City of Bloomington, Indiana Historic Preservation Commission, 27 Aug 2020

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So we've got corn and I believe it's five.

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O'clock, so I want to call the bloomington.

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Historic preservation: commission: to order uh for thursday meeting.

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April august 27 2020 5 pm uh dee. Can you give us a roll call.

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Hey doug bruce yes,.

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Sam desaler president susan dyer, here.

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Jeff goldin.

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Deb hutton here, lee samwise here.

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John saunders here chris sterbum.

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No chris, yet duncan campbell.

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Ernesto castaneda.

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Derek ritchie.

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Danny southern jimmy's, not here either okay.

A

That's fine. Thank you, dee. um Let's move on to um approval of the.

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Minutes from our last meeting august 13 2020 time to sell our moves to.

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Approve I'm hiding second.

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Okay, doug bruce abstain. Sam does holler. Yes,.

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Susan dyer abstain.

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Jeff golden hutton: yes,.

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Lee san wise- yes, john saunders, yes,.

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Motion carries four zero. I mean four two.

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Great thank you all right. Let's move over to.

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uh Coas and we will serve coa 30-34.

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107 north college avenue it is in the courthouse square district.

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uh So before I bring that up, I just wanted to let the commencers know.

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That coa 20-32, which was a petition to demolish the house at 916,.

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South morton, uh if you guys remember you continued that to from the last meeting to today's meeting.

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The petitioner has contacted me and asked me to withdraw that. So that's.

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Why it's not on the agenda in case anybody was wondering.

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All right, uh cua 2026: this is a request to.

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Install a new signage on the facade, the installation of these signs will be.

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On the same fascia board as the previous signage, so.

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Basically, the signs will be stud mounted. Existing holes be filled with silicone.

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As needed, uh staff approved the coa uh because it will be located within the.

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Fascia board, as the previous one, um it will not require any new holes to.

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Be drilled in the masonry, it's not internally lit, so it's really just kind.

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Of a straightforward uh new sign for a business, that's replacing.

D

Darn good soup, all right, thank you, connor! um So we're.

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Gonna move on to commission review and we'll start with.

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Coa 20-29 122 west.

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6Th street um are our petitioners with us this evening.

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Nature, but are you here.

D

Do we have a representative of this petition.

D

Present at the meeting.

C

Wow really is this the one you put a stop work on.

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Earlier uh the stop work was done a long time.

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Ago that work has since completed but yeah.

C

Did they actually stop? They stopped until we.

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Gave them a coa for the windows and the facial board, but this is for signage.

E

Gotcha all right: well, let's move on uh we'll see if nate shows up.

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Before we move forward, so let's move on to.

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Coa 20-31 910 east university street in the elm.

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Bridge district yeah, mr chambers you're with us.

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Absolutely hello, oh thank you all right, great.

D

So we can discuss this one, um so this is a request to replace the porch.

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Columns here with limestone um profile and size.

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um To replace the or replace and rebuild the front steps.

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Which include changing the width of the top step, which is currently.

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12 inches to become 31 inches and reducing the bottom steps to 16 inches.

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And then also restoring the brick sides that you can see sort of here.

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Well, they're kind of hidden actually in this photo yeah they're, just a little.

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Brick armor arm hand, rails that'll, I'll, have.

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To take them all the way out, they're they're falling apart so I'll have to.

F

Take them all the way down make sure the footer is good, because they're moving around on me so and I don't want to set limestone.

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Columns on something that's not stable paul, I can ask you to meet till. I finish.

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My presentation, thank you, um so that is the scope of work here. The.

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Elm heights design guidelines speak a little bit to front porch.

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Materials and suggest that it is ideal to retain the existing.

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Materials, if possible, staff has no issues with replacing.

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Rebuilding the steps, because uh these steps are limestone and the.

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Same material will be used um to replace them with uh really.

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Become more functional without much of a noticeable visual change.

D

Also, the house across the street- and I have a picture of this- I wanted you to.

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See 909 east university. Sorry.

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um It's a very similar style to colonial revival,.

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uh Similar age, it has an almost identical kind of front porch.

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Limestone steps and the the brick knee walls with the caps.

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Limestone caps on them and these dork columns.

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um And you can see here that they're actually limestone.

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So you know, staff finds that for contributing house.

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This change really is acceptable and compatible in the context of the.

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Surrounding homes and character of the district for those.

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Reasons staff would recommend approval of coa 2031. all right. Thank you. Okay, questions.

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um Chris, did you join us yet? No, okay, uh jeff, you joined us. Do you.

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Have questions uh not yet all right dan.

G

Hey dad, do you have questions yeah, just one um probably for connor.

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uh For this age of home, would the wooden columns or the limestone columns.

H

Separate from the houses be more period appropriate. I I find.

D

That there is more wood columns than limestone columns.

D

In the district, um however, there is a lot of limestone. You.

D

Know this is elm heights. You know, there's a limestone in elm heights that.

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Is used decoratively uh like columns.

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Lee, no, I don't have a question. Yes, she doesn't have a question all.

A

Right, susan, no, no questions.

G

Sam, I have two questions relating to the.

C

Of the width of the bottom stairs, one is what's driving that.

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And the second one is: if you change the configuration.

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Of the stairs, are you kicking in a code requirement to have a three foot.

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Landing because you're mucking around and it's.

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Not just a repair anymore.

C

For the petitioner excuse me, did you hear a samusoller's.

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Question no, I did not. I'm sorry. Could you please.

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Repeat, I'm gonna have to call you back greg just a second.

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Can I do that, I'm in a meeting all right? Thank you. I apologize. I had an.

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Important phone call I had to answer.

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That I totally missed the question. um Deb I mean sorry sam. Would you repeat.

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The question please so the question: it's two parts one is.

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What's driving the reduction of the width of the bottom stair.

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And the second part of that question is because you're not just.

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Repairing you're changing the configuration.

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Of the stairs is that going to kick in the requirement for a building permit.

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And three foot landing that is now required.

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By code on the outside of the door.

F

um The necking end of the bottom two steps was her idea.

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I didn't think it would be any. I just drew it up the way she wanted it and.

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Told her that I would run it past you guys and see if that's a.

F

But able, if we're able to do it, we will for not that's fine.

F

If there's no reason other than looks, she wants.

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She wants it to neck in. She thinks it'll, look better, which.

F

It would, but if we can't change it, then we can't change it.

F

um Would it require more, uh would it require a building permit.

F

Probably so because I'll be pouring concrete there, I anyway, so I will have a building permit either way.

F

I don't know if that answers the question or not, but it it sort of. Does I.

C

Think I would caution you on changing the configuration, because current code.

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Does not allow you to have just a single step on the outside of the door. You have.

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To have full landing, that's that's what is going on here.

F

There's only an 11 inch step coming out of the door.

F

When you open the door, there's an 11 inch step and that's it.

C

I understand that what I'm saying is that if you.

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Aren't just doing a repair and you change the configuration of the stair.

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Which requires a building permit. The building department may require you to put in a three foot wide landing.

C

Immediately outside the door does that make sense, that's what the 32.

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Inch top limestone piece is.

C

Okay, a plan would be immensely helpful because I didn't understand that.

C

From the um documentation that we received.

F

Yeah, the the very so coming right out of the door would be 32 inches instead of.

F

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And and that's why she wanted to neck in the bottom: two steps, because the top's.

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Going to be larger, and it would just it would look a little.

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Different, she thinks it would look better. However,.

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It would be much more functional with a landing when you open the door than the.

F

Way, it is now, it seems to me, like I wouldn't like it at.

F

All trying to get in my door on 11 inch step.

F

But so that's why I said: we're gonna, we'll.

F

Run it out 32 inches, we'll bring the the brick arm rails out. Another 16.

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Inches and then she said well, can we neck in the bottom two steps, I said sure I'll I'll see what I can do.

C

So what is the depth of you know those little knee walls on.

C

Either side, how far do they come out from the front facade of the house.

F

Seven foot so they come out seven feet from the front face of the house. So.

C

All these steps are going to be within the those two.

C

Walls on either side right now it comes out five feet, but.

F

If we add the other 32 inch top step, it would end up being a seven foot.

C

So the existing, so the existing brick knee walls now come out.

C

Five feet or seven: yes, five feet, I'm sorry, yeah the existing.

F

Is five feet if we, if we extend the top step.

F

Out we would have to extend the arm rails out the brick.

F

Side rails that make sense it does, but it's becoming more clear, I'm so.

F

Sorry, I'm not good at planning, but I you know I'm.

F

A mason I hear it no worries um so.

C

Again, the building department is probably going to hit you with a.

C

Three-Foot landing that's code, minimum that'd be.

F

Nice, I I wouldn't complain a little 12 inches.

C

Of tripper right, that's what I thought yeah and.

F

She's, like 90 years old, I said how do you do this? She says well, I've.

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Been doing it for 40 some years, I guess I guess the other question. I.

C

Have it's for connor? How do we have any feedback from the elm heights.

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Neighborhood association design review committee- I heard back from two out of the three and both supported.

D

Thank you, terrific all right duncan are you here with us.

J

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Dad yeah hello, do you have any questions.

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Time I do not, I think, sam answered I've got.

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Them pretty good enough. um My question is:.

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Are those columns original or did they get placed at some point in time.

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I think they're original.

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I really don't know that answer to that question.

A

Sorry, thank you paul um derek you're. Now with us. uh Let's move.

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To confidence, I'm sorry chris did you have.

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Any questions I I have a question, are you? Are you.

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Hearing me yes,.

L

Why don't you just build a big landing and then just move these steps out front.

L

I build a big landing to the front of the brick.

L

And then just push the steps forward. That's what that's! What the plan is well.

L

I see some other things drawn here like mortal brick and another ledge.

F

It's they're just steps I just drew in the steps- I'm not a very good. Draftsman.

F

um The the additional bricks was her ideas. She wanted to.

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She wanted the the bottom two steps to be shorter,.

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Which would drop them would make them five foot two.

F

Or would be no four, that's wide five foot, ten, which one wouldn't it be.

L

Just simpler to move them all out and then put nice railings on both sides.

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Yeah that that's that's that's what the plan is to.

L

Put because you'll run into the you know if she's coming down and she has a.

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Railing she'll run into that little landing. It's.

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Going to be a little weird, I thought that too, but that just I'm.

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Just I'm just going by what she wanted, she's very, a very stern woman and she wants what she wants and I said.

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Well, look, I you can't just do whatever we want here.

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We have to right so, and I thought the additional 32.

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Inch step or if we need the 36 that's great too,.

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That's perfect and then, like I said, the steps would.

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Are you adding? Are you adding a step? No nope nope everything can't you reuse,.

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Those steps- yes, I'm going to reuse the top three.

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Steps the bottom two are broken in half.

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And they go away and I got new ones ordered well.

F

I didn't confirm the order, yet until I get through you guys.

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But the top step will be 32, 36 inches.

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Whatever the code has to be, and then the the steps that are existing there, the.

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Top three will just move down and then I will.

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Replace two total steps will get replaced.

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The two broken ones at the bottom go away. The two three top ones.

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Just move down, and then I put a top new one in it's 32 inches out.

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And then one more new one, that's the same height as these. It would look.

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Identical just be a new limestone piece.

F

So that's the I mean the only difference is she wants to put brick.

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She wants to come in 16 inches with brick on.

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On yeah on the bottom, two steps right, which will kind of match, but maybe.

L

Not I'll use the same type of brick but yeah.

F

And then two new handrails? Yes, that's in there, it's in our plans. We just.

L

Okay, those are my questions. Thank you, chris.

A

All right, let's move on to comments, uh jeff, jeremy comments.

M

Based on what I've heard so far, I I'm gonna support.

M

This project, thank you, jeff deb. Do you have any comments? No comments.

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um I I am fine with uh switching out the line, um the wood.

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The limestone for the wood- um I don't understand, shortening you know.

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The bottom two steps I think that would be kind of awkward. I mean I like the way.

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The grace of the original entrance- and um so I.

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I'm basically on board with the switching out.

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Of the limestone post, but I'm still not uh on board, with the shortening of the.

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First, two steps: I think that would be not necessary.

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And it would look different than the original.

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But you know defer to elm heights.

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Historic district and my fellow commissioners on that one.

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Thank you, um susan. No, I don't have any additional comments.

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K

Yeah, um I I I think I agree with what connor has shown us on.

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The surrounding properties, and- and I also.

K

Would defer to the elm heights group? I would, though, say I do agree with.

K

With lee on the bringing kind of turning that brick and.

K

Shortening those bottom steps visually, however, right now, it's kind of.

K

Hidden by the bushes, but I also think that that's something.

K

That is detached enough from the house. It.

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Could be changed if it needed to be just as as this is so.

K

I'm uh I'm not, I'm not terribly opposed to it.

A

Sam, uh I don't have an issue with uh swapping.

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Out the material of the columns, I would have a slight preference for.

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Replacing it with the same material. But if the.

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Neighborhood committee doesn't have an issue, I don't have an issue, but what I.

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Do have an issue with is bringing the wall in I'm not going to shoot the messenger, but I I think that that's.

C

Actually uh going to be a safety issue in the future, it's going to be a tripper.

C

uh You know- and I I get that she's been doing this for 40 years and hasn't had.

C

An issue with a little 12-inch step, but I still can't advocate for something that I think is going to be.

C

Not as safe as it could be, and it also compromises the grace of the.

C

The original configuration, so I would advocate for.

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Letting them do a code compliant landing and then.

C

uh Either just neglecting another knee wall altogether or putting a knee wall.

C

With the same seven foot two inch wide steps all the way down to the sidewalk.

A

Okay, thank you sam chris.

A

You got any comments. Chris he's talking. I was muted sorry.

L

Can you hear me now yeah, okay, now I would. I would like to see the.

L

Steps in the same configuration just moved forward and.

L

Replaced those two wide bottom steps and then put two attractive black.

L

Railings to make it safe both ways up and down, but the adding of.

L

That brick is cluttering and nobody does that.

L

It's just kind of weird and and it could be a hazard so.

L

I think we simplify the project, both both visually and.

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Physically for the for the person who's doing it.

L

And I think it keeps the the appearance of those big steps coming up.

L

More attractive, that's what I would support.

L

Thank you chris um ernesto here, okay, so um I'm agreeing.

A

With uh chris and sam on this, um so we need to get a motion.

H

Iso move uh that we agree with the to go ahead with coa 2033.

H

um At 909 in east university street, in the elm heights, historic district.

H

With the replacement of the wooden columns with limestone and.

H

Some of sam to solar's language of replacing the.

H

Code, appropriate 30, uh 36 inch landing, but without approving the short shorter.

H

Two lower steps or the extra new knees and anyone can.

H

Add to that they need to all right.

C

Will that include the railings.

H

You can do that add that sam friendly and with the.

C

Addition of a black metal matching railings on either side.

C

Second, okay d: you want to call roll hey, doug, bruce.

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Yes, sam desaler, yes, susan dyer,.

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Yes, jeff golden yes, deb hutton.

B

Yes, elise sandwich. Yes, john saunders.

B

Yes, chris starbuck, yes,.

B

Motion carries eight zero paul. Did you understand that.

D

Paul, did you understand that, yes, am I muted.

F

You're unmuted now we can hear you okay. Yes, I can switch out the columns.

F

For limestone but leave the steps the way they are.

F

Correct yeah same width, all the way down and.

L

And add the railings yeah yep, I wrote that down new.

F

New handrails approved to switch wood columns for limestone.

F

No can do up to a 36 inch landing yeah 36 inch landing.

F

At the top that'd be good, can I can I just interject this.

D

Is it maybe I can ask philippa if you're with us.

D

Can the hbc force a petitioner to add something to their petition that wasn't.

D

In it, uh no, they can't. I was going to um yeah.

N

On that, because you can suggest, but you can't.

N

Force somebody to spend more money than they decided they wanted to spend.

N

What did you put in there that wasn't in there before.

C

He did say that it was in the drawings. Well, that's interesting, but it's not in.

N

The petition you wouldn't build it without handrails.

N

Well, they're, not there. Now there there is one there now.

L

Would the petitioner agree to the handrails I mean is that's just simple.

L

Safety issue that I'm sure they're going to do anyway,.

C

I mean what we could say is if the petitioner so desires, they could add an.

C

Additional handrail on either side and just keep the one they got.

L

If the petitioner agrees to do it it they are making a commitment.

L

So we should ask petitioner if they're, okay with the handrails.

E

I have a question, though: why are you asking them to.

N

Change the handrails. They have not requested that exactly.

A

And we've already approved it, we're gonna have to make a new motion.

D

And take the handrails out of it uh connor. Can we make a new motion and put.

H

The handrails comment in as a recommendation.

H

That's what I'm suggesting, may we ask the petitioner.

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If they have a problem with putting up two handrails.

N

I have a question: why do you want the petitioner to put up two handrails.

I

I mean so, you don't fall down the stairs already.

I

There's already one handrail, I mean it's already, there's one already. There.

I

Maybe we don't request two, but if it's not required, it's not a.

A

Requirement and it's not a form of petition, it's.

D

Frankly, business at this stage right.

L

May I ask this question yes chris, it is actually true. Isn't it that if the.

L

Petitioner makes a commitment to do the hand railing that they they make. They do the hand railing and.

L

It would be with.

L

Subject to approval by staff if they would agree if they don't agree.

L

It's over, but if they want to agree they are allowed to make that commitment at this time.

D

Okay, no pressure paul, no pressure. Well, there isn't it just has to we just.

L

Ask him so, but paul is not the the.

M

Homeowner correct, I don't think he's a representative, so I.

M

Don't think it's fair to ask him that right, okay, but she.

F

She suggested she says what about handrails.

F

I said: okay, we'll we'll put up handrails once we get the project done and.

F

So we see because she wanted to bring in the brick and change it a.

F

Little bit so then I said: well, we need to wait till we're completely done.

F

Before we add the handrails so that they're correct with the steps.

F

So yes, handrails were discussed. I personally cannot say I'm going to put.

F

Up handrails because I'm not the homeowner and she may not want to buy them, but I'm I'm, I'm 85 90.

F

Sure she will there's one there now that that's the requirement, I'm assuming.

A

And I can't make that commitment right. The.

F

Moment understand: okay, thank you. As I made the motion, I I.

H

Would prefer just to take that last handrail comment and make.

H

It as a recommendation based on safety, do we have to how do we.

D

Do this, if they've already passed a motion with the handrails in it?

D

How do we go about this? You know, I think you just make a motion to.

N

Rescind that motion and then pass a different motion, okay.

A

Yes, d: we need to do the um order.

B

Hey doug bruce yes, sam desaler, yes,.

B

Susan dyer, yes, jeff golden yes,.

B

Deb hutton, yes, lee sandwich. Yes,.

B

Saunders, yes, chris turbo, yes, motion carried eight.

B

I understand it was like in english, okay.

H

But now would I would I move the same original.

H

Motion, however, changing the um third sort of sentence to be uh uh that we.

H

Read the hbc recommends uh the addition of handrails.

H

On both sides for, if possible, for safety reasons, but.

H

Only with the word recommends does that do it john and connor.

A

Your recommendation, I'm fine with putting a recommendation in emotion.

D

It's not binding or anything but sure.

C

I would also augment that to say that it should be a matching it matches the.

C

Existing handrail, but as a suggestion.

A

I have one more question for paul paul: how uh what's the.

A

How far out from the ground? To the top of that.

A

Porch, how many inches is that you know, I think it's 32.

F

Oh boy here because with 32 inches you're, not.

A

Required 30 30, it is those are seven inch steps. So.

C

It gets into guardrail territory we're higher than 32.

F

I think well, we got 28 and 28. That's those are seven inch steps so.

F

Two of them is 14 the next one, no you're right that the next one so be.

F

H

Seven more for the top yeah! Well, I think the bottom one may be a.

F

Little shorter, but I you know, 32 is probably close. Okay.

A

Good enough, thank you. So um let's go ahead and go with your motion.

A

um Dab would it be possible for someone to.

D

Restate the motion again because it's gotten a little convoluted just for just for the record.

D

Maybe sam you could do it since you're familiar with the language on.

D

The steps sure.

H

Sam, we can't hear you you're on mute.

C

Are we, can you hear me now there we go sorry.

C

For the property at 9 10, what street are we on? I'm forgetting now.

C

University university, uh we moved to.

C

Approve the s hang on coa 20-31, with the caveat that the.

C

Existing stair width be maintained for the entire width of the stairway.

C

uh That a code compliant landing is acceptable and that the.

C

Limestone or that the existing wood columns may be replaced with limestone.

C

We also recommend, but do not require that a.

C

Matching metal handrail be placed on the side of the stair, where there is.

C

Not currently a handrail perfect. Second, oh second,.

G

Thank you, dee. Okay, doug bruce. Yes,.

B

Sam desaler, yes, susan dyer, yes,.

B

Jeff golden sorry, yes, deb hutton! Yes,.

B

Lee sandwich- yes, john saunders, yes, chris turbon.

L

D

Motion carries.

B

D

To zero, okay, thank you. Thank you, dude all right now, let's move on to coa.

A

28-30 338 south jackson street, I believe uh chris, is the.

A

Petitioner on this right, all right: connor, okay, we're going.

D

To follow the same procedure as last time, chris I'm going to give my staff report and then we're going to do a round of questions.

D

And then I'm going to kick you out of the meeting and you can set the waiting.

D

Room sure all right can I ask that I be.

L

Texted when I'm called back yeah I'll text you, when the.

D

Vote is finished great okay, so this is in the greater.

D

Prospect, hill, historic district, the request is to add.

D

A 15 by 15 uh addition to the northwest corner of.

D

The structure so.

D

Here, essentially, is the outline of the new addition.

D

Cosmic four inch lap siding water cement board with four inch window and door.

D

Trim to match the house original, apparently there's asbestos siding on there now, but there will be plans in the future to.

D

Remove that um staff really has no issues with this.

D

Project the addition is on the rear, which is a preferred place.

D

The materials and fenestration are compatible with the primary structure.

D

And it's aborted in size of the primary structure.

D

It will not substantially impact the view of the sword structure from the public wave facade. In fact, you won't even see it from.

D

Jackson, street um and if you take the alley you will.

D

Barely be able to see it behind this current shed roof porch.

D

So, for those reasons, staff would recommend approval.

D

Thank you connor all right can I add that the neighborhood.

M

uh Design committee uh pretty much approved this.

M

Across the board, great, thank you jeff. Actually, I'm gonna call you for.

A

Questions jeff, I do not have any questions. Thank you.

H

um In my um initiation to historic additions, a.

H

Distance to historic buildings, I thought they were not supposed to be.

H

Looking exactly like the historic house, they're.

H

Joining it's cute, I like it, but my basic.

H

Question is, I thought they were supposed to look be looking substantially or significantly as a better word different.

H

So that one knows what the original historic house was and the.

H

And the what the addition is similar, but slightly different, I can speak to that.

D

Deb um with new construction, you certainly.

D

Want more differentiation and compatibility, however, with additions.

N

I would go with more compatibility than differentiation.

D

Which we have here, I think, the the you know if they put these vents in.

D

Here, that's a good way to differentiate these gable events, 2020.

D

Based on 1897., that's a good differentiation. There.

D

And there may be some other characteristics here.

D

I don't know if it'll be in set at all from the the existing building wall.

D

Something we can, we can ask chris but um yeah personally I I felt that there.

D

Was no issue with that, but that's a great question to raise.

D

Okay, thanks thanks jim lee, I don't have any uh questions. No things.

K

No questions fail, no questions, uh I don't have any.

A

Questions and remember the comments. No yes, nobody.

D

Has questions for chris? I am going to move him out of the.

D

Meeting, give me just a second.

F

Can you all hear me, I have a question. This is paul. I sorry to interrupt.

F

Sure, can you hear me, are you guys done? Are you guys done with me.

F

Yes, yes, all right! Thank you. So much all be careful, though the code does.

C

Require any uh surface over 30 inches above grade to.

C

Have guard rails not just hand rails, so they might.

C

We might be seeing you again to talk about guardrails.

C

All right great, thank you. Thank you. Okay comments.

A

A

Discussion chris on extra necklace, jeff yeah- this is uh goes along with the.

M

Intent of this uh historic district to allow.

M

For houses to grow in a natural way and and.

M

This is one that uh looks great, so I'm going to support it.

A

Thank you um deb. Yes, I think it's uh a delightful.

H

Addition and I also uh think the putting the 18 97 on one.

H

And the 2020 on the other is very clever artistic and clever. Thank you.

I

Lee, I think it's great perfect uh susan.

H

It works for me. I like it awesome we're getting.

A

Really good, uh no problems with it at all.

K

Very compatible I'll support it, terrific and I'm in agreement with everybody else,.

A

On this uh with my commissioners, so um I.

D

I do have a question for chris that I forgot to mention, and specifically it's.

D

Something that was brought up in our pre-meeting yesterday with planning.

D

uh Keegan are you in the meeting? Yes, okay, um let's ask chris about that.

D

Side yard setback sure um I asked him to join the meeting.

D

Again, let's see when he he returns. Chris, are you with us.

H

Did you text him yeah he's in he just gotta unmute.

D

Let me give him a call here. Maybe he is.

D

Maybe he went to go, get refreshments.

O

Can you hear me okay? Yes, I can at least add that um I can't it's.

O

Kind of hard to tell what the setback is, I'm from what I'm on my screen. But um if a for a structure like this, they can.

O

Utilize, the existing side yard setback um to make an addition.

O

To the rear um code does allow for exemptions like.

O

In this uh situation, so.

O

So I think from planning it would a planning perspective. It would be fine.

D

Okay, so so there is no issue, yes correct. There is no issue.

D

All right, there's been a reversal in planning sentiments.

D

All right, um you guys can go ahead and vote. I'm going to um kick him out again.

D

He's gone all right, we need a motion yeah.

C

Yeah, oh, this is sam desaler I'll move to approve coa 20-33.

C

At 338, south jackson, street.

K

Yes, sam desaler, yes, susan dyer,.

B

Yes, jeff golden yes deb hutton. Yes,.

B

Lee sandwich- yes, john saunders, yes, chris sterbaum.

G

Sorry, all right great motion carries seven zero.

B

All right, thank you. We can bring chris back. Our next coa 20-35 was pulled.

A

So that's not on our agenda this evening, so we'll move on to your demolition.

A

Delay 301 east 19th street university.

A

Properties, um who is that a petitioner.

D

Is a petitioner here they don't have to be for the hpc to take action on this.

D

Demo delay, but we thought we can ask: okay, no petitioner, okay, so this is just.

D

This is a contributing building. You see a couple shots of it here.

D

It's uh you know what kind of the american small house or minimal.

D

Traditional style, limestone's assad there's been a pretty.

D

Major addition, jutting out to the side here added on to it.

D

Requests for full full demolition- this is actually part of a project.

D

To develop several adjacent lots into a multi-story student housing.

D

Building staff would recommend releasing the demo delay.

D

uh Individually, the structure won't meet the criteria for designation.

D

And really, if you, if you go to the area which I did when I took these.

D

Photographs, um the surrounding area really has lost.

D

Most of the original 1940s and 50 homes that were there to student housing already so there's a little historic context.

D

Left to base a historic district on so staff would recommend release demo delay.

D

2018., okay, uh chris is, are you back with us.

A

Not yet all right jeff do you have uh questions.

M

And I have a question.

M

A

Any questions deb, no questions. Thank you. Now, susan.

G

Now, stare, no questions. Thank you, john.

A

Nope, who else do we have here? I don't care.

A

Do we have any members of the public don't want to make a comment.

A

Okay, let's move on to comments. uh Jeff, do you have any comments yeah? I.

M

Agree with conor of this area, this is one of those trade-off areas where I.

M

Think we we let this kind of thing happen and.

M

This house is unremarkable, um so this this neighborhood has changed.

M

So much that this makes sense to me to allow this kind of thing. Thank you. Jeff.

K

Was that doug, you said or deb? Yes,.

A

Comment all right: lee no no comment. Susan.

I

Nope, I don't have anything to add. No, I agree with jeff all right, terrific.

A

Sam, I agree with jeff.

A

Airman is one okay.

A

Okay, um today, regarding the property located.

A

At 301, east 19th street.

A

The historic preservation commission declares that it.

A

Got noticed a proposed devotion or personal demolition.

A

And after today's discussion sees no need to review.

A

The plans any further and what is the risk.

A

Of demolition delay waiting period, the hpc.

A

May later, recommend the property for a reserve designation.

A

To common council.

C

Second, sam deseller.

C

G

Yeah, that's all right: sam desaler, yes, susan dyer,.

B

Yes, jeff golden yes, deb hutton.

B

Yes, lee san wise, yes, john saunders,.

A

Yes, christopher bomb, yes motion carries eight.

B

Zero! Okay and we're going to move on to.

A

Demolition delay, 20-19 10-18.

D

uh So this is a request for a full demolition.

D

um I did a site visit and the structures actually looks great from the front.

D

But it's actually already partially torn down, as you can see,.

D

Here um and it's really important poor condition- it's been exposed, the.

D

Elements for some time um you can see going on here.

D

uh The the city actually had done an order to seal the property.

D

A few months ago, but that kind of got lost in the shuffle of the property.

D

Changing hands the new owner is currently just wants to.

D

Demolish it due to the advanced state of.

D

Deterioration and disrepair that the structure is in.

D

uh Staff doesn't find that you know saving this structure this time.

D

Will be of any benefit to uh the citizens of bloomington um and it.

D

Doesn't appear individually, at least by itself, to meet the criteria for.

D

Local designation, so staff recommend releasing demo delay 2019.. Thank you.

A

Matt, are you with us.

P

My name is cheyenne riker, I'm here actually on behalf of 1008 west. First.

P

Street llc matt is with us. If you look down, I think.

P

His he's listed as chewy underscore, um but I'm here to speak if.

P

You have any questions uh on behalf of the company that owns.

P

This project yeah we're just wondering if you had any.

A

Additional information you want to give to us all right.

P

um You know we really don't what we did I'll just kind of give you a little bit.

P

Of background, we acquired 1008 west first street, which is two.

P

Houses to the east of this property 1018, we also bought 1010 and.

P

Our hope was that you know we knew that these these these projects were in dilapidated condition. We knew that they.

P

Presented a public health hazard, but we thought that they would be a good addition to the 1008 property, because if we could get them demoed, we.

P

Could beautify the area we haven't entirely decided what we'd like to do.

P

Certainly, if it were approved for demo, we would like to plant some grass and.

P

Then we may we tossed around a few ideas, whether it.

P

Would be gardening or landscaping? We've also discussed the possibility of.

P

An outdoor recreational area or park- we don't know for sure, but we.

P

Thought that you know if we were going to buy 1008, we.

P

Should also acquire those two neighboring properties so that we could.

P

um Ideally, demolish them and open up that area. um What we found is.

P

That it's moving more in a medical or health care.

P

Type setting and we didn't think that um it would we.

P

Thought that it would be right for approval for a demo uh when we were going into the due diligence on this project.

D

Cheyenne, who are you with what group bro.

D

Yeah, who are you with so I represent haven.

P

Behavioral health care, we're a health care company and we manage indiana.

P

Center for recovery uh we recently acquired, so we have one.

P

Thousand one thousand west first street 909 1004.

P

And then, of course, now 1008 and we don't know what we're going to do.

P

Yet we may use that 1008 for a healthcare purpose.

P

We haven't yet decided, so the hope is that.

P

Once these two once these two are demolished, if you're, if they're.

P

Approved then that'll give us some more clarity on what we need to do with 1008.

P

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Do we have any questions? I will start.

A

L

um We're talking about two properties at the same time,.

D

We're talking about this property right now.

L

Okay, you know it's, I see it's in pretty bad shape.

L

Okay, jeff no questions.

G

No questions lee no questions, susan, no, no questions.

G

Doug well, I'm gonna be like chris here and I don't really have a question, but I.

K

Have a statement um I.

K

Have worked with this at this, this group as a client, I've done some work just up.

K

The street for them, so I don't know if I need to be booted from.

K

This and then give me a call when I can come back or I don't know how to handle it here, but I know I will abstain from any vote.

A

All right, doug we're going to kick you out. That's what I figured.

K

Sorry, okay, you'll text me or call me or something.

K

We will okay, we can, we can lock you out and then we can bring you back in.

D

Just just join the waiting room yeah like rejoin the meeting.

D

And I can then let you back in from the waiting room once.

D

uh The discussion is finished. Okay, thanks to uh sam.

A

Questions- and I don't have any questions concerning this prompt andrew, buy it.

A

It's it needs a lot of help, so to speak is.

A

That a cistern right there and yes ma'am.

A

So um do we have any comments, dress, yeah. A comment would be.

L

If we had a neighborhood association talking to us.

L

About the loss of property by speculation.

L

We would be thinking differently about this, but.

L

That's not the case, and there are neighborhoods that are transitioning.

L

And it's our responsibility to recognize that when.

L

When to fight when to acquiesce- and in this case I'm ready to acquiesce.

L

On this property anyway, thank you, um jeff.

M

No additional comments: bernie deb comments, no comment. Can I go back and.

H

Ask a question sure: is this: in the.

H

In the new hospital redevelopment area, it is.

H

Thank you lee. Do you have any comments? No, I don't uh doug.

A

Any comments, no additional comments. I don't have any additional comments.

A

Either so today, regarding the property at 10, 18.

A

Was first straight, the property, uh the historic.

A

Preservation, commission declares that it got noticed or proposed.

A

uh Demolition or partial demotion and after today's discussion sees no.

A

Need to review the plans any further and where's the rest of the demolition.

A

Delay waiting period, the hpc may later recommend the property.

A

First for his right, designation to the common.

A

G

Second, okay, sam desaler.

E

Yes, susan dyer, yes, jeff golden.

E

Yes, deb hutton, yes, lee san wise.

B

Yes, john saunders, yes, chris durban.

B

A

So we're going to move on to demolition, delay, 2020.

A

And, of course, this is an adjacent property encounter is going to.

A

Cover this one, so this is a an adjacent property uh just to the east.

D

Of the previous property, um this is also owned by.

D

Cheyenne's group, the indiana recovery center.

D

um The request is for a full demolition here.

D

I was able to kind of walk around and take some photographs. It really appears.

D

To not be in poor condition uh structurally at all, um you know even the.

D

Some of the the foundation and floor joists and girders and such.

D

Appear to be in pretty good condition, although I.

D

Saw some evidence that the the basement got wet quite frequently. It was pretty.

D

Damp down there, but overall the condition was actually pretty fair.

D

uh For the structure, um but if you actually go up and down the street.

D

Really, there's been a lot of historic fabric.

D

That's been lost already um to the degree that a brand new.

D

Historic district there wouldn't make sense. I think um that the block face itself has enough historic integrity to it.

D

To justify it being included in the mcdonald, local historic district.

D

Was created, this is, uh you know, this is only one block.

D

North of the northern boundary of mcdola, I'm not really sure why.

D

It was uh not included in mgdol, um however, I believe, if the you know.

D

If there was a time when this street should have been.

D

Protected or included in the historic district it was when mcdole was.

D

Established, however, that's not the case, it's an outlier now and uh staff doesn't see that there's a.

D

Strong enough case for historic designation of this house individually or really the creation of historic, a new historic.

D

District here so staff would recommend releasing demo delay 2020.

A

Okay questions chris questions. Chris yeah, could we see.

L

Kind of a google map of the area- that is where I'm going all right.

D

Where are we 10, 10 west? First, oh, I said east.

E

D

So here's this that we just released. We have some.

D

Got another little bungalow here, another bungalow here.

D

No, I'm not seeing it.

H

Being a city of bloomington join a meeting.

D

Gotcha here we go, you see it now. Yep.

D

Okay, so here it is so there's some some original bungalows left and really this.

D

Section of west first, you can see I'm sure a few have been demolished.

D

However, you know we start going this way.

D

We start to see some later fill um with this multi-family unit here.

D

Some hospital uh health related buildings here.

D

Oh that looks like it could be, it could have been an older building.

A

um So so here you go, I mean the farther.

D

East we go, I think, the less that helps thanks.

A

Kagan, are you still with us? Okay again, so I was going to ask.

A

What is the zoning.

A

For this part of.

M

The current zoning shows up as mh, which I'm not sure what that is.

A

Hospital, if I, if I may it's it's zoned as mixed use, healthcare.

E

Thank you sure.

A

Okay, that's why it's not part of your goal. Okay,.

E

Let's keep ski movement questions. Okay, um dad do you have any questions.

G

No lee thanks questions. No susan.

A

Any questions no uh doug what dick's doing with us, sam.

E

A

uh Really, I don't have any questions on this one either.

A

It is, um it's probably going to be part of the you know be torn down at some.

A

Point everything around it's my guess, any.

A

Comments chris.

L

There's concern that treatment center is just going to expand and take over all.

L

This area, but I don't know that that's our job to.

L

Stop with preservation.

L

And I do see this end of the street being being kind of lost.

A

Hey. Thank you chris jeff comments. This is again a context and not.

M

A fight that I think we need to take on.

I

um I just want to say that, if it's in as good in decent condition, if it sounds.

I

um It'd be nice if bri or somebody could move it, because it.

I

Looks like it might just be able to be lifted up and moved, but um that might be something that.

I

Could be explored okay, thank you. Susan.

G

No no comments, um sam. I think it's going to be interesting.

C

To see what happens, this entire area with the hospital redevelopment.

C

Site discussion, but it's this one. I don't think it's our fight.

A

All right, thank you, sam. I agree with my fellow commissioners on this one.

A

So we'll move on today regarding the property located.

A

At 10, 10 west first street, the historic.

A

Preservation, commission declares that it got noticed a proposed.

A

Demolition and after today's discussion sees no.

A

Need to review the plans any further and where's the rest of the demolition.

A

Delayed waiting period and the hpc may later recommend the.

A

Property for a sort of designation to common council.

D

Okay, see no, we get a second, oh. I never heard a second second deb.

G

Hutton, thank you. Dave. Okay,.

B

Is doug still out? Yes, yeah, okay, sam desaler? Yes,.

B

Susan dyer, yes, jeff golden yes,.

B

Deb hutton: yes, lee san wise, yes, john saunders,.

B

Yes, chris turbo, yes, motion carries 7-0.

A

Thank you. Thank you for coming shane. Yes, thank you. Folks have a good day stay.

P

Healthy all right, so uh this is actually an interesting one.

D

um I'll kind of give you the brief background to it, so uh it was actually brought to planning's.

D

Attention by some neighbors and uh planning, I.

D

I believe when it was brought to plains attention, it was essentially complete or.

D

Very near to completion um and then planning brought to my.

D

Attention I saw that it was listed as contributing on the historic resource.

D

Survey so I initially brought this board as a demolition delay. However,.

D

I was incorrect uh is actually in a local historic district.

D

Garden hill, so this needs a retroactive doa. As you can see, the work.

D

Is before, and after already been done,.

D

um So I spoke with uh the gentleman working on it: jeff brawley.

D

This morning and he'll be submitting a retroactive coa for the property that.

D

Will be discussed at the next meeting on september 10th.

D

um So this is a a non-item right now we're taking it off the agenda. It's.

D

Going to come back as a certificate of appropriateness.

L

Can we ask questions? No okay, sorry, chris, you can ask all the.

A

Questions you want the next meeting chris okay and then our next uh petition, which is 1484 and a.

A

Half south walnut street, they have um pulled this.

A

For the time being to our next meeting, yeah yeah, so they they wanted to to pull.

D

To push it forward until some of the commissioners had an opportunity to do a site visit, and so that's.

D

Something, as you know, I have in the works right now and we have.

D

The date for um september 3rd, I believe, at 11 a.m.

D

um So we're going to a site visit and then this will be pushed back to the.

D

September 10th hpc agenda.

D

So the petitioners aren't present for this and we're not going to discuss this.

D

Tonight, well, unless you want to, I mean it's.

H

Well, I just want to say thank you to connor for doing your building history.

H

And the and henry boxman history and providing all of that so it looks extensive. So thank you very much for that. Thank you david. It feels good to get some recognition. I.

D

Put a little bit of work into that thing: yeah! That's really nice.

A

I said we want to have a little discussion, or should we just move on and.

A

H

Would you be telling if we're moving on? Are you going to tell the city hall.

H

People to morton street people that they have to show up.

H

For the sealant, or does that disappear or what that got dropped? uh I I spoke.

D

With jay he decided to drop that.

A

Perfect, colonel.

E

Definitely, okay: I don't see anything on our agenda for new business.

A

And I don't see anything in our jennifer old business.

A

Commissioner comments I'll have one quick comment.

L

The demolition delay, even though we release most of these buildings, I do.

L

Appreciate that our commission gets to look at them one more time and.

L

Think about what's happening in our community.

L

It keeps us aware of trends and also what to save and what not to save and.

L

It's I find it both educational and important.

L

To the community, so even though we just let two be torn down.

L

We got to review them, we got to think about it.

A

Thank you, chris anybody else, any more commissioners. I had a quick.

C

Question for connor: this is on that uh spanish style.

C

Apartment building at fess and second, where the owner uh we got it designated.

C

And then the owner ripped the parapet roof off. I'm just wondering if.

C

There's any uh follow-up on that. There is um and.

D

Philip is here I'll: let her take that one.

N

Okay, so legal is involved. We sent um a letter notice, a violation letter.

N

uh Last week I believe, um or maybe it was early, it was last week. Wasn't it.

N

uh And um requested that he get a ceo I'll have to remember how what it said.

N

Because I didn't draft it, um it was another lawyer in our and maybe.

N

Connor remembers, I believe what we said was you needed a coa.

N

Please apply for a coa um and uh you need to abate it and replace.

N

What you've removed and if you don't, we will take very likely legal action.

E

Thank you, yeah, very good. Thank you. Thank you, sam for, following up.

A

On that any more questions or comments.

A

H

There's a chat comment from someone or a question.

D

Oh, it looks like it's the soldiers folks 122 west.

D

6Th are in have joined, so we can go back and discuss that item now.

D

If they're here great yes, hello, I'm so sorry if we were a.

Q

Little bit party there all right, um let me get back to this and.

D

We'll we'll do this coa, I don't want to have to push you guys.

D

Off again, so, let's take care, I'm sorry. I was a little.

R

Late, I was actually in the shop painting and by the time I got on the call it was.

R

Already 5 10, so don't worry all right! I'm going to.

D

Meet you guys, while I do my stuff presentation here um so yeah, this is a very familiar building. This is the second coa.

D

uh That's come forward recently with the chase.

D

um With new owners taking over um the request is to mount new signage on the.

D

Storefront along collagen six, uh so two facades, the.

D

Signage will be five inch thick aluminum size with channel letters.

D

The internally lit led uh the size is proportional to the facade.

D

um And it doesn't obscure any architectural features, so it's good there. uh The signs not be any larger than.

D

Previously approved signage, um that was on the facade, uh the.

D

Material aluminum is listed as historically appropriated guidelines.

D

And there are no mention of internally lit signs in the courthouse square.

D

Historic district guidelines so I'll leave it at that staff would recommend approval of coa 2029.

D

As long as the petitioner is mindful of how the signs attach to the building to.

D

Avoid further damaging original building material, thank you connor. um So chris you got.

A

Questions so where's the sign where's, the drawing of the sign.

C

There so to go completely across the building.

D

Soul juice here with the the sl, the font will be on the sixth street facade and.

D

The logo will be on the north college's side.

L

Right, the picture shows the current sign: stopping two thirds of the way across.

L

This goes right across the building. Doesn't it all the way across the green building.

C

It was a pre-construction photo, yeah you'd have to ask. You have to ask.

D

The petitioner can jordan, can you.

Q

Yes, can you hear me yeah, okay, yeah, so um the the photo that's up there was was.

Q

Just something we wanted to stick up there, let the community know that we were coming. uh Obviously it does stretch all the way to the further side there where it starts correct, where your mouse is.

Q

um This, the the sign itself should start at around.

Q

Right above the door and a little bit to the left.

Q

About right there, and it should go across uh the exact same distance to the.

Q

Right as well um about right, there indeed.

Q

um You know we weren't looking to be gaudy by any means.

Q

uh We were just looking to get something up there that looks really presentable.

Q

um Kind of going off of the other buildings what they have didn't want to.

Q

Recreate the wheel by any means, but just wanted to get something up.

Q

There that was um being able to be shown at night.

Q

As well as on the other side, have a smaller logo.

Q

So it's just shining on the other side and it is just our actual logo itself.

Q

Right so it doesn't go fully across it's sort of centered and then.

L

What's on the right and left I mean: what's the reconstruction.

D

It's just black fascia board yeah, so they've completed that since.

Q

I definitely would have should have given you guys a photo of the update. It.

Q

Looks absolutely beautiful: the windows needed to replace is what it.

Q

Was the windows were very old and they were they reliability? So it got approved by the commission to.

Q

Replace the windows, the windows have been replaced, um all the.

Q

Window fittings have been replaced, it looks absolutely beautiful.

Q

um It has really kind of brought yeah there. You go perfect, you got a picture.

Q

Of it so let's see they've redone the windows.

Q

They've put it in um now, given where the the paint is not.

Q

All the way black, they are completing that this week.

Q

um There was something with the window that needed sealed on the outside. Still.

Q

And so they had to order a part for that. I believe it has been completed.

Q

uh Since this photo, um but it will go across the front there.

Q

We have made substantial increases in in the value of that property just from.

Q

uh Our construction on the inside and we're very excited to be a part of the.

Q

Community. Thank you very much, jordan questions.

A

Chris, no! That's it thanks. Sorry, jeff.

A

Nope yeah, oh, looks good lee no questions.

J

Perfect susan, no, no questions good, no questions.

K

Sam, this isn't a sign related question, but this is uh what happened with the.

C

Original uh you know removing original materials and that sort of thing on the all the fascia boards and that sort of.

C

Thing is that uh uh been addressed.

Q

For conor has uh just just to my knowledge, because this was something.

Q

With our building owner rob um he he got with.

Q

The contractors that were performing the build on the inside.

Q

And I believe everything has been done. uh That was supposed to be done with the.

Q

Windows, that was a question for connor, actually.

C

Sorry, I'm sorry about that! I'm sorry about that! So so what what.

D

Sorry, sam, what what are we talking about here.

C

There was an issue with an earlier uh coa on this. This is the underlying.

C

Structure, that's shown in the picture on the left where they had uh purportedly removed original material.

C

They said they were just pulling out a bunch of wood and it wasn't all a bunch of wood. So I am wondering what has happened or transpired since.

C

Then, because they were supposed to check in the contractor, was supposed to check.

C

In with us on reconstructing that stuff and.

C

They didn't so I'm just wondering where that ended up and.

C

How we got there, can you hear me yeah who's this? This is julian. I'm also.

R

The owner of soul, juice, uh jordan, me and him we're both creating this.

R

So there was asbestos there right along um the where those wooden boards are.

R

Right now, uh you can still see it a little bit, um not too much, but they they removed. It was.

R

Going along both sides of the windows there uh at the view that we were.

R

Looking at um they did remove those uh I'm not sure.

R

What else um they had changed with that, but I just know that they had moved.

R

Asbestos to um then replace it with, I think they.

R

Just used wood structure thanks, that's helpful.

D

So if there's a miscommunication there, you know I'll take the blame for that.

D

uh The previous coa that dealt with um you know repairing and replacing some.

D

Of the plywood fascia, as well as removing that.

D

Asbestos material and replacing uh the old glass of new.

D

Glass that whole coa uh was a staff approval.

D

So um once I gave that the staff approval.

D

uh Essentially, they went ahead and did the work.

D

So if there was a miscommunication as far as them needing to come back.

D

And, and you know, explain in more detail what happened.

D

Or stop work completely until that question was answered.

D

uh You know that that was my fault and there must be a miscommunication on my.

D

House no worries. Thank you. Thank you. Sam.

A

um And I don't have any questions, I think it's a nice project.

A

So uh comments chris, no jeff any comments.

M

No comment: do you have any comments? Yes, I think it'll be a great um artistic.

H

And uh practical uh restaurant contribution.

H

To the courthouse, so thanks great thank you.

G

uh Lee, I think it looks great.

I

I don't have anything to add to that good, no comments.

K

Thank you guys.

A

Chris sam any comments, the only comment I would have is I'd.

C

Encourage the owner, if they can to um go after some of that uh blocked.

C

Off street parking, so you can get some more outside uh seating space.

C

There's a lot of that around the square and with the current conditions.

C

We need all the help we can get. Absolutely that's and that's something.

R

We would definitely want to explore and look into um as far as uh complications with like the piping and stuff. I know along the.

R

Corner right there um at six in college, I believe there is our.

R

Grease interceptors in the sidewalk, so I don't know if that would complicate things, but uh we will be looking into outdoor seating because.

R

That's something we totally want to be able to supply in the summer and be able to join the sun while you're, you know, have a tropical smoothie.

R

Whatever it may be, so.

A

Cool you know this is out of our purview, that.

L

Red brick corner is weird, and it's not original and you might think about.

L

Painting it black just just a thought.

Q

Yeah, I have no problem with that. It's not a recommendation.

L

Officially, I mean think about it, because it's sort of.

L

What's that doing there, you know sure you are now that you point that out it.

R

Kind of sticks out like a sore thumb, especially now that the windows are.

R

Finished and everything is black. um I honestly I'm going to look at that.

R

When I go back there later this evening, so good good recommendation, I appreciate that but I'll have an opposing comment.

H

uh That it, even though it's vertical it pulls down the eight brick.

H

Rust colored, I have no idea the correct terminology, but the.

H

Eyebrows to all those windows it brings that color down and makes it consistent.

H

With the upper two layers of the building.

H

Other upper two stories to some by color- I see that as well. I.

Q

Believe the plane with that building, they're they're planning on repainting.

Q

Here soon how much they're doing I have no idea. uh But if you, if you guys drive past there ever on the.

Q

Side of the building they've been experimenting with different colors, so.

Q

You'll see a different swatches that they've been going with so.

Q

I know once they repaint it is going to make this building.

Q

Look amazing and and hopefully will will keep its.

Q

Its uh its structure, the way it is and kind of pop the value a little bit. You.

Q

Know great, thank you. um I already made my.

A

Comment so can we get a motion.

C

Move to approve coa 20-29, second deb hutton all right! Well that.

C

Was sam approve or moving to approve, hey doug, bruce.

B

Yes, sam desaler, yes, susan dyer,.

B

Yes, jeff golden yes deb hutton. Yes,.

B

Lee san wise- yes, john saunders, yes, chris sturbaugh, yes,.

B

Motion carries eight zero, united. All right thanks guys. Thank you guys.

Q

Sorry to keep you waiting again, I know you're trying to wrap up there appreciate it. Thank you we'll hope to see you guys here soon, all right.

L

Looking forward to it come see, you thank you guys enjoy the rest of the evening.

R

And yes, come check us out soon we're going to have a bunch of goodies enjoy the rest of the evening. Thank you. Thank you. You too.

A

Okay, um so we got as far as public comments. Do we.

A

Have any announcements.

A

There are no announcements and our meetings adjourned.

J

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