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https://bloomington.in.gov/council/public-safety-advisory/meetings/2023
A
All
right
yeah,
so
as
I
mentioned
over
email
Cami
cannot
make
it
to
our
meeting
today.
Follow
me
we
can
discuss
how
we
might
make
sure
to
be
she's
included
in
our
final
recommendation
process.
B
A
She
can
watch
this
okay,
yeah,
so.
C
A
And
then
I
was
hoping
we
could
share
top
level
B
for
outreach
to
discuss
how
these
either
conform
or
contrast
our
initial
research,
what
was
surprising,
how
is
Bloomington
unique
three,
do
the
housekeeping
timelines
process?
Who
does
what?
How
can
we
include
Cammy
anything
else
we
should
talk
about
today
in
this
meeting.
B
E
A
Yeah,
let's
share
the
top
level
themes
we
found
in
our
Outreach
and
I
mean
that
includes
YouTube
Liz,
since
you
were
at
our
Outreach
event,
and
especially
with
the
breakout
sessions
that
CGM
facilitated.
C
E
A
Were
the
top
level
beings
that
we
found
and
specifically
what
are
the
surface
problems
and
the
surface
perceptions
and
problems?
And
then
what
are
the
underlying
causes
and
problem
problems
or
systemic
structural
challenges
that
we
found
I
have
like
a
long
list.
B
Particularly
in
how
things
are
operating
mostly
that
so
when,
and
especially
like
the
division
between
like
things
that
are
being
promised
and
what's
actually
being
done,.
A
I
I
saw
a
lot
in
the
Outreach,
especially
the
average
I
think
was
City
officials.
This
was
very
and
with
the
business
Community
really
across
the
board,
that
the
surface
problems
and
perceptions
of
Public
Safety
problems.
C
A
A
Particularly
I
found
the
business
community
and
a
decent
I
would
say
at
least
half
if.
C
A
Or
that
they
discourage
business
or
somehow,
you
know,
reduce
the
perceptions
of
safety
in
our
community
and
that
marginalized
people
themselves.
When
I,
when
I
did
average
with
them,
I
found
that
in
general
they
are
afraid
to
ask
for
help
or
they
feel
like
there.
B
Reminds
me
there's
a
lot
of
people
called
for
either
calling
for
resources
or
you'd
really
need
to
navigate
that,
and
so,
which
kind
of
referring
can't
use
the
nation,
but
like
also
not
knowing
how
to
address
things.
B
Another
service,
one
that
I've
heard
from
political
stakeholders
and
advocacy
stakeholders
was
the
concerns
about
divisiveness
and
sometimes
in
the
same
meeting.
There
would
be
the
response
to
either
clarification
or
later
questions
not
being
saying.
That's
not
our
function
right
so,
and
people
admitted
that
we
need
more
collaboration,
but
then,
at
the
same
time
would
say,
but
that
we
can't
bring
that
to
the
table.
A
Yeah
I
also
heard
a
lot
of
organ
of
operational
stakeholders
like
City
stakeholders.
A
Say
that
collaboration
is
needed,
especially
with
like
different
levels
of
government
like
County
and
state
federal,
but
it
didn't
seem
that
it
had,
it
didn't,
seem
the
thought
had
developed,
Beyond,
well,
solid
homelessness
requires
the
county
and
federal
and
state,
and
so
therefore
don't
blame
lives.
It
seems
like
it
hadn't
developed
past
that
very
very
much
yeah.
B
Yeah
and
it's
just
something
that
I
I
was
recently
going
back
and
reviewing
a
city
council
meeting
and
they
talk
about
the
distinction.
They
were
trying
to
decide
on
wording
between
coordination
and
collaboration.
C
B
A
D
I
think
a
lot
that
I,
you
know
the
parts
of
the
community
Forum
or
town
hall
that
you
all
sponsored
and
that
we
helped
to
facilitate,
did
hear
lots
of
folks
feeling,
as
if
the
issues
around
homelessness,
drug
addiction
and
mental
health
seem
to
be
increasing
and
that
there
was
some
lack
of
information
and
understanding
of
how
to
what
to
do
about
it
as
an
individual
and
so
I.
D
You
know
commented
by
on
a
lot
of
folks
and
just
sort
of
feeling,
as
if
I
think
the
other
thing
that
was
interesting
is
there
were
just
a
lot
of
folks
that
were
very
interested
in
the
topic
and
while
they
may
not
have
had
personal
experiences
of
feeling
unsafe,
they
were
aware
of
either
through
their
work
or
friends,
who
you
know,
people
that
they
knew
so
and
they
were
able
to
identify
challenges
that
our
community
is
facing.
So.
A
And
I
think
if
I
think
the
perception
that
these
problems
are
increasing
is
well
it's
that
it's
to
me,
that's
indicative
of
underlying
structural
causes
that
are
not
being
addressed
in
a
in
a
coordinated
way.
Right
I
mean
the
problem
is
increasing.
It's
it's,
the
underlying
structural
positive.
It's.
A
A
Know
some
of
the
underlying
problems
are
austerity
policies
where
that
deep
on
these,
these
needs,
including
access
to
health
care,
right
drug
use
and
mental
illness,
are
both
really
symptoms
of
a
lack
of
appropriate
health
care
and
and
then,
of
course,
homelessness
and
symptom
of
not
having
your
housing
needs,
met
and
I
know.
These
are
economic
policies
really
truly
that
protect.
You
know
Market
in
Market
power
over
human
needs,
so
it's
literally
protecting
markets
alert
the
means
of
humans,
and
this,
you
know,
leads
to
a
growling
number
of
socially
development.
A
We
marginalized
people
which
we
see
in
our
local
community
and
then
I.
Recently,
I
I
saw
a
book
called
non-profit
neighborhoods
and
it
was
talking
about
how
these
austerity
policies
did.
The
federal
state
level
create
problems
that
are
just
left
to
cities
to
deal
with,
and
then
the
cities
have
responded
by
by
kind
of
Outsourcing
the
problem
solving
to
private
actors
who
are
not
mostly
non-profits,
and
yet,
while
they
are
non-profits
they're,
also
private
organizations
who
have
different
incentives,
incentives
and
different
accountability
structures
right.
So
a
private
non-profit.
A
Know
I'm
sure,
there's
the
people
in
working
in
them
may
have
wonderful
intentions
and
motivations
and
wonderful,
wonderfully
brilliant
and
moral
people,
but
they
don't
necessarily
have
the
structural
resources
and
or
structural
incentives.
Two
is
all
these
problems,
so
they're
problems
that
you
know
are
created.
It's
like
different
levels
and
then
we've
got
this
other
level,
because
nonprofits
famously
aren't
allowed
to
have
overhead
and
capacity,
because
they're
also
they're
constantly
you
know
being
put
on
lists
for
having
too
much
overhead
and
basically
be
named
and
chained
if
they
have
any
kind
of
overhead
right.
A
A
Local
fundraising
or
grants
and
grades
are
temporary.
You
know
it's
only
temporary
funding
mechanism
and
therefore
the
plans
and
strategies
that
go
with
those
funding
mechanisms
are
temporary
or,
if
not
temporary,
much
more
short
term
than
the
approach
that
a
city
government
could
have
and
superficial.
C
B
Resources
to
address
these
problems,
but
what
I
hear
and
you
Stephen
King
is
like
the
problems
arise
around
those
systems.
So,
rather
than
to
address
the
symptoms
that
are
arising,
the
energy
of
structural
problems,
it
would
be
determined
to
destruct
we
agree
and
human
structure
to
stop
the
problems
from
her
eyes
and.
A
Of
course,
you
know,
of
course,
we're
going
to
be
limited
in
what
we
can
suggest
as
the
Tax
Commission
in
providing
structural
corrections
to
these
problems
right,
but
this
is
what
we
need.
I
think
this
is
the
comprehensive
we
need
to
take
about
like
where
we
are
in
the
universe.
You.
C
B
B
Heard
from
an
advocacy
stakeholder
was
that
the
way
our
structures
are,
we
have
the
mechanisms
to
exclude
people,
so
the
people
who
are
part
of
who
are
racially
martial,
arts
or
marginalized
by
class.
We
have
the
mechanisms
that
mix
with
them
right
to
say,
like
it
was
significantly
housing.
So
if
somebody
has
a
neighbor
that
they
don't
want
to
live
next
to,
then
we
have
the
mechanisms
to
say
to
complain
like
this
person
is
not
a
good
tenant,
but
really
they're.
Not
they
don't
think
in
the
demographic
that
I.
C
A
By
marginalized
people,
who
are
the
most
likely
to
be
excluded
in
our
community
in
in
my
okay,
so
in
my
Outreach,
the
underlying
problems
and
causes
I
have
more
here.
This
is
once
I
actually
found
from
the
Outreach
is
that
the
current
city
services
seem
to
be
very
much
reactive
and
rather
than
proactive
when
it
comes
to
Public
Safety.
A
So,
like
the
things
that
we're
talking
about
mental
illness,
they
only
seem
to
address
the
safety
needs
when
they're
at
a
crisis
level,
especially
marginalized
people's
needs
and
I,
also
found
that
the
stakeholders,
especially
community
and
operational
stakeholders,
perceive
these
problems
as
either
a
too
expensive
or
be
too
difficult
or
intractable
or
Wicked
problems
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
them.
And
but,
however,
our
research
that.
C
A
C
B
And
listen,
some
of
the
interviews
that
I
listened
for.
I
read
the
transcript
that
you
did.
That's
especially
poignant
when
you
ask,
is
this
perception
or
is
this
a
reality,
but
we
and
I
heard
from
people
who've
lived
experiences
that
that
perception
is
wrong.
That's
one
thing
that.
A
Attracts
yeah
and
I
found
in
my
Outreach
at
the
homeless,
shelters
people
were
telling
me
the
stories
of
how
they
became
homeless
and
every
one
of
them
like.
C
A
Of
them
had
the
kind
of
stories
that
you
expect
to
see
I
mean,
then
you
would
think
like.
Oh,
maybe
their
mother
was
homeless
and
they
just
like
were
oh,
that's
all
they
knew
how
to
live
right.
This
is
like
the
perceptual,
oh
because
even
some
of
the
some
of
the
stakeholders
said
this
that
oh
there's
so
many
homeless,
people
who
don't
even
know
how
to
live,
but
no,
no
one
said
that
that
well.
A
With
they
all
said,
oh
well,
what
happened
was
I
got
a
felony
and
then
I
couldn't
get
an
apartment
anymore,
because
they
did
background
checks
or
I
had
an
eviction
and
then
I
couldn't
get
an
apartment
anymore,
because
they
do
background
checks
or,
like
very
I,
mean
not
small,
but
I
mean
really
kind
of
things
that
are
easily
fixable,
especially
if
there
was,
if,
if
our
community
in
the
city
itself
took
a
proactive
approach
to
actually
preventing
the
causes
of
crime
and
violence
rather
than
sort
of
reacting
and
then
punishing
and
incarcerating.
B
A
And
I
think
the
same
goes
for
drug
addiction,
I'm,
not
an
expert
in
drug
addiction
and
Mental
Illness,
but
I
think
they
are
also
examples
of
problems
that
simply
spiral
until
people
get
to
a
crisis
situation
and
then
it
may
seem
impactful
right
I
mean
if
you
have
a
mental
illness.
That's
not
a
mental
illness
need
that's
not
addressed
for
several
years
until
you
become
violent
to
someone
well
yeah
at
that
point
it
may
be
really
problematic
and
hard
to
solve.
But
if
you
had
your
needs
or
drug
treat,
you
know
drug
treatment.
A
A
And
then,
as
far
as
more
structural
things,
I
noticed
in
my
Outreach,
the
crisis
response
that
is
currently
provided
is
unpredictable
for
the
caller.
So
it's
unpredictable,
so
people
don't
trust
the
system,
because
the
dispatch
first
of
all
the
dispatch
profiles,
don't
have
public
oversight.
A
So
actually
we
don't
know
what
they
are
and
in
fact
one
of
the
major
operational
stakeholders
we
talked
to.
Who
is
one
of
the
crisis
response
providers?
They
don't
know
what
the
protocols
are.
A
They
just
get
the
calls
that
come
to
them,
and
so,
if
we
don't
know
whether
or
not
is-
and
if
the
operational
providers
don't
know
what
the
protocols
is,
will
certainly
be
marginalized
equal
who
need
help,
they
know
what
protocol
is
so
their
right
to
call
in
because
they
may
get
armed
police
or
they
may
get
the
police,
social
worker
or.
A
B
A
I
had
I
I
interviewed
a
woman
at
Community
kitchen,
and
she
told
me
like
she
was
in
a
domestic
abuse
situation
and
she
felt
like
it
was
impossible
for
her
to
ever.
Call
the
police
when
she
felt
unsafe,
because
her
husband
is
black
and
he
has
a
and
he
has
an
arrest
record.
And
she
said
that
in
her
experience,
when
the
armed
police
show
up
to
even
respond
to
apparently
like
they
showed
up
one
time.
C
A
They
ran
their
name
through
the
system
and
saw
their
felony
whatever
background
the
first
thing
they
did.
She
said
everyone
is
all
the
officers
put
their
hands
on
there
done
and,
like
you
know,
called
in
backup
or
whatnot,
and
that
certainly
made
everyone.
She
said
it
made
her
feel
less
safe
and
it
made
her
husband
feel
less
safe,
which
probably,
in
turn
also
did
make
her
less
less
than
so.
C
C
A
And
then
so
that's
about
oh
and
yeah
I
mean
I.
Think
we
already
talked
about
this
a
little,
but
I
think
that
that
one
of
the
structural
things
I
noticed
is
that
the
operational
stakeholders,
not
so
much
the
people
on
the
front
line
of
the
operation
Outreach
but
sort
of
more
the
people
sitting
in
the
offices
making
the
decisions
seem
to
be
focused
more
on
protecting
the
rest
of
the
city,
population,
potential
threats
posed
by
the
existence
of
marginalized
people,
and
you
know
kind
of
trying
to
focus
on.
A
How
can
we
deter
marginalized
people
from
moving
here?
Or
how
can
we
make
the
city
to
sewn
attract
that
they
don't
want
to
be
here
or
you
know,
protecting
the
rest
of
the
city
from
marginalized
people
rather
than
which
I
think
is
our
approach,
which
is
a
scientific,
evidence-based
harm
reduction
approach,
which
is
to
focus
on
protecting
the
safety
of
marginalized
people
first
yeah
and
then
that
in
turn
makes
everyone
safer
and.
B
Operational
well
operational
were
pretty
good
like
to
talk
about
what
contrasted
or
what
was
surprising.
I
think
that
the
operational
stakeholders
had
a
lot
of
good
ideas.
C
B
That
they're
perfect,
but
those
kinds
of
things
that
are
evidence
things.
B
C
A
These
problems
and
people
who
are
you
know
possibly
in
the
back
office
managing
the
office
and
I,
also
found
a
structural
cause
that
seems
in
common
with
is
that
the
current
services
that
are
being
provided
seem
to
be
by
people
out
of
the
experience
in
these
particular
areas.
So
maybe
they
have
lived
experience
in
other
areas.
You
know
that
that
they're
working
in,
but
particularly
these
three
problems
like
homelessness,
drug
use
and
mental.
E
A
It
doesn't
seem
from
just
from
our
Outreach
the
people
that
that
you
know
that
I
noticed
were
currently
providing
the
services,
even
in
Advocate.
Situations
in
in
a
lot
of
the
situations
are
being
done
and,
very
you
know,
educated
smart,
well-intentioned
ways
by
people
without
lived
experience
and
I.
Think
with
experience
is
something
that
is.
A
A
C
A
Were
afraid
to
ask
for
help,
especially
because
law
enforcement,
our
whole
9-1-1
dispatch
is
really
decided
by
law
enforcement.
Who's
going
to
respond
and
one
person
is
most
structural.
Incentives
are
to
make
arrests,
Fine,
Brothers
and
enforce
laws
not
to
provide
Direct
pill
or
for
people.
You
know,
unfortunately,
that's
that's
what
their
structural
incentives
are
and
and
marvelous
people
know
that
the
people
I
talked
to
have
said.
You
know
they
just
want
to
they.
A
A
And
so
how
do
these
conform
or
contrast
our
initial
findings?
What
was
surprising,
how's,
Bloomington,
unique.
B
Well,
so
the
artist
spoke
about
a
little
bit,
Yeah
like
it
concerns
that
there's
a
disconnect
between
what
best
practices
show
that
would
couple
what
Advocates
know
or
are
saying
that
they're
trying
to
implement
they've
seen
works
and
what
what
better
community
things
were
actually,
where
or
things
that
happened
in
this
so
like,
as
you
spoke
to
you,
like.
Sometimes
people
in
the
offices
think
that
the
problem
of
something,
and
so
they
think
it's
something.
That's
it
it's
not.
Actually
the
structural
problem
they're
going
to
be
addressing.
C
A
Well,
so
much
in
community
safety
is
simply
yeah
outside
of
what
law
enforcement
should
be
expected
to
address.
You
know
and
yeah
that
was
another
thing.
I
mean
it
seems
like
our
community,
our
law
enforcement
agency
is
probably
doing
a
lot
more
than
a
lot
of
other
law
enforcement
agencies.
Do
do
address
these
problems
in
a
systemic
way.
You
know
by
hiring
social
workers,
and
you
know
by
not,
you
know,
talk,
maybe
not
Prosecuting
people
who
just
have
needle
possession.
A
You
know
things
like
that.
I
think
our
community
does
a
lot,
but
to
me
the
reason
it's
not.
The
reason
it
keeps
getting
worse
is
because
that.
A
B
And
the
other
things
are
remember
is
that
laws
are
also
superficial.
We
create
the
laws
to
try
to
address
these
things
and
then
the
enforce
of
a
lot
of
thinking
that,
unfortunately,
the
law
is
what
we'll
address
it.
But
what
we're
suggesting
what
we're
talking
about
here,
we're
trying
to
do
again
and
again
is.
C
A
And
I
found
in
my
average,
with
marginalized
people
that
whenever
I
ask
them,
you
know
what
their
thoughts
are
on
an
unarmed,
highly
plain
peer
response
task
force
that
that
was
very
popular,
especially
with
the
direct
line
to
call
them
and
and
as
I
would
even
go
so
far
as
to
say
that
without
the
direct
line
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
popular
simply
because
of
that
trust
issue.
Yeah.
A
Stakeholders,
especially
City,
who
you
know,
people
who
currently
making
these
decisions,
like
you
said
they
continually,
would
say.
Well,
this
isn't
our
problem.
Public
health
is
the
County's
problem
or
homelessness.
Is
you
know
it's
caused
by
federal
state?
You.
A
And
that,
but
it's
contradictory
because
at
the
same
time,
all
of
these
things-
people
in
these
same
departments
also
told
me
what
their
departments
are
actively
doing
to
try
to
help
solving
problems.
So
it
seems
that
that
operational
stakeholders
already
view
these
problems
as
within
the
purview
of
the
city's
work.
But
they
do
lack
the
structural
incentive
for
resolving
them
because
they
don't
see
them
as
their
responsibility.
A
Okay,
we're
getting
short
on
time.
Oh
I
thought
that
some
of
the
ways
we're
unique
is
that
Bloomington
has
a
lot
of
resources.
You
know,
especially
with
the
university
here,
but
also
just
with
our
non-profits
and
like
cjam
and
the
wonderful
resource.
You
know,
our
community
has
a
lot
of
resources,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
communities
don't
have,
and
we
also
have
the
highest
rate
of
inequality,
which
is
something
we
mentioned
in
our
town,
hall
and
I.
A
So
yeah
I
think
inequality
is
one
of
the
ways
that
we're
unique
and
having
resources
is
also
one
of
the
ways
we're
unique.
So
hopefully
we
can
put
those
together
somehow
and
use
those
resources
to
reduce
that
inequality.
A
I
think
also
heading
home
is,
is
one
thing
in
my
in
my
Outreach?
Is
you
know,
they're
really
doing
a
good
job
as
far
as
time
to
resolve
homelessness
in
the
evidence-based
structural
way?
A
In
my
in
it's
because
it's
a
non-profit,
it
does
have
those
problems
that
I
mentioned
before,
where
it's
it's
not
accountable
to
the
community
like
the
city
government,
would
be,
and
it
does
I
can
lack
the
long-term
funding
commitments
to
have
those
long-term
strategies,
but
it
certainly
is
certainly
going
about
it
in
the
best
way
that
they
here.
A
Oh
I
think
the
problem,
one
of
the
problems
that
that.
A
A
lot
of
this
is
the
community
Democratic
participation,
especially
by
marginalized
people
in
decision-making
processes
that
that
would
need
to
be
addressed
and
whatever
recommendations
we
have,
because,
whatever
recommendations
we
have
in
order
for
them
to
be
sustainable,
they're
going
to
need
to
have
oversight
not
just
like
public
and
Community
oversight,
but
by
the
most
marginalized
people.
So
I
think
we
need
to
really
work
on
focusing
on
that
on
community
democracy
in.
B
B
A
As
far
as
you
know,
alternative
Public,
Safety
and
crisis
response
I
think
that,
hopefully,
our
commission
can
find
a
way
to
match
the
the
structural
incentives
for
sustainability,
resolving
these
problems
with
the
resources
and
capacity
for
doing
so
in
one
organization
right,
rather
than
it
all,
being
scattered
all
over
the
place
and,
frankly,
not
having
the
incentives
for
resolving
it
sustainably,
because
they're
not
being
held
accountable
to
the
most
marginalized
people
in
our
community.
A
So
anything
to
add
before
we
turn
Liz
to
to
housekeeping
things,
timelines.
D
Well,
the
only
thing
I
would
say
in
listening
to
you
I
think
that
I
keep.
You
know,
I
think
the
the
points
that
you
were
talking
about
in
terms
of
having
a
response
to
crisis
and
to
issues
in
the
community.
D
You
know
it
sounds
like
there
was
lots
of
feedback
from
underrepresented
folks
themselves
of
feeling,
like
you
know,
they're
hesitant
to
call
for
help
when
they
need
help
dealing
with
things.
I.
Think
a
lot
of
the
providers
and
Advocates
that
that
you
know
work
with
underrepresented
folks
were
identifying
that
at
least
in
the
town
hall
meeting,
and
that
there
needed
to
be
a
different
response
to
those
kind
of
crises,
and
that
seemed
to
emerge
pretty
strongly
from
what
you
were
just
sharing
and
what
I
heard
at
the
meeting.
So
yeah.
A
Okay,
so
finalizing
timelines
process
deciding
who
does
what?
How
can
we
get
our
report
and
recommendations
ready
by
June,
1st
or
sooner?
How
can
we
be
sure
to
include
Cami
in
this
process.
D
D
A
Well,
as
I
understand
it,
the
process
is
that
our
special
committee
is
going
to
find
we're
going
to
create
a
report
and
recommendations
and
then
we're
going
to
do
we're
going
to
do
this,
hopefully
by
June
1st
and
then
we're
going
to
share
that
with
the
rest
of
the
Caps
Commission.
A
And
then
hopefully
we
can
do
it
by
email
before
the
meeting
and
then
we
can
actually
discuss
the
report
and
recommendations
in
the
next
caps
meeting,
which
is
June
1st.
So
that's
sort
of
like
the
first
reading
and
then
and
then
I
and
then
hopefully,
but
this
isn't
set
in
stone.
Then
we
can
vote
on
the
report
and
recommendations
in
the
July
meeting
and
the
only
thing
that
really
is
like
the
set
in
stone.
Hard
deadline
is
to
get
our
recommendations
in
before
the
city.
C
A
Passes
its
budget
because
our
recommendations
will
likely
include
things
that
need
funded
by
cities
by
the
city
council,
so.
A
C
B
C
A
A
To
both
the
mayor's
office
and
the
city
council
we
can
our
commission
can
can
we
can
advise
the
mayor,
the
city
council
and
any
other
City
Department.
We
can
make
recommendations
for
them
and
and
so
I'm
imagining
our
recommendations
will
be
for
for
both
of
those
main
bodies
at
least
put
us
in
Council,
and
there
at
least.
D
And-
and
so
do
you
feel
about
like
by
June
1st
you'll,
have
those
recommendations
so
then
part
of
what
the
process
that
you're
talking
about
will
be
to
have
these
meetings
with
these
individual
bodies
to
share
the
results
to
share
the
report
and
begin
talking
about
next
steps?
Or
is
it
just
between
June
1st,
when
you
make
the
recommendations
and
then
the
next
thing
is
going
before
the
city
council.
A
Well,
another
stage
I
didn't
mention
is
between
June
1st
and
the
July
evening
is
getting
endorsements,
I
think
we'd
like
to
get
because
we
did
so
much
Outreach
with
so
many
Community
organizations
and
important
stakeholders
that
I
think
could
be
really
valuable
for
us,
especially
once
the
commission
has
weighed
in
yeah,
then
to
go
back
to
the
stakeholders
and
try
to
get
official
endorsements
before
we
make
recommendations
to
the
city.
D
A
A
We
can
ask
Ash
I,
think
that's
a
great
idea.
Well,.
A
Yeah,
well,
we
didn't
make
any
substantive
recommendations
last
year,
so
especially
none
that
required
a
budget.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
an
option,
I
do
know
that
the
city
tends
to
you
know,
prefer
the
commissions
and
boards
to
have
more,
not
totally
like
one-way
communication,
but
to
have
more
you
know,
of
the
Grassroots
advisory
sort
of
role
rather
than
like
constantly
going
back
and
forth
both
because
you
know
of.
A
C
A
A
A
Oh
okay,
so
our
report
should
cover
the
background.
The
process,
research,
Outreach
and
findings
also
I
think
it
should
include,
and
that
would
be
mostly
like
text
long
text.
Maybe
a
couple
of
images
and
I
think
some
impactful
or
representative
direct
quotes
from
our
Outreach
would
be
useful,
and
then
we
need
to
follow
up
with
those
stakeholders
and
make
sure
it's
okay
to
use
those
quotes.
But,
oh,
do
you
think
it
would
be
good
I
mean?
A
D
Know
well,
I
guess
if
you're
gonna
I,
you
know
maybe
I
I,
don't
know
what
you
said
to
folks
when
you
were
talking
with.
C
D
E
D
Organizations
that
we
talk
to
I
would
be
careful
about
listing
individuals,
because
that
might
you
know
unless
you
got
permission,
so
you
need
to
be
very
clear
in
your
email
back.
Are
you
okay?
If
we
list
you
as
someone
who
was
interviewed
and
your
organization-
and
you
know,
I
mean
a
lot
of
times-
people
you'll
see
that
listed.
Who
was
interviewed.
You.
A
B
A
C
D
D
And
what
you
can
describe
is
that
you
had
you
know
you
could
say
we
had
if
you
know,
if
you
don't
hear
back
from
people
in
a
timely
fashion,
for
you
to
get
your
report
done
by
June
1st,
you
could
say
we
interviewed
a
wide
variety
of
you
know:
City
departments,
you
know
you
could
sort
of
non-profit
social
service
providers
meant.
You
know
you
could
describe
the
stakeholder
groups
yeah.
A
Know
yeah
I
mean
we
actually
had
a
introductory
remarks
that
we
write
to
everyone
that
just
basically
said
we're
not
going
to
use.
A
They
say
without
their
explicit
permission,
and
we,
if
we
do
use
anything
they
say
we
won't
attribute
it
to
a
person
or
an
organization,
but
rather
to
the
type
of
stakeholder
that
they
represent.
So
we
didn't
say
anything
about
listing
who
we
talked
to,
but
I
I
agree
it's
better
to
better
to
get
inside.
D
Oh
I,
yeah
and
I
wasn't
suggesting
you
needed
I
thought
you.
You
wanted
to
maybe
list
the
individuals
that
you
talk
to
so
that
definitely
I
was.
A
So,
okay,
then
so
as
far
as
writing
the
report
and
I
guess
the
recommendations
will
be
a
part
of
the
report.
A
So
how
do
we
want
to
divvy
that
up,
yeah
and
how
I
guess
before
we
get
to
that?
How
can
we
include
Cami
in
this
process.
B
Things
specifically
including
campaign,
we
should
ask
what
should
be
honest,
she's
able
to
do
and
then
kind
of
work
around
that,
because.
C
B
Think
you
and
I
are
more
flexible,
but
I
know
Kim
is
doing
some
things.
So,
let's
see
what
a
few
months
to
do
and
then
negotiate.
A
C
A
What
I'm,
saying
and
I
know
I
think
at
this
point:
you
should
not
be
able
to
do
stuff
on
Zoom,
but
I
think
she
said
she
just
didn't.
Have
her
computer
set
up
yet
because
she
just
got
back
from
the
hospital,
so
I
think
she
said
that
she
got
in
a
few
days
she'd
be
able
to
attend
meetings
again
on
Zoom
okay,
so
hopefully
that
means
he
can
have
at
least
one
or
two
more
meetings.
A
So
as
far
as
that
goes
as
far
as
background
process,
research
and
general,
like
bindings
from
those
I
kind
of
already
took
a
stab
at
those
while
back
before
you
know,
we
started
the
Outreach
and
so
I'm
happy
to
kind
of
you
know,
incorporate
our
Outreach
into
that.
So
that
basically
and
then
obviously
you
know
bring
it
back
to
you
and
Kimmy
for
your
input,
yes,
and
then
that
basically
needs
covering
our
Outreach
good
recommendations
and,
of
course,
the
pull
quotes
and
like
the
overall
formatting
of
it.
B
A
C
A
D
Okay,
I
also
too.
If
you
would
like
me
to
review
the
you
know
the
finding
the
themes
that
you're
gonna
articulate
because
you
want
to
you-
want
to
be
sure
that
you're
articulating
what
you
heard,
not
how
you
interpreted
what
you
heard
but
sort
of
what
was
heard,
and
you
want
to
be
sure
too,
that
you're
capturing
differences
of
a
you
know.
D
If
you
heard
things
that
were
an
alternative
to
what
it
might
be,
that
you're
recommending
you
want
to
be
sure
for
validity's
sake
and
for
people
spending
time
you
know
and
and
to
ensure
that
people
really
were
heard
that
were
giving
their
opinions
to
be
sure
that
you
present,
you
know
a
well-rounded
summary
of
the
themes
and
I'd
be
happy
to
look
at
anything.
If
you'd
like
you
know
that
piece
and
I'd
be
happy
to
just
give
some
recommendations.
If
that's
allowed,
yeah.
A
But
also
have
an
attendance
where
we
include
the
actual,
like
photographs
of
those,
the
flip
charts
from
the
public
town
hall.
C
A
I
have
pictures
of
those
and
I
have
different
notes
from
when
I
went
into
the.
A
Shelters
and
got
quotes
from
them,
so
maybe
some
of
the
actual
direct
information
can
be
included,
but.
D
C
A
Cool
yeah:
well,
it's
yeah,
we've
got,
we've
got
some
work
to
do,
but
I
think
we're
I'm
ready
to
do
it
anyway.