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A
All
right,
let
me
call
to
order
this
meeting
of
the
city
of.
B
C
D
Here,
thank
you
all
right.
So
seeing
that
we
do
have
quorum,
let's
move
on.
We
do
not
have
any
minutes.
A
To
be
approved
this
evening,
are
there
any
reports,
resolutions
or
communications
from
staff.
E
A
map
that
will
be
starting
at
council
on
wednesday
of
this
week.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
any
reports
or
communications
from
commissioners.
F
That
to
give
it
right
back
to
say
thank
you,
the
staff
and
for
everybody
on
the
commission.
F
For
their
dedication
and
hard
work
and
staff,
I
realized
what
a
tremendous
outlay
of
energy.
F
A
All
right:
well,
we
have
back
to
our
kind
of
normal
routine.
Here
we've
got
three
petitions.
A
Gene
goldstein
and
we'll
just
take
them
in
that
order.
These
should
be,
I
think,.
A
Pretty
standard
what
we're
used
to,
but
we'll
start
off
with
ud
11-21
and
I
believe,
we've.
G
All
right,
this
petition
is
for
the
property
located
on
south
liberty
drive
it.
G
Is
roughly
north
one
parcel
north
east
of
the
liberty,
drive
and
state
road
45
intersection.
G
G
Property
as
an
employment
center,
the
properties
in
north
south
east
are
all
developed
with
medical.
G
G
To
the
roughly
thirty
that
thirteen
thousand
eight
hundred
square
foot
structure.
G
That's
currently
on
site
the
site's
currently
developed
with
77
parking
spaces.
G
G
G
Catch
back
up
here,
the
proposed
edition
will
cover
32
percent
of
the.
G
The
lot
the
me
district,
which
would
be
the
overarching
rule
here,
would
only
require
to
be.
G
Or
have
a
maximum
coverage
percentage
of
70?
There
is
a
tree
and
forest
or
close
canopy.
G
Wooded
area
which
tree
and
forest
preservation
portion
of
the
udo
will
require
protection
during.
G
G
Pedestrian
facilities
along
west
coda
and
south
mcintyre
shall
be
brought.
G
Was
approved
based
on
those
two
expected
editions,
this
is
the
first
of
potentially
two
editions.
G
G
G
G
Authority
standards,
the
current
development
has
previously
established
municipal
sewer
and
water.
G
Following
exceptions,
compliant
bicycle
parking
designs
haven't
been
shown
compliant
landscaping.
G
G
E
Mr
foster
yeah,
you
can
go
ahead
good
evening.
H
Here,
to
represent
this
project
ryan,
pretty
much
covered
everything
that
we.
H
We're
proposing
pretty
well,
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know.
I
am
here
in
case.
A
H
H
Installed
in
the
original
construction
to
accommodate
the
the
future
expansions.
G
Sure
so
a
photometric
plan
is
it
discusses
the
compliance
of
the
lighting
on
the
site.
G
It's
requirement
of
part
of
every
site
design.
It's
often
not
provided
at
the
creating.
G
I
just
wanted
to
spell
it
out
as
special
because
it
is
required
yeah.
So
it's
just
shows.
G
G
So
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
covered
within
it,
but
essentially
it's
to
make
sure.
G
That
light
doesn't
trespass
beyond
the
boundaries
with
that,
with
the
exceptions.
F
A
Commissioner
ryan,
just
a
question
about
the
preserve,
so
there's
an
area
that
you
showed.
J
That
it's
going
to
be
preserved
and
you
said
that
steps
will
need
to
be
taken
to
preserve.
J
This,
what
do
you
mean
just
erosion
barrier,
or
I
mean
what
are
you
talking
about.
G
Sure
yeah,
so
there's
a
couple
different
things
that
can
be
done
in
the
udo
one
is
to
specify.
G
Line
of
the
closest
tree,
so
some
sort
of
fencing
will
be
provided
during
construction.
A
Any
additional
questions,
commissioner
seaborn.
Yes,
this
just
a
question
and
it
might
be
more.
K
K
K
G
You're
certainly
welcome
to
discuss
it
as
the
planning
commission.
It
will
be
addressed,
it
has
to
be
met.
Udo
standards
have
to
be
met,
moving
forward.
So
again,
this.
G
Is
another
grading
permanent
one
where
it
will
be
talked
about
at
a
technical
level?
Then.
G
Okay,
brad
can,
I
add
something
we
jackie
scanlan
development
services
manager.
We
talk
about
this.
E
Sometimes
and
but
just
for
anyone
who
hasn't
heard
the
spiel
or
watching
at
home,
site
plans.
E
Are
kind
of
weird
because
they
do
come
to
plan
commission
for
approval,
but
we
don't
require
100.
E
To
be
doing
fully
realized
realizable
plans
without
them,
knowing
whether
or
not
they
can.
E
Do
what
they're
asking
to
do,
and
so
we
kind
of
have
to
walk
this
line
of
bringing.
E
E
Their
money
and
our
staff
time
on
reviewing
fully
detailed,
reviewing
and
having
them
make.
E
A
If
there's
anyone
here
to
make
public
comment,
please
let
us
know
by
raising
your
virtual
hand,.
A
All
right
see
now
we're
back
to
the
commission,
then
for
any
final
comment
or
a
motion.
D
Second,
all
right
so
just
yeah
to
clarify
your
motion
is
to.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
We
will
move
on
now
to
pud
12-21.
A
This
is
petitioner
is
a
starbucks
coffee.
Company
location
is.
A
South
liberty
drive,
and
I
believe
ryan
is
going
to
present
this
one
as
well.
G
Okay,
this
is
the
one
for
south
liberty
drive,
which
is
at
the
northeast
intersection
of.
G
G
Of
note
here
I
failed
to
mention
in
the
pud
setback
for
state
road
45.
They
were
designed
on.
G
In
relation
to
the
50
foot
width
of
the
ped
that
was
specifically
mentioned
within
the
pd.
G
Proposed
site
will
be
roughly
55.2
percent
impervious
surfaces.
The
site
has
no.
G
Environmental
concerns
in
erosion,
control
plan
has
been
submitted
and
a
grading
permit
will
be.
G
Proposed
drives
offering
ingress
and
egress
from
south
liberty
the
there
will
be
two.
G
One-Way
drives,
which
are
which
are
12
feet
wide.
The
proposed
drives,
do
not
meet
the
separation.
G
G
The
terms
of
the
udl
no
pedestrian
entrance
is
proposed
to
connect
to
the.
G
Site
not
feature
a
plane
wall,
whether
concrete
or
steel,
and
have
architecturally
pleasing
design.
G
Here,
as
proposed
will
feature
brick,
wood,
ifis
and
signage,
including
storefront
windows,.
G
G
G
Park,
37
pd,
the
petition
means
for
pd
26's
district
ordinance
and
the
united
unified.
G
Development
ordinance
for
the
following
exceptions:
conditions
of
approval
have
been
proposed
to.
G
G
G
A
G
Let's
just
see
there
is
yes,
there's
the
caymans
and
then
mike.
G
N
For
the
record,
my
name
is
mike
timko.
I
work
with
kimberly
horn
and
associates.
N
N
Little
light
on
those,
so
as
far
as
the
first
one
regarding
the
parking
variants,
it
is
likely.
N
That
we'll
pursue
that,
I
think,
as
everybody
ever
knows,
starbucks
can
generate
quite
a
bit.
N
Of
traffic,
so
we
think
it's
in
everybody's
best
interest
to
likely
pursue
a
variance
to
allow
for.
N
N
N
Staff
with
city
engineer
regarding
the
entrances,
bicycle
parking,
photometric
plan
and
so
forth,.
L
The
traffic
mr
timco
did
mention
that
in
if
anyone
goes
to
starbucks
on
the
south
side,.
L
L
Is
off
of
an
arterial?
You
know
she
call
it
arterial,
we
said
in
there,
so
I
guess
it's
one.
L
Thing
to
work
on
the
entrance,
which
is
great,
but
I
do
have
a
question.
Maybe
this
is
actually
a.
L
Question
for
staff,
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
the
traffic
that
spills
out
on
the
street
at
places.
L
L
I
don't
know
is
that
in
our
purview
or
brian,
can
you
put
the
site
plane
back
up.
E
L
L
E
Amenable
to
doing
that
anyway,
so
we
could
just
ask
them
and
see
if
that
makes
sense.
L
What?
Because
they
usually
do
a
really
good
job
of
making
their
their
stores
attractive,
but.
L
L
Difficult
for
people
sure
oh
yeah
hold
on
just
a
second.
I
think
he
has.
E
Mr
timko,
yes,
sorry
about
that.
I've,
muted,
myself,
out
of
habit.
N
Through
there,
as
you,
as
everyone
probably
knows,
starbucks
has
peak
hours.
So
while
there
might.
N
A
little
bit
further
through
that
part
of
the
site,
but
I
think
that's
something
we
would
certainly.
N
Be
receptive
to
so
I
think
and
mr
worker
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
we
can
say.
E
Commission
can
accept
that,
but
I
don't
see
any
reason
mandated
right.
I
think
that's
exactly
right.
E
Okay,
so
yes,
so,
mr
timko,
if
you
are
saying
that
that
you
think
that
can
be
included.
E
Then
we
can
include
it,
as
you
know,
that
the
the
petitioners.
E
Separation
or
something
we
can
add
that,
but
only
if
you
are
amenable
to
doing
that.
N
E
Accepting
that
as
a
some
sort
of
proposal
from
the
petitioner
and
then
and
then
we
add.
A
F
People
don't
know
what
to
do,
I
think
providing
more
advice
or
signage
or
striping
to
help.
F
People
understand
what
they
need
to
do
in
order
to
access
or
drive
around
is
really
important,
but.
F
One
is
about
staff
ryan.
Your
comment
about
when
state
road
45
pedestrian
decisions
are
made.
G
Far
as
it
we're
concerned,
it
has
happened
because
they've
finished
the
the
addition
to
the
the.
G
Trail
there
and
in
I
believe,
it's
I
hope
it's
included
in
the
packet
there's
mr
timko.
G
We
assumed
that
meant
that
they
they're
done
and
that
would
meet
the
ud
or
the.
H
Puds
requirement
to
address
it
at
the
time
of
final
approval:
okay,
so
technically
the
state.
F
E
Was
so
much
smaller
than
it
is
now
that
the
department
knew
at
the
time
that
it
would
be.
F
F
E
F
Okay
and
then
I
have
a
a
composting
environmental
squirrely
question
for
the.
F
Starbucks
representatives,
I
wondered
about
starbucks
tradition
of
grounds
for
gardens
and
if.
F
There
is
any
kind
of
really
forward
thinking
on
how
the
gra
the
coffee
grounds.
F
Coffee
that
is
traditionally
put
out
for
gardeners,
a
very
specific
composty
kind
of
question
here.
N
F
F
And
then
I
had
one,
no,
I
think
I'm
okay
now
yep.
Thank
you,
mr
assad.
K
I've
got
a
question
I
think
for
the
petitioner.
I
know
one
of
the
conditions
of
the.
N
We
actually
had
two
two-way
entries
on
there,
to
which
naturally,
given
how
tight
everything.
N
Exit
approach
and
the
biggest
advantage
of
doing
that
is
what
comes
down
to
site
triangles.
N
N
With
your
blessing,
of
course,
that
we
can
gain
a
level
of
comfort
knowing
that
this
isn't
the.
N
K
G
I
actually
sorry
to
interrupt.
I
actually
have
a
drawing
of
that
to
preempt.
G
Mike's
answer
here
I
saw
one
of
the
early
ones,
so
I
have
that
I'm
showing
it.
G
Yeah,
so,
okay
yeah.
This
is
one
of
the
the
early
ones
we
discussed
and
then
to
come
into
clients.
G
With
other
standards
of
the
udo,
we
asked
them
to
to
modify
it
slightly,
but
that
brought.
G
From
steak
and
shake
to
the
north
east
and
the
bank
to
the
southwest
is
roughly
200
feet
so.
G
Having
a
compliant
entrance
with
one
entrance
was
difficult.
We
hoped
that
this
would.
G
The
two
engine,
two
one-way
entrances
of
the
issues
that
were
more
serious
in
our
eyes.
K
I
guess
I'm
just
sticking
to
questions
right
now.
Another
just
basic
question
for
me
is.
A
I've
got
one:
oh,
go
ahead:
fog!
It's.
J
Obviously
the
concern
is
traffic
as
well.
Is
there
a
middle
lane.
J
A
middle
turning
lane
right
in
front
of
where
those
exits
will
be
well
entrance
and
exit.
J
Yes
in
front
of
because
I
I
use
that
road
and
when
you.
J
On
45,
typically
that
left
lane
is
already
you
know.
The
turning
lane
is
backed
up
already.
E
E
At
some
time,
because
these
aerials
say
they're
from
a
year
ago-
and
this
is
the
site
here-.
E
E
If
that's
changed
or
was
changed
to
this,
I
guess
we
could
I
couldn't
I
want
to
see
this
is
new.
K
J
Which
that
will
be
very
helpful,
absolutely
people
exiting
if
they're,
trying
to
go
south.
C
A
Maybe
for
for
staff
or
for
legal
if,
if
the
approval
of
those
additional
spaces
is.
A
E
The
parking
above
that
total,
so
the
overall
layout
of
the
site
plan,
won't
change.
They'll.
E
Literally,
just
take
off
some
of
the
parking
and
turn
those
areas
into
green
space.
N
So
if,
if
that
were
to
not
be
approved,
the
first
stalls
that
would
move
will
be
removed
would
be.
N
N
Number
one,
then,
beyond
that
we
would
probably
pull
off
the
ones
that
would
be
directly
in
front.
N
N
F
Yeah,
given
that
additional
comment
about
the
need
for.
F
N
Great
point:
the
other
thing
I'll
add
that
you
know
it's
relatively
new
within
the
last
couple.
F
Thanks,
commissioner,
st
john,
I
just
have
one
more
follow-up
question
I
see
it's,
I
think
2200.
L
L
L
N
A
A
If
you
would
like
to
make
comment
eric
someone
was
trying
to
talk
one
of
the.
A
For
being
here,
all
right
we'll
go
to
public
comment.
Then,
if
you'd
like
to
make
comment.
A
Going
once
going
twice:
okay,
we
are
then
back
to
the
commission
for
any
final
discussion.
I
I
And
the
seventh
condition
of
the
striking
ryan:
do
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
read
that.
I
E
A
With
the
seven
conditions
of
approval,
we
have
a
second
any
final
discussion.
Final
comment:.
A
Go
ahead,
andrew
sorry,
just
a
couple
quick
comments.
I'd
certainly
appreciate
the
the
seventh.
K
K
K
K
A
Yeah,
just
one
one
final
thought
to
share
is
just
when
we
think
about
designating
spaces.
A
As
those
pickup
spaces,
I
know
I
know
it's
it's
common
to
make
the
spaces
sort
of
closest
to
the.
A
D
A
A
Plan
review
of
change
in
use
from
hotel
to
an
85
unit,
multi-family
apartment
building.
M
M
So
this
is
for
the
property
located
at
1722
north
walnut
just
near
the
intersection.
M
M
With
a
three-story
hotel,
the
property
to
the
north
is
zoned
as
a
pud
and
currently
being.
M
Developed
with
multi-family
dwellings,
property
to
the
east,
its
own
residential,
high
density
and.
M
Developed
with
multi-family
dwellings
and
the
property
to
the
west
is
the
miller
showers
park.
M
And
immediately
to
the
south
is
a
restaurant?
Like
you
said
the
petitioner
is
requesting
site.
M
Plan
review
for
a
change
in
use
from
a
hotel
to
an
85
unit,
multi-family
apartment
building,
the.
M
M
M
M
Like
I
just
said
for
major
site
plan
review,
major
cycling
review
is
required
for
any.
M
Here's
just
a
picture
of
the
current
structure.
M
M
M
Public
street,
so
for
this
site
it
would
be
four
street
cheese.
The
city's
urban
forester
will.
M
M
A
O
Hi
everybody,
my
name
is
gene
goldstein.
I'm.
O
I
I
just
first
want
to
say,
because
I've
never
done
a
project
with
the
city
of
bloomington.
O
Very
helpful
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
publicly
to
him.
I
I
don't
really
have
too
much
to
add.
O
On
this
project,
being
the
bicycle
parking
landscaping,
just
as
a
quick
back
background.
O
O
Minimal
facilities,
you
know
and
make
it
an
apartment,
longer
term
dwelling
function.
O
O
O
O
I
Sense
of
what
you
expect
these
apartments
to
go
for
in
the
market
kind
of
get
a
feel
for
who
your.
O
O
Of
the
time,
I
think
they
will
not
be
high
end
rents
at
all
they'll
be
more
towards
the
lower
end.
O
A
K
K
K
K
K
O
O
Talk
through
it,
if
you
want
to
do
that,
but
it
was
it'd
always
be
my
understanding
that
and
what.
O
O
Grading
issues
to
make
it
work,
but
obviously
we'll
figure
out
a
way.
But
I
have
to
be
very
honest.
O
M
Sorry
all
I
was
just
trying
to
pull
up
the
plane
that
I
had
up
here,
so
we
could
look
at
it.
K
F
M
My
understanding
was
that
the
easement
is
for
emergency
vehicle
access,
I'm
assuming
that
it's.
M
F
So,
okay,
that's
important
to
know
for
the
folks
that
live
in
that
space.
F
F
Here
to
take
advantage
of
some
green
practices
in
this
I
said
that,
but
there's
other
members
in.
O
There
in
our
group
and
some
are
in
la
somer
in
phoenix.
They
may
be
looking
at
that
stuff
and.
O
O
O
It's
a
big
hurdle
to
make
to
get
solar
going,
but
it's
a
good
question
honestly:
we've.
O
E
Sure
so
the
way
code
is
currently
written.
Of
course
they
could
choose
to
do
that,
but
because.
E
E
E
Seeking
any
incentives
they're
not
seeking
any
of
our
growing
incentives,
so
we
can't.
E
We
haven't
had
that
discussion
with
them
about
that
yeah.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Commissioner,
I
would
like
to
go
back
to
the
eismach
question.
Is
there
any.
E
E
Who
have
information
or
comments
on
that
easement
as
well?
Just
just
so,
you
know.
H
E
E
The
development
that
you
would
that
you're
looking
at
shouldn't
have
a
real
effect.
J
To
northwest
that's
right
so
lot,
two
does
also
have
access
to
washington
to
the
south.
J
Yeah
well,
easements
go
with
deeds,
so
they
can't
be
deleted
from
from
deeds
easily.
A
We
will
recognize
you
and
you'll
have
five
minutes
to
speak.
If
you
have
any
trouble
with.
A
And
shed,
you
can
go
ahead,
hi
everyone!
I
am
not
a
representative
of
the
hamptons.
P
And
recognizing
the
rights
that
we
have
with
that
easement,
it
isn't
just
for
emergency.
E
Q
Here,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
say
that
I
do
understand
that
for
questions
that.
Q
Taken
up,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
chance
to
ask
them
anyway
and
because
in
the
past.
Q
In
advance,
if
they
do
get
answered,
this
is
a
kind
of
a
long
wind-up
for
a
question.
Q
Plan
review
will
or
this
site
plan
this
project
will
wind
up
with
more
than
a
one-to-one.
Q
Q
Way
or
it's
the
same
kind
of
situation
as
the
question
of
solar
that
commissioner
kinsey.
Q
Raised
so
sort
of
the
general
question,
am
I
thinking
about
that
in
the
right
way,
or
am
I.
Q
Missing
something
there
and
then
a
second
question
for
the
petitioner.
Is
there
an
estimated
time.
A
All
right,
we
are
back
to
the
commission
for
any
final
comment
or
for
a
motion.
F
That
dave
askins
raised
about
one
the
parking
and
and
what
can
be
compelled
in
terms
of.
F
The
number
of
spaces,
and
also
the
then,
to
the
petitioner
when
the
conversion
will
happen.
F
I
think
those
are
both
great
questions
great.
So
yes,
he
the
way
he
described
it
is
accurate.
E
We
can't
so
to
confirm.
Yes,
you,
as
planned
commission,
can
only
hold
them
to
the
current.
E
Zoning
code
in
the
current
zoning
district
so
that
zoning
district
allows
more
parking.
E
To
meet
the
requirements
of
a
district
that
doesn't
exist,
yeah
yeah,
so
that's
the
answer.
O
My
hands
around
the
exact
language
there
how
we
do
that
your
permit
process-
you
know
I
don't
know.
O
O
L
So
I
think
I
heard
you
say
that
these
are
the
footprint
of
the
hotel
room
itself
becomes.
O
O
We're
putting
in
a
typically
as
four
to
six
foot
long
kitchenette
with
a
sink
some
very.
O
I
Jackie,
that
might
be
a
question
for
you
or
keegan
oh
shoot,
I'm
not
sure.
A
A
whole
new
service
added
for
the
adjacent
property,
as
in
the
motel
6
side.
I
believe
we.
E
Sorry,
yes,
that
is
accurate.
They
are
adding
a
a
new
service
for
the
motel
6
project
and
part
of.
E
The
new
services
that
we've
gotten
over
the
over
the
last
few
years
are
that
they're.
E
Public,
so
they
would
be
available
to
anyone
and
also,
I
believe
that
the
sorry
I'm
trying
to
look.
E
At
the
route
map,
I
believe
at
this
location
this,
the
one
the
one
north
goes
by.
I
believe
one.
I
L
F
I
I
think,
is
really
great
to
see,
and
I
its
proximity
to
campus,
I
think,
makes
it
a
great
site.
F
And
access
to
on
a
bus
route
is
is
a
wonderful
way
to
make
this
very
appealing.
F
To
people
who
might
be
in
transition
between
you
know
this,
we
could
see.
F
F
A
I
I
think
that
you
know
it
will.
It
will
necessarily
be
more
affordable
than
than
other.
A
Types
of
housing,
certainly
more
affordable
than
the
new
construction
and
and.
A
It'll
create
a
great
density.
I
do
have
a
slight
concern
that
we're
we're
losing
a.
A
Lot
of
hotel
rooms
in
an
area
that
is
sort
of
prime
tourist
area,
with
its
proximity.
A
To
campus
and
athletic
facilities
and
close
to
the
downtown,
and
so
I
do
have
a
little
bit.
A
A
I
think
this
is
certainly
the
higher
priority,
but
I
I
think
just
we
shouldn't
ignore.
A
A
The
pandemic,
but
we
will
quickly,
as
we
come
out
of
the
pandemic,
still
be
realizing
that
we
are.
A
That
we
do
have
a
shortage
of
of
hotel
rooms
as
well,
and-
and
this
certainly
doesn't
help.
A
Very
appropriate
at
this
time
happy
to
support
it
unless
there's
any
other.