guy
he's
out
of
New
Jersey
doing
this
on
Industrial
scale
once
you
bokashi
it,
then
all
of
on
the
industrial
side
that
then
once
again
provides
a
product,
that's
usable,
but
then
it
goes
to
the
biodigester.
H
For
that
that
doesn't
address
the
like
plastic
contamination
or
post-consumer
I
had
a
student
do
a
survey
of
a
bunch
of
Lloyd
universities
and
how
they
handled
food
waste.
This
is
maybe
five
years
ago
when
it
looks
like
that.
You
might
do
something
and
a
lot
of
the
places
that
have
large-scale
food
waste
capture
and
composting
or
whatever
do
it
pre-consumer.
So
they
go
with
cafeteria
waste
rather
than
the
the
base.
H
That's
half
full
of
plastic
utensils
and
whatnot,
so
that
that's
like
the
low
hanging
fruit
is
get
the
the
peelings
from
the
cafeterias
and
the
orange
orange
Rises
or
whatever
and.
H
H
G
G
A
O
L
O
J
B
O
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
cover
a
little
bit
of
the
geology
for
mostly
Bloomington
Monroe
County.
You
had
asked
me
a
number
of
questions
and
when
your
questions
came
out,
this
was
disjointed
in
that
disjointed,
which
meant
that
maybe
it
would
be
a
good
time
for
everybody
to
get
a
little
summary
of
the
geology
of
the
area
that
we
live
in,
so
that
you
know
we're
all
talking
about
about
the
same
thing.
O
O
So
this
is
the
Bedrock
geologic
map
of
Indiana,
and
this
this
one
over
here
shows
surfacial
material,
that's
laying
on
top
of
it,
and
this
is
the
way
geologists
typically
think
about
things
we
think
about
the
rock
or
we
think
about
the
unconsolidated
material.
That's
on
top
of
it.
The
colors
over
here
for
the
Bedrock
are
related
to
the
age
of
the
Rocks.
O
O
B
O
Take
those
rocks
that
are
bent
up
like
this
and
we
cut
them
off.
You
know
we
just
Shear
them
off
across
the
top
you'll
see
that
you
end
up
getting
changes
in
the
pattern
of
the
rocks
on
each
side,
side
of
the
Santa
client.
Well,
the
anacline
can
be
like
this
or
the
anticline
can
be
actually
tilted
and
if
it's
tilted
and
we
cut
it
off,
then
what
it
ends
up
doing
is
making
a
U-shaped
pattern
on
the
ground.
So
Indiana
is
essentially
an
anticline
with
a
U-shaped
pattern
that.
O
O
O
So
there's
the
Illinois
Basin
here,
Michigan
Basin
here
Appalachian
Basin
here,
and
what
I
want
you
to
do
is
think
about
this
basiness
think
about
a
whole
bunch
of
nested
mixing
bowls
essentially
flare
indexing,
mixing
bowls
where
one
fits
inside
of
the
other
and
fits
inside
of
the
other
and
fits
in
until
there's
no
space
left
and
that's
what
the
Illinois
Basin
is,
and
these
rocks
get
to
be
12
000
some
feet
deep
in
that
in
that
area.
So
there's
a.
O
About
the
geology
of
Indiana
is
through
physiographic
provinces,
and
this
essentially
looks
at
more
of
the
topography,
and
so
the
northern
part
of
the
state
are
broken
into
a
number
of
places.
It's
all
pretty
much
flat
land
and
then
it's
down
here
in
the
South,
where
we
have
two
glacial
boundaries.
We
have
this
glacial
boundary
right
here
and
that's
the
glacial
boundary
about
130
to
160
000
years
ago,
then
there's
another
glacial
boundary.
B
O
Here-
and
this
is
the
glacial
boundary
known
as
the
Wisconsin
and
the
last
glacial
maximum,
which
was
about
24
000
years
ago,
only
the
very
northern
part
of
Monroe
county
is
glaciated.
So,
to
put
this
in
perspective,
when
you
go
up
the
hill
going
from
Martinsville
up
to
the
top
of
the
hill
you're
at
this,
this
boundary
right
here
and
go
about
a
quarter
mile
farther
north.
O
From
now
on,
you
can
wave
at
the
last
glacial
maximum
at
24
000
years
ago.
We
can
look
at
the
Topography
of
the
area
where
we
live
in
and
we
have
the
Upland
areas,
that's
known
as
the
Norman
Upland.
This
is
sort
of
the
Borden
we're
getting
over
into
Brown
County
area.
We
have
this
middle
area,
which
is
known
as
the
Mitchell
Plateau,
which
is
mostly
our
limestones,
and
then
we
have
the
Indiana
Uplands
area,
which
the
geologists
call
the
Crawford
Upland
and
the
Crawford
Uplands,
essentially
inhibited
Sands
and
shales
and
stuff
like
that.
O
O
The
glaciers
didn't
wipe
out
the
topography
up
here,
just
covered
it.
It
still
just
as
rugged
up
there
as
as
it
would
be,
would
be
down
in
here
and
so
we're
going
from
when
we're
here
in
Monroe
County
we're
going
from
this
Norman
Upland
the
High
River
Hills
and
relief
that
are
over
in
Brown
County
to
the
lowland
area,
the
where
we
are
right
now
and
into
the
upper
Highland
areas
as
we
get
farther
to
to
the
West,
and
so
next
just
hit
the
clicker.
And
if
you
do
this,
you
look
at
where.
O
If
we
go
from
west
to
east
here's,
the
Mitchell
plain
it
generally
consists
of
limestone.
That
has
a
whole
bunch
of
sinkholes
and
other
things.
And
then,
when
you
look
off
to
the
West,
you
get
the
Upland
areas
into
Monroe
County
this.
This
change
in
Topography
is
called
the
Springville
rise,
and
then
this
is
the
Crawford
Upland,
where
the
Indiana
Uplands
in
that
area,
all
right.
So
that's
how
the
geology
changes.
Okay!
So
now
we've
got
a
real
geologic
map
and
got
away
from
a
cartoon.
O
So
this
is
a
geologic
map
of
Monroe
County
and
there
are
a
lot
of
colors
on
here
and
a
lot
of
wines
and
other
things,
and
let
me
just
explain
them
just
just
a
little
bit.
First
of
all,
the
colors,
the
colors,
represent
different
Rock
units,
and
these
are
the
rock
units
over
here
with
the
Brown
County
Stone
being
essentially
the
Borden
rocks,
and
those
are
those
ones
that
you
can
see
up
here
in
the
gray
and
then
on
top
of
that
is
the
Harrodsburg
and
Ramp
Creek
formation.
O
The
Ramp
Creek
is
the
one
where
all
the
geodes
show
up
all
right.
So
that's
it
and
the
Salem
limestone
is
our
world
famous
Indiana
limestone
with
that,
and
then
we
have
Saint
Genevieve
Paoli
in
West
Baden.
They
don't
mean
anything
to
you,
they're
only
ways
that
we
can
talk
about
things
all
right.
We
just
give
names
to
us,
so
we
can
talk
about
it.
But
if
you
look
at
how
the
geology
changes,
we
essentially
have
the
Borden
and
then
we
go
to
younger
and
younger
and
younger
rocks
as
we
move
to
the
Southwest.
O
So
there's
essentially
a
strike
going
north
northwest,
South
Southeast
and
then
the
trend
of
the
Rocks
is
changing
going
down
to
the
Southwest
like
this.
So
this
is
the
lowland
area
in
here
higher
topography
here
and
then
the
high
high
Upland
areas
in
into
the
Southwest
in
that
direction.
Next,
one
please,
we
have
a
fault
that
runs
along
the
very
Western
or
Eastern
edge
of
Monroe
County.
You
just
jump
the
head
real
fast
on
me,
but
that's
all
right,
it's
known
as
the
Mount
Carmel
fault
and
then
on
to
the
Eastern
side.
O
The
Leesville
anacline
is
a
slight
anacondyl
Bend
in
the
rocks
in
that
area,
and
so
in
the
early
1900s
people
put
drill
holes
into
that,
because
anakines
are
great
places
to
find
natural,
gas
and
petroleum
and
they
drilled
down
some
750
feet
and
they
found
natural
gas
and
petroleum
deposits
quickly
depleted
it.
But
now
today
what
we
do
is
we
bring
natural
gas
up
from
the
southwest
and
we
pump
it
into
the
ground
during
the
summer
months
so
that
we
can
pull
it
back
out
during
the
winter
months
along
the
Leesville
ad
climb.
O
Go
so
this
is
a
cross-section
line,
so
what
I
want
you
to
think
about?
This
is
we're
going
to
dig
it
a
very
deep
trance
right
along
that
line
and
we're
going
to
hop
down
in
there
and
we're
going
to
look
at
the
Rocks
this
way
and
if
we
look
at
the
Rocks
this
way
next
one
please
there's
the
cross
section.
So
here's
the
Mount
Carmel
fault
where
it
crosses
the
fault.
Then
this
is
the
Lee's
villianic
line
and
notice.
There's
one
big
color
here,
because
the
Borden
group
is
700
650
to
700
feet
thick.
O
O
Mostly
a
fine,
it's
first
of
all,
it's
a
fine
green
Sandstone
at
the
top,
and
then
it
changes
into
the
shell
as
you
go
farther
down
and
then
gets
into
a
really
dense
shell
as
you
get
down
into
the
New
Providence
farther
down
next
one,
please,
okay!
So
how
do
we
understand
this?
Well,
we
do
this
by
getting
out
in
the
field,
and
this
is
a
map
over
here
in
the
side
of
some
geologic
mapping
that
I
was
doing
years
ago.
O
Those
are
all
my
outcrops,
and
so
we
we
collect
a
lot
of
outcrops
and
just
go
up
and
down
every
stream
that
you
can
kind
of
do
and
we
find
and
we
get
accurate
elevations
using
GPS
and
activated
locations
Associated
for
each
of
the
stratigraphic
units.
Next
one
please,
where
we
need
data,
we
go
ahead
and
we
drill
holes
in
the
ground.
O
We
wanted
to
be
able
to
get
better
better
control
from
from
the
course
next
one
we
generally
drone
the
top
of
the
Hills
and
we
like
to
drill
by
water
towers,
because
water
towers
have
been
top
of
the
hills
and
also
they
have
water
and
we
need
water
to
drill,
and
so
we
generally
drill
a
200
foot
hole.
This
is
the
Van
Buren
Water
Tower
down
off
of
Leonard
Springs
Road
next
one.
Please
we
get
things
like
this.
O
O
So
we
can
learn
more
about
the
characteristics
and
properties
of
The
Rock,
and
then
we
take
them
into
the
laboratory
next
and
we
spend
hours
and
hours
and
hours
describing
inch
by
inch
by
inch
and
so
the
Indiana
Geological
Survey
has
a
core
Library,
just
like
you
would
have
rocks
and
all
of
these
cores
in
Monroe
County
in
our
library
and
they're
freely
available
for
anybody
to
go
ahead
and
look
at
okay.
Next.
O
What
we're
going
to
do
is
look
at
a
cross
section
right
here,
so
we're
going
to
go
from
core
to
core
to
chord
to
core
to
core,
and
then
we
go
to
the
next
one,
and
you
see
this
shows
the
topography,
and
so
here
we
are
going
to
the
Southwest
we've
described
each
one
of
these
rocks.
The
yellows
are
mostly
Sands.
The
blues
are
limestones,
the
the
purples
are
are
Dola
stones
and
then
what
we
do
is
we
know
the
formation,
so
we
next
one
we
correlate
them.
O
So
this
is
the
famous
Indiana
Limestone
see
how
blocky
it
is
boy
you
want
to
carve
that
out
of
the
ground
and
you
can
get
it
out
of
the
ground
here,
but
by
the
time
you
get
over
into
here.
It's
way
too
deep.
It's
hundreds
of
feet
feet
below
the
ground,
and
with
that,
so
you
can
see
the
rocks
are
dipping
to
the
Southwest
next
one,
please,
okay,
let's
see
it's
about
three
miles
and
it's
dipping
about
a
hundred
feet.
So,
if
I
divide
three
into
100,
that's
somewhere
around
33
feet
per
mile,
so.
O
O
So
this
is
the
stone
that's
out
of
cars
park
and
farther
farther
to
the
West
in
the
middle
of
it
happens
to
be
a
coral
Horizon
and
we've
now
hung
all
of
our
cores,
starting
from
what
Owen
County
clear
down
to
Orange
County
on
that
Coral
Horizon,
and
you
can
see
that
there's
a
very
distinct
difference
in
the
geology
above
and
below
that
Coral
Horizon.
O
This
is
Leonard
Springs,
and
this
is
the
cave.
When
you
come
down
the
stairs
and
right
across
through
the
top
of
this
is
the
coral
Horizon,
so
you
can
see
it
their
finger
corals.
They
stick
out
like
this
they're
solicified
and
so
that
it's
a
it's
a
worldwide
sea
level
rise
actually
and
we're
documenting
our
rocks
in
this
area.
Next
one
please,
we
get
it
in
core
here.
O
They
are
here,
's
another
core
they're
in
here
and
if
you
want
to
really
trace
it,
a
little
bit
farther
keep
going
the
entrance
to
Spring
Mill.
So
the
next
time
you
get
down
to
Spring
Mill
just
park
over
here,
as
you
go
into
the
entrance
and
walk
on
over,
and
you
can
see
the
curls
that
are
exposed
and
I.
Think
I
have
another
picture
right
about
next
one.
Please
there
they
are
so
there's
a
it's
called
acrosiathus
proliferensis.
O
O
And
joints
are
essentially
cracks
in
the
Rock,
but
they're
not
a
fault,
so
there's
no
offsetting
on
them
and
we
have
a
fairly
pervasive
jointing
system
that
runs
about
80
to
85
degrees.
It
goes
east
west
and
we
have
another
jointing
system
that
runs
pretty
much
north
south
and
this
shows
different
Rose
diagrams
from
all
over
different
parts
of
the
state.
This
is
out
at
McCormick's
Creek.
This
is
the
St
Louis.
This
is
the
East-West
jointing
system.
This
is
the
north
south
and
you
see
what
it's
doing.
O
So
when
you
want
to
you
know
this,
you
can
move
water
through
the
The
Rock
itself,
but
it's
much
easier
to
move
water
along
the
joints
and
so
in
the
subsurface.
A
lot
of
our
cars,
as
well
as
our
caves,
follow
the
more
prevalent
East-West
jointing
system
out
of
the
two
next.
O
This
this
is
really
cool.
This
is
an
old
photograph
from
the
early
1900s
of
the
what's
it
called
Hunter
Hunter
Corey.
This
is
Arlington
Road,
and
this
is
that
area
north
of
northwest
of
the
bypass
where
the
county
is
looking
into
making
a
limestone
Park.
O
This
is
what
it
looked
like
in
the
early
early
1900s
and
what
they
were
doing
was
systematically
moving
from
west
to
east,
as
they
were,
cutting
the
stone
out
of
the
ground
and
what
they
were
doing
over
here
was
getting
themselves
ready
for
a
new
area,
unfortunately
how
they
were
doing
that
was
using
water
to
wash
the
soil
off
into
Stout
Creek.
We
don't
want
to
do
that
today,
but
the
reason
I
put
this
up
is
I.
Wanted
you
to
see
this
relief
on
the
surface
of
the
limestone.
O
We
think
about
the
rock
being
flat
underneath
us,
but
it's
not.
It
has
a
lot
of
relief
to
it,
and
this
is
that
prevalent,
East-West
jointing
system.
Out
of
the
whole
thing.
Next
one
will
get
a
nice
close-up
of
it.
That's
what
it
looked
like,
I'm,
guessing
that
this
is
probably
Salem.
This
would
be
St
Louis,
Limestone
up
here
and
I'll.
Show
you
why,
in
just
a
second
okay.
B
O
Here's
aggregate
coring
Coring
in
our
area.
This
is
the
Rogers
Quarry.
The
airport
is
sitting
right
in
here.
O
What
they're
doing
is
they're
going
down
through
this,
this
solicit
Classics
of
of
Sandstone
Shields
and
some
coals
and
they're
going
down
to
try
to
get
this
unit
right
here,
which
is
the
Saint
Genevieve
Synergy,
Saint,
Genevieve
Limestone.
So
next
picture
please
and.
I
O
O
The
idea
for
that
is
they
want
to
break
this
up
into
little
small
pieces
and
sell
it
as
aggregate,
and
so
that's
a
very
different
in
the
dimension
stone
quarry
where
you
want
to
carve
the
rock
out
and
keep
it
as
a
big
big
block
all
right
next,
one,
please,
okay,
so
this
is
dimension.
Stone
coring,
here's
that
Hunter
Cory
area
that
I
showed
you
just
a
little
while
ago.
This
is
the
read
Quarry.
This
was
the
Star
Quarry
it's
now
abandoned
and
what
they're
doing
is
they're
going
through
the
St
Louis
Limestone.
O
O
L
B
O
There
is
really
good
Stone
there,
there's
really
good
Stone
there,
because
people
have
put
quarries
there
and
across
from
the
century
Corey.
Now
these
big
subdivision
over
here,
so
that
stone
is
no
longer
available
to
our
nation,
because
we
put
a
bunch
of
houses
on
top
of
it,
nobody's
going
to
be
able
to
buy
those
those
houses
anymore.
O
O
This
is
farther
south,
so
here's
37
I
guess
37
coming
south
I
can't
get
37
out
of
my
brain
anymore.
This
is
the
crown
Quarry
it's
abandoned.
This
is
the
breaking
away
core.
It
used
to
be
sitting
right
here
before
they
filled
it
in
the
Adams.
Quarry
is
active
right
at
the
moment.
This
is
independent
Limestone,
and
this
is
Victor
olitick.
B
O
But
as
soon
as
you
lose
that
cover
of
St
Louis,
you
get
these
very
deep
erosion
areas
that
are
that
are
we
call
them
grikes
the
the
industry
calls
them
the
mud
seams.
You
can
imagine
everybody
who
has
a
house
on
the
Salem
Limestone
has
this
underneath.
O
O
There,
what
really
is
it?
This
is
what
it
looks
like
underneath.
So
you've
got
to
divorce
yourself
from
thinking
of
Flat
Rock
underneath
the
ground
next,
one
please,
okay,
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
little
I
can't
got
to
give
you
history,
so
this
is
where
we
are
340
billion
years
ago,
Indiana
was
10
to
15
degrees,
south
of
the
Equator
at
that
time,
and
we're
going
to
go
in
our
way
back
machine.
Here's
what
it
looked
like.
O
O
B
O
This
is
what
it
was
and
then
what
happens
is
the
sand
gets
over
into
Lagoon
in
the
in
the
Mississippian?
This
had
all
bryozoans
in
an
animal
living
in
here
today.
It's
grasses,
so
it's
an
entirely
different
thing,
but
this
is
kind
of
what
it
looks
like
in
the
Bahamas
and
you
can
think
about
mentally
what
it
looked
like
here,
340
million
years
ago,
next,
one
please,
okay,
so
this
is
this
is
independent.
O
This
is
Rockport
road
going
down
through
through
here
and
when
we
go
farther
to
the
West,
we
start
to
get
those
solicit
Classics
sitting
up
on
top
top
of
the
hill.
What.
O
Notice
all
the
sinkholes,
where
the
carbonate
is
but
where
the
the
solicit
classic
is
the
sequels
just
disappear
on
top
of
that,
so
where
the
carbonates
exposed
is
where
we
get
a
lot
of
sequels
and
now
today
we
have
this
wonderful
thing
called
lidar,
which
means
you
have
a
brand
new
pair
of
glasses
that
you
can
see
the
Earth
with
so
the
next
one
is
shows
the
same
thing
with
the
lidar,
and
you
can
see
the
Quarry
here.
You
can
see
all
the
sinkholes
and
other.
O
Trying
to
do
any
kind
of
infrastructure
in
in
that
area
with
that
I
can
almost
make
a
geologic
map
by
playing
connect
the
dots
with
the
sinkholes.
So
if
you
start
over
here
and
you
start
playing
connect
the
dots
with
all
these
sinkholes,
as
you
run
around
here,
this
is
the
Paoli
limestone
and
then
you
can
just.
L
O
You
know
where
the
carbonate
is
because
the
sinkholes
show
up
there
next
one
please,
this
is
north
of
town,
so
this
is
going
out
of
town,
here's
37
or
69
now
and
old.
37
is
a
little
too
close.
O
That
occur
in
the
in
the
Harrodsburg
and
Ramp
Creek.
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
one,
please
you
can
see
on
the
top
of
the
hill
there.
Here's
the
road
going
north
out
of
town.
There
are
some
little
sinkholes
but
they're
a
little
bit
different
because
they
don't
go
quite
as
deep
because
they
go
down
and
they
hit
that
sandstone
and
when
they
hit
that
Sandstone.
The
water
follows
along
the
sandstone
and
goes
out
right
at
the
boundary
between
the
carbonate
and
the
Sandstone.
O
L
O
O
This
is
this:
is
the
Brown
County
stone
or
what
we
call
the
boarding
group?
This
is
the
ramp
Creek
that
has
the
geodes
in
it,
and
this
is
the
Harrodsburg
Limestone.
So
there's
a
distinct
pattern
that
goes
on
over
and
over
again,
it
is
dipping
to
the
Southwest
at
30
to
30
feet
per
mile.
But
if
you
do
the
tangent
on
that,
it's
0.4
degrees
you're
not
going
to
see
it
at
an
outcrop,
so
you've
got
to
go
from
spot
to
spot
to
spot.
Okay,
excellent,
here's,
your
takeaway!
O
The
rocks
are
exposed
in
most
of
Monroe
County
because
because
only
the
northern
part
of
the
county
was
glaciated,
I
was
trying
to
remember
what
I
wrote,
rocks
and
Monroe
County
strike
North
Northwest
South
Southeast.
They
did
about
30
to
35
feet
per
mile.
So
as
we
go
from
the
northeastern
part
of
the
county
across
to
the
Southwest,
we're
going
to
see
a
systematic
change
in
the
geology
between
those,
the
vertical
fault
occurs
with
the
general
incline
Limestone
dissolves,
it
always
does
rain
water
comes
down,
it
interacts
with
the
soil.
O
It
creates
carbonic
acid
and
helps
dissolve
the
Limestone
away.
Consider
relief
can
occur
on
a
limestone
surface
in
various
forms
of
what's
called
epicars.
There's
the
finger
Coral
acrosythus
proliferesis
you're,
going
to
remember
that
one,
that's
an
important
one.
We
can
trace
it
for
everywhere.
Quarry
operators
Place
their
Quarry,
where
they
can
get
the
rock
they
need.
I.
Think
that's
an
important
one.
To
remember
is
that
they're,
just
not
willy-nilly
I.
Think
I've
got
this
piece
of
ground
I!
Think.
O
They're
going
where
they
get
the
the
stuff
that
they
need.
Lastly,
you
you're
I,
don't
need
to
be
here.
Your
senior
environmental
planner
for
the
city
of
Bloomington
is
a
geologist.
Linda
Thompson
is
a
geologist
and
at
one
time
she
worked
at
the
survey
and
next
slide.
Please
she
made
this
map
showing
that
the
distribution
of
the
Salem
limestone
in
1991..
So
if
you
want
to
maintain
Indiana
as
the
nation's
Indiana
limestone
is
the
nation's
Building
Stone.
O
B
H
Fascinating,
thank
you
very.
Very
cool
I
was
down
that
near
that
on
the
independence
mine
I
think
it
was
I
was
talking
the
landowner
down
there,
who
said
that
somebody
was
cutting
Limestone
underground,
so
basically
dug
a
big
hole
and
cut
sideways
in
that
Salem
Bedrock.
Is
that
common
that
you
can
do
that?
It's.
O
Got
to
be
deep
enough
right:
the
first
underground
Quarry
for
Salem
Limestone
started
down
in
in
Eureka
down
in
Lawrence,
County
and
now
poly
Corps,
which
owns
the
victory
related
Quarry,
is
Going
Underground.
Also
with
that,
you
generally
need
at
least
100
150
feet
of
relief
above
you,
but
it's
it's
a
tried
and
true
technique.
H
H
Places
where
they
put
subdivisions
on
top
of
I'm,
a
soil
scientist
so
like
putting
it
on
top
of
a
good
good
quality
resource
is
always
frustrating.
Can
they
go
underneath
any
subdivisions?
Does
that
change
like
legally?
Can
you.
H
O
O
Q
With
the
with
this
slide,
you
said
that
we,
where
the
exposed
part
of
the
Bedrock
there's
an
anticline
and
an
East-West
jointing,
did
you
say
where
are
we
at
risk
for
groundwater
pollution
or
runoff
or
I
mean?
Where
is
the
Anna
client
that
would
expose
us
to
agricultural
pollution
or
Indianapolis
yeah.
O
O
I
gotta
go
strip
all
the
the
unconsolidated
material.
That
same
pattern
continues
to
the
north,
but
you're
getting
increasing
amounts
of
of
unconsolidated
material.
On
top
of
that,
and
certainly
when
you
get
into
the
tills,
you
know
it's
less
less
permeable
and
it's
it's
harder
to
work
work.
You
know
get
material
down
through
it,
but
down
in
here
you
know.
The
tills
and
stuff
are
only
like
25
feet
thick,
but
then
you
get
up
and
400
feedback.
B
L
D
O
O
O
O
You
know
so
now
you're
worried
about
contaminating
a
spring
and
we
have
a
website
that
shows
shows
where
Springs
come
out
and
the
the
connection
underneath
the
ground.
So
it's
amazing
sometimes
that
that
the
you
know
you
drop
something
underground
here
and
20
miles
away,
is
where
it's
going
to
come
up.
Yeah.
H
H
B
M
L
One
but.
O
I
can
I
can
think
of
certain
things.
You
know.
First
of
all,
you
know
you
are
reliant
on
your
water
coming
from
a
spring
and
you
have
a
drought
condition.
You
know
you're
not
supplying
water
to
that
to
to
the
household
associating
with
that
I
mean
mostly
As.
We
just
pointed
out
for
us
where
we
are
we're
getting
everything
from
the
reservoir.
So
it's
more
important
where
those
drops
of
water
is
go
into
into
Monroe
Lake
than
than.
P
M
Thought
about
doing
a
mapping
system
for
vulnerable
communities
in
Indiana.
Is
this
something
that
you
know
has
already
been
done?
I
know,
like
other
states,
have
done
this
mapping
system
to.
Let
us
know
which
communities
are
more
vulnerable.
O
Of
the
federal
grants
that
we
we
go
for
now
require
us
to
follow
the
justice,
40
initiative
and
some
of
the
programs
that
we
are
doing.
We
have
to
we're,
bringing
in
the
polis
Center
or
the
Center
for
Rural
engagement
to
help
us
with
with
those
issues.
O
The
justice
40
is
a
big
Broad,
all-encompassing
issue,
and
a
lot
of
us
are
having
a
little
trouble
with
it
because
you
know
putting
a
cement
plan
in
Mitchell.
Is
there
a
vulnerable
Community
there?
How
far
away
does
somebody
have
to
be
to
be
a
vulnerable
Community?
You
know
those
are.
Those
are
issues
that
that
are
being
addressed.
The
doe
has
put
a
wonderful
website
together
to
help
out
with
understanding
most
of
that
sorry,
one
more
yeah,
it's
okay,
I'll.
Q
Be
here
as
long
as
you
guys,
you
brought
up
the
it
sounded
like
you
were
in
favor
of
preserving
the
Quarry
areas
instead
of
building
residential
areas
around
them,
so
that
we
could
still
have
access
to
the
stone.
What
what
would
you?
What
is
your
concern
from
a
sustainability
perspective?
Is
there
any
benefit
to
the
community,
a
large
of
having
those
outside
of
just
the
stone
resource.
O
It
is
a
stone
resource,
so
that's
it.
It's
a
it's
a
mineral
resource
that
that
is,
that
is
very
recognizable
that
comes
from
our
area.
It.
B
O
I
used
to
say
we
had
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
years
of
reserves,
but
with
the
rapid
expansion
around
the
margins
of
Bloomington
and
most
of
that,
rapid
expansion
is,
is
moving
over
top
of
viable
Stone.
Here's
a
good
example
too:
let's
talk
about
the
the
prison
that
was
going
to
go
down
there
off
of
on
off
69
and
tap
tap.
Thank
you.
That
was
the
next
road
down.
Wasn't
it
prison
was
next
down
back
up
on
one
on
my
map.
Go
to
my
map
at
the
end
and
show
you
the
property:
can.
A
O
Keep
going
keep
going
we're
going
to
go
down
to
some
of
my
maps
when
we're
showing
the
quarries
I
want
to
get
down
to
the
one
that
had
Maple
Hill
on
it
go
get
close
one
more
Dimension,
Stone
away
there.
We
go
okay
back
up
one
okay,
so
this
is
where
the
prison
was
planning
on
going,
and
so
this
is
what's
happening.
O
You
know
so
there's
an
example
of
of
a
land
use
issue
that
you
know
the
Quarry
operator
knows
that
they're
running
out
of
land
and
they
come
and
talk
to
me
and
say:
where
can
we
get?
You
know,
get
more
quarries
and
they're
certainly
not
going
to
go
this
way
anymore.
O
They
could
go
this
way.
I.
Think
I
was
the
only
one
who
commented
on
the
website
about
you
know.
Did
anybody
think
about
the
natural
resource?
That's
underneath
that
ground
I
think
I
was
totally
ignored,
but
that's
not
that's
just
an
example
of
of
you
know
this.
This
resource
will
essentially
be
a
deal.
Obviously
it's
not
going
there,
but.
Q
O
You
know
Cory's
make
big
holes
in
the
ground.
Limestone
is
a
Tums
tablet,
so
it's
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
than
quarrying.
You
know
like,
or
mining
coal
and
other
kind
of
stuff.
Where
you're
getting
you
know,
you
know,
abandoned
mine,
lands,
fluids
and
stuff.
Like
that,
you
know
it's
pretty
Anonymous
I
think
the
one
thing
I
would
like
the
query.
Operators
do
is
clean
up
after
themselves
a
little
bit
more.
O
O
O
O
J
As
a
building
material,
do
you
see
this
as
like
a
more
climate-friendly
alternative
because
of
what
it's
displacing?
Potentially
it's
displacing.
O
Concrete
right,
yeah,
the
probably
the
you
know,
concrete
concrete
itself
is
the
seventh
largest
polluter
in
the
world.
You
know
making
concrete,
because
you
know
essentially
you're
taking
calcium
carbonate
and
you're
driving
the
oxygen
off,
so
you
have
caco
and
then
what
you're
going
to
do
is
add
it
back
with
water
again,
you
know,
but
it
takes
a
lot
of
heat
and
energy
to
drive
that
oxygen
off,
and
so
you
know,
I'm
simplifying
a
process
here
very
much
but
yeah.
O
It's
it's
it's
an
issue,
so
we
have
a
project
at
the
Geological
Survey
right
now,
that's
funded
by
the
doe.
Where
we're
looking
at
the
potential
of
carbon
capture
and
sequestration
at
the
Mitchell
plant,
you
know
I
had
a
bird
plant
down
at
Mitchell.
O
G
The
Quarry
that
was
no
longer
being
mined.
Why
would
this
company
if
the
prison
had
been
placed
there?
Why
would
they
just
not
move
to
that
Corridor?
Why
would
a
Corey?
Why
would
somebody
stop
pulling
out
Limestone.
O
Well,
there's
a
lot
of
economic
reasons,
and
it's
it's
gone
like
this
through
time
when
you
look
at
what's
happened,
you
know
the
glass
and
steel
era
in
the
1960s
was
really
hard
on
the
Limestone
industry.
That's
why
we
got
all
those
little
Limestone
houses
around
our
place,
because
somebody
had
to
move
away
from.
You
know,
building
larger
buildings
and
they
had
to
keep
the
sustainable.
You
know
practice
going
on
for
them
with
it.
O
O
O
O
A
Okay,
we're
gonna
move
into
resolutions
for
second,
so
I.
B
K
Oh
yeah,
do
we
want
to
pull
yeah?
We
should
probably
pull
that
up
the
handout
yeah
okay.
So,
hopefully
everyone
saw
my
email
I
sent
last
week
as
a
reminder
that
tonight
I've
asked
because
to
vote
on
endorsing
the
letter
in
this
handout,
which
is
the
very
last
page
page.
Three.
K
Oh
I
got
the
number:
is
there
whatever
page
that
is
yeah,
so
I
think
we
read
this
in
the
last
meeting.
Hopefully
everyone's
reviewed
it
as
well
outside
of
the
meeting
and
as
a
reminder,
the
the
you
know.
The
main
reasons
why
I'm
asking
because
to
endorse
this
report
is
because
I
I
believe
that
the
problems
identified
in
the
public
safety
report
point
to
a
lot
point
to
a
lot
of
the
same
problems
that
overlap
with
sustainability.
K
Specifically,
some
of
the
main
causes
of
pollution
within
our
city
limits
are
from
people
who
are
living
in
non-traditional
living
areas,
and
you
know,
have
no
choice
but
to
cause
the
pollution
they're,
causing,
presumably
as
well
as
a
frequent
I'm,
not
sure
how
this
ranks
as
far
as
like
top
sources
of
pollution.
But
a
frequent
perception
in
Bloomington
when
you
think
about
environmental
sustainability
are
also
the
drug
needles.
K
People
mention
that
are
that
are
disposed
of
by
drug
users
around
the
city,
and
these
are
two
very
specific
causes
of
unsustainability
that
our
report
addresses
and
ask
the
city
to
address
in
a
more
strategic
way.
As
a
reminder,
the
the
Crux
of
the
the
reason
why
the
report
suggests
a
new
Department
of
Community
safety
and
resilience
is
because
in
our
Outreach,
which
included
a
systems
Gap
analysis.
K
Speaking
with
the
major
department
heads
of
all
the
city
departments
that
address
Public,
Safety
and
related
areas,
we
found
that
none
of
the
departments
in
the
City
View
it
as
within
their
purview
to
coordinate
a
city-wide
strategic
response
to
resolving
these
three
threats
to
Public
Safety,
which
were
identified
equally
by
all
stakeholders
at
all
levels.
From
the
most
marginalized
people.
To
the
you
know,
main
stakeholders
in
city
government
all
agreed
that
the
top
you
know
main
three
visible
Rising
threats
to
Public
Safety
as
mental
illness,
drug
use
and
homelessness.
K
Yet
no
Department
in
the
city
viewed
it
as
within
their
purview
to
coordinate
a
strategic
response
to
ensure
these
numbers
are
going
in
the
other
direction
and,
furthermore,
our
report,
the
other
major
structural
problem,
why
we
suggest
this
new
department
is
because
we
found
all
the
other
departments
have
conflicting
goals.
K
I
shouldn't
say
all
most
of
them
have
all
other
goals,
besides
safety,
so
the
especially
the
the
safety
facing
department
so,
for
example,
think
of
Bloomington
Police
Department.
Of
course
they
prioritize
human
safety,
but
they
also
prioritize
law
enforcement,
which
are
different
goals
and
sometimes
those
goals
conflict,
and
we
found
in
our
Outreach
and
customer
customer
Community
member
stakeholder
testimony
that
in
many
cases
in
our
city,
when
those
goals
conflict,
the
public
safety.
K
The
current
Public
Safety
agencies
choose
the
goals
of
law
enforcement
over
human
safety,
particularly
when
it
concerns
the
safety
of
people
in
these
three
marginalized
groups
and
and
that's
sort
of
why
they're
safety
marginalized
as
well
right
because
their
needs
their
safety
needs,
are
not
viewed
as
priorities
by
the
existing
system.
K
So
that's
sort
of
the
Crux
of
the
findings
of
our
report,
which
included
two
years
of
quantitative
qualitative
research
systems
analysis.
You
know.
None
of
us
are
systems
experts
but
yeah.
We
had
a
Public
Safety
Town
Hall
that
included
around
40
45
members
of
the
public
as
well
as
we
did
focus
groups
at
several
of
the
homeless
shelters,
as
well
as
the
Community
Kitchen.
K
To
talk
directly
with
as
many
marginalized
folks
as
we
could
on
these
issues,
and
so
in
that
way
it
was
a
consent
based
process
in
the
way
that
we,
we
really
sought
out
the
voices
of
the
peoples
whose
lives
would
be
most
impacted
by
this
by
these
problems.
First
of
all,
and
then
by
the
solutions
that
were
that
our
commission
would
suggest
so
that
makes
it
consent
based
any
questions
or
Com
or
discussions.
H
And
the
way
explaining
it
of
you
know,
focus
on
public
safety
above
other
things
and
coordinating
response
that
that
individual
Apartments
can't
classic
systems
saying
right,
you
can
do
one.
H
H
B
K
That's
simply
because,
because
was
our
first
commission
that
we
did
Outreach
with
and
then
we
did
Outreach
subsequently
with
12
other
commissions
and
so
I've
actually
perfected.
My
pitch
a
bit
in
the
last
month.
J
Mine's
a
comment:
that's
appropriate
yeah
yeah.
If
we're
doing
both
this
time,
I
was
able
to
stick
around
for
the
the
Caps
commissioner's
report.
I
think
it
was
a
month
or
two
ago
when
you
did
but
I
sent
a
note
in
advance,
thanking
them
for
their
work
and
and
just
want
to
know.
J
I
was
at
a
a
national
convenient
of
the
of
the
group
local
progress
this
last
weekend
in
St
Louis,
and
it's
sort
of
a
local
government,
elected
leaders,
Progressive
coalitions
Nationwide
and
has
a
lot
of
had
a
lot
of
sessions
on
on
public
safety
and
policing
and
homelessness
related
topics,
and
just
like
really
incredible
learning
from
a
lot
of
leaders
from
around
the
country
on
these
issues
and
what
I
heard
there
like
resonated
very
well
with
what
the
Caps
commission
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
researching
and
Reporting
on.
J
In
particular,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
hear
from
two
council
members
from
Durham
North
Carolina
about
their
newly
created
Office
of
Public,
Safety
or
Community
safety.
I
forget
the
office
of
community
safety
and
the
four
pilot
initiatives
they
had
that
are
all
highlighted
in
the
Caps
commission
report
and
their
data-driven
approach
to
addressing
you
know,
persistent
Community
challenges
that
the
sort
of
status
quo
or
traditional
ways
of
of
dealing
with
were
not.
You
know,
adequately
improving
conditions
for
folks
and
safety,
so
it
was
really.
It
seems
like
it's
going.
J
Well,
they
they
have.
There
was
a
lot
of
resistance
at
the
time
of
creation.
J
This
inevitably
gets
wrapped
into
the
conversations
about
defunding,
the
police
and
things
like
that
or
prison
abolition
and
other
things
and
explicitly
in
caps
commissions.
Purview
I
do
want.
J
That
the
council
was
asking
them
to
look
at
non-police
Alternatives
to
things
that
might
not
be
well
suited
to
traditional
policing
in
our
Public
Safety
ecosystem
and
what
I
wanted
to
report
from
Durham
and
just
hearing
from
those
folks
is
that
there
is
much
there
is
now
pretty
widespread
community
support
from
not
only
for
elected
officials
across
the
political
Spectrum,
the
Durham
area,
but
also
the
police
force
in
Durham
others
in
city
government,
and
they
were
able
to
expand
some
of
those
pilot
programs
they're
working
towards
getting
towards
24
7
availability
of
those
programs-
they're
not
there
yet,
but
they
were
able
to
increase
funding,
expand
by
taking
this
sort
of
pilot.
J
And
then
you
know,
move
forward
type
of
approach.
So
just
one
example
of
of
some
of
the
you
know
best
practices
nationally
that
the
the
commission
was
able
to
highlight
as
a
companion
to
their.
You
know,
Community
Driven
work,
so
I
I,
just
I
think
it
was
another
moment
for
me
that
sort
of
speaks
to
endorse
the
work
with
the
commission
and
I'm.
You
know
happy
to
support
support
this
letter
in
the
reference.
K
Thanks
and
if
I
could
just
follow
that
up
to
tie
together,
because
what
you're,
what
you
addressed,
the
Department
of
Community
safety
in
Durham
focus,
is
actually
all
four
of
their
teams
aren't
focused
on
crisis
response
right,
their
crisis,
responding
teams
and
just
to
tie
it
together
to
compare
that
to
what
this
report
is
is
recommending.
K
The
report
recommends
that
the
dcsr
in
Bloomington,
of
course,
this
is
all
contingent
on
the
feasibility
study,
but
the
report
recommends
that
not
only
would
that
department,
oversee
crisis,
Community
crisis
responders
similar
to
Durham,
but
also
take
a
more
long-term
approach
to
strategically
addressing
the
gaps
that
exist,
the
barriers
that
exist,
the
obstacles
structurally,
which
so
it's
both
the
short
term
and
the
long-term
approach
right.
So
you
first,
you
want
to
minimize
harm
in
the
crisis
response,
and
you
know
we
want
to
address
short-term
needs
and
and
fulfill.
K
You
know
we
want.
We
want
people
to
have
access
to
Christ,
to
crisis
responders
and
not
be
afraid
to
call
them,
but
also
the
dcsr
in
the
report.
That's
recommended
is
also
suggests
a
data-driven
approach
to
taking
long-term
actions
to
address
these
problems
again.
In
a
strategic
way,
so
that's
the
Strategic
part
right
where
you're
looking
down
the
road
and
going
okay.
How
can
we,
you
know,
make
the
numbers
go?
The
other
direction
thanks,
Matt
and
I
would
just
point
out.
Durham
is
the
home
of
Duke
University,
another
college
town.
L
A
B
B
K
Were
three
key
recommendations
and
the
third
one
is
really
recommendations
for
the
caps
caps
commission
itself.
C
K
Second,
one
is
more
kpis,
it's
a
very
kind
of
soft
techie
kind
of
recommendation,
and
so
it's
really
just
focused
on
that
first
one,
because
that's
what
we're
focused
on
right
now
during
budget
hearings,
yeah.
K
K
Or
it
would
be
added
because
it's
already
been
endorsed
by
several
community
members.
K
B
K
It
has
been
delivered
with
several
signatures
that
include
Charlotte,
Ziegler
who's
well
known
in
Bloomington,
as
a
social
activist
as
well
as
leaders
from
Community
Kitchen
Indiana
recovery,
Alliance
Monroe
County
casa
am
I,
forgetting
the
middle
way
house
I.
L
K
Basically,
basically,
our
commission
would
be
sending
a
message-
probably
an
email
to
the
mayor,
letting
him
know
that
this
this
organization
has
endorsed
the
letter.
Okay,
yeah
got
it.
K
A
Okay,
do
I
need
a
motion,
but
here
emotion.
I
N
Matt
Flaherty,
yes,
David.
Yes,.
Q
N
Yes,
no
one's
absent,
Emma,
yes,
John!
Yes,
Jessica
is
gone
me
I
vote,
Yes,
Justin,
yes,
Heidi,
yes
and
Dennis.
N
A
A
A
Okay,
well,
then,
I
will
adjourn
our
meeting.
Our
next
meeting
is
Tuesday
October
10th
2023
at
6
PM
right
here
thanks
everyone.