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A
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
what
kind
of
format
we
should
have
for
today's
meeting.
I
think
it's
just
going
to
be.
A
B
A
All
right,
commissioner
ratzling,
do
you
want
to
start
the
round
robin.
B
And
so
my
main,
my
main
suggestion
and
approach
would
be
to
start
with
some
of
his
suggestions.
B
B
B
The
current
policing
system,
because
I'm
sure
there's
lots
of
people
already
focusing
on
that.
B
Frankly,
so
yeah,
that's
my
main,
that's
that's
mainly
all
I
have
to
to
contribute
at
this
point.
B
B
Example,
but
I
think
it
mainly
means
creating
a
new
body,
a
new
organization
within
the
city.
B
B
A
I
can't
remember
whether
the
star
program
in
denver
is
completely
separate
from
the
police.
A
Or
operates
in
conjunction
with
them
like
cooperates
with
them,
that'd
be
something
to.
C
D
I
know
there's
somebody
that
represents
an
agency
that
has
interaction
the
people
that
go
to
that.
A
Yeah,
it's
nick
voyles
is
a
director
right
now
right,
yeah,
yeah.
C
Is
it
possible
to
have
him
come
and.
C
If
we're
interested
as
a
as
a
group
to
do
that,
I
would
be
interested.
C
Did
anybody
get
a
chance
to
listen
to
the
the
annual
report
that
I
put
up?
I
got.
C
For
me,
that
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
draw
on
four
questions
for
and
also
for
maybe.
C
Different
way
completely
and
and
and
we
may-
we
may
choose
to-
and
chris
richardson
with
the.
C
Start
program
did
start
with
within
the
police
department
and
what
the
denver
police
did
find
out.
C
C
The
annual
report
that
I
heard
yesterday
was
it
almost.
C
C
C
If
that
makes
sense,
anyway,
and
and
chris
did
say
that
he
would
help
us
in
any
way
possible.
C
To
set
that
up,
if
that
is
the
way
we
choose
to
to
write
a
report
and
and
a
recommendation.
C
I'm
not
opposed
either
to
the
idea,
commissioner.
Routsung
has
with.
C
C
They
are
sending
who's
needed,
sometimes
they're,
sending
people.
C
C
C
A
I
do
see
an
umbrella
organization,
that's
not
the
police
as
an
ultimate
goal
is
you
know.
A
To
them
mental
health
calls
drug
related
calls,
you
know,
I'm
sure,
that's
where
people.
A
Government
and
the
administration,
but
you
know
that
can
be
our
recommendation
too.
That.
A
D
D
B
And
the
ubiquitousness
of
cell
phones
giving
people
access
to
the
internet
has
allowed
for
a.
B
B
With
like
a
kind
of
bold
position
here
on
this
subject,
you
know,
obviously
I
think
we
should.
B
B
Start
it
embed
it
and
then
eventually
the
goal
is
to
have
it
be
its
own,
and
I
I
think
in
I.
B
B
Police
and
and
specifically
by
force,
and
I
think
that
that
what
that.
B
B
B
Departments
have
incentives
to,
unfortunately,
militarize
buy
expensive
toys
and
then
they've.
B
Money
and
so
let
you
know,
I
think,
that's
one
thing
important
for
us
to
try
to
atta,
not
attack.
B
But
consider
and
then
a
second
thing
I
thought
I
thought
of
is
you
know
like
we
don't
want
to.
B
By
taking
it
externally,
so
you
know
to
your
point,
commissioner:
miller,
like
we.
B
Don't
necessarily
want
to
lose
that
in
whatever
we
do,
or
you
know
exclude
them
in
any
way.
B
Or
anything
like
that,
I
think
you
know
we
should
definitely
try
to
get
as
much
political
buy-in.
B
B
B
B
B
Ready
for
some
of
that
opposition
and
yeah,
just
sort
of
I
guess,
decide
what
opposition.
B
C
I
think
the
the
local
police
department
is
trying
to
modernize.
I've
been
watching
a
lot.
C
B
I
just
haven't
had
time.
Okay,
thank
you,
because
you
will
hear
the
word
embedded,
embedded,
embedded.
C
And
to
me
that's
my
hard
line,
I
am
all
for
social
workers
being
called
when,
let's.
C
Police
and
the
very
words
are
powerful
when
we
use
the
word
embedded
with
the
police
department.
C
The
police
and
that's
why
we're
sitting
here
having
the
dialogue
and
at
least
that's
what
I.
C
Think
we're
doing
so
that's
kind
of
one
of
my
hard
lines
we've
got
to
have.
We
need
the.
C
C
Those
things
yeah,
so
I
did
have
a
question
because
I
I
missed
one
of
the
you
said
three.
C
And
this
is
a
question
for
you,
commissioner:
rodzang
three
things
aries
of
topics
and
it
was.
B
C
A
long
ways
to
go
with
learning,
there's
a
learning
curve,
pretty
big
learning
curve.
C
C
Some
stuff
on
some
some
good
ideas
to
put
out
there
probably
may,
because
we're
looking
at.
C
And
don't
quote
me:
anyone
who's
listening
cats,
but
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
break.
C
E
B
I
was
just
gonna
add
to
commissioner
miller's
point.
I
think
also
we
did
ask.
B
A
political
situation
hypothetically
where
you
don't
expect
a
lot
of
necessarily
support
from.
B
And
you
know
really
try
to
get
as
much
community
input
is
just
one
suggestion
for
that.
C
C
Are
I
know
these
people
but
they're
meeting
every
week
to
to
kick
out
a
heck
of
a
heck
of.
C
C
Report,
it
was
mentioned
by
beverly
calendar
anderson
segment.
I
think
that
segment
started.
C
B
Sort
of
kind
of
he
did
the
same
thing
with
affordable
housing.
Interestingly
yeah,
it's
a
thing.
C
It's
definitely
seems
to
be
it,
it
does
seem
to
be,
and,
and
the
thing
is,
is
that
means.
C
Me
problematic
because
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
participate.
I
think
it's
important.
B
B
C
So
it's
it's
a
minute
she's
57
minutes
in
on
the
annual
report.
C
The
police
and
safety
report
and
it's
30
minutes
in
for
chief
default
and
then.
C
C
C
Meeting
those
that's
the
way,
my
head
works
and
please
help
me
if,
if
you
have
other
ideas,
because.
C
C
But
I
guess
that's
going
to
be
another
topic
too.
It's
it's
just
crazy.
C
Oh,
I
better
look
at
a
calendar
for
that.
What
date
is
that
commissioner
man.
B
D
C
That
makes
sense,
and
and
like
commissioner
raut
song
said,
we
can
adjust
if
we
need
to
so.
A
I
had
a
a
question,
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
remembering
correctly,
but
I
think
it
was.
A
Alex
vitaly,
who
mentioned
someone
here
at
iu,
who
might
be
a
good
resource.
A
And
her
name
was
nicole,
something
yeah
and
sadly
she's,
not
that
person
was
reached
out
to.
C
Out
right
away
to
nicole
just
to
have
the
dialogue
and,
sadly,
no
because
she
would
have.
B
C
There's
another
really
good
one
with
him,
but
I
would
recommend
also
the
I've
already.
C
C
It's
going
to
help
us
to
work
with
the
people
that
are
already
here
and
I
think
that's
really.
C
B
B
B
B
We
could
have
more,
maybe
if
you
want
to
suggest
any
specific
areas,
you
think
we
should
dive
into.
C
C
I
guess
that
probably
is
a
good
idea.
It
sounded
like
commissioner
mann
was
interested
in
doing.
C
C
C
C
C
Cost
because
cost
is
everything.
So
that's
a
that's
just
a
not
a
fun
breakout
group,
but
it's
a.
C
I'm
not
all
excited
about
looking
at
cost,
but
the
start
program
started
within
the
police.
C
C
Million,
so
how
much
is
the
social
worker
program
costing
the
city
through
the
police.
A
Ask
well
I'm
sorry,
yeah,
I
know
people
I
could
ask
who
may
have
a
little
more
experience
with
that.
A
C
B
B
You
know
real
decision
on
it
and
you
know,
and
looking
into
the
you
know,
at
least
at
some.
B
Important
the
important
yeah
the
important
implications
that
would
make
a
big
difference.
C
C
C
C
B
Recommendation
yeah,
and
so
I
certainly
would
want
to
have
us
very
thoroughly,
investigate
that.
C
And
thanks
to
commissioner
mann
said
he
had,
he
might
know
some
people
that
he
can
get
some
info.
C
From
which
is
awesome,
what
other
categories
besides
cost
are
we
gonna
have
to
we
we're
gonna.
D
C
Racial
justice,
but
I
also
heard
something
else,
commissioner
brown
sparks
you
said.
C
C
A
What
a
new
system
will
will
save
in
the
long
run
if
police
are
not.
A
As
criminal
cases,
how
much
are
we
saving
the
city
and
our
community
in
the
long
run
by
not.
A
A
C
C
That
police
budget
go
down
and
we're
seeing
it
go
up
because
crime
which
you'll
find
out.
C
In
the
annual
report
went
down
nine
percent
last
year,
but
we
didn't
save
nine
percent
now.
C
Else-
and
I'm
not
sorry,
but
you
get
the
picture
yeah,
the
the
charts
are-
are
pretty
intensively.
C
So
that
could
be
good
and
bad.
C
It's
bad
but
because
we
already
know
two
out
of
three
rapes
aren't
reported
so.
C
B
B
Saving
money
in
the
long
run
period
and
so
yeah
and
so
yeah,
hopefully,
as
far
as
cost,
you
know
we.
B
B
We're
you
know
providing
a
way
to
save
money
and
I
think
that's
not
even
a
way
to
spin
it.
B
So
by
other
entities
I
meant
to
include
possibly
suggesting
it
should
go
to
a
current.
B
C
Other
committee,
with
the
lived
experience
right
so
maybe
we
can
just
bring
up
some
bold
ideas.
C
And
bold
is
a
van
rolling
up
to
help
somebody
instead
of
the
police.
C
Then
be
helped
by
the
person
further
by
saying
here's
some
services,
here's
my
card.
C
Here's
my
telephone
number
call
us
we're
here
for
you.
Those
are
my
overarching
ideas.
C
B
B
B
Does
summarize
new
vision
to
me,
what
would
what
would
be
an
opposition
of
a
command
and
control.
B
C
Keep
slavery
wheels
going,
as
commissioner
brown
sparks
reminds
us,
thank
goodness
so
yeah.
B
The
compiling
and
the
fact
the
facts
around
racial
injustice
in
our
community.
B
A
We
feel
like
we
have
enough
to
do
individually
and,
as
a
committee.
D
C
Do
we
have
a
definitive
chart
of
what
we're
doing
besides
watching
the
videos.
C
And
watching
the
videos
and
yeah
and
and
kind
of,
I
think,
focusing
on
on
the.
A
B
C
We're
going
to
be
doing
this
next
two
weeks
and
get
it
to
the
this
group
in
the
next
48
hours.
B
Oh,
I
think
that
was
like
those
categories.
I
was
seeing
it
first,
but
I'm
thinking
now
we.
B
B
B
C
B
B
B
B
B
Decisions
on
the
on
these
topics,
commissioner
miller:
what
do
you
think.
A
Maybe
if,
if
commissioner
brown
sparks
is
able
to
kind
of
share
the.
A
D
D
After
we
did
that
it
was
like
we
were
supposed
to
watch
the
report.
D
And
then
we
were
supposed
to
determine
the
cost
of
programs
and
why?
What
would
it
save
and
then.
C
C
I
thought
I
was
in
that
meeting,
but
but
I'm
not
absolutely
sure-
and
you
say
it
did
go
up.
B
Well
to
the
question
of
you
know:
what
should
we
get
done
before
the
next
meeting?
I
feel
like.
B
C
To
watch
the
alex
vitale
video
again
and
also
the
other
one
of
his
that's
on
youtube.
B
C
C
In
things,
but
I
gotta
go
help
her,
you
know
so
there
there
might
be
one
of
those
times
you
and
I.
C
Yeah,
I
would
be
okay
with
that
sorry
about
my
dog
she's,
not
she's,
protesting
that
I'm
not
giving.
C
C
C
Yes,
I
wasn't
even
talking
the
minutes.
I
was
like
talking
bullet
points
outline
whatever.
C
C
B
D
B
C
A
pinpoint
of
one
of
the,
what
do
we
call
it
focus
group
which
probably
isn't
really.