City of Bloomington, Indiana MPO Policy Committee, 14 May 2021

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Hi, I'm sarah ryder band and I am calling the meeting of the mpo policy committee for may 14.

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2021 to order um I I'm vice chair of the mpo and we'll be taking the helm today, because.

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Our fearless leader is vacationing, so we will go around and introduce ourselves.

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uh Do you want to just kind of go through your list there, so that makes it a little.

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Easier for people sure I can I can do that. uh Sarah, you introduced yourself so margaret.

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My name is margaret clements and I am president of the monroe county plan. Commission.

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I'm vice president of the bloomington economic development corporation. I'm vice president of.

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The monroe county board of zoning appeals and I also serve on the east monroe water corporation's.

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Board of directors, okay, then pam samples, I'm pamela samples, I'm on the ellesville town council.

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And I'm also on the planning in ellisville, okay, thank you. Then we have nate nichol.

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Hi all nate nicholl with the city of burlington public works department,.

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And then chris wallman hello, chris wollman, seymour district ndot, then scott robinson.

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Scott robinson uh director for planning and transportation city of bloomington.

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I'm proxy for mayor hamilton, okay, then penny gatherings. I'm penny gibbons monroe county.

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Then kent, commissioner and mcdaniel here, uh representing bloomington transit.

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Okay and then jason banning.

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Hello, jason bannock, representing indiana university; okay, thank you, jason and that's.

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All I have here, um I'm here. Oh I'm, sorry, kate, I'm sorry, kate! You weren't on the initial.

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Okay, I apologize kate, no worries, kate, welts, county council. Okay, thank you.

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Okay, any others out there that I've missed anyone here from city council.

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Steve's missing, okay, so um thank you all. uh Do I hear a motion to approve today's agenda.

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A motion to approve today's agenda. Second, it's been moved and seconded to approve today's agenda.

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Would you please call the roll okay, sarah ryder band? Yes, margaret clemons, yes, pamela samples? Yes,.

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Nate nichol, yes, chris wallman, yes, scott robinson, yes, penny gibsons; yes, kent mcdaniel,.

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Yes and jason bannick, oh jason, vannick, yes and kate wilts. Yes, thank you uh unanimous one. Two.

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And if so, are there any additions or corrections to last month's meeting minutes.

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If there are none, do I hear a motion to approve the minutes.

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I have my hand raised. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't see that go ahead. Thank you. I noticed that.

B

The minutes uh omitted uh the discussion of metrics that kate wilts brought up concerning the.

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Survey and the study for transportation- and I think that that's important to include in the.

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Minutes, well, I can, I can go back. I will have to look review the tape to go back and do that.

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Normally, what we do is we. We say we talk about the general topic and then we say discussion ensued.

B

I would just like it to be a part of the formal record and, by the way, zoom is very convenient for.

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uh Providing more substantive minutes because there's a transcript that is available.

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That can be printed at the end of each zoom call so, um but that substantive.

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Discussion of the metrics is important. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.

G

Well, correct me: if I'm wrong, but that's a fairly substantive change to the minutes. So do we need to.

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Put those off to the next meeting for approval. We can't okay, let's do that. You know I mean that's a.

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Decision of the committee on whether they want to do that or how they wish to proceed. Well, it's hard.

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To approve the discussion without seeing it that's my point: is there any harm in putting it off.

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No, no, and I don't I mean myself, I don't even remember the metrics.

B

I move that we continue to the next meeting until the minutes can be corrected to include.

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The substantive comments regarding the survey, um the transportation survey that was included in our.

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Packet, okay, margaret that's cool I'll; second, that thank you. I have a point of order. Please.

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Yes, this this debate is not about how staff means to do the minutes. uh There is a recorded.

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uh Meeting that's available. Caps keeps a record if anybody wants to listen to the.

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Discussion and that's fine, I don't think the point of minutes is for us to read verbatim comments. Is.

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To outline what has happened at the meeting to record what actions were taken, um I just.

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Don't think it's worth staff time to provide verbatim a minute, so I don't think this is the.

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Opportunity to debate that at this time I stand by my motion and it's been moved and seconded.

G

Well, I I did do the second, but I also agree. We don't need verbatim minutes, but.

G

I think I actually seconded it. I think I seconded it before you did not stand by that. Okay, fine.

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Is there further discussion on this topic before we vote on the motion.

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And the motion being that we postpone these minutes until uh the.

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Metrics discussion can be included in the minutes from the last meeting again point of order. The.

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Motion, I believe, was to adopt the minutes uh and then this uh you know margaret introduced a.

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Motion to uh add or do something else again, I think the motion on the table was to approve.

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The minutes that was the most point motion on the table was to discuss the minutes. Sorry.

F

The agenda says approval minutes. A motion was made to approve the minutes.

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G

Sarah, this is in your bowl park here, you're, the chairperson.

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Frankly, I don't care sarah you're muted did anyone. Second, the motion to approve the minutes.

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No, if it was never seconded, then indeed that motion is not on the table.

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So there is a motion on the table that has been placed and seconded and that's.

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What's under discussion now we can vote on that and then go back depending upon.

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How this vote comes out to either approve or disapprove the minutes so.

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That's as far as I can tell from what has transpired so far where we are again, madam chair, I.

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Would have second the minute, but I was giving miss clemens the benefit of the doubt and she entered induced a new motion. So I don't know if that's the.

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Correct procedure or not, I would have happily seconded the amendment to adopt the minutes.

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I hear you, um but we actually have a oh, so confusing, um and we don't have robert here to.

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Clarify his rules, so it sounds like there actually is a motion with a second.

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And I would just it seems reasonable for us to just go ahead. Deal with the fact that some of us.

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Believe that the minutes should include a further discussion, despite discussion ensued, which means.

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Someone could go to the actual meeting minute meeting online, listen to it find out all of the.

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uh Details or they can simply, we can revisit these minutes after we include something about.

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The metrics that we're being asked for that's, as I understand is the essence.

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Of what we have to vote on at this point is that is that everyone else's understanding.

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I made a motion to update to amend the minutes and because there was an invitation by the chair.

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To uh to discuss or and or amend the minutes, I made a motion to.

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To object to the way the minutes were presented and uh that requested that the discussion of the.

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uh Of the metrics of the survey that was conducted be included, and then um I can made a motion to.

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Continue uh the approval of the minutes until such a discussion could be uh included in the updated.

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Minutes that motion was moved and seconded and madam chair, if you uh would be so kind to either.

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Further my motion in the second or disallow it on some other technical grounds. I would be grateful.

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I think that was what I just said, but um is there further discussion about.

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This issue, or can we go ahead and vote on whether to continue these minutes until this metrics piece.

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Is included in the minutes again, I think I understand the purpose of including the.

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Or the desire to include the discussion, but actually with the policy committee, the technical.

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Advisory committee, the citizen advisory committee will be approving and reviewing that document.

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I don't think the minutes are germaine to having that discussion in there. That's the only reason.

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I'm concerned about having staff start putting more verbatim minutes for the sake of having.

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Minutes when we're actually, our job is to review documents and make recommendations.

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That's just all I'm concerned about is creating a false expectation.

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It sounds like scott that you're saying that you would vote no, and so I think what we're.

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Leaving this at is whether you vote yes or no on the motion. That's on the table.

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Are you wanting to say something else.

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No, I'm good, I just you know serving as npo staff before I can tell you it's very time, consuming.

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To do minutes, regardless of what the thought might be about zoom transcribing, it makes lots of errors.

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Again, I just think the purpose of the minutes is not for people to read verbatim comments of.

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What people said is to understand what happened at the meeting and what actions and votes were taken.

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Again, the documents that this committee reviews and approves that's what is important, not.

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Necessarily what is said at the meeting- that's just my opinion again. I just want to caution.

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The policy committee on the direction you're giving staff to start, including verbatim minutes.

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I don't think that's a wise use of time and frankly, my own opinion is that I agree with you.

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That it's only actions that really belong in the the minutes and that that's anything substantive.

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Is important that you know things can be added that are minor, but I agree with.

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You that verbatim discussion of anything is irrelevant to the purpose of the minutes, so.

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But that that would be reflected in how you vote on the motion.

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Sarah, this is ken I'd like to jump in and say you know. I agree with you and I agree with scott.

G

We don't need verbatim minutes um and I'm always. I've always been opposed to making work for staff.

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You know, let's do what's important and significant and try and move on so I'd like to move on, but in.

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This case, you know if one of the policy committee members thinks that something should be mentioned.

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I don't believe she ever said it should be verbatim, and you know it's okay with me. I'd.

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Frankly, just like to get it over with and move on to the rest of the meeting.

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Right so I was asking whether there was further discussion so that we could.

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Actually, vote on this and get on with the meeting, because we have a lot to cover good.

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All right, so there is a motion to continue these minutes so that more detail could be provided.

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In these minutes before they're voted on all those first, I thought kate had her hand up.

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If that's right, yeah, I can't see um I just I was going to contribute to.

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The discussion for just a moment not trying to belabor the point um but.

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The I think that the reason that it would be appropriate for this particular discussion.

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To be reflected in the minutes um is that it did result in staff indicating they would take action.

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And I don't even truly, I brought it up and I don't even remember exactly what it was that was said.

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And I don't need to you know, I can go back to the tape to see exactly what was said and so.

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Can anybody, but it just should be mentioned that it was you know, discussed and that you know these.

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Were the concerns- and these are how they're going to be addressed bam. It's really not. I don't think.

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Margaret I mean I don't want to put words in her mouth. It wasn't.

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That's not my intent, but just since um I was involved in the discussion, I do recall that there.

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Was the response was that action would be taken so there's a there's, a reason for in, in my opinion,.

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Delaying and having them the minutes reflect this particular topic. That's it anyone else.

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Okay, again, there's a motion on the floor to continue these minutes.

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Until next month, where they can reflect a discussion of metrics.

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In whatever form,.

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And it's been seconded, so would you please call the rule? Okay, uh margaret clements,.

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Yes, okay, pam samples, no okay, nate nickel, no uh chris wallman. I like that thing. If possible, okay,.

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uh Scott robinson, no penny gibsons, yes, ken mcdaniel.

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Ken mcdaniel.

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Yes, are you, okay, I'm sorry, hey, jason, no kate, quills, yes and sarah ryder band? No okay,.

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I'm just I'm sorry, just second one, two, three four, yes, one, two, three, four, five, no.

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In one abstention, okay,.

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Motion to approve your minutes, it's been moved. Is there a second second.

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Hey it's been roofed in second to approve the minutes from the uh april.

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9Th meeting of the policy committee are there any corrections.

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What are there any additions or corrections to the minutes? I would suggest that we.

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Add that there was a discussion about some metrics.

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And it was about the survey methodology. That's all I remember right now. I don't remember much.

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About the details, but that edition would require somebody to add it and that's exactly what we just.

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Debated and I'm confused, no, we didn't debate that so you're. Just asking that uh discussion.

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Of the metrics be discussion of metrics uh be added into the discussion ensued. You could even.

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Say: discussion of metrics I don't care you're, just asking for an addition of a couple of words.

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To the minutes, is that correct or not I don't know how many words it would be. It's essentially.

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That the minutes need to reflect that this topic came up.

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It was discussed and if there was an action agreed upon that, whether or not there was.

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That's all I mean it's not that big a deal. It just happened. So do you want to actually give us.

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That addition, can you come together with a sentence like does it say uh the topic of metrics.

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Arose and discussion ensued and staff said they would look into it. Is that what you wanted to say.

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That's I guess better than what it has now. I I'm sorry I'm not trying to be difficult.

C

Because I don't really recall it, it just came up in this. You know today, right here, as I'm looking.

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At it I thought margaret had a good point. I was like oh yeah. We had that discussion. They.

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Said they would do something that seems good, I'm not really trying to be difficult. I swear.

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But I you know, in addition, that's a good addition. I still support it, but we already.

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Voted on this, I thought no, we haven't voted on the minutes. I asked if there was any addition.

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To the minutes and what I'm asking is, do you have a statement that should be in the minutes.

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What we voted on was whether to postpone the minutes, because.

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Apparently, it was understood that margaret wanted the discussion itself included into the minutes.

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So I'm asking whether there is an actual addition, or do you simply want to say, discussion ensued.

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And staff said they would look into the metrics for the survey.

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Sure, okay, so staff, would you please add to the minutes staff said they would look into the.

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Metrics for the survey- yes, thank you. Okay with that addition, it has been moved and seconded.

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Is there any further discussion of the minutes from the last meeting.

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If not, would you please call the roll okay, margaret clements, without.

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A substantive um statement of what exactly was agreed upon. I cannot vote yes, so I must vote no.

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Okay, um okay, pam samples; yes, okay, made nickel. Yes,.

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Hey chris wollman abstain.

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Okay, sorry, just second here, scott robinson.

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Okay, um penny giftens; no.

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Okay, ken mcdaniel, yes,.

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Okay, jason banik. Yes,.

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And kate wilts kate wills.

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No and sarah ryder band.

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Yes, okay! I'm sorry, just a second here, one two, three, four, five, six, six! Yes.

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One two: three, no one, abstention motion passes. Okay, thank you. The chair is not actually here this week.

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So we'll move on to the reports from officers and committees the cac met they recommended.

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Approval of the tip amendments that we will be hearing today and they also looked at the.

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Crash report that we have and discussed it at quite some length and that's it lou. You want to.

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Tell us about the tech, yes, thank you. Sarah lou may I'm the chair of the technical advisory committee.

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The tac also met last month and discussed the tip amendments from bloomington transit that are.

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Before you today and the tac voted unanimously to recommend approval to the policy committee.

J

That's all we have. Thank you. Thank you lou reports from the mpo staff. Okay, in your packet, we have a.

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Letter included in there from the director of the indiana department of transportation.

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To from erika tate at federal, highway administration approving.

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The fiscal year 2022 unified, planning work program and then we also included the final.

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Planning work program in your packet, so that way you can see the document in its entirety.

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We've since received a notification from the department of transportation of an impending.

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Contract we've signed that contract that contract is working through the approval process at the.

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Indiana department of transportation, also with the state of indiana, and that's all I have on that one.

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Second, item included in your packet is a very brief summary of the american jobs plan.

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This is pertinent to the state of indiana. The source of this is the national association.

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Of regional councils, you may want to scroll down there ryan just a little bit.

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And it's just a like. I said it's an indiana specific summary. The next page down.

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Thank you. There you go, and this gives a report card for the state of indiana for infrastructure.

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And this comes from well comes from the american association of state highway.

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Transportation officials and other officials involved in looking at infrastructure in indiana.

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And that's just there for your information. The next item we have is the.

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Mpos call for a 2022-2026 transportation improvement program call for projects.

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Of staff well, the the deadline for that was the 15th of last month.

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The staff received approximately 22, I think it was 22 applications from local public agencies.

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We received applications from monroe, county city of bloomington, bloomington, transit and rural.

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Transit, we did not receive any applications from iu campus bus or the town of ellisville at the.

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Next meeting the next tac meeting cac meeting later this month and in the policy committee.

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Meeting next month, we will present everybody with an entire list of all the applications and show.

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You what the proposed works work items were and then also what the costs associated costs are too.

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In the meantime, we must negotiate out a what I would call fiscal constraint.

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Because the applications that came in the request for funds exceeded the available funds.

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And by statute, we must have a fiscally constrained transportation improvement program.

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And then also included in the packet is what I would call.

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Preliminary street clean, I'm sorry, com, preliminary complete streets scoring.

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And this is for the new projects, the new non-transit projects, transit, transit.

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Projects are exempt from the complete streets policy, which is adopted in 2018.

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Well, last updated in 2018. Actually it was adopted uh somewhere around 2012.

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And then there's a memo in there too ryan. You may want to scroll up to the memo.

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I'm sorry yeah yeah there you go.

H

Oh there we go here. We go yeah, there's an extensive memo in here on the applications.

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Received uh there was one project for crosswalk safety improvements, a second project for downtown.

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Curb ramps phase four another project for high street intersection, monetization multi-use path.

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Then another application for old state road 37 at dillman road.

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Intersection improvement and then the final application was for west 2nd street.

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Modernization and safety, safety improvements and all three of these, the detail is here in.

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The memorandum for you to read, if you haven't consumed that already and then farther down.

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Following this, memorandum is what I would call the preliminary complete street scoring.

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And the preliminaries complete street scoring was done by ryan and myself.

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In consultation with the applications out there, I call these preliminary because.

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We did not consult with the lpas. We will consult with the rpas later on.

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To make sure that there isn't anything that we missed in that.

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And then those are there for your review and then finally, uh the development timetable for this.

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We have, um I don't know if that's included in in back there or not verbally, I will.

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Tell you the development timetable is the draft transportation improvement program.

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Is under development right now, ryan and I will have a draft transportation improvement program.

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To the we will mail it out to the tac in the cac next wednesday. It may be fiscally unconstrained.

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uh And then, at the latter part of this month, those two committees will be reviewing the.

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Draft transportation improvement program and then, between the time of the tac and the cdc.

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Meeting at the end of this month and before prior to the policy committee meeting in june.

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We will develop a fiscally constrained transportation, improvement program.

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And then we will ask the policy committee for approval to publish the document and submit the.

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Document in draft form to the indiana department of transportation, federal highway administration.

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The federal transit administration and then in mid-june we will conduct a legal advertisement.

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For a 30-day comment period on the draft transportation improvement program and then.

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We will also conduct at least one public meeting via zoom for any comments on the.

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Transportation and permit program- and that's all I have unless anybody has any questions.

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No questions, madam chairmans. uh Thank you. I have a question.

B

um Don't you normally put the um vote in there? Are we talking about the crash report, the uh tip.

B

Or the um transportation, this uh document that uh you have the.

B

The final unified planning work program which which are we are we talking about all of it,.

B

Right now, no actually items items c and d were accidentally flipped. So we talked about d and then.

H

I'll go into c here after this, so we're talking about d and not about a correct, okay, correct the.

E

Unified I mean I can back up here: unified planning work program was approved by the policy committee.

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Last month we submitted that final document to the indiana department of transportation.

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Federal highway administration and federal transit administration, they approved the document issued.

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A letter saying their approval and then, after that, the indiana department of transportation.

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Submitted to us a contract for the work program to sign which was signed and we submitted that doc.

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That contract to back to ndot and that contract is working its way through indiana state government.

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With the approval signatures and the the end result, is that, beginning on july 1st, we will.

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Begin work on the fiscal year, 22 22 and 2 unified planning work program which was approved by the.

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Policy committee last month, is it not customary to put the votes in favor and those opposed to that.

B

Transportation document in the that was in the minutes of that was in the minutes for last month.

E

Yes, yeah, you know that was there that was under old business last month.

E

And and the votes were uh 11-1.

E

Approved, I ask a question about the two projects. um I can't tell exactly where the.

K

Crosswalk safety improvement projects are the crosswalk safety improvements.

E

Are within the city of bloomington uh that will be at various locations.

K

Sorry I've got work going on here then, if, if it's at various locations, how do you determine.

K

The the crash locations versus improvement on infrastructure.

K

I mean how do you give these ratings if it's at various locations? Well, it I mean.

E

Since there was no specific location, then it does not appear in the top 50 crash.

E

Crash report in the scoring, if you look at the scoring and therefore it was received as zero.

K

But also, if there's no specific location, how do you indicate that it improves upon existing.

K

Infrastructure, uh it goes both ways for me, so I'm not trying to be difficult. I just want to know.

K

Where this is occurring, no, I know it. It improves on existing infrastructure, because it's replacing.

E

Existing infrastructure to meet ada standards, in other words, the infrastructure, still exists.

E

It exists currently and what it's doing is it's updating or modernizing those those crosswalks.

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That are in there from approximately 10 years ago and bringing those up to current standards.

E

And it's all occurring within the existing right-of-way there's no right-of-way take for any of this I mean.

E

Does that make sense.

K

It makes sense, but it's just hard for us to I mean with I don't, have experience with doing.

K

These ratings, so oh sure uh I I don't know how some of the evaluation is done um and.

K

So specificity helps me. That's all yeah, like I said we ryan, and I did these based on the criteria.

E

And then, uh if there are questions from the lpas, the applicants themselves.

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We will meet with the applicants and discuss that and we can alter the scoring. This is.

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All preliminary scoring it's intended to give the policy committee, the technical advisory committee.

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And citizens advisory committee give them what I would call an order of magnitude, in other words,.

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How how good is the project in relation to the criteria? It's not a one project against another.

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Type of competition- it's just in relation to the criteria itself. Does that answer your question.

K

I I guess I need just need to do deeper dives into some of this. Thank you, patrick. Well, I'd like to.

B

Follow up on a comment that I made two years ago about the kind of the safety of these crosswalks.

B

That are being constructed and engineered, and that has to do with um the canyons through which.

B

A wheelchair must navigate, and I've reported in this committee that going forward in a wheelchair.

B

It's very difficult sometimes to get over the buttons that exist between the high curbs that.

B

That engineering has erected- and I uh have seen and witnessed- and I reported here at this.

B

Committee a few years ago, uh and they promised to look into it- uh that um a wheelchair on.

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Walnut street around, I think around firster allen uh had stopped traffic trying to navigate over.

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Those buttons and get through the narrow corridor of the canyons and had to back up into oncoming.

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Traffic and reverse, and without a rear view, mirror had to navigate in between those high curbs.

B

um And it was a dangerous situation and I was promised by this committee and by technical.

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Advisory that um that would be uh looked into a nevertheless nothing, but that type of uh canyon.

B

Or crosswalk has been engineered since that, since I made those comments so I'd like I I'd like the.

B

Record to note that and I'd like uh I'd like us, to be more thoughtful about what we're doing and how.

B

We're spending money, especially for the purported purpose of serving differently abled uh people.

E

The staff: well, we don't design, I mean we, we just facilitate federal funding for the projects. If you.

E

Could give me a specific location, we will pass that on to the engineering department and we'll.

E

File a you report: I've done that before I've done that before how many I mean, I'm sorry if.

E

You could give us a location, we can check and see if a u report was filed and what action was taken.

E

Because that's outside of the mpo's purview, that's within the purview of the city of works.

B

I just can't approve funding for something. That's going to engineer problems for disabled.

B

So, okay, so that's my report, it's on walnut street around first and uh they can look look into it.

E

I'm sorry the location is first in walnut. Yes,.

E

Okay, I will make a re you report to the uh to the board of public works and they will contact you.

E

This is a crosswalk. Okay, all right are there any other questions about the applications.

E

For the memorandum um I I do have a question. Yes, um looking back and kind of following up on what.

C

Penny was pointing out. um I guess- and I know that I I probably have been through this process before.

C

But it's been a minute, you said this is a high level kind of um scoring. Is there another round of.

C

Scoring does that then involve other folks. This is this is draft. It was completed by ryan and ice and.

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Myself, yeah and then these scores will be provided to the applicants to the project applicants.

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Project applicants may want to make clarifications on some of these, because a few of the criteria.

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We don't know the answer to and if we didn't know the answer to it, we placed a zero.

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So in any, if anything, we've scored low on these and these scores are just merely advisory.

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They give the applicant and they give the technical advisory committee citizens advisory.

E

Policy committee, an order of magnitude for the projects. In other words, how does the project.

E

Relate to the adopted, complete streets policy and those scores will show you.

E

uh And it's impossible for any project to receive a perfect score. I'll give you that.

C

Does that help? That sounds like a challenge? It's impossible.

E

Well, well, I had an lpa say that they had a perfect score and I beg to differ. I bet.

C

um So if you have more projects submitted, then you can um fund. Then obviously, there's.

C

A little competition going on, even if you're meant to call it a competition. I get that.

C

And I'm I'm wondering then so you said they have a chance to sort of.

C

Protest remonstrate or whatever they can add, they can add to the scoring, but but in reality it you.

E

Know it's a report. It's a report to the committees is what it is in the overall scheme of things.

E

It doesn't determine a priority. It gives you a rank order so to speak.

E

But it doesn't favor one project over another, so higher scores don't equal more likely.

C

To be done, well, that's up to the lpas. Now the staff doesn't make that determination. Now, whenever.

E

There's a fiscal constraint issue the parties involved, which the last time two years ago, was the.

E

City of bloomington, monroe, county and bloomington transit all met and came to a consensus and then.

E

Since there are requests for more funds than there are available and we're required to achieve fiscal.

E

Constraint the same issue will happen again where it it'll be monroe county city of bloomington and.

E

Bloomington transit must meet and come to a consensus on what level of funding they're.

E

Willing to accept for particular projects, so that way we can balance the budget got it.

C

Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time. Oh sure, absolutely, are there any additional questions.

E

Like I said, these are advisory. Preliminary advisories.

A

If there are enough further questions, uh then ryan, you want to talk to us about the 50 percent.

A

2020 2016 crash report seems like it should be: 2016 2020.

A

Anyway, yes, absolutely I'm sorry for the switching of the order there, but.

H

Yeah, that's fine. This is the exact same report. I was going to talk about and see.

H

And this is also the exact same report that was uh presented to the cac and tac a couple of.

H

Weeks ago, just for consistency purposes um to be sure. Since then, what has been worked on is.

H

And is not 100, finalized is crash rate crash uh mode, uh meaning like uh numbers of crashes and.

H

Rates and severity by uh mode and then uh severity and intersection severity uh rates and rankings.

H

So, as sarah mentioned guess, this is only a 50 draft as you'll see if you're reading through.

H

The first few pages of of this document, but I'm going to focus a little bit more on.

H

The graphs themselves last time that the policy committee saw this.

H

It was at more of like a 25.

H

Draft so these these numbers in in here on the graphs that I'm presenting in this packet today.

H

Are at 100 percent uh completed so um that being said, these are the exact numbers for 2015 to 2019.

H

um And I guess I should note that we're going 2015 to 2019.

H

Because in the past we have, we have done a three-year crash report. Well, we have decided to.

H

Move to a five-year crash report because we think that it shows crash trends better. So we like to.

H

So we're going to in the future move to a five-year crash report and.

H

So here we go. If you have any questions, um I don't care, we can. We can talk about it.

H

During the presentation, just just feel free to raise your hand or or.

H

Say something out to me: that's totally fine with me, okay, so this first one is number of crashes by.

H

Time of day for for these five years- and you can tell that.

H

That our peak is at the uh evening rush with a spike in.

H

Around the around the lunch rush and from the morning just continues to get.

H

uh Higher on, on average, if you're following this, this black dotted line.

H

And then, after the rush, it precipitously declines.

H

The interesting thing to see here as we'll see in some of the the other graphs as well.

H

Is that the 2019 numbers are on on average lower than than the previous four.

H

Years and I think that that's interesting um and I mean I think, that's a great development.

H

Okay, so that is all all all five years by themselves and you can see that there's kind of a.

H

Similar trend within or or amongst the years, but putting them together.

H

Not a surprise, it kind of follows that exactly.

H

So this is a cumulative number of crashes for for those five years for each uh hour of the day,.

H

And so by time of the week.

H

We can see that that sunday has the fewest number of crashes, whereas.

H

Friday has the most number of crashes and just like before we're seeing that 2019 on average has.

H

Fewer crashes for every day of the week than the previous four years.

H

And then, just as before, here's the five-year cumulative number of crashes by day of week.

H

And it shows the exact same as as the five lines and the trend line of the previous.

H

Graph so going into the number of crashes by month.

H

July has the fewest number of crashes on average and october and november have have the highest.

H

And just as before, 2019 is lower for most months than each of the four previous years.

H

And then putting those together once again is very similar, showing that july.

H

Is the lowest and october as a month is, is the highest for for this set of five years.

H

Okay, so top crash locations. um Some of these may come as a surprise and some of them.

H

Or most of them may not, um but what we did here is that we used a.

H

H

Bar graph to show number of crashes per per location. So, as we can see that.

H

10Th and the bypass has the most number of crashes within this five-year time frame and.

H

State route, 37 and third street is, or has the second over this five-year time frame and I-69.

H

And bloomfield road has has the third.

H

It's it's interesting to point out that, um for instance, if we're looking at.

H

State route, 37 and vernal pike- we have very few to now zero crashes at at this intersection.

H

Now because it is only an overpass and it is not an intersection anymore,.

H

uh These lower numbers and like uh what 2016 this was, I believe, probably the construction of I-69.

H

And then representing this, this data in a little different way.

H

With 2019, as as the reference here, you can see this last column, this.

H

Is is the column that is the one that is declining for every year um and if we're looking at.

H

um At the top 20 crash locations and yeah um for the rank for for this top.

H

Or for the last five five years, um we'll have you know 10th in the bypass again is number one.

H

uh 46 college mall, road and third street is number two over this five year span and.

H

Number three is uh state rough, 45, 46 and walnut street and college avenue, so the bypass and walnut.

H

The interesting things to to point out here, just like in the previous graph is, is that.

H

For instance, state route, 30 or south old state route, 37 and and walnut street had a lot of.

H

Crashes during during I-69, but um is not within the top 10 intersections for for this time frame,.

H

Okay and so showing this data in um in table form now um we can see.

H

In this third column, this is the five year total number of crashes ranking.

H

So so we're talking about average number of crashes per five years.

H

And if we're, if, if we jump over to this fifth column here, we can see.

H

If it's uh green, the intersection has been getting better from the previous crash report.

H

Of 2014 to 2018 the previous five year, um the previous five years to this current crash report.

H

So um green means that the intersection is improving, meaning viewer crashes.

H

Red means that there are more crashes from the previous five years.

H

At those intersections and yellow means that it's stagnating or staying about the same.

H

Okay, so fatalities and fatal crashes per year.

H

You can see in 2019 we had five fatal crashes in the three years before that we had more.

H

But I included years even uh you know, prior to that 2013 and 2014, so we can have a longer trend.

H

It's like we can see what is what is happening over a longer period of time,.

H

If, um but from from, then it is showing that we are having slightly more crashes.

H

Every year or crashes that result in fatalities every year.

H

Okay, so getting into what causes those those crashes for each year.

H

We've listed what has caused each of those fatalities, but.

H

I have ranked those I put them all together for a five year total, and it shows that um our top two.

H

Fatal crash primary factors are running off the road to the right.

H

Or driving left of center and the third one is driving at an unsafe speed.

H

Okay, now um jumping into injuries and crashes that related injuries per year.

H

um It's great to see that we're having fewer number of crashes over the last.

H

Three or four years, and that trend line of number of crashes that result in injuries.

H

Is is also declining and I'm and I'm and I'm guessing that and I haven't looked at 20 20.

H

All that much yet and it could definitely change, but looking at these set of years.

H

Compared to the data that was um shown previously, with 2019 having fewer number of crashes by day,.

H

And by month, and by time of day, um we're showing that that our trendline is indeed showing that.

H

2019 has the um fewest number of crashes uh that result then, in in in injuries as well um from.

H

What we know from 2020 that may not be, or that may not hold true, um as as we know, that more or.

H

Fewer vehicles have been on the road and speeds have increased, and we know that unfortunately,.

H

Fatalities are probably increasing as well for for last year and earlier into this year, but for.

H

The set of data that is presented here we're on a we're on a positive looking trend line here.

H

And I guess that's all I have to show at the moment, but I will be happy to take any questions if there are.

G

I I've actually got a couple questions.

G

And a couple questions one is: I haven't really done a deep dive into all the accident reports, but.

G

It does not surprise me this is the comment, not a question that the state road, 46 10th street bypass.

G

Is a big provider because it's just the most poorly accident or most poorly.

G

Designed intersection, I think I've ever seen and also pete ellis and state road 46. That's.

G

I hope we're going to have some improvements. There, that's going to be a real big mess.

G

With us- and um it is, I mean something to note that that that intersection is is actually.

H

An mpo project, or it is in the tip, even though it's an in-dot project and I'm glad to see that.

G

Okay, now the questions that I had was uh regards to roundabouts.

G

I understand that the idea behind those is the accidents tend to be less severe.

G

Because you don't get the head on and you don't get the t-bones right. Have you looked into the.

G

Data enough on this accent report is or do we have enough data to indicate whether those roundabouts.

G

Are safer or not and then the other thing? My other question is I they look very dangerous.

G

And unfriendly to me or bicycles and pedestrians, so does the accident report back any of that up.

H

I guess just to jump into the um that's it. Those are my questions. Yeah thanks. No, um I haven't.

H

Done a deep dive into roundabout study, yet I mean we all know that they're designed to be.

H

Safer at uh somewhat um somewhat either dangerous or high frequency intersections, um but I.

H

I I have not looked into that yet um some of these intersections within bloomington and monroe county.

H

For instance, are are quite new, so I don't know if we've done any studies.

H

On that, as of right now, I'm not sure if uh scott may have more information on that.

G

Ryan, it's kind of scary going through some of those, because, oh especially, if you're.

H

A bicyclist or pedestrian, sometimes, but even in the car, a lot of people just don't understand how.

G

You're supposed to deal with it, so um you know I'm just it and signaling out of it right, yeah.

G

I'd be interested to see what the results are. You know when we do more studies. Oh, I would be too and.

H

One thing that I'm interested in looking at is uh listing all of our roundabouts and comparing them.

H

To previous years, when they were not roundabouts, yeah I'd like to see that and how the numbers.

H

Have have changed, thank you and I'm sure that they have, but um we haven't looked into that quite yet.

D

I have a question for ryan or pat just the days of the week. Is there any? Obviously you kind of see it.

D

Going up with the work week with crashes, but any any summaries or ideas of why it peaks so much on.

D

Friday, thursday, friday, it's kind of pre-weekend or any any ideas, why you see such a rise? There.

E

I mean based on the national data this this mirrors, the national data.

E

Everybody everybody peaks on friday and that's most likely because people drive alone.

E

On friday, they're less likely to carpool and ready to cut out for the weekend.

E

And or shopping trips or whatever, but this is consistent with what you see nationally.

H

Right and just to go off of that is, um there are generally more more trips done after working hours.

H

On on friday, and so people have or people are going to to more places.

H

And so that probably is indicative as long as I can remember friday, five to six p.m.

G

It's always been the worst time to drive as far as these accident reports are concerned,.

G

It's always been that way, so be careful right. Has anyone ever done a study of whether there.

A

Actually are more cars on the road on fridays. It's it seemed to me for the last 40 or 50 years.

A

No matter where I lived that there are more cars on the road on a friday period all day.

H

um Well, that may that may go back to what uh we were mentioning before. Is that.

A

Single occupancy people are doing more trips on on a friday and are pairing.

H

uh Trips together on friday, as opposed to some of the other days of the week,.

H

People may maybe grocery shopping or who knows what? Where, where they're going to need a vehicle.

H

Or they're traveling farther that kind of thing I'm wondering if, in our some iteration.

A

Of this crash report, whether we could actually isolate out the.

A

Roadways that the lpas within this mpo have real influence over versus in dots. Because when we look.

A

At the crash report, it's clear that most of our roadways, we actually have no influence on any of.

A

Those intersections so uh in in some later version will we be able to see our mpo influenced roadways.

A

Separated out, yes, I'm glad you mentioned that, and we talked about that uh last month or yeah.

H

Last month, at the cic meeting was was that um we are going to take this and break it down.

H

Per per lpa, and so we're going to have a we're going to have a top 10 for bloomington, a top 10.

H

For alexville, a top 10 for monroe county and and then show it that way so we'll be able to.

H

Know in the future, where, where our mpo dollars will make the the most you know, bang for its buck.

H

And that's really the whole point of doing a crash report really.

A

Thank you. Welcome other questions. I just want to comment. uh You know that I'd like to thank.

B

Ryan for his great report and that it it is uh encouraging, and I really appreciate the detail.

B

And the way you presented it, so thank you, oh you're welcome. There will be more to come.

K

Yeah I have a. I have one or two things: if it's possible.

K

um With the narrowing of uh east third street state route 46, um you know going east out of town.

K

I'd like for us to keep an eye on whether or not that.

K

Either increases or decreases not only automobile accidents, but also accidents with icicles.

K

And just you know for us to keep an eye on it. When I looked at these numbers, I actually went.

K

Back and and looked at when um I-69 opened between bloomington and martinsville, and it actually was.

K

At the end of 2018, so it's really nice to see that that we're seeing a drop because of having I-69.

K

There I know that there was a lot of opposition to it, but it looks like it's. It is saving lives.

K

And on I would like to ask also on page 14 and 15 of the crash report that you indicate what.

K

On the report itself, what the green, yellow and red mean, because that was not clear to me when.

K

I, when I read through it the first time um at all, so I appreciate how it's presented because.

K

That visual does make it very easy uh to make that comparison. um Thank you. Yeah. In the final.

H

Draft I will output a little legend of what that means. Yeah. That would be much appreciated and and.

K

I think that what I really want to um repeat what ken said was that you know we need to know about.

K

More about the roundabouts I lived in a country for more than two years where roundabouts were.

K

Very common- and I feel like a lot of people here- do not know how to use a roundabout properly.

K

And it's hard to signal on such small roundabouts, what you're doing so, um perhaps.

K

We can be looking at ways to educate the public in a different way about the use of roundabouts.

K

And how they can be really beneficial in terms of safety? Yes, absolutely um and.

H

We'll look into that and then also we'll keep an eye on on the intersections. At.

H

Sarah 46 or third street where, where that uh a new three lane out of town, is, um and that's not.

H

In this crash report, because it's it's fairly new, what was what did that finish in 2020? I think.

H

um There there are certainly some some intersections on the top 50 here on this table.

H

That that were along that or that are on that stretch there, let's see.

H

Well, is there anything else I might be able to help answer.

A

If there are no further questions, then we can move on to the tip.

A

Amendments so does anyone have any further questions on the crash report.

A

Okay, there is no old business to transact, so we'll move on to new business.

A

Tip amendments: okay: we received two two amendments for the fiscal year: 2020 2024 transportation,.

E

Improvement program. Thank you. First, application is for bloomington transit bus, stop improvements.

E

This is safety, mobility, preservation and maintenance type project.

E

For acute transit, stop access points and other infrastructure improvements, depending on the ad.

E

The assessed engineering needs uh federal funding on this is total hundred and forty.

E

Nine thousand dollars uh state matches thirty to seven thousand. Two. Fifty total amount is a.

E

Hundred eighty six thousand two hundred and fifty dollars now the second tip amendment we received.

E

A request was again from bloomington transit. This one is for the acquisition.

E

Of four 35-foot replacement electric vehicle buses- uh these are fleet replacement vehicles.

E

The this acquisition is consistent with the 2045 metropolitan transportation plan.

E

uh Where we would reduce uh carbon fossil type fuel buses, replace those with electric vehicles.

E

uh Total cost on this federal funding, 3.2 million local match 800 000, 4 million dollars.

E

Would be the total cost for this? um You know happy to take any questions. Anybody may have.

J

Patrick I I if I could I'd like to elaborate on both projects there. Thank you. I didn't know.

E

You were still online yeah. Thank you. First of all on the bus stop project.

J

There there has been a change on this project, so it's important for me to mention that.

J

This was for a pending grant application for 5310 federal transit administration funding.

J

The grant application was pending with ndot, and we just recently learned that, in order to.

J

Proceed with this project, we're going to have to do some advanced environmental work on the.

J

Project before the grant can be approved on this, so our plan is to go ahead and proceed with that.

J

Environmental work resubmit the grant application, probably for the next round of 5310 funding that.

J

Will be available from n dot and then include the project in a future tip most likely. The 2022.

J

Tip so this project, I don't need any action on this proposed tip amendment as as the project.

J

Has changed the the second project is for an approved grant uh in the last round of bus and bus.

J

Facility competitive uh fta funding, bloomington transit applied for the replacement of four.

J

35-Foot diesel buses with battery electric buses and I'm pleased to report that we were successful.

J

And winning that grant from the feds and the amount of 3.2 million dollars with an 800 000.

J

Local match these would be our fourth fifth, six, I'm sorry. Third, fourth.

J

Fifth and sixth, electric buses: we already have two the first one has been delivered.

J

The second one should be delivered any day now and we should have those in service, but.

J

So we're looking to put this approved grant in the fy 2021 tip again, the total amount is 3.2 million.

J

Federal 4 million dollars total so glad to take any questions or comments that anyone may have.

H

Sarah you're, muted.

A

Yeah so lou, um if I understand you correctly, you all are withdrawing.

A

The bus stop improvement, tip amendment and we will only be voting on the buses.

J

That that's correct! Okay, so I'm wondering whether there is a motion to approve the tip amendment.

A

For four 35 foot replacement electric buses, I'll move that sarah. Thank you do I hear a second.

A

Second, it's been moved and seconded all. Second, it's been seconded twice now.

A

So um is there any, are there any questions for lou or any comments? Anything anyone wants to say.

A

About this particular tip amendment clarification who made second, I did the first time. Okay, I I had.

E

You, but I just wanted to make sure, because I was going my boys not not photo okay. Thank you. So much.

G

I have to confess I'm con, I'm interested in something, and this is not relevant to that.

G

Particular motion but lou. What were the uh environmental concerns about? The bus stops.

G

Well, anytime, you're using federal funding for a construction project like this kent you have to.

J

Go through the federal nepa process to ensure that you're not having an adverse environmental.

J

Impact and that that will take a few months we'll have to hire probably an engineering consultant to.

J

Go through that nepa process on on both of these bus stops and the goal is you're trying to arrive.

J

At what's called a categorical exclusion and then once you have that the project is eligible for.

J

Federal funding and we can resubmit it there so again, our plan is to go forward with the nepa work.

J

Acquire the categorical exclusion that we're searching for then resubmit the application.

J

And I think, there's a reasonably good chance that it will be approved.

J

By ndot on the next round of funding, it used to be a lot easier to build a bus, stop.

J

Yeah, it used to be, for example, uh passenger shelters now also have to go through.

J

Environmental: same kind of environmental assessment just to put a federally funded.

J

Passenger shelter at a bus stop now um so you know that's another consideration for projects like.

J

This yeah well just one more question: when you're talking about a categoric, categorical exclusion,.

G

You have to get one for every bus stop or does that apply to the category of I think.

J

It would apply to both stops in this case yeah. It's still a lot of work. Thank you. Lou.

A

Are there other questions or comments? If not, then would you please call the roll.

E

Okay, margaret clements, yes, pam samples, yes uh nate neko, yes, chris wallman, yes, scott robinson.

E

Yes, um I'm sorry penny giftens, um I'm kind of abstained simply because I don't know enough.

K

About this issue: okay, um I'm sorry ken mcdaniel; yes, jason banik; yes, um I'm sorry, kate, wilts! Yes,.

E

And sarah ryder band- yes, okay, one two, three, four: five: six, seven, eight, nine, yes and one abstention.

E

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all right. So that's the end of business. Are there.

A

Any topics that anyone has for future agendas that they wish to bring forth.

B

I have one and it has to do with community engagement in general and the way surveys.

B

Are being conducted, I'm active on social media and a lot of people all over town are commenting.

B

So many fora that um that they, their voices, feel excluded and I'm. I remain concerned about the.

B

Adequate representation of our fellow community members. Frankly, the community was outraged with.

B

The udo process- and there were more than 700 signatures on a petition to enable more community.

B

Participation in the unified development ordinance because the comprehensive plan was not adhered to.

B

And there was all there were also 590 signatures on a petition, that uh of property owners who.

B

Wanted to participate more wholeheartedly in uh in planning processes, and I, if the city is not.

B

Going to abide by its comprehensive plan and if the uh opportunities for community feedback and.

B

Input are constrained, I wonder what kind of representative democracy we have here. I.

B

I think that we have to be worried about it as far as the annexation process is concerned,.

B

And we have to worry about it as far as our overall planning is concerned, I think the.

B

The public feels disengaged uh and un irrelevant to uh and um ignorant actually of.

B

The actual plans of the city of bloomington and indiana university, and I think that everyone would.

B

Like more transparency, in order to promote more trust and with transportation and with.

B

Our group in particular, we have a policy um organization that I think should be concerned.

B

About this, about the lack of community input about the lack of citizen engagement about.

B

uh The inclusion of uh various voices and the exclusion of various voices, so I'm raising it.

B

Here because it's the most critical issue that our community is facing, thank you.

A

uh Thank you as chair of the citizens advisory committee for this npo. I appreciate.

A

That advertisement, people are always welcome to become part of the citizens advisory committee.

A

And we have a very vocal and engaged group that meets in the cac and everyone within the mpo.

A

Is welcome to those meetings and that next meeting will occur virtually unfortunately.

A

On may 26th at 6 30 p.m, the same day at 10 a.m. The technical advisory committee will be meeting and.

A

The policy committee will meet once again on june 11 here virtually at 1 30 pm.

A

If there are no objections, then I will certainly entertain a movement. I have one other thing. I.

K

Have one of those things I'm sorry, um it looks like uh that we're going to have to develop some.

K

Kind of policy with regard to meetings after the governor's emergency order has been lifted, such.

K

That we can't continue complete virtual meetings after this, and I know the city is going to have to.

K

Do one the counties in the process of getting all of our different boards and commissions to do that.

K

And so I'm not sure what the exact mechanism will be for the mpo to do that. But in general.

K

At least once the emergency order is lifted in and as long as there's no emergency order.

K

Present within the county, um at least 50 percent of the participants will have to be present.

K

In person and then there are guidelines for when everybody has to be there and.

K

Guidelines for the number of meetings that a person must attend in person as well.

A

Thank you for that and, as I understand that the county is still under.

A

A a lock down so that you know it so far does not apply to us, but yes, um as things are lifted, things.

A

Will change and I look forward to meeting with other vaccinated humans um in person.

K

Yeah at this point we're under the state's emergency order, and so that's scheduled.

K

Right now to end at the end of this month, and so we'll also have to figure out different ways of.

K

Noticing meetings, if they're going to be both in person and um virtually is my understanding, so it.

K

Just complicates things for everyone, of course. Well, it's been a it's been interesting times.

A

I will entertain a motion to adjourn unless anyone else has anything to add.

G

I move here jiren. Thank you. Second, second, all right sounds probably unanimous. Thank you all.

I

I