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A
Thank
you.
I'd
like
to
cover
honor
the
bloomington
historic
preservation.
A
Going
to
join
the
meeting
and
if
we
have
any
questions
so
you
might
be
able.
A
To
help
us
out
so
let's
do
a
call
order.
A
All
right,
I
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
september
24th.
F
A
I
think
I
can
all
right
I'll.
Second,
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
C
Okay,
sam
desaler.
A
To
coas
20-40k.
B
All
right,
so
this
property
is
contributing.
B
American
core
square
style
home
built
circa
1920.
The
property
is
located
in.
B
The
ellen
heights,
local
historic
district,
the
owner,
wants
new
windows
because
a
single
pane
glass
is
easily
broken.
B
The
upper
story,
and
then
20
of
those
are
replacement.
B
Windows
reading
the
elm
heights
design.
B
And
really
just
need
to
be
scraped
painted
and
and.
B
New
glazing
put
on
there,
so
staff
would
recommend
partial
approval
of
coa.
B
B
Staff
has
no
issue
with
the
replacement
of
the
one
over.
B
One
windows
that
you
see
on
the
lower
stories
staff
recommended
practitioner
that.
H
Are
a
rental
company,
so
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
requests.
B
H
A
rental
company
this
house
is
rented
out
to
students.
We
just
get
a
lot
of.
H
Your
guys's
guidelines,
you
know,
obviously
the
windows
at
the
bottom
had.
H
Been
replaced
so
we
are,
would
like
to
get
for
the.
H
Windows,
like
kind
of
looking
the
same,
we
do
use
a
company.
H
Out
of
montgomery
indiana,
so
we
do
use
a
an
amish.
H
And
a
half
years
to
my
knowledge,
we've
owned
the
property
for
about
the
past
six
or
seven
and
they
were
replaced
prior
to
us.
H
Right
but
we
have
done
one
similar
to
this.
A
No,
I
do
not
thanks
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
Right
sure
two
questions
one
is:
would
you
can.
L
Replacements,
and
also
are
they
proposing
to
do
a.
L
Afterwards,
we
would
be
doing
fiberglass.
L
Last
the
last
thing
on
this
property:
did
you.
B
Yes,
I
did
there,
they
are.
Thank
you.
B
Over
one,
just
looking
at
other
patterns
in
the
neighborhood
and.
B
B
A
Let's
move
to
comments
chris,
yes,
history.
I
Character
of
that
front
of
the
building
could
be
restored,
so
I
would
recommend
true
to
not
true
divided
lights,
but.
A
A
No
problem
doug,
we
we
appreciate
you
commenting
you
being
here.
Thank
you.
L
I
don't
condone
the
replacement
of
original
windows.
I
note
that
there.
L
Make
a
suggestion
in
that
there
are
one
over
ones.
L
And
they're
the
as
of
right,
can
replace
a
one
over
one.
But
if.
L
If
they're
willing
to
do
a
six
over
on
a
smaller
window,
but
it
looks.
L
L
Provided
that
they
are
applied
on
both
sides
with.
A
P
As
sam
pointed
out,
we
can't
really
mandate
that.
P
As
they
are,
if
they,
if
they're
maintained
they'll
last.
A
Thank
you
duncan.
I
don't
have
any
comments
to
make
and.
L
Or
with
divided
light
windows
with
grids
applied.
C
C
Thank
you
d.
So,
let's
move
on
to
coa
20-43
north.
B
Q
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
So
this
is
a.
B
Contributing
california
bungalow
style
home
built
circa
1920.
B
The
house,
without
a
planning
permit,
so
the
request
is
to
construct
an.
B
There
but
the
framing
looks
like
a
hip,
so
staff
would
recommend
approval
cua.
B
The
neighborhood
design
review
committee
voiced
their
approval
of.
B
The
project
all
right,
mr
or
tim,
do
you
have
more
comments.
Q
Tim,
I'm
taking
david's
place
since
I
know
about
the.
A
For
us,
no,
not
really,
I
mean.
Q
We
actually,
we
even
put
a
french
drain
around
the
front
of
this
too
he's.
Q
To
put
that
in,
that's
why
we
went
higher
so
we'd
have
an
eight-foot.
A
E
J
Comments,
I
did
I
heard
back
from
carrie
and.
O
Yes,
I
support
this,
it's
the
neighborhood
supports
it
and.
L
A
Right
gary
yeah
doug's
right:
this
is
how
houses
grow.
D
D
Think
we
definitely
approved
this
one.
A
Great
thank
you
derrick
and
duncan
no
comment
all
right.
Thanks
duncan.
A
I
must
agree
with
everybody
else.
I
think
the.
B
I
also
have
my
contractor
james
on
the.
B
Hello,
so
this
property
is
located
in
the
garden,
no
local,
historic
district.
B
Feet:
renovation
of
the
front,
porch
area.
B
The
to
either
side
they're
going
to
be
putting
in
a
wood.
B
Column,
I
believe
rounded
wood
columns
here.
Removing
some
of
this.
B
Aluminum
siding
and
yeah
trying
to
shore
it
up
here.
B
Original
openings,
replacement
of
windows
and
doors.
B
Replace
it
with
fiber
cement
board,
siding.
B
Is
really
a
restoration
job,
it
makes
it
a
more
authentic.
B
R
On
the
inside
of
the
sunroom
and
it
it
looks
to
be
okay,
so
we're
just
gonna.
R
Have
to
tear
it
off
and
see
what
we've
got,
but
either
way
we
will
put
back
what
was
there
as
close
as
we
can
to.
A
R
Correct
we
the
way
that
this
house
is
designed.
It
doesn't.
R
That,
as
best,
we
can
using
a
round
probably
wood.
R
That
we
can
use
there
and
then
build
a
brick
sort
of
pediment
for
that
to.
R
Sit
on
so
it
looks
very
much
like
the
present
picture
and
so
carrying.
R
Foundation,
so
our
plan
is
to.
M
Yes,
I
I
do
have
a
question
in
your
drawing
the
proposed
drawing
it.
S
A
Suggestions
on
that
there
are
no,
there
are
no
exposed.
Rafter
ends
on
this.
P
Submitted,
I
don't
have
that
on
my
powerpoint.
R
I've
yeah,
can
you
find
it?
I've
got
a
I've,
got.
R
One
side
of
it
and
then
it
will,
it
will
have
a
gable
similar
to
the
back.
B
Of
the
here's,
can
you
guys
see
this
drawing.
B
It's
like
the
door
slab
has,
I
think,
six
little
panes
in
the
top
here.
B
And
yeah
yeah
it
will
be
a
craftsman
style
door.
R
Picked
out
the
door
yet
since
then
I
have,
and
I
wish
I
could.
R
They
are,
the
sides
are
four
over
one
and.
R
R
The
crescent
plane
yeah
that
that's
common
actually
with
the
kit
houses,
yeah.
P
P
P
A
A
Sure
so,
going
off
from
what
duncan
was.
J
Pointing
out
susan
from
your
the
picture
that
you
have.
J
Drawing
on
the
right
hand,
side
as
we're
looking
at
it.
J
But
in
your
drawing
you
have
three
similarly
paned
windows.
J
Go
back
to
the
more
original
one
wide
window,
like
the
eight
over
and
a.
J
Original
crescent
plan
dave,
I
think,
they're.
I
think.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
chris
one
more
question.
I
Could
I
ask
a
question
yes
correct,
so
is
there
a
side
light
in
that
new.
R
In
that
front
gable,
but
there's
not
room,
there's
a
wall
behind
there.
That's.
I
Originally
yeah
I
would
have
to
we
can
see
on
the
as
you're
looking.
R
There
are
really
rotten,
so
I
don't
know
that
we
can.
R
James,
do
you
have
any
comments
on
that
yeah?
No,
I
don't
think
they
ever.
I
Terrific
thank
you
chris.
Yes,
comments
also
same
as
chris,
I.
A
O
Yes,
I
support
this.
I
also
applaud
the
restoration
and
I
also
agree.
O
That
the
front
windows
should
remain
since.
A
I
actually
have
been
in
this
property
and
thought
about
just
running
away.
R
All
there,
the
original
storms
are
on
the
front
windows
as
well,
and
so
we're
going
to
try
to
keep.
E
And
keeping
them
the
same
jeopardy
saying,
with
the
exception
of.
A
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
We're
gonna
move
on
to
demolition.
A
Delay
and
we're
gonna
start
out
with.
A
South
walnut
street
connor
sure.
B
So
first
I'd
like
to
welcome
charlie
boxing,
his
wife
joyce.
B
So
staff
would
recommend
that
this
is
for
the
common
council
for
designation.
B
With
food
services
in
bloomington
staff
finds
that
the
building
is.
B
B
I
Okay,
when
do
we
get
to
hear
the
boxman's
talk
about
the
building.
T
Well,
actually,
I
would
feel
very
grateful
if
they
could.
T
The
whole
the
whole
first
floor
of
422
and
424.
T
With
a
air
force
commission
in
the
time
I
was
actually
called
to
do
it.
B
Well,
if
anybody
any
commissioners
have
questions
for
mr
boxman,
you
can.
B
Certainly
address
those
questions
to
him,
and
I
would
also
ask
that
when.
B
A
J
Grandfather
owned,
it
was
it
two
separate
buildings.
J
J
I
have
a
second
question
for
you,
sir,
when
you.
J
Were
when
you
were
there
after
graduating
and
working
a
little
bit.
J
T
Well
yeah,
when
I
was
most
of
my
memories,
are.
T
Of
this
1951,
like.
A
D
Was
writing
my
book
etc,
but
that
you
guys
were
one
of
the
first.
D
T
The
back
in
the
late
30s,
my
first
exposure
to.
A
A
Okay,
josh:
do
you
have
anything
you
want
to.
A
Add
to
this
yeah:
hey
guys,
we're
on
here
and
and
just
kind
of.
U
The
light
that
mr
boxman,
here,
the
grandson
said
that.
U
Building
the
boxman
we'd
be
more
than
happy
to
put
up.
U
A
plaque
and
reference
all
the
stuff
that
connor
just
read
our
we
would
do
our
best
to
repurpose.
U
All
that
is
is
no
issues
on
our
part,
the
our
main,
our
main
driving
force
as.
U
Contractors,
one
of
the
contractors
guys
actually
redid
the
von
maur
theater.
U
I
got
muted
and
so
does
anyone
know
where
I
left
off
or.
U
But
and
and
one
of
those
contractors
actually
redid
the
von
maur
theater
and.
U
So
they've
been
down
this
road
before.
U
U
As
we
can,
and
so,
but
it
was
the
way
I
understood
the
attorney.
I
A
Right
jeff
and
you're
coming
yeah,
so
I
have.
E
Several
comments,
one
I
I
reviewed
all
of
the
public.
E
Response
and
as
conor
well
noted
in
the
email
to
us.
E
E
Restaurant,
I
I
think
that
they
should
be
honored
in.
E
Building
doesn't
doesn't
pay
any
homage
to.
E
Should
be
the
whole
kfc.
E
Symbol
that
was
used
to
sell
crappy
food.
E
Player's
pub
we
have
a
homeless
issue
at
the
park.
E
A
block
away
and
this
building
is
in
disrepair
and.
E
Part
of
downtown,
which
has
which
needs
it.
A
J
Comments
thoughtful
on
both
parts.
J
For
and
against
my
demolition,
I
do
think,
though,
that
a
lot
of
people.
J
His
own
business,
we
can't
make
a
vote
based
on
his
plan,
but
I
do
see.
J
Lost
and
the
restaurants
sort
of
echoing.
J
Or
as
as
nationally
commercial
as
colonel
sanders,
but
nonetheless
restaurants
are
someone's
business.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Susan.
K
Bad
shape
once
you
get
to
the
inside,
but
I
really
do
like
the
historic.
K
Thinking
I'm
gonna
support
moving
it
on
to
the
common
council.
O
O
Specifically
of
the
one-story
portion,
I
I
the
main
thing
that
I've
looked.
O
We
allowed
to
be
removed
because
I
still
think
it
held
more.
O
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
vote
for
releasing.
O
L
Life
left
in
it,
and
also
I
want
to
echo
some
of
the
things
that
my
other.
L
The
building
the
one
story
building
has
changed.
L
Significantly
over
the
course
of
its
life
and.
L
Building
one
other
issue:
I'd
like
to
bring
up.
L
Is
I
always
like
to
think
about
who
you
know
what
what
the
neighborhood.
L
Every
every
neighbor,
every
business
owner.
L
That's
amazing:
you
come
down
to
this
part
of
the
development
corridor.
L
There's
some
horrible
buildings
from
the
80s
there's
one
or
two
other
buildings
down
the
street
of
the
same
era:
matt.
L
The
building
that
is
salvageable
and
you
know
if
there
was
an
option.
L
Regardless
of
what
they
put
up
after
that's,
not
our
purview,
does
the
saving
of
this
building.
L
Least
one
of
the
questions
I'm
thinking
about
as
as
we
go
forward,
so
I
am
likely
to
support
demolition
on
this
one.
A
At
the
commission
level
to
to
maybe
save
the
facade
and
let
stuff.
A
To
the
original
texture
of
that
building,
let's
move
on.
D
D
Oh,
should
I
go
then?
Yes,
okay,
so
I
want
to
thank
josh
first
because.
D
And
yeah
there's
no
doubt
that
the
inside
of
the
players
pub
in
particular.
D
Is
in
it's
in
bad
shape,
there's
no
doubt
about
it.
However,
let's
start
with
context,
it
is
a.
D
On
coming
up
with
something
using
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,.
A
So
please
give
us
your
comments,
yeah.
I
would
also
support.
V
Designating
the
building
those
are
the
original
windows.
I
can.
V
See
on
the
two-story
somebody's
replaced
them
recently,
but
I
can
remember
recently
that
they
were.
V
Actually,
the
old
ones
too,
the
protuberances
on
the
front.
That's.
V
In
bad
shape-
and
I
also
would
be
so
lenient
and
generous
and.
V
Commercial,
so
you
know,
and
basically
his
design.
V
P
Most
about
them
was
that
all
the
people
who
seemed
to.
P
For
everyone,
the
petitioner,
as
well
as.
P
P
Restoration-
and
I
I
have
to
say
it
was.
P
You
would
like
to
do
or
ways
to
save
some
monikers
of
significance,
which.
A
Who
are
we
gonna
start
with,
so
how
I'm
going
to
do
public
comment?
Is
people.
W
Great
good
evening,
everyone,
I
just
you
know
just
in
terms
of
you
know.
W
Been
spending
time
in
that
area
for
a
long
long
time
you
know
first
and
foremost,
I.
W
Rents
and
prices
for
housing
are
going
up
at
two
fast
eclipse,
so.
W
Personally,
but
I
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
how
that
could
be
done.
So
that's
a
challenge
to
josh
if
he
has.
B
Thank
you
mark
next,
mr
price.
X
Order
to
gather
that
information
to
provide.
X
In
order
to
refurbish-
and
I
I
do
like
the
ideas
of
of
the.
X
The
facade
and
saving
some
of
the
integrity
of
the
player's
pub
and
that.
X
One
in
terms
of
two
being
for
the
demolition
to
bring
in.
X
Future
commerce
and
a
more
dense
building.
X
Would
like
to
see
and
then
what
do
you
think
about
a.
X
Two
to
one
spread,
I
think,
that's,
I
think,
that's.
X
Pretty
definitive,
but
I
also
don't
know
what
you
use
for.
Y
Hey,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
all
right,
so
my
perspective
is
a
little
bit.
Y
To
give
a
little
bit
of
of
that
mitchell
perspective
for
those
of
you
that
are
not
aware
of
the
family
history
in.
Y
Monroe
county,
their
father
isaac,
who
would
be
my.
Y
Have
gone
on
another
year
or
two,
but
he
was
on
the
county
commission.
Y
But
it
was
located
if,
on
the
south
side,.
Y
That's
where
the
family
farm
used
to
be
and
where
those
boys
would
have
been.
Y
South,
so
I
apologize
for
the
sirens
going
up.
Y
Would
just
like
to
see,
I
guess
I'm.
B
Wonderful,
I
appreciate
your
comments,
elena
jan
sorby,.
Z
Hi
I
have,
I
have
several
things
to
say.
Z
That
are
still
existing
to
the
discussion
of.
Z
Whatnot
along
this
corridor,
there
are
two
blocks
just
south
of.
Z
And
to
talk
about
places
that
are
good
for.
Z
For
upcoming
businesses,
new
businesses,
this
would
make
an
ideal
place.
This.
Z
And
a
lot
of
development
in
the
larger
student
developments.
Z
Of
it,
the
essence
of
the
building
is
still.
AA
Hi
folks
hi
it's
hard
to
follow
duncan.
AA
Campbell
and
jan
sorby
on
comments,
because
they.
AA
History
on
the
mitchell,
construction
with
bill,
coulter's.
AA
Assistance
megan
at
the
history
center,
but
I
have
to
say
that
you
know
I.
AA
Remember
visiting
this
building
with
nancy
houston
to
examine
it
prior
to
the
to
the
owner.
At
that
time,.
AA
Ruin
the
original
sign.
In
essence,
it
is,
the
facade,
is
original.
AA
But
it's
still
part
of
our
city
and,
like
others,
have
said,
the
home.
AA
B
B
All
right
next,
we
have
harry
chance.
AB
Sit
in
and
listen,
I
grew
up
in
bloomington.
I
do
live
in.
AB
Listen
to
y'all
talk
restoration
of
that
front
part.
AB
Be
able
to
be
built
up
and
be
able
to
generate
more
income
and
opportunity
for
blue
newton,
so.
B
AC
AC
Of
precious
real
estate
they're
not
building
anymore,
so.
AD
Yes,
can
you
hear
me
yes
great?
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
these.
AD
Biographical
criterion
here
and
it's
it's
very
unusual-
you
have
this.
AD
Historical
meeting
for
a
building,
so
I
think
that
that
makes
this
one.
AD
And
if
this
one
goes,
I
think
you're
probably
going
to
see
people
come.
AD
Forward
to
propose
demolitions
of
other
ones
too,
so.
AD
If
we
care
about
these,
these
wire,
brick
and
limestone
and.
AD
Tapestry
brick,
buildings
that
were
the
family
built
in
in
the
20s,
then
now's
the
time
to
start.
A
Yeah
josh,
okay,
and
just
so
everyone
knows
and
I'm
not.
U
Sure,
where
some
of
the
people
who
actually
took
the
time
actually
out
of
their
day
to
comment
tonight,
so
thank.
U
You
everyone
that
did,
but
but
we
owned
actually
mitchell.
U
B
All
right
before
jim,
we
have
jared
ray
just
raise
his
hand,
jared.
AE
Yeah,
I
just
think
that
the
it's
just
it's
such
an
eyesore
to
drive
down.
AF
They
were
tenants
there,
they
did
own
the
house
next
door,
which
now
is
under
our
ownership.
AF
The
m
in
the
brick
has
been
there
part
of
the
time
part
of
the
time,
not.
AF
Building
the
owner
lived
in
bloomfield.
G
E
So
I'll
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
and
then
we'll
just.
A
C
A
Also,
we
would
like
to
put
in
interim
protection.
We
can't
do.
K
A
Commission
meeting
tonight
look
forward
to
moving
this.
B
Right
right
so
up
next
we
have
demo
delay
2023.
B
Situation
for
this
property
is
no
different
same
area
same
street
staff
would
recommend
the
petitioner
talk
to
bri
to.
A
All
right
chris
questions.
I
A
Thank
you
chris.
So
we
need
a
motion
from
our
members.
A
To
move
this
back
to
our
next
meeting,
I
move.
We
continue
it
to
next
meeting.
I
J
Well
I'll,
ask
you
a
question
when
you
conor,
you
talked
about
bri.
AG
And
that
whole
area,
first
of
all,
this.
AG
AG
Health
care,
I
think
that
we
could
just.
I
think
that
the
the
the
historic
preservation
commission
can.
AG
Justify
what
it
is
that
we
are
hoping
to.
E
Commission's
want
to
get
the
previous.
B
John
saunders,
would
you
like
to
release
yes,
chris
sterbum.
A
So
adoption
restaurant
design
guidelines.
A
Under
old
business,
do
you
want
to
discuss
that
this
evening
or.
L
Have
time
to
look
at
what
I
sent
you
immediately
before
the
meeting,
but
I've
got
a
couple
of
illustrations
to
fill
in.
E
Subject
to
sam's
contribution,
oh
second,
great.
A
D:
okay,
sam
desaler,
susan
dyer,
yes,.
A
Okay,
commissioner
thomas,
I
just
want
to.
E
Do
have
duncan
brought
up
a
couple
points.
E
About
having
some
more
detailed
information.
E
Around
coas,
for
instance,
the
door.
B
I
tried
my
best
jeff
susan
sent
me
the
door
like
three
days
ago.
E
Great
story,
yes,
thank
you,
and
I
want
to
thank
all.
A
Our
commissioners
this
evening
for
all
their
input,
it
was
very.
A
Valuable
any
more
comments.
A
All
right
hearing,
then,
let's
give
us
a
meeting.