City of Bloomington, Indiana Plan Commission, 14 Sep 2020

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Let me call to order uh this meeting of the city of bloomington plan. Commission.

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For september 14 2020, we have.

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One petition that is continued to the october meeting two items on a.

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Consent agenda and one new petition tonight.

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But uh before we get to that, we'll have some minutes to be approved and some.

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Reports and resolutions, so let's, uh let's start with the roll.

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Call and then we'll jump right into those other items.

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Hey burrell here: okay.

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Cockroam here herrera here kenzie here.

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Copper here sandberg here, st john.

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Here, whistler here and right, randolph.

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Muted, okay, all right one, two: what's up everybody.

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Well, beth beth kate is going to be a few minutes late, but she will be here so.

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We'll announce when she's here for the minutes.

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Okay, great all right sorry, my name was called.

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Yeah she said it on the you were the last one. She called. Are you you're here.

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It sounds like probably why I wanted to make a quick.

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No I'm gonna step out uh the monroe county executive plan, commission.

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Meetings going on so I'm gonna join that call and then the virtues of zoom I'll.

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Be able to jump back in so I just wanted to let everyone know.

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That I'm going to be stepping out temporarily and I'll join you in a while thanks tron.

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Great, thank you. Okay. We do have uh minutes to be approved from the.

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August meeting: are there any uh additions or.

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Corrections to those minutes.

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Saying none uh would someone like to make a motion.

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To approve those needs motion to approve the.

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August 2020 minutes second,.

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Okay, we have a nation in a second all in favor of approving those minutes.

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Please say: aye aye opposed no.

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Okay, the minutes are approved, we'll move on to.

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Reports, resolutions and communications do we have any.

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uh Reports from staff this evening.

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Hi brad, this is terry um terry. Can I cut you off, I'm so sorry.

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Terry has one, but I have one first. I was muted sorry.

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uh Terry, let's go first, I have to tara. You have to let me yes,.

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Okay, this is terry's last plan commission with us, as you probably all know, which is what she was.

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Trying to announce to you before I rudely interrupt her because I forgot I was on mute okay, so we got um a proclamation from the.

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Mayor who wasn't able to join us this evening, but I am going to read it into the record and.

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uh Then it will be presented to terry later this week.

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So I'm gonna go ahead and do that um and.

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Then we may have some comments from a couple of the plan. Commissioners as well.

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Okay, whereas terry porter was confirmed as director of planning and.

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Transportation by this planned commission via resolution, rs 1317 on april 17 2017, and has served as secretary of displaying commission at.

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All hearings since and whereas monday september 14th is.

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Terry porter's final regular plan commission meeting and whereas terry significantly contributed to many planned commission.

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Achievements, including completion of the comprehensive plan adopted in january.

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2018, the update of the transportation plan adopted in july 2019 and the update of the unified.

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Development ordinance and conversion map adopted in april 2020.

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And whereas terry's ability to strongly advocate for development decisions that.

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Meet the goals of the comprehensive plan such as increasing, affordable.

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Single-Family and multi-family housing utilizing green building practices and.

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Optimizing street bicycle and pedestrian connectivity has positively impacted.

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This community and whereas terry, has not only strengthened the planned commission but also has fortified the team in the planning and transportation department, by increasing training opportunities for staff and overseeing a much needed physical.

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Office update and whereas furthering her staff's professional development, terry.

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Encouraged team unity by supervising events such as the office.

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Olympics and providing sustenance in the form of treats not only on rigorous days.

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Of competition, but also for holidays birthdays and days.

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When someone might just need an extra bagel and whereas the years of service terri has dedicated to city of bloomington,.

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Plan commission have dramatically improved the city's land, use development and infrastructure benefiting our community for generations.

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To come, and whereas for all of her contributions to the city of.

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Bloomington's plan commission, we are eternally grateful now. Therefore, john hamilton, mayor of the city of bloomington, does hereby proclaim.

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September 14 2020 as terry porter day and we have the.

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Proclamation uh signed proclamation from the mayor and that will go to terry later this week, so we just wanted to say thank you.

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For your service and uh we're all really grateful for everything you've done for us and if you have something to say, please feel free and I think some of the plan commissioners may as well.

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Thank you, oh thank you so much! Yes, I'm getting choked up here! Thank you.

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I I just wanted to to thank you all um for all of your hard work and and.

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Accomplishments, we've uh we've gotten a lot done over the last.

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Three and a half years, and it seems longer when I think about how.

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Much we've gotten done, um but thank you so much for.

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Your uh dedication, your support and service to the community, and then you.

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Know, of course, it's it's the staff who who make all of this happen.

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It's it's um it's jackie and her team and beth.

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And her team and and scott and and neil and his team and uh the mpo.

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Just everyone is so dedicated and worked so hard and.

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It's just been a a joy to to work with with them and with all of you, and it is.

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The the hardest part uh about retiring.

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I'm very excited about this next phase, but um the hardest part is.

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Not working with these wonderful people and you all every day.

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So, thank you so much for the opportunity.

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Thank you, terry. I I know that uh um there are a few commissioners who.

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Probably have something to say: I see a couple hands going up already. So we'll uh we'll have a few comments here, um we'll.

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Start with uh susan well, terry, it's terry porter day.

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But the day is half done, you know if we didn't own this earlier, we could add.

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Ticker tape, parades and all kinds of stuff, but.

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Kudos to you um and all of your hard work, it's been a.

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Real heavy lift and you have uh managed, through all of it, with with.

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Grace and professionalism, and for that we appreciate you, I will soon be joining you on the.

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Retirement trail as you and I have already discussed in.

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Another private offline conversation so.

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You've earned your time off and um enjoy that and again you have our.

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Gratitude every single one of us. Thank you, terry. Thank you. Thank you.

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Susan, any other uh comments.

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From any other commissioners yeah, I I just wanted to add my appreciation for.

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Terry's commitment, you know when she came onto this, took on.

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This role, it was, I believe, you were thinking about.

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Retiring at that moment in time too, so um thank you for flunking or being.

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Willing to come back and um not be retired at your.

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Earlier kind of thinking about it, so I just want to thank you for for making.

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That what might be a sacrifice in some ways, but.

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You have lent so much professional expertise to this.

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Office- and I just have to say how grateful we are for.

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Your professionalism, the all of the expertise from.

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Past governmental experience that you bring to this role.

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uh You really just brought so much governmental understanding.

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And how to make things happen that I just don't know.

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If we could have accomplished any of this without your strong leadership, so.

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Thank you so much terry, it's you've been an incredible asset to our community.

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Thank you. Thank you so much julian. Thank you.

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Any other comments from commissioners all right. Well I'll, add my two cents.

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Just to say that uh terry, it's been a pleasure to work.

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With you, um uh throughout uh your entire tenure here.

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um On the things that we've agreed on even the things we haven't agreed on.

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You've always been very professional and easy to work with and.

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Made the process go very smoothly and you'll be sorely.

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Missed so thank you for your service. Thank you.

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Brad all right well.

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If uh there are no other uh comments, we'll move on to.

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Any other report, yes, we have another report.

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Yes, um mike ricker is going to give an update.

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On the uh he is the city attorney, he is going to give an.

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Update on the sign amendment uh sign amendment package that you've seen.

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Earlier this year, thank you, commissioners, mike rooker,.

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City attorney, as uh jackie mentioned, um it's it's.

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I feel like this is very trivial following that up, but.

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uh So, as the commission may recall, back in june, there were a number of.

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Initiatives that were proposed by the board of public works by the city.

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Council and of course, a motion was passed by the plan commission as well related to a package of measures designed to assist.

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The local community business community in coping with and.

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Recovering from the pandemic at that time, all of those.

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Measures were set to expire on september 30th, which.

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um It may be hard to remember at the end of may or beginning of june.

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But that seemed at the time, perhaps like a reasonable date.

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To sunset those measures, but of course the pandemic shows absolutely no sign of.

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Slowing down so the city council will be considering.

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A resolution, or at least a resolution, has been drafted for the council's consideration later this month to extend the measures they put into.

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Place relaxing certain standards through december 31st.

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Of this year- and we are also asking the plan commission to exercise its.

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Authority under the unified development ordinance to continue to waive sign application fees for temporary and.

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Permanent signs, through december 31st of this year, if.

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Anybody has any questions or wants to sort of go back and recall the.

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Conversation we had, then we I'd be happy to address those.

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Okay, thank you, mr rocker. Any questions for for mike.

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No, I think it would be appropriate, then, for us to have a motion at this time.

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To um extend that waiver.

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I move approval that we extend the waiver through december 31st.

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All right, uh we have a motion in a second to extend the waiver.

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uh Of sign application fees for temporary and permanent signs through.

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December 31st 2020 um would, I think we should call the roll.

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Listener? Yes, copper! Yes,.

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uh Jackie, can you give kate um co-host ability there we go.

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Yes, thank you. Okay, pharrell, yes, cockrum! Yes,.

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Kinsey, yes, herrera, yes, copper.

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Oh sorry, uh sandberg, yes, st john yes passes.

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Okay, then motion passes any other reports, resolutions or.

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Communications from staff: no, that's all we had.

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Any reports from other commissioners.

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Okay, we will move on to uh petitions. Then we have one petition.

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That uh is continued to the october 12th meeting. That's pud 1720.

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uh This is the mcdole business center petition that we heard last month.

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So we will not hear that tonight that will be.

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Continued to the next meeting- and I believe, is that just automatically.

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Been administratively continued, we don't need to take any action in order to.

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Continue that correct they were able to, they were able.

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To request a continuance, okay, so no action needed all right.

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We do have two items on a consent agenda this evening: the consent agenda for.

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Those of you who are not familiar uh consent agenda is those.

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Items that staff has deemed to be uh non-controversial or that are.

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um uh Are are close enough to the letter of the law that we don't really need to.

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Be granting any uh uh exceptions, and so uh we.

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We uh tend to um approve those petitions by consent.

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So there are two uh items on that agenda tonight: sp-18-20.

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That's hillside manor's holdings llc. uh This is request for site plan.

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Approval at 1028 east hillside drive to allow the.

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Construction of 40 multi-family dwelling units.

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And then also sp-19-20, this is university properties llc. This.

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Is also a site plan approval request for 31 multi-family dwelling units at.

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301 and 305 east 19th street.

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um Are there any commissioners who would like to.

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See either of those petitions removed from the consent agenda and.

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Placed on the agenda for a full hearing.

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Okay, seeing none is there anyone from the public who would like to comment.

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On the consent agenda.

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I see one raised hand yeah. I see one just a sec.

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You should be able to go greg hi um thanks uh hi, I'm greg alexander.

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I have comment on both of these petitions.

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Start with the hillside drive one uh 1028 is east hillside.

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um It's got a lot of parking. Basically, one per bedroom.

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uh Which is pretty disappointing to see, but on the other hand, you understand why.

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It's it's pretty far south it's about as far south as you can get and still be connected to grid streets.

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It's um there's not very good. Sidewalks around there there's a little bit of.

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Sidewalks going east, but you would imagine if any students live there, they will. Some of them will on occasion walk to.

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Campus, even if they usually drive or ride the bus on occasion, there will be students and, like the sidewalk situation on.

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Woodlawn or on park avenue, it's really disappointing, so yeah.

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They're people that live there are going to want to drive, but we have just south of the site um on.

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Thornton is currently it's: it's a unbuilt part of.

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Thornton drive, um I believe it's platted out city owns the right of way as far as I can tell, but um it's in the in the transportation plan.

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It's a future neighborhood greenway. It connects to the we call. It.

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The black lumber rail spur it's it's not going to take people to campus.

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Probably though, if I was going by bike, I probably would take that route to get to campus. I would take the lumber rail spur and all the way to the b line and then take that north to get to campus rather.

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Than you know, there's just a lot of roads that you could. You could avoid fighting with that way, potentially.

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um Depending you know on your mindset, but.

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There should be, I think, a connection to uh that greenway, even though.

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And it's ridiculous, I guess to expect them to to pave out the missing. You know.

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Almost quarter mile of the of the greenway there, but um the way.

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They put the parking, it would almost be in the way of a connection to the greenway, and so I think there should at least be some.

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Consideration, how would we stub out to that greenway when it is developed, um switching gears to the 9th 19th street.

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301 east 19th street project- this is a great project. I love that it's.

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Got what about a 40 uh parking spaces for bedroom.

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It's it's so close to campus and there's so much.

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Missing sidewalk between it and campus, um that's a stunning thing to say, but.

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We've done a lot of development in this area. We've built literally hundreds of new bedrooms. In the last five years. There.

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And none of them are connected by sidewalk to campus we're missing sidewalks on dunn street, between 13th and 17th, we're missing sidewalks on.

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Indiana avenue also between 13th and 17th, we're missing sidewalks we're missing all crosswalks.

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On all sides of 17th and dunn, we're missing sidewalks.

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You know this is this: is a about a block and a half from the the stadium.

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uh Parking lot where they have the the iu.

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Bus station and in that block and a half, we got missing sidewalks on both sides.

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Of 19th street, it's it's just ridiculous! How many sidewalks were missing and the good news is for um the 1800 north walnut project, which.

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You guys approved the site plan. um I think back in march uh that project.

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They're they're, eventually supposed to install sidewalks along the north side of 19th street um and fill in that that gap between.

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There and and the bus stop, but that hasn't happened yet and so people.

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Will be living in this walking in the street, and I I just I that's really unfortunate. I don't think that's a reason to turn down the.

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Project, but it it really is it's just a handicap. We keep.

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Facing again and again because we aren't building the new.

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Sidewalks that we need in really central student neighborhoods.

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Thanks for your time,.

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All right, thank you. Are there any other.

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Members of the public who would like to comment on the consent agenda.

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Janice can go ahead and then we have another.

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One after this uh or no we don't sorry getting some messages here, but janice.

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You can go ahead.

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Janice, are you.

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We can't hear you.

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Sorry janice, I think we're having, I think you may be having.

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Microphone problems, we're not we're not able to hear you.

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If you'd like to um you you're, welcome to.

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To type your comments into the chat and we can.

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um We can have those entered into the record.

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If you're unable to get your audio.

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Working where will the parking entrance be for.

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Hillside uh um on huntington.

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No, so there are currently two driveways on hillside.

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um For the property, that's there now that's vacant and.

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um Those will both go away and there will be an.

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Entrance on huntington, that was the question that janice typed.

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In thank you janice. um Oh.

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And they're marvel does look like it said connecting to audio, maybe.

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Also clarify for mr alexander, um I think this maybe answers this question, but I'm.

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Not sure the um project will be required to put.

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In sidewalk on the entirety of the huntington.

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Frontage all the way down to the thornton.

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Right-Of-Way they can.

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Request a variance from that, if they're, if there's some reason that they think.

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They can't build the whole thing, but that is a requirement of the site.

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All right well, thank you, jackie, for that clarification. Is there.

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Any other public comment on the consent agenda.

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Anything on the facebook feed.

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No nothing on the facebook. Okay, then we are back to uh the commission.

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And I think, ready for a motion.

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But uh someone like to make a motion regarding the consent agenda.

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Do we want to consider these individually or can we put them both.

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Through on the same consent, motion.

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Yeah, typically, what would happen here is just a motion to approve the consent.

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Agenda uh which would which would include both of those items yeah, I don't, um does anyone want to pull.

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These out at all, um if not, I will motion.

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To put both sp 1820 and sp 1920 through on consent, agenda.

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Second, okay, so we have a motion and a second to approve the.

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Consent agenda: could we please call the role.

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Popper yes barrel. Yes, kate! Yes,.

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St john, yes, sandberg, yes, kenzie, yes,.

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Herrera, yes, cochran, yes, whistler.

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Okay, the consent agenda is approved. We are now.

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On to uh our one petition for a full hearing tonight, this is zo.

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20-20 the standard at bloomington llc. This is.

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A request for re-zone of 7.22 acres from planned unit development to mixed-use.

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Student housing at 301, east brownstone, drive.

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The case manager for this petition is eric ruler.

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It's eric here to present. Yes, I I am here. uh Hopefully everybody.

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Can see my screen excellent, thank you chris. uh So this is.

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A request um for the standard at bloomington for property at 301, east brownstone drive. This is on northeast side of town on the.

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South side of 14th street to the east of this site is dunn street.

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Indiana railroad tracks runs along the south side of this property.

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14Th street runs along the north side to the north of this. You have a mix of.

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Single-Family housing within the garden hill, historic district.

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As well as you have the terra trace apartments just to the north of this.

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uh To the west, you have some mixed use: commercial development with some.

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Multi-Family to the east of this on the east side of dunn, you have both the mix.

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Of a single family, as well as a duke.

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Substation, so this property has been developed.

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With a multi-family apartment complex, this was approved as a planned unit.

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Development in the early 1980s, the petitioners.

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Coming forward tonight to rezone this, approximately 7.2 acre.

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Property from the current planned unit development, zoning district to the new mixed use, student housing.

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District that was just recently adopted with the.

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New unified development ordinance, so the site, as I mentioned, has been.

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Developed with multi-family apartments, there's a private drive that runs.

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Throughout the site, railroad tracks run along the south side.

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uh There are no stands of mature trees on the site.

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There are no sinkholes, uh no steep slopes, uh although the.

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Property does have some great change, as you run from the east side to the west side. There's just a little bit over.

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50 feet of grade change, but it does have a significant amount of frontage.

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Almost 700 feet of frontage along 14th street.

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So the east side of the site is significantly higher than the west side.

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Of the site, so the petitioners are coming forward.

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Tonight to simply re-zone the property, so while we do have.

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Some exhibits showing the conceptual layout of the.

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Property, the renderings of the buildings, the only matter that is really before.

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The plan commission tonight and then probably the next hearing in.

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October is whether the property should be rezoned to the mixed use: student housing district. So.

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The petitioner would have to still come back for final site plan approval um at some point in the future.

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If it gets rezoned um so the only matter that is before the plan commission is.

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Simply the the rezoning of this property um so I'll, just kind of briefly go.

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Through some of the the exhibits that have been submitted.

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But I just want to reiterate: you know the only thing that we're really considering is just the rezoning, um so this exhibit shows some of the.

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Adjacent land uses, um which I mentioned, are the the single.

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Family garden hill district, just to the north and the multi-family.

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To the west of this, you've got the mixed use.

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uh Medium use corridor along walnut and college.

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You've got the railroad tracks and single-family residences to the south.

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um And then the the duke substation and other multi-family uses just to the the.

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Northeast of this, um so one of the things that I'll just.

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Kind of mention uh is the the comprehensive plan that.

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Was just recently adopted uh did highlight the.

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Need to locate student housing outside of the downtown.

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So, just to the north of this site along 17th street, there is the evolve.

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Project that was approved for student housing.

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And then not too long ago earlier this year there was an approval for.

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The motel 6 redevelopment that allowed for student housing.

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So there are two projects that have kind of come forward in the near vicinity of.

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This for student housing, but this site.

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Is currently being used for predominant predominantly that use it is.

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Multi-Family, it is student, oriented uh dunn street.

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Runs along the east side of this site uh that is extremely close to the iu.

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Stadium, where the bus station is um so this site is, is certainly very.

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Unique uh with the railroad tracks just to the south that buffers this from the single family district you've got a multi-family project immediately to the north of this.

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uh You've got a mixture of uses just to the east of this.

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So there's a wide range of uses that surround this property.

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So I'm just going to kind of step through some of the exhibits that the.

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Petitioner has shown um for the possible redevelopment of.

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This site, if the rezoning is approved, um as I mentioned, there is some grade.

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Change that happens along the site, um so this exhibit shows the west side.

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Of the of the site, um so this is the single.

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uh Or the kind of one-story portion of the building that would step up to the.

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Four-Story five-story portion and kind of continue that elevation.

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Change as you move east with the six stories along the east.

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Side um so the mixed use student housing district does allow for six story buildings, um so the renderings and the exhibits that have been shown.

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Would meet all of those requirements but again, as I mentioned, we're not reviewing.

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That we're just simply using this for kind of a illustrative.

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Purposes of how this could look.

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um So another exhibit again uh just kind of showing the rendering here, but.

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Taking into account some of the adjacent uses and how this would fit in.

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As I mentioned, the terra trace apartments is on the north side of this.

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Site so in the foreground here you can see those buildings. um Those are two-story kind of three-story.

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In appearance um just to the the south of this and the.

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Background of this, um you can certainly see the downtown.

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The railroad tracks are elevated, approximately 15.

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20 feet or so from the ground elevation, so that does buffer.

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A significant view of this project from the neighborhood to the south.

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But I expect more renderings would be submitted for that.

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When development time comes to the site plan, approval.

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So the site plan would show a series of buildings.

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um Three three buildings: um these would be multi-story buildings.

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uh The central building would have a parking garage.

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There would be an internal drive that would circle around that.

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As well as three connections along 14th street.

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And then a possible connection over on dun street that would protect.

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Primarily serve as a fire department, emergency access.

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So the site currently has several drive cuts on 14th street.

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But as I mentioned, given the significant amount of frontage on 14th street.

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uh The three drive cuts that are shown would not be out of character.

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And help serve to break up the massing of the building as well.

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um So the renderings also kind of show how that the building would be broken up.

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With the massing, um but I don't want to focus too much on.

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That, because again, that would something to be developed with the site plan approval, so one other thing that is certainly.

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Important to note about this site is access to the.

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Bloomington transit service, so 14th street is on a bus route.

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uh It circles around 14th street to dun street.

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And then south on indiana, so the exhibits, as you see now, is current.

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The is the current um bus service plan. um There are some changes that.

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Bloomington transit is looking at making uh in regards to service this area. 14Th.

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Street is is still going to be a corridor along.

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Here so this location along a bus route is, is.

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Certainly ideal for students, the proximity to indiana university.

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Assembly hall on the stadium, the bus service just to the north.

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Also makes this an ideal location, so this will continue to be served by.

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Transit as well as it has pedestrian corridors along 14th street new sidewalks would be installed along.

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14Th street, as well as along dunn street.

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So one of the things, certainly with the rezoning request that has to be taken.

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Into account is comprehensive plan guidance and, as I.

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Mentioned at the beginning part of this presentation. There are several areas of.

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The comprehensive plan that do address student housing, uh the location.

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Of it, the need to orient that development for.

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Students out of the downtown, where we've certainly seen a proliferation of that and to focus that in areas that are.

L

Closer to campus- and this this certainly does accomplish.

L

A lot of those goals of the comprehensive plan, uh the location is appropriate. uh It's adjacent to multi-family.

L

There is the garden hill historic district to the north, so we'll be.

L

Coordinating with them when final site plan comes forward for.

L

Kind of some cursory review of the architecture and comments from them.

L

The petitioners already have already had a couple of neighborhood meetings with.

L

Some of the adjacent residents just to kind of get feedback from them, um but again we'll kind of follow up with that. A.

L

Little bit closer as it comes time for um site plane review. So there are.

L

Certainly, a lot of areas of the comprehensive plan that this petition accomplishes um as one of the things that we would be.

L

Reviewing would also be the affordability and workforce housing.

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Component of this, the petitioners have already committed.

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To providing at least 15 percent of the units.

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That would be meeting that housing goal. Several upgrades to this corridor would.

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Also be accomplished with this petition if the rezoning is approved and the site.

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Plan comes forward, so there are many areas of this plan and.

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The rezoning request that would accomplish a lot of the goals of the community and the city's approved documents, so we've included the.

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Criteria that would be reviewed with the comprehensive plan.

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Relevant to this that the udo requires we did not make any findings in the.

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Report simply listing these conditions and criteria.

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So the planning commission kind of has that in front of them and they can comment on those. So we are recommending that this be this.

L

Petition be forwarded to the second hearing um and with that I'm happy to answer any questions.

A

Okay, are there any questions from commissioners.

A

uh I guess maybe before we go there is there anyone from the.

A

um From the petitioner who'd like to add anything to that presentation,.

A

Eric do you know, is there a representative of the petitioner with us.

L

uh Yeah I saw kendall on here so uh kendall should be able to see kendall.

C

Just a sec kendall, you should be able to hear.

M

Everybody kendall, kenobi smith. Rehab. Can you hear me.

M

Yes, great um yeah, we have a brief presentation to kind of introduce you to.

M

The developer and kind of what's planned for the site as part of the rezone just to augment uh eric's presentation. Well, we can keep it very brief. If you guys would like to.

M

A

Yeah, please continue the floor. Is yours? Okay, do you mind if I share my screen.

M

C

Yeah, just a second kendall. Let me set you up for that. Okay,.

M

And then, uh once I get that shared we'll have aaron with the development team.

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Landmark to kind of introduce you to the project here so.

M

Okay looks like it's: working, yep and aaron should be set to go.

N

Okay, all right sorry, justin uh good evening, members of the planning.

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Commission, I just wanted to thank you uh first for uh taking the time to meet.

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With us today, my name is aaron stang and I represent.

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The owner and developer of this project landmark properties, landmark's.

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We're vertically integrated real estate company with development general.

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Contractor and property management divisions.

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We invest our own cash and then we build and manage those properties.

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Our strategy is to develop multi-family properties adjacent to major unibur.

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Universities whereby we cater the design and function of those buildings.

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To attract student runners, our projects have several advantages for the.

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Community that we develop in including relocating existing renters out of.

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Single family homes, which often improves community relations.

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And by significantly increasing tax contributions via the redevelopment of often underutilized or blighted sites,.

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Landmark is the largest student housing developer in the united states.

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We presently have in excess of 9 500 beds across the country.

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We've got projects nearest to bloomington, including urbana,.

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Illinois louisville kentucky and ann arbor michigan.

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um As well as many others, as you can see on this map here,.

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uh Our projects typically include 24-hour on-site property management.

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uh And substantial study and leisure leisure space.

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Catered to residents when we began studying this site, you know we took. We.

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Took note of the comp plan policy eric eric previously touched on in his.

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Presentation this project is not in the downtown area.

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Includes diverse housing with substantial, affordable component.

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It's near existing public transit and is adjacent to campus.

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Our residents will experience better walkability to both the academic corps.

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And downtown areas when compared to other student oriented properties in.

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Bloomington and so on, the next few slides I just.

N

Wanted to flip through slowly some of the representative architecture that we've had.

N

Had done on other projects in the past.

M

And from here all right thanks aaron and uh go ahead.

M

I'm just stand up fasten it to you, kendall. It's all yours.

N

Okay uh yeah. I just wanted to touch briefly.

M

This is kendall again with smith breod, for the record. uh We have coordinated.

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With the city kind of preliminarily leading up to this point,.

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And so I just wanted to highlight some utility upgrades that will be done.

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If the rezone and the site plan project are approved,.

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Some sanitary sewer and water main upgrades, as shown here.

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uh Just highlighting this slide again, you know the the walkability component.

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Is very important, as that will be uh the primary routes. People will be.

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Taking from the development to campus, and it looks like.

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Touching on sidewalk infrastructure, everything is pretty much built out.

M

Depending on where you're headed on campus, it looks like there's pretty much.

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Sidewalks already existing and as eric touched on.

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Transit connectivity is available nearby uh and then one more thing I wanted to.

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Touch on is, um there is a planned uh bicycle.

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Corridor that'll kind of potentially in the future.

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Cut through this area here, so we as part of preliminary coordination.

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Have agreed to dedicate to the city a 20-foot, pedestrian and bicycle access.

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Easement through the site and eventually, if that.

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Corridor is completed and the rail crossing done- and maybe something done through here- that would be a complete.

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Rail greenway kind of north south through the city, so that was something.

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That was very important early on to get.

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Coordinated so we've we've agreed to do that as well and just to kind of zoom in on the side a little bit, I'm now going to hand it over to bkb the architect.

M

To just kind of touch on a few things with the architecture.

C

Who needs to be unmuted for that kendall.

M

C

Justin, maybe.

M

uh Jack borman, I think it's up as j-o-b oh got it.

D

There you go yeah hold on oh shoot,.

C

Okay should be able to unmute himself.

O

Yeah there we go all right, hello, everybody.

O

um Let me get this off to the screen here.

O

Okay, can everyone hear me yes, so we can you're good.

O

All right, great okay! Well, um if, if you could go to the next slide, that.

O

Would uh because we've kind of seen this slide several times.

O

In in in doing the rezoning and doing the massing and the overall design.

O

We spent quite a bit of time walking the site.

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Walking through the commercial area walking from the university to the site,.

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14Th is obviously a main main walking path as well as done.

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And uh so we we just wanted you to know that we spent a lot of time.

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Trying to walk the site and see what the context really was and to see how it.

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Connected next so.

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A major part of of being able to um sort of designed this building to fit.

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Into the neighborhood well was to look at the grid system with.

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Lincoln and dunn, and and that through view corridor off.

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To the residential to the south, and uh so.

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That was a big part of what this project will be able.

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To achieve as the rezoning is improved and.

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The key is that we're looking at this as as three.

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Buildings they they work together as a grouping.

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But they're all going to be a little bit different, different brick colors.

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Different siding colors so that they sort of.

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Fit better into the overall scale of this mixed-use area.

O

Next slide, this is the view at dunn. In 14th, we have some retail at the.

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Ground floor some amenity space, the basic design, is a is a street scape.

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Ground floor activated level with with housing, units and amenity spaces and.

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Retail and then three houses, three levels of of.

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Housing above that with balconies lots of windows and glass.

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Combinations of brick panel siding and storefront.

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If you go to the next slide as we walk down 14.

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Okay, here is shows the three individual buildings.

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And we were just here at building three entry and and as you move.

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Through the walk down 14th there's about 35 to 40 foot of.

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Of of drop and the build the the four-story building.

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Goes the building? Two is four story with a walkout level.

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So it's five on one one end and then it we drop the entire building down again.

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And then it's four story and by the time we get down to the far.

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West end, it's uh uh it's! It's five stories as a walkout.

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Where the amenities at so this this, I think.

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Shows that we have a cream-colored brick on building three.

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More of a tan colored, brick on building one and and.

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And then more of a neutral palette on on on.

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Building one so next, please.

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This just further illustrates the the emphasis on.

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The pedestrian access and walkway along 14th, we have a 20 to 25 foot setback.

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There we have a series of actual entries to.

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The ground level terrorist apartments uh there in the.

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Center is our uh leasing, office and main central area.

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You can also see back behind that how we're screening.

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All the parking with housing, so the parking is.

O

Is is never visible from the streets? The lower areas show some of the individual.

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Terrace units, which would be really create a very nice walkable.

O

Residential texture next, please, then, down at the far.

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uh West end of the site, we we, we have a two level.

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Of amenity space with four levels of housing, above that.

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Everything is screened, we have two courtyards.

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That are all internal, so there's they're all screened from surrounding.

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Neighborhood areas, as well as these in these amenity spaces.

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At the west end of the building next, please.

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This illustrates- and you saw saw this earlier about.

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How the three buildings are sort of stepping down the hill.

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Opened up between them, so they reinforce the overall grid.

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And view corridor of the neighborhood next.

O

A

Okay, thank you. um Are there any anyone else um from the petitioner.

A

That uh would like to add anything, or does that conclude the.

A

Presentation, that's all we have for now we'll be available for questions as well.

A

Okay, great we'll go then to questions from commissioners for either the.

A

Petitioner or for staff.

A

I see mr cochran has a question. Okay, so um I noticed in kendall's letter.

P

It talked about um you know the pud, so eric.

P

Could you talk about, maybe the current uses of the pd and the.

P

Recommendation to change the zoning, and maybe some of the uses in the.

P

Current pud and some of the reasoning why uh the.

P

Changing of the the zoning for to uh you know, uh mixed-use student.

P

Housing, yeah absolutely chris, so so this uh this.

L

Case was approved in the early 80s, and this was this is a.

L

This is a single use pud, um so there was, there was no use approved for this site.

L

Other than multi-family, um which it if you can read through the minutes.

L

From that case file back then, it actually started out as a different.

L

Petition and the only reason that they made it a pud at the time.

L

Was to try to address some of the concerns of the adjacent neighbors.

L

That spoke out at that time, so certainly it would not meet a lot of our any of.

L

Our standards currently for a pud, it's not a mixed use, it doesn't have a.

L

Wide range of things that we're always looking for so changing.

L

So one of the things that we did consider with this petition was simply amending the pud. However, all of the a lot of the current.

L

Requirements that are in the zoning code for puds this would not be meeting.

L

Meaning mixed use, so what the petitioners are requesting to do with.

L

The site is exactly the intent of the mixed-use.

L

Student housing district, they are proposing a single use.

L

Development that would be following all of those standards, so it really did not make sense to perpetuate the pud, but to.

L

Rezone this to exactly the district that would support what they're looking to do.

P

Okay, I do have one follow-up question, um so the proposed height of the new.

P

Project, what what is the proposed height, so they they've got it a maximum of six.

L

Stories, and so that is on the east side of the site, so the the height limit.

L

In the mixed use, district, uh the mixed use, single or mixed view, student housing.

L

District is six stories not to exceed 75 feet.

L

um So they are meeting that standard they're meeting. All the setback.

L

Requirements, the impervious surface, all of the standards of the district.

L

They are, they are working to accomplish from the architectural drawings. It looks.

P

Like it's, I mean well under the 75. Is that correct or are.

P

They are they tipping out at the 75., um so at the far east end of the site.

L

They're kind of getting really close to that um you know they're working with the grade change along the site.

L

um To kind of adjust that massing as you move.

L

East towards dunn street, but the west side of the site.

L

You know, as I kind of shown on that first slide was a single story kind of.

L

Building uh stepping up to kind of three and four stories um so on the east end of the site is where they're getting at that.

L

Six stories: 75 foot height, limit, perfect thanks eric.

P

You're welcome okay, commissioner sandberg.

G

Thank you, and I don't know if it was mr stang who alluded.

G

Who made the comment about part of your strategy? I mean.

G

Obviously you are a student housing, that's kind of your specialty.

G

But you do you, try to relocate out of single-family home.

G

Areas, uh could you speak a little bit about that and is that just a function.

G

Of your marketing, and as to making.

G

These properties more uh appealing to students, so perhaps they're.

G

Tempted to leave single-family areas into.

G

The more mixed-use residential areas so close to campus.

G

I think he may need to be unmuted. Aaron sting.

N

Hi susan, thank you for asking a question. Yes, so.

N

You know what I would say is that you know.

N

When you look at like most, students like we're from our companies actually from.

N

Athens, georgia, okay, so it's it's not a town to, unlike bloomington, in the sense that you know there are a significant.

N

Number of students in that in our town- and you know.

N

When, when student housing is developed right, it typically pulls from what we.

N

Call the shadow market, so in this case the shadow market is.

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What we refer to as what would otherwise be single family.

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Homes that are not owner occupied, and so when you put up a large scale.

N

Development, like this students like to be around each other, they like to be close to campus, and in this case I think we're providing.

N

A lot of those attractive features for students benefits of the community is, you know, look when when.

N

You know owner-occupied residents are in the same neighborhoods as student.

N

Runners there's sometimes conflict and there's sometimes you know, maybe not an appreciation of youth.

N

For lack of a better term, uh and so what we see.

N

Is that oftentimes when a market becomes more developed and there are more.

N

There is more purpose-built student housing product, it allows.

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Those students to move out of those single-family owner-occupied.

N

Neighborhoods and into purpose-built products where they're, where they're frankly, better managed, because you know 24-hour.

N

On-Site management, we oftentimes, will have a police officer.

N

Who's a resident in our building, um so I mean there's things like that:.

N

That, I think, really enhance the appeal. Okay, that answers that answers the.

G

Question somewhat, but again, there's not really an attempt to do any recruiting.

G

uh Or marketing, it's just that, it's just by nature of the of the amenities you.

G

Provide it tends to be that natural draw. That's.

N

Correct yeah, we we're not uh we're agnostic as to where.

N

Our students come from to a certain extent. I mean you know. Obviously the goal uh is is for a predominantly with.

N

With the exception of a substantial amount of affordable in this.

N

Project um which would be a combination of workforce and.

N

Affordable housing, our student portion.

N

Yeah, we are agnostic as to where that comes from great. Thank you.

A

Any other questions from commissioners, commission mckinsey.

E

I have one question about the amenities. I think they were.

E

Described as facing west, can you say a little bit more about.

E

What's planned for that aspect and how it's integrated, with the.

E

Property, that's west, if it is integrated at all.

E

What's the transition there.

E

I guess that's to the petitioner.

N

uh Yeah jack is that something you want to answer? Do you want me to take this.

N

One, uh I guess we can't talk at the same.

N

C

No, he just needs to unmute there. He goes yeah, okay, great.

O

um In in in that last slide on on the west side, there there was an.

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Effort when we talked to the neighborhood groups- and uh you know sort of wanted to understand kind of.

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Their concerns and whatnot the the idea of screening all of the.

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Amenity spaces was considered to be important and we we.

O

We took that to heart and so that west area, which is uh the.

O

Only amenity space- that's really at grade, uh is you know, ad grade that.

O

You can that's not incorporated within the buildings. Is.

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Screened with with uh with landscape walls, all the way.

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Around so that and they're they're above eye.

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Eye level and then we have plantings along that far west side to kind of buffer it from there. And we.

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Have a driveway there as well, so so that was our effort to.

O

To try screening, martin yeah and then also just add one other thing here.

N

When we originally studied this concept, we actually had the amenities.

N

On the roof- and you know, I think, via community feedback.

N

And people seem to not be okay with that, because, primarily of noise projection.

N

uh From an elevated height- and so I think this was kind of.

N

One of the approaches that we took to address that concern.

O

Then I I would also add that at that one neighborhood meeting.

O

We located the outdoor amenity space at the lowest part of the site.

O

Because the rail tracks are fairly flat, whereas.

O

Our site falls off so there's about a 25 foot embankment there.

O

That screens, all of that amenity area from the neighbors.

O

On on the other side of the tracks plus screening, it.

O

From the neighbor directly to the west- and uh you can't see it on 14th either.

O

So, thank you. Thanks. You're welcome.

A

All right, commissioner john, um I just have two questions.

I

um Could you talk about that rail crossing? I think I heard you say that.

I

There's a trail that's going to go south across or under the railroad.

I

Tracks did I miss hear that.

M

Oh yeah, this is kendall. Can you hear me yep.

M

Okay uh yeah that so the grant street is something that's, maybe possibly.

M

In the future, planned coordinating with the transportation department.

M

It they haven't any, they don't have anything firm yet.

M

But the idea would be, you could do a crossing at the rail whether it's a.

M

Tunnel or an at-grade crossing, you could continue.

M

North besides the student or the multi-family.

M

Housing development directly north of 14th that grant street corridor is pretty much continuous.

M

For a long very long way- and it's it's two-way, the entire way, it's not one.

M

Way through downtown, which most of the other streets become one way.

M

So it's just a good candidate for something like that, and even though they don't have a concrete plan at this time, they wanted to plan for the future, even if it's 10 20 years out. So that's kind of the idea.

M

Behind the the rail crossing there.

I

Great thank you and to my last question, um and I don't know if this is for eric.

I

Or kendall, but could you just say a little bit more about the 15.

I

Workforce housing is that a commitment is that a maybe.

I

Is that a I can speak to that all right eric can, but I'll jump in this is.

C

Jackie's handling um development services manager, it's actually 15 of beds. I think we said units, uh but it's actually beds.

C

Which is an agreement that the developer and uh the administration came to before.

C

The new code was put into place, so we've talked extensively about it with the.

C

Legal department, um because that doesn't meet the new code requirement exactly, um but uh the agreement was made and.

C

There could be a very strong argument for the fact that that was.

C

Vested uh because they worked on it for so long, so it is fifteen percent of.

C

Beds and then the developer and eric crutchman, if I'm.

C

Wrong does um uh get to choose the makeup of what.

C

Types of units they they um use to meet that requirement.

C

Whereas in the new code, it's required to meet uh the percentage.

C

So if you have you know, half one beds and half two beds, then your any.

C

Contribution has to meet that um half and half uh so.

C

uh That is, is agreed to was agreed to before the filing even happened, so that.

C

Will go forward as a condition of approval and.

C

Just to clarify, um because I know there are some.

C

Questions design, questions and when we see projects like this that come in.

C

That are, you know so far down the road.

C

We do try to clarify, but it does get a little muddied, um that this is just the.

C

Rezone portion, so you all are just looking at whether or.

C

Not this is an appropriate area for mixed student housing. It is helpful to.

C

See what project they intend to build? Were they to not build this? uh Someone.

C

Else could come forward with a project that meets studio requirements.

C

um For that zoning district um and it's different than what you've seen I.

C

Think, in other places, where we've done puds, where they're not.

C

Setting any of their own standards so height and massing in pervious surfaces.

C

All those things will have to meet what we've already agreed to last year to put into the new code, um so they will be held to all of that, and you will see it. Of course,.

C

um But just as a clarification, not to anything, you specifically said foreign.

C

But just because I'm already talking, but yes it's um back to your question.

C

Specifically, it's 15 of feds, and that is an agreement that.

C

Will go forward with the rezone and be required because they have.

C

Offered that and already worked it out with the administration yeah. Okay, thank.

I

You that helps that clarification, because that does seem to be part of.

I

Thinking about every zone too a little bit and it's important to our community, so I really appreciate that. So, thank you sure.

C

A

Any other questions from commissioners.

A

I see commissioner sandberg has a question. Thank you. There has been.

G

Mention of some meetings that you've already had with the surrounding.

G

Neighborhoods, uh could I ask specifically- and there.

G

May be some people in the zoo room tonight that may speak up from.

G

The garden hill neighborhood, the ones- that's perhaps going to be most impacted.

G

By this, if there's been any particular concerns.

G

Or complaints that have already been addressed before we get to this point to talk about the rezone.

G

I don't know if that would be for administration.

L

Last year uh had two meetings. uh You know about a month two months apart.

L

uh That was uh sent out to both the garden hill district to the.

L

North, uh as well as the old northeast neighborhood.

L

On the south side of the railroad tracks, uh the first meeting.

L

uh I'd say: there's probably 10 or 12 members of the adjacent neighborhoods.

L

That came to speak uh and then again at the second meeting, a.

L

Lot of those same neighbors came out uh again just to kind of see, and so the.

L

Purpose of those meetings was to the first meeting was just to kind of.

L

Get an interest from the neighborhood of what were their concerns. What did they.

L

Want to see what did they not want to see.

L

And they took those ideas they went to. The drawing board came up with some.

L

Basic kind of masking models, site plans and then came back again.

L

A month or two later and showed those again to the neighborhood to see if that.

L

Was kind of in line with uh the comments and the thoughts and the.

L

Concerns those seem to be very productive.

L

Conversations and meetings, um so the petitioner had just kind of been.

L

Working on things, in the background for several months and and you know, came.

L

Forward to file a month ago, to kind of formally.

L

Initiate the process uh now that they've had those informal.

L

Meetings with the neighborhood thanks eric you're welcome.

A

Any other questions from commissioners.

A

Okay, seeing that we will move on to public comment.

A

um If you are uh here from the public- and you wish to comment.

A

um Just in the participants, tab click on that little button at the.

A

Bottom, that says raise hand and uh we'll unmute you and uh and.

A

Recognize you, um when uh you're called on please state.

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Your name for the record and then you'll have up to five minutes.

A

To make comment so: um okay,.

A

Greg yeah we've got greg first, I think.

C

Mr alexander, you can go ahead. Great thanks.

K

I'm greg alexander, um I'm really excited to see.

K

uh That we're switching a pud to an existing zoning type, the ms zone.

K

um That's we should really get rid of all of the puds in town, I'm just gonna.

K

Going to be an absolutist about that, it was a mistake to allow so much the city.

K

To be developed without uniform standards, um and it's.

K

It's good to see that that's being rectified.

K

I I think you know one of the reasons this project makes so much sense is that.

K

It's replacing existing student housing, you know brownstone terrace, but that draws attention to a.

K

Displacement problem- um and I know we don't care about students.

K

We just look at them as a burden right, but this this existing student housing is relatively affordable. It's between 400.

K

And 700 a month per bedroom, I just looked as if.

K

I was renting and that's that's a valuable thing in.

K

Our community that, if the only place people are allowed to build new student housing, is where there's existing old student.

K

Housing then we're going to have this pattern more and more often where the.

K

Relatively affordable large number of bedroom units that we have.

K

And we already had this with dunhill just across 17th street, from this.

K

Development- uh and I I don't know a great solution.

K

For that, but we need to preserve some of these older buildings, even though they're kind of crappy, because they are affordable.

K

And this new building there's no way this is not going to be an affordable building for a long time. Of course, I gotta talk about sidewalks.

K

um We are missing so many sidewalks in this neighborhood guys.

K

uh Like to get to campus, you have to cross the railroad tracks and.

K

um For some reason, we haven't been able to get the railroad to maintain.

K

Vegetation that hangs on the sidewalks like 13th street, where it runs parallel to the railroad track. Vegetation is always.

K

Obstructing that sidewalk um indiana avenue where it goes under.

K

The road tracks there's always vegetation hanging over those retaining walls blocking the sidewalk walnut where it goes under the railroad.

K

Tracks, there's always vegetation hanging down blocking the sidewalk and the city is unwilling to do anything about it. The railroad is unwilling to do.

K

Anything about it and I almost say we should just not build any student housing north of the railroad tracks until we figure out how to maintain a pedestrian crossing across the railroad tracks, because there's not a single one in the whole city. That's that's even remotely clear most.

K

Of the time the one that I live on on madison street, it's blocked again believe it or not. They only clear the vegetation once.

K

Every summer sometimes twice and that's just not enough.

K

um And that that's a really big problem it. The situation is so bad that, for a.

K

Long time, students used to cross the railroad illegally at uh at.

K

Dunn street they had kind of forwarded a crossing through a gravel pit there that crossed the railroad and that was very popular crossing. I I used to walk on that railroad with my kids and every time I did. I would see.

K

Multiple students um coming from this from the brownstone terrace to campus.

K

Across the road tracks illegally, well, they fence that off and you can't do.

K

That anymore, there's no crosswalks; undone, there's no crosswalks on indiana there's no sidewalks on indiana.

K

Going northbound and why would you go northbound because there's the bus.

K

Station the campus bus station is at at 17th and done basically.

K

And I've I've read you reports, students. Actually they come here and they're, not.

K

Engaged in our community and even so, they figure out how to interact with city governments, say: there's no sidewalks between my apartment at brownstone terrace and the bus station. Just three blocks.

K

Away and that's just such a long standing problem and we're building just.

K

Literally, if we build this it'll be on the order of uh 1500 bedrooms in the.

K

Last, you know five years that that are gonna.

K

Suffer from this one section of missing: sidewalk undone and it's it's just absurd. um Speaking of absurd 681 parking spaces, my god.

K

uh I mean if they want to build empty parking spaces. I guess.

K

I can't stop them, but I kind of wish you guys could.

K

And one other issue about college and walnut is.

K

You know they're, it sounds like they they're. Looking at a couple.

K

Storefronts, commercial storefronts and I love that.

K

You know that's three blocks from my house um and I would like to think that I might go to that store.

K

But the fact the matter is that walnut and college are highways.

K

And I don't like walking across them, I have to sometimes but.

K

I'm going to be really reluctant to visit that store, even though it is so.

K

Close to my house, because walnut and college are such a.

K

Prohibitive environment for pedestrians and the transportation plan, the draft.

K

Transportation plan the staff prepared, for you said we need to calm while not in college, and you guys.

K

You jerks you took that out. So put that back in the plan. You don't need.

K

To sabotage every commercial development along this corridor to pedestrian access.

K

You can say we should redesign collagen wanna thanks so much for your time.

A

I know you don't really think we're jerks right.

C

He doesn't, um but I wanted to be on the record.

A

Yeah uh brad, we had one more gentleman that I know wanted to speak. He asked me.

C

Earlier, how to do it and looks like maybe he got booted, so just I'm just saying it now in case he comes back.

C

um I might ask you if it's okay, if he speaks, but I don't see any other hands.

C

At this time, okay yeah, certainly if, uh if there's someone who's.

A

Having technical difficulty we'll we'll do our best to accommodate them.

A

Is there anyone else um who has not made themselves known yet uh again if.

A

You want to give comment: just click on participants at the bottom.

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Of your screen and then click on the uh raise.

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Hand button at the bottom of that tab or just.

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Turn on your camera and wave your hands furiously and we'll.

A

Probably see you.

A

Not seeing any okay well we'll come back to commissioners, then.

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For any additional questions or final comment or.

A

Or a motion, any other questions or comments from commissioners.

E

Yeah, I have one just to talk a little bit about.

E

Greg alexander's comment about the sidewalks, and I mean I think we're.

E

All in favor of trying to get more passable.

E

Walkways so I don't think we're opposed to that as just kind of how to make it.

E

Happen- and I wonder if we could just talk about.

E

That right now just to get it out, and I I realize that's not part of the.

E

Rezone request, but let's just we may as well have a conversation about it since.

E

He raised some of the issues um is: does the petitioner or eric do you want to address anything with the sidewalk issues and and maybe even the rail crossing.

E

L

Yeah I I I'm trying to share my screen here so.

L

The the rail crossing that that is, that that's an extremely complicated.

L

Issue, uh the railroad is very protective.

L

Of any crossings they they certainly don't want any more. They don't want to.

L

Encourage pedestrians in that area for vehicular connections, at least.

L

Any additional vehicular connection that you want you.

L

Usually have to get rid of at least one, if not two.

L

Other connections somewhere else so working with the railroad.

L

Is is very difficult to say the least. um You know there are sidewalks currently.

L

Along the south side of dunn street uh and along.

L

This property frontage, uh the petitioner, is certainly going to be.

L

Upgrading both pedestrians connectivity along 14th and dunn street.

L

10 foot sidewalks at the very least with tree plots.

L

We're looking at possible connections along the railroad.

L

To the south east west, through this site as well.

L

Offsite improvements are not required um with rezonings, but they.

L

Are rezonings are certainly discretionary. That is certainly something that could be discussed, but is not a requirement. um You know one.

L

Of the biggest problems with off-site improvements always is right away to work within.

L

You know if there are connections that can be done.

L

We can certainly discuss those further. You know anything that is adjacent or on.

L

This property frontage is, is fair game. um Anything beyond that is is a little.

L

Bit harder in terms of discussion and can't be.

L

Required um but you know we're we're always able.

L

To to look at those improvements.

L

But there there are some gaps here, certainly um you know, but it.

L

The petitioners can't always fix everything.

L

That is adjacent to a property. You know, especially if it's a significant.

L

Distance away, but they can certainly fix and are required to bring a property into compliance along their front edges.

C

um If I could add as well, this picture is kind of.

C

Old, um I'm gonna show you something.

C

Hold on related to the railroad crossing, I think you can see this screen.

C

um So the railroad crossing- you can't see very well in this area but in the.

C

Old aerial that eric showed the I think, the weather, walking path.

C

Is um adjacent to lincoln, I believe, or coming off the end of lincoln.

C

And actually a third-party developer owns property on either side of the.

C

Railroad uh uh immediately on the other side of.

C

Lincoln, meaning that um there's only so much we.

C

Can ask of this developer and get something done so this developer only.

C

Has friends with the railroad in this area here.

C

Because the railroad uh decided to sell off portions of their.

C

Kind of unusable land, um which you can kind of see.

C

Go highlighting here when I move the mouse so.

C

Originally, we had internally been discussing what sort of.

C

Things the transportation plan requires related to site plans and rezones and.

C

That you know what what the rail trail expectation was here um and- and we did have those discussions and they're important.

C

And then, but a kind of a something that was.

C

In the back of that was that it kind of is a moot point for this project.

C

Because there's such a small area um that is adjacent to the railroad when.

C

You think of brown, stone, terrace, you're thinking, it's the entirety. You know of.

C

The south side, but it really isn't uh it's just this portion here, so I do.

C

Think they're exploring crossing and maybe with the third party, um I'm not sure that person those people would obviously.

C

Have to be involved, um but uh that's kind of something that I.

C

Think is maybe more long long-term than we initially anticipated.

C

Just to add that in there thanks, thank you thanks for that clarification. I.

E

Suspect this will continue to be an issue as we look at site plan.

E

So thanks yeah, I just want to follow up on.

I

Commissioner kinsey's question and jackie, thank you um for that explanation. So, just to clarify these are mostly.

I

Students who are going to be moving east or southeast towards campus.

I

In terms of walking, so they can get even if the I would love that if.

I

That new crossing was built at the railroad, but even if that's not.

I

They can still take the indiana and walk underneath there. People do that.

I

All the time- okay, yes, very heavily, traveled.

L

Pedestrian corridor along yeah, but then you just yeah and then you.

I

Just go four blocks from the east side of that.

I

Property four blocks and there's a sidewalk: it's you have to.

I

Jog, I think, on on on 13th, but it takes you to woodlawn.

I

Which is brand new, huge path that takes you directly into the center of campus.

I

So I I'm not, I, I would love there to be a.

I

Sidewalk on the south side of 13th, and I would love for all the sidewalks to be.

I

Fixed undone because I agree um with the public mr alexander's.

I

Comments, but I think there is some pretty nice connection, not.

I

Too far, four blocks on 13th street to get you to.

I

A major entry into campus, so I just wanted to add that on to.

I

Commissioner, kinsey's.

I

A

All right, thank you. Any other comments from commissioners.

A

Questions we're ready for a motion uh as a reminder, the staff.

A

Recommendation is that we uh continue this to a second hearing at.

A

Our october meeting, I move that we continue case uh zo 2020.

J

To a second hearing at our october meeting.

E

Second, oh, we had a race for the second. There.

A

Who won billion all right mckenzie seconds.

A

um All right any any final comment um before we call the roll.

A

All right, we are ready to call the roll on the motion to continue.

A

This to our october meeting.

B

Yes, herrera, yes, cochran, yes,.

B

Yes, kate, yes kinsey! Yes,.

B

John was that st john? Yes, yes.

I

Whistler, yes, copper.

I

Yes, thank you, okay, so the motion passes um that.

A

Petition is continued, and that is our.

A

Final agenda item for the evening um highly unusual, but we're gonna.

A

Adjourn before 7pm.

A

Thank you all, and thanks again, terry for all the service.

A

And we'll see y'all in october.

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