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A
Very
great,
thank
you.
Dee,
so
I
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
January
26th
meeting.
A
A
Have
a
an
approval
for
the
minutes,
Daniel
made
the
motion
in
Bernard
seconded.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Daniel
Slagle,.
C
A
B
A
E
Coa
23-3
for
212
South,
Grand
Street,
located
in
the
restaurant
row,
historic
district,
the
the
petitioners
are
requesting
to
change
the
porch
and
the
back
of
the
building
redo
aspects
of
the
porch
in
front
of
the
building,
change
the
siding
and
change
the
windows.
We
we
saw
this
case
during
our
last
meeting
and
had
a
conversation
on
the
Windows
and
on
the
siding.
The
main
ask
that
we
had
for
the
petitioners
was
that
the
that
they
look
underneath
the
existing.
E
The
newer
siding
and
see
what
the
building's
original
sighting
look
looks
like,
which
they
did
as
to
the
Windows
window.
Change
is
permissible
in
this
historic
district,
so
the
staff
does
recommend
approval
for
COA
2303.
Last
time,
I
said
with
consideration
for
individual
Windows
to
be
restored,
weatherized
and
Incorporated
possible.
E
That
being
said,
right
now,
staff
just
recommends
approval
of
2303,
as
it
is,
the
the
petitioner
provided
photos
of
the
original
lap
sighting
that
measures,
six
inches
of
exposure
and
just
very
quickly
I'm
gonna
scroll
down
here-
are
images
of
overlap,
siding
underneath.
So
this
photograph
is
from
the
first
floor.
E
So
the
plans
are
a
little
different.
They
do
sorry,
okay,
so
they
are
requesting
sixth
inch
lap
siding
on
the
first
floor,
four
inch
lap
siding
on
the
second
floor
staff
doesn't
have
find
out,
have
a
position
to
this
because
it
isn't
keeping
with
the
style
of
building,
although
it
does
not
necessarily
reflect
the
history
of
this
specific
building.
That
said,
staff
will
defer
to
the
HPC
on
their
final
decision
regarding
the
siding,
the
windows
and
everything
else,
and
with
that
I
leave
it
to
you.
F
Yes,
also,
obviously
we
haven't
done
a
full
film
version
on
the
outside
of
this
building,
we'll
take
the
siding,
the
vinyl
siding
this
here
right
now
we
find
different
details,
Society
profiles,
whatever
it
is,
and
where
it's
a
consistent
side,
full
height,
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
that
we're
not
posting
doing
that.
I
mean
this
was
something
that
we
did
basically,
assuming
that
this
was
consistent
with
the
character
if
we
were
changing
updating
for
the
restoring
into
the
character
in
the
school
system.
F
Like
to
use
Fiber
snow,
we're
going
to
replace
it
with
a
fire
siding
the
reason
we're
doing
that
this.
This
building
is
going
to
be
fully
gutted,
pretty
much
on
the
inside
and
the
outside,
and
we
would
like
to
re-insulate
it.
We
see
the
weatherproof
everything
that
needs
to
be
done
to
bring
it
up
a
lot
of
the
standards.
Okay,
but
duplicating
the.
G
I
looked
at
this
the
other
day
when
Gloria
sent
it
out
so
with
the
different
Windows.
Is
it
pretty
well
you're
going
to
replace
all
of
the
windows,
then
there's
not
going
to
be
any
saved
or
restored
or
kept
on
and.
F
Really
reliable
place
all
the
windows
and
basically
match
the
sizes
of
as
closely
as
possible,
probably
within
an
inch
of
the
sizes
and
the
mutton
patterns
and
everything
else.
So
what
you
see
right
now,
a
lot
of
I
know
there's
a
question
about
why
this
was
presented
the
way
it
is
three-fourths
of
the
windows
on
this
with
exception.
F
Right
now
on
the
drawings
we
provided
are
windows
consistent
with
the
original
windows.
I
mean
nothing
has
been
changed
on
this
building
in
100
years.
It's
been
there
with
the
exception
of
those
kind
of
poorly
done
bathroom
additions
and
things
they
did
on
the
back
yeah.
It
was
completed,
departments
and
we're
changing
those
out
and
putting
windows
that
are
compatible
consistent.
What
kind
of
the
character
of
the
other
windows
that's
on
routine
yeah?
We
would
like
to
replace
all
the
windows
and
other
windows
are
operational
now
functional.
F
And
that's
pretty
much
a
consistent,
honest
statement:
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
you,
you
have
obviously
been
in
the
building,
but
I
don't
see
it
from
the
outside
and
it's
pretty
badly
deteriorated
so
to
rebuild
all
those
windows
and
then
I
mean
obviously
it
could
be
done,
a
replacement
with
Windows.
We
would
like
to
replace
them
with
a
high
efficiency,
fiberglass
window
yeah.
G
G
F
C
H
E
This
point
yes-
and
there
is
a
reasoning-
and
it's
mainly
this
in
this
District-
really
allows
for
it
like
it
goes
to
the
the
their
guidelines
go
out
of
the
way
to
say
this
type
of
building
contributing
building
windows
can
definitely
be
like
they
really
emphasize
that
staff
prefers
for
Windows
to
be
whenever
possible,
saved.
E
That
does
require
a
study
that
has
to
be
done
and
work,
but
if
this
was
a
different
District,
then
staff
would
have
recommended
like
go
back
and
just
put
you
know,
of
storm
windows,
but
because
the
guidelines
are
created
by
the
communities
and
because
the
character
of
the
building
will
be
preserved,
then,
because
this
building
will
be
given
a
second
life
in
a
very
hostile
Corner,
so
yeah.
So
the
short
answer
is
yes.
The
long
answer
is
Steph
has
thought
about
this
deeply.
D
C
Another
question:
let's
just
say
some
of
the
with
some
of
the
windows
were
restorable,
repairable
and
others
weren't.
C
Would
it
be
a
requirement
to
repair
those
that
were
and
replace
those
out
warrant,
and
would
that
not
give
a
kind
of
lopsided
view
to
the
building?
I
mean
some
windows
that
are
old
and
repaired
and
then
having
some
brand
new
windows?
Would
it
be
a
choice
between
either
fixing
them
all
and
those
that
can't
be
fixed?
You
get
similar
I,
don't
know
old
windows
that
match
in
age
and
design
or
just
replace
all
of
them.
Wouldn't
that
would
that
be
the
choice?
Is
there
a
third
option?
There.
E
I
mean
all
of
these
are
things
that
are
can
become
theoretical
debates
on
what
your?
What
wants
you
know,
theoretical
framework,
is
on
how
a
building
should
look.
Some
buildings
in
the
world
have
combinations
of
new
buildings,
a
new
windows
and
old
windows,
because
some
of
them
simply
aren't
repairable,
but
the
material
is
considered
so
important.
Like
a
tree.
That's
extinct
or
something
like
that
that
you
want
to
keep
us
and
then
others
just
restore
everything,
even
if
it's
encapsulating
the
whole
window
in
the
proxy
or
something
like
there's
so
many
different.
E
E
You
can
so
the
the
guidelines
and
Duncan
says
this:
all
the
time
guidelines
are
to
guide
you
and
you
can
weave
in
and
out
and
use
them
as
a
jumping
off
point
to
say.
Well,
in
this
specific
case,
the
guidelines
in
this
building
align
perfectly.
In
this
other
case,
we
need
to
be
a
bit
more
restrictive
or
a
bit
more
relaxed.
E
It
is
basically
the
starting
point
and
it
it
does
help
to
guide
you're,
not
they're,
not
it's
not
rule
of
law,
but
it
is
up
to
you
to
decide
like
okay,
the
guidelines
say
that
they
can
all
be
changed
and
we're
going
to
go
with
that,
or
in
this
specific
case
we
really
really
don't
think
these.
All
of
these
windows
should
be
changed,
that
it
is
a
decision
that
the
HPC
can
make.
A
A
I
D
I
E
E
Yeah
prospective
greater
Prospect
Hill
is,
is
very
really
more,
dare
I,
say
relaxed,
but
prospectile
core
is.
A
E
A
G
Right
we'll
start
over
here
next
time,
yeah
I,
think
I,
think
I
kind
of
feel
like
how
Gloria
said,
like
the
the
guidelines
say
that
they,
the
windows,
can
be
replaced.
I,
always
working
with
history,
I,
always
think
of
like
the
story
of
old
Grandad's
acts
when
you've
replaced
the
handle
three
times
and
you've
replaced
the
blade
twice.
G
G
The
the
overall
aesthetic
I
understand
that
in
in
the
fact
that
this
District
explicitly
goes
out
of
its
way
as
Gloria
pointed
out,
I,
don't
I
don't
feel
as
bad,
but
I
do
feel
I
mean
I'll
grudgingly
be
on
board,
but
I
like
when,
when
stuff
like,
when
it
can
be
saved
when
it
is
safe,
because
it
just
adds
that
much
more
to
a
historic
district
by
keeping
the
historic
parts.
A
G
A
C
This
is
one
of
the
the
reasons
I
never
liked.
How
and
I'm
gonna
say:
Bloomington
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
unique
to
Bloomington
or
ever
historic
district
in
the
country
follows
the
same
process.
C
I
never
made
sense
to
me
on
a
policy
level
that
guidelines
change
from
District
to
district
and
that,
even
though
the
same
circumstances
may
affect
one
community
that
affects
another,
you
could
have
two
different
standards
and
you
know
you
could
have
the
same
building
in
another
district
and
this
wouldn't
be
a
load,
but
just
because
of
where
it
is
it
is
it
didn't
make
any
sense
to
me
it's
something
that
I
came
and.
C
D
H
Table
all
right,
the
context
I
can
give
before
I
was
a
council
member
I
was
a
historic
commission
member
for
years,
and
I
was
here
when
we
did
the
original
restaurant
row
and
I
I
fought
for
that,
and
those
buildings
were
all
weird
already,
but
they
were,
their
form
was
important.
They
had
a
residential
form
and
that's
what
we
fought
for,
because
the
land
value
was
going
to
destroy
them
all.
H
They
were
all
they'd
all
be
torn
down
if
we
hadn't
designated
that
years
and
years
ago,
and
this
extension
of
that
district
is
in
the
same
way
maintaining
form,
and
so
that's
the
context
of,
and
the
context
is
also
two
five-story
buildings
20
feet
away
from
this
poor
little
house.
So
if
we
didn't,
if
we
only
followed
the
regulations
to
the
T,
we
wouldn't
need
a
commission,
but
things
are
gray
they're,
not
black
and
they're,
not
white,
and
that's
what
our
job
is
as
a
commission
is
to
moderate
and
to
apply
things
as
appropriate.
H
So
I
completely
agree
with
staff,
and
this
is
to
set
this
building
off
for
another
hundred
years.
This
is
the
way
to
do
it,
and
it's
going
to
be
not
with
a
window.
That's
going
to
fall
apart
in
five
more
years
or
you
know
it's
going
to
be
ready
to
go,
but
the
form
is
going
to
be
there.
Amazingly,
it's
it's
that
Frontier
edge
of
that
form
district
and
you
step
20
feet
away,
and
it's
whoa
everything's
different
and
that's
dramatic
what
our
districts
do
and
that's.
H
J
I
just
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
getting
us.
The
extra
information
and
being
patient
about
it
and
and
I
was
swayed
by
your
argument
last
week
and
that
you've
summarized
nicely
here
and
yeah
I
think
the
approving
this
we
get
out
of
it.
A
building
that
stays
true
to
the
sense
of
that
District.
So
very
much
appreciate
that,
and
and
thanks
for
your
patience
and
all
I'm
happy
to
support
this.
A
Comments
again,
I
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
coming
back
and
doing
the
things
to
show
us
what
the
condition
is.
So
we
can
move
forward.
H
G
Did
want
to
say:
I
was
encouraged
that
when
you
said
that,
if
you
see
any
detail,
work
or
things
around
that
that
you're
willing
to
follow
that
and
you
want
to
incorporate
I
I-
do
think
that's
a
great
sign
and
it
is
I
think
a
great
touch
to
be
able
to
do
so.
I
I
did
want
to
voice
that
as
well.
That
I
think
that
that's
that's
excellent
you're
going
to
look
for
or
keep
an
eye
out
for
those
things
so
I
did
I
did
want
to
mention
that.
E
E
D
A
Let's
move
on
to
COA
23-6
Mark
where'd
you
go,
is
he
there?
Well
I
I
saw
him,
but
now
I
don't
see
him.
D
E
So
with
this
case,
we
had
seen
this
case
last
week.
We
had
actually
seen
it
last
year.
It's
for
a
new
house
or
a
duplex,
and
a
Matlock
Heights
historic
district
staff
recommends
approval
of
COA
23-06
the
buildings
proportions
height,
outline
and
massing
are
evocative
of
the
of
the
neighborhood
requirement
historic
district
requirements.
E
E
Here
are
some
additional
drawings,
so
they
had
originally
had
brick
and
now
they're
going
to
have
a
stone
veneer,
which
is
more
in
keeping
and
with
the
extra
details.
We
got
a
clear
sense
of
how
the
proposal
is
going
to
look
so
yeah
staff
staff
supports
this.
A
Very
good
Matt:
do
you
have
any
additional
information
for
us.
K
Yeah
hi-
this
is
Matt
helenwood
Mark
couldn't
make
it
this
evening,
he's
actually
on
a
flight,
so
I'll
I'll
be
doing
my
best
to
represent
not
a
ton
to
add.
Although.
D
K
Were
questions
last
time
about
the
street
development
and
I
did
reach
out
to
Karina
with
City
Planning,
and
she
gave
a
response.
I
believe
Gloria
had
received
that
the
gist
of
it
was
the
city
didn't
really
see
a
reason
to
extend
the
street,
because
that
would
just
mean
further
distance
for
services
to
have
to
basically
back
up
along
the
street.
K
Karina
did
recommend
that
I
reach
out
to
Adam
weyson,
which
I
did
but
I
have
not
heard
back
from.
D
A
Daniel,
oh,
no,
no
questions
very
good!
So
let's
move
on
to
comments.
A
L
G
J
I
mean
Matthew
I,
agree
as
well
the
door
facing
it
doesn't
jump
out
at
you.
It's
a
little
bit
bigger
than
typical
for
these
Lots,
but
I
I.
Don't
think
it's
going
to
jump
out
and
destroy
the
neighborhoods
overall
feel
so
I'm
comfortable
with
it.
I
Quickly,
this
is
exactly
what
we
did.
We
bought
a
house
in
Parkers
used
and
it
had
brick
on
the
front
and
I
was
like
nope
I'm.
Taking
that
off
first
thing,
I'm
putting
Limestone
and
I
did
exactly
what
this
they
did
from
Indiana
cut
Limestone
this.
What's
it
called
the
split
face
and
it
looks
paint
it.
Olive,
green
and
I'll.
Look
like
my
house,
so
I
can't
not
like
this.
I
G
J
A
D
A
All
right,
thanks,
Matt
you're
good,
to
go.
E
So
1319
East,
1st
Street
is
located
in
the
OM
Heights
historic
district
Angie
and
their
Ricketts
they're
in
Ricketts
sorry
are
requesting
to
change
the
the
current
asphalt
shingles
for
it
says
Brown
old
world,
but
it's
actually
going
to
be
more
black
old
world
slate
roof,
which
is
a
it
is
a
fake
slate,
but
it
looks
like
slate
and
here
is
a
photograph
of
what
it
would
be
of
what
it
would
look
like
and
of
the
house.
E
So
it's
a
composite
material
and
in
terms
of
the
sizing,
would
much
more
closely
match
the
what
they
believe
is
the
historical
site.
So
you
can
barely
see
it
in
this
photo,
but
there
is
a
bit
of
a
patterning
in
the
corners
of
what
this
roof
could
have
looked
like.
They
also
provided
some
additional
information.
I
did
reach
out
for
it
to
the
neighborhood
subcommittee
and
she
is
part
of
that
subcommittee,
but
the
other
members
have
not
responded.
So
that's
where
we're
at
and
yes,
staff
supports
this
approval
for
COA
23-09.
All.
B
A
L
Okay,
first
of
all,
I,
don't
like
the
word
fake,
not
just
kind
of
kidding,
but
it's
a
composite
and
it's
it's
very
eco-friendly.
We
did
a
lot
of
research,
it's
really
until
Darren
and
I
actually
picked
up
one
of
the
titles.
You
both
actually
thought
it
was
black
slate.
L
It
weighs
a
lot
less
and
one
of
one
of
the
problems
that
we've
faced
in
our
house
is
the
weight
we
finished.
The
attic
and
we've
had
you
know
basically
putting
an
actual
slate
roof
on
top
of
the
house
would
have
probably
crushed
it
or
you
know
it
wouldn't
have
crushed
it,
but
it
would
have
caused
a
lot
of
problems.
So
this
was
a
a
great
alternative
to
real
slate.
It's
the
company
is
called
Brava
tile
and
they
have
I
mean
they're.
Just
it's
amazing.
L
There
was.
We
have
a
neighbor
on
Second
Street,
who
used
a
very
similar
pile
and,
as
you
guys
know,
I
know
that
we're
almost
out
of
time
but
I'd
like
to
say
you.
L
L
So,
having
said
that,
everything
costs
three
times
as
much
and
takes
three
times
as
long
and
you
guys
all
know
that
as
well
as
anybody
does-
and
we
did
not-
you
did
not
know
that,
but
it's
taking
us
longer
to
get
to
you
know
what
we
are
the
final
product
of
our
of
our
home.
But
when
you
live
in
a
place
like
this,
it's
there's
a
lot
of
like
it's
almost
like
a
CIS.
L
You
know
investigation
as
every
spring
and
summer
when
I'm
digging
in
the
garden
I'll
find
something
and
I'm
like
what
is
this?
Is
this
a
piece
of
roof?
L
Is
this
a
piece
of
tile
and
I've
done
a
lot
of
research
and
I've
reached
out
to
or
been
in
contact
with,
nearly
with
all,
but
one
owner
of
our
house
since
1928
and
they've
all
been
able
to
provide
me
pictures
and
information
and
things
that
you
know
we
just
would
have
never
known
had
we
not
track
them
down
is
Duncan
in
here
I
heard
his
name,
I
mean
I,
recognize
Chris's.
I
A
Okay,
so
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right.
Let's
do
questions
really
quick,
we'll
start
with
Allison
Matthew
Chris.
C
Yeah,
of
course,
all
right.
Firstly,
it
seems
to
indicate
here
that
there
was
slate
on
the
roof
originally,
but
now
you're
saying
that
slate
would
be
too
heavy
for
the
roof.
I
don't
understand.
Is
there
an
engineer's
report
that
would
indicate
that?
Yes,.
A
L
We
were
to
replace
the
roof
with
any
this.
This
Brava
tile
costs
more
three
times
more
than
asphalt
and
actionable
tile
slate.
First
of
all,
the
house
couldn't,
you
know,
couldn't
support
it
and,
secondly,
if
if
we
can't
use
this
something
something
lighter
weight
than
we
would
replace
it
with
what's
existing,
which
is
asphalt
and
I,
don't
think
anybody
wants.
C
L
C
L
L
See
the
other
the
other
neighborhood
committee
members
did
did
reply
I,
maybe
maybe
Gloria
wasn't
part
of
that.
You
know
we
had
a
little
bit
of
a
conversation,
email
conversation
yesterday,
I,
don't
quite
you
know.
B
L
I
L
Neglected
no
one
had
lived
here
for
15
years
and
it
had
a
lot
of.
We
think
we
had
ceiling
joists
that
were
cut
we.
You
know
it's
really
been
quite
a
nightmare
and
we're.
Finally,
in
a
place
where
the
house
feels
happy
and
I
think
that
that
happiness
would
only
be
made
greater.
L
D
L
It
but
they
shoved
it
into
a
deep
dark
corner
in
the
in
the
Floor
of
or
in
the
corner
of
the
garage.
A
L
And
that
is
I
mean
from
all
we
know.
That's
the
or
you
know,
was
the
original
roof,
or
at
least
part
of
it,
so
yeah
I
guess
I
could
get
Kevin
Potter's
original
report
about
you
know
the
way
we
had
it
at
expert
supports
and
all
of
those
things
in
order
to
finish
our
attic.
A
A
C
A
L
The
community
sure
that'd
be
great
I'm
actually
going
to
be
out
of
the
country,
and
so
is
my
husband.
So
we'll
you
know
do
our
best.
If.
A
L
L
That,
well,
we
did
the
roofing
pump,
we
actually
they're
free
from
Brava.
They
send
you
as
many
samples
as
you
want
free
and
the
roofing
company
when
they
came
to.
You
know
help
us
make
the
final
selection,
based
on
the
the
tiles
that
we
found
in
the
basement.
They
took
them
with
them,
even
even
though
they
belong
to
us,
but
there's
a
house
on
Second
Street
and
it's
listed
in
the
it's
listed
in
my
petition,
and
they
have
the
exact
same
Brava
slate
that
we
have
ordered.
We.
A
L
A
L
A
Potter
report
describing
the
condition
of
the
roofing
structure
for
us
that
are
probably
being
in
2017.
and
then
okay,
we'll
put
you
the
first
of
our
list,
our
next
meeting,
which
is
on
the
23rd
right.
If
you
can't
make
it,
then
if
you
find
somebody
who
would
represent
you,
there
will
be
ideal
for
maybe
where
we
are
you'll
be
able
to
zoom
in
because
resume
Works
around
the
world
I
used
to
when
I
was
in
the
Philippines
here
recently.
So
if
you
got
it,
you
know
what
your
meeting
is:
okay,
okay,
sure
all.
L
I
L
And,
of
course,
Duncan.
D
L
Also,
when
we,
when
we
talk
again
all
everyone
in
our
neighborhood's,
very
curious
about,
what's
happening
with
the
Kinsey
house,
we
know
Consuela
and
Enrique
sold
it
to
the
IU
Foundation,
but
is
that
a
can
of
worms
if
it
is
I'd
like
to
discuss
it
at
the
next
meeting?
Oh
my
gosh
I
need
to
hold
this
okay.
Of
course,
my
face
turns
off
my
obstacle.
Yeah.
B
H
Well,
what
I
know
of
it
like
I,
was
I
researched,
some
roofing
for
the
Paris
dining
house,
and
we
were
talking
about.
Should
they
use
the
modern,
artificial
shingle
wood
shingle,
or
should
they
use
a
wood
shingle
that
could
fail?
You
know
the
modern
wood
signal
isn't
as
good
as
that.
It
was
pretty
impressive,
but
I,
don't
don't
have
the
Slate,
so
you
know
I,
that's
why
I'd
like
us
to
put
our
hands
on
the
Slate
and
having
a
slate
an
artificial
material
representing
slage
I
think
should
be
pretty
simple
and
what's
changed
over
time.
H
H
C
G
C
F
A
E
I
just
ordered
one
of
each
slate:
shake
and
and
Barrel
tile
sample
for
the
city
and
who
knows
when
they'll
arrive,
but
we'll
have
them
as
a
resource
in
the
office.