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A
As
many
as
of
you
have
read,
andrew
is
no
longer
with
us,
so
I
will
be
the
acting
chair
and
I
guess.
A
Here
at
605,
I
will
call
the
meeting
to
order.
We
have
quorum
just
barely
at
the
moment.
I'll
start.
A
A
Thank
you
and
matthias
hi
everyone,
I'm
matthias
benko.
I.
D
D
Who's,
your
employer,
I
say
my
garden
and
so
that
keeps
me
busy.
I
have
two
hives
of
bees.
A
Excellent
today,
mia.
E
E
And
yeah,
so
here
I
am
excellent,
linda
I'm
linda
thompson.
F
The
senior
environmental
planner
and
the
liaison
to
the
environmental
commission.
G
G
Degree
in
mp,
in
environmental
science
and
public
administration.
A
Awesome
and
that
wraps
up
introductions.
I
guess
I
shouldn't
be
more
prepared,
but
I
can't
remember.
A
A
Do
we
have
minutes
to
approve,
or
do
we
move
on
matt?
I
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt,
but.
A
Okay,
that's
my
impression
too.
B
G
G
A
Now,
if
we
have
minutes
to
approve
or
not,
there
are
two
minutes
that
should
be
approved.
G
Heroes
and
then
I
finished
those
and
sent
those
out
and
then
also,
I
think,
september's
minutes.
G
And
september
that
need
to
be
approved
mike
sent
me
comments
to
those
and
they've
been
made.
A
To
do
a
voice
vote,
I'm
going
to
vote
yes
for
approval.
So
next
sam,
I
vote
yes.
C
A
I
I
I
had
problems
getting
on
into
the
meeting.
What
are
we
voting
on
sorry.
A
Okay!
Sorry
about
that
we're
we're
voting
on
approving
the
minutes.
A
Brings
us
to
public
comment,
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
members
of
the
public
with
us
tonight.
D
Okay,
I'll
take
that
on
both
the
damian
and
linda
were
there
at
the.
D
Meeting
too
so
they
can
correct
me
if
I
get
it
wrong,
but
the
urban
forester.
D
Around
the
city
there
was
no
report
from
iu
because
mia
wasn't
there
at
the
meeting.
D
That
belongs
to
the
city,
and
the
city
has
control
over
over
it.
One
question
that.
D
D
Our
arborist
who's,
who
wasn't
present
at
the
meeting,
but
he
sent.
I
Yes,
they
met
and.
I
The
little
critters
in
in
town,
but
he
went
over
basically
what
hand
is
about.
I
was
impressed.
I
About
30
to
40
percent
of
the
community's
total
carbon
emissions
are
related
to.
I
Buildings
gee.
What
a
surprise
that
is,
and
it
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
upcoming
plans
for.
I
Issues
which
I
guess
they're
still
trying
to
figure
out
the
date,
but
it
maybe
probably.
I
They'll
probably
be
in
early
2022
because
they
were
originally
thinking
of
december
and
then.
I
I
guess
second
thoughts.
They
start
thinking
that
that
would
not
be
a
good
time
of
the
year.
I
To
have
try
to
have
a
presentation
to
the
public
because
of
people
being
out
of
town,
etc.
I
The
they
are
getting
trying
to
get
funding
for
the
workout
funding
mechanism
for
the.
D
But
the
complaint
was
that
that's
not
a
native
plant
and
it
shouldn't
have
been
used.
D
D
Ecologic
company
is
working
on
various
city
parks,
removing
woody
non-natives.
D
D
And
they're
going
to
build
a
kind
of
dock
out
into
the
lake
there
with.
D
You
may
have
read
about
it
in
the
newspaper
or
whatever.
This
is
a
hunt
at
griffey
that.
A
Citizens,
advisory
council
and
you
move
on
to
friends
of
lake
monroe.
We
have
a
report
for
them.
D
Yeah
we
met
on
november
15th,
and
so
I
guess
that
was
just
this
last
monday.
D
D
I
don't
know
if
you
know
about
it,
but
it's
out
east
of
bloomington
on
the
road
to.
D
To
brown
county
and
you
turn
off
on
kent
road
and
go
up
kent
road
and
then
the
stillwater
marsh.
D
D
And
they
they
create
the
marsh
over
the
winter
time.
D
D
D
Our
water
supply
they're
planning
to
have
public
forums
next
fall
to
deal
with.
D
Found
and
they've
decided
that
sediment
loads
and
potassium
loads
in
particular,
and
the.
D
D
Meeting,
thank
you
once
again.
I
believe
our
last
report
would
be
from
mciris.
I
The
mciris
meme
was,
I
have
very
little
notes
again
a
lot
of
the
discussion.
I
And
was
about
the
calorie
repair
issue,
and
particularly
when
again,
one
of
the
things.
I
I
More
informal
ones
with
city
parks-
and
I
discussed
we've
been
discussing,
including
the
today
while.
I
I
On
the
tree,
commission
about
the
benefits
of
things
like
cal,
repair
and
invasives,.
D
Things
about
the
tree
commission
that
I'd
like
to
add
one
was
that
if
people
want
to
cut
down.
E
The
tree
commission
doesn't
agree
with
m.c
iris
in
its
sort
of
blanket
approach
to
invasives.
E
One
is
to
remove
all
of
the
the
calorie
pairs
on
city.
Property
would
be
over
a
million
dollar.
E
Project-
and
we
don't
have
that
money
aaron,
we
instructed
aaron
to
put
together
a
10-year
plan.
E
E
Dollars
a
year
to
remove
just
calorie
pairs,
you
know
a
tenth
of
the
calorie
pairs
and
her.
E
E
E
On
the
tree
commission
about
the
the
competing
benefits,
so
we
have
an
interesting
situation.
E
Here,
where
two
environmental
goods
are
kind
of
competing
for
the
same.
E
Bloomington's
canopy,
and
that
is
an
environmental
good,
so
I
just
want
to
say
that.
E
That
the
tree
commission,
I
think,
has
a
slightly
different
view
on
it
than
m.c
iris.
E
One
thing
that
I
thought
I
would
mention
in
passing
is
that
they
were
talking
about.
E
This
conflict
between
two
environmental
goods
in
another
situation-
and
that
is
people
wanting.
E
It's
a
complex
issue
for
sure
one
more
thing
from
me:.
A
Okay
and
don
yes,
what
is
the
gist
of
our
position
in
the
latest
discussion?
This.
I
And
they're
spreading
and
they're
spreading
fast.
So
if
we
don't
do
something.
I
And
we
use
gee
there's
some
good
benefit,
but
in
the
long
term
what
we
are.
J
E
And
one
of
the
important
things
on
the
list
of
criteria
was:
is
a
tree's
proximity
to
wooded
areas.
I
Of
doing
this,
but
it
is
a
dilemma
and
it's
worth
discussion
at
some
point:
yeah.
E
And
we,
I
know
we're
going
to
move
on
in
this
meeting
to
talking
about
projects
for
the
ostrom.
E
Interim
and
one
of
the
things
that
would
be
useful
for
the
tree
commission
would
be
to
see.
E
If
there
are
any
grant
money
available
for
the
removal
of
invasives,
so
whatever
mc.
D
And
it
would
be
useful
if
mciris
would
come
to
a
tree
commission
meeting
so.
A
Right
wrapping
up
reports,
then
we
would
move
to
discussions
from
active
working
groups.
F
Sorry
there
this
needs
to
go
out
in
your
fridge.
If
you
have
a
report
did
amy,
can
you
mute
please.
F
Sorry
there
was
just
a
lot
of
background
noise.
F
Oh,
we
have
one
case
coming
up,
that
is
called
university
properties,
nine
and.
F
It
is
covers
several
parcels,
307-319-401-4547.
F
F
There
will
be
a
two
level
parking
garage
with
140
park,
vehicle
parking
spaces.
F
And
39
bicycle
spaces
there'll
be
38,
more
bicycle
spaces
outside
near
the
interest.
F
F
Call
something
light-colored
hardscaping
if
that
just
means
concrete,
opposed
to
asphalt.
F
But
it
won't
go
be
going
to
the
plan.
Commission,
you
remember
when
a
few
months
ago.
F
We
talked
about
it's
it's
listed
as
real
american.
F
F
The
the
planet,
transportation,
department
administration,
I
believe,
thought
that
that.
F
They're
going
to
build
over
here-
and
this
part
is
floodplain
when
they
were
put
together
their.
F
Impervious
surface
coverage
was
fine,
but
now
when
they,
if
they
take
the
floodplain
out.
F
Then
the
property
they
have
left
is
there's
actually
too
much
impervious
surface.
F
F
The
hearing
officer
for
that,
but
anyway,
that's
just
kind
of
an
update
on
that
one.
It's
sort
of.
F
Plain,
regardless
of
who
owns
it,
you
know
probably
just
it's
a
matter
of
the
developer.
F
Paying
less
for
the
property,
but
the
the
first
one,
the
university
properties.
F
F
B
Yeah
linda,
I
just
wanted
to
recognize
the
importance
of
having
permeable
surfaces.
A
We
can
circle
back
to
don
if
he
becomes
available
here.
I
think
I'm
unmuted
yeah.
I
Managing
that
part
of
the
the
floodplain
as
it
goes
foul
to
keeping
out
invasives
whatever.
F
Little
sliver
of
property
on
into
the
park,
then
the
park
will
assume
responsibility.
A
Okay,
thank
you
linda
for
the
presentation
we're
gonna
move
on
to
outreach
ben.
I
believe.
A
You
were
gonna
recap:
the
panel
discussion
first
yeah,
I'm
not
gonna,
really,
recap
it,
but
I'm
just.
G
I
think
it
went
really
really
well,
I
think
our
panels
were
incredible
and
they
really
gave.
G
We
realized
that
we
can't
advertise
with
facebook
for
or
only
with
facebook,
the
whole
time
we.
G
Definitely
need
to
use
other
outside
resources
to
to
make
sure
everyone's
aware
of
another
event.
G
We
gave
them
all
eco
heroes
bag,
so
the
ones
that
you
all
got
so
that
was
kind
of
fun
and
we.
G
Chatted
with
people
and
yeah,
it
was
great.
I
think
the
next
thing
on
the
agenda
is.
G
Sorry
hold
on
the
biodiversity
group,
if
I
recall
correctly
so
we're
gonna
be.
G
Including
me,
so
I
was
kind
of
planning
to
meet
with
everyone
in
the
biodiversity
working
group.
G
In
about
two
weeks
or
so
after
thanksgiving
and
we
kind
of
hit
a
stall
with
just
a
bunch
of.
G
Other
stuff
that
seem
to
take
priority
over
the
plan
right
now
for
the
habitat
connectivity.
G
Plan
but
we're
gonna
talk
about
that,
hopefully
at
the
next
meeting
and
really
get
that
going.
G
Because
it's
it's
been
a
long
time
coming,
so
I'm
still
waiting
for
some
edits.
But
after.
G
I
get
some
get
all
the
edits.
I'll
share
that
with
everyone
in
the
commission
and
we'll
kind
of.
G
G
Gonna
definitely
try
to
contact
the
neighborhood
associations
and
get
the
plan
off
the
ground.
G
D
So
yeah,
if
you
want
to
come
into
city
hall,
I
can
give
you
a
flash
drive
with
it
on
it.
A
Hot
topic,
starting
with
the
resolution
from
the
toxic
substances
burning.
A
Oh,
actually,
I
see
don
and
dave
both
have
their
hands
up
don.
Did
you
have
something
you
wanted
to.
I
D
D
D
So
I
make
that
motion.
We
need
a
second
second.
D
The
exact
discussion
of
the
format
not
of
the
okay,
okay,
I'll,
wait
a
minute
moment
then.
D
A
Sam
go
ahead.
Has
anyone
else
here,
seen
sort
of
documents
like
that.
A
I've
seen
some
climate
related
stuff
written
that
way.
I
believe
the
mayor's
my
monarch
pledge.
A
I
don't,
I
don't
really
have
strong
feelings
on
the
matter.
I
just
kind
of
figured
that.
A
A
A
Okay,
are
there
any
major
advocates
for
the,
whereas
version?
Does
anyone
want
to
speak
for
that.
A
As
as
was
mentioned,
a
year,
vote
would
be
for
the
regular
letter
format
and.
A
Abstain,
all
right,
matthias
I'll
vote.
Yes,.
A
A
F
The
city
has,
as
you
read
I'm
sure
the
city
has
hired
a
couple
of
different
consulting
firms
to.
F
Like
we're
kind
of
jumping
the
gun,
with
an
opinion
before
we
actually
read
the
results.
F
Yeah
I
agree,
the
city
is
not
believe
me.
The
city
will
not
be.
A
F
As
we
hear
the
results,
we
can
work
together
with
somebody
some
other
entity.
F
Running
around
out
there,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
what
we
do
in
terms
of
robert's
rules
here.
E
But
tabling
it
means
that
it
will
eventually
have
to
come
back.
Yeah
tabling
sounds
pretty.
D
A
Noted
sam.
B
I
just
I
wanted
to
agree
with
what
both
david
and
linda
said,
starting
with
david.
B
B
Just
that's
how
it
happens,
but
but
back
to
what
linda
was
saying,
I
think
it's
a
good
opportunity.
B
To
work
with
other
entities
to
maybe
even
push
this
beyond
the
city
level
like
I
know
that.
B
B
Statewide
about
lead,
poisoning
and
just
led
toxicity.
I
mean
there
should
definitely
be.
A
Action
being
taken,
yeah
and
I'll
just
add
really
quickly
again.
Sorry
a
lead.
A
I
Is
the
big
to
me,
the
big
elephant
in
the
room
is
the
fact
that
in
a
community
like
bloomington.
I
I
A
A
All
right,
so
we
will
do
the
voice
vote
once
again
I'll
kind
of
do
roll.
I
vote
yes
to
tabling.
A
I
believe,
then,
the
next
topic
was
the
ostrom
fellow
or
intern,
and
what
we
could
do.
G
Put
him
in
touch
with
aaron
hatch
and
he
kind
of
said
yeah
that
all
sounds
good,
but
I
haven't.
G
Really
heard
back
from
since
so
I
don't
know
if
he
already
found
something
to
do
for
some
most.
G
Room
fellows
and
he
doesn't
need
activities
or
research
to
be
done
anymore
or,
if
he's
just.
G
Kind
of
tabled
that
for
now,
but
I
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea
if
we
we
wait
and
see
what.
G
A
Decided
on
projects
just
so,
we
know
whether
we
should
commit
more
time
and
attention
to
it.
A
D
Could
work
with
us
no
well,
yes,.
F
F
Questions
and
get
the
low
down,
but
there
won't
be
one
individual
dedicated
to
that.
F
It
also
means
several
people
have
to
learn
the
you.
You
know
the
nuances
of
the
udo.
F
Yes-
and
they
have,
they
have
a
schedule
and
the
2022
schedule
will
come
out.
F
In
december
or
january,
but
the
next
meeting
will
be
this
at
11
30
december
14th.
E
Proposals
that
are
asking
for
waivers
exceptions
right.
No,
no,
that's
that's
not
correct.
F
Okay,
basically,
the
ecpc
sees
all
of
the
cases
that
go
to
the
plan.
Commission.
E
It's
going
to
be
approved
or
not,
I
don't
recall,
seeing
those
before
yeah
they
you,
you
see
them.
F
F
Like
that
now
we
used
to
have
a
lot
more
issues
in
the
the
memos
that
didn't
have
to
do
with.
F
The
udo
like
say
we,
you
know,
recommended
that
they
use
native
plants.
Well,
we
recommended.
F
That,
in
you
know
every
one
of
our
memos,
even
though
it
wasn't
in
the
it
wasn't
in.
F
F
But
you
know
it's:
just
the
the
big
oversight
will
go
to
the
current
planners.
E
F
You
know
those
kinds
of
things
will
be
left
up
to
the
current
planners.
Now.
F
Important
then
you'll
have
to
contact
you'll
have
to
work
with
one
of
the
current
planners.
A
All
right
sam!
So
if
I
may
ask
so
what
exactly
changed
in
the
planning
commission
that.
B
Sort
of
caused
this
new
arrangement,
nothing
in
the
plan.
Commission,
okay,
is
my
director.
F
Thought
that
my
time
would
be
better
spent
on
long-range
environmental
issues
rather
than.
B
More
of
a
formal
connection
than
between
us
and
the
planning,
commissioner.
B
Whoever
just
so
that,
maybe
that
process
could
be
easier
and
more.
You
know.
E
Automated
a
little
bit
yeah,
then
kind
of
it
being
like
searching
in
the
dark
for
stuff.
F
Got
like
the
when,
when
each
development
comes
along,
there's
like
a
for
a
bit
lack
of.
F
That,
basically
does
what
I
have
always
done,
or
are
you
gonna
divvy
it
up.
F
Eric
karina
are
both
full-time
current
planners.
F
E
E
With
no
warning
right,
there
wasn't
any
warning.
I
don't
know.
E
Yes,
it
is
internal
to
the
department,
and
you
know
the
director.
F
E
Stepping
down
from
the
commission
at
the
end
of
december,
because
there's
just
a
limit
to
what.
E
I
can
do
as
a
person,
but
I
would
certainly
be
willing
to
talk
to
the
mayor
about
this
and
and.
E
E
To
this
community
is
in
our
keeping
an
eye
on
development
projects.
C
A
We
can
certainly
ask
him
my
my
biggest
issue
is:
availability
is
difficult.
A
A
Be
able
to
kind
of
figure
out
a
plan
here:
oh,
we
can
figure
out
a
plan.
E
Itemized
list
of
the
kinds
of
support
that
the
ec
needs
to
be
able
to
do
this
job.
You
know,
okay,.
A
As
if
you'd
be
willing
to
speak
on
our
behalf,
but
I
appreciate
that
a
lot-
I
guess
our
next.
A
Item
of
business
would
be
future
guest
columns
and
also
future
guest
speakers,
linda
ben.
A
Dece,
what
exactly
was
were
we
looking
for
with
this
bullet
point
like
a
procedure.
A
For
either
of
those
actually,
I
thought
this
was
something
david
asked
to
discuss.
F
Well,
it
could
have
been.
Maybe
it
was
just
to
make.
A
All
got
busy,
they
kind
of
stopped
happening,
and
I
remember
last
calendar
year
when.
A
A
I
A
Today,
do
you
guys
still
do
the
bucket
list
meeting
in
january?
It
strikes
me.
A
Whether
it's
guest
columns
or
if
someone
wants
to
write
something
shorter,
like
letters
to
the.
A
A
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
action
is
required
and
how
much
each
individual
is
willing
to
write.
A
A
You
want
to
say
anything
on
this
issue,
or
are
you
just
saving
haydn
until
announcements.
J
To
speak
necessarily,
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
when
I
put
this
on
the
agenda,
the
idea.
J
Was
to
get
people
thinking
of
ideas
for
next
year.
But
if
you
want
to
save
that
for
the.
J
Bucket
list
me
that
makes
sense
as
well
what
the
damian
said
so
but
yeah
I'm
a
member
of.
J
A
Don
is
your
hands
still
up
yeah.
I
guess
one
of
the
things
that's.
I
A
Or,
or
or
columns,
if,
if
you
wanted
to
use
one
to
say
the
things
you
appreciate
the
administration.
A
A
A
That
I
can
say
from
experience
when
you're
a
newer
commissioner
and
you
don't
know
all.
A
So
I
don't
know
exactly
how
we
want
to
structure
it,
what
we,
what
we
would
want
to
do,
and
we.
I
The
city
planning
parks
department,
planting
trees,
because
I've
participated
in
those
events.
I
And
if
you
add
up
with
the
tree
commissions,
other
groups
within
the
city,
planting.
I
We're
doing
a
fair,
quite
a
bit
of
work.
I
mean
tomorrow,
we're
gonna
be
putting
out
more.
I
Seeds
into
southeast
part,
we
collected
some
seeds
today
from
wart
cascades
for
future
planning.
A
Know
in
advance,
or
we
can
have
a
time
slot
in
any
given
meeting.
I
don't
know
exactly
how
that's.
A
A
A
Sam,
I
just
want
to
say
I've
told
linda
about
this
too.
It's.
B
Everybody
here
at
the
end
of
this
year,
I
think
I
might
have
it
ready
next
next
month,
actually.
B
And
I'd
be
happy
to
share
that
with
everybody.
That's
great,
hopefully,
we'll
be
able
to
identify.
B
Maybe
just
some
specific
parking
areas
in
town
that
could
maybe
eventually
be
retrofitted
to
be.
A
Sounds
really
cool
looking
forward
to
seeing
it
let's
see
madison
you
have
any
announcements.
A
Good
dave
yeah,
since
this
was
our
50th
anniversary,
and
it
was
also
the
50th
anniversary.
D
Of
birthday,
I
I
like
to
tell
a
story
about
the
first
birthday
that
a
few
of
you
who
have.
D
D
Of
wisconsin
and
a
friend
of
mine,
dick
tracy,
who
was,
I
was
a
botanist,
he
was
a
zoologist.
D
But
the
two
of
us
were
on
in
the
local
group
of
zero
population
growth.
D
And
so
there
were
booths
all
up
and
down
state
street
in
madison,
wisconsin
and
dick,
and
I.
D
Wrote
a
little
basic
program
wrote
a
little
basic
program.
D
That
would
ask
people
how
many
kids
each
family
should
have,
and
then
it
would.
D
D
D
State
street
to
do
this,
and
if
we
could
keep
it
going
for
more
than
an
hour.
E
Of
the
december
meeting-
and
I
just
wanted
to
say,
I
think
you
guys
are
doing
a
great
job
and.
A
L
Yeah,
so
I
think
I've
got
two
things
to
kind
of
just
put
on
the
radar.
L
To
get
iu
to
divest
from
fueling
or
funding
fossil
fuel
interests
and
they're
picking
up.
L
A
lot
of
traction
they've
made
the
news
a
lot,
and
so
I
think
this
is
something
really.
L
Some
people
in
the
iu
foundation
it'd
be
really
helpful
and
yeah
quentin
depperts.
L
And
the
second
thing
I
just
wanted
to
put
on
the
radar
and
linda
sorry,
I
saw
that
I
actually
did.
L
L
Crisis:
kids,
who
are
a
statewide
organization,
trying
to
get
indiana
to
declare
a
climate
crisis.
L
L
L
L
L
Confront
the
climate
crisis
and
yeah
they're
a
really
cool
group
of
high
school
students.
A
Awesome,
thank
you
don
yeah,
all
right.
My
wife
probably
got
a
little
bit
annoyed.
I
For
me
for
doing
this,
but
she's,
formerly
the
assistant
associate
whatever
vp
for.
I
Human
resources
at
the
iu
foundation,
but
her
long-term
colleague
and
chum.
I
Is
philip
philippa
guthrie,
who,
I
believe
is
going
back
to
being
the
or
has
gone
back
left
the.
I
City
and
has
gone
back
to
the
foundation
as
a
interim
herod
position
as
their
chief
attorney.
I
And
if
somebody
wants
to
get
a
talk
to
somebody
in
the
foundation,
I
would
suggest
philippa.
L
L
A
Right,
benjamin.
F
News
when
we
talked
about
the
memos.