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A
Okay,
let
me
call
to
order
this
meeting
of
the
city
of
bloomington
plan.
Commission.
A
All
right,
so
we
do
have
a
quorum
before
we
jump
in
and
and
pick
up
with,
zeo
09-21
are.
A
There
any
any
other
reports
or
communications
from
staff
or
commissioners
before
we
get
started.
B
You
will
describe
re-vote
on
amendment
three
yep.
That
would
be
it
okay,
so
we
are
essentially.
A
Picking
up
where
we
left
off
after
the
last
meeting
on
monday,
as
you
may
recall,
we
we
did.
A
With
the
vote
on
amendment
three,
where
we
made
a
slight
error
in
process
there,
because
our
rules.
A
Appropriately,
so
we're
gonna
start
by
just
just
calling
the
role
once
again
on
amendment
three.
A
To
make
sure
that
everything
is
is
appropriately
recorded.
A
And
then,
once
we're
done
with
that,
we
will
be
back
to
final
comments.
Final
debate.
A
Recommendation
on
009-21
so
to
begin
jackie,
would
you
just
call
the
call
the
roll
again.
A
A
Number
three,
which
was
was
eliminating
the,
would
you
mind
repeating
the
amendment
so.
B
The
separation
of
150
feet
for
approved
duplexes
in
the
r1
through
r3.
B
The
150
feet
for
two
years.
The
amendment
was
to
remove
that
you
specific
standard.
D
What
needs
to
be
united
yeah
so
so
so,
basically,
when
we
took
the
vote
to
suspend
the
rules.
A
And
continue
the
meeting
on
monday
night,
because
that
vote
wasn't
unanimous.
A
We
technically
should
have
ended
the
meeting
at
9
pm.
We
didn't
realize
at
the
time
that
that
vote.
A
A
And
that
vote
isn't
is
isn't
valid
because
it
happened
after
the
meeting
should
have
ended.
A
D
A
B
Case
we
get
to
that
point
tonight
and
have
that
discussion
again
yeah.
If
we
do
that
again,.
A
And
that
that's
totally
my
fault,
I
didn't
realize
that
vote
needed
to
be
unanimous.
We
there.
A
Was
a
majority
that
wanted
to
continue
meeting
but
going
forward,
we'll
keep
in
mind
that
that's.
A
A
New
after
9pm
great
okay,
so
kenzie,
yes,
st
john,
yes,
burrell,
yes,
herrera,
no
seabor,
no
sandberg.
D
A
We
are
now
back
to
zeo09-21
as
amended.
We
have
adopted
two
amendments
to
amendment
two.
A
And
amendment
three,
and
so
we
are
now
just
back
to
our
our
discussion
on
the
petition
as.
A
Amended,
we've
had
a
couple
other
amendments
that
have
been
suggested,
but
I
think
withdrawn.
So
I.
B
F
That's
no
longer
relevant,
so
I
went
ahead
and
withdrew
that
the
only
thing
I
just
wanted.
F
F
F
For
amendment
three
in
and
at
the
same
time
wanted
to
explore
a
cap
as
an
alternative
to
that.
F
Status
of
that
that's
the
status,
there
is
no
additional
amendment
that
speaks
to
caps,
so.
A
A
Any
final
questions
for
staff
or
for
other
commissioners
about
about
09-21,
where
we
stand.
G
Commissioner,
yeah
go
ahead
thanks,
sorry,
so
it
in
addition
to
commissioner
kate's
response.
G
Introducing
density
that
there's
a
one
of
the
things
that's
at
our
disposal
is
when
this.
G
Is
forwarded
to
council,
it
is
accompanied
by
a
series
of
whereas
clauses
that.
G
G
A
swift
or
an
overly
swift
conversion
to
you
know
in
a
way
that
people
might
not
want
that.
G
Might
not
respect
the
unique
character
of
these
neighborhoods
that
there
would
be
a
way
to
add.
G
Some
things
like
that,
the
report
there
would
be
some
reporting
requirements
that
there
would
be.
G
G
G
As
well,
that
would
allow
us
a
little
more
measured
response
than
I
think,
there's
some
fear.
G
Out
there,
so
so
that's
one
thing
that
that
I
think
is
worth
knowing
before
we
proceed.
G
B
Sure
I'll
just
take
a
quick
second
to
yes,
that's
kind
of
what
we've
been
saying.
B
Applied
for
where
they
were,
what
issues
we
had
seen
with
administration
and
those
types
of.
B
Things
and
then
council
did
not
have
concerns
when
we
didn't
actively
change.
B
The
work
to
change
the
legislation
at
that
time
and
also
presented
it
to
plan
commission.
B
Months
and
yes,
we
would
be
able
to
put
that
in
the
it
wouldn't
go,
be
codified,
but
it
would
go.
B
In
the
ordinance
that
it
were
this
to
be
approved
by
council,
the
ordinance
that
would
be.
B
Signed
by
council
leadership
as
well
as
the
mayor
in
the
sections
we
can
add
under.
B
The
warehouse
clauses
we
can
add,
you
know
a
commitment
to
doing
that
and
what
that
would.
B
Mean
so
going
back
every
six
months
and
that
if
there
are
concerns
from
those
that
have
been.
B
Approved
or
you
know,
whatever
has
happened
as
a
result
of
the
regulations
that
we
would.
B
Revisit
those
so
yeah
that
putting
that
in
there,
I
think,
was
a
good
idea.
We
got
from
a
legal.
B
Department?
Where
then
it
doesn't
have
to
go
into
the
udo
but
is
still
written
and
agree.
B
You
know
people
are
wary
of
for
of
me
just
saying
yes,
we're
gonna
come
back
every
six
months.
B
So
we'll
go
ahead
and
write
that
down
and
where
it's
agreed
upon
with
the
department
and.
B
Council
and
the
administration.
Thank
you,
jackie
to
me.
That
seems
like
a
way
to
address
some
of
the.
G
A
Thank
you
any
other
questions
from
commissioners.
E
So
yeah,
commissioner
whistler
so
jackie.
If
I,
if
I
could
ask
so
after
going
over.
E
Something
that
is
going
to
take
place
in
this
term
in
in
spring
or
we're
going
to.
E
B
So
it
will
be
spring,
they
have
a
summer
recess
that
begins
the
middle
of
june,
and
so
they
will.
A
All
right,
then,
we
will
go
to
public
comment.
This
is
comment
on.
A
Our
final
recommendation:
we
will.
A
With
a
recommendation,
and
so
that's
what
we're
having
comment
on
now
is.
A
Is
what
our
final
recommendations
should
be
here
and
questions?
Can
I
ask
one
more
question.
A
Yes
sure
go
ahead,
I'm
sorry,
so
are
we?
It
might
be
good
for
to
state
for
the
people
on.
A
We
will,
if
we
have
time
it
really
just
depends
on
how
much
how
long
the
public
comment
goes.
B
Intend
obviously,
of
course,
depending
on
how
long
discussion
for
zeo0921
goes,
but
we
do.
B
A
A
unanimous
vote
for
us
to
introduce
that
tonight
so
but
yeah
our
intention
is
to
continue.
A
Continue
moving
through
this
as
soon
as
we
can
so,
if
and
I
would,
I
would
expect
that
at
this.
A
Point,
we
probably
will
at
least
get
it
introduced
tonight.
I
think
it's
probably
unlikely
that
we.
A
Will
get
to
a
second
public
comment
tonight,
so
I
doubt
that
we'll
get
to
public.
A
Comment
on
co
10-21
the
map
tonight
that
will
most
likely
end
up
being
continued
until.
D
A
Minutes
here
on
this,
this
final
comment:
we
limited
it
to
three
on
the
amendments,
but.
A
A
Either
to
to
myself
or
to
to
jackie,
scanlan
and
request
to
be
to
be
recognized.
So
let
me.
A
If
you
haven't
seen
that,
if
this
is
your
first
meeting,
can
we
perhaps
get
the.
A
The
link
posted
in
the
chat
here
to
the
to
the
petition
itself
so
that
anybody
who's
kind.
A
Our
final
recommendation
to
the
city
council
on
amendments
to
the
udo
regarding.
A
All
right,
so
jackie
will
recognize
you
when
it's
your
turn
to
speak.
You'll
have
five
minutes.
A
Please,
before
you
begin
speaking
state
your
full
name
for
the
record
and
we'll
be.
A
A
Your
time
is
up,
so,
let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Okay,
dave
warren.
Are
you
there
yep?
Can
you.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
J
J
J
J
I'm
also
angry
because
the
policies
that
you're
applying
were
developed
for
big
urban
cities
and.
J
J
J
J
K
K
K
K
K
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
P
In
bloomington
understand
the
dangers
of
the
plex
blanketing
of
the
city
of
bloomington.
P
P
And
younger
families,
like
did
I
say
too,
there
are
many
more
sorry
and
one
of
the
big
markets.
P
P
P
P
P
B
Deborah
myerson
hello,
my
name
is
deborah
meyerson
I
want
to
just
say
I
am
so
proud
of
the
plan.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Solution,
I
want
to
just
note
that
today,
president
biden's
american
jobs
plan,
there
was
a
briefing.
Q
R
Thank
you,
I
say
vote
no.
R
I
feel
like
plexus
by
right.
It's
a
total
deregulation
of
housing
development
in
bloomington.
R
R
Values
will
skyrocket
in
my
29
year,
residence
in
bloomington,
I've
never
seen
rents
decline.
S
S
S
S
S
S
L
T
T
Incremental
change
is
just
really
important.
I
want
to
note
I
hadn't
heard
of
the.
T
Sometimes
I
criticize
bloomington
for
its
politically
conservative
tendencies
so
having.
T
T
I'm
really
excited
that
we're
on
our
way
to
join
those
ranks
and
using
this
tool
in
our.
T
For
planning
commission
taking
the
time
to
address
the
policy
change.
Thank
you.
U
Hi,
my
name
is
richard.
Durrison
I've
been
a
homeowner
in
elm
heights
for
35
years.
U
B
Sorry
about
that
we
have
peter.
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
B
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
Y
Hi
I'm
kathy
crabtree
and,
as
I've
mentioned
at
the
earlier
meetings,.
Y
I
live
in
the
near
west
side
and
I'm
a
homeowner
and
have
lived
in
bloomington
for
over
30
years.
Y
In
more
inclusionary
zoning,
so
I
just
want
to
encourage
you
to.
Z
They
will
cause
a
landslide
in
housing
prices
that
will
skyrocket
just
by
creating
a
demand.
Z
Z
Z
AA
AA
Former
renter
in
the
bryant
park
neighborhood.
I
just
want
to
urge
you
to
vote
yes
on
the
proposal.
AA
I,
when
we
were
looking
for
housing
about
five
years
ago,
I
was
astonished
by
how
expensive
it.
AA
AB
Yes,
can
you
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
oh
thank
you
so
much
jackie
bloomington
city
officials.
AB
AB
AB
AB
That
plexus
were
allowed
everywhere
in
ann
arbor
and
chapel
hill.
So
sorry
about
that.
AB
AB
In
ann
arbor,
the
information
that
I'm
about
to
share
with
you
comes
from
joan
lonestein
a
former.
AB
AB
Of
them
just
two
days
ago,
so
here's
the
situation
in
ann
arbor
now
for
the
historic
single.
AB
AB
Just
had
a
meeting
on
february
9th,
where
they,
the
plan
commission,
initially
reviewed
a
new
adu.
AB
AB
AB
On
affordable
housing
and
and
some
other
plans
that
I'm
going
to
send
you
directly
in.
AB
An
email
but
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
these
college
towns
a
lot
we
can
learn
and
I
wish
we.
AB
Would
focus
more
on
those
than
on
some
of
these
other
cities
like
minneapolis,
portland
or
seattle,.
AB
Grandchildren
and
we'll
see
that
may
be
the
case,
but
in
the
meantime
there's
some
actual.
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
Ask
you
to
vote
no
on
this
and
hope
that
we
can
continue
this
important
debate.
Thank
you.
AC
AC
Thing
off
my
wife
and
I
have
lived
here
for
29
years.
We
lived
in
the
same
house
which
we
could.
AC
AC
AC
AC
AC
AC
AD
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AD
Actually
seen
the
opposite
happen.
First
of
all,
there
have
been
hours
and
hours
of
opportunities.
AD
For
people
to
voice
their
concerns
and
ideas,
starting
with
neighborhood
meetings
with
with.
AD
Which
I
would
attend
in
which
very
few
people
would
attend.
Actually,
there
have
been
online.
AD
Forums
there
was
open
mic
in
council
chamber
pre-pandemic
and
now
over
zoom
I
mean
lots
of.
AD
AD
Introduced
they
were,
they
were
people
fought
against
those
just
as
vehemently
as
they're.
AD
Fighting
against
these
changes,
after,
like
a
lot
of
advocacy,
made
them
be
enacted
anyway,.
AD
AD
AD
Meeting
as
being
so
important
to
these
folks,
so
just
recently
I
watched
the
planning
department.
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
A
little
bit
under
5
200
housing
units
by
the
year
2030.,
since
that
report
was
published.
AF
AF
AG
Hi
good
evening,
everyone
I'm
richard
lewis,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
you
all
for
your
time.
AG
And
commitment
during
this
process
and
for
your
public
service,
I'm
gonna.
AG
AG
Eating
their
own,
we
are
largely
a
democratic
capital
d
city
and
it's
a
shame
that
we
can't.
AG
Conversations
with
neighborhoods
with
thought
leaders
at
the
very
beginning
to
inform
this.
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
In
within
very
close
reach
of
the
downtown
and
other
neighborhood
nucleus
points.
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
B
Hello,
my
name
is
sarah
kathleen.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
here
tonight.
AH
Seems
appropriate
for
the
year
we've
had,
but
I
have
a
little
prepared
statement.
I'd
like
to
read.
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AJ
AJ
B
AK
Hello,
hello,
my
name
is
my
name-
is
wendy
brisht
and.
AK
Thank
you
for
giving
me
time
to
speak
while
I
I
do
understand
the
good
intentions
of.
AK
All
the
commission
and
everyone
involved,
I'm
also
increasingly
saddened
by
the
level
of.
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AL
Can
you
hear
me
here?
Yes,
we
can
okay,
my
name
is
tom
millen.
AL
AL
Not
just
roads
and
sidewalks,
so
I
asked
folks
to
vote
no
on
this.
B
Sam
curry,
yes
hi,
my
name
is
sam
curry,
I'm
a
grad
student
at
iu.
I
want
to
express
my
support.
AM
AM
AM
AM
Constituents
I
do
know
that
some
members
of
the
common
council
are
here
tonight
and
if
these.
AM
Measures
do
pass
and
I
hope
that
they
will
and
go
to
the
council.
I
hope
that
those
members
will.
AM
Evaluate
them
on
their
merits,
as
I'm
sure
that
they
will.
Lastly,
I
just
want
to
say.
AM
It's
not
necessarily
representative
of
the
whole
community,
and
it
is
important
that
there
is.
AM
It
to
these
meetings,
so
thanks
for
your
time,
thanks
for
your
patience
and
have
a
good
night.
B
AN
AN
AN
AN
AN
A
Thank
you
before
we
go
on
if
you,
if
you
are
here,
and
you
would
like
to
make
public
comment.
A
We're
getting
to
the
end,
there
are
only
a
few
more
hands
raised
if
there
are
more.
C
C
AO
AO
AO
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
AP
Serious
attention
we
shall
we
shouldn't
be
using
tactics
that
simply
have
shown
that
they
will.
AP
AQ
Hi,
I
my
name
is
ruth
kenny
and
I
moved
here
about
six
years
ago
and
I'll
be
honest.
AQ
AQ
AQ
AQ
Those
neighborhoods
I
went
to
a
planning
meeting
when
I
at
the
about
the
hillside,
henderson.
AQ
AQ
Their
neighborhood
and
some
of
the
some
of
this
feels
very
ageist
to
me
that
that
that
the.
AQ
Ex
that
the
elderly
people
in
our
community
are
not
being
given
much
respect
for
the.
B
AR
And
staff
for
for
your
time
on
this
subject,
it's
very
important.
I've
listened
and
I'm
finally,.
AR
Getting
the
comments,
so
I
I
do
want
to
ask
you
to
vote
no
today
or
at
least
forward
it
to.
AR
The
city
council
and
let
them
wrestle
with
this-
I
am-
I
am
steve-
acres
of
park
ridge,
neighborhood.
AR
AR
The
I
guess,
an
olive
branch
regarding
the
monitoring,
the
growth
of
duplexes.
AR
AR
AR
AR
AR
I
was
part
of
the
missing
middle
for
a
while,
but
worked
very
hard
to.
AR
But
I
feel
like
the
duplexes
really
are
trojan
horses,
that
as
affordable
housing
are
offering.
AR
AR
AR
AR
AR
Topic
in
a
college,
a
big
college
town
like
bloomington,
I
oversaw.
AR
A
complex,
complex
predicament
that
we're
in
and
I
applaud
the
planning
department
to.
AR
Really
look
at
this
and
find
workable
solutions,
and
I
hate
that
it's
you
know.
I
really
hate.
AR
And
allison
those
people
have
been
there,
they've
done
it,
and
I
applaud
susan
stanberg
for
for.
AR
You
know
holding
up
the
the
pause
button
and
and
giving
us
a
voice.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
O
O
A
Public
comments
on
zeo09-21
as
amended,
I
don't
see
any
more
raised
hands.
A
All
right
that
will
conclude
public
comment.
We
will
come
back
now
to
the
commission.
A
We
have
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
of
recess.
Please
say:
aye.
A
57
758
on
my
clock
here.
Thank
you
for
your
patience,
we'll
be
right
back.
A
We
also
will
need
a
motion
for
our
final
recommendation
here.
We
can
do
that
before.
A
We
start
comments
or
we
can
make
some
comments
first,
if
you
like,
but
if
we
get
through
the.
A
To
to
forward
this
to
the
city
council,
with
a
recommendation
of
some
sort
or
two.
A
F
Public
sure
go
ahead,
so,
mr
worker,
could
you
comment
on
tommy
ellison's
comment.
F
That,
since
we've
heard
so
much
about
being
able
to
hold
back
if
this
is
moving
too
fast,.
AS
Yes,
thank
you,
commissioner
kate.
You
know
it's
very
difficult
to
talk
about
a
potential.
AS
Takings
issue
in
a
vacuum.
I
I
really
can't
comment
in
generalities
on
whether
or
not.
AS
Including
what
sort
of
expectations
were
in
place
at
the
time
a
property
was.
AS
B
AS
F
But
have
you
looked
at
whether
other
places
that
have
upzoned
and
then
tried
to
you
know.
F
B
Able
to
speak
in
more
in
a
more
detailed
way
about
whether
or
not
we
were
sued
for
a
taking.
B
At
that
time,
and
not
my
understanding
that
that
is
the
case,
but
here
you
know
that
happened.
B
B
They
they
did
25
years
ago
to
what
could
what
what
they're
saying
could
happen
in
the
future.
AS
AS
Would
be
create
an
unusual
risk
of
litigation,
although
it
might
warrant
additional
research.
AS
X
So
we're
can
we
add
recommendations
to
our
our
proposal.
Well,
can
we
add
conditions
to
our.
B
B
Amendment
getting
a
second
going
through
public
comment
and
voting.
That's
the
only
way
to.
B
B
Or
write
to
your
council
person
as
a
member
of
the
plan
commission,
you
know
those
are
also.
B
Options
for
making
opinions
known
about
things
that
you
may
have,
they
think
still
need.
X
X
Well,
in
particularly
what
I,
I
guess,
a
question
to
you,
jackie
or
or
anybody
that
can
expand
on.
X
Even
if
we
have
passed
even
if
this,
this
amendment
that
we
vote
for
today
is
passed.
X
X
B
A
Additional
comments
or
questions
from
commissioners,
commissioner
herrera
yeah.
I.
E
Believe
this
question
it
goes
for
jackie
or
or
whoever
in
the
in
the
city
could
answer.
So
if.
E
The
council
rejects
the
two
amendments:
commitment
number
two
and
number
three,
my
understanding.
E
It
will
come
back
to
plan
commission
for
for
discussion
again
correct,
so
the
whatever.
B
Happens
tonight,
if,
if
it
were
to
be
approved
tonight,
it
would
go
as
amended
to
council
and
if.
B
They
make
any
changes
to
it
related
to
any
of
the
text.
Then
plan
commission
will
see
that.
E
Thank
you,
you're
welcome,
commissioner
henry
randall.
AT
I
just
want,
since
I've
sat
here
with
everyone
for
numerous
hours
listening
and
I
know
the.
AT
Severity
of
these
decisions
are
pretty
hard
on
everybody,
but
my
point
was
to
say
that
I'm.
AT
A
representative
from
the
monroe
county
plan
commission
and
I'm
a
non-voting
member,
so
I
wanted.
AT
To
make
that
clear
to
the
public
since
they've
seen
my
face
for
numerous
hours
now
and
then.
AT
AT
AT
AT
AT
Still
are
looking
at
annexation
and
what
kind
of
disruption
will
that
do?
Because
if
we
do
annex.
AT
A
Thank
you
any
other
final
comments.
Commission
mckenzie.
G
Accumulated
here
to
get
through
so
I
hope
that
the
public
and
my
fellow.
G
Appreciate
steve
aker's
comment
that
this
is
a
bit
of
a
predicament.
You
know
this
is
not
an
easy.
G
G
About
duplexes,
in
the
two
amendments
that
were
approved
as
part
of
this
ordinance
so.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
Feeling
like
this
is
somehow
a
completely
dangerous,
or
I
think
the
word
that
was.
G
I
think
it
would
help
people
feel
a
little
more
secure
in
how
we
were
moving.
I
do
feel
like
we're.
G
Udo
that
afford
those
safeguards,
so
I
don't
think
I'm
being
cavalier
or
reckless
or
ignorant.
G
G
G
The
fact
that
we
are
permitting
duplexes
in
r1,
r2
and
r3,
so
I
I
think,
that's
another
thing.
I.
G
Want
to
I
just
keep
wanting
to
go
back
to
is
that
and
and
it's
hard
to
talk
about
this
because.
G
Reporting
mechanism
and
some
inclusion
of
in
the
whereas
clauses
some
reporting
expectations.
G
In
the
way
we
hoped
and
if
it
isn't,
maybe
that's
where
we
really
spent
some
time
developing.
G
As
I
think,
jan
sorby
said,
what
is
it
that
we
want
to
see
as
success
for
this?
That
seems.
G
The
the
shift
to
making
duplexes
permitted
is
also
important
to
acknowledge
the
fact
that.
G
G
Detail
than
it
would
have
required
the
review
in
a
conditional
use
proposal,
so
we're
not
really.
G
G
G
Can
put
in
place
to
process
a
review
and,
let's
see
what's
happening
in
those
permitting
processes.
G
So
I
also
felt
more
assured
after
hearing
that
so
okay,
that's
that's
a
lot
for
me.
Perhaps
that's.
G
The
most
I've
ever
spoken
all
at
once
and
I
appreciate
the
time,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of.
G
Clarifying
that
we
can
do
through
this
process-
and
I
I
don't
want
to
ignore
what
anyone
has.
G
G
Both
with
some
intensity
but
with
some
safeguards
in
place,
so
thanks,
everybody.
A
F
Just
wanted
to
get
a
clarification
on
one
thing
that
you
just
said
jillian
and
jackie
may
go.
F
Back
to
what
we
were
talking
about
the
other
day,
my
understanding
is
that
the
permitting.
F
F
Whether
it
is
permitted
by
right
or
whether
it
is
conditional
use,
because
there
are
additional.
B
B
By
right
affect
that,
so
in
a
conditional
use
situation,
it's
my
opinion
that
we
use.
B
Documents
you
have
to
pay
someone
to
do
like
an
architect
or
an
engineer
are.
B
Minimal,
you
know
if
you're,
for
example,
doing
interior
remodel
to
do
the
duplex
and
you.
B
Don't
have
those
architectural
plans
yet,
but
you
can
show
that
you
can
meet
all.
B
Your
specific
standard
requirements,
then
the
drawings
and
things
you're,
bringing.
B
It
was
in
the
it
was
in
the
context
of
if
your
first
step
allows
you
to
freeze
out
your
neighbors.
B
To
both
of
those
situations,
but
that
more
often
than
not,
I
think
that
if
someone
was
trying
to.
B
E
Herrera
yeah
so
jackie
also
along
the
same
line.
I
believe
one
of
the
the
the
differences.
B
The
reason
why
we
proposed
it
in
that
manner
was
that
then
you
would
have
the
public
hearing.
B
Thing
that
came
up-
I
I
will
mention-
I
don't
think
the
last
hearing,
but
the
hearing
before.
B
Was
that
if
you
really
are
neighborly
with
your
neighbors,
maybe
your
local
zoning
code
doesn't.
B
Have
to
mandate
that
you
discuss
your
plans
with
those
people,
and
I
think
that
that
was
a.
B
Notion
that
those
who
voted
to
make
it
permitted
kind
of
raised
that.
Just
because
it's
not.
E
From
our
citizens,
our
our
audience
is
the
is
the
importance
of
if
we
are
doing
this.
E
My
personal
opinion
would
be
doing
with
caution.
I
mentioned
this
the
last
the
last
time.
E
E
The
huge
consequences
that
this
might
or
might
not
bring
so
just
a
personal
comment
about.
E
I
just
stick
to
the
original
of
the
original
proposal
from
the
staff.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Sandberg.
D
Taking
because
I
too
was
thinking
that
what
the
staff
had
recommended
as
a
as
a
vastly
pared
down.
D
D
D
Little
bit
more
of
a
of
a
you
know,
citizen
to
elected
official
position
to
hear
them
out,
and
I.
D
D
D
D
D
D
Not
forward
so
again
my
respect
to
everyone
who
I
serve
with
on
on
this.
This
commission.
D
I
know
you
all
have
thought
long
and
hard
as
have
I,
but
I
will
be
voting
no
tonight.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner,
king
sorry
to
be
coming
in
and
out
so
piecemeal.
But
now
I'll
just
get
my.
F
F
F
That
some
of
the
fellow
commissioners
have
said,
but
particularly
a
number
of
the
members
of
the.
F
Community
have
noted-
and
I
think
you
know
the
the
need
for
taking
this
a
little
bit
slower.
F
F
Since
the
udo
has
been,
in
effect
in
its
current
form-
and
you
know,
and
we're
already
back
and.
F
Making
what
appear
to
be
extraordinarily
large
changes.
I
think
that
going
a
little
bit
more.
F
F
F
F
But
but
I
couldn't
come
up
with
a
measure
that
in
honesty,
made
sense
and
part
of
that
was.
F
That
you
know,
we've
talked
a
lot
about
closely
monitoring
this.
I
think
that
was
always.
F
F
So,
anyway,
with
all
that
said,
I
will,
with
the
greatest
respect
to
everyone,
I
really
think
you.
F
F
On
all
sides
as
well,
so
you
know,
let's,
let's
really
acknowledge
it.
This
is
an
incredibly
tough.
F
To
meet
a
lot
of
of
desires
and
goals
that
are
sometimes
in
tension
with
one
another,
but.
A
We
don't
have
a
motion
on
the
table,
yet
so
a
yes
or
no
vote
doesn't
mean
anything
really
until.
A
We
know
what
we're
voting
on
so
probably
would
be
good.
If
someone
would
make
a
motion,
we
can.
A
A
A
Comment,
I
guess
commissioner
cochran
go
ahead.
Okay,
so
just
a
few
comments
hang
on:
okay,
okay,.
AU
And-
and
I
know
it
was
mentioned
the
disrespect,
but
I
do
truly
respect
everybody
in
attendance.
AU
AU
AU
AU
AU
A
H
Before
I'll
be
voting
in
favor
of
this,
it
is
a
tough
decision.
It
impacts
everyone.
H
All
they
also
will
not
be
good
for
all.
It's
very
tough
decision,
but
we
do
need
more
housing.
H
I
respect
comments
from
the
public
that
disagree
with
that.
I
I've
stated
before
I
do
not
think.
H
H
Comments
have
been
made
by
commissioners
about
the
lack
of
about
the
fact
that
it's
it's
not
a
big.
H
Speculating
and
I'm
not
going
to
dispute
that,
but
it's
just
the
numbers,
don't
necessarily.
H
H
H
H
Five
meetings
in
pub,
so
this
process
works,
but
it
is
long
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
just.
H
D
D
Been
here
with,
with
the
issue
of
respect
on
the
table,
maybe
my
skin's
a
little
thicker.
D
A
Additional
comments,
commissioner:
seborr
go
ahead.
R
I
still
can't
hear
you
you
may
need
to
check
your
your
settings.
There.
A
Anyone
else
any
other
comments,
while
we
wait
for
andrew
to.
A
Get
his
audio
go
ahead,
commissioner,
by
the
the
the
motion
right
now
is.
A
Motion
the
motion
on
the
on
the
table
now
is
to
forward
zero
zero
nine
twenty
one
as
amended.
A
So
with
amendment
two
and
amendment
three
to
the
city
council,
with
a
positive
recommendation.
AV
AV
AV
AV
You
know
when
we
started
these
conversations
a
couple
meetings
ago
regarding
the
duplexes.
AV
Very
much
supportive
of
what
the
original
staff
proposal
was.
I
think
it
was
a
good
balance.
AV
Forwarding
it
on
to
them
and
that
there's
going
to
still
be
a
lot
more
discussion
and
dialogue.
So.
X
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
the
dialogue.
I
I
really
I'm
encouraged
about
such
intelligent.
X
Hear
what
I
love
about
this
I
love
about
this
process
is:
is
that
this
group,
the
plan
commission.
X
X
Why
that's
why
we
were
chosen
to
participate
and
we
were
selected
to
be
in
this?
This.
X
Because
we
are
voting
based
on
what
we're
seeing
through
research
and
what
the
city
presents
to.
X
X
X
G
So
I
again
just
a
quick
comment
here.
I've
already
said
my
long
piece
more
than
a
piece
it.
G
Was
a
quite
a
hole,
I
think
so
just
one
more
thing.
I
really
appreciate
commissioner
burrell's.
G
G
G
Start
out
that
way
and
was
persuaded
by
public
comment
and
people's
interest
in
this.
G
Our
beauty,
our
code
and
assuring
that
we're
doing
what's
in
the
best
interest
of
our
community.
G
Ultimately,
I'm
I
know
that
people
will
differ
with
me
on
that
one.
So
I
am
happy
to.
G
G
G
Ultimate
solution:
really,
it
is
one
small
step
towards
intensity
to
intensify
and
densify.
A
A
But
I
do
want
to
just
make
sure
that
just
that
we
clearly
communicate
that
you
know.
A
A
Some
people
have
called
it
an
experiment
and
it's.
A
A
Are
real
are
part
of
a
much
bigger
plan,
the
entire
udo
that's
been
researched
and
debated.
A
A
Several
years
ago
this
process
began,
there
have
been
public
meetings,
neighborhood
meetings.
A
A
year's
long
process,
and,
and
and
there
really
is
nothing
in
this.
A
A
A
To
point
out,
you
know
some
examples
of
that.
Of
that
context,
I
think,
most
importantly,
you
can't.
A
Far
more
dense
housing
in
much
larger
developments
closer
to
campus.
We
in
fact
we've.
A
Created
an
entire
new
zone
to
steer
the
most
dense
development
away
from.
A
Undergraduate
housing
is
in
the
neighborhoods
is
reduced,
we're
creating
a
whole
new
zone
that.
A
Encourages
that
type
of
development
to
to
occur
in
in
that
zone
in
the
student
oriented
zone.
A
This
in
a
vacuum
and
and
and
get
the
impression
that
the
supply
and
demand
just
doesn't
work.
A
A
A
A
A
Going
up
everywhere,
but
we
are
still
playing
catch
up
in
the
supply
and
demand
equation.
A
A
A
That
is
why
there's
that's
why
it's
attractive
downtown
developers,
that's.
A
Why
housing
prices
are
high?
It's
because
we
are
not
meeting
the
demand.
A
And
so
you
know,
we've
heard
a
lot
of
arguments
against
this.
Almost
all
of
them
are
really.
A
Focused
on
that
rental,
housing
and
we
do
need
more
rental
housing.
I
know
some
people
don't.
A
A
You
know
that
these
have
to
be
rental
units.
In
fact,
you
know
my
hope
is
that.
A
Will
some
be
rentals?
Of
course
they
will,
but
many
of
them
will
be
owner-occupied
giving
you.
A
Naturally,
occurring
affordable
housing
and
I
I
I
think,
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
a
misnomer.
A
Maybe
wishful
thinking,
there's
really
no
such
thing
as
naturally
occurring
housing,
houses.
A
Houses
are
built
every
one
of
us
lives
in
a
building
that,
at
one
time
was
new
construction.
A
A
Occupied
home,
your
perception
is
very,
very
different.
You
know
I've
been
here
for
for
28.
A
Years
now-
and
I
don't
say
that
to
imply
that
it
gives
me
more
weight
or
makes
my
more
my.
A
A
A
A
Wouldn't
have
the
places
that
we
live,
and
so
we
have
to
really
just
be
conscious
of
the
fact.
A
That
we're
all
the
beneficiary
of
progress
and
change
and
and
changing
the
character
of
the
city.
A
And
changing
the
character
of
our
neighborhoods,
I
think
we
all
have
consensus
that
we
need
more.
A
Affordable
housing
there
there
seems
to
be
a
great
consensus
on
that,
and
so
I
think
the
real.
A
Know
either
it
can
be
really
segregated
and
really
isolated,
and
you
know
something
so
a
lot.
A
Of
people
have
suggested
well,
the
hospital
site
is
the
perfect
place
for
this.
A
You
know-
and
I
just
I
just
don't
accept
that
I
don't
think
that
you
know
isolating
the.
A
Housing
into
one
location
and
trying
to
jam
all
of
it
into
one
location
is
the
way
to
go.
A
A
Rentals
well,
where
would
we
build
more
single
family
homes?
We
don't
have
undeveloped,
corn
fields.
A
Alternative
is
to
have
segregated
isolated
housing,
but
that
might
create
more
affordable
units.
But.
A
Does
not
create
an
affordable
life,
it
increases
transportation
costs,
it
decreases.
Quality
of
life.
A
Values
and
housing
costs
are
just
are
not
the
same
thing
and
I
know
it's
easily
confused.
A
Dollars
a
month,
if
someone
else
wanted
to
buy
that
house
and
turn
it
into
a
rental.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
To
more
out-of-town
landlords,
so
we've,
given
this
great
thought
and
great
debate-
and
I
do.
A
Greatly
appreciate
all
the
opinions
that
have
been
brought
to
the
table
but,
as
it's
been
said,
you.
A
A
Most
responsible
way
to
solve
tough
problems
for
for
the
entire
city.
And
although
this
has
been.
A
A
long
and
tedious
and
sometimes
emotional
process,
I
think
I
think
it's
working
and
will
continue.
A
To
work,
as
has
been
said
at
the
city
council,
so
so
thank
you
all,
commissioners
and
public.
A
But
yeah
I'm
happy
to
support
this
happy
to
move
it
along.
I
appreciate.
A
Commissioner,
here
yeah
before
voting,
I
would
like
to
thank
jackie
and
staff.
E
Commission,
we
all
know
that
this
has
been
a
huge
investment,
personal
investment.
E
Did
in
and
thank
you
of
course
thank
you
all
for
your
diligent
discussions
and
questions
and.
AL
B
A
A
Unless
there
is
a
motion
to
suspend
the
rules
to
introduce
the
next
item,
I
think
we
probably.
A
Should,
if
we're
not
going
to
continue,
do
we
need
to
have
a
motion
to
continue
10?
Yes,.
AS
AS
Post
9
pm
right,
I
just
would
caution
everybody,
so
we
don't
make
the
same
mistake
twice
that.
A
Yeah,
thank
you,
so
I
think
there's
only
one
of
two
motions
that
that
we
can
really
take
here.
A
One
would
be
to
suspend
the
rules
to
continue
the
meeting
and
introduce
zio
10-21
the.
A
Other
would
be
to
continue
0-10-21
to
our
next
meeting,
which
would
be
on
monday
at
5,
30.
F
A
Are
that
we
can't
introduce
any
new
business
after
9
00
pm?
So
if
we
were
to
introduce
it.
A
And
then
continue
the
remaining
discussion
to
monday.
That's
an
option.
A
A
We
have
a,
we
have
a
second
to
continue
to
the
fifth.
Let's
call
the
roll.
B
B
I
can
send
an
email,
obviously,
based
on
our
schedule,
we've
been
doing
then.
The
next
meeting.
B
Would
be
thursday
we
have
only
planned
out,
we
have
only
noticed
and
told
the
public.
B
About
meetings
through
monday,
the
5th,
so
that
means
also
we
haven't
asked
any
of
you
if
you're.
B
Available
on
any
other
days,
so
I
I
I
think
that
the
next
meeting
again
based
on.
B
What
we've
been
doing
would
be
to
have
a
second
meeting
in
the
same
week
on
the
8th.
B
So
if
any
of
you
have
know
that
you
have
a
conflict
with
that,
we
could
say
it
right
here.
B
B
Knows
best
that
this
has
to
go
to
council
and
there
is
a
time
limitation
on
not
only
how
long.
B
We
want
to
respect
that
and
give
them
as
much
time
as
possible,
so
we
have
to
balance.
B
That,
obviously,
with
giving
you
as
much
time
as
possible
with
the
map,
so
my
suggestion
would
be.
B
B
B
Week
so
just
so,
the
public
knows
that
that
schedule
hasn't
been
set
yet
and
as
soon
as
we.
B
Have
an
agreement
among
plan
commission,
we
will
let
you
know
when,
when
the
next
hearing
will
be.
B
Just
feels
unlikely
that
we'll
finish,
and
so
then
we
will
hopefully
have
a
plan
by
then.
AU
AU
To
give
a
be
a
part
of
a
petition
to
the
county
planning,
commission
got
it.
B
Yep
those
tuesdays
been
to
those
okay.
Well,
we
will
yeah
well
we'll
just
send
around
the.
B
And
we'll
just
try
to
get
it
done
as
quickly
as
possible:
okay,
so
yeah
yucky.
So
as
far
as
I.
B
B
The
map
on
monday
night,
I
that
would
be
great
I'd,
love
it.
Let's
do
it,
but
just
based
on
how
long.
B
Actually
be
introduced
and
discussed,
I'm
not
sure
how
that
will
part
will
shake
out,
but.
B
Yeah,
what
I'm
saying
is
we'll
definitely
meet
on
monday.
It
seems
like
we'll
have
to
meet
at.
B
Least
one
other
time
there
is
something
for
you
all
to
think
about
changing
the.
B
B
Because
because
the
amendments
are
so
specific
to
such
specific
areas,.
B
A
shortened
public
comment
time
may
still
be
appropriate
where
we
have
seen.
B
B
B
At
hand-
and
that
could
save
us
some
time
as
well,
so
yes,
but
we
will
get
as
much
done
as.
B
E
If
a
one
of
the
other
power
commissioners
could
be
here
or
is
just
absent,
I
believe
that.
B
E
Able
to
come
on
monday,
okay
and
then
yeah
and
then
as
similarly
to
what
jillian
and
chris
did
then.
B
Catching
up
after
would
be
helpful,
and
we
can
obviously
obviously
also
staff
can
help
with
that.
B
If
we
want,
if
we
think
people
will
have
a
lot
of
substantive
comments
about
each
area,.
A
Public
comment
on
these,
as
we
do
if
we
have
one
on
the
ones
we
just
considered,
but
just.
A
A
I
will
do
my
very
best
to
keep
us
moving,
but
I
do
think
it's
wise
for
us
to
start
planning
for.
A
An
additional
session,
just
in
case
we
can't
get
through
them
and,
of
course,
the
sooner.
A
The
better
right,
because
we
do
we
do
kind
of
have
that-
that
city
council
recess
that's
kind.
A
Of
looming
there,
and
we
need
to
try
to
get
this
to
them
as
soon
as
we
can.
Okay,
so
we'll.
B
Send
out
staff
will
send
out
a
contact
and
see
everyone's
availability
over
the
next
two
weeks.
A
Great
all
right,
thank
you,
everyone.
That
concludes
our
business,
so
we
are
adjourned.