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Bloomington Historic Preservation Commission Documents:
https://bloomington.in.gov/boards/historic-preservation/meetings/2023
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Beth
rosenbarger
I'm,
the
assistant
director
of
the
planning
and
transportation
department.
Thank
you
for
inviting
me
to
talk
about
the
corridor
study
here.
The
this
is
the
collagen
Walnut
Corridor
study,
and
this
is
the
presentation
I
gave
to
city
council.
So,
if
you
all
want
me
to
be
briefer,
I
can
cut
stuff
out.
It
depends
on
how
much
okay
but
I
do
have
to
talk
about
the.
G
G
The
corridor
study
looks
at
college
and
walnut
from
the
bypass
on
the
Northern
end
to
Allen
Street
on
the
southern
end,
in
total,
that's
four
and
a
half
miles
of
Street
to
and
a
quarter
on,
each
Street
and,
along
that
stretch,
they're
about
150
motor
vehicle
crashes
a
year
for
that
length
of
road.
That
is
a
high
amount
and
for
those
many
vehicles
that
is
a
high
amount.
We
don't
want
to
see
in
our
community
that
many
crashes,
but
especially
we
don't
want
to
see
fatal
or
Serious
injury
crashes.
G
Road
design
is
a
thing
in
our
control
that
as
a
community
that
we
can
use
design
to
reduce
the
probability
of
severe
and
fatal
crashes
in
our
community.
This
image
is
the
global
daycare
center
and
on
Walnut
and
15th,
and
if
they
have
two
fences
and
in
between
the
fences
they
have
tractor
tires
I'm
meeting
with
them
about
why.
But
that
is
very
interesting.
We
know
now
there
is
a
traffic
signal
added,
but
this
stretch
of
Walnut.
This
is
looking
South
I.
Think
people
who
live
here
would
say
peep.
G
It
is
very
difficult
to
drive
the
speed
limit
there.
People
tend
to
go
really
quick
down
that
Hill.
We
want
to
improve
safety.
When
we
look
at
streets,
we
look
at
where
our
pedestrians
more
vulnerable,
and
that
is
where
they
have
to
interact
with
motor
vehicles
in
intersections
and
separation
along
streets.
This
Crossing
distance
for
well,
where
are
we
here?
11Th
and
college,
is
60
feet.
That's
a
very
large
Crossing
distance
for
a
pedestrian.
So
when
we
can
look
at
how
can
we
facilitate
motor
vehicle
traffic
and
reduce
the
probability
of
crashes
with
pedestrians?
G
That's
what
we
want
to
look
at
with
design
of
the
streets
along
the
stretch
you
actually
there's
actually
no
contiguous
sidewalk
on
any
of
the
four
sidewalk
bits
that
is
accessible.
This
is
a
section
on
North
Walnut
and
it
looks
like
sidewalk
and
our
this
picture.
It's
a
dirt
path
in
front
of
that
house,
so
it
is
an
inaccessible,
pedestrian,
Network
and
incomplete.
This
is
south
of
First
Street
on
College.
G
Another
thing:
if
you
think
about
Hopscotch,
coffee
and
living
in
Bryan
Park,
you
cannot
the
shortest
distance
between
the
neighborhood
and
Hopscotch
coffee
is
inaccessible,
also
on
foot
or
for
someone
in
wheelchair,
or
also
on
a
bicycle.
You
can't
go
this
way
at
all.
It's
pretty
interesting
from
the
pandemic.
We've
seen,
we
have
been
interested
in
using
public
space
a
little
bit
differently.
We
have
these
parklets
around
downtown,
and
this
is
an
opportunity.
G
Some
people
like
the
added
outdoor
seating,
some
people
do
not
like
the
added
outdoor
seating
and
mostly
what
we
hear
that
people
agree
on
is
the
orange
things
are
ugly,
so
you
might
like
the
seating.
That's
great
people
tend
to
agree
that
it's
ugly.
So
if
we
can
decide
as
a
community,
do
we
want
to
add
that
into
our
street
design
permanently?
Do
we
want
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
flexibly?
Add
it
into
our
street
design,
or
do
we
not
want
to
have
it?
G
G
The
corridor
study
is
two
and
a
half
mile
two
and
a
quarter
miles
on
each
Street
and
when,
when
we
say
Corridor
or
when
we
say
streets,
sometimes
people
don't
know
all
the
things
that
are
included
in
Street.
What
is
included
are
sidewalks,
Street,
trees,
motor
vehicle
facilities,
bicycle
and
scooter
facilities,
Transit
facilities,
outdoor
seating,
space,
outdoor
merchandising
space,
loading,
unloading
deliveries,
Etc,
that's
all
encompassed
when
we
talk
about
this
space,
so
we
want
to
talk
about
all
those
things
and
how
does
the
design
of
the
street
support
adjacent
land
uses?
G
G
We
will
look
at
existing
conditions
along
the
corridor
that
can
include
motor
vehicle
volumes.
Motor
vehicle
speeds
crashes.
We
have
a
street
tree
inventor
inventory
how
curb
space
is
used,
transit
routes,
sidewalk
facilities,
sidewalk
accessibility
and
bicycle
facilities.
So
that's
what
we
look
at
with
existing
conditions.
G
This
is
sort
of
the
layout
of
the
study
and
what
happens
next
analyze
existing
conditions.
We
adopted
goals
for
the
corridor
study
in
the
transportation
plan.
Those
are
part
of
it
there's
time
and
space
to
add
additional
Community
goals.
So
what
else
is
important
to
us
that
maybe
didn't
get
included
at
that
time?
Then,
from
there
develop
conceptual
designs,
conceptual
designs
are
basically
in
different
areas
along
the
corridor.
How
wide
would
the
sidewalk
be?
How
many
would
there
be
on-street
parking?
Do
we
have
a
bike
facility?
G
How
many
travel
Lanes
Etc
it's
mainly
physically
possible,
but
without
having
every
detail
of
the
design
done,
then
we
evaluate
the
conceptual
designs
using
our
community
goals
as
a
rubric
and
then
move
to
adopt
that
conceptual
design
into
the
transportation
plan.
There
is
a
do
nothing
option.
It
might
be
that
we
do
this
and,
as
a
community
decide
to
not
do
something
I
think
at
a
minimum
we
should
look
at
making
our
sidewalks
accessible,
so
that
would
be
a
possible
project.
G
G
Great
involvement
in
this
Corridor
study.
That's
a
QR
code.
If
you
want
to
pull
up
the
website,
you
can
sign
up
for
email
updates
on
the
project.
We
would
love
for
you
to
do
that.
We
would
love
your
help
in
telling
more
people
about
it.
This
is
still
very
early
in
the
study.
Oh
is
our
little
Zoom
thing
in
the
way,
though,
really
still
work.
B
G
Great
and
we
are
inviting
people
right
now
to
share
feedback
in
different
ways
or
right
now,
I
guess
it
would
be
it's
it's
more,
your
experiences
with
the
corridor.
So,
if
you
go
to
the
website,
you
can
sign
up
for
email
updates.
You
can
click
on
the
thing
that
says,
share
your
perspective
and
fill
out.
Some
of
that
you
want.
D
G
You
can
share
your
perspective
on
this
Google
form
you
can
sign
up
for
an
event
called
a
stroll
and
discuss
I'm,
going
to
tell
you
right
now:
I'm,
actually
adding
a
bunch
of
times
on
Saturday
June
3rd,
so
we're
going
to
do
back-to-back,
Dynamic
Saturday
of
walking
the
corridor
all
day.
So
if
you
check
it
right
now,
I'm
actually
the
two
tomorrow
aren't
going
to
happen
because
nobody
signed
up.
But
if
you
check
it
tomorrow
there
will
be
times
for
June
3rd.
G
G
G
So
public
meetings
in
June
are
on
Tuesday
June,
13th
6
to
7
30
p.m.
They
are
on
the
handout.
I
gave
you
all
too
and
I
can
hand
out
more
of
these
and
June
15th
from
6
to
7.
30.
they'll
both
be
here
at
City
Hall.
The
first
meeting
is
to
talk
about
existing
conditions,
what's
happening
with
the
space
Etc
or
like
people
experiences.
G
The
second
meeting
is
to
report
back,
so
the
Consultants
will
take
in
a
bunch
of
feedback
from
lots
of
people
and
then
come
up
with
some
preliminary
Concepts
to
share
and
for
us
to
use
as
a
springboard
moving
forward.
We
are
this
whole
thing
isn't
important,
but
what
matters
is
we're
at
the
beginning.
So
sometimes
people
are
like.
Why
didn't
we
know
I
want
you
to
know.
We
are
at
the
beginning
right
here.
G
G
I
should
share
this
whole
printout
with
the
commission
or
figure
out
a
way
to
do
it.
We
have
this
awesome
spear,
fellow
who
did
look
into
the
history
of
college
and
walnut
becoming
one-way
streets,
so
that
happened
in
1956
and
she
spent
a
lot
of
time
at
the
at
the
IU.
Oh
my
gosh,
what's
the
general
Library
called
well,
thank
you.
Oh
my
gosh
Wells
Library.
G
Doing
all
the
newspaper
on
microfiche
and
read
all
these
articles
and
it
was
like
a
pretty
interesting
political
drama,
honestly
and
I
guess
I
should
note
it's
not
that
it's
not
that
important
and
it's
we
don't
know
what
design
of
the
streets
we
want
to
end
up
with.
We
want
to
focus
on
what
outcomes
we
want
as
a
community
and
evaluate
the
designs.
According
to
those
outcomes,
it's
interesting
to
look
at
how
the
streets
became,
how
they
are
now
and
all
a
quick
summary
is
a
lame
duck.
G
G
According
to
her
research
in
the
Articles
at
the
time,
the
business
community
did
not
want
the
streets
to
change,
they
were
like
no
I,
don't
we
just
want
them
to
stay
the
way
they
are
eventually
the
state
got
involved
and
it
seems
Walnut
Street
was
a
state
road
at
the
time
and
the
state
said:
if
you
don't
make
your
streets
one
way,
we're
pulling
funding
and
we're
removing
all
the
on-street
parking
from
Walnut
or
something,
and
so
then
business
members
eventually
said.
Look.
G
This
is
important
for
us
to
keep
the
state
funding
and
this
other
stuff
we'll
support.
Please
do
this
and
then
Council
voted
sometime
in
like
mid
1956
and
I
said
okay
and
they
became
one-way
streets
and
I
mean
they
have
been
that
way
ever
since
or
that
section
of
Walnut
and
she
put
all
these
articles
together.
It
was
it's
just
it's
very
interesting
and.
G
C
G
Said
I
come
because
I
thought
you
all
would
be
very
interested.
I
think
I
think
I'm
interested
to
know
what
role
you
all
would
like
to
have.
We
want
more
people
to
participate
and
we
want
people
to
help
share
about
this
study
too.
So
the
streets
are
very
important
to
the
community.
These
are
the
gateway
to
Bloomington.
They
are
the
heart
of
downtown,
so
I
just
think
the
more
people
who
can
know
and
be
involved,
the
better
yeah.
F
F
G
Don't
have
it
off
hand,
but
it
will
be
part
of
the
existing
conditions.
I
know
I
mean
I
know
of
one
recently.
Oh
no,
there
were
two
fatal
crashes,
one
at
Kirkwood
and
walnut
within
the
last
few
years
and
one
at
Walnut
in
12th,
but
we
do.
That
is
part
of
the
vision.
Zero
goal
is
no
fatal
or
serious
entry,
so
we'll
have
more
info
on
that.
G
No
I
mean
we
consider
parking
a
part
of
the
study
and
a
facet
of
the
streets
as
well.
We
also
talk
about
considering
different
districts
along
I
mean
it's
since
because
of
the
length
you
know
like
there
is
no
on-street
parking
up
next
to
Miller
showers
park
in
that
section
and
there
and
then
from
17th
to
I,
don't
know
where
it
starts.
11Th,
there's
some
so
looking
at
the
different
districts
and
seeing
where
that
most
supports
adjacent
land
use,
and
maybe
where
it
doesn't
as
much
I
mean
it
also
stops.
G
C
G
Both
we
I
do
a
lot
of
it,
as
in
our
consultant.
Firm
is
tool,
Design
Group,
and
they
will
lead
the
public
meetings
in
June
and
I,
say
they
do
more
of
the
deep
analysis
that
is
really
helpful
so
looking
into
the
crash
data
and
which
ones
are
fatal,
which
ones
are
serious
injury
where
we
see
repeat
crash
locations,
a
lot
kind
of
more
of
that
data,
analysis
and
I
would
say
we
do
a
lot
of
the
engagement,
and
this
part.
J
J
Think
bringing
into
this
commission
is
great
and
we
might
even
think
about
having
some
presentation
about
this
history
because
I
don't
since
we're
all,
we
all
have
different
backgrounds.
It
wouldn't
we
don't
necessarily
know
this
history
or
everybody
doesn't
know
this
history
and
the
other
thing
I
know
everything's
serious
with
these
kinds
of
studies,
but
there's
a
guy
on
there's
a
Ted's
office.
That's
really
great
a
lot
of
fun,
the
guys
from
Texas.
J
His
name
is
Jason
Roberts
that
you
may
be
familiar
with
them
and
it's
called
a
better
block
and
I
can
send
you
the
link,
but
it's
really
hysterical.
It's
really
funny
the
way
he
approaches
it
and
it's
a
lot
in
a
in
a
way.
It's
a
lot
more
approachable
than
the
the
sort
of
dry
elements
that
usually
okay,
because
it's
kind
of
study
and
a
lot
of
the
things
that
you
were
talking
about.
They
address
here
in
a
very
alcoholic
way.
It
was
just
the
Alchemist
are
great
and
it
was
it.
J
K
L
M
G
K
K
G
N
G
A
A
D
D
A
A
A
A
C
F
I
M
C
A
D
F
L
C
C
A
F
A
A
F
D
D
D
D
We
have
had
attendance
issues
in
the
past
and
I.
Don't
think
that
it's
fair
when
we
have
nine
Commissioners
and
we
only
need
a
quorum
which
is
five
to
be
here
and
present
for
hybrid,
but
we
consistently
see
physically
the
same
people
and
consistently
you
do
not
see
some
people
at
all
and
there's
no
reason
not
to
meet
in
person
any
longer.
We
sometimes
actually
look
at
things
that
you
might
want
to
feel
or
touch
before,
considering
it
that
roofing
material
would
be
a
good
case
in
point.
D
So
I
just
wanted
to
open
up
that
discussion.
I
know,
I've
talked
about
it
or
I
guess
crumbled
about
it
in
the
past
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
motion
on
the
table
that
we
eliminate
the
hybrid
now
for
the
public.
I'd
love
for
public
to
be
able
to
join
hybrid,
but
in
order
to
have
a
quorum
and
in
order
for
folks
to
participate,
I
want
Commissioners,
not
advisory
members
either,
but
Commissioners
voting
Commissioners
to
be
here
in
person.
Okay,.
D
A
D
A
D
A
M
Think
thinking
back
through
this
I
have
seen
I
believe
every
commissioner
at
this
point
Come
to
an
in-person
meeting
which
suggests
to
me
I'm,
just
exploring.
Is
there
anybody
who
feels
they
have
a
health
condition
that
they're
still
legitimately
worried
about
that
and
I
I'm
thinking
Gloria?
Do
you
remember
I
think
we
have
at
least
seen
every
voting,
commissioner
in
person
at
least
once
we.
D
M
Elizabeth
and
we've
seen
Marlene
here
and
we've
seen
you
here
so
to
me,
I
think
then
that
that's
entirely
reasonable,
because
I
have
also
felt
like
you
in
your
position,
where
I
knew
we
barely
had
five
in
person.
One
was
me
and
oh
man,
you
know
I
I
had
a
terrible
conflict
and
that
was
hard
to
juggle
because
of
because
I
knew,
if
I
didn't
make
it.
That
was
it
for
the
petitioners
you
know,
and
so
so
I
I'm,
honestly
in
favor
of
it
I'd
happily
live
with
that.
K
F
P
F
O
F
Just
as
a
reminder,
we
are
tied
to
and
I
think
Colleen
you
might
be
able
to
help
clarify
any
thoughts,
but
we
are
trying
to
State
Statute.
So
these
are
not
thing.
These
are
not
policies
coming
from
Bloomington
they're
coming
from
way
above
us
so
and
the
other
thing
is
currently
Commissioners
who
are
on
just
for
a
little
bit
more
context
in
case
there
are
any
doubts
or
questions
later.
F
C
F
So
so
Commissioners
who
are
online
can
be
online
twice
in
a
row
for
an
emergency.
The
idea
of
the
state
is
really
closer
to
what
Alice
and
you're
envisioning
of
where
a
quorum
can
only
be
had
in
person,
and
the
online
system
is
basically
sort
of
an
emergency
valve
for
when
a
commissioner,
you
know
for
extraordinary
circumstances,
it
should
never
be
used
as
day-to-day
or
normal
mechanism
for
voting.
Commission
members.
A
A
F
If
a
commissioner
does
not
show
at
all
for
I,
yes,
I
believe
Allison
you're,
correct,
that's
three
meetings
or
more:
they
can
be
removed.
This
I
think
was
at
the
common
Council
level.
But
yes,
this
is
a
and
being
a
commissioner
is
a
huge
responsibility,
whether
you
are
voting
a
voting
member
or
whether
you
are
advisory
member,
your
words
and
your
presence
has
a
profound
impact
on
the
landscape
and
on
the
lives
of
the
people
around
you.
So
it's
it.
Although
this
is
something
that
you
are
donating,
your
time.
K
D
I
C
Q
Kidding
go
ahead,
the
only
thing
I
was
going
to
say
is
I'm
I'm
not
really
opposed
to
it
either.
I
just
didn't
know
some
days.
It
feels
like
this
room
gets
a
little
cramped
when
we
get
a
lot
more
people
and
I
have
no
idea
on
rooms
Gloria
if
there's
bigger
rooms
here,
if
we
have
all
our
commissioner,
it's
just
a
Chambers
okay,
it.
E
I
Q
C
D
P
J
Okay,
so,
first
of
all,
I,
don't
think
that
the
pandemic
groups,
the
pandemic,
is
over
I,
don't
think
the
spirit
of
comet
is
over
there.
There
are
like
108,
000
people
dying
every
year
from
this
still
so,
and
you
know,
the
government
is
just
offered
another
round
of
vaccinations
for
people
who
are
65
and
over
so
I
think
there
is
some
some
sort
of
poly
and
thinking
that
it's
completely
over
so
and
and
on
the
other
hand,
I
think.
J
You
know
it
was
it
was
and
when
I
was
given
or
appointed
you
know
it
was
100
hybrid.
There
was
nothing
else,
so
you
know,
and
I
also
you
know,
have
had
a
couple
of
health
issues
recently
that
make
it
impossible
for
me
to
go
there.
But
you
know
it's
like
just
bizarre
things
that
happened
in
the
last
month,
but
anyways
so
I.
You
know
I
think
that
I
think
in
a
way.
It's
very
you
know
the
way
it's
retrograde
to
move
it
to
to
know
absolutely.
A
A
J
J
D
Not
arguing
with
you
I'm
making
my
own
personal
comment,
we're
not
going
to
do
that.
Thank
you.
My
comment,
which
is
not
an
argument,
is
that
it
is
not
this
commission's
fault
that
the
hybrid
meetings
is
not
working.
It's
an
issue
of
state
law
that
we
have
to
work
within
and
that's
what
I
would
like
this?
J
E
E
Secondly,
I
think
a
lot
of
this
is
covered
by
State
Statute.
It's
we
just
need
to
adhere
to
State
Statute
I.
Think
having
the
hybrid
meetings
as
a
safety
valve
is
not
a
bad
thing.
It's
already
regulated
by
state
law.
I
think
the
more
important
thing
that
this
agenda
item
brings
up
for
me
is
commissioner
attendance
in
general
I
think
there
are
Commissioners.
I
just
did
a
tally
of
when
it
was
brought
up
for
the
year.
Previous
and
I
haven't
updated
it
and
it's.
E
You
know,
we've
been
waiting
to
talk
about
this,
probably
six,
eight
months
now
so
I
don't
have
all
the
data,
but
there
are
maybe
three
Commissioners
who
are
here
most
all
the
time.
John
is
here
like
every
single
time
he's
the
only
one
with
perfect
attendance
and
Elizabeth
is
a
close
second,
but
we
have
at
least
two
voting
Commissioners
who
would
be
out
based
on
just
that
last
year,
and
we
have
a
majority
who
are
barely
here.
E
Half
the
time,
so
I
would
say
you
know
if,
if
you
want
to
look
at
the
attendance
records-
and
you
can't
make
it
on
Thursdays,
maybe
consider
being
an
advisory
member
or
consider
stepping
down
from
the
commission
such
that
people
who
have
the
space
in
their
lives
to
do
this,
can
do
this.
It's
a
service
to
the
community.
It
takes
a
lot
of
work.
It
takes
a
lot
of
dedication
and
we're
wasting
a
lot
of
people's
time
and
people
have
other
things
to
do.
They
wouldn't
be.
A
A
F
M
Q
B
B
C
A
A
F
Okay,
let
me
sorry
organize
my
picture,
so
staff
reviews,
starting
with
COA
23-30,
is
the
petitioner
Veronica
barodiner
at
909.
East
University
Street
requested
the
removal
of
five
trees
on
her
property
for
different
reasons,
so
the
staff
approved
the
removal
of
four
trees
that
were
located
within
the
property.
Yes,
these
were
causing
damage
to
defense
and
the
retention
wall.
F
However,
staff
did
not
approve
the
removal
of
a
walnut
tree
as
it
was
located
on
the
alleyway,
which
is
public
land
and
therefore
not
within
her
right
to
remove
and
instead
directed
the
petitioner
to
the
City
Arborist
in
order
to
fill
out
their
form
Terry
I'm,
going
to
scroll
very
quickly.
So
don't
oh
wait.
No
I
just
have
to
click
on
this.
Okay
and
COA
23-33
addresses
613
West
4th
Street,
the
petitioner
Sandra
Washburn
was
requesting
the
replacement
of
10
Windows
I.
Have
the
neighborhood
comments?
F
I
actually
sent
this
to
the
neighborhood
Sandy.
As
you
may
already
know,
your
request
hits
two
areas
covered
in
our
greater
Prospect,
Hill
Design
guidelines,
removal
of
original
materials
and
changing
to
the
public
way
facades.
Just
as
if
I
remember
reminder,
design,
Review
Committee
approval
is
now
technically
needed,
which
is
can
be
handled
by
staff.
However,
members
of
the
committee
can
choose
to
support,
not
support,
abstain,
Etc
and
speaking
only
for
them
for
myself.
C
F
F
F
But,
however,
the
windows
that
comply
with
the
fenestration
size,
material
and
shape
the
neighborhood
subcommittee
was
not
opposed
and
the
property
owner
used
the
same
window
template
design
as
the
next
door
neighbors,
which
had
been
approved
by
the
HPC
so
I
want
to
like,
because
this
is
Windows,
they
use
the
pillar
architect
series
traditional
wood
double
hung
Windows,
which
had
been
approved
by
the
HPC
for
their
neighbors
at,
and
so
these
are
photos
of
the
property.
What
you
see
there
with
the
two
by
two
is
the
storm
window.
F
And
yes,
so
this
is
the
location
and
with
that
there
was
another
application
that
had
been
sent
for
the
greater
Prospect
Hill
historic
district
for
the
building
of
a
of
a
small
wall.
But
it
turns
out
that
after
reviewing
the
guidelines
and
talking
to
a
legal
in
the
neighborhood
that
it
didn't
even
need
to
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
due
to
the
nature
of
work
being
done
so
originally
I
was
going
to
have
three.
But
then
it
turns
out
that
it
was
two
and
with
that
I
leave
it
to
the
historic
preservation.
Commission.
F
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
give
a
very
quick
overview
of
this
case.
We've
already
been
looking
at
it
for
a
while,
but
as
a
refresher
to
the
Commissioners
and
to
Commissioners,
who
may
have
not
seen
this
case
before,
but
the
petitioners
are
proposing
an
Adu
behind
the
existing
structure
that
has
a
different
and
creative
uses
of
materials
for
ecological
reasons
and
using
tiny
space
principles
for
their
house
or
tiny
house
principles.
F
Staff
has
been
recommending
that
the
petitioner
work
with
the
HBC
to
find
a
creative
solution
and
right
now,
staff
is
going
to
leave
this
one
to
the
HPC.
Although
staff
feels
much
calmer
by
stuff,
I
mean
myself
feels
much
calmer
that
the
petitioner
has
been
working
actively
with
their
neighbors
with
the
neighborhood
association,
so
not
just
in
the
neighborhood
subcommittee,
their
actual
nearby
neighbors
with
the
HPC
and
had
they
have
been
listening
to
recommendations
and
actively
implementing
them.
F
However,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
the
hvc's
determination
whether
these
changes
constitute
enough
compliance
to
create
an
experimental
structure
within
a
historic
district.
So,
with
this
I'm
actually
going
to
hand
it
over
to
the
petitioner
so
that
they
can
give
a
short
presentation
of
the
more
recent
changes
based
on
a
series
of
meetings
and
site
visits
with
the
with
the
neighborhood
and
with
some
of
the
commission
members.
Thank
you.
Gloria.
E
R
Of
the
property
and
the
principal
designer
I
collaborated
with
him
on
the
design.
So
this
is
the
third
iteration.
Essentially
the
first
one
was
very
preliminary
just
to
even
just
introduce
you
to
the
idea.
The
second
one
was
last
meeting.
Well,
there
was
no
Quorum
and
in
between
that
last
meeting
and
the
current
meeting
we
have
had
plenty
of
time
to
actually
meet
with
the
neighbors
show
them
that
full
fleshed
out.
Second
iteration
and
now
we've
got
a
radically
changed
third
iteration,
and
so
what.
N
R
Quick
overview
of
the
project
and
then
showing
some
of
the
changes
we
specifically
made
from
the
second
iteration,
which
was
when
there
was
no
quorum
to
the
current
one.
We
were
going
to
go
through
I
believe
the
neighbors
will
have
a
chance
to
speak,
but
we
have
so
I've
got
two
quick
letters
from
the
neatly
adjacent
neighbors
both
strongly
supporting
these
were
sent
to
Gloria
and
staff
so
that
you
should
have
them
all
on
record.
R
O
Met
with
the
others
go
ahead,
I
smoked
all
all
well,
there's
five
contiguous
that
are
herb
budding
is
the
term
kind
of
like
to
learn
these
languages.
We
go
three
head.
Verbal
okay
is
with
it
two
letters:
one's
gonna
join
by
Zoom
to
give
their
part
the
other
tier
rentals
lots
of
Airbnb
rentals.
So
that
is
super
transient
and
rental.
B
R
R
If
you
want
to
see
the
previous
design,
you
know
feel
free,
but
I'm
presenting
the
new
design.
So
this
is
a
site
plan.
You
can
see
a
couple
things
worth
noting
to
the
east.
Is
the
historic
house
to
the
West?
Is
the
proposed
Adu
and
a
few
things
that
are
are
probably
worth
noting
are
as
the
topography?
R
So
as
you
walk
from
the
north
to
the
south
on
Fairview,
you
are
going
uphill
at
quite
a
drastic
elevation
and
similarly,
if
you
walk
down
the
alleyway
that
separates
the
north
site
from
our
site,
you
are
also
going
uphill.
So
if
you're
going
from
the
East
to
the
West,
so
there's
quite
a
bit
of
topographical
change,
we'll
address
that.
But
you
can
see
yes,
the
proposed
Adu
and
the
existing
the
historic
house.
Those
will
come
up
in
renderings
and
if
we
look
at
the
first,
oh.
F
R
R
Here's
here's
an
elevation
that
would
be
looking.
It's
an
East
Elevation,
we're
looking
to
the
west
from
the
back
porch
of
the
historic
structure.
This
is
nice
because
it
shows
the
three
principal
parts
of
the
80.
The
opposed
Adu
first,
which
Daniel
Plan
out
is
the
tiny
home.
So
this
is
a
new
tiny
home.
Danny
is
a
prolific
builder
of
tiny
homes,
so
he
had
two
to
pull
from
so.
R
Is
a
different
one,
we'll
talk
about
the
comparison
to
the
original,
so
there's
a
different,
tiny
home
that
he's
already
built.
It's
already
been
fabricated.
The
carbon
costs
have
already
been
sunk
to
the
north,
of
that
is
a
Cobb
structure
also
greatly
reduced
Cobb
being
a
a
fully
natural
Earthen
material
that
would
be
harvested
on
site
so
again,
low,
embodied
carbon
and
it's
sitting
atop
a
CMU,
but
it
will
be
stucco,
CMU
garage
which
is
built
into
the
that
topographical
change.
R
R
Elevation,
so
this
is,
if
you're
in
the
alleyway
walking
into
the
garage,
you
know
we've
added
some
steps
to
go
up
that
grade
into
the
backyard
and
then
the
steps
and
curve
around
the
structure
to
that
tiny
house.
Here
it
is
looking
from
the
property
to
the
West
we're
going
to
talk
about
how
ways
we
are
proposing
to
mitigate
that
elevation.
R
This
is
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
building
Heights,
but
this
is
a
quick
kind
of
cut
showing
the
facades
and
the
relative
Heights.
So
you
see
that
there
is
a
two
foot
grade
increase
and
you
also
see
that
the
proposed
Apu
is
indeed
11
inches
taller
than
the
existing
historic
structure.
We'll
talk
about,
why
we
think
that's
an
okay
sacrifice,
but
so
you've
got
a
two
foot
grade
change
and
an
11
inch
increase
over
the
existing
structure.
R
C
R
You
are
looking
directly
west
standing
in
the
backyard
here.
You
are
in
the
alleyway.
I
will
say
that
in
almost
all
the
renders
we've
done
them
to
human
height.
This
one
got
away
from
us:
you'd
be
floating
a
few
feet
off
the
ground
for
this
view,
but
they
hope
the
rest
should
be
at
human
height
on
that
elevation,
and
then
here
is
from
the
West
looking
to
the
east
and
then
most
importantly,
showing
in
conjunction
with
the
neighboring
houses
and
the
historic
house.
If
you're
standing
on
Fairview,
you
don't
see
it.
R
R
O
R
Think
it
makes
sense
to
work
with
that,
rather
than
try
to
superimpose
one
style
that
doesn't
actually
exist
or
dominate
the
neighborhood
and
then,
of
course,
we're
trying
to
increase
density
and
living
space
within
walkable
distance
to
downtown.
We
are
reusing
materials
that
have
already
been
built
into
a
structure
with
the
tiny
homes
and
we
are
using
on-site
materials
that
are
fully
natural.
No
toxins
can
be
perfectly
recyclable
on
the
cob.
R
However,
they
did
raise
some
issues
that
we
wanted
to
specifically
address
from
the
second
iteration
to
this
new
third
iteration,
so
I'm
going
to
quickly
go
through
and
say
what
we
changed
to
meet,
neighborhood
concerns
and
questions,
and
so
those
the
the
questions
that
were
not
formally
submitted
involve.
They
wanted
to
know
the
footprint
comparison.
This.
R
Meeting
they
want
to
know
the
flipper
comparison
and
they
wanted
some
more
fenestration,
some
more
visual
interest
to
the
West
and
then
in
the
official
critique
which
I
believe
we
all
have
access
to
they.
They
wanted
to
know
about
the
visibility
of
that
Foundation
height,
we're
going
to
talk
about
what
we're
doing
to
deal
with
that.
The
fenestration
pattern
and
the
overall
Building
height.
R
Terms
address
those
one-on-one,
so
here
they
are
in
that
official
document,
Foundation
height
penetration
patterns
and
Building
height
really
quickly.
So
this
is
just
a
simple
block
of
like
if
this
is.
This
is
what
it
looks
like
if
you're
looking
to
head
on
to
the
old,
tiny
house
in
the
new
tiny
house,
so
we've
dropped
it
over
a
foot,
a
foot
and
a
half.
C
R
The
the
old
tiny
house
we
proposed
was
12
feet,
the
new
tiny
house
in
height,
that's
10.5,
that's
an
East
Elevation
and
then
the
carbon
basement,
the
the
two-story
structure.
We've
dropped.
It
almost
three
feet
in
fact
just
over
three
feet,
so
we're
going
to
be
Cobb
on
top
basement
stucco
basement
on
bottom.
So
so.
R
C
R
R
Historic
preservation
is,
you
know
we
want
to
respect
the
old
house,
but
you
know
Marines.
You
know
now
on
Modern
ships,
don't
you
know
it's
not
the
same.
If
you're
a
marine
and
a
modern
ship,
you
expect
ceilings
taller
than
the
five
feet
they
used
to
be
in
the
British
Navy
during
Napoleon's
time
we
kind
of
like
more
space
in
our
ceilings
and
we're
trying
to
make
dignified
buildings
for
people
to
live
in
right.
R
We
don't
want
it
to
be
cramped,
so
we
think
a
little
bit
of
extra
head
hype
is
worth
the
11
inches
that
we
come
in
over
the
existing
structure
and
again,
as
you
can
see
in
the
foundations,
there
is
a
two
foot
grade
change,
which
also
adds
to
that
change
in
height
and
then
the
footprint
really
quickly
again.
This
is
the
actual
site
plan
and
then
an
overlay,
so
the
Adu
footprint
versus
the
historic
house
footprint
and
then
we
fit
the
AV
footprint
inside
the
historic
house.
R
O
Yeah,
the
height
Administration
stuff
I,
was
like
when
we
met
as
a
group.
I
was
trying
to
like
game
through
how
to
get
down,
and
we
were
talking
about
cutting
blocks
off
and
like
pulling
the
tiny
house
inside
them
and
like
setting
on
Ledger
boards
like
a
lot
of
kind
of
expensive,
difficult
things
and
then
I
realized
that,
like
my
other
tiny
house,
is
already
it's
actually
shorter
than
that.
O
N
O
O
Yeah
there's
a
lot
of
horizontal
breaks
and
there's
these
kind
of
like
different
pinstrations
across
I,
think
I,
think
I've
lost
count
at
seven
or
eight
different
styles
of
window,
and
then
the
doors
are
also
the
same
way.
Four
different
types
of
light
doors,
three
of
them
actually
closer
or
two
of
them
closer
to
what
the
snail
design
is,
which
is
like
the
bar
window,
up
bar
to
the
side.
O
O
And
the
exposed
Foundation,
so
the
first
move
I
did
to
kind
of
start
fixing.
This
is
I
pulled
the
staircase
across
and
like
laid
it
down
to
the
the
sides.
We
covered
more
of
the
block
there
and
then
I
proposed
that
just
Greening.
That
wall,
which
is
what
I
have
on
the
front
of
my
house,
already
I,
did
that
with
antique
bar
into
the
block
and
then
did
all
like
the
ceiling
and
so
forth.
But
I
grew
a
native
Prairie
Rose,
that's
actually
the
only
native
climbing
rose.
O
So
if
you
all
want
like
native
flowers,
I've
got
a
lot
of
cuttings
that
are
ready
and
they're
very
hard
to
find.
But
then
this
is
something
I
talked
to
the
neighbors
too.
Whenever
we
just,
we
kind
of
just
stayed
on
Heights
really
and
windows,
Thomas,
interesting
windows
and
then
Tom
and
Lucy.
We
were
talking
more
about
height,
but.
O
O
O
N
O
R
So
that's
the
basic
presentation:
again,
all
the
languages
there
in
the
packet
playing
more
pictures
and
from
around
the
neighborhood
around
Bloomington
and
of
the
house,
or
having
to
entertain
any
questions
and-
and
we
actually
and
again
the
neighbors
were
super
helpful
in
going
from
the
previous
design
which,
which
we
really
liked.
But
we're
happier
to
have
some
of
the
neighbors
are
on
board
with
and
I'm
sure
they
can
speak
to
what
they
are
and
are
not
with
the
current
design.
So
we'll
show
them
all.
O
H
F
F
The
Secretary
of
the
Interior
guidelines
and
the
neighborhood
guidelines
provide
a
guide
of
best
best
practices,
but
another
way
to
look
at
things
is
always
take
into
consideration
and
give
a
lot
of
weight
to
the
best
practices.
But
at
least
something
that
I've
learned
and
have
always
implemented
is
that
every
single
case
is
unique.
Every
single
building
every
single
lot
has
its
own
story,
has
its
own
development
and
adds
to
the
history
of
the
space.
F
So
in
a
sense
you
have
to
weigh
whether
the
the
pros
and
the
cons
how
much
is
actually
respecting
the
guidelines
in
terms
of
location,
for
example,
it's
not
very
visible
from
the
road.
It
is
visible
from
a
right
of
way,
but
not
the
main
right-of-way
just
take
into
consideration
every
single
Factor
line
them
up
and
what
are
the
pros?
What
are
the
cons?
F
There
are
a
lot
of
precedents
in
the
United
States
in
different
regions
of
historic
districts
having
things
that
break
with
the
norm,
but
not
but
being
exceptions
that
sort
of
the
the
exception
that
proves
the
rule,
rather
than
being
the
exception
that
creates
sort
of
the
Spiral
yeah.
The
you
know
that
that
spirals
out
of
control,
so
those
are
things
to
take
into
consideration.
F
You
can
also
make
recommendations
about
materials
and
about
additional
changes
that
could
bring
it
more
into
a
space
of
so
right
now.
This
has
been
a
process
of
negotiation.
So
far
up
to
this
point,
you
have
the
option
to
add
additional
recommendations
in
terms
of
scale
for
materiality
and
say
this
is
the
COA
we
will
approve
if
it's
under
these
these
restrictions.
F
You
can
also
say
you
know
what
this
is
a
very
strange,
different
quirky,
but
there
is
something
to
the
spirit
of
the
neighborhood,
and
this
is
the
exception
that
proves
the
rule
and
not
the
first
of
a
hundred
Gary
like
adus.
Then
you
also
have
the
option
to
just
say
no,
just
no.
So
there
are
different
ranges.
F
The
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
recommends
and
prefers
that
things
be
more
stable
and
that
they
work
in
tandem
with
the
community,
but
there
are
exceptions
to
that
throughout
the
United
States
in
different
historic
districts,
and
these
are
very
a
very
Case
by
case
type
thing.
I
hope
that
helps.
H
K
O
I
I
Like
this
not
bricks
like
like
what
you're
proposing
right,
I,
I've,
I
I,
know
the
type
of
Fitness
I've
I've,
seen
it
before
right
in
my
home
country.
They
do
it
a
lot,
but
I've
not
seen
it
on
anywhere
on
on
on
the
west
side
of
Bloomington
in
in
any
kind
of
structure,
can
you
direct
me
to
any
structure
on
the
west
side.
I
P
Okay,
can
you
hear
me
yes,
okay,
great,
if
you
want
to
turn
the
video
on
you
can
I'm?
Okay,
with
that
too
yeah,
so
I've
lived
in
my
house
927
for
three
years
now
and
Dan's
been
a
great
neighbor
I've,
seen
his
work
with
Taryn
robotics,
either
or
in
studio
space
or
at
the
Mill,
when
they
had
the
big
drone
show
and
I've
just
been
so
impressed
about
what
he's
done
and
the
interior
of
the
house
as
well.
P
P
Think
it's
going
to
be
a
great
addition
to
the
neighborhood
and
what's
your
question
about
Cobb
being
a
new
material
that
seems
kind
of
weird
to
me
since
it's
been
used
for
a
long
long
time,
and
maybe
some
of
these
houses
have
it
where
we
can't
see
it
and
I'm
all
for
whatever
is
sustainable
and
whatever
is
reusable
and
I.
Think
Danny
does
a
great
job
doing
that
kind
of
stuff
and
I
can't
wait
to
see
the
finished
product
and
I
hope
you
Grant
this,
whatever,
whatever
the
language
is
I.
J
A
A
Q
T
T
T
The
materials
weren't
redesired,
redefined
I,
feel
like
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
design
of
a
funky
little
back
house,
but
we're
not
talking
about
how
it
responds
to
the
guidelines
in
terms
of
the
review
here.
So
it's
like
yeah
cool.com
doing
all
these
other
things,
but
we
our
purview,
is
to
actually
respond
to
the
guidelines
to
design
how
it
responds
to
the
guidelines.
So
what
we
had
written
up
was.
N
T
S
T
T
I,
didn't
we
didn't
feel
that
maybe
there
was
as
much
effort
made
as
we
had
hoped
to
respond
to
the
recommendations
set
forth
in
the
guideline
guidelines
before
or
after
the
the
the
walk
through
the
height
was
adjusted,
but
now
I'm
understanding
that
also
the
tiny
house
was
adjusted.
I
did
not
because
again
I'm,
not
an
architect
but
seeing
it
on
there
I
just
looked
like
there
were
some
I
didn't
know.
It
was
a
completely
different
structure
and
I
didn't
have
those
photos
of
it.
B
T
Resolution
with
the
city,
but
that's
not
something
that's
in
our
purview
to
address.
That
is
something
that
has
come
up
over
and
over
again,
as
this
has
just
been
kind
of
a
loop-de-loop
process,
and
we
have
it
built.
What
can
we
do
now,
but
it
seems
like
that
is
being
put
back
on
us
to
just
take
when
we
have
guidelines
in
place
when
you
purchased
and
started
to
build
this.
T
So
we
are
unable
to
submit
a
favorable
review
at
this
time
of
this
property,
because
our
current
guidelines
do
not
permit
it
and
the
secretary's
standards
either.
So
approval
would
represent
in
the
most
important
piece
for
us,
a
precedent,
that's
incongruent
with
our
guidelines
and
would
affect
the
standards
of
future
design
review,
and
that
is
this
is
the
first
one
and
we're
gonna
just
kind
of
just
kind
of
really
throw
them
all
out,
and
just
say
that
this
is
is
what
it
is
and
we
shouldn't
kind
of
look
at
the
guidelines.
T
T
This
looks
a
lot
like
the
entry
from
the
the
alleyway.
It's
on
clearly
not
Inc,
responding
to
the
guidelines
there
and
at
the
time
the
window
patterning
was
very
much
similar
to
this.
This
dump
on
here.
This
is
what
we
this
is
where
our
community
Drew
up
together
over
the
course
of
a
year,
it's
what
we're
incumbent
to
respond
to
and
I
like
Danny
I,
like
you,
seem
like
a
really
nice
guy.
T
A
T
Well,
and
as
our
we
did
a
walk
through
and
it
was,
it
was
very
interesting,
but
one
thing
I
did
notice
was
it
was
not
a
benign
right-of-way,
the
the
alley
we
met
all
the
neighbors
at
a
random
time.
When
we
were
there
during
the
middle
of
the
day,
they
were
all
there,
and
so
it
is
important
that
it
it
reflects
of
this
tight
neighborhood
that
is
bound
together
by
Ally's.
N
N
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
express
my
enthusiastic
support
for
the
project.
I
do
think
if
it's
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
I
would
say
that
my
experience
of
the
long
series
of
neighbor
Association
meetings
that
we
had
around
the
escalation
of
the
Conservation
District
to
the
store
District,
the
overwhelming
character.
Those
discussions
had
to
do
with
coping
with
the
captain.
Neighborhood
was
forced
to
do
that
escalation,
State
Statute,
and
that
when
the
pursuit
of
writing
these
guidelines,
it
was
to
ensure
flexibility
within
that
historic
district.
N
Given
how
many
people
would
have
really
preferred
seeing
neighborhoods
further
Conservation
District,
but
were
uneasy
with
the
escalation
of
the
Storage
District.
So
I
do
think
that
Spirit
of
flexibility
and
trying
to
honor,
you
know
the
what
is
historic
about
the
district.
But
you
know
I've
dealt
in
my
home
in
Maple
Heights,
with
a
lot
of
these
same
eccentric
issues.
E
O
Are
you
thinking
about
doing
the
roof
will
be
TPO
so
white
and
we're
starting
novel
on
the
other
one?
Okay,
gotcha
and
I
did
forgot
to
put
in
the
you
guys
ask
where
this
goes.
The
heating
and
cooling
system
went
to
the
South
to
at
the
narrow
part
of
the
tiny
home
and
water
comes
on
the
North
sewer
out
on
the
sorry
water
on
South
North.
You
need
to
get
past
yeah
and
then
what
about
the
material
outside
closed?
Probably
just
painted.
C
D
E
C
S
S
O
O
O
A
J
J
C
J
The
slope
is
too,
the
slope
is
too
too
too
shallow
for
it
to
be
or
a
picture
of,
but
so
at
the
question.
So
then
the
question:
that's
those
are
two
questions.
The
other
question
I
had
was
that
the
absolute
type
from
the
the
location
of
the
new
building
from
its
site,
elevations,
the
top
of
the
roof,
meets
the
standards.
J
Approximately
two
feet:
that's
that's,
actually
not
the
question
either
because
usually
take
the
elevation
for
to
compare
with
the
rules
and
regulations
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
them
from
the
the
average
slope
of
the
place
where
the
building
is
so
this
your
bill,
your
new
building
is
in
a
sloped
area,
so
it
usually
cuts
a
difference
and
then
take
the
height
from
there.
So
at
that
point
it
has
to
be
below
the
absolute
height
Allowed
by
the
is
that.
O
J
J
R
C
C
R
Okay,
we're
all
in
line
with
UDF
and
and
to
your
point
on
the
flat
roofs
quite
right.
In
fact,
we
saw
that
the
neighborhood
guidelines
had
a
specification
for
no
flat
roofs
And.
Yet
when
we
look
at
the
house
that
we
are
responding
to,
we
see
two
flat
roofs
as
you
walk
around.
They
are
such
a
slope
that
they
appear
to
be
so
so,
while
those
guidelines
might
be
serviceable
to
the
majority.
O
R
The
yeah,
the
majority
of
the
houses
in
the
neighborhood,
the
one
that
we
have
been
tasked
to
respond
to.
We
we
felt
it.
We
felt
that
we
we
had
to
respond
to
those
flat
roofs
with
a
similar
flat
roof,
and
so
we
we
weren't,
trying
to
be
willy-nilly
in
ignoring
the
guidelines.
It's
just
our
house
was
different
than
so
many
other
places.
J
The
next
question
is,
if
you
look
at
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards,
that's
mostly
designed
to
comment
about
a
particular
building
and
the
building
and
the
building,
as
it
sits
in
time
and
within
itself.
Where
is
the
neighborhood
guidelines
respond
to
a
neighborhood?
So
in
order
for
you
to
meet
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards,
you
have
to
respond
to
your
building,
and
so
these
two
things
themselves
are
not
necessarily
copacetic.
C
H
R
We
thought
we,
we
tried
exactly
that's
exactly
how
we
felt
that
there
are
these
mutually
exclusive
goals
that
we
had
to
accommodate
and
we
tried
to
both
respond
overall
to
the
neighborhood.
In
terms
of
you
know,
kind
of
a
mismatch
of
roof
lines
or
kind
of
intersecting
roof
lines.
We
went
around
the
town,
you'll
see
it
in
your
packet,
but
then
and
then
the
materiality
specifically
related
to
the
five
materials
that
exist
on
the
exterior
of
the
historic
house.
R
We
tried
to
play
them
specifically
to
the
house
we
built
and
and
what
roof
lines
that
are
interact
with
what
we
pulled
from
the
direct
house.
So
we
tried
to
pull
from
both
the
neighborhood
and
the
specific
house
and
split
the
difference
and
much
like
our
compromise,
like
any
compromise
in
certain
areas,
one
kind
of
played
more
heavily
in
other
areas
of
the
design,
the
other
so.
J
R
T
You
have
another
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
say
on
our
walk
around
whatever
it
looks
like
on
the
paper.
It's
certainly
not
a
flat
roof
house.
You
definitely
get
a
perception
of
of
a
grade
to
the
the
roof
and
then
it
cuts
down
in
several
different
little
editions
and
side
areas.
That
is
one
thing
we
did
discuss.
T
B
A
H
D
D
H
H
Maybe
I
do
all
right.
Chris,
yeah
I
think
it's
truthful
that
the
design
guidelines
never
conceived
of
anything
like
this.
It
would
be
wonderful
in
maybe
in
another
situation
as
far
as
being
compatible,
I
I
see
it
as
largely
incompatible,
but
maybe
there
are
ways
to
justify
doing
this
and
that's
not
my
department.
M
N
M
To
to
talk
with
the
community
to
make
adjustments
to
to
listen
and
yeah,
this
is
one
of
the
tougher
calls
that
that
I've
seen
I'm
impressed
with
the
efforts
to
to
adjust
I'm
impressed
with
the
efforts
to
be
open
to
changes,
and
so
that
that
counts
for
a
lot.
For
me,
I
think
you
know
My
overall
feeling
where,
where
I
am
Landing
is
that
this
is
this
is
This
falls
into
eclectic
enough
to
meet
the
general
overall
sort
of
diversity
of
the
neighborhood
I
totally
agree.
M
This
one
is
is
there's
a
lot
of
guidelines
that
it's
not
falling
under,
but
there
are
other
guidelines
that
is
falling
under
and
I
usually
weigh
heavily
the
view
from
the
street
I
understand
what
you're
saying
about
the
alley
and
the
alley
being
important,
but
I
have
generally
waited
things
in
terms
of
how
is
this
going
to
affect
the
street
view?
In
many
other
cases,
I
tend
to
just
sort
of
say:
if
it's
not
really
disrupting
the
street
view,
I'm
not
too
terribly
perturbed
I
liked.
M
All
of
the
the
you
guys
did
a
really
careful
job,
there's
a
one
little
spot
where
you
catch
a
corner
of
it.
So
honestly,
I
I,
it's
tough
but
I
I
can
support
this.
As
you
know,
fitting
enough
of
the
guidelines
and
fitting
The
Eclectic
neighborhood
that
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
something
that's
the
end
of
the
Integrity
of
the
neighborhood
in
any
way,
shape
or
form,
and
that's
what
makes
me
comfortable,
but
certainly
other
other
reasonable.
Smart
people
can
disagree.
That's
true
foreign.
K
My
first
reaction,
when
I
saw
it
first,
was
the
scale
of
the
project
and
I
see
that
you
guys
work
hard
on
trying
to
minimize
the
the
size,
the
height
of
it.
That's
why
I
address
the
question
about
the
height
and
yes
recognize
that
the
existing
house
was
designed
very
shallow.
So
it's
hard
to
fight
that
right.
I
mean
it's
very
shallow.
You
can't
make
your
new
building
shall
try
to
fight
that
shallow
right.
So
I
do
like
the
idea
of
incorporating
natural
features
as
some
kind
of
vines.
K
K
So
you
guys
are
improving
on
that
and
everything
is
it
just
calls
for
that
so
I
we
have
to
remember.
It
is
an
Adu,
it's
promoting
other
great
ideas.
You
know
we're
talking
about
affordable
housing
and
many
different
factors
too.
So
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
project.
In
my
mind,
that's
all
I
have
to
say
Daniel.
Q
I
think
it's
a
unique
project.
I
think
it's
come
a
long
way
since
the
first
one
I
thought
it's
very
interesting
to
hear
from
the
members
of
the
neighborhood
commission
that
that
definitely
cast
a
whole
new
light
on
things.
For
me,
yeah,
it's
one
of
those
I.
It's
right
on
that
edge.
I
can
kind
of
go
either
way
depending
on
hearing
what
some
of
the
other
Commissioners
have
said,
and
we've
got
good
points
and
so
I'm
yeah
still
kind
of
weighing
things
out.
C
I
I
I
The
spirit
of
a
historic
designation
is
intended
to
bind
that
neighborhood
together
right.
You
know,
the
comment
was
made
that
it
had
more
features
than
none.
You
know
it's
like
saying
in
a
room
full
of
dogs
I
could
throw
in
a
giraffe
because
they
have
four
legs
fur
and
discount
the
fact
that
one
doesn't
bark
or
eat
meat,
because
you
know
those
are
those
two
things
that
are
different,
but
they
have
more
things
in
common.
No
one
would
agree
that
a
giraffe
belongs
in
the
same
box
with
it.
I
You
know
with
a
German
shepherd
and
a
Rottweiler
it
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
happen
right.
We've
we've
seen
the
presentation
from
the
persons
from
the
design
committee
who
went
through
in
great
detail
to
explain
why
this
how
this
structure
does
not
fit
right
it
we
we've,
we've
seen
it
and
I
I'm
I,
like
the
building,
I
really
do,
but
I
don't
think
it
fits
in
this
neighborhood
I
haven't
heard
one
thing
that
says
it
fits
in
this
neighborhood
I
walk
these
streets.
No,
that
sounds
bad.
I
I
I
You
know
it's
it's
it's
elevated,
which
means
that
you
know
you
can
probably
see
over
the
tops
of
other
buildings
that
are,
you
know
it's
I
I
I
I
cannot
if
I
am
to
be
I'm
I'm
trying
to
you
know,
even
if
I
look
at
it
slanted,
you
know
dim
the
lights.
You
know
try
to
give
my
most
liberal
interpretation
of
the
the
guidelines.
I
still
can't
see
how
this
this
building
fits.
I
I
So
how
do
we
justify
that
by
saying
it's
eclectic?
Well,
you
could
have
made
it
with
glass
or
bamboo
or
thatch.
That
would
also
be
eclectic,
but
we'd
all
agree
that
that
would
not
be
appropriate
right.
I
hear
sustainability
coming
up
and
I'm
a
champion
for
sustainability,
but
there
are
also
ways
of
finding
sustainable
materials
that
fit.
I
You
know
more
easily
within
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
You
could
have
reclaimed
wood
siding.
You
could
use
any
other
kind
of
sustainable
materials,
so
the
principles
that
are
being
that
that
that
the
the
builders
are
trying
to
adhere
to
are
noble
principles,
I
agree
with
them
100
percent,
but
in.
I
These
principles
manifest
must
be
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
It
must
be
honest
to
the
and
and
ingenuous
to
the
spirit
in
which
the
regulations
were
there
and
I'm
thinking
that
we're
trying
very
hard
to
find
loopholes
to
justify
this
building.
Rather
than
being
honest
to
the
guidelines
that
the
people
in
the
neighborhood
created,
it
is
not
being
honest
to
the
spirit
of
the
guidelines
and
I
cannot
support
it.
D
E
Sam
I'm
trying
to
find
I
just
lost
my
page
I'm,
trying
to
I'm
looking
through
the
we're
in
Maple
Heights
right
I'm,
trying
to
find
the
accessory
structure
guidelines
I.
Guess
they
come
right
after
sustainability
I
turn
the
page
I
made
a
mistake,
but
I
want
to
read
a
bit
of
that
here
we
go
so
the
accessory
structure
guidelines
are
somewhat
different
than
the
primary
structure
guidelines
in
Maple
Heights
in
the
Maple
Heights
guidelines.
How
they're
laid
out
I'm
going
to
read
some
things?
E
That's
you
know
stuck
me
when
designing
a
new
accessory
building
such
as
a
garage
or
storage
building.
The
context
to
which
the
designer
must
relate
is
usually
defined
by
the
existing
buildings
on
the
site.
So
all
this
talk
about
it
being
a
part
of
the
neighborhood,
the
more
I'm.
According
to
the
guidelines,
the
the
the
the
higher
standard
or
the
the
the
more
prevalent
standard
is
its
relation
to
the
existing
buildings
on
the
site.
But
then
it
goes
on
to
say.
E
For
the
most
part,
the
guidelines
pertaining
to
new
construction
of
primary
structures
are
applicable
to
accessory
buildings.
As
long
as
it
is
remembered
that
there's
always
a
closer
and
more
direct
relationship
with
an
existing
building,
in
this
case,
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
so
every
time
something
comes
before
the
commission
I
like
to
pay
a
lot
of
attention
to
what
the
neighborhood
wants
and
what
the
guidelines
say,
and
you
know
I
beat
that
dead
horse.
As
often
as
I
can
my
architect
had
on
I
love
this
project.
E
It
is
incredibly
well
proportioned.
It
works
in
a
number
of
different
ways.
For
me.
Is
it
increases
density?
It's
very
sustainable.
You
know
with
the
settlement
pattern,
it
works,
and
that
way.
For
me,
the
massing
of
the
building
its
relationship
to
the
existing
structure.
I've
got
no
issues
with
any
of
that.
E
It
appeals
to
me
like
the
neighborhood
is
split.
There's
the
there's
the
Commission,
the
design,
Review
Committee,
has
issues
the
immediate
neighbors
adjacent
to
the
property,
love
this
project,
and
so
that's
wrenching
right.
It's
like,
but
I
found.
Also
I
didn't
remember
your
name,
sir,
but
one
of
the
residents
of
the
neighborhood
who
talked
about
the
process
by
which
you
became
an
historic
district.
It
was
involuntary
and
I've
been
going
through
the
writing
of
guidelines
with
multiple
neighborhoods
and
one
of
the
things
I've
tried
to
convey.
E
Is
you
have
to
be
really
careful
what
you
put
in
your
guidelines
because
of
situations
like
this
and
I?
Would
you
know
I
like
guidelines
that
are
like
neighborhood
or
historic
district
light,
especially
on
conservation
districts
that
are
elevated
and
these
guidelines
are
more
strict
than
a
lot
of
other.
E
So
it's
wrenching
I
love.
This
project
I
would
love
to
support.
It.
I
think
the
the
only
thing
that
I
find
a
little
bit
of
a
stretch
is
the
flat
roof,
but-
and
also
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
address
was
the
Cobb
Cobb
is
basically
it
appears
as
plaster
or
stucco
from
the
exterior.
It's
not
I
mean
it's
a
very
old
material
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
as
foreign,
as
my
fellow
commissioner
might
think
it
is,
but
we're
both
very
opinionated
people.
C
J
Otherwise
we
would
have
you
know
some
other
kind
of
building
that
would
not.
We
would
not
see
even
Palladio
did
things
change.
You
know
from
from
Gothic
to
class
buildings,
and
but
so
when
you
talk
about
what
is
this?
Is
it?
Maybe
maybe
you
don't
want
to
use?
The
word
eclectic,
though
I
think
it
is
seriously
an
Eclectic
project,
both
the
existing
building
and
the
building
that
is
responding
towards
I.
Think
in
that
way
it's
a
different.
J
It
could
be
vernacular,
which
is
very
veracular,
because
I,
don't
think
anybody
any
architect
actually
took
that
brick
building
and
stuck
it
onto
the
to
the
more
classical
building,
and
so
in
that
respect.
I
think
that
the
the
new
building
responds
to
that
I
agree
with
Sam
that
it's
a
it's
an
ancillary
building
and
it's
two
respond
to
the
building
that
is
on
its
site
associated
with,
and
the
only
thing
you
know
anything
I
think
it's
just
a
great
project
and
I
would.
J
A
A
Q
E
I
R
R
Go
right,
yeah
yeah
go
ahead.
I
was
a
professor
of
political
science
for
a
decade
and,
and
one
thing
I've
noticed
on
this
body
having
been
here
a
lot
is
that
there's
often
a
Fidelity
to
enforce
rules,
but
in
fact
the
historical
reason
you
have
bodies
like
this
is
to
adjudicate
when
rules
ought
to
be
relaxed
because
you
don't
need
humans
to
enforce
rules
any
anybody.
Could
any
machine
can
do
that
so
I
just
encourage
you
to
to
to
feel
more
empowered.
I
A
A
A
A
F
Yes,
give
me
one.
Second,
let
me
switch
to
Shared
content,
okay,
so
this
is
our
second
certificate
of
appropriateness
petition.
For
today
for
COA
23-31
at
1108,
South
Madison
Street,
the
petitioner
Linda
Napier
is
requesting
to
build
a
new
detached
garage.
Then
I
was
gonna,
come
at
the
neighborhood
comments,
but
we
have
the
neighborhood
neighbors
here,
so
the
staff
recommends
approval
of
CLA
23-31.
The
proposed
garage
would
have
horizontal
siding.
So
that's
something
important.
F
F
F
F
C
F
F
L
I
just
want
to
add
that
it
is
going
to
be
a
one-car
garage
with
a
carport,
so
I'm
pouring
a
22
foot
by
24
foot
pad
with
a
12
foot
by
24
garage
for
the
carport
adjacent
to
it.
Okay,
there's
going
to
be
work
done
in
our
alley.
The
city
has
contacted
me
and
said
that
they're
going
to
regrade
I,
don't
know,
for
that
means
we're
gonna,
I'm
gonna
get
paved
or
not,
but
that's
going
to
depend
as
to
whether
I'm
going
to
have
a
gravel,
driveway
or
not.
L
It
will
have
cement
siding
612
pitch
roof
line
matches.
My
house
it'll
have
a
red
metal
roof
that
matches
my
house.
You
can't
see
that
in
that,
because
that's
a
really
old
picture
of
my
house,
that's
changed
considerably,
since
that
picture
was
taken,
so
it'll
be
really
attractive,
it'll
be
a
real
asset
to
the
area
so
and
the
primary
reason
why
I
want
to
build
it.
I
want
to
get
an
electric
car
I,
don't
want
my
things
tampered
with
anymore,
and
so
this
is
a
direction
that
I
have
to
go.
First.
Thank.
F
A
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Right
well,
since
I'm,
one
of
the
ones
who
wrote
Our
guidelines,
it
fits
our
guidelines
with
roof
pitch
and
materials,
and
since
we
were
originally
in
fact,
bloomington's
very
first
historic,
Conservation
District
and
then
we
were
elevated
beyond
our
control
in
2014
to
his
store.
We
are
technically
historically
like,
and
this
structure
sits
in
the
in
the
back.
Now,
yes,
it's
visible
by
Ali,
but
it's
not
necessarily
visible
from
the
main
thoroughfares,
and
so
our
neighborhood
approved
it.
We
see
no
problem
with.
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And
that's
my
Builder
provide
that
I
didn't
provide
that
my
Builder
is
steel
construction
and
that's
what
they
had
to
work
with
that
had
that
kind
of
the
the
lean
to
carport
on
it.
But
if
you
look
at
the
pictures
of
there
are
of
an
existing
single
car
garage
with
the
carport,
that's
over
just
off
of
Palmer
and
I.
Guess
it's
I
think
Allen
or
God.
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Point
of
every
time
I
would
walk
out
while
he
was
working.
While
my
contractor
was
working
on
our
shed
I
had
the
phone
with
the
number
ready
to
dial
for
the
police.
It
turns
out,
he
robbed
a
judge
and
he
has
all
of
these
other
things,
but
he
is,
he
was
very
aggressive
now.
No,
he
didn't
hit
me,
but
I
was
threatened.
That's.
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Yes,
so
we
are
Reviving
The,
Rosemary,
Miller,
lecture
series
which
had
been
interrupted
by
the
pandemic,
and
this
is
the
first
time
that
I'm,
organizing
so
programming
this
so
I'm
grateful
to
everybody's
help
and
patience
throughout
the
process.
Hopefully,
we
will
be
able
to
bring
many
community
members
to
honor
Nancy,
Hiller's,
Legacy
and
and
know
a
bit
more
about
what
a
preservationist
woodworker,
editor
and
ethicist.