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A
C
B
A
You
all
right,
we
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
I
C
D
A
You
Dee
all
right.
So,
let's
move
on
to
the
coas,
we
have
a
staff
review
of
COA
23-10.
E
So
this
is
just
a
very
quick
recap:
petitioner,
Kelly
Easton
had
requested
a
temporary
sign
for
Cabello
at
106
West
6th
Street.
After
reviewing
the
application
staff
actually
denied
this
of
a
a
temporary
sign
and
requested
resubmittal.
The
petitioners
did
not
see
the
message
any
of
the
emails
never
responded.
E
They
put
up
the
sign,
then
they
quickly
removed
it
when
planning
called
them
and
now
we're
just
waiting
for
a
resubmittal
and
the
basically
the
observations
that
staff
had
was
that
the
sign
should
in
some
way
just
go
a
little
better
with
the
with
the
finish
the
patterning
of
the
fenestration
and
the
sizes
and
everything
just
be
a
little
bit
more
subtle,
because
in
the
end,
when
they
did
print
it
out,
it
was
very
big
and
just
hanging
and
flapping
from
the
awning
so
yeah.
A
A
Thank
you
Gloria
all
right.
Let's
move
on
to
COA
23-14,
817,
West,
6th,
Street
and
I,
see
Mrs
Scott
is
with
us
all.
E
Right,
yes,
sorry,
let
me
allow
Jen
to
unmute,
so
John
Scott
petitioned
for
the
replacement
of
five
Windows.
So
these
are
original
two
by
two
windows,
and
this
is
in
the
near
West
Side.
It
is
ideal
that,
when
a
historic
window,
if
it
can
be
restored
or
repaired,
that
the
option
be
explored
as
well
as
the
possible
installation
or
a
change
of
storm
windows,
the
guidelines
are
currently
being
updated
for
this
historic
district
to
reflect.
E
The
community
preferences
regarding
their
historic
material,
the
window
sizes
and
proportions
do
need
to
remain
the
same.
So
as
to
minimize
the
visual
impact
of
the
material
change
and
the
petitioner
actually
submitted
the
window
design
for
the
two
over
two
pattern,
which
had
not
been
included
in
the
packet,
because
the
petitioner
had
to
request
their
manufacturer
to
rework
the
design.
So
staff
does
recommend
approval
for
COA
23-14.
E
The
near
West
Side
commented
that
the
the
committee
did
meet
and
there
were
a
few
people
in
the
committee
that
really
wanted
a
two
over
two
thought.
It
would
be
more
appropriate,
but
in
general
was
considered
a
suggestion
and
the
committee
in
general
did
not
see
have
a
problem
with
the
proposal,
so
this
is
an
image
of
the
front
and
side,
and
this
is
another
image
of
how
the
house
looks
like
now,
and
these
are
the
new
windows
as
have
been
submitted
and
the
petitioner
is
online.
A
All
right
Jen,
do
you
have
any
do
you
have
any
additional
information
for
us.
J
I
think
she
she
basically
covered
it.
You
know
the
initial
window
that
we
had
proposed
didn't
have
the
that
vertical
Grille,
which
I
actually
prefer
the
look
of
this
and
I'm
perfectly
fine,
so
I
had
the
manufacturer.
J
You
know,
provide
a
updated
rendering
with
that
that
vertical
Grill
piece
so
that
it
mimics
that
you
over
to
you
know
as
close
to
the
original
as
possible.
But
yeah
I
mean
really
it's
a
it's.
A
matter
of
you
know
functionality,
unfortunately
they're
just
so
far
material
rated
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
them
coming
back
as
much
as
I
would
love
to
energy
and
functionality.
Question
really,
but.
C
J
Sure
you
know
they
are
on
the
outside
and
the
inside.
So
these
this.
This
slide
that
we're
on
shows
that
you
know
they
are
reflected
both
ways.
I,
don't
know
if
the.
If
the
question
is
like,
if
the
glass
panel
is
actually
physically
divided,
I,
don't
think
so.
Yeah
I
first
Doom,
it's
probably
an
overlay
on
either
side
I,
don't
think
they
like
cut
the
glass
but
I.
Don't
I
can't
speak
to
that
100
I'm
I
mean
I'm,
not
sure
I
have
to
ask
them
manufacturer.
A
C
As
Gloria
mentioned,
the
neighborhood
is
updating
their
their
guidelines,
so
we
don't
actually
have
historic
district
guidelines.
We
just
have
the
Conservation
District
ones,
but
in
a
meeting
what
two
days
ago,
then
the
neighborhood
is
moving
towards
sort
of
historic
district
light
and
don't
want
to
really
regulate.
As
far
as
I
can
tell
this
sort
of
stuff
and
although
I'm
a
big
fan
of
original
windows
and
I'm
sad
to
see
the
original
Windows
go.
This
is
not
what
the
district
wants.
D
I
just
want
to
make
one
clarification,
but
it
the
existing
old
wood
windows
with
the
thermal
pain,
are
equivalent
to
energy
wise
to
a
window.
That
is
double
paint.
It's
pretty
close,
so
there's
no
energy,
if
you're,
if
you're,
going
to,
if
you're,
going
to
keep
old
windows
and
put
other
piece
of
glass,
oh
yeah,
certainly
it's
equal
yeah
petitioner
said
that
there
was
a
difference
and
there
really
isn't.
So
that's
not
one
reason
to
get
rid
of
over
them.
Correct!
That's
all
interesting.
J
I
understand,
okay,
so
then
it
was
cutting
in
and
out
a
little
bit
there
that
that's,
that's
actually
good
information
to
know.
I
know
it's
I
I
really
hate
it
that
the
it's
the
functionality
of
them.
D
J
Seems
to
be
warping
of
the
wood
like
swelling
and
warping
of
the
wood
I
mean
the
with
the
the
Rope.
You
know
the
the
obviously
on
the
road
I
mean
those
would
need
to
be
replaced
because
a
lot
of
those
are
missing,
but
it
seems
to
be
more
of
like
expanding
and
Contracting
of
the
wood
is
also
an
issue
with
them
just
being
able
to
open
and
close
well.
D
Because
there
there
is
another
product
that
doesn't
require,
you
know,
take
I
mean
it's
not
not
hard
to
replace
the
Rope,
but
there
is
another
product
from
the
1930s
that
is
made
out
of
airplane
wire
and
spring,
and
it
works
really
well
to
raise
and
lower
these
windows.
We
had
some
really
big
old
wood
windows,
it
were
yeah,
there
was
no
room
for
it
and
it
was.
A
Also
to
retrofit
those
with
vinyl
tracks
on
each
side.
D
J
D
J
For
me
to
explore
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
D
D
A
No
comments,
great
I,
don't
have
any
comments,
we'll
need
a
motion.
A
D
E
That
you
can
either
okay.
B
E
E
That
they
would
not
need
a
COA
to
repair
the
windows.
If
the
repair
doesn't
go
well,
they
will
still
have.
If
this
is
approved,
they
would
still
have
a
COA
to
read
yeah.
A
Welcome:
okay,
Elizabeth,
yes,
did
I
miss
anybody
who
says
myself
Sam,
yes,
okay
and
I
vote
Yes,
JD.
A
E
So
2521
North
Rich
Drive,
the
petitioner
Tucker
Gerald,
is
requesting
the
removal
of
a
three
Season
room
on
the
back,
so
it's
basically
partially
covered
back
porch
or
deck
and
the
concrete
pad
and
then
replacing
it
with
a
larger
room,
pretty
open
room
with
heating
so
that
it
could
be
a
Four
Season
room.
The
proposed
porch
replacement
uses
the
recommended
materials
of
stone,
concrete
and
wood
and
would
be
located
on
the
back
of
the
building.
Even
though
it
is
visible
from
a
main
right-of-way
staff
recommends
approval
of
co8
23-15.
E
Wait:
I
haven't
shown
you
the
sorry,
sorry,
the
Matlock
Heights
construction
subcommittee
is
okay
with
this
proposal.
They
have
different
comments,
such
as
great
design,
looks
great
works
well
for
me,
it's
well
thought
out
and
they
hope
that
Bloomington
HPC
will
approve.
The
COA
here
is
some
more
context.
The
visuals
are
very.
This
is
just
a
personal
bias.
They
are
very
lovely
architecturally,
and
so
this
is
here,
you
can
see
the
location
to
the
right,
and
here
are
more
photos.
This
is
the
current
deck.
E
How
it
looks
like
so
it
says,
create
basically
a
screened
and
porch.
This
is
another.
A
rendering
of
what
it
looks
like
here
is
our
rendering
of
the
all
the
area
that
would
be
removed
with
this
proposal
and
bright
red
and
here's
another
image
of
what
would
be
removed
with
the
floor
plan,
and
this
is
the
proposed
Edition,
which
is
a
bit
different.
It's
a
it's
more
enclosed
and
would
have
a
chimney
for
heating.
E
It
does
use
the
the
low
a
low
roof
yeah,
and
here
are
some
more
renderings
of
how
it
would
look
like.
A
You
is
the
petitioner.
E
Let
me
here
we
go.
Thank
you
Tucker
all.
A
Right,
thank
you.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
Duncan
do
you
have
any
questions.
L
From
what
I've
seen
on
the
Elevate?
Yes,
it
is.
L
C
I've
got
a
question:
if
you
go
to
she,
it's
it's
the
elevation
that
says
like
eight
301
or
something
in
the
packet.
C
That
one
and
you've
got
the
siding
called
out
as
number
four,
but
that
number
four
is
blank.
Can
you
tell
us
what
that
siding
is.
L
The
election
here,
that's
really
what
the
client
wants
to
do.
We
had
a
discussion
about
boarding
that
cedar,
but
since
that
discussion
for
the
client's
pretty
strong
on
having
lifestyle
of
the
year,
so
there
may
be
one
accent
wall
which
is
showed
in
an
elevation
speed
that
smaller
wall,
where
the
outdoor
shower
would
be
that
still
might
be
alive
or
might
be
a
steer
born
in
Baton,
but
the
rush
would
be
align.
L
No,
this
is
this
was
an
older
representation.
Before
we
had
made
that
finals,
let's
go.
B
C
C
C
L
E
D
E
E
L
C
L
C
I
was
going
to
initially
compliment
you
on
how
clear
your
drawings
were
until
we
got
into
this
and
now
I
am
like.
If
you
have
a
veneer
whoa,
you
know
it's
it's
veneer
and
if
you're
changing
from
one
material
to
another,
then
you
know
I
it
I
I,
I,
don't
I'm
an
architect
and
I
hate
it.
When
people
use
like
materials
like
wallpaper,
so
I'm.
C
Wait,
let
me
finish,
let
me
finish
yelling
at
you,
so
I'm
concerned
about
the
the
transitions
between
one
to
the
other.
That
said,
this
is
the
back
of
a
house.
The
overall
form
doesn't
preclude
this
style
of
the
house.
It's
not
negating
that,
but
I
think
the
original
three
season
porch
was
more
elegant.
I
mean
as
long
as
the
neighbor
does
the
neighborhood
say
anything
about
this.
They
don't
have
an
issue
they're
all
for
it.
I
don't
I
mean
I.
Have
mixed
feelings
is
I,
guess
where
I
go
so.
C
C
I
mean
it's
very,
very
clear,
I
think
the
drawings
you
did
that
show
what
your!
What
your
demo
plan
is.
Those
that's
fantastic,
that's
incredibly
clear
and
I
wish
everybody
would
do
it
like
that.
That
said
you
we
don't
have
a
drawing
that
shows
what
you're
doing,
and
that
really
bothers
me.
D
Marlene
comments,
oh
so
I
kind
of
agree
with
Sam.
One
of
the
other
things
you
might
think
about
is:
if
you
have
an
outdoor
shower,
you
probably
want
some
shielding
or
something
so
you
might,
if
you're,
desperate,
to
use
that
kind
of
wood
somewhere
make
that
sort
of
a
short
wall
that
go.
That
extends
the
wall,
that's
behind
the
shower,
and
then
you
have
like
a
little
alcove
and
the
rest
is
kind
of
it's
kind
of
still
Stone,
because
it
is
kind
of
an
arbitrary.
D
A
Thank
you
remember.
L
I
the
client
is
going
to
put
in
political,
hot
tub
on
that
concrete
patio
and
I
also
addressed
the.
L
L
O
N
O
Oh,
it's
comments.
I
think
there
should
be
drainage
for
the
ogre
jar.
N
A
B
I
That
so
would
we
be
able
to
to
ask
them
to
come
back
with
the
finalized
drawings,
with
some
of
the
updates,
as
Sam
pointed
out,
or
the
drainage,
as
as
Renard
brought
up
Glory
I,
just
don't
I.
Just
don't
remember,
is
the
March
8th,
that's
the
day
that
they
filed.
So
how
long
do
they
have
I
know
it's
a
little
while.
E
I
Donors
I'm
asking
is
with
with
the
client
having
recently
shifted
some
of
the
the
material
for
the
outdoor
and
everything
just
so
we
can
get
a
better
idea
on
what's
gonna
be
put
in
place,
was
the
only
reason
I
wanted
to
to
check
on
next,
and
thank
you
for
the
for
the
dates
on
that
Gloria
and.
C
E
L
M
Well,
I
I,
have
you
know
for
obvious
reasons,
I
agree
with
what's
been
said
about,
we
want
to
see.
We
want
to
see
plans
that
are
what's
going
to
be
built,
although
I
I'm
not
totally
con
I'm,
not
very
confused
by
the
the
rendering
that
shows.
I,
don't
know
what
page
it
is
a
201.
M
With
the
elevation,
no,
the
next
I
think
next,
one
down
yeah
that
I'm
not
very
confused
by
the
form
and
how
it
functions
with
the
rest
of
the
house,
which
is
pretty
important
but
I.
My
comment
is
the
reason
I
ask
if
the
if
the
three
Season
room
was
original
is
because
it's
so
distinctively
mid-century
it.
It
is
so
such
a
defining
characteristic,
I
don't
care
if
it
is
on
the
back.
M
It's
the
thing
that
makes
this
house
important
in
this
historic
district
and
so
you're,
taking
off
what
I
consider
to
be
the
most
important
aspect
of
the
historiosity
of
the
house
and
you're,
replacing
it
with
something
that
looks
just
like
somebody
might
want
the
house
to
look
today,
but
doesn't
look
anything
like
a
mid-century
Edition
as
compatible
as
it
is
and
as
I
can
see
how
nicely
it
will
fit
and
how
usable
it
is
as
a
all-season
room.
M
That's
that's
my
primary
objection
to
the
design
of
it
and
also
in
general,
when
you
put
additions
on
historic
structures,
you
don't
imitate
the
sighting.
You
try
to
just
make
it
distinctive
so
making
it
all.
M
Limestone
is
going
to
even
hide
the
fact
more
that
it's
an
addition
and
and
I'd
almost
prefer,
I,
don't
particularly
like
deciding
the
way
you've
rendered
it
or
the
the
notion
of
board
and
batten
citing
either,
but
it
is
important
for
additions
to
Historic
structures
to
be
distinctive,
not
to
fit
in
as
well
as
this
one
apparently
wants
to
so
I
I
sort
of
feel
like
it's
Mr,
the
designs
misdirected,
because
you're
taking
off
the
best
part
and
you're
putting
on
something
that
is
kind
of
boring.
To
be
honest,
that's
my
comment.
A
C
Do
we
need
the
the
petitioners
permission.
B
P
C
That's
not
exactly
I
would
argue.
What's
going
on,
I
think,
that's
one
thing
that
we
would
like
to
see
and
I
think
that
Duncan
has
also
brought
up
the
fact
that
this
Edition
is
basically
diminishing
the
the
the
historic
impact,
the
historic
importance
of
the
house,
and
so
you
know.
P
Yeah
I,
you
guys
you
guys,
obviously
are
you
know,
help
preserve
our
community,
we're
appreciative
of
it.
So
you
know
more
about
this
than
than
I
do
that
room
from
our
evaluation
from
the
client's
evaluation?
P
P
You
know
it's
a
cheaper
sun
room
that
you
would
have
bought
in
I.
Don't
know,
I,
don't
know
man,
it
was
put
on
68
the
81
I.
Don't
know,
if
not
I
guess
perhaps
we
need
to
bring
some
some
other
pictures
of
the
structure.
Acid
stands
because
I
think
that
might
help
the
Sinclair
you
and
but
we'll
we'll
take
care
of
everything,
get
it
all
done
for
you
and
Tucker.
Thank
you
so
much
for
presenting
this.
It
looks
good
to
me
we're
pretty
proud
of
it.
L
I
will
say
that
I
I
agree
with
whoever
spoke
on
the
fact
that
we
don't.
They
know
it's
not
ideal,
to
add
Limestone
veneer
to
you
and
like
some
house,
and
if
you
want,
in
addition
to
be
different
material
advice
from
exterior,
but
the
client
really
has
her
heart
set
on.
L
You
know
we
do
proceed
with
this
project.
You
really
have
the
heart
set
on
to
being
Limestone
for
you
as
well.
We
tried
this,
which
is
why
I
showed
guys
in
the
sentence,
because
we
tried
to
explore
panel
options.
We've
tried
to
explore
a
lot
of
different
things
and
she
really
depends
from
our
setup.
The
video.
A
L
A
C
C
B
A
Yes,
all
right,
thank
you,
Joel!
Thank
you.
Tucker,
we'll
see,
we'll
see
you
both
next
month.
Okay,
see
ya
all
right.
Thanks
all
right.
Let's
move
on
to
COA
23-16,
336,
South,
Euclid,
Avenue
I,
know
our
petitioners
with
us.
Thank
you
for
coming
all
right.
Gloria.
E
Yeah
so
23
Dash
16
is
sorry
trying
to
having
technical
issues.
E
The
petitioner
is
requesting
to
replace
doors
on
the
house
and
on
the
garage,
eliminate
and
rear
egress
door
and
replace
the
asphalt
roof
with
black
gray
architectural
shingles.
A
staff
comments
at
the
front
and
the
garage
doors
maintain
the
size
of
the
fenestration
or
the
proposed
the,
and
these
are
the
same
doors
we
saw
the
last
time.
So
the
same
sort
of
conversations
can
continue
to
be
ongoing.
E
However,
the
yeah,
the
egress
door
does
not
can
be
argued,
and
this
is
something
for
the
HPC
to
also
determine
that
the
eager
store
does
not
require
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
as
it
falls
outside
the
scope
of
the
guidelines.
The
roof
currently
has
three
tab:
shingles,
which
are
likely
not
original,
but
architectural
shingles
are
commonly
found
in
the
neighborhood
as
well.
E
The
subcommittee
these
are
the
same
comments
for
the
two
proposals
that
Tim
Devine
brought
tonight,
so
the
majority
of
the
greater
Prospect
Hill
historic
district
design,
Review
Committee,
have
weighed
in
and
they
find
no
issues
with
the
request
for
the
two
applications.
Okay-
and
here
is
a
map
for
336
South,
Euclid
Avenue
and
the
map
mentions
the
doors,
the
two
front,
doors
to
be
replaced
and
the
non-egris
exterior
door
towards
the
back
and
then
the
replacement
of
another
door
with
a
new
door.
E
Q
Just
that's
it
other
than
I
hate,
the
aluminum
siding
and
if
I
didn't
have
to
spend
a
crazy
one
evening,
fixing
the
electric
knob
and
tube
and
plumbing
and
everything
else
inside
I'd
probably
be
I'm.
Assuming
it's
you
know:
wood
siding,
that's
one
day
in
the
future.
I
want
to
do
that
and
then
I
did
the
Roof.
Company
Ami
said
that
it
is
3D,
I,
guess
three
tap,
so
architectural
3D
and
The
Landmark
I
guess
it's
all
the
same
same.
A
All
right
thanks,
Jim
appreciate
it.
So,
let's
see
Sam
questions.
D
B
C
D
D
Q
He
said,
I
explained
the
situation
and
he
said
that
a
the
house
is
Grandfather,
so
you
don't
even
have
to
meet
the
window.
Opening
code
I.
D
Q
Q
Just
curious,
you
know
the
rear
one
will
be
through
the
kitchen
and
the
bedroom
and
then
the
front
will
be
the
there's
a
bedroom
and
then
the
front
door.
C
Q
What's
that
one
is
through
the
bedroom
in
the
front,
one
is
through
the
bedroom
and
the
rear,
so
the
one
that
I'm
eliminating
is
the
one
that's
currently
in
laundry
room
and
I'm
turning
that
into
a
bathroom.
Q
D
But
what
the
windows
for
grandfather
but
I,
don't
think
the
doors
would.
Then
you
should
go
back
to
ask.
D
D
Little
back
door
into
other
doors,
other
two
doors
are
going
through
bedrooms
and
the
whole
point
of
that
is
to
be
able
to
get
out
of
the.
And
if
you
have
a
bedroom
with
a
door
bedroom
door,
locked
the
other
exit.
The
two
bedrooms
is
the
other
door
locked
and
there's
a
fire
between
wherever
and
the
exterior.
The.
B
D
Q
Q
D
Q
N
B
C
N
R
F
R
My
answer
Bernard
would
be
that
your
you're
you're
not
tasked
with
knowing
necessarily
whether
something
is
up
to
code
or
not.
You
make
the
approval
and
then
the
building
department
and
others
who
would
do
the
inspection
would
decide
whether
that's
up
to
code
prior
to
the
work
beginning
so
and
I'm.
Sorry,
I'm,
mostly
observing
I,
haven't
heard
what
permitting
processes
have
been
investigated
or
done
yet,
but
I
would
encourage
the
petitioner.
R
Sorry
if
I'm
repeating
information
is
that
so
I
would
encourage
that
to
continue,
and
then,
if,
if
the
building
department
it
reviews
that
permit
and
decide
something's
not
up
to
code,
then
they're
going
to
let
the
petitioner
know.
That's
I,
don't
think
that
puts
the
HPC
in
any
hot
water.
N
R
F
F
Certainly,
the
the
person
who
owns
the
real
estate
and
the
people
that
that
person
hires
to
do
the
work
will
need
to
be
responsible
for
making
sure
that
whatever
they're
doing
meets
code,
and
there
are
other
governmental
entities
that
have
to
review
these
plans
and
make
sure
that
whatever
they're
doing
is
accurate
in
accordance
with
code.
Whether
this
is
in
advance
of
and
and
somehow
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
F
I
don't
know
that
it
is
because,
as
we
sit
here
today,
we
don't
know
whether
what's
being
proposed
actually
is
or
is
not
grandfathered,
or
you
know,
code
violation
or
anything
like
that.
F
Not
concerned
with
the
interior
of
the
home,
we're
concerned
with
the
exterior
of
the
doors
and
whether
those
fit
in
with
with
your
historic
preservation
reviews.
Okay,.
D
A
Q
But
it's
there's
a
subject
too
or
something
where,
if
the
commission
were
decided
to
approve
it
subject
to
the,
if
the
building
department
says
that
that
it
doesn't
mean
code,
then
the
door
I
mean
it
sounds
like
a
jurisdiction
issue.
But
I'll
work
with
you
guys.
I
just
don't
want
to
wait
again
until
another
month
because
technically
in
how
the
process
is
what
I've
read
you
have
to
get
approval
first
for
a
COA
before
you
can
even
apply
for
a
permit,
so
I
applied
for
a
permit,
because
I
know
the
county
improves
permits
pretty
quickly.
Q
Q
Q
D
To
protect
yourself
draw
a
plan,
you
draw
a
plan,
not
an
architect
or
anybody
else
of
what
your
intention
is
to
show
where
the
circulation
is,
where
the
exterior,
where
the
egg
egress
is
and
where
the
bedrooms
are
I
mean
you
know
this:
it's
not
a
big
house.
You
could
do
that
just
for
your
own,
your
own
benefit,
I
I,
don't
really
care
from
your
perspective
of
the
commission,
but
as
an
architect
I
think
you
should.
A
N
I
A
A
N
Oh
I
mean
the
experts
have
confirm
that
it's
not
our
point
of
view,
so
I
will
not
allow
it
to
be
a
factor
in
my
decision,
but
I
mean
I'm
a
bureaucrat
I
like
things
to
make
sense,
sometimes
especially
when
it's
taxpayers
dollars,
but
I'm
gonna
have
to
suspend
my
need
foreign.
C
Two
quick
comments:
one
is
the
owner
might
consider
if
they're
putting
you
know
blocking
off
that
door
in
the
laundry
room
and
they're
going
to
make
it
a
bathroom.
If
they're
worried
about
security,
maybe
make
it
a
window,
I
would
approve
a
an
additional
opening
back
there.
The
only
other
thing
is:
there's
a
million
ways
to
solve
internal
circulation
issues
and
our
purview
is
not
yeah.
This
is
probably
said
with
the
inside.
It's
just
the
outside.
So
that's
the
process.
A
B
R
D
A
All
right,
thank
you,
Dee
that
Tim
you're.
Up
again,
we
have
COA
23-17
918
West,
4th
Street.
E
E
The
proposed
replacement
design
for
the
door
has
a
different
design
but
is
generally
compatible
with
the
historic
district,
and
the
comment
from
the
greater
Prospect
Hill
subcommittee
was
the
same.
They
find
no
issues
with
the
request
in
the
applications,
and
here
are
images.
So
here
is
the
plan
and
the
map
for
for
this
house,
and
here
is
the
view
from
the
front.
E
And
again
it
is
the
same
same
door
that
designed
that
would
be
going
on
the
other
property.
B
M
A
Raise
your
hand,
please,
okay,
comments.
Sam,
give.
C
The
six
panel
doors
obviously
aren't
original
the
only
original
door.
With
this
one,
and
even
the
last
one
was
the
side
door.
I
know
it's
a
little
more
cottagey
the
door
that
they're
proposing
is
a
little
more
craftsmany,
but
you
know
compared
to
the
the
six
panels
they're
better-ish,
but
I'm
going
to
support
this.
Thank
you.
Sam.
A
M
A
N
A
E
E
So
the
petitioners
are
requesting
the
removal
of
the
chimney
and
replacement
of
two
windows
on
the
South
and
West
sides
along
the
kitchen
staff
comments
that
the
windows
and
chimney
are
not
located
on
the
public
facing
facade.
However,
the
chimney
is
visible
from
the
front
and
is
part
of
the
massing
of
the
building.
The
chimney
removal
does
constitute
a
partial
Demolition
and
the
chimney
is
in
poor
condition.
E
E
Towards
the
back
of
the
house
and
the
chimney,
sorry
and
that's
the
chimney
to
be
removed,
so
John
can
speak
more
about
this,
but
we
suspect
that
the
staff
suspects
that
the
chimney
is
not
original.
That
is
something
that
can
be
discussed
this
with
the
commission
further.
But
with
that
said,
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
COA
23-18
and
I
hand
it
off
to
the
HPC.
Thank.
K
Okay,
I
have
not
removed
the
the
final
sighting
that.
B
K
Borders
the
two
sides
of
the
chimney
that
are
that's
there,
but
the
the
way
it's
framed
there
appears
to
be
siding
behind
the
actual.
The
original
sighting
of
the
house
is
appears
to
be
behind
the
chimney,
that's
in
place
and
the
the
chimney
itself
is
very
deteriorated.
There
are,
there
are
lines,
you
know
the
first
three
or
four
feet
up
from
the
ground.
K
There
are
cracks
that
appear
to
be
the
the
the
brick
splitting
away
from
what
is
behind
that
that
particular,
you
know
down
to
the
lining
of
the
chimney
so
that
the
brick
you
know
going
up
at
least
as
high
as
the
window
that
you
see
sort
of
behind
that
chimney.
In
the
view
there
on
the
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
screen.
K
K
It
is,
it
is
benign
it
they
don't
have
a
wood
stove
in
that
particular
area,
and
the
furnace
in
the
house
is
not
vented
through
the
chimney
at
all,
and
neither
is
the
water
here.
It's
simply
something
that
was
tacked
on
I,
think
or
a
wood
stove
in
the
in
the
living
room
at
some
point.
K
A
Thank
you,
John
questions,
Duncan.
K
Correct
you
can
sort
of
see
the
extended
roof
line
in
the
in
the
photo
on
the
back
side
of
the
house
showing
how
they
sort
of
change
the
the
pitch
and
added
added
a
bathroom
and
a
bedroom
and
part
of
the
I
guess
what
they
call
the
mud,
room
or
laundry
room
in
the
inside
the
house
on
the
back
side
that
that
sort
of
stretched
the
exterior
so
yeah.
It's
the
addition
on
the
back
side
has
these.
K
These
windows
are
sort
of
a
wood
frame
window
that
we
see
a
lot
or
I,
see
a
lot
of
excuse
me
in
rental
properties
throughout
the
city
that
to
me
appear
to
have
been
installed
in
the
70s
or
80s,
not
a
not
a
really
good
quality
window
and
that
they
don't
work
well
for
the
the
owners
of
the
home.
K
D
K
The
proposal
for
this
protection-
and
you
guys
have
this
commission-
has
seen
the
project
this
project
before
I
was
I,
was
incomplete
in
providing
information
on
the
work
right
up
to
Gloria
when
we
went
this
was
for
us
before
you
before,
but
we're
removing
all
the
vinyl
siding
and
actually
going
back
to
wood,
siding
paint
and
and
turned
turned
four
by
four
post
pillars,
holding
the
the
front
porch
up
instead
of
the
faux
wrought
iron
that
you
see
there.
K
Basically,
the
the
plan
is
to
bring
it
back
to
a
more
traditional
look
for
the
neighborhood
and
have
it
match
the
houses
either
side
that
have
been
sort
of
had
had
that
facade
treatment
where
the
the
vinyl
has
been
removed
and
the
wood
store
to
its
place.
Thank
you,
exciting.
E
Richard
Lewis
raises
him
Richard.
Let
me
ask
them
to
me.
H
E
A
H
Right
good
evening,
everyone,
this
is
Richard
Lewis,
Prospect,
Hill
resident
and
a
member
of
the
historic
district.
H
Sorry
one
bill
started
commenting
and
saying
that
your
inclined
to
approve
I,
probably
don't
need
to
say
anything
except
that
I
would
chime
in
and
say,
yeah
the
existing
chimney
looks
atypical
and
not
original,
based
on
the
design
of
most
of
these
houses,
where
the
chimneys
were
interior
to
the
house.
So
this
would
not
cause
any
issues
as
far
as
the
removal
of
original
materials
in
that
sense
and
then
yeah,
the
other
windows
are
all
away
from
the
public
way
facade.
So
they
would
not
factoring
to
our
concerns
on
that.
A
Prospect
Hill
historic
district
on
that.
Thank
you,
Richard,
any
more
comments.
A
I
C
N
A
E
The
petitioners
are
requesting
to
add
a
dormer
to
the
secondary
facade
facing
the
South,
as
well
as
there's
three
different
things
that
are
being
requested.
Adding
the
Dormer
then
adding
an
egress
window
to
an
existing
Dormer
on
the
front
on
the
west
facing
facade
and
racing
the
Gable
on
the
North
facade
by
20
inches
in
order
to
comply
with
comply
with
regulations.
E
With
code,
sorry
thanks,
so
the
new
purple
storm
around
the
secondary
facade
constitutes
a
change.
The
outline
of
the
building,
but
is
consistent
with
the
existing
Dormer.
The
window
on
the
existing
Dormer
of
the
primary
facade
is
currently
a
single
or
double
hung
vinyl
window,
which
needs
to
be
replaced
with
a
casement
window
in
order
to
meet
egress
code.
And
finally,
the
I
don't
have
anything
written
here,
but
the
the
change
to
the
so
here
you
could
see
this.
This
is
the
first.
E
This
would
be
the
proposed
new
window,
which
would
be
double
hung
with
the
new
Dormer,
and
then
this
is
the
egress
window
for
the
kips
for
yeah.
So
this
is
the
second
one
where
there's
currently
a
a
hung
window
that
would
be
replaced
with
the
casement
window
and
then
finally,
the
third
issue
would
be
raising
the
roof
in
this
one
corner
by
20
inches
in
order
to
comply
with
code.
E
And
yes,
the
three
things
do
constitute
shifts
and
changes
in
The
house's
outline,
but
they
would
allow
the
house
to
be
livable
and
put
up
to
compliance
without
the
changes
being
extremely
drastic.
Therefore,
staff
does
recommend
approval
again:
I,
don't
have
comments
from
the
greater
Prospect,
Hill,
Construction
subcommittee,
but
I
believe
we
might
still
have
Richard
Lewis
here
in
case.
He
would
like
to
comment.
Yes.
H
Yes,
hi
I'm.
Here
thanks
the
as
far
as
I
know,
our
designers
Cindy
has
not
had
a
chance
to
review.
This
I've
had
some
informal
email
conversations
with
the
homeowner
about
some
interior
suggestions
that
might
alleviate
some
of
this
issue,
but
that's
based
on
the
interior.
Framing
that's
already
been
done.
That
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
possibility.
H
A
Okay,
thank
you,
Richard
additional
comments
for
us.
S
It's
all
pretty
much
laid
out
there.
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
comment
on.
Unless
somebody
has
specific
questions.
C
S
So
the
north
side
of
the
house-
it's
not
visible
from
anywhere
actually
except
my
neighbor
to
the
north,
has
had
to
be
reworked
in
a
number
of
different
ways
and
all
the
aluminum
setting
has
come
off
of
that
and
I've
saved
it.
Just
for
purposes
like
this
to
patch
up
and
fill
in
where
we
can.
B
S
C
So
I
guess
the
other
question
I
have
is
there's
a
note
pointing
to
a
little
part
of
the
house
that
says
raise
the
roof
by
20
inches
how's.
That
going
to
happen.
S
S
C
A
E
C
E
B
E
S
S
E
A
E
B
A
E
C
D
But
also
also
I,
don't
maybe
you
could
just
use
the
same
window.
The
the
casement
window,
in
both
cases,
instead
of
the
double
home.
B
S
Absolutely
I'm
totally
on
board
with
that
that
we
had
a
I
had
an
inspector
consultation
after
I
had
already
applied
for
the
Dormer.
Who,
who
said
you
know
you
might
as
well?
This
needs
to
be
egress
windows
up
here
and
so
I
didn't
update
that,
but
that
they
would
like
I,
think
doing
it
to
match
is
the
way
to
go.
Thank.
B
A
M
S
You're
and
I
thought
that
was
the
least
intrusive
way
to
do
it
versus
building
on
a
chunk
out
or
a
monstrosity
of
some
kind.
That
looks
really
awkward,
whereas
just
extending
that
Gable
just
making
a
slightly
taller
Gable
along
that
same
Ridge
line,
would
maintain
as
much
of
the
character
as
as
humanly
possible,
which
was
the
goal.
That's.
S
It
stays
along
the
ridge,
so
the
Gable
and
the
ridge
of
the
pyramid
meet.
So
we
would
just
move
that
along
the
ridge
of
the
pyramid,
20
inches
taller
and
then
come
off
the
back
side
of
it,
which
is
completely
out
of
sight
from
any
public
view.
Oh.
A
Questions
so
move
comments,
Sam.
C
Okay,
so
I
was
going
to
make
a
suggestion
which
I'd
like
to
petitioner
and
the
commission
to
consider-
and
that
is,
since
the
the
neighborhood
committee
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
this
yet
and
since
some
people
aren't
as
good
at
visualizing
this
as
Duncan
I
would
suggest
you
do
a
real,
simple
elevation
of
showing,
where
that
extra
19
inches
or
whatever
it
was,
is
going
to
be
floated
in
front
of
the
neighborhood
committee.
C
Until
hopefully,
you
get
a
good
reaction
and
then
come
back
on
the
8th,
I,
keep
saying
the
eighth
I'm
sorry
next
time
a
couple
weeks
and
showed
us
I
mean
I
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
necessarily
have
an
issue
because
you're
trying
to
do
this
offensively
as
possible
to
the
you
know
the
massing
of
the
house
and
you
know,
code
changes,
and
you
know
people
get
tall
from
eating
vitamins
and
stuff.
So
what
are
you
gonna
do?
C
But
if
you'd
be
amenable
to
something
like
that,
I
think
that
might
be
the
path
of
least
resistance.
H
Having
seen
the
overhead
topic,
the
story
was
able
to
pull
up
there
in
GIS
helps
a
bit
because
one
of
my
personal
concerns
and
again
I'm,
not
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
design
Review
Committee,
just
as
an
individual
online
committees,
was
how
that
North
elevation
or
less
yeah
that
Northern
North
facing
Gable
type
tank
would
change
the
roof
line.
C
E
B
O
E
I
can
hold
up,
let's
see
if
they
have
the
no.
This
still
doesn't
well.
I
can
do
this
so,
which
part
are
they
talking
about.
C
S
B
S
And
our
rework
would
be
to
remain
seamless
just
like
this,
but
pulling
it
up.
S
It
becomes
a
little
bit
more.
It's
because
it's
at
the
end
to
have
that
vertical
height
go
up,
20
inches,
which
means
the
hypotenuse
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
longer.
So
I,
don't
know
the
exact
measurement,
but
it
would
stay
along
that
Ridge
line
of
the
of
the
pyramid
and
essentially
just
move
the
Gable
over
to
about
here
gotcha
and
then
maintain
that
okay.
C
B
M
I've
encountered,
there
was
a
time
in
the
70s.
We
were
doing
remodels
all
across
the
west
side
and
there
was
everybody
was
making
their
attic
into
bedrooms.
Everybody
and
everybody
was
putting
those
awful
plastic
Dome
skylights
on
the
roofs
and
everything,
but
they,
but
we
were
constantly
faced
with
that
exactly
the
same
problem
where
you
couldn't
get
headspace
or
code,
you.
L
B
N
C
A
Know
as
far
as
exploring
if
we
could
allow
the
nearby
or
allow
the
not
all
right,
the
Prospect,
Hill,
Design,
Community
review
it
and
I'm
just
saying
if
you
didn't
have
any
issues
with
what
he's
doing
that
they
can
move
forward
and
that
the
design
committee
had
an
issue
that
it
could
stop
there
and
then
come
back
to
our
meeting.
N
What
would
be
able
just
to
allow
the
designer
committee
to
review
it.
F
I
M
A
M
He's
under
duress
he
says
and
I
believe
him,
but
Richard
seems
pretty
happy.
I
mean
it's
unfortunate
that
they
haven't
had
time
to
meet
on
this.
But
that's
not
really
our
problem.
We
we're
the
ones
that
have
to
make
the
decision
about
so
they
want.
They
want
to
convene
a
committee
and
talk
to
the
owner.
They
can
do
that,
but
that's
not.
S
S
And
honestly,
if
even
if
you
approved
it-
and
they
came
back
after
the
fact
and
said,
they'd
have
a
problem
with
it.
I
would
adjust
it
accordingly,
but
as
it
is,
if
it's
not
approved,
I
can't
actually
move
forward
on
anything,
because
if
it's
not
equipped
I
have
to
completely
take
out
everything.
We've
done
upstairs
and
start
again,
whereas
if
it
is
approved,
I
can
just
start
on
that
project.
But
until
then
I
would
literally
be
sitting
aisle
for
two
weeks.
A
D
D
D
S
There
would
be
a
shed
about
shed
style
coming
off
at
a
decline.
So
again
it
all
stays
below
that
roof
line.
So
it
would
not
change
the
profit
side
at
all.
S
D
S
You
there's
from
where
that
Ridge
meets,
that
we're
talking
about
there's
about
10
feet,
to
get
to
the
exterior
wall,
and
our
all
of
our
adjustments
are
within
four
feet.
E
I
I
have
a
staff,
have
a
wacky
idea:
I'm
just
gonna,
throw
it
out
there
and
I.
Don't
know
if
this
is
gonna
make
anybody
happier.
Everybody
upset
it's
just
an
idea,
so
you
can
ignore
it,
but
and
Chris
wheeler.
You
can
chime
in
John
and
everybody
else,
but
if
the
issue
is
just
making
really
sure
that
that
Gable
is,
is
going
to
look
well
but
also
not
limit
the
owner's
ability
to
work.
Is
there
an
ability
to
give
a
partial
COA
for
the
first
two
items?
S
Your
biscuits
been
lined.
I
literally,
have
to
rip
everything
out
of
the
upstairs
and
completely
redesign
moving
the
bathroom
18
inches
18
inches
in
and
18
inches,
more
sorry,
south
and
east
of
where
it
is
which
completely
redesigns
everything
that's
already
in
so
the
other
stuff
doesn't
actually
well
the
windows
matter.
The
the
basement
windows,
but
the
other
Dormer
is
sort
of
secondary
in
terms
of
its
yeah.
E
D
Yeah,
it
would
just
be
nice
to
see
the
elevation
just
like
you've
drawn
the
other
elevations
right,
because
I
I,
really
don't
because
all
I
can
see,
is
something
that's
not
symmetrical
at
all
and
I
don't
even
see
how
the
the
lower
it's
going
to
hit
like
that
I.
Don't
unless
you
change
the
slope
of
the
other
one
and
then
I
kind
of
wonder
why
I'm
just
bring
it
up
a
bit
to
keep
it
slow
as
much.
B
D
S
S
So
it's
moving
there
right
right
so,
but
then
the
the
additional
on
the
back
side
of
it
stops
about
right.
Here.
It's
it's
not
going
all
the
way
to
where
it
would
be
seen
from
any
direction,
because
because
of
the
slope
of
the
pyramid,
roof
here,
just
being
able
to
take
it
from
a
steep
to
just
slightly
less
steep
gives
ample
room
for
what
we
would
need
to
do
so
it
and
it's
only
a
bathroom.
So
it's
not
like
it
has
to
be.
You
know
all
the
way
out
to
the
end.
S
D
S
M
A
B
E
T
C
E
Okay,
so
these
are
four
different
cases
and
don't
worry,
there's
gonna
be
a
few
more
coming
up.
This
is
just
the
potential
beginning
to
what
could
be
a
very
long,
a
conversation
or
it
could
literally
just
be
the
beginning
and
the
end
of
this
conversation.
E
These
are
different
requests
for
Hood
funding,
cdbg
funding
for
different
uses
throughout
Bloomington
and
surrounding
areas
that
require
an
archaeological
study
and
potential
impact
to
the
surrounding
area.
So
the
two
things
that
I
need
to
know
from
the
HPC
is
for
each
of
these
cases
is
number
one:
do
you
consider
there
to
be
any?
E
Are
there
any
comments
of
a
potential
impact
that
you
consider
could
be
damaging
to
Historic
properties
and
number
two,
and
these
are
separate
questions,
because
I
will
compile
the
responses
and
send
them
to
the
division
of
historic
preservation
and
Archeology,
and
the
second
one
is
whether
you
would
want
to
be
a
Consulting
party.
If
and
when
anything
does?
Maybe
nothing
is
found
and
the
case
is
closed,
but
in
the
potential
case
that
archaeological
it
there
is
an
archaeological
impact
or
an
above
ground
impact.
So
any
is
that
am
I.
M
The
HPC
has
always
been
a
Consulting
party
on
every
106
petition,
so
I,
don't
think
that's
up
for
Vogue
really
I
mean
that
we
don't
we
don't
choose
not
to
be
that's
part
of
the
role
that
we
assume
as
the
HPC,
okay,
okay,
so
and
and
historically
the
staff
person
has
conducted
that
106
review
not
brought
each
106
review
to
the
full
commission,
so
I'm,
just
I'm,
just
I'm
not
trying
to
load
your
agenda
but
I'm
just
trying
to
say
that
normally
we
don't
hear
all
of
the.
M
For
instance,
we
don't
go
out
as
a
commission
and
survey
every
site
to
see
what
the
impact
is.
So
if
you
have
a,
if
you
have
a
106
that's
happening
in
a
historic
neighborhood,
then
we
can
discuss
what
that
impact
is
going
to
be.
But
there's
clearly
going
to
be
impact,
okay,
okay,
because
so
so
what
usually
happens?
Is
you
describe
the
the
nature
of
the
project
and
show
the
geographical
area?
M
And
if
and
and
in
your
Maps,
you
show
in
some
of
them
where
there
are
contributing
structures
and
notable
structures
and
so
on,
so
whenever
they
are
notable
and
contributing
structures
within
that
those
type
vicinities.
We
want
to
look
at
the
project
to
see
if
we
think
it
is,
is
likely
to
have
any
impact.
So
if
there
are
Street
changes
or
there's
a
huge
demolition
or
or
anything
anything
like
that,
so
one
of
these
is
on
Sarah
Road,
where
they're,
to
my
knowledge,
aren't
any
other.
Unless
there's
archeology
there
isn't
anything:
okay,
any
historic
structures.
M
M
E
That's
the
state
Authority
yeah,
yeah,
no,
and
so
for
a
little
bit
more
background.
The
programmatic
agreement
that
everybody
that
I
sent
to
everybody
last
year
that
was
being
renewed,
has
eight
official
consultant.
Consulting
parties,
including
two
Native
native
peoples
of
tribes,
tribes
of
Indiana
and
the
HBC,
is
one
of
them,
and
then
the
procedure
always
says
invite
everybody
to
consultant.
Therefore,
I
I'm,
just
following,
like
you
know,
I'm
still
learning.
So
this
is
very
good
to
know.
E
If,
if
that's
the
standard,
then
I'm,
you
know
perfect,
because
I
still
I
always
I
will
have
to
be
managing
all
of
these
anyways.
So
don't
worry
about
piling
on
more
work.
I
already
had
to
go
and
do
all
of
the
work.
So
it's
all
good
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
you
get
your
voice
in
with
these
and.
M
M
M
We
had
when
the
Johnson
Creamery
owner
wanted
to
put
telecommunications
equipment
on
top
of
the
the
Smoke
Stack
and
lease
that
at
least
that
smokestack
for
an
installation
of
telecommunications
equipment
that
a
106
had
to
happen,
because
telecommunications
licensing
is
federal.
Okay,
so
when
Federal
monies
are
or
licenses
are
impacted
by
development,
you
have
to
have
a
106
review
process.
So
that's
that's!
That's
historic
preservation,
law
at
the
federal
level
that
mandates
what
you're
talking,
what
what
106
is.
M
So
in
that
case
they
hired
a
private
consultant
to
do
the
106
review
and
the
man
was
from
Illinois.
Well,
he
never
came
to
Bloomington.
He
never
apparently
surveyed
the
local
area,
and
so
he
missed
that
this
was
within
range
of
the
Second
Baptist
Church,
which
was
a
which
was
a
local
historic
district.
He
missed
that
the
Johnson
Creamery
itself
was
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
and
he
missed
that
it
was
in
a
national
registered
District
okay,
so
he
basically
just
didn't
do
his
job.
M
So
so,
as
a
Consulting
party,
we
went
wait,
a
minute,
of
course,
there's
negative
impact.
This
is
a
historic
building,
you
know
and
then
that's
when
the
mitigation
started.
So
that's
when
you
start
to
negotiate
how
to
settle
the
impact
you
know.
So
the
reason
you
have
Consulting
parties,
especially
local
ones,
is
because
they
are
eyes
on
what's
going
on
and
frequently
the
106
process
is
done
at
a
distance.
The
thing
that's
the
problem
with
106
is
it's
always
the
instigator
of
the
project
who
is
mandated
to
conduct
the
106..
E
Programs,
yeah
and
and
I'm
definitely
available
to
talk
more
about
this
as
a
certified
local
government.
We
have
that
we
do
have
to
comment
on
things,
so
you
are
correct
on
that.
So
that
said,
will.
E
Sounds
good,
so
we
do
have
the
first,
so
bio,
Retention
Ponds
for
Bio
Retention
Ponds
throughout
Bloomington.
The
first
one
would
be
placed
on
South,
Sarah,
Road
and
again,
like
you
can
find
issues
with
some.
If,
but
not
all,
of
the
sites
or
parts
of
the
sites
or
the
ape
the
area,
the
potential
effect
it
can
go
beyond
the
site
as
well,
so
yeah,
the
first
one
is
Southside
Road,
pretty
new
buildings
and
right
across
another
retention.
Pond
that
exists.
E
The
second
one
is
in
this
is
yeah
between
Sheridan
Drive
and
Southern.
Drive
South
Jordan
drives
near
Bryant
Park,
and
there
are
a
series
of
contributing
houses
that
surround
it.
E
It's
across
the
streets,
so
you
can,
as
the
project
happens,
and
if
there
is
anything
archaeological
found
underneath
by
the
division
of
historic
preservation
and
Archeology
or
by
the
builders
when
they
start
working,
then
we
can
start
talking
more
right
now.
This
is
the
end
I'm
giving
you
the
information.
I
have
like
very
preliminary
for
these
and
then
the
third
and
the
fourth
one
are
on
around
7th
and
Adam
Street,
just
west
of
where
we
are
located.
There's
nothing
built
on
the
sites
per
se.
E
There
are
some
contributing
houses
surrounding
these
properties
as
well.
None
of
these
are
located
in
a
in
any
historic
districts
currently.
So
this
is
the
first
project
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
should
I
go
through
all
of
them
first
and
then
the
HBC
comments,
or
do
you
want
to
comment
on
each
individual.
E
Yes,
so
I
do
not
I
can
request
the
plans
for
each
of
these
I
have
plans
for
the
next
project.
The
next
proposed
one.
This
came
to
me
through
the
environmental
review
process,
the
NEPA
process
for
HUD,
and
because
there
is
intervention
ground
movement
intervention
here,
the
dhpa
requested
that
the
section
106
process
be
initiated
and
yeah
I
could
talk
with
the
with
the
city
of
Bloomington
utilities.
I
believe
are
the
ones
who.
M
Am
I
your
weight
impact?
You
can't
you
don't
know,
what's
going
to
be
done,
if
these
are
these
are
retention,
detention,
bonds?
You
have
to
have
some
notion
of
how
much
area
it
covers.
What
the
outline
of
it
is,
how
close
to
the
street
it
is
how
close
to
adjacent
houses.
You
know
we
can't
evaluate
the
impact
without
knowing
literally
what
it's
going
to
look
like.
M
And
in
the
case
of
the
one
that's
down
on
the
south
side
where
the
dance
club
was
removed,
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
that
place
at
the
entrance
to
the
to
the
out
to
the
park
to
Swiss
yard
Park,
where
there's
going
to
be
I.
Guess
that's
housing.
That's
is
that
HUD
housing,
that's
going
in
there
yeah.
R
M
R
E
The
second,
the
last
two
projects,
the
so
the
last
two
projects,
have
a
very,
very
long
story
in
the
sense
that
everything
was
kind
of
done
backwards
because
or
there
was
a
misunderstanding
between
the
builders
and
four
different
agencies
as
to
whether
they
needed
to
go
through
the
process
or
not,
due
to
the
nature
of
the
funds
being
used
and
due
to
a
loophole
regarding
tax
exemptions
on
and
on
Capital,
further
construction.
And
where
that
those
ex.
E
Where
that
those
tax
exemptions
came
in-
and
this
was
a
back
and
forth
for
over
a
year
between
four
or
five
different
agencies.
And
to
this
moment
there
is
still
a
little
bit
of
lingering
doubt
regarding
the
technicalities
for
both
the
governor
Park
Apartments
in
Ellettsville,
which
is
the
the
third
one
and
with
which
the
retreat
at
switch
yard.
Because
the
original
assumption
was
that
the
only
federal
funds
coming
in
were
for
soft
costs.
E
After
the
projects
were
completed
and
not
which
do
not
have
the
same
level
of
review
as
when
there
is
money
or
tax
exemptions.
Any
sort
of
monetary
gain
regarding
the
the
capital,
the
construction
itself.
So
these
are
basically
post
construction
for
what
you
know
for
most
intents
and
purposes,
but
the
process
needed
to
be
initiated
anyways
so
yeah.
This
is
kind.
M
E
So
yes,
it
so
yeah,
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
it's
not.
M
E
So
changes
the
Adams
Street
there
are
partial
sidewalks
already
installed,
but
the
city
of
Bloomington
is
proposing
to
install
site
blocks
from
beginning
to
end.
The
packet
actually
has
the
plans
for
the
sidewalk
included.
E
There
are
multiple
contributing
structures
and,
on
the
other
side,
it's
already
National
register,
so
this
would
be
done
on
the
west
side
of
the
street,
which
is
not
within
the
national
register.
But
this
is
an
area
that
the
approximate
it
is
approximate
to
a
national
register,
the
West
Side
District-
and
there
are
one
of
these
contributing
structures-
does
not
exist
anymore
because
it
went
through
demolition
delay
within
this
commission
just
before
I
started
working
here.
E
A
T
It
top
and
Todd
Todd
rotman
I'm.
T
Mark
is
with
us
by.
E
T
We
started
on
this
project
several
years
ago
already
through
an
RFP
process
that
the
city
put
out
and
our
team
was
selected.
Rotman
Collier
is
the
architect
of
record
out
of
Indianapolis
and
we're
partnering
with
them
locally
as
a
local
partner
and
the
developer.
T
Bryn
Shore
is
a
developer
from
Chicago
who
specializes
in
affordable
housing
projects
and
does
a
lot
of
work
nationally
and
regionally,
and
they
are
currently
working
with
the
Bloomington
Housing
Authority
here
locally
in
the
rad
conversion
project
in
in
renovating
all
of
their
units.
So
this
project
will
go
for
affordable
tax
credit
as
well
as
historic,
tax
tax
credit,
and
it
is
a
project
that
comprises
adaptive,
reuse
of
the
existing
core
building
and
then
a
new
addition.
T
T
So
it's
a
partnership
with
the
Bloomington
housing
authority
and
Center
Stone,
who
will
be
helping
to
manage
and
run
the
building
once
it's
complete
as
everybody's,
been
watching
the
buildings
around
the
core
have
been
coming
down
or
down,
and
we've
been
able
to
get
a
really
good
look
at
the
condition
of
the
core
building,
and
so
when
we
make
application
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
T
We
will
want
to
talk
to
you
also
about
what
restorative
efforts
we
are
going
to
be
focusing
on
the
building
which
will
be
on
the
Northwest
Quadrant,
where
the
hospital
came
up
and
touched
the
core
and
really
engaged
with
it
pretty
heavily.
But
the
intention
I
will
just
say
for
this
evening's
purpose.
The
intention
is
to
restore
the
Limestone
and
restore
the
openings
that
were
there.
T
There
were
a
number
of
window
openings
that
were
blocked
in
because
of
roofs
and
other
mechanical
equipment
that
were
accessing
the
building,
and
we
we
do
have
a
peculiar
condition
on
the
on
the
north
side
of
the
north
stairwell,
where
we
have
some
remnants
kind
of
like
pie,
lasters
almost
concrete
pilasters
that
were
that
were
poured
into
the
building
to
support
some
of
the
structure
that
was
attached
to
it.
And
we
want
to
talk
to
you
further
about
that.
T
So,
but
we
kind
of
want
to
we're
happy
to
talk
about
the
building,
but
we
wanted
to
get
some
things
in
front
of
you
tonight
to
get
some
initial
thoughts
and
reactions
on
our
direction
for
the
design
of
the
addition.
It
is
a
substantial
addition.
It
is
larger
than
the
original
building
and
I
want
to
say
that
initially
we
had
thought
that
we
would
have
more
land
to
work
with.
T
Our
intention
was
to
build
a
three-story
Edition
and
that
when,
when
actually
Jackson
was
lay
down,
we
realized
that
we
had
a
lot
less
ground
to
work
with,
and
so
that
caused
the
addition
to
go
up.
One
story:
our
approach
has
been
to
reload
to
locate
the
the
addition,
obviously
to
the
west
of
the
course,
since
the
east
side
of
the
core
is
part
of
its
original
context.
T
Being
that
that
open
yard,
and
to
to
put
the
the
addition
in
a
similar
location
to
the
original
1919
building,
that
was
there
to
which
the
core
building
was
attached
as
an
addition
back
in
the
1940s.
So
we're
approximating
the
location
and
the
size
of
that
building
and
creating
that
sort
of
dumbbell
plan
configuration
and,
if
maybe,
if
you
advance
the
slide
a
little
bit
it'll
be
much
easier
to
read.
Here.
There
we
go
so
we've
got
the
core,
obviously,
on
the
on
the
right
side,
on
the
East
and
on
the
west.
T
The
new
edition
and
part
of
the
the
what
we're
working
with
and
part
of
the
challenge
is
that
the
larger
units
will
go
into
the
addition,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
requirements
about
specific
sizes
of
units
and
the
smaller
units
will
be
in
the
core
building.
T
We
thoroughly
anticipate
that
the
core
building
the
interior
of
the
core
building
has
very
wide
hallways,
being
a
medical
building
that
we
will
need
to
retain
those,
and
so
we
have
a
lot
less
ability
to
to
add
units
or
larger
units
in
in
the
core
building.
T
So
you
can
see
that
there
would
be
two
Courtyards
one
to
the
north
and
one
to
the
South
and
Our
intention
is
to
as
close
as
possible,
relate
to
the
overall
north-south
width
of
the
core
building.
T
So
that's
what
we're
doing
there
and
I
will
just
quickly
run
through
just
a
few,
a
few
things
just
to
point
out
and
then
we're
happy
to
talk
about
any
aspect.
Further.
T
So
this
is
so
that
would
be
the
ground
floor
plan.
Just
so
you
know
on
in
the
new
edition
on
the
ground
floor,
there
will
be
a
resident
serving
uses
and
on
the
ground
floor
of
the
core
building
there
will
actually
be
units,
and
then
there
will
be
units
in
between
sort
of
that
little
Bridge
piece
or
the
tail
of
the
core
building
which
is
original
to
that
building.
T
Okay,
so
if
you
want
to
keep
advancing
just
kind
of
giving
people
just
a
taste
of
what
this
is
looking
like
Todd,
if
you
want
to
chime
in,
please
don't
be
shy.
So,
like
I,
said
we're
we're
we're
going
to
be
four
stories.
But
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
establish
that
direct,
more
direct
relationship
with
the
first
three
stories
and
the
height
of
the
core
building.
T
As
you
can
see,
we
are
working
with
the
same
window
sizes
matching
the
window
head
Heights
for
the
units
as
we
pull
across
we're
trying
to
relate
to
the
fenestration
patterns,
I
mean,
obviously
we
have
a
full
building
plaid
and
limestone
in
the
core.
We
cannot
possibly
recreate
that
with
an
affordable
housing
project,
so
we
have
at
this
point
anyhow
we're
showing
Limestone
on
the
staircases
on
either
end
and
on
the
front
entry
and
then
we're
the
they're.
You
know.
Obviously
the
core
is
an
art
deco.
T
It's
a
very
restrained
building
and
it
has
some
elegant
detailing
in
where
the
two
upper
windows
are
grouped
together
in
a
panelized
system,
with
some
some
detailing
we're
trying
to
translate
that
in
a
more
minimalist
way
into
a
trim
detail
where
we're
grouping
those
those
middle
two
windows
to
relate
to
that
patterning.
T
Exactly
this
is
the
West
entrance
seeing
the
core
in
the
back
and
then
and
then
we
have
so
the
core
building.
When
you
look
at
it
closely
from
a
distance,
it's
all
Limestone
when
you
get
up
next
to
it.
Actually,
the
first
the
first
floor
has
larger
scale,
Limestone
blocks
and
then
at
the
window
head.
There
is
a
thinner,
a
thinner
course
of
limestone
kind
of
like
a
belt,
but
it
is,
it
is
super
subtle
and
then,
as
you
go
up,
it
goes
to
a
random
ashler
pattern.
T
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
register
that
line
also
along
the
top
of
the
windows
on
the
first
floor
again
to
create
some
deference
and
and
create
a
relationship,
but
in
a
kind
of
a
light
touch
the
city
you
know
the
Udo
is:
is
driving
canopies,
it's
driving
a
lot
of
other
elements
that
were
we're
showing
to
some
degree,
but
but
this
is
this
is
where
we
are
at
the
point.
So
at
this
point,
so
we're
we're
essentially
envisioning
a
a
fiber
cement
board.
T
T
A
C
T
C
Okay
and
then
it's
it's,
the
sort
of
cornice
at
the
top
of
the
fiber
cement
rendered
in
fiber
cement
as
well.
That
sort
of
yeah.
T
C
B
C
T
B
T
Thank
you
here
we
go
and
it
faces
South.
So
we'll
get
good
light
here,
whereas
on
the
North
side
you
know
it'll
be
in
shade,
there
probably
will
be
some
mechanical
equipment,
so
we
do
want
to
create
some
space
out
there,
but
we're
thinking
of
that
as
more
of
a
contemplative
quieter
space
than
this
more
activated
side
of
the
building.
T
T
G
C
T
T
T
M
M
M
They're
sensitive
about
where
the
attachment
happens
and
how
it
happens:
okay
and
often
look
for
some
kind
of
invisibility
at
that
line,
glass,
column,
okay
or
something
that
makes
a
visual
break
or
lets
light,
go
all
the
way
through
or
come
all
the
way
out.
Okay,
so
that
there's
a
distinction
between
the
new
and
the
old
that
is
literally.
D
Well,
having
done
one
yes,
I
think
that
what
Duncan
said
is
always
true:
okay,
A
lot
of
times
it's
just
a
separate,
a
difference
in
materials
that
allows
you
to
separate
visually.
The
two
right
and
I
think
you've
done
it
really
pretty
well,
and
it's
not
anymore,
but
you
know
that
that
building
we
reverse
the
reverse.
The
entrance
I.
D
D
Having
done
one
of
these,
so
yeah
I
think
the
plans
really
kind
of
nice
I
like
the
way
the
the
you
know,
the
garbage
is
going
to
be
handled
because
I
I,
don't
really
like
I,
wouldn't
want
to
be
in
those
two
bedrooms
with
one
bedroom
on
the
floor,
but
as
well
as
you
could
possibly
do
what
you
want
right.
Just
you
know
so
and
I
think,
because
the
new
building
is
bigger
in
scale
than
the
old
building,
those
little
hurdles
or
whatever
they
are.
There's
attachments.
B
B
T
End
yeah
that
that's,
that
is
the
North
End,
so.
N
N
T
It's
it's
one
of
those
buildings
that
you
know
if
you're
driving
you
don't
necessarily
notice,
because
it
sits
so
far
off
the
street
right
and
you're.
You
know
and
then
there's
a
bunch
of
trees
in
front,
and
you
know
even
trying
to
photograph
it.
Even
in
this
season
from
the
front
is
a
little
tricky,
yeah
yeah.
T
So
so
we,
when
we
we're
hoping
to
make
application
next
Thursday
to
officially
and
I,
it
would
be
helpful
to
us
to
hear
what
other.
In
addition
to
any
comments
you
have
on
what
we've
shown,
you
other
things
that
you're
particularly
interested
in
or
curious
about,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we
anticipate
your
questions
and
provide
that
information
up
front.
C
I
mean
I
think
the
way
the
building's
laid
out
makes
all
kinds
of
sense,
you're
doing
it
on
this
up
against
the
secondary
elevation.
I
think
you
know
popping
it
out
a
little
bit,
but
I'm
really
concerned
that
the
building,
because
of
the
program
you're
trying
to
squeeze
in
there
and
the
land
you
got
it
dwarfs
the
the
original
core
building.
So
that's
the
biggest
concern
I've
got
the
second.
The
concern
I've
got
is
that
the
core
building
you
know
and
I'm,
looking
at
it
through
the
lens
of
differentiated
but
compatible.
C
You
know
from
the
secretary
interior
standards
and
all
that
the
the
thing
that
the
core
building
has
going
for.
It's
a
very.
C
You
know
a
set
of
three
boxes,
but
there's
a
verticality
to
that
and
oftentimes
the
Interiors
are
secretary
Interiors.
It's
like
you
know,
pay
attention
to
those
details
and
Echo
them,
but
you
know,
and-
and
it
feels
like
you're
starting
to
do
that-
but
I
don't
think,
there's
enough
verticality
in
the
building
and
it's
busy.
It's
got.
C
You
know
Guam
things
onto
it,
especially
because
you
know
the
the
back
of
house
stuff,
which
is
in
the
back
of
the
house,
which
is
good,
but
still
it
feels
a
lot
more
of
an
assemblage
than
the
original
core
building
does.
So,
if
there's
any
way
to
simplify
the
massing
on
that,
I
would
I
would
love
to
see
that.
T
So
so
let
me
just
ask
you:
we
were
trying
to
break
down
the
scale
a
little
bit
and
that's
why
you
know
when
having
that
that
four-story
material
kind
of
come
down
and
begin
to
kind
of
carve
away
a
little
bit.
You
know,
because
we've
got
this
big
block
of
limestone
to
the
east
right.
We
can't
replicate
that,
but
we
we
were.
T
We
were
trying
to
do
something
that
is
a
little
bit,
that
that
hearkens
in
respects
the
core
and
and
and
and
really
what's
the
word
I'm
blanking
on
something
that
that
works
with
it,
but
not
really
copy
copy.
So
it's
so
I
guess
it's
important
to
us
those
panels
that
they
read
well,
that
you
know
that
have
enough
that
they're
getting
out
there
enough
that
we
get
that
that
you
know
that
we're
reading
that
shadow
line
yeah
right
to
get
that
that's.
J
C
And
then
the
other
piece
of
it
that
is
concerning
is
that,
and
it
may
be
just
the
way
that
it's
rendered,
that
other
material
whatever.
That
is
it
it
because
it's
dark
and
it's
so
it
feels
much
more
massive
and
whatever
you
can
do
to
make
that
recede,
because
it's
it
it
doesn't
feel
like
it's
receding.
Okay,.
B
M
Different,
sometimes
addressing
that
issue,
sometimes
the
Park
Service
wants
to
see.
If
you
have,
if
you
have
an
addition,
that
is
larger
than
the
original
building,
which
is
something
that
they
really
don't
like
just
to
start
with
yeah
sure
when
you
do,
then
they
like
to
see
you
do
everything
you
can
to
sort
of
reduce
the
impact
of
it
visually
and
one
of
the
ways
you
do.
M
That
is
you
set
back
the
Upper
Floor
right
sure,
and
you
know
in
an
affordable
housing
project
where
every
square
foot
really
matters
that
you
know
I
think
that's
a
point
for
negotiation.
If
I
were
doing
a
tax
credit
on
this
out
of
my
company,
I
would
say:
I
would
say:
yeah
I
get
it
but
right.
We
need
the
square
footage,
and
this
is
a.
J
M
M
B
M
Mean
I
might
I've
done
45
of
these,
so
I
I've
negotiated
with
the
park
service
on
some
stuff
that
I
never
thought
would
pass
and
some
stuff
that
I
just
thought
would
walk
right
through
and
they
got
me
both
both
ways.
Okay,
so
it's
really,
you
know.
Intention
is
a
whole
lot
to
do
with
how
it's
presented
and
and
really
believing
in
the
secretary's
standards
and
and
quoting
them
at
every
moment.
When
you
write
that
part
two,
okay,
that's
a
that's
so
whoever
your
consultant
is.
D
T
D
O
J
D
M
B
G
M
M
M
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Todd
for
coming
yeah,
okay.
So
the
next
thing
on
our
list
is
about
commissioner
attendance
and
personally
I
would
like
for
everybody
to
be
in
person
now.
Instead,
there's
a
zoom,
stuff
and
I
think
Gloria's
going
to
touch
on
a
little
bit
about
attendance,
yeah.
E
So
I'm
really
grateful
for
the
people
who
are
here.
I've
talked
to
almost
at
some
point,
I
think
I've
called
almost
everybody
at
some
point
just
to
touch
base
like
are
you
coming
or
not?
We
have
good
Quorum.
Now,
we've
had
some
Quorum
issues
last
year
about
three
or
four
times
we
did
have
Quorum
issues
and
meetings
were
canceled.
E
So
your
presence
here
does
have
a
visual
and
visible
important
impact
on
the
landscape
of
Bloomington
and
that
that,
just
that
one
case,
we've
already
had
to
give
a
few
just
like
send
out
coas
because
of
lack
of
quorum,
but
none
of
them
have
been
for
a
full
demolition
of
a
contributing
structure
in
a
historic
district.
As
of
yet
so
I,
it's
just
like
a
thing.
That's
literally
that
thing
haunts
me
because
those
I
drive
by
those
buildings,
all
the
time
and
I
go
into
them
often.
E
So
that
said,
there's
a
few
other
things.
If,
if
you
can't
make
it
in
person
so
being
on,
Zoom
doesn't
count
for
a
quorum.
Your
vote
counts
for
those
who
vote
their
vote.
Your
vote
counts,
however,
for
every
commissioner
who
does
have
to
go
on
Zoom
because
of
an
emergency
because
you're
out
of
state,
because
you're
not
feeling
well
before,
because
of
whatever
reason
legal
has
requested
or
has
reminded
us
and
Chris,
you
can
jump
in
whenever
that
everybody's
cameras
have
to
be
on
and
your
names
have
to
be.
E
So
this
is
like
going
forward
just
this
just
going
forward
and
let
me
see
yeah
and
try
to
consider
this.
Basically,
in
person
the
state
created
this
policy
to
be
in
person.
We
could
debate
about
what
the
situation
with
the
covet
is,
and
with
technology
and
many
other
things,
but
the
state
it
is
State
Statute.
It
goes
Way
Beyond,
any
control
that
I
have
you
know
if
it
were
for
me.
I
would
also
be
doing
this
via
zoom
and
allowing
everybody
to
be
everywhere.
But
it's
not
up
to
me.
E
I
am,
but
you
know
a
humble
bureaucrat,
no,
but
but
seriously
I'm.
The
final
thing
I
did
want
to
say
is
I.
Am
you
have
no
idea?
How
absolutely
grateful
I
think
I
can
I
don't
know
if
I
can
speak
for
all
of
stuff,
but
I
can
speak
at
least
for
myself
working
with
you
week
in
and
week
out
and
one
of
the
most
intense
Commissions
in
the
city
we
meet
over
20
times
a
year.
This
is
a
huge
commitment
that
all
of
you
are
making
and
all
of
you
do
need
personal
time.
D
D
E
On
the
record,
how
profoundly
grateful
I
am
for
your
service
for
your
time,
your
generosity,
your
knowledge,
your
your
profound
wisdom,
knowledge
and
generosity
in
shaping
the
future
of
bloomington's
past.
If
that
makes
any
sense
how
Bloomington
will
be
connected
to
its
living
landscape
going
forward,
so
I
just
wanted
to
leave
it
on
a
high
note,
I'm.
E
Grateful
for
everybody
here
and
yeah.
Basically,
we
have
this
situation
where
it
says
it's
that
it's
hybrid,
but
it's
mainly
hybrid
I,
think
more
for
the
petitioners
than
for
us.
But
that's
where
we're
at
Thanks.
B
E
Do
have
a
growing
list
of
newer
cases
that
I
haven't
been
able
to
send
novs
out
for,
but
there
are
some
cases
basically
I
wanted
to.
For
today.
My
goal
was
to
actually
bring
a
very
good
update
on
what's
going
on
with
all
of
the
novs.
However,
last
year
I,
let's
sorry
last
week,
I
wasn't
in
in
town
and.
E
I,
basically,
the
only
thing
I
can
update.
You
is
that
you
will
get
a
much
heftier
update
and
our
next
meeting
I
hope
not
gone.
Would
because
yeah
there
are,
there
has
yeah
it's
getting
up
to
like
six
or
seven
or
eight
cases
right
now
and
in
different
neighborhoods
for
different
levels,
but
first
I
need
to
notice,
give
a
notice
a
violation
to
the
owners
so
that
they
can
make
the
decision
of
to
thrift
store
or
to
apply
for
a
retroactive
certificate
of
appropriateness.
A
I
don't
hear
any
old
business.
A
H
Sorry
very
one
quick
thing,
I
know,
I
know
it's
late
and
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
check
in
with
Gloria
and
send
an
email
about
some
support,
columns
that
have
been
removed
on
a
house
in
a
considered
notable
integrator
project
of
the
storage
district
and
I
didn't
know.
If
that's.