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A
Now
so,
let's
call
this
median
order
b.
Can
you
take
the
roll
please.
B
Matt
seddon
here
bernard
ross,
jeff
golden
here
and
duncan
john
okay
duncan
campbell
yeah.
A
Great
so,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
It's
approval
of
the
minutes.
B
Hey
lee
san
wise.
C
C
C
B
Yes,
okay,
chris
durbaum,
yes,
john
saunders,.
B
A
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
coas
we're
gonna
go
with
coa
21-28.
Okay,
just
a
moment
is
everybody.
A
Upside
down,
okay,
he
thought
he
was
on
the
jeff
bezos
flight.
Okay,
there
you
are.
E
So,
okay,
so
first
of
all
hello,
everybody,
I'm
gloria
colon,
the
new
historic
preservation.
E
E
E
So
the
staff
comments
that
this-
and
this
is
based
on
historic
guidelines.
E
E
On
the
stone
itself
now
the
proposed
amendment
or
the
proposed
changes
to
put
it
on
on
the.
E
Not
on
the
stone
to
the
panel
section,
but
we're
not
really
recommending
it
as
it
is.
E
Complement
this
dark
nature,
nature
of
the
building.
However,
the
purpose,
our
purpose
is
not
to.
E
Disincentivize
work
there's
still.
I
do
believe
that
there
was
some
research
being
done
in
the.
E
E
E
E
Can
be
modified
either
through
material
change
through
placement
change
that
could
be
a
little.
E
More
that
could
be
much
more
acceptable
with
regards
to
the
building,
so
this
is
basically.
G
Yeah
hi,
this
is
john
rabel.
I
don't
have
any.
G
Yeah,
I
don't
have
any
additional
comments
to
that.
I
did
send
over
to
brent
an
alteration.
H
No
questions
sam.
I
guess
my
question
is
in
reading
the
packet
I'm
unclear
as
to
this.
I
If
this
is
just
a
presentation
or
if
the
sign
has
actually
been
physically
moved,.
F
Yeah,
I
can
answer
it
yeah
yeah,
so
we
we.
If
you
recall
from
the
first
meeting,
I
was
not
aware.
G
That
of
the
historic
ordinance
and
and
its
relation
to
this
building,
so
we
had.
G
And
I
think
you
know,
that
is
something
we
can
consider.
I
mean
from
our
experience.
G
You
know
those
are
quick
to
be
picked
up
and
or
vandalized,
which
you
know
is
commonplace.
Something.
G
That's
not
not
permanent
something
more
of
a
permanent
permanent
one
like
was
shown
in
the.
J
G
G
Physical
in
the
ground
that
has
our
name
on
it
in
case
the
property
changes,
hands.
G
As
it
relates
to
granite's
name
on
that,
my
suggestion
would
be
to
hold
off.
C
G
G
Up
that
picture
that
I
sent
yesterday
with
the
adjustment,
but
it
it's
essentially.
G
A
rectangular
white
sign
that
has
a
yeah,
the
granite
url
and
an
812
phone
number.
A
K
Rental
agency
yeah.
Sorry,
I
should
clarify
we're
just
exclusively
a
third-party
property
management.
G
Company,
so
the
owner
owns
the
property
but
doesn't
we're
the
agent
for
the
owner.
G
But
I
I
would
from
the
mock-ups
of
the
signage
I've
seen
from
his
sign
vendor.
You
know
it.
K
G
Well-
and
I
can
elaborate
on
that
a
little
bit
the
topic
of
signage
from
the
owner's.
G
G
Whether
grant
is
involved
or
not,
but
that's
that's
really
all
I
know
of
it
as
of
right
now,.
I
No
a
couple
of
comments.
My
understanding
at
the
end
of
the
last
meeting
was
that.
I
I
I
D
Or
signage
in
the
front
yard,
even
for
advertising,
not
sure
that
what
you
have
up
there
looks.
D
D
I
don't
know
advertising
on
a
on
a
building
like
that.
So
like
I,
I
agree
that
it's.
D
D
L
E
An
below
ground
cistern
and
then
to
rebuild.
In
addition,
a
small
addition
to
the
house.
E
This
is
all
back
facing.
None
of
this
is
visible
from
the
streets,
so
I
used
the.
E
The
historic
district's
manual
and
used
that
to
guide
sony
structure.
E
Accessories
to
primary
buildings
should
visually
compatible
and
the
new
structures
when
possible.
E
Should
be
placed
either
support
in
it
and
and
there's
this
idea
of
it
being
not
competing
with.
E
E
Changed
it
to
a
staff
recommendation,
so
please
do
not
let
yourself
be
guided
by
what
is
on
the.
E
Be
approved
with
no
comments,
so
this
is
where
the
where
everything
is
taking.
E
Here
is
another
image
of
the
jutting
out
underneath
the
wooden
black
planks.
We
have.
E
Is
has
the
red
arrows
so
yeah?
That's
basically
it
for
that.
One!
Okay!
Before
we
move
on
I'm
going.
A
New
edition
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
run
the
media,
so
petitioners
do
you
have
anything
to
add.
M
Sorry,
just
that
all
of
this
was
brought
about
when
we
discovered.
M
Causing
part
of
our
house
to
sink
into
the
ground
so
hoping
to
fix
that
fix
the.
M
Foundation
damage
that
has
occurred
and
then,
when
we
rebuild
just
slightly
expand.
A
Great
thank
you
so,
commissioner
questions
john.
H
No
questions
sam:
this
is
greater
prospect
hill,
so
they
don't
have
a
committee
right.
A
There
is
a
committee,
and
did
we
hear
anything
from
the
committee,
not
that
I
know
but
we're
in.
A
I
D
Of
the
new
addition
from
the
alley
side
that
would
be
from
the
west,
I
think
I
need
to
pull
it
up.
D
A
Jenny
what's
your
question:
maybe
I
can
answer
it
yeah.
There
was
a
piece
of
the
limestone.
D
Obviously
not
original
to
the
house
now
that
part's
coming
off.
If
you
look
to
the
left,
it.
D
M
M
M
Sure
yeah
and
we
are
very
interested
in
having
a
consistent
facade
and
using
matching.
H
No
comment
sam
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
I
think
this
edition.
I
I
Line
with
the
guidelines,
I'm
a
big
hater
of
glass
blocks,
so
even
in
a
bathroom
I
can.
I
You
might
want
to
consider
like
a
fiberglass
window
because
they're
it's
just
much
nicer
for.
I
From
that
point
of
view,
but
I'll
I'll
support
this
one
chris,
I'm
with
sam
on
this.
B
E
The
petitioner
david
andrick
is
not
here
but
has
a
representative.
You
talked
to
me
earlier.
E
E
As
possible,
so
the
staff,
as
has
been
using
the
local
guidelines
for
each
case
in
this
case.
E
No
products
imitating
grain
or
wood
should
be
used.
Then
again,
the
proposal
is
calling
for
either.
E
The
same
stone
or
the
same
type
of
stone
limestone
to
be
used
so
yeah
so
far,
so
good.
The
main.
E
Just
the
main
comments,
so
it
doesn't,
we
don't
approve
or
again
recommending
for
an
approval.
E
E
E
Principal
picture
you
can
see
in
the
corner,
that's
some
of
the
pieces
of
at
least
one
piece
has.
E
Tell
see
that
there
is
spalling
and
breaking
in
some
corners,
particularly
close
to
the
staircase.
O
O
F
John
no
questions
sam
two
questions.
One
is
the
proposal
calls
for
pvc
piping.
I
And
I
assume
that's
you
know
for
for
weeps
the
existing
wall
has
you
know
the
the
the
weeps
or.
I
I
Do
you
probably
don't
have
a
detail
of
that
or
do
you
know
how
they're
going
to
address
the
the.
E
E
Gave
the
they
gave
the
google
image
the
sorry
the
google
earth
image
that
has
the
demarcation.
I
Okay,
so
I
guess
the
only
other
question
I
have
is:
are
they
planning
to
do
the
stairs
as
well.
E
Be
patient
with
me
please,
I
close
the
it
says
reset
steps,
but
it
doesn't
address
the
railing
so.
O
O
A
A
Any
questions
from
the
public
commissioner
comments,
john.
F
H
I
That
they're
taking
it
down
and
putting
it
back
up
with
proper
drainage
behind
it,
which
was
the.
J
F
Jeremy
yeah,
I
was
going
to
comment
that
it
looked
like
the
to
the
left
of
the
steps.
D
K
I
I
noticed
that
as
well.
It's
a
little
hard
to
tell
whether
that's
a
previous
repair
or.
K
A
Great
sam,
you
want
to
make
the
motion
sure
I
moved
to
approve
with
the
caveats
that
the.
I
That
the
petitioner
comes
back
if
they're
going
to
change
the
rail
or
reinstall
the
rail
and
that.
I
They
make
sure
that
the
rusticated
or
split
face
is
on
the
street
facade.
Does
that
cover
it.
E
This
year,
as
it
was
not
contributing,
this
is
in
the
near
west
side
conservation
district,
the.
E
Petitioner
is
the
architect
don
gray,
so
this
is
a
one
and
a
half
story
home
with
the
gable
form.
E
District
to
look
there
is
sort
of.
There
is
a
goal
of
yes,
new
constructions
can
be
built,
but
to.
E
So
the
porch
actually
does
align
pretty
well
and
any
building
height.
That
appears.
E
This
bit
of
the
near
west
side
conservation,
district
guide
guidelines,
just
because.
E
That
it
has
a
lot
of
examples
of
structures
and
the
scale.
So
the
comments
here
are
a
little
bit.
E
More
subtle-
and
I
hope
everybody
can
can
follow
through,
but
we
do
recommend
and
again.
This
is.
E
All
of
you
will
do
your
thing,
but
our
recommendation
is
the
redesign
of
the.
E
Following,
if
possible,
the
height
isn't
keeping
with
a
larger
historic
context,
but.
E
Facade
so
there
are
some
recommendations
for
a
separate
torch
roof
or
to
just
to
break
up
the.
E
Front
facade
a
little
more,
however,
these
are
just
recommendations,
it's
a
take
it
or
leave
it.
E
Oversizedness,
and
so
here
is
a
bit
more
on
the
mass
scaling
according
to
the
handbook.
E
The
front
back
and
sides
look
well.
The
the
staff
has
no
comment
on
that.
E
E
E
The
entry
of
the
car,
and
that
is
in
the
towards
the
alleyway,
the
back
of
the
building.
N
Mr
greg,
yes,
oh,
oh
that's
good!
All
right!
No
problem!
Yes,
I'm
here
and
I
believe
dell
and
kelly.
N
Becks
that
the
owners
of
the
property
and
our
clients
are
here
virtually
as
well
right.
N
Yeah,
so
I
would
just
say
that
the
may
it
may
not
come
across
in
the
rendering.
N
As
you
see
it,
but
there
was,
the
intent
is
for
the
inset
porch
to
have
a
bit
of
a.
N
Over
the
inset
porch
would
actually
project
not
significantly
maybe
12,
inches
or
so,
and.
N
The
garage
is
set
back
from
the
alley
10
feet,
so
it
may
be
a
multiple
point
turn
I
wouldn't
deny.
N
That,
but
I
think
it
is
doable.
Okay
and
you're
gonna
put
an
accessory
dwelling
in
it
as
well.
N
Have
bare
necessities?
They
are
planning
to
have
plumbing
installed
or
rough-in
plumbing
installed.
I
N
N
N
Okay
and
then
the
the
other
question
I
have
is
so
on
the
uphill
side
at
that
corner,
it.
I
I
Between
the
bottom
of
the
trim
and
grade
there
will
be
there's
actually
a
small
retaining
wall.
N
At
the
property
line
to
the
west
of
this
proposed
house-
and
so
it's
a
little.
N
Tricky
to
render
how
that
actually
would
be,
but
the
sidewalk
is
sloping,
but
the
beyond
it
is.
I
I
guess
the
other
question
I
have,
would
you
so
so
this
this
12
inch
protrusion?
It
reads
on.
I
I
J
Yes,
why
did
you
choose
non-traditional
materials
for
a
traditional
front
of
a
building.
N
Right
so
I
think
we,
the
intent,
was
to
use
materials
that
are.
N
Different
for
the
gable
trim,
we
were
trying
to.
N
D
Okay
hear
me
now:
yes,
okay
great,
it
reads
to
me
quite
modern.
I
think
it's
probably
the.
D
It
could
be
something
more
traditional,
but
it
it
feels
very
modern.
To
me
I
mean.
D
About
it,
for
me,
is
that
a
question
yeah,
so
I
was
wondering
yeah.
The
question
was.
D
Is
that
a
piece
of
wood
and
and
a
stringer
or
a
piece
of
wire,
I
don't
know.
D
So
I'm
I'm
having
a
hard
time
reading
the
facade
at
all.
Anyway,
that's
my
question:
could
we
get.
D
Better
examples
of
what
what's
on
the
house,
but
that's
it
thanks.
A
John,
do
you
have
any
response
to
that
sure
we
would
be
happy
to
provide
images
and.
K
Maybe
gloria
you
put
that
messing
image
back
on
for
us,
but
I
just
I
just
wonder
if
you
would.
N
Right,
I
think
hello,
just
just
give
me
your
comments
on
it
dawn
sure.
So
you
know
we
were.
N
Do
it,
I
don't
think
it's
too
big
for
the
site,
but
you
know
I'd
love
to
hear
more
of
your
comments.
F
Okay,
sam,
I
would
respectfully
disagree.
I
think
the
architect
has
done
a
very
laudable
job.
I
One
of
them
is
about
height,
and
you
know
I
walked
the
neighborhood
with
these
folks
when.
I
I
I
Meet
building
code,
but
boy
I've
lost
the
lost.
My
page,
I
think
it's
like
29.
I
29
under
building
height
item
three
very
building
heights
may
be
appropriate.
I
30
feet
and
two
story:
height
maximum.
So
it's
within
that
and
one
of
the
questions
I
was.
I
I
The
beam
coming
off
of
the
front-
I
don't
get,
I
think,
that's
wonky,
but
I
think
using
the.
I
Pattern
but
also
saying
this
was
built
now,
so
I
am
I'm
very
happy
with
this
one
for
the
most
part.
C
And
I
think
that's
what
we're
shooting
for.
So
I'm
I'm
with
sam
thanks.
C
Great
great,
I
I
think
it's
very
well
thought
out
very
respectful
of
the
neighborhood
worked.
L
With
the
guy
within
the
guidelines
and
the
height-
and
I
I
think
it's
very
very
well
done.
P
J
D
I
probably
don't
have
as
much
problems
with
the
mass,
as
I
think
the
reason.
D
I
don't
know
it's,
it's
not
a
bad
project
and
I'm
glad
to
see
something
going
on
the
lot.
D
It's
attractive
but
I'd
like
to
see
things
like
real
wood,
mullions
on
the
windows
and.
D
D
To
some
things
of
how
they're
going
to
appear
so,
probably
a
little
more
detail
and
I'd
probably.
K
They're,
all
over
town
and
and
they're
they're,
really
a
distinctive
form
in
bloomington.
K
K
K
I
go
down
the
street
and
it's
extremely
simple,
which
I
think
is
I,
like
your.
I,
like
the
restraint.
K
Context
of
an
existing
historic
neighborhood
is
refreshing
frankly,
so
nice
job.
I
like
this
project.
A
We're
not
we're
not.
Our
goal
is
not
to
make
it
fit
in
historically,
but
to
make
it.
J
A
I
think
that
it
fits
in
while
showing
that
it's
not
a
historic
house.
It
is
modern,
go
ahead.
Chris.
J
Yes,
sam
may
call
this
historicity
or
whatever
that
word
was,
but
there
are
traditional
forms
that.
J
J
J
J
Blankness
and
less
appearance
of
of
a
larger,
much
larger
looming
building
so.
A
Thanks
chris
and
apologies,
no
problem,
anybody
have
a
motion.
Actually
can
I
do
one
follow-up.
F
Okay,
coa
2132
is
a
proposal
for
a
deck
addition
of
98
square
feet
to
the
existing
deck.
E
It
would
also
include
an
additional
set
of
stairs,
so
the
staff
comments
that
it.
E
It
employs
materials
that
are
that
are
already
being
used
in
the
neighborhood.
It's
proposed
to.
E
Be
built
in
wood
matching
the
current
deck
the
existing
deck.
All
new
construction
should
be.
E
Self-Supporting,
it
is,
let
me
see,
and
it
should
be
constructed
behind
the
primary
facade.
So
this.
E
Is
secondary,
it's
still
facing
a
main
roadway,
but
there
is
an
existing
deck
already
so.
E
Let
me
see
yeah
the
recommendations.
We
approve
it
for
the
following
reasons:
we
recommend
it
for.
E
The
following
reasons:
the
addition
is
minimal
and
consists
of
an
addition
to
an
existing
deck.
It.
E
Is
distant
from
the
second
artery
away,
so
it's
towards
the
back
of
the
deck
not
towards
the
front.
E
And
it
doesn't
impact
the
primary
facade
in
any
way
the
wood
is
supposed
to
match.
E
The
existing
deck-
so
I
don't
have
a
beautiful
image
of
the
proposed
edition
here-
is
what
the.
Q
They
probably
were
made
aware
of
the
media,
so
this
will
be.
We
need
to
take
action.
I
C
Anybody
else
yeah
I'll
I'll.
Third,
that
and
then
auntie
up
with
the
packet
was
extremely.
A
Anybody
else
yeah,
can
we
figure
out
a
time
to
talk
about
the
creamery.
I
A
That
right
now
so,
can
I
ask
a
question
then
about
her.
I
was
out
there
at
the
site
visit.
C
C
Learn
how
many
you're
learning
right,
you're
learning
correctly,
that
we
should
look
at
the
math.
A
C
Economic
aspects
of
it
things
like
that,
I'm
not
any
conclusions,
but
a
coa
does
have.
C
Slightly
different
things
from
a
demolition,
so
I'll
stop
there
yeah,
okay,
great,
so
that
that.
Q
A
A
A
And
it
seemed
fine,
and
it
really
is
for
me
removal
of
that
edition,
which
is
an
addition.
A
Their
plans
are
going
to
change
that
building
so
much
that
it's
gonna,
you
know
it's
gonna,
take.
J
K
Really
ready
to
sort
of
pass
judgment
on
that,
but
I
they're
there
it
would.
It
may
be
possible
to.
K
Have
a
lifespan
they
they're
very
vulnerable
to
weather.
We
completely
repointed
the
inside
and.
K
K
K
K
Just
because
they
are
greedy,
to
be
honest,
I
said
it,
you
heard
it
that's
why
I'm
your
advisor.
K
To
save
it,
and
here
they
come,
you
know
now
that
we've
made
the
place
a
nice
place
to
live.
K
So
punish
me,
I
I
will
say
from
a
staff
perspective
that
legal
is
reviewing
the.
Q
It
comes
to
using
unsafe
building
fund
money
to
repair
placing
it
in
even
a
receivership.
Q
Dixon
or
anybody
who
may
be
a
part
of
that,
but
you
know
because
it
is
leaning-
and
I
know
that.
Q
K
K
And
that
we
completely
reconstructed
that
that
that
part
part
we
put
a
whole
new
roof
in
it,
put.
K
I
Mainly
concerned
with
that
drainage
that
limestone
arch
ceiling,
drainage,
culvert,
that
goes
beneath.
K
They're,
not
the
first
people
to
explore
the
to
see
the
flood.
You
know
and
and
there
is
a
solution.
K
K
Possibility
that
don't
include
tearing
anything
down,
so
you
know
I
I
I
felt.
C
And
nomination
and
everything
that's
been
said,
and
what
duncan
has
pointed
out
about
the.
C
Crucial
to
the
building
and
not
just
a
sort
of
secondary
part,
no
matter
how
much
the
petitioner.
C
May
seem
to
feel
that
it,
you
know,
doesn't
contribute
to
the
historic
nature
of
the
building.
C
On
this
matter,
is
that
you
know
saying
attributing
a
statement
like
greedy.
C
K
Meaning
taken
anybody
else,
yep
yeah,
you
got
something
yeah.
I
wouldn't
suggest
that
we.
D
D
If
you
look
at
the
guidelines
of
the
national
guidelines
for
us
to
actually
set
up
historic.
D
I
would
like
a
little
more
interest
in
that
part,
and
I
have
no
objection
for
them.
Building.
D
D
A
That
process
and
I'm
sure
that
I
I
believe
that
the
smokestack
is
going
to
come
to
us
separately.
A
They
can't
do
anything
before
coming
in
front
of
us
so
and
I
think
probably
you
know.
A
Anybody
else
yes
welcome
back
lee,
yes
great
to
have
you
back
lee.