City of Bloomington, Indiana Plan Commission, 13 Jul 2020

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All right, well, let me call to order this meeting of the bloomington planning.

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Commission for july 13th 2020.. um Let's begin.

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With calling the role.

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Oh hold on sorry.

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Sorry, just a second we've got two meetings going on. At the same time,.

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So I don't normally call roll, but I think I probably am doing that tonight.

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So, just a sec, sorry, okay, uh brad whistler.

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Here chris cochran here, karen st john here sandberg.

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Here, kate, here burrell here, kenzie.

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Israel is he there. I think he is.

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And then we'll just go to copper here: okay,.

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That's good enough, I think brad we'll confirm israel's there when he can.

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Unmute great, uh I believe we do have uh minutes.

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To be approved from the june 2020 meeting, are there any uh questions.

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Or corrections additions uh or a motion to approve.

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Those minutes a motion to approve the june minutes.

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Jillian kinsey, second, okay,.

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Motion in a second all in favor of approving those minutes, uh say aye.

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Aye aye aye opposed.

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All right, so those minutes are approved, uh we'll go down to reports, resolutions.

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And communications: uh are there any reports or.

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Communications from staff: uh no, we don't have any for you tonight.

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um Well, I do sorry, thank you great. Yes, actually I.

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I do good evening everyone um I wanted to.

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Just take a few minutes of your time this evening, to let you.

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Know about a new initiative that planning and.

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Transportation will be undertaking um in light of the.

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Historic, peaceful protests of institutional.

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Racism currently taking place across the country and in bloomington um we recently updated, as you.

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Well know um our key planning documents, but we.

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Are going to be conducting a thorough review of these plans.

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And the vision documents um to in which would include the comp plan, the.

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Transportation plan uh the udo and um currently the.

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Mpo, the metropolitan planning organization.

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They are in the middle of their 2045 metropolitan transportation,.

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Plan we'll be reviewing these through the lenses of.

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Equity and planning for social justice, while considerations for equity and.

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Social justice were central to the development of these plans. We.

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Believe that the documents can benefit from a re-examination.

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Resulting in possible recommendations for needed revisions.

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The structure, deliverables timing- these are as yet undetermined, but.

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We will elicit public input in a meaningful way.

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Prior to moving forward with any identified.

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Changes: the city, the department of planning and.

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Transportation- and I know you all- remain committed to.

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Combating all forms of racism and inequity and recognize.

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How land use and transportation options can work to perpetuate.

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Or correct historical injustices, the staff and I have been discussing.

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Ways to approach this and fairly recently, just.

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Last year, the american planning association.

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Issued a a new guide and many other communities.

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Are are using this as well. It's called plan is planning for.

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For equity policy guide- and this is what it.

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Looks like and I will be putting the link in the.

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Chat area, um the guide details, 11 strategies with accompanying policy.

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Recommendations to ensure communities evaluate current land use.

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And planning policies in order to serve the public's interest.

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By striving to expand choice and opportunities for all.

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Persons recognizing a special responsibility to.

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Plan for the needs of disadvantaged groups and persons, the guide takes the approach equity in all policies and that's the.

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Approach that planning and transportation will be taking as well. It offers recommendations.

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On a wide variety of planning topics- 11, as I mentioned- and these include.

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Gentrification environmental justice, community engagement and empowerment.

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Climate change and resilience, health, equity, housing, mobility and.

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Transportation and and other areas- and these are all.

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Areas that we deal with and work with with our.

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Policies and our plans um every every single day.

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um We are addressing these uh in our 2021 budget um for our for our goals.

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And we'll be looking and again we're still formulating this. This is.

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We don't have everything firmed up, but some of the things that we.

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um Are committed to look at is, for example,.

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Looking at the policy recommendations in the guide and assess.

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Whether they aligned with our with our comp plan goals,.

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Do we have any blind spots, even though it was only uh just a couple of.

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Years ago that it was finalized, maybe there's a things that we.

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Overlooked at the time, another area.

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How does the udo's table of allowed of allowed uses align with the guide.

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Also, with regard to community engagement and empowerment,.

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How do we reach more people and gain more input and insight.

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On these matters, how do we build trust through outreach, um so.

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This is a just a brief description of a major initiative that we are.

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Undertaking it won't be finished by the end of the year. I won't it's a long-term project.

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But we certainly would uh appreciate your support.

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And along the way, as as we move forward in your recommendations,.

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And I'm happy to uh answer any questions that I can, if, if you have any questions.

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Thank you. Thank you. um Are there any questions.

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From commissioners at this time, nope.

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No questions um chair, but the uh I just wanted to again this.

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Is julian kidzie just affirm the importance of this and support the.

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Staff and the department in in proceeding with.

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This equity plan- I think it's great and I'm so glad there are resources.

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That facilitate this examination and I know it's challenging and we just.

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Went through this whole um udo and comp plan development, and I.

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Know we had everyone's best interest, at least as much as much as we can see.

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um At heart, I think it's really important to keep this.

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Forefront of our mind and really take advantage of resources, I'm eager to see.

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The planning for equity guide that you mentioned so thank you for, for.

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Making this a priority.

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Thank you, julian. uh Are there any additional reports or communications.

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From commissioners.

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Okay, seeing none, I think we are ready for our.

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Petitions then we have three petitions on the agenda tonight.

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They are in the order that we'll hear them sp 11-20.

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uh Johnson creamery at 400, west 7th street.

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uh Request for site plan approval to allow construction of a mixed-use.

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Building with 58 dwelling units, then sp dash, 15-20, annex student living.

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At 325 east third street, this is a request for site plan review.

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Of a two five-story mixed-use buildings in the uh md dco uv.

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Zoning district and then uh finally zo 16-20 duncan campbell.

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2300 west tap road: this is a request for a rezone of 19.73 acres.

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From employment to residential estate, so we will begin.

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uh With sp 11-20 johnson creamery and the case manager is eric, grulick and is.

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Eric with us, I am yes. Hopefully we will stay with you.

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The entire time, good luck, take it away here. Yeah luck.

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Luck will probably be needed.

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uh Yes, so first case: sp 11-20 uh is a petition for 335.

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West 8th street, this is just southwest of the showers building just to the.

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North of the johnson creamery building the property is zoned commercial.

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Downtown and it has been developed with a surface.

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Parking lot that is used for the johnson creamery office building just to the.

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South, so the petitioner is requesting site.

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Plan approval to allow for the parking lot property to be.

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Redeveloped with a mixed use, building with 60.

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Dwelling units, so here is the aerial photograph.

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The site area is marked in red. The beeline trail runs along the east.

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Side of this property 8th street runs along the north side of.

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This property, and just to the south on the south side of the johnson creamery, is 7th street. So there is an alley that.

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Used to run east to west through this site that was vacated some time ago, so the petitioner.

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Owns all of this property area and would like to redevelop the parking.

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Lot with a new mixed use building, so here's just a a rough site plan.

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I say rough because you just don't see a lot of detail in this particular drawing.

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But I'll go through some more slides and give a little bit more information, so the building would have parking on.

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The ground floor along the west side, there are two.

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Entrances that are shown along the alley along the west side that was not vacated.

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There will be an entrance on the south side of the building as well for the.

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Parking spaces and then the east side will have.

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Commercial space and retail uh along the beeline trail.

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See more here with the the first floor plan.

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The retail space is about 2 600 square feet.

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The parking will be on the west side. The north side will serve as a.

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Lobby and entrance to the apartment area, there are several entrances to the.

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Overall building itself, one on the north side along eighth.

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Street another along the east side, kind of in.

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Between the retail space and the lobby area and then the retail.

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Space as well will have several entrances as well.

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So there are several pedestrian accesses.

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To the building that is being proposed, um so this is a second floor plan.

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And I'm just kind of showing this to give you an idea of the overall layout.

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Of the building, so the first floor has a commercial.

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Space parking and then apartments above there.

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Is a portion of the roof that sticks out along the east side that.

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Will have a green roof and seating area um so we'll be able to.

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See this uh again here in just uh the next slide, so.

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This is a color rendering uh looking at the east side of the build.

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uh The b line trail is running along the foreground. Here, uh 8th street is on the right side of your.

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Screen um so you can see the retail space.

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Along the the front there, um the building is proposed to be five stories.

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In height um and I'll go through the height in just a minute, uh the downtown core area allows for.

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Four-Story building with a 50-foot height maximum.

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But the petitioner is proposing to utilize a new section of our code to gain an additional story.

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But I'll talk about that as soon as I get done with the the renderings here.

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So this is the east side of the building.

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Looking again still at the east side, you can see this kind of roof.

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Area that I mentioned above that retail space.

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That will have a green roof component as well as a seating area.

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A terrace for the residents, so that is an additional benefit here.

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You can see the johnson creamery smoke stack on the left side of the building.

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So the building will be finished with a mix of masonry.

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And fiber cement board siding you can kind of see that they have designed a.

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Base middle and cap, as well as modulation,.

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Throughout the building as as required, so this is a rendering or a massing.

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Model uh kind of looking at the surrounding areas.

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The johnson creamery building just to the south of this.

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Does stick up a lot over the existing buildings that surround this, and this.

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Will be very much in keeping with the design of surrounding buildings, as you can see in the previous rendering.

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They've utilized some of this sawtooth design that you see on the showers.

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Building this design we've also seen on several.

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Other buildings in this area, uh most notably for the 4th street or.

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I'm sorry for the the trades district garage that was being constructed just to the north of this. That's currently under construction.

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So the petitioners have tried to pay respect to some of the adjacent buildings for their design elements. The brick.

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Color, as well as the modulation on the top.

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So this is a view of the south side of the building.

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um These open spaces were the are the areas where you would access the parking.

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Garage um and then this was a rendering on the west side again showing the two entrances to the parking garage.

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So these would just be utilized for the residents.

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So this is the rendering on the north side of the building, so this is.

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Street facade, you can see on the corner there. That would be one of the.

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Pedestrian entrances and then on the left side adjacent to the retail space is another pedestrian entrance to the building.

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As well as access to the retail component.

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So, as I mentioned, the petition is requesting to allow for an additional.

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Story on the building and this petition is actually requesting.

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To utilize, two new sections of the unified.

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Development ordinance so the first new section of the code.

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That they are looking to utilize uh deals with the sustainable.

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Development incentives and the sustainable development.

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Incentives allow for an additional story, but not to exceed 12 feet if a petition.

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Demonstrates compliance with at least four of.

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Six possible criteria that are listed in the udl.

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um So this petition has utilized four of those elements.

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Those include the light colored hardscaping.

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Covered parking, cooler, vegetated roof and solar energy.

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So I'll go through each of those components here, so you can kind of see.

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How that's playing into account here so one of those is the.

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Cool or vegetated roof so, as you had seen in the.

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Renderings on the roof are several sawtooth elements. Those will all have.

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Solar panels so on this particular slide that you're.

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Seeing here this hatched area represents the two.

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Areas of solar panels, the rest of this is a white roof design.

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And then you can see the shaded area above the.

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Retail area will have the vegetative roof.

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Component, so this is how the petitioner has demonstrated their compliance.

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um With the requirements in that section, so the sustainable development.

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Incentives outline certain reflectivity requirements, which the petitioner has.

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Demonstrated their compliance with with the white membrane roof. That is.

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Being proposed so one of the other elements that is.

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Being proposed.

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Sorry, I'm trying to get my slide to advance here.

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uh Well, it's frozen up.

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Oh there we go um so one of the other elements dealt with the hardscaping.

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So that deals with the sidewalks, the plaza.

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Areas anything that is basically on the exterior site, that is.

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Not the building, so the areas that are shaded here show.

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These areas that will all be finished with the light colored hardscaping, so they have identified the specific.

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Materials, the concrete, the pavers that all have a very low reflectivity.

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And sri content, so they have demonstrated how they are.

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Meeting that requirement, one of the other requirements is the.

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All of the parking, or at least 75 percent of the parking uh has to be within an enclosed building.

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All of the parking that is on this site um will be within.

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An enclosed building, um so that is being met.

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um So, with the the four various components, the light color hardscaping.

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uh The covered parking, cooler, vegetated roof and the solar energy.

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um They are meeting um our staff believes that they are eligible.

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um And have demonstrated compliance with the.

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Four uh sections of the the sustainable development incentives that would allow.

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For that additional height, so the other element of this petition.

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That they are requesting to utilize, that is new to the udo.

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It allows for a reduction in parking, um so there are several sections.

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In this reduction of parking area that offers some opportunities for reduced.

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Parking on the site and the petitioner is requesting to.

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Utilize two of those provisions, so one of those.

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Provisions allows for a reduction of 15 reduction.

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uh If there's a fixed transit station within a quarter mile.

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So at the southeast of this site at 7th and morton.

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There is a bloomington transit uh station.

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So they would be allowed a 15 reduction which would allow for eight spaces to be.

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Removed from their parking number from the.

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Required on-site parking number, the other element that they're.

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Requesting to utilize from the new zoning code deals with a parking study, so the petitioners have submitted the parking.

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Study so the parking study, utilizes or looks.

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At possible ways for a project to.

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Reduce their parking requirement, as well as to.

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Offer reasons why the required number of parking spaces.

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Is not necessary for the site, so some of the things that they mentioned.

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In that parking study is the availability for.

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Sharing of vehicles for the high number of parking.

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For the high number of bedrooms, so this project will have.

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Several units that are three bedroom: four bedroom, five bedroom.

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So those higher bedroom count units reduce the need for everybody in there.

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To have a parking parking space or a car. In addition, one.

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And two bedroom units um often times not everybody, there will.

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Have a car um but another very important element to.

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This petition site is the uh construction.

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That is occurring right now for the new public parking garage.

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Immediately to the north of this, so there.

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Is our available parking spaces within that garage.

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That are certainly available for the residents here.

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If parking becomes an issue, so the petitioner has submitted that.

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Parking study uh kind of discussing the details that I just.

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Mentioned uh the availability of ride share programs that they will be.

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Contracting with um reduce need, based on shared parking within the building from.

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Residents uh and then also, as I just mentioned, the.

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Availability and location of a public parking garage immediately adjacent to the site, um so we are recommending um that the.

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Petitioner be granted the reductions that they are.

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That they have demonstrated um and to require.

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Only 36 parking spaces um versus the 56 that are required by.

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Code, um so with that, um this petition does meet all of our site plan.

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Requirements um for architecture for modulation.

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um And so we are recommending that the plan commission.

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Grant the two areas of reduction and the granting of the.

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Developments, sustainable development, incentives to.

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Add the additional story and we are recommending approval with.

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The five conditions that are listed in staff's report and I'm happy to answer any questions.

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All right, uh thank you. Is there anyone from.

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The petitioner, who would like to give their own presentation or add to.

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The uh the report.

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I'm sure there is eric, do you know who it's going to be and can you unmute them.

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um I just don't know who it would be.

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Oh dustin, there you go, I see okay, uh so we just I did it. I can't mute.

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Dustin there you go, you can ask to unmute him.

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There you go, justin. Are you there? I am all right. Okay,.

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Great yeah, okay, very good. Thank you for.

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I I I'm not gonna, I'm gonna hover a second presentation to.

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Go over eric did a wonderful job of uh presenting the project so.

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Myself and um ryan and michael here are also here from the ownership.

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Side to uh answer any further questions on this.

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All right, thank you, so we'll now go to uh commissioners for questions either.

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For for staff, or for the petitioner.

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Any questions from commissioners looks like.

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Commissioner, cochran's got a question: let's.

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Oops: okay: go ahead: oh you're, muted,.

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Okay, here we go uh either for dustin or eric.

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um First off how many current parking spaces are in that lot right now and.

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Then I have a follow-up question. um I don't have an exact number.

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I would guess something in the realm of about 40.

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Yeah, okay, that would be my guess as well so could eric? Could you.

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Could you explain access to their parking where I didn't understand was on.

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The south end, you said there was access to the the proposed parking from.

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The south end, could you just walk me through that, either on a site plan or how that's going yep.

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um So you can, you can see here there's an alley that runs along the west side.

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Of the property that spans from 7th street to 8th street, so there is a gap.

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Where the old platted alley used to be so, this new building will fit pretty.

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Much exactly on that northern square, so access to the.

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South side of that building will come from where the old platted alley used to be perfect. Okay,.

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And so that would be the entrance into the parking area. Is that correct.

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That would be one of them, so there will be an entrance on the south side of the.

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Building and on the west side of the building, okay and then will there be continued parking.

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Up against the um the johnson building, I guess.

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Would be the north side of the johnson building as well, so that looking from your site plan that there would there would continue to be parking.

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Along the building is that correct, or would that go away? Yeah? No, the the.

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Parking on the north side of the johnson building would remain.

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Perfect, okay! That's all! I have thanks.

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Okay, any other questions looks like commissioner. Kinsey has a question.

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I had two questions, one about material and I wonder if the petitioner could.

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Talk a little bit about the use of cast stone or.

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If there's any limestone in consideration here.

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And where that might be, certainly the um the kind of.

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Slide out element or on the along the b line is, um is in intended to be.

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A sort of a limestone uh piece uh on that, so that is the intent to.

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um Have that to be a limestone element uh on that first level, element.

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Piece um and then there are uh other stone elements at the you know at the.

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Table yeah at the sills and heads and uh kind of more.

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Brick uh detail pieces.

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Great and with this image up, this is great. This is exactly my next question.

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Is um I realize this is just a rendering so.

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It may not be exactly right per what's on the um b.

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Line- I guess that I mean it really does border right up to the b.

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Line there, um with a plaza, I guess that's the.

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Term I was looking for is that correct on here and is it.

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Indicated by the different color papers there that the.

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Lighter pavers there are the current plaza space of beeline.

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Or is that I mean, I remember, there's a grassy.

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Space between the parking lot and the um b line currently.

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Yeah, uh so there is a if you I, along that b line. If you go back to that.

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Image there, the edge of that uh of the b line, is kind of.

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This this curved element, and so the intent, is to.

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Kind of meet that um meet that edge right there.

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Incorporate there's a seat wall that could that defines the edge but also kind of um to permeate that to allow access to.

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The retail uh space within the building.

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Okay, so no um right now there are just some small.

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Trees, I think there that people I often see sitting there.

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um For shade- and I know there are some trees currently.

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Again, we can't really see that in this rendering, because it's their trees are.

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Also, alongside the johns, the current johnson creamery.

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Building but I just wonder I mean I see two small trees in this.

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In this rendering, but I wonder if there are any.

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Thoughts about making any grassy area there to provide a little shade for.

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That space, it will actually be a bit of a.

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Challenge right there: what is uh what wasn't presented here, but it's on.

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The civil drawings is, there is a currently and it's almost.

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Faintly seen, there's a box culvert that runs.

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Underneath the site today and um and that's something that.

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Will be part of the project is to help kind of.

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Mitigate the kind of storm water issues that are occurring.

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On that site, so that box culvert is actually going to have to be.

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Shifted along parallel with the uh with the bee.

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Line and kind of in that one space that we have available right there.

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So while we are uh we'll, we will be looking to.

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Kind of get that plaza space as much as we possibly can getting as much.

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uh Greenery in there as possible, um there's going to be a very much of a.

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Challenge of this of the soil depth that will be available to us, um covering that that box culvert, because.

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We want that to work, um circling.

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And then I just had one more question. I I don't know.

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If this rendering exists or if there's an image.

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But the one thing that is missing from this and I realize why it isn't in the.

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Packet is a view from 7th street, and I just I.

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Can't get a sense of how much the how the building will.

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Articulate with the current um 7th street frontage of johnson, I realize.

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That that's not part of the design but other than this one. That you're showing.

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Thank you. I can't get a sense of how they're.

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Articulated I mean there's there's space between them clearly from.

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The previous question related to the parking that will still be available.

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On the north side of johnson creamery, but I can't get a sense of if it'll feel.

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Like it's completely, on top of the other, the current johnson creamery.

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Building um and how close that will be even to.

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The smoke stack existing, so I just I don't know.

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um There's, I presume, there's no image or photograph.

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Of that to get that perspective yeah so from 7th street, um you know it will.

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The building will be largely obscured, um as you would be walking down the.

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Street uh by a combination of the of the original creamy.

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Building itself, but also there is um along the b line, there's uh some trees.

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That are developed along there um related to the smokestack itself. The.

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The notion has been to kind of you know, kind of you know.

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Hug, the smoke smokestack, obviously to keep our distance from it and not.

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Compromise it structurally because it is just a really wonderful amenity.

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And we recognize it as a landmark and we don't want to kind of take anything away.

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From that, so um you know we're staying at 10 feet.

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Off of the location of the smokestack and then from the.

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Existing uh johnson creamery building it's about another 30 feet.

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From the southern edge to the northern edge of that building,.

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And then the intent is, to kind of you know, kind of create some more.

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Outdoor spaces, you know in those nooks right there.

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uh I think that's one rendering had some yellow umbrellas.

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um uh Right there that were kind of showing.

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uh That spot we see it as a really just a wonderful space that can be developed.

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uh To kind of create this little found pocket.

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um You know along the trail yeah eric. Do you have anything to add about.

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The images or anything from the seventh street side.

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Or comment on that any concerns about that.

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um No, I I don't, I don't have any other images.

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From that side um you know they're they're meeting all of their setbacks.

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So in terms of any respective changes that they need to make the.

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Petition meets everything that the udl would require for that.

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Okay. Okay, thank you thanks everybody. Thank you. uh Any other questions from.

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Commissioners, I see, commissioner, uh I have a question.

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Okay, go ahead, commissioner burrell and then I think commissioner kaden.

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Commissioner, copper, I saw hands as well, so we'll go in that order. My question is in relation to.

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The proximity to uh a historic building in town.

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Of course, the smokestack is a historic, very historic structure.

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As well as the johnson creamery building have the petitioners.

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Have they met with the historic reservation commission.

H

On that, in our conversation with uh eric, I.

F

Know he's relayed, uh I believe, he's relate.

F

This to the historic preservation commission.

F

And um I haven't seen any uh commentary back from that. um If.

F

I'm from mistaken uh please correct me or.

F

Yep, so the uh so, the udo only requires uh buildings that are to the side.

E

Of historic buildings to have any kind of a step back, buildings that are in the.

E

Rear of historic buildings aren't required to have any sort of uh you know additional step back or.

E

Modulation or any of the historic things that come in so because.

E

This is to the rear of that they're not required to do anything.

E

Different or special.

E

Does that help? Yes, that's what I wanted to clarify. Thank you. Well, I think.

B

Sometimes right we take things to the hbc for courtesy review when they're.

B

Near storage structures right even if it's not required, so I and obviously flavia- was on the hpc. So she has experience.

B

With that did that happen in this case? No, I don't.

E

Think this went to the hpc okay thanks.

I

Okay, so I had a quick question. This obviously has.

I

Excuse me a lot of reduced parking, which is itself.

I

A big plus in terms of decreasing car usage and environmental impacts, but.

I

I did wonder: are there any electric vehicle charging.

I

uh Stations that are contemplated as part of this for the remaining parking.

I

Spaces uh eric can you unmute ryan.

F

E

Yeah go ahead. Brian um actually, can you unmute, michael.

J

I

Playing past the zoom hot potato.

E

um Michael he's, uh no, I can't oh yeah there you go.

K

We have not gotten actually that far into the.

K

Those details, but uh it is something I own, an electric vehicle.

K

So uh it is something that I believe in and.

K

I do think uh something we would like to incorporate.

K

In um into the plan uh most likely, I think you know we would.

K

Look at maybe doing one or two uh on the.

K

Exterior on the south side of the building.

K

Then and then maybe one or two on the interior.

K

I do believe that you know in the next, certainly in the lifetime of this.

K

Building uh there will be a lot more electric.

K

Cars on the road- and you know anything that.

K

We build today, I think it's important to sort of.

K

Future proof um the developments uh for.

K

You know we plan on being long-term owners, uh but.

K

You know in case we sell for the future owners as well, so.

K

It's a very good point. Thank you. Thank you.

J

I also had a question on the lungs of parking.

J

I really like this idea of contracting with a ride sharing program.

J

Curious to hear more details about what that contract would mean.

J

Is it um you know, is it that the tenants somehow.

J

Are enrolled in the program or have a reduced view of the program or does the.

J

Contract ensure that there's a car share vehicle there. What what does.

J

It mean to contract with one of those companies.

K

So what we will do is reach out to um zip car go car. The you know.

K

Top two or three um ride share uh operators and what they typically do is.

K

uh They have a dedicated space or we said.

K

You know we'll provide up to three spaces um if there is.

K

Enough demand, where they, basically, um they have those spaces and a car, is.

K

There available for whoever's in uh that program.

K

So it could be again that's something where we could have an external one.

K

Where it doesn't have to be a tenant of the building, it could be somebody else.

K

In the community, but we have a dedicated space where.

K

You know once somebody's done with the car: they bring it back to that space.

K

And whoever you know is a member of that program.

K

Could then uh rent that car when they need it, when it's available.

J

So are I guess, what are, are you doing anything other than setting aside the.

J

Spaces and reaching out to someone what is what is the contract.

K

Right, we would just be looking to um reach out to those.

K

Companies and contract with them to have them.

K

Take space and provide their service to you know, tenants and other members of.

K

J

So in the in the parking report, I think it mentions.

J

uh You know a citizen example of a a development that.

J

Contracted with a rideshare company and actually paid, I.

J

Think paid for a vehicle or something to actually be there. It sounds like.

J

You're just to clarify you're not doing that you're. Basically, setting aside the.

J

Spaces and then trying to get somebody to come fill them. We would accurate. Ideally, yes, we would lean on there. You.

K

Know the the zip cars of the world are the better operators in this space. um You know I could certainly purchase a.

K

Car and put it on turo or one of those uh you know ride, sharing.

K

Apps, I guess um and- and you know that's something we.

K

Could do if no other ride sharing companies felt.

K

There was sufficient demand. I believe that we will.

K

Find um you know that they will be excited to.

K

You know get a space in this building, um but it is something that we could do.

K

Ultimately, on our own, if need be, the technology.

K

And you know the third party apps are there to do that.

B

uh Neil, if I could jump in um it, is a condition of approval.

B

That they that they do uh do provide a contract. So it um not just.

B

That they will provide the space if someone is interested, but they are required to find a contract or do it themselves to provide the minimum of three spaces. I don't know if that helps answer the.

B

J

Okay, thanks: okay, any additional questions from.

A

Commissioners, I've I've got just a couple of questions.

A

Myself, um can you talk, maybe just for a minute.

A

About uh the smoke stack, I am very familiar with this building. I my.

A

Office was in this building for about 15 years, and in that time we probably uh got to witness maintenance on that smoke.

A

Stack uh 30 times in in 15 years, it's sort of a.

A

Clearly, a lot of work to keep that thing standing up straight.

A

Have you considered, you know, access to it and.

A

You know how you can get a crane in there to do maintenance on the.

A

Smokestack is there enough room uh here with.

A

With the new footprint to be able to adequately maintain that.

F

But I think from the uh an access and an access standpoint.

F

um There will remain a uh a good amount of space to get to that.

F

And that's why we've stayed off of that um uh even on the on the north and the.

F

West side of it right there, obviously to the.

F

East and the south that in company becomes a little bit more uh unencumbered, um so that becomes the primary.

F

uh Access to that um you know, obviously there is.

F

There has been a bit of work done to this uh over the years and so.

F

um You know that becomes something that we have.

F

We'll be paying special attention to um not only for the future, but also during.

F

The construction of the building to making sure that.

F

um You know that we're kind of being clear of that.

F

And not undermining the structure of that, so that becomes a pretty special.

F

Consideration as we look to develop that spot.

A

Yeah, I'm assuming that you're going to have to do some substantial.

A

Excavating, since you mentioned the culvert.

A

uh Is there any concern about um how close do you have to get to the.

A

The smokestack, I guess in your excavation, well the building.

F

Itself uh is uh you know, kind of 10 feet as the is.

F

The closest uh so we'd, be, you know, operating you.

F

Know pretty um you know, you know kind of in a pretty.

F

uh You know kind of as far as excavation.

F

Goes, um you know, wouldn't be kind of.

F

Going digging too far away from that in some ways the um it helps the.

F

Situation a little bit because the the culvert will be moving away from the smoke stack um from where it is.

F

Today so we kind of see that as a as a good.

F

Opportunity to kind of get that piece um away from the building and kind of.

F

You know uh you know re-look at what we have.

F

Without going to the north end and the west of the building,.

F

Or of the smoke stack but uh and generally it's you know, it's not.

F

Going to be, um it doesn't differ too much than.

F

A lot of other urban uh sites where we haven't.

F

Or you have an adjacent building, um it's just something that we have to.

F

Make sure that the uh construction is taking.

F

A

Okay, thanks um so can is it in the in the picture that we're seeing now.

A

Where there's the green umbrellas, I'm assuming that's kind of your.

A

That's your access point for maintenance to the.

A

To the smokestack, I think that becomes uh one of the.

F

uh One of the spots yes and that's directly off of the beeline trail, so.

A

You'd have to kind of come in from the trail side to get to it. So right, okay, um next question is about is about.

A

Parking for um for the existing building.

A

You know, there's uh I think it was said about 40 spots that are there now.

A

And those are generally pretty well utilized by the office tenants.

A

In the um in the creamery building, since those are going away, or at least.

A

The substantial number of those are going away.

A

What's the what's the plan for parking for those office, tenants.

K

So we've um you know, obviously when when parking is free, it gets heavily.

K

Utilized when we came in and purchased the.

K

Building, basically, all tenants were allowed free parking in that lot.

K

We have moved to a monthly, a monthly rent for parking which has.

K

Decreased usage somewhat and we've. Basically let.

K

People know that you know parking is going to get reduced.

K

We will still have uh parking along the.

K

The north end, um if there is excess parking.

K

um We told them, you know if, if the residents of the.

K

Apartment building are not utilizing all the parking uh there could be.

K

You know parking spaces made available. We have also.

K

Talked with the um church on the I guess on 7th street.

K

Directly across the alley to the west, they have, I believe, 10 or 12 spaces.

K

That they would uh basically master we would. We could master lease.

K

um If we found that parking uh was for the office, tenants was becoming.

K

Cumbersome um they could do that.

A

So that's a process. You've already started in terms of.

A

uh In terms of leases for those tenants, it's it's clear that parking is not.

A

Included in those leases uh anymore, correct.

A

Got it okay um and then just final final question. I guess for uh for staff.

A

Just um is that your recommendation that that.

A

We um approve this um just with a.

A

With a single hearing here, um yeah so site plans typically are only.

E

Required one hearing, um so they're they're not required a.

E

Second hearing for this petition, um if playing commission feels.

E

Comfortable with the information that has been submitted.

E

Certainly, you know they can follow staff's recommendation.

A

Okay, thanks any other questions from commissioners.

A

Oh looks like commissioner: herrera's got one.

L

Right question: go ahead, yep, so yeah regarding the solar energy, yeah.

L

If we could hear something more about this.

L

A compromise or intention to meet this.

L

F

uh Certainly the uh the solar energy component.

F

Is uh would be largely um on the on the other side of these um of these.

F

Sawtooth components, uh if you will um so.

F

The kind of the glazing element as we're as.

F

uh Eric is flashing by um faces the north and then the and the.

F

Southern the long southern leg of it, um uh it.

F

Kind of pops up conveniently towards the south.

F

um And then starts to give you about 35.

F

Of the of the roof area coverage um you know for for solar panels, in those.

F

Specific spots right there.

L

Okay, thank you.

A

Okay, any final questions before we go to the public.

A

Okay, so we'll move now to public comment and the way that this will work if.

A

You're, if you're here uh to comment on this.

A

You'll need to raise your hand or virtually raise your hand if you.

A

Click on the participants button on the bottom of.

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The screen that'll bring up a list of participants.

A

And there should be a.

A

A button at the bottom of that screen that says raise hand and raising your.

A

Hand will notify us that you want to make a public.

A

Comment- and I think jackie will.

A

Unmute you when you're unmuted, if you would just state your name for the.

A

Record and you'll have up to five minutes to make your comment.

B

B

Greg are you there yep yep, go ahead. Awesome thanks! uh Hi, I'm greg alexander.

M

I just I always talk about sidewalks. You know I almost didn't talk about.

M

Sidewalks on this one, because it's right downtown, how could we be short sidewalks? But uh here I am talking about sidewalks if.

M

You go east on 8th street. You run into the city hall parking lot.

M

Where the you know, the showers building where the the farmers market is- and I know there are worse environments to walk in the.

M

City, but you wind up walking about 100 feet, just cross country across the parking lot. No, no marking, no, no pedestrian crossing! No.

M

Nothing you're just kind of, and it's a surprisingly awkward.

M

Experience and that matters, because um there is a bus, stop.

M

At seventh and and what in madison, I guess.

M

As they said, um but the bus stop, that's a that's a two.

M

That bus uh serves uh crestmont hill kind of area and it's.

M

A half hour bus and people, uh especially if they're going to campus they're gonna, take um the sixth bus which is at ninth and.

M

College uh by smallwood the smallwood bus stop and.

M

So they're gonna wind up walking through the city hall parking lot and it's just I know I'm not asking the petitioner to fill in.

M

That ridiculous sidewalk gap, but when that parking lot was done, they.

M

Gave no consideration pedestrians and it's really it's just it's a shocking.

M

Embarrassment, the city, I think um so uh moving right along uh this.

M

Really is a good plan because it doesn't add too much more parking. I.

M

Mean it actually, uh it seems like it gets rid of a couple spaces. That's that's a big deal. um I did counts in april of 2019.

M

uh At park on morton, which is about a quarter mile north of this site,.

M

And they have a 383 space garage and I did intensive counting at many different.

M

Hours over a busy college weekend- and I never saw.

M

More than 52 percent occupancy um between 6th street and kind of like.

M

12Th street, between rogers and college there you know that kind of super block.

M

I found 1700 spaces in structured garages.

M

And I counted those at day and at night and.

M

Total peak occupancy was never 70. That's that's a amazing how much extra.

M

You know that we're talking about like 600 extra parking spaces.

M

And the way to get people to be creative about how to utilize them. You know.

M

Calling up their neighbors and say: well, you you have extra spaces I want to. I want to arrange something. That's.

M

That's something that happens when there's constrained parking. So if we can.

M

Do anything to stop adding more parking in this district? That is uh a big win. um Really, it should be the.

M

Default and you should have to do a parking study to have too much parking, but that's just progress right.

M

um And another thing: uh this joins the b line and I'm I'm really.

M

Starting to appreciate how how severe a disconnect there is between the planning and transportation department and parks and rec.

M

Because parks and rec is not a transportation body, they don't have.

M

um Any responsibility to the city's comprehensive plan or to the city's.

M

um The transportation plan or the the udo they.

M

They frankly don't care and I'm I'm pretty sure, both the udo.

M

And the transportation plan call for like a a one foot shy zone.

M

At least uh beside multi-use paths, and in the past, at like foundry 304 parks,.

M

And rec has just shrugged and said we don't mind you building, um they wound up building a handrail into that shy zone.

M

And it's like that's kind of terrifying as a cyclist to have.

M

Obstacles just right at handlebar level, extending.

M

Right up to the very edge of the path you know it gives you limited space and.

M

The planning and transportation staff understands that planning and transportation staff will enforce these kind of transportation standards.

M

But parks and rec simply doesn't care, so the staff obviously don't have the.

M

Authority to take this uh to take the bee line from parks and rec.

M

But you guys have a responsibility both to the the.

M

Plan uh the city's plans and and to this.

M

Particular project that you can take that particular responsibility out of the hands of parks and rec and say that you have to negotiate um traffic with transportation.

M

With the planning and transportation department, um because if they negotiate.

M

The design with parks and rec- it's not gonna, do any good. um I recently had an experience at the the 6th street project west of.

M

Blooming foods they're building right up to the b line and they had parked a truck in the b line.

M

I reported it and plenty of transportation staff said we can't do anything about it, that's that's parks and rec, and we we should just not do that. uh Planning transportation should design.

M

The maintenance and traffic plan should take the bee line into account, as.

M

A transportation facility and should be in charge of enforcement.

M

For that- and I think we we should start that this would be a great project to start it. It's it's a big deal, um anyways thanks a bunch.

A

A

What do we have next, uh jackie, so sorry, jim shelton, I just missed him, hold.

B

On I clicked the wrong thing, this is.

B

Okay, jim uh good evening, uh commission, uh jim shelton, uh I'm with the chamber.

N

Of commerce, and until just uh recently we were located.

N

In the johnson creamery- and I wonder how you guys are handling water, I don't.

N

Remember I don't know if brad was there, but that.

N

Got flooded very badly several times, 2008 was spectacular. I remember that.

N

But it didn't take that much to foot it several other times the land to the west.

N

Rises up, the water comes, rushing down all those streets and it runs.

N

Through what is now that parking lot, and at least into the johnson creamery at.

N

Times so I I'm, assuming you guys, know that.

N

And have have got it addressed, but I'm curious: how are you going to handle that.

N

Water, especially getting into your parking area and your.

N

First floor developments there so brad, I don't know.

N

If you can add to that because I don't know if you were in the creamery at the time, but it's flooded a number of.

N

Times, thank you. Thank you.

A

And just a note for for those who are making public comment, we.

A

This isn't really a time for back and forth. We need to keep things moving in.

A

Order to make sure everyone gets a chance to speak, but we will make an effort when we get back to our final comments to try to.

A

uh Answer any questions that are raised during the public comment period.

A

Do we have any other yeah dave? Are you there.

O

Yes, I'm here go ahead thanks a lot. um I appreciate commissioner whistler.

O

Clarifying uh what the situation is with um public.

O

Commentary and how it's not uh necessarily uh well, it's absolutely not.

O

A back and forth, it's not a time to get questions answered immediately, but that.

O

Eventually, maybe they can be answered and that's what I wanted to do as well.

O

Ask a question about the uh car share contract. It sounded to me like there was.

O

One possibility that the contract could entail people.

O

Who don't live in the building being able to participate in.

O

The company's program! So if it's a zipcar program that if you're a zipcar.

O

Member, then, you would have access to those.

O

Spaces, that's what I thought. I heard that that was possible and I just wanted to get a confirmation.

O

Of that, and maybe an estimation of how likely it would be.

O

um That that is, is how the contract would be structured.

O

uh With sort of public access to the um the zip cars or whatever car sharing.

O

Company, it was thanks, thank you, and could you please.

A

Just uh state your name for the record: uh yes, dave, askins, d-a-v-e-a-s-k-I-n-s,.

O

Thank you dave.

K

Would you like me to answer that now? uh No, let's wait till we uh to we're.

A

Done with public comment and then commissioners can uh can feel free to.

A

To bring these questions back up during our final uh comment period here.

A

uh Is there anyone else who's requested to speak.

B

I don't see anyone else in there. Isn't anyone on the facebook live, so I think.

B

We're good, okay! Well, that's a good time yeah! We.

A

Will be we'll now go back to uh commission.

A

For uh any uh final questions, comments uh or a motion.

P

I have a question. I have two questions, it's karen. um So can you answer michael.

P

The question about the ride share and also um maybe dustin or whoever can.

P

Comment about the water, the flooding that does occur in that parking lot.

K

Yep I'll take the uh the ride, rideshare question, so we do have.

K

Spaces that um along the south of the building.

K

That are uh external access, so they're not inside the.

K

uh The garage they're accessed from I guess that.

K

Shared driveway between the johnson screamer building and to the south.

K

Of the new proposed building, my idea would be that you could have.

K

A ride share space there that is open and would not create any.

K

Access building access issues so that a member.

K

Of zipcar could freely access that space.

F

Or but I can yeah, I think kendall's here hold on just a sec.

B

Sorry, oh no, maybe he dropped sorry. Okay,.

P

Sorry kendall is here with the race: oh there he is, I see him sorry. He went to.

B

The top of the list here we go sorry kendall.

B

Okay, kendall go ahead; okay, it's actually not kendall. It's sorry.

Q

So yes, the right person yeah so about the.

Q

Stormwater management- that is definitely something that.

Q

We will work with cbu on this entire project. There's.

Q

Like a husband mentioned, there is an existing culvert that runs underneath.

Q

This parking lot and as a part of this development plan.

Q

Stormwater management is something that we will definitely have to take into.

Q

Consideration and make sure that everything is sized in this per.

Q

Cbu, so details haven't been exactly worked.

Q

Out at this point other than the major culvert realignment.

Q

But it's something that we do after playing.

Q

Commission approval is go through those fine details with cbu.

P

Great. Thank you.

A

Okay, any other uh additional questions from commissioners or.

A

um Are we ready for a motion.

A

Looks like uh commissioner cochran's gotta.

G

So uh dustin and I think the other gentleman on here and.

G

I noticed that dave harstad's on here as well. Could you could you just explain.

G

One more time how you're going to deal with the current tenants and their parking needs. uh You mentioned it once, but I just kind.

G

Of kind of missed a few things, if you wouldn't mind going through that, just real quick, so uh the intention is obviously offer.

K

All the spaces that we have um available not allocated to this.

K

Building, if there's excess.

K

Parking available uh that the tenants do not.

K

uh Rent in that building that will be offered up to.

K

Existing uh johnson's premier office tenants.

K

We have also spoken with um the church directly to the west of the uh johnson's.

K

Primary building they have it's 10 or 12 spaces.

K

That they have said they are willing to master these to us long term.

K

As another option, okay, great thank you.

A

Okay, um would anyone like to make a motion the.

A

Staff recommendation is for approval, um with with five conditions of approval.

C

Motion approval of sp, 1120 johnson creamery.

C

um With the following, the five conditions.

C

Outlined in the staff report, a second okay, we have a motion by.

A

uh Commissioner kinsey seconded by commissioner kate,.

A

Any final discussion final comments before we.

A

A

Seeing none, I think, we're ready to uh call the rule.

H

Okay barrel: yes, okay, yes,.

H

Cockroam, yes, herrera, yes, kinsey! Yes,.

H

Copper, yes, sandberg. Yes, st john, yes,.

H

Whistler, yes,.

A

I believe that passes nine zero.

A

Thank you very much uh to the petitioner. We are.

A

Moving on now to our next petition, which is sp.

A

15-20 annex student living- this is a site plan review of a.

A

Two-Story five mixed pseudo, two of two five-story mixed-use.

A

Buildings uh in the dco uv zoning district and the.

A

Case manager for this petition is ryan, robling, ryan.

A

Are you ready, uh yes, all right, take it away all right.

R

uh This petition is the wrong one.

R

Okay! Sorry about that, this petition is for the properties located at 325 east.

R

3Rd street and 403 east 3rd street both properties are located in the.

R

Mixed-Use downtown district uh and are within the university village.

R

Character overlay, the properties are currently developed.

R

With multi-family dwellings, the comprehensive plan has identified.

R

These properties as downtown the surrounding properties.

R

Include commercial uses to the north and south multi-families to the east and mixed uses to the south and west.

R

The western portion of the site features parcels which fall within the restaurant.

R

Pro local historic district, as well as a building which has been designated as.

R

Contributing on the bloomington historic sites and structure survey.

R

No developments is proposed on either parcel.

R

Either of those parcels nor anything, any changes to the contributing.

R

Structure, the petitioner is proposing to construct.

R

Two new five-story buildings, one to the.

R

Northeast corner and one to the northwest corner of the third and grant.

R

Interstate section, the project was designed to.

R

Utilize, the udo's tier two, affordable housing incentives.

R

These incentives were designed to encourage developments to provide.

R

Needed, affordable housing in the city, um tier two incentives.

R

uh Allowed developments uh to be designed um that are larger than would.

R

Otherwise be allowed in in within zoning districts, the.

R

Proposed site plan includes a mixture of uses including ground floor.

R

Non-Residential unit uses um parking structure.

R

And upper floors will be dedicated to dwelling units.

R

The buildings will both uh contain a mixture of studio, one bedroom and two.

R

Bedroom units uh the east building will include 53.

R

Total dwelling units, 34 studios, 15, one bedroom units and four.

R

Two bedroom units: it will also contain 4425 square feet of ground floor.

R

Non-Residential space excluding parking the ground floor is.

R

5908 square feet: um 24 on site parking spaces will be.

R

Provided all within the proposed parking structure, um 19 are required after the tier 2, affordable housing.

R

Incentives are achieved, the west building will.

R

Include 49 units 53, total beds, 31 studios, 14, one bedrooms and four two.

R

Bedroom units the ground floor here will consist of.

R

2565 square feet of non-residential uses excluding parking again. It's 4 627.

R

Square feet of ground floor 21 on-site parking spaces will be.

R

Provided in the proposed west building parking structure.

R

Five additional on-street parking spaces will be included along south.

R

R

The plan commission must complete a major site plan review of all projects.

R

Which qualify for the affordable housing incentives and contain more than 50 dwelling units? uh The plan commission will also have to.

R

Consider the following, while revealing the proposal first non-residential uses on the first floor, uh the.

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Mduv uh requires that um 50 of the ground floor. Excuse me.

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Because the buildings front along east third, here.

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uh 50 percent of the ground floor must be dedicated to non-residential uses.

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Excluding parking the east building will achieve that at 75 percent.

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And the west building will also achieve it at 61 of the buildings.

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um Being ground floor being non-residential.

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Usage, the maximum height in the mbuv is three stories not to exceed.

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40 feet: the east building is proposed to be five stories.

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Two stories over the maximum or 24 feet over the maximum.

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The same is true with the west building. It's five stories, two stories over the.

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Maximum or 24 feet above the maximum, um but because the.

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Petitioner is utilizing the tier two affordable housing incentives.

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Two additional stories can be allowed. um The proposal will meet the tier two.

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Adjusted requirements um as it's 64 feet, maximum.

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And uh five stories, uh the mduv requires a minimum parking to be provided for.

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Multi-Family dwellings, the rate is uh half a space per studio.

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One space per bedroom and one and a half spaces for two bedroom.

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Unit, the east building would be required to.

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Provide 38 spaces where the west building would be required to provide 33 spaces again, because the petitioner is.

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Proposing to utilize the tier 2, affordable, housing incentives, the maximum number of required parking spaces is reduced by 35.

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So the east building will only be required to provide 19 spaces.

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Whereas it will actually be providing 24 the west.

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Building will be provided would be required to provide 18 spaces.

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It will actually provide 26, total 21 on site and five.

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Street parking, so the proposal will meet tier two adjusted requirements for.

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Parking as well, the east building will feature three pedestrian entrances.

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uh The non-residential uses will access um entrances along south branch, the.

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Parking structure will derive access from a shared entrance along east.

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Third and shared entrances along uh south.

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Grant residential units will share those uh two entrances.

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The west building will feature four pedestrian entrances. The west building.

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Will feature non-residential uses uh will be derived access from south.

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Grant and the entrances along third grant uh the parking structure will derive access from an entrance along third.

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And um a second shared entrance along third.

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Whereas the residential will derive access from the shared.

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Access shared law enfants along third and.

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The west building will feature a single vehicular entrance.

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At the northeast corner of the property which drives access from an.

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Alley to the north of the property, the existing driveway on south grant will be.

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Closed and at the sidewalk and the street tree.

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Pattern will be completed, the east building will feature a single.

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Vehicular entrance at the north west corner of the property.

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um And and a drive cut along the alley to.

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The north of the property, the drive cut, appears to widen the.

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Existing platted alley, as opposed to turning off the alley east.

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Of the intersections with south grant, the this drive cut may be required to be.

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Modified in order to meet the entrance and drive standards, um but the general location um will be utilized. The petitioners are.

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Proposing to improve the alley in order in order to grant the building of.

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Vehicular access the east building will be required. Five.

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Bicycle parking spaces per bedroom. uh That proposal uh meets.

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That the west building also uh five bicycle.

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Parking spaces per bedroom and we'll meet that um the each building.

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Has 11 spaces the west building has 10. um commercial.

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Uses are required to provide 10 of the provided vehicle parking spaces.

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For bicycle parking with a minimum of six spaces.

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The west building will meet this requirement, um whereas the east building.

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Will only provides two spaces and will need to provide the.

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Additional four spaces condition of approval has been.

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Added to this proposal, the following architectural and material.

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Standards must also be met. The building uh primary building, roof.

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Design is a flat roof with parapet which is allowed the first floor of facade setback.

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The set step back on the floors above third.

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Along third of the third floor and along third.

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Street and south grant will be 15 feet, windows and doors on primary facades, 50.

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Of primary facades, utilizing transparent, glass or open areas.

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Consisting with display windows consisting of display windows, entrances.

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And doors that will meet as well pedestrian.

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Entrances the are required to have two at least two.

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Architectural design features the current proposal.

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um Has canopies and landscape patio areas.

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With outdoor seating and so those will meet.

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Although the department does encourage additional architectural.

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Design features on the south 3rd street or the east 3rd street frontage on the.

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East building that could make the the entrance more.

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Pedestrian friendly.

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uh The proposed development- uh oh sorry, the uh facade materials.

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Include brick veneer for primary structure, materials.

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And secondary building materials of fiber cement panels, both of which are.

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Allowed in mduv so.

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The proposed development meets all the architectural and material standards.

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The site plan there, the site will be required to.

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Plant one canopy tree per 40, feet of property abutting, a public right-of-way.

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They are proposed to meet that, but they'll have to confer with the urban.

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Forester to see what they plant, but it the site, will also.

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Need a submit a acceptable landscaping plan.

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um As new landscaping will be required to be installed throughout the site,.

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So that was a condition of approval as well. uh The mdv.

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Mduv allows uh covered parking, update or covered lots to be covered up to 85.

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Within previous surfaces, uh the east building is at 85 percent.

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The west building is at 80.9 percent, so the development meets those required.

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Proposals or standards: uh this is the proposed.

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North elevation, looking at the structures from the north facing toward third street, uh you can see the historic structure on.

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The right there um as to remain.

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The uh these are the proposed south elevations.

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Looking north from third, you can see the two pedestrian entrances.

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On the west, building, along with the one on the east building.

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This is the west building's east and west elevations.

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You can see both pedestrian entrances and vehicular entrance on the west.

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Elevation as well as the landscaped seating area.

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Here are the east and west elevations for the west building.

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You can see the pedestrian entrances on the east elevation.

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You can also see the current existing historic structure on the east elevation.

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Which will be again remain untouched. uh The proposed upper floor dwelling.

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Units for the east building can be seen here.

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Second and third floors uh share a similar layout and the fourth and fifth.

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Floors share a similar layout to one another.

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uh The proposed upper dwelling units for the west building can be seen here.

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Second and third floor again share a similar layout and fourth and fifth.

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Floor share a similar layout.

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So the proposed development means all the development standards of the ndv.

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Uv with the following exceptions: maximum height.

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Minimum vehicle parking, minimum required bicycle parking and minimum.

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On-Site landscaping, but because of the tier 2.

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Affordable housing incentives, two additional stories.

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Of height are granted up to 24 feet, which this meets, that qualification and.

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Then a reduction in required vehicle parking.

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Is also allowed because of the tier 2, affordable, housing incentives, and so they are within that reduction. uh Conditions of approval have been included for the bicycle parking.

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And landscaping requirements the department believes that, with the aid of the incentives, the.

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Development provides a much needed housing for a wide array of tenants in an ideal location.

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While meeting the design and aesthetic goals of the udo.

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So with that, the planning and transportation department recommends that the planned commission adopt the proposed findings and approve sp 1520 with the following conditions. The the project is approved pursuant the.

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Clients of the tier 2, affordable incentive incentive criteria, as outlined in the petitioner statement, and this report.

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And will have to meet all the requirements associated with such incentives. The petitioner will provide provide.

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Additional required number of bicycle parking spaces for the commercial uses in the east, building on the site plan prior to.

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A grading permit a site plan. A landscaping plan must be submitted that.

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Meets all udo requirements, including required street trees,.

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uh Prior to the grading permit and finally, uh the.

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This one is not in the staff report, but has been added in requesting that you.

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Would add this? One petitioner must have a sign agreement in.

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Place regarding the tier two affordable housing incentives prior to.

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Receiving a grading permit.

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And I can answer any questions.

A

Okay, thank you, ryan. Is there anyone from the petitioner who would like to add to.

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The presentation.

A

Do we have a representative of the petitioner, probably ryan, do you know, oh.

B

I see here we go, I believe, yeah thanks.

S

Thank you. Can everybody hear me? Yes, we got you.

S

Okay, um I had just a couple of uh other slides and points to make to.

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The presentation, if I'm allowed to share screen otherwise.

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I could from there we go. Thank you.

S

um So uh this is craig pride, I'm the architect with ktgy group.

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um We have worked with the annex group on several.

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Projects- and I think the first thing I wanted to point out.

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Is this project is a workforce, affordable housing project.

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Annex had previously been in front of this commission in 2018.

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For a student living project um on the same site, but it's key to note.

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That the company has kind of changed directions.

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And has moved forward uh or moved away from.

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Student housing and has more directed themselves to providing.

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Workforce and affordable housing to that end, we are currently working on two.

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Other projects with this developer that are going through the very same.

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Change of uh revising current developments from student.

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Housing to workforce housing, as that is the the more appropriate.

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Demand, if we want to go through these slides.

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Since you have control on your end, just a couple of other items to point out again, the third.

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Grand street intersection as it currently stands today,.

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And is being proposed for workforce housing, this site, it.

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Kind of encapsulates a couple of key things that were.

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Really challenging on this site, both of the parcels that we're developing.

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Have a nine foot change of grade um diagonally across the site so.

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Very challenging and one of the reasons that we are utilizing.

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All of the 64 feet allowable in order to provide access points to.

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Existing grade to the residential and the retail, as.

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Well, as to be able to provide adequate screening of the.

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Rooftop mechanical next slide.

S

Again, a little bit about the developer, as I mentioned.

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They are a multi-family developer of of all kinds and currently developing.

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Affordable housing over 975 million in commercial project, development.

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Experience um again, we.

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We had proposed this project two and a half years ago. They are also currently.

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The developer of unionette crescent another affordable.

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Housing community in the bloomington area next slide.

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um This kind of highlights the development where it stood in 2018.

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um When it was denied by the plan commission as a student housing project,.

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And uh the elements that we learned out of that we've tried to apply to the.

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Current project, it was a little too modern. Looking we.

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Asked too many waivers, we still were challenged with the.

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Building height, but we focused mainly on the exterior aesthetic and the.

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Reduction in waivers on this current request next slide. So again, uh the project includes affordable.

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Workforce and market rate housing we meet the qualifications for the tier.

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2 incentives under the new udo we exceed the bicycle and vehicle.

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Parking that are required for the project utilizing again some of the incentives for.

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Transit location, as well as tier two parking reductions and our.

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Primary material on the three-story base of the.

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Building are brick veneer and limestone.

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Trim and or limestone base next slide. We have a total of 102 units.

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Approximately 7 000 square feet of retail space between the two buildings.

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On the east and west parcels, 50 total parking spaces, of which five.

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Are on grant street accessible to the retail.

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On about point, seven acres of land next slide.

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Again, we're meeting the tier two incentives by providing.

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Seven and a half percent of the units at eighty percent of the ami and.

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uh Seventy half seven and a half percent of.

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The units at one hundred and twenty percent of ami.

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uh That will be at whatever the current uh bloomington.

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um Rate is go ahead.

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The site plan again just a couple of the highlights.

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We've exceeded the challenge of providing more than 50 percent of the.

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Ground floor for non-residential use, we have enclosed all of the parking for.

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Residential use and provided access utilizing two of the.

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Existing traffic points where you come off of grant street and.

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Access the buildings utilizing existing, curb cuts in existing alleys, so.

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We do not create more or new additional curb cuts on.

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Either grant or third street to access the the parking.

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Areas and we understand that a final landscape.

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Approval will be brought back before a permit is issued next slide.

S

Again, the challenge here on the the site, grading and the overall height.

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Of the building, but the tier 2 incentives allow us to add the fourth.

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And fifth floors, but we have also utilized the new.

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Requirements of the udo to set them back off of grant street and third street.

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Providing really kind of an exciting elevation.

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We've met all of the modulization or I'm sorry, the module.

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And facade articulation requirements of the udo.

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And we've tried to use that to the benefit of the architecture within the.

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Project again, the primary materials on the base.

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Of the building three stories is brick and limestone.

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With some metal panel accents and the upper levels of the building are.

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Fiber cement metal panel and balconies throughout the the project.

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Next next slide.

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We've, given you a couple of uh streetscape.

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uh Renderings to kind of focus you in on how we've designed the project.

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Really from the residential, I'm sorry from the streetscape up.

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Utilizing those 15-foot setbacks to try and minimize the overall impact of the.

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Building height again paying attention to the detail at.

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The ground floor to really activate the street of the.

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Streetscape of 3rd street and grant street.

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This is the 3rd street elevations. If you go to the next slide, please.

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uh This would be the third street um streetscape looking to the east.

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uh Again, at the ground level, we've provided.

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Outdoor seating opportunities for what we hope will be.

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You know widely used retail spaces on both buildings.

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And exceeded the window area on the ground floor and on the upper levels of.

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The buildings on on all facades- next, probably the most challenging.

S

Elevation, uh this is the grand street elevation of.

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The eastern building, again, you can kind of see how the.

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Change in elevation uh was a real challenge on this. Both.

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Buildings will offer the residents outdoor space for.

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Amenities, the east building will be at the second level.

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uh Right above the the dark, gray, signage area,.

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That will be their outdoor amenity patio space.

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The west building will offer that on the fourth floor.

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Elevation overlooking third street next slide, um so we're recognizing here.

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The staff's recommendations, obviously they just added a fourth one regarding.

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The tier two housing that we don't have in here, but we do.

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Recognize the uh the recommendations that came out.

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Of the staff report and would intend to meet those.

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And in conclusion, um on the final slide, uh we're very glad to present this as a.

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Workforce, affordable housing project that meets all of the new.

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Requirements of the udo, without asking for waivers on this.

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Project and we look forward to your commentary and your approval.

S

Tonight, thank you. Thank you.

A

um We'll go now to commissioners with any questions for.

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uh Staff or for the petitioner.

I

I I had a question that arose from a review of uh jackie what you sent us.

I

The city's project review document there's a question about the.

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East building access to the alloy and sight lines and safety.

I

So I was wondering whether either ryan or perhaps the petitioner could speak to.

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Whether there are concerns about exiting the garage.

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And potentially, having some sight issues and.

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Attending safety concerns with that.

R

um Yeah this is ryan, so the potentially yes, uh the that was one of the issues.

R

That um could require it to be reviewed further.

R

um We haven't gotten a final um accepted entrance and drive there so.

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It could could potentially be required to be changed uh slightly, but we do believe it's within.

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um An accurate enough area that we can move forward.

I

Okay, so that's what you were talking about before is making some changes to.

I

Deal with this issue- okay, yes, all right beth also, I would add.

B

That, um with the last time we had this project, this came up a little bit as well the way that they have the entrance. The.

B

Vehicular entrance design at the northwest corner of the east building.

B

um As ryan said, it might have to change a little bit, but I mean they are able to.

B

Use that alley either way. So what would be the.

B

Change would be that they would potentially not be able to have as wide.

B

Of a cut there right at the road, but that you would have to drive further down the alley slightly to access that may not be possible with the design of the building.

B

um uh Just because of the size constraints.

B

Of the lot and um where the uh alley is located.

B

um But that is something that we will look at with them, but, like ryan said, we.

B

Do think it's possible to work it out um and uh they had a very similar design.

B

Last time- and we were in discussions about that as well.

B

um And the uh transportation and traffic staff from the department.

B

um Felt like we could figure something out. So that's what the plan is.

B

This time as well, okay, I see craig's got his hand up. You may want to jump in on.

I

S

Yes, um I wanted to point out actually on on this site plan. It's a good way to.

S

Look at it the reason that we're trying to utilize.

S

Or reutilize the existing alley cuts on the east building.

S

Is uh the alley is uh not developed um and not improved as you move.

S

From grand street, uh probably the eastern.

S

75 percent of that alley is unimproved.

S

And it's so it slopes severely uphill, so it was almost impossible for us to.

S

Configure an entrance into the garage utilizing the existing alley, space.

S

Because it could have potentially damaged buildings that were on the north.

S

Side of the alley, so what we did was you can see. We are.

S

Transitioning from the existing alley onto the property in order to make.

S

Access into the garage completely on the.

S

Eastern parcel we're only using a portion of the alley.

S

For what would be the exit traffic way.

S

Back onto grand street.

I

Yeah yeah, I think I can see what you're referring to so.

I

Thank you sure.

A

Any other questions from commissioners. I see commissioner kinsey as long as.

C

We're talking about access, I had some.

C

Questions about third street, can you just point on this one? I'm.

C

Having trouble remembering kind of where the access.

C

Points are from third currently is it? Is there.

C

Are there no, there you said earlier: there are no new curb cuts.

C

On third, uh that's correct: I don't believe there are any existing curb cuts.

S

On third street, to either areas of the development parcel.

S

um And and we're not proposing anything, I just wanted to make sure. Thank you.

C

Okay, so the all the access is either from grant or.

C

From the the alley.

S

That is correct. Okay, that is correct. We tried to utilize.

S

um So the existing traffic pattern: um there is no existing traffic pattern for.

S

The east block, like I said we are trying to utilize the existing alley as a portion of our access. We will improve.

S

That alley access and widen it to allow the.

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Ingress into our building and we will utilize the alley space as the egress.

S

Lane, when you access the west parcel that existing alley is one-way traffic.

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From east to west, and so we are proposing to maintain that.

S

You would access the alley off of grant street travel.

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West go into the garage and when you exit the garage you would travel.

S

West again in the current traffic pattern,.

S

So that we're we're utilizing the existing traffic movements.

S

Again and not creating new access points, there is an existing surface lot. Just.

S

North of the proposed retail that currently has access to grant.

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Street we are proposing to close that access.

S

Point that parking would be eliminated and we would then be able to provide.

S

Additional parking on grand street for two.

S

Additional spaces: okay,.

C

Thank you yeah. um I had another question about um actually ryan. I think this goes.

C

Back to you, you indicated that the department.

C

Encourages additional design features.

C

On the third street side- and I wonder if you could say a little bit more about.

C

What that would be uh so there's a list of.

R

Acceptable additions to entrances. It's a long list, there's several other.

R

Things other than what's being currently proposed.

R

Which is canopies and then the landscape, seating area.

R

um Things like art, uh designs and things like that.

R

Would be um a great addition to the pedestrian entrance.

R

So we're looking for something within those uh acceptable.

R

Additions, but um you know sort of up to the petitioner. They had.

R

Mentioned that they potentially were open to to the uh edition, so um it's just the current entrance is um isn't.

R

Very pedestrian friendly, it looks sort of like an alley entrance.

R

For lack of a better term, yes, I I have a question, and maybe this might.

C

Be for jackie and and the department what then.

C

um Can we do to assure that those design, features or possible.

C

Considerations are undertaken.

C

I just want to make sure that we're not well I'd like to try and.

C

Take the advice of staff and make sure that it gets worked in is our only.

C

Option to add a condition about that or how.

C

How might that be assured, as part of this design.

B

Yeah, so I think the option is to add a condition. So you know you.

B

You all can discuss um something specific that you want.

B

um Or uh just add a uh basically like when we were looking.

B

At this design, like, for example, in the eastern building, the eastern portion of the eastern building, it you know the.

B

The level that is immediately adjacent to a pedestrian.

B

Including the door that's going to go into the, I believe it goes either into a.

B

Stairwell or into the garage area is um pretty simple plain or.

B

Bare and so our suggestion would be, you know this is going to be a very highly.

B

Visible um facade, additionally, the facades on.

B

Grant have been um planned so well to be interesting and.

B

uh That we would like that to also uh be.

B

Brought forward onto the third street side, um so if you had an area in mind this, you know that if the plan.

B

Commission wanted to identify specific areas that they wanted to have.

B

um Increased interest added to, I think that would make sense as a condition.

B

um Otherwise, you know they will meet the uh as ryan said. The udo requires a.

B

Certain number of um things to be uh included at each.

B

Pedestrian entrance, what they have chosen to do is do the recessed entry as.

B

Well, as the awnings, so they they are meeting.

B

Code requirements we would just we were just looking for.

B

uh Maybe a little uh a little extra again like I said on.

B

The eastern side of the eastern building and then for um some of the pedestrian.

B

Entrances that are mostly just a door with a small recess just to.

B

Provide um because it's a very visible part of.

B

Town, obviously, it's going to be a big development for us here. Yes, yes, is that helpful at all? um I think so.

C

Yeah, um I think my concern is about third.

C

Street- and I don't know if I can go back to that- um the best rendering we have- I don't know who can orchestrate that if ryan.

C

Can right, can we get a closer one than that.

B

Right so here's third street, so you can see the two separate buildings.

B

um You can see that there's a door on each building.

B

On the eastern building, it's right in the middle near where ryan's cursor is and then on the western building. It's further to the west.

B

um Just kind of you know plain simple: you're, maybe entering a garage door that.

B

uh We could be, I think, maybe um beefed up architecturally to provide.

B

More entrance and obvious uh an obvious indicator that this is a.

B

Pedestrian door not just another window and then the um the bare sections on the.

B

uh Eastern building, we thought could maybe um have some sort of treatment to.

B

Be more interesting jackie. Could I yes could I add something.

S

uh If you could actually zoom in that, uh we understand the comment and and don't.

S

Want to dismiss it uh the challenge for this particular.

S

Project is, as I said, there's about on third street in this.

S

Particular building there's about five feet of elevation.

S

Change from the far right hand, corner of the building to.

S

The intersection of third and grant and as we viewed the site.

S

We have, I would say, upgraded the entrance to provide.

S

A storefront a storefront entrance instead of.

S

Say a solid door. We are providing an additional.

S

Window into that area, which essentially is going to be.

S

The the back of the retail space and we're also in between levels of.

S

The first floor of residential and the retail space that is on grant street.

S

So we have added a little bit more of, I would say, architectural treatment.

S

To the elevation within that recessed area.

S

We've also added a light fixture and we're proposing.

S

Signage that would provide recognition of the entrance either for.

S

The residential project as an entrance, but the the challenge would be for.

S

um For pedestrians, it's going to be very easily seen.

S

You're going to be able to walk right by it, the recess is only 5 feet.

S

All of that is going to be highly visible from a vehicular standpoint.

S

You're going to be going downhill at 35 miles an hour.

S

And you're going to go, buy it in a split second.

S

So we, what we don't want to do is articulate the base of the building.

S

Any further or differently to the right of this entrance.

S

um Because we, we think it already provides a very solid base to the two.

S

Stories of residential that are basically at grade at this uh southwest.

S

Corner or southeast corner of the building, so so I think we have.

S

Tried to address those comments in this particular elevation. This was a little.

S

Different than our first uh submission to to do what we can.

S

Without trying to go really beyond what's appropriate,.

B

Yeah, so I think yeah historically, um you know.

B

We don't require that you build one large building on a lot that has so much.

B

uh Slope, that's a choice you've made, um and so we have we run into that.

B

All over town, it's a very hilly place. um You know so.

B

So, for example, if this were three different.

B

Buildings that each um were catching their own grade, then they would have.

B

More, you know uh more reasonable or more.

B

Easily visible um entrances and they would not. You know.

B

Line up, they would line up with grade, but we understand that you wanted to build one large building, so that kind of cuts off the first floor there on the east side and just a way that we have, as a planning commission address that or other um or other reasons to have. You.

B

Know need bare walls, for example, that um that you also have here like having a.

B

Parking garage on the other side um is by including.

B

You know art that uh small art installations that you know relate to.

B

Themes from bloomington things like that those are things that the plane commission have considered and required in the past.

B

So just to your question, jillian, that's something we've done like you might.

B

Think of um at the chocolate moose on the washington street side, there is.

B

Like a a four bicyclist.

B

Metal sculpture on the wall, um because it is.

B

On the other side of a parking garage, and they we didn't want to fill a window.

B

There, you know, we have the, we have the windows.

B

On the smith avenue side that have a rotating.

B

Rotating exhibition from the school across the street.

B

Because they weren't going to be able to have real windows that type of thing we.

B

Have included those um in the past um not not.

B

Terribly expensive or I would say, large installations, but.

B

Something just to provide interest thanks for this additional clarity.

C

I I had one more question: it's about the use of.

C

Tier two: affordable housing. I imagine other commissioners have comments.

C

About this as well, but I think because I think this could be the first time.

C

We are talking about it and applying it. It's probably worth expanding on.

C

Our understanding and what tier 2 is designed to do.

C

And how the petitioner is achieving that, and I mean I can read what's in the udo.

C

I've read it, but I just wonder if that's worth some.

C

Additional conversation about what it means.

C

And what it affords in terms of workforce, housing.

C

Or affordable housing.

S

Jackie, you may want to open that up to joy skidmore, who represents the owner.

B

I believe she's already unmuted, just a sec.

T

I was and then I wasn't, but I'm back there you go. Okay.

T

Thank you yeah. My name is joy. Skidmore with the annex group.

T

And so our interpretation of the code is, as craig had shown in one of his slide.

T

Is that we need to have seven and a half percent at eighty percent.

T

Ami rent and seven and a half percent of the units at 120 percent.

T

Ami units at or below so that is the requirement.

T

Within the tier 2 definition in the udo, so we are working with doris.

T

To determine exactly what those rents are, because.

T

They are different, I think the code says hud ami rent, so that'll be area median.

T

Income rents for the area, but I believe bloomington has.

T

Their own rents, and so we actually have a call scheduled with doris on thursday.

T

To discuss those rents specifically and make sure that we are programming, it.

T

uh Correctly, and also talk through the agreement that.

T

Will be needed so, um as craig mentioned, we are the.

T

Developer for union at crescent, so we're very familiar.

T

With qualifying tenants based on income levels,.

T

And um so we can can basically use the same principles that we're doing there.

T

And apply them here for this project in order to meet those two.

T

Tier two: affordable housing requirements, great thanks and I'll just add from a.

B

Staff perspective um that the idea of adding the tiers for.

B

Affordable housing incentives was to codify a practice that we have.

B

uh Been doing now um kind of with a guide that the administration.

B

Came up with, but um not something specifically in the udo.

B

That we have been making available to petitioners if they wanted to.

B

um If they wanted to do affordable housing on projects, so you've seen that.

B

On in puds and site plans, I believe um because, as you know, state enabling does.

B

Not allow us to require affordable housing, so in this way, when.

B

We do the incentives, um the petitioners are able to look and.

B

See what incentives they might be interested in so in this case they're getting the additional height as well as the reduced.

B

Parking requirement um and then in order to be able to do.

B

That then, they have to meet the two uh two groups here, which joy mentioned.

B

The 7.5 percent at uh 120 um of ami and the 7.5 percent.

B

At 80., um and uh so that is an option that they.

B

Can choose- and this petitioner did choose to do that, um so we are excited about that. It's a much.

B

I would say cleaner way to offer affordable housing and to for us to be.

B

Able to have it be included in developments in different parts of town, especially here in the downtown area.

B

Where it can be most beneficial to people to be able to be in walking and public transportation distance from.

B

Lots of venues.

B

Did that answer your question jillian.

C

Yes, I wonder if anyone from hand or is there anyone else that wants to.

C

Comment on this from either the so they weren't able to be here tonight.

B

They did ask, but then we said because there was no signed agreement.

B

Yet, and because it is so much clearer now what the expectation is we said: that's, okay, you probably don't have to be, but.

B

Yes, we are, they are also excited as well. Of course,.

B

um In the future, so the way that it is in the udo now.

B

It's very clear-cut if they want to have if you are to approve the site plan.

B

Tonight and they want to build it, then they're going to have to meet the affordable housing senate incentives, including the agreement. um But we decided to go ahead today, just for um clarification purposes to add that condition of approval.

B

That that agreement will have to be signed before a grading permit will be.

B

Released because uh that particular uh timeline.

B

Threshold is not included in the udo it's kind of left up to us.

B

um So in the future, as we see these incentive projects come through, it's.

B

Very likely that the agreement will already be in place or uh already be agreed upon before you see the.

B

Project um but it is not required at this time unless you all.

B

Are uncomfortable um looking at it without the agreement.

B

Just I felt that it wasn't required because uh the udo is so clear about.

B

What they'll have to do? Thank you.

I

Follow a question about the nature of the agreement.

I

And I'm just trying to better understand what and what that actually.

I

Looks like then, since the udo does set out what the requirements are very.

I

Clearly, as you say, jackie, what the agreement will look like yeah.

B

I'm sorry yes well! It will just dictate uh that.

B

They will put aside this num this percentage of units at these.

B

um Percent levels of ami and um in the past, for example, in puds.

B

We have not the plan, transportation department so much but the hand.

B

Department and esd have worked with petitioners.

B

You know between certain thresholds and kind of.

B

Stayed in the same range but maybe had slightly different agreements.

B

Where this will be directly these two, um these two portions of the.

B

Development that are required, the 7.5 portions equaling 15.

B

Of total units, um that's exactly what the agreement will state.

B

And um I believe that it is, I believe, code says 99 years, but I would have to.

B

Check on that, uh but that that that standard for the.

B

Agreements, we were um doing pre new new udo and I.

B

Believe that carried forward, what happens if, uh if it doesn't work.

I

Out, for whatever reason, I'm not meaning to suggest the petitioner is not going.

I

To comply with an agreement it signs, um but.

I

99 years is a long time. Does the agreement itself contemplate.

I

That, um I believe, I'm not sure, that's a good question. We don't have legal here.

B

Tonight but uh and the agreements we've seen, I do believe um that they can be revisited if uh need, if.

B

Need be, and I mean I'm not an attorney, but I do think if, if code were to change we we would probably have to re look at.

B

Them again, uh all of those that are to be approved.

B

um But uh I would say that that would probably.

B

Most likely just become a legal matter uh if the.

B

Agreement has already been signed and been put in place.

P

Thanks, I have a follow-up question to that.

P

As well um in terms of how the percentages are applied,.

P

It's really two questions, one. Is it applied to each building.

P

I mean mathematically, it comes out the same, but do you do it by the total.

P

Development, or is it, do you apply the tier two incentive.

P

Percentages to each building and secondly, do you round up.

P

So you know seven and a half percent doesn't.

P

Produce an exactly round number of an apartment, so are you.

P

Is staff planning to round up so uh in in this type of instance? Code requires a.

B

Round up so code it does clarify which instances we.

B

Round down and which instances we round up and they usually always benefit the.

B

Community, so in this we would go up and yes, it's of the project, not the building.

B

Okay- and I believe as well uh ryan can correct me, but I'm pretty.

B

Sure that, um additionally, they will have to.

B

It doesn't matter as much in this project because of the size units they have, but you have to provide.

B

For example, if your project is fifty percent one beds and fifty percent two.

B

Beds then your contribution to the affordable.

B

Housing incentive uh has to also be 50 ones and 50.

B

Too so it has to meet the breakdown of the rest of your project, so you can't.

B

Just give all studios and then have a bunch of.

B

Four bed: units, okay and then a follow-up question to.

P

That is, um that's certainly incredibly valuable.

P

That we have that in our udo and it's very clear now how it works, um and so out of respect for some of the letters.

P

That we've gotten um leading up to this meeting and the.

P

Comments from the public in those letters that.

P

The increased density, which we know is increased because we're offering you.

P

Know there's the incentive: how is that reconciled with the.

P

Mixed-Use village character overlay that talks.

P

About moderate residential density, how does how does staff um talk about that and reconcile those two things.

B

Sure I think we have to kind of think about them on a more of a macro.

B

Scale that each project is part of a larger.

B

Quilt for lack of a better word of the area and.

B

In downtown, that's described in the both the udo and the comprehensive plan.

B

So we will, in lower density areas, have pockets of higher density.

B

And you know prominent corners uh immediately adjacent to large commercial.

B

You know corridors for us, that's a good spot for that.

B

For this type of development to have more density, and yes, if we have.

B

Four or more of these you know lined up along third street, then we we may have.

B

To um you know, consider consider that a.

B

Little bit more, but I mean code, allows um for the extra height which you're.

B

Right then, does bring, of course, extra density, um but we do feel like this is an appropriate location.

P

Thank you appreciate the explanation sure.

A

Okay, any additional questions from commissioners.

A

Either for staff or for the petitioner, I see commissioner cockroam.

A

And commissioner herrera there let's go first to.

A

uh Chris, all right, hey, thank you brad, so for craig or joy or one of the.

G

Representatives, I noticed you have the two retail spots.

G

One at 2600 square feet the other one at 4, 400.

G

um Did you guys build in any flexibility in size uh if the market didn't support.

G

Those size units, knowing the market that we potentially are coming into, did you build in some flexibility to.

G

Actually break those up into smaller units.

S

Sure, sorry, I I muted myself so took a while.

S

Yes, we did uh we, we originally started um looking at those as smaller spaces,.

S

um We ultimately chose to look at them, ultimately, as a single space. Only to.

S

To be as flexible as possible to the type of tenants that we could attract.

S

Obviously, these buildings, if approved today, are still.

S

Probably 24 months out, and so the retail environment now is very.

S

Different than it was 24 months ago, but both of the buildings would be able.

S

To accept either single tenant users in the retail space.

S

Or could be configured to be multi-tenant they've both been provided.

S

With the ability to access the outside may have to be a little bit of a rework.

S

With the grading again because the change in grade along.

S

This uh both parcels we have currently.

S

Allotted for a couple of access points, rather than.

S

Four or five on the east building um the west building being only.

S

25 2600 square feet, the most you would divide. That is maybe two.

S

1200 or 1300 square foot spaces, but we really like to see.

S

That be a corner tenant, um so the answer short answer is yes, but.

G

Good good all right, thank you. Craig thanks chris um commissioner herrera.

L

Right so I have a question regarding the the the comments from the environmental.

L

Commission and regarding the green building practices, uh I wonder if you can.

L

L

The projects regarding green building practices regarding.

L

About the green roof, the description about that.

L

And also about the the building shell regarding the the meaning of performance.

L

Requirements, so you can explain more about these.

L

These aspects of the of the buildings sure just uh just addressing the.

S

Building design from a sustainable uh standpoint.

S

um All of our buildings uh generally exceed the minimum.

S

Requirements for uh sustainability or for energy use and.

S

There's a couple of ways that you could look at this: you could look at it from an energy standpoint or from a.

S

Sustainability, uh local materials and so forth.

S

I would say the highlights that would go into this project.

S

We would source as many local materials as we could.

S

That would be generally within a 500 mile radius.

S

We would be using high efficiency appliances throughout the building.

S

We would be using low heat, I'm sorry light colored roof to reduce.

S

The heat gain on the roof areas. We do show some areas for green roofs.

S

Those would be a palletized system which utilizes sedums and smaller.

S

Plants, rather than an active vegetative roof that just reduces.

S

The overall weight requirements on the structure.

S

So it also helps cut down on the heat load on.

S

On those roof areas, we would use led lights throughout the building, both.

S

Inside and outside to reduce overall energy impacts.

S

So those are some of the major functions and.

S

Components of the project design that that would address this.

S

The sustainability aspect.

L

Regarding regarding the parking and with the electric vehicles,.

L

There are 50 parking spaces and the recommendation would be to have.

L

At least five percent that it could be two or more spaces, so.

L

What are the plans for this uh recommendation? Taking into account that.

L

You have a plenty of parking spaces well,.

S

I would say that at present we have looked at.

S

Just creating an infrastructure that could allow for.

S

The installation of charging stations um should they be requested by the tenants.

S

um Again, one of the things for the affordable.

S

The affordable incentives is to reduce the number of parking which we've done.

S

These parking garages would not be open to the public.

S

So they would be a controlled environment for the tenants.

S

So if the tenant population would request.

S

Or potentially,.

S

Say: petition or request the developer that hey? This is a need.

S

We would we would design the project so that it could be installed later on. I I.

S

Don't I don't can't speak for the developer as to whether or not they're going to commit to put them in right away.

S

But generally we design the parking garages and the electrical.

S

uh Systems within our building to be able to.

S

Allow the installation, based on demand in the future.

L

Okay, thank you. Yep.

H

I have a question go ahead, so it's in regards to the tier two.

H

Affordable housing incentive, um I understood what has been explained.

H

It was very nice, but uh I wanted to know if all the.

H

Affordable units will be in one building.

H

Or are they going to be spread between two buildings.

H

Between both buildings.

T

I would say that we haven't necessarily designated those.

T

uh Yet um we don't, we don't have a preference. I think that.

T

They would be spread probably between both buildings, just due to.

T

As it was mentioned, there are certain number of two bedrooms that need to be.

T

Affordable, if we have a certain number within the project which we do.

T

So in a certain number of studios, certain number of ones so.

T

We will likely just by design, they will be.

T

Spread between both buildings in order to meet that requirement.

U

A

Any other questions all right, uh mr kinsey yeah, sorry one.

C

More um as I was think, looking back on the.

C

The alley um at the alleyways, of course, that's not typically what we see a.

C

Rendering of and I wonder if there's anything that we have.

C

To get any sense of what is either on the east.

C

On the east building, ellie access for the.

C

West building, what's our best image of that.

C

What we'll see from that alley.

S

We do have a rendering of the east building on grant street. That shows.

S

The access to the garage- I think it's uh I think it's the last rendering in the.

S

Set uh last page of your, um if so, whoever is controlling.

S

Zed desiree: can you flip to the last page of your screen.

S

S

Yeah, uh sorry, maybe go back, go back up.

S

It's the last set of renderings wherever the renderings are in your set.

S

I know where they're in mind, but not yours.

S

There you go, that's the one, um so this rendering actually is.

S

Of the proposed alley cut and at the very.

S

Bottom left corner is where you see the garage entrance for.

S

The lower level- and you can see right next to that- how the grade.

S

Goes up dramatically and that's currently unimproved. It's also full of.

S

Vegetation, which is why we didn't try and move that.

S

uh Try and continue the further development of the alley.

S

So I think it it fits very well with the local environment doesn't give you that.

S

Image or impression that you're entering through an alley the one of the.

S

West building, we don't really have a say, a good vantage point, because you're.

S

Looking at the two-story contributing.

S

Historical structure that really blocks your entire.

S

View of that um that portion of the development.

S

um You're really internal the entrance to the garage is almost.

S

Internal to that entire block, um so it is it's out of sight out of.

S

Mind it's not a prominent entrance because it is screened in in multiple.

S

Directions by uh the developments on the north side of.

S

The alley, as well as the uh the two-story existing structure on.

S

Grant and the alley corner: okay,.

C

Thank you. So I've got a just a follow-up question on.

A

On this, on this view, here is there: is there a reason that this it looks.

A

From this view that that you know the the driveway, if you will.

A

The entrance here sort of curves around is there a.

A

Reason that that couldn't be uh more of a straight drive into that.

A

Entrance is it just to try to keep with the existing.

A

Curb we were trying to.

S

Not make that access point double wide, because the existing alley cut would.

S

Remain anyway, if you were to provide a.

S

Separate access point to a garage off of grant street, you would.

S

Effectively have two curb cuts within very close proximity, which is.

S

Generally not allowed within the code, um so we tried to.

S

Double up on them um for the betterment of grand street.

S

Essentially, I guess question for staff is: if that alley is unimproved and.

A

Unused is it necessary that we keep that the.

A

The current cut, in other words, can we not just move the cut.

A

um To to create a straighter shot into that uh first.

B

Yeah, so that's really more a question for council, but.

B

uh They do not, in my experience, uh very often vacate allies. So that's what.

B

Would be required would be an approval from council to do so um and for you.

B

Know the way that the these properties are.

B

Right now, no one's using those alleys, obviously it's unimproved, but that.

B

Doesn't mean that won't change in the future, so they often don't.

B

Give those up! So that's what I was trying to describe earlier. So when you're looking at this image, the driveway, the left side of the.

B

Driveway is the alley and then the right you know.

B

Maybe one-fifth of the driveway is on their property and so.

B

They enter mostly on the alley and then take the curve.

B

Into the property- and that's something that we will have to keep discussing.

B

Internally, whether or not they can, um whether or not this.

B

What he's saying you know they're trying to avoid a double wide.

B

Whether or not that can remain or whether or not it needs to be.

B

Meeting the alley with at the right-of-way.

B

And that they would have to drive further east and then have a harder cut.

B

Onto the property, which would be more difficult um for you,.

B

Know to traverse in a vehicle but from a pedestrian standpoint going along here would be better, of course,.

A

Sure yeah, I certainly understand the desire to avoid having it having two.

A

Cuts or a double wide cut um right, yeah I yeah. I.

A

Get your question I'm just curvy driveway is just not really something.

A

You typically see that's a very that's, a very suburban.

A

Feature to have a curtain driveway, so our preference would.

B

Be like what they're doing on the other side, which is just utilizing the alley.

B

Accessing the alley and then using that to access the building.

B

Without having to have this kind of special alignment here,.

B

But to uh craig's point it's because of the existing.

B

um Slopes there that are in the alley and then that kind of a little bit.

B

Dictated what made the most sense for which way that garage door should face.

A

Yeah yeah, okay! Great! Thank you. A couple other quick questions.

A

For the petitioner is the plan to have full-time on-site management here in.

A

uh In one of these buildings, and if so, which one.

A

Good craig, uh oh you're, wrong.

S

um Well, I think, sorry, I dogs, in the background I was trying to mute when I.

S

Didn't have to speak, um I think they'll have on-site leasing.

S

um I I'm not sure if they'll have on-site management, that would be a.

S

Better question for joy: if she's still available.

A

Oh sorry, I saw your hand was raised, so I thought you were offering to answer it.

T

Sorry, I also have a dog in the background, so I'm trying to mute that I.

T

Can't unmute, so I apologize yes.

T

Typically, in our projects, we do have an on-site manager.

T

um And I I mean I don't know that we've figured out necessarily.

T

Which building they will be located in yet, but we do typically have an on-site.

T

Manager they're, usually within our largest, uh we.

T

Put our leasing offices within our largest amenity area.

A

Great thanks and then final question is just about kind of the footprint here. I.

A

Know when we looked at the the project a couple years ago, yeah this.

A

View right here would be would be good. I recall that in the.

A

Original plan there was a step back.

A

Next, to that existing uh two-story building, it looks like there is no step.

A

Back, but am I correct and saying rather, the entire building has been moved uh farther away from that uh that.

A

Building than what we saw in the original.

A

Plan a couple years ago that that's correct, we we had a much.

S

Bigger building on the ground level proposed on the west side.

S

Two plus years ago, where we were essentially.

S

um Covering a majority of the surface lot.

S

uh The portion of the site- that's in colored white, as well as.

S

The the open space that we've currently provided behind that.

S

In the redesign of the project, we went back and kind of re-evaluated the.

S

Internal space and the use and so forth, and we removed that section to kind of.

S

Downscale, the building footprint at the ground level.

S

Therefore, in the code requirement eliminated that step back area and the.

S

Conflict with the historical building as well, so that was.

V

That was appreciated by the historical commission.

A

Yes, um yeah, that's great, can you maybe just describe what's going on in that.

A

Area when I look at the the elevation looking looking.

A

West from grant street it's really hard to get any perspective.

A

um As to as to what's happening there, it just doesn't.

A

It doesn't, it doesn't really depict anything in that space. You just kind of.

A

See the street tree and the building right behind it.

S

Yeah so the um we're improving the streetscape.

S

uh A lot, I believe, on the west side of grand street by eliminating that curb.

S

Gut and that parking area this is the so there's the elevation um so.

S

Most of the building on the right hand, side.

S

The right half of the building is set back from grant street.

S

Approximately 70 feet, even though it looks flat in elevation.

S

All of the four levels of balconies are 60 to 70 feet back from grand street.

S

So you have that open surface existing surface lot and then you have another.

S

25 30 feet of outdoor landscaped area that is going to be utilized by the.

S

Residents at grade for for outdoor space.

S

And then the retail component, which is the.

S

uh Below the three-story brick element, basically from the middle of the.

S

Elevation to the left is pulled out to the street frontage.

S

Into the build two area for the udo, the ground floor is.

S

Activated with retail and then residential above in both of.

S

The buildings we've articulated the corner of third and grant.

S

By using larger window areas and metal panel to kind of create that.

S

Sense of entry into the third and grant area and into.

S

Restaurant row, so we get a lot more activation on the.

S

Corner of the buildings on the on the bottom three levels: the west building, you see, we have activated the roof terrace.

S

At the fourth floor, you'll have resident balconies that are.

S

Roughly the same size as a projected balcony on on other levels that have.

S

Access at the roof terrace level and then the amenity space will be.

S

Overlooking third street uh to the south, for this.

S

Particular building, so, if I'm hearing you correctly you're.

A

Saying that there's the the surface lot.

A

Remains behind these trees, there's still going to be a surface parking lot in.

A

This bottom elevation here, it's going to be it the.

S

Parking use is going to be removed, the open space is going.

S

To remain, it could become part of whatever the use continues to be for the.

S

Two-Story structure that that could utilize that space in the.

S

Future as outdoor area, the.

S

But it is not programmed for building area.

S

um And it's not accessible as a parking lot anymore.

S

From grand street I'll jump in here as well.

T

It is our intent that, hopefully, we can find a retail tenant.

T

For that historic structure to occupy the bottom floor,.

T

uh So that kind of continues restaurant rail- hopefully it would be a restaurant.

T

And so until we have that tenant identified, we really like to just.

T

Leave it open so that you know we understand what their needs.

T

Would be in that area so, but it will not be surface parking. It.

A

Will it either be green space or outdoor communal space or.

A

Outdoor seating for a restaurant or something of that nature, that is correct, the parking parking that is there now gets blocked.

T

Off then, by the street parking that are proposed.

A

So so the plan for initial construction is just to seed, that with.

A

With grass, yes, okay, great, thank you.

A

Okay, any other questions from commissioners before we move on to.

A

To public comment.

A

um Okay, don't see any so I think we're ready for public comment once again, just.

A

A quick overview of how this will work if you want to make a public comment, click the participants button at the.

A

Bottom of your screen and click the raise hand button to.

A

Signify that you'd like to make comment jackie will.

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Recognize you when it's your turn, please state your name.

A

For the record and you'll have five minutes to make comment.

B

Hey mary beth, you can go ahead hi. Thank you.

W

My name is mary beth, caller c-o-l-l-e-r. um I am the trustee for the trust that.

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Holds callstone square, which is directly east on third street.

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Of these two proposed buildings- and I also.

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Own the building directly across the street on third at the other corner of.

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Third and grant, which is the 400 professional building.

W

I have just a couple comments. One is, I don't quite understand how this.

W

Affordable housing and eliminating students.

W

Will work clearly, a lot of students will qualify for affordable housing.

W

And, given that this was rejected before for um student housing,.

W

I'm just not quite sure how how that will work, how they will screen people to.

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Make sure that that it's not student housing.

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So that's something to be addressed. Secondly,.

W

As uh the owner or the trustee for two adjacent parking lots.

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I'm very concerned about the parking I understand.

W

That, by putting using these allowances or whatever they are, they.

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They are available to they were able to reduce their required.

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Parking that might be okay and meet with.

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Different criteria, but if there's not enough parking.

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There's not enough parking and I'm concerned about the overflow.

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Parking going into both of the lots that.

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To police the parking, and what do we do about that?.

W

And then, finally, um I also I also recognize along the same vein,.

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That they've gotten some exceptions for the hype variances due to the other.

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Things that they have done, um but that that really just from a.

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Community member perspective bothers me.

W

You know years were spent doing this uh udo.

W

And whether or not they've done something to meet the requirements to.

W

Have an extra two stories is fine, but it still just doesn't fit.

W

And that's just my own personal opinion. As someone in the community.

W

But particularly I'm worried about keeping the students out.

W

And about the overflow parking? Thank you.

A

B

Okay, greg go ahead; hi um thanks, I'm greg alexander. uh I've got.

M

Another observation about sidewalks: um this project uh is directly on third.

M

Street, um it's a high-speed part of third street that um if the.

M

Students ever come back sees a lot of traffic, both pedestrian.

M

And car it's very difficult to cross the the crosswalks there give a very low.

M

Pedestrian level of service, and so people aren't going to want to switch.

M

North side sidewalks outside of the sidewalk they're not going to want to switch back and forth every couple blocks, depending on which one's closed and so long story short. The contractor one way.

M

Or the other is going to screw up the maintenance of traffic plan.

M

And as a result, people are going to be walking.

M

In the street on third street with the high-speed traffic- that's there, this is.

M

Two blocks from where a woman was killed earlier this year.

M

uh Pedestrian- and I I just can't emphasize enough that every.

M

Single time this sidewalk is blocked, it will be an.

M

Emergency people will be walking in the street on third street.

M

And so we ought to just from the start close a lane of third street.

M

Yes, the contractor will sometimes still block that lane. It is so hard to get.

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Contractors to comply and our department is so reluctant to.

M

Use the powerful tools at their disposal, but we should just go ahead and remove a.

M

Lane from 3rd street the north lane there on 3rd street, because 3rd street is dramatically oversized for the amount of traffic that.

M

It ever sees it can afford to lose that lane and that.

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Will act as traffic calming so then when pedestrians do have to walk.

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In the street, or do have to make unadvisable crossings at least traffic.

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Will be calm somewhat, we need effective traffic calming along.

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The entire length of third street, but when we have a construction site.

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Like this, where we know ahead of time, the contractor will screw it up and.

M

We'll block the sidewalk, we need to have some sort of traffic.

M

Calming right there right, then, because undergraduates and.

M

Grad students, law students will be walking in traffic because of this project. Anyways. That's no reason to reject the.

M

Project um the fact that it has only what about 45 spaces of parking for.

M

110 bedrooms, that's a good ratio, that's actually still sufficient. That's not! um I think we should constrain supplier.

M

We should provide even less than that, but uh because, if you actually look at.

M

Any of this close to campus housing, 40 of students.

M

Do not own cars that is already uh an excessive supply of parking compared.

M

To um students that actually do live near campus, I'm not concerned with students occupying affordable housing. We want to.

M

Drive down rents across the board, we want to minimize the number of.

M

Students that are then competing for apartments just slightly further.

M

From campus- and this is a good way to do it- we need to build more bedrooms.

M

The simple fact of the matter is that it costs a lot of money to provide parking.

M

And if the developer is able to build more units without building more parking.

M

They're willing to even accept constraints on on their rent.

M

That's amazing that even a private for-profit developer.

M

Will accept rent restrictions in exchange for being allowed to build.

M

Housing for people without being required to build housing for.

M

For cars, it's just so incredibly expensive to provide housing for cars.

M

uh Thank you very much for your time.

A

B

Go ahead, dave! Okay! Thank you, hi everyone. My name is dave.

X

Harstad, um I am a neighbor of the project. In fact, as I look over my webcam.

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Right now I can see the site- I am my building's at the corner of fourth.

X

And grant uh I'm in the old vintage warehouse.

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Building and I love being on a restaurant row, it's one of the.

X

Liveliest areas of town kirkwood is obviously close. It's a great.

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Neighborhood but this area that we're talking about.

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Here is not one of the more lively parts of.

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Town, in fact, I think you could accurately describe this site and a lot.

X

Of the areas around it as sort of a wasteland.

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Sort of a unutilized part of our town, and so I'm really happy and I'm really.

X

Thankful for the folks at annex who I don't know and who I've never met.

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I'm really thankful for them investing a significant portion of their life.

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Savings to um to make this part of town a better.

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Place and so I support the.

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um And the what I think, I'm hearing of the unit never know who's going to be.

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uh In a project and lease it, um but.

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In fact, not purely gearing it towards a student.

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But I hope they have some students there. To be honest, I want to go on the record.

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As saying that, what makes this area neat and special.

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Is the eclectic mix of people here, including students,.

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I look at my own building. I have seven residential tenants.

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And two of them either own or work in local restaurants,.

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One of them is just a 20-something who works in the community.

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And four of them are undergraduate students and my undergrad.

X

Students who work in this who live in my building and rent for me are wonderful.

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Wonderful people they work hard, they're out of the building, sometimes before.

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Seven in the morning to go study and that's not every student but to the.

X

Extent we've had dialogue or anti-student dialogue in this town. Recently I want to go on the record of saying that I am fully.

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Fully supportive of students living within two blocks of campus, it's the.

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It's good land use policy and the students are good people.

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um So um I also like the idea that the retail is oriented towards grant street.

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uh Right now grant is uh bruce. Storm has done a great job of putting some.

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Repurposing some buildings along grant street, which is good for.

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Our community and helps expand restaurant row.

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And um we have special places here, but let's, let's create some new special.

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Places and hopefully over time we can make grant street and our north.

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South streets in this town, a special place as well.

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I do want to comment on a couple of things that are probably post approval.

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Items that I hope that staff in particular spends a bunch of.

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Time, working on obviously there's a lot of grade in this.

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Area and I'm thankful that the design team has spent a bunch of.

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Time thinking about it, but one of the things that a combination.

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Of steep grades and a lot of limestone has created in this part, is we have.

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Drainage problems and I'm hopeful that.

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Some real attention to detail is taken by uh the.

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Engineering folks, to make sure that the storm water isn't just discharged.

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Directly into the street whenever possible, and it can be tied into the jordan river or other storm water facilities that.

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That discharge into the jordan river box, culvert.

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I'm sure people here in town remember canoes in this area.

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And hopefully um we don't repeat that um it's certainly not annex's job to solve.

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Every drainage problem in this part of town, but hopefully um with a little bit of effort, we can, um you know, create a.

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Better drainage system that we have now on one step at a time. The other um thing.

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That I want to mention- and um uh commissioner weissler mentioned.

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uh It is in the west building, I I. I don't fully understand that north.

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Elevation and how it looks when I look at, I have.

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um A sheet that was sent to me it was she.

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A34 from the architect- and it looks to me like there's a pretty large blank.

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Wall with either hardy pant, plank or evis, or something like that.

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I hope some some, you know he said it was blocked by that.

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Existing house, um it's a five-story building so.

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I'm not saying that it's not right, but.

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I would hope that we can pay some attention to detail to spruce up.

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That north elevation of the west building, and so.

X

uh With that, I appreciate your time and, on the whole, I'm very supportive of the.

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Project and thankful that it's getting built. Thank you.

J

Thank you. Okay, dave askings go ahead. This is dave askins with the b-square.

O

Beacon, um uh I just wanted to ask a question that.

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I think uh touches on the comments that mr.

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Harstad and uh ms collar made a simple question.

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Why is the name annex student living still a good name for this project.

O

Even given the affordable housing component.

A

Thanks, okay, do we have any other.

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Public comments, anyone on the facebook feed.

A

I don't see anybody yet nobody on facebook.

B

I think we're good okay last call for public comment.

A

Okay, uh we'll go back now to the commission for.

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Any final, I can interrupt I'm sorry, I just want to make one clarification.

R

um This is ryan by the way uh the vacant.

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Parcel to the north on the west um lot uh is currently paved. It will have to.

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Remain paved until hvc has approved.

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Any proposed change because it's in the historic district.

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So it'll need a condition of approval. I just wanted to clarify that, since they.

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Talked about potentially seeding, it.

A

Thank you, okay, any any other final questions.

A

Or final comment from commissioners um or a motion.

A

I see commissioner sandberg, I will just go ahead and ask the question that was.

V

Just recently posed by by david askins about the title of.

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The project and how that squares with what we understand about.

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The workforce, housing component.

V

Anybody from the presenters or from the staff.

V

Is the title confusing sure I think craig's gonna answer just a sec.

S

Yeah, I I think that the title showed up in the staff report from a.

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Letter or a petitioner statement that was submitted with the.

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Old annex title of annex student living, but the.

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The petitioner is actually the annex group.

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um Which has moved away from student living as their focus of development.

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So scrivener here just a thank you correction. um It's actually that's how.

R

It was presented on the application, so um okay went forward with that. The.

R

Name that was given yeah. I knew I do apologize for the.

T

Confusion, the application, I think again was a holdover from the.

T

Original application was just kept as annex student living. We.

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Are now the annex group because of the shift in our.

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Focus on what we built and thank you for that.

V

Clarification, oh jackie, I'm sorry I was just gonna say so. Yes, they did. Let us.

B

Know that they prefer to change it. But because, because the initial name they gave us went to the paper and all the.

B

Neighbors we are obligated to carry that forward and just felt they could explain.

B

It uh here at the hearing, right and during the.

V

Presentation again, I think the slides were going by fairly quickly, but I did read something that says.

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No student housing, but again as some of our commenters have have.

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Presented, you know, that's, that's, never going to be.

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Completely pure, um and of course, if there was anybody from hand that was.

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Here to describe what that formula looks like as to who.

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Qualifies for workforce housing, I do believe it does have some component.

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Of you've got to have an income, it's it's all determined by your income.

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Now some students could very well have an income, they could be maybe part-time students and part-time workers or.

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They may work a full-time job and go to school part-time online. Or what have you.

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And so there is a very real possibility that students who are in need of.

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Affordable housing could find this an attractive place to.

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Live- and I would agree with mr harstad that we've got to be very very careful.

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About the types of individuals that we are saying well, this is a project for this kind of person.

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This is not a project for some other kind of person. When I think the goal.

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Of the udo and our comp plan is to have more housing, where you have an.

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Integration of different kinds of tenants, different.

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Kinds of people and different kind of income ranges- and I think the location here is absolutely ideal.

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For people who want to be closer to the downtown, as well as maybe people.

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Because maybe they work at the university may want to be closer to iu.

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And so I think we all need to be very, very careful about. You know the kind of the language of that we're trying to.

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Keep certain people out it's all about how you qualify with respect.

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To the hud formula for what workforce housing is all about.

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And the kind of affordable housing that we are very much trying to incentivize.

V

In bloomington, thank you.

T

And I can speak to them. You are correct. We cannot.

T

Exclude students um from living here for sure.

T

That that is, I'm pretty sure, not legal. I don't think I have to be an intern.

T

To say, that's, probably not legal, however, our definition of student housing is.

T

That we, we call it purpose-built student housing where we furnish apartments and we rent by the bed. That is.

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Not what this project is, we are renting by the unit and they are.

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Unfurnished units.

V

Again, thank you clarification. Yes, any other um questions from.

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Commissioners,.

A

I think they see commercial kinsey yeah. I.

C

I wanted to just clarify what what the commenter dave harsted.

C

uh Raised about the north elevation of the west building, that was still the.

C

Part that I was trying to get a better fix on um and it's it's not entirely clear to me still and the fact that he doesn't.

C

Understand what the um what it will look like.

C

I think is would be helpful again just to explain.

C

Can can anyone do that? It's I think it's the north elevation.

C

Of the west building the alley side.

B

Brian, can you throw up that elevation yeah hold on one second.

R

Oh okay, sorry! What one was it again: the north.

B

The north elevation of the west building yeah yep so.

S

As you look at this building again, it's difficult to read, but.

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The um portion of the building that is adjacent to the alley.

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Starts about two-thirds of the way over from.

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Grant street it is the light colored vertical stripe.

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um And then you see the garage door entrance.

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That would be more or less in the center of the mass.

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That is adjacent to the alley. um So if, if you see the two light-colored.

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Vertical zones that defines the.

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Width of the building as it as it approaches the alley it's set.

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Off of the alley about 20 feet, so it's not immediately adjacent to the.

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Alley the remainder of the building to the.

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Left uh is again about.

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80 feet further back from the alley: that's the other l-shaped leg of the.

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Building that goes back out towards grand street, so you're looking at a.

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Garage door um for the access to the garage at the.

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Alley elevation and then you have four sets of windows.

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Above that are really at the terminus of the hallway, for the.

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Residential units, because the units faced east and west.

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In those locations, so the the solid zone to the right is a stairwell that takes.

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You all the way down to grade the solid piece in the corner is.

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Actually, our trash chute that takes the trash down the building.

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To an interior trash room um off the alley.

C

Thanks, I hope that helps with our images here. Thank you. Buddy.

A

Okay, uh additional questions or perhaps a motion from commissioners I'll.

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Just say I think this project uh has greatly improved.

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From 2018, I think it is.

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Worth of support for the reasons which have been cited already, in which the.

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Staff have laid out in the report and I'm happy to approve it.

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And I'll move that we do approve sp 1520, with the four conditions that staff.

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Has laid out, including the fourth condition which they described this.

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Evening I'll, second, that.

A

Okay, we have a motion and a second is there any final comment before we.

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Move to the roll call.

C

I had a comment yeah and it's in relation to what we were.

C

Discussing earlier when I asked about the possibility of adding what would now.

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Be a fifth condition related to the entry way.

C

On third street, I am concerned just about making sure that that's.

C

Activated as well as it could be and that it really deploys, or at least considers all the design features that are.

C

Indicated in the udo, I think it's pretty plain right now.

C

And I mean I realize it's hard to see and and understand completely what.

C

That's going to be like, but I think that the udo definitely.

C

Identifies as I look through that list of what the possibilities are.

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A plan to enhance the design features on third street to better activate that.

C

Third, street pedestrian pedestrian entrance um and.

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I think you know, I think I understand at the corner of grant.

C

And third, that that there is a activated retail space and I.

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Think that's really nice, but I want to make sure that.

C

The doors or entryways on third street.

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Have some complimentary attention- um and that's not apparent to me and and.

C

That was the only other condition I was considering adding.

C

Is that there's a plan to enhance the design features on.

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Third street pedestrian entrances.

C

But I don't know if there's support for that yeah is that a proposal, because I.

V

Would second that.

I

Can I ask a question because I'm generally in favor of this too, but I.

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Would like to better understand the authority we have to require that.

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As a condition, if they're otherwise meeting the requirements to do this,.

B

I think that's a fair question, I'm not positive, I think it would have to be.

B

You would have to be asking them here tonight if they would be open to.

B

Having that discussion carry on um just because legal isn't here to clarify.

B

um Because they are meeting the minimum requirements for those entrances.

B

um uh So it would be more, you know, setting a standard that.

B

You would that you would be interested in them meeting and then asking them if they would be willing to do that. I think would be the thing. I'd be most comfortable with at this point, uh just because mr ricker's not here to clarify exactly how that would.

B

Go in the past, almost all of our site plans were discretionary because of the.

B

Way we do deviations, so it's a lot easier to kind of include.

B

Things where here I would be slightly more cautious about that thanks, beth, that's a good point. Yeah.

A

Sure I would also I would echo that I think I would be a.

A

Little bit hesitant to try to write a requirement on the fly here. um I.

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I agree that we need to to see some additional pedestrian interest there, but.

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I'm also a little bit concerned about um you know, trying to prescribe exactly.

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What the solution there is, I you know if you look at that, that.

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Elevation on the west, the westernmost section of third street there's, there's.

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Not much going on there, but the grade is also very steep there and the last thing that I would want to see.

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Here is that the petitioner feels that they're required to try to squeeze some.

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Side of some type of wall- art onto that section.

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That grade, where we've got artwork, that's down at people's ankles.

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As they're walking by, I don't think that's going to enhance the.

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Experience at all- and I think, there's um you know quite a quite a few ways that.

A

You could address that. I would much rather see it addressed through landscaping than trying to.

A

Just squeeze some artwork, that's just going to create a very, very busy.

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Facade, that's really not going to improve the.

A

The pedestrian experience there, but I I I think it's important enough that.

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It's worth having some some discussion so that we can really.

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Get across to the petitioner, what our! What our desire is here so.

V

I would thank you for that that comment, um one of the things that I was going to.

V

Comment on in general, I am so grateful for the parameters that.

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We now have to operate with with the new udo. It makes our work so much easier.

V

When I think about last year and the year before, and how.

V

Difficult our work was to interpret and how much simpler it seems.

V

Now, with petitioners being able to work with planning and getting some real clear-cut uh recommendations, um both uh petitions.

V

That we've dealt with tonight have been relatively easy, so I would remove my second for any kind of additional.

V

Recommendation at this point because I agree, I think.

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This has all been worked out to um to the specifications of the udo.

V

And I'm with it.

C

Well, I would uh remove the condition if, given the legal.

C

Concerns that were raised, I certainly don't want to get us in trouble with.

C

Legal at this point, but I do remain really concerned about.

C

How it looks on third street, and I think that um I'm just going to state my.

C

Preference is for the petitioner to really think about.

C

Those um entryways and ensure that they're.

C

Activated and of does they incorporate more of the.

C

Design features that might be reasonable, given I I understand the elevation interests and if it could be done through.

C

Landscaping or some other means, I would really encourage that. I think.

C

It's going to look pretty sad from third street and as much.

C

As I agree that there's um cars going past at a rate of speed.

C

But if you're stopped at that light and you're walking, by which I think.

C

We're going to see a lot more pedestrian traffic on third, given this.

C

Development it it deserves attention; it should not.

C

Be um you know just a a wall of windows.

C

um Or something that doesn't even you're, not even sure if there's a door.

C

There I'd like to see more in that so I'll state that as a concern.

C

About this project, but I do appreciate the other ways that.

C

The petitioner has really activated grand street.

C

And I think that will add a great deal to enhance that whole area. So I.

C

Appreciate all that I don't mean to be picky on this, but I do think that it's.

C

Worth it to consider what we're going to see on third, I don't consider it just a.

C

High-Speed traffic area that doesn't deserve our attention.

A

Thank you for that. Any other final comments.

I

um I'll just add one other thing in my earlier comment. That's I just wanted to.

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Acknowledge the concerns that were raised by some members of the public, and particularly from coal stone square.

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About the parking and the potential for parking overflow, I.

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Think we're in this moment in time where we are trying.

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To reduce the number of cars and have more infill, we've seen it with.

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Both of these projects tonight and I I appreciate that there will be.

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Still some concern about well, will that really work? Will people really not have.

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Cars will they not be looking for more parking, um but I I think that this uh is a project that.

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Is premised on bringing people quite a number of people.

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To an area where the services are there, they are walkable and we we have.

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To be going down this road, this is the no pun intended, but this is the vision I.

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Think um for where we're heading uh and that.

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The new udo supports it so uh without meaning to minimize the.

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The concerns I I completely understand them.

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um But I I am hopeful uh that in fact this will work as intended.

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And we will be seeing that reduction uh in cars and car use.

A

Okay, so we uh the the motion, is um for approval.

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uh With the um the findings and conditions as outlined,.

A

In the uh in the staff report- and I think we.

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Are ready and with the additional fourth.

B

Condition that was added fourth condition. Yes,.

A

Yes and um any final comment.

A

I think we're ready last call: okay, let's call the roll.

H

Whistler, yes, copper, yeah! Yes,.

H

Kate, yes varela.

H

Yes, yes, kenzie, yes, herrera.

H

Samber, yes, think john! Yes,.

U

Okay, thank you that passes ten. Nothing since chris.

A

Voted twice but.

A

uh Officially, nine nine zero, I think, is my count.

A

uh So, uh thank you. We will move on to our final petition.

A

Of the of the night, um which is uh sp.

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16-20 and forgive me, I'm not sure who we have.

A

uh Presenting this one.

R

uh To um again ryan again, all right ryan, take it away.

R

Okay, uh this petitions for the property located at.

R

2300 west tap road, uh the property is currently zoned.

R

Employment, the em district, uh the property.

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Is currently developed with a single-family dwelling, the comprehensive.

R

Plan has designated this property as employment, uh the surrounding uses.

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Include vacant parcels to the north, south and west in the clear creek trail.

R

To the east, the property to the south is a vacant.

R

Quarry is owned by the petitioner and is outside of the city's jurisdictional.

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Boundaries: it's in the monroe county, zoning.

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Boundaries, uh the petitioner is proposing to rezone the property from.

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Its current zoning of employment to residential state re, the em.

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District does not allow for the construction or expansion of.

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Single-Family dwellings, um the petitioner is requesting the.

R

Rezone in order to expand, expand the currently existing structure.

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uh This site, uh just as a history of the site, the site includes a historic.

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House constructed in 1855 the property is within the borland house in first.

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Quarry state listed historic district. The property was annexed by the city of.

R

Bloomington and zoned quarry the property had been identified by its.

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Joining use, while, um while the property was within.

R

The areas intended for annexation that caused the property to be rezoned.

R

Or zoned quarry when it came in to the city, the newly adopted udo and.

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Conversion map changed the zoning from quarry to employment.

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This is the the comprehensive plan. Again has this as employment, you can see.

R

That the light blue area encompasses the entirety of the um parcel.

R

uh So the comprehensive plan offers these points of guidance for development.

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Development approvals, the first one is goal: 2.2, preservation.

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It says to preserve assets of historical, architectural and.

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Archaeological significance uh policy 5.2 point 3 says that in historic.

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Neighborhoods and districts to preserve or enhance authentic design.

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Characteristics such as building form by encouraging newer remodeling structures.

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Or historically compatible with the neighborhoods or.

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Adjacent structures, uh historic preservation,.

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To enhance our sense of community and preserve the stories.

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Of older cultures found in landmarks and landscapes.

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We visit and protect memories of people places events.

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And honor our local monuments and markers.

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The the comprehensive plan also uh offers the.

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Following goals and guidances for protecting historic.

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And environmental resources, so the entirety of the comprehensive plan has a.

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Purpose that says, the plan should be used to assist the.

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Mayor city council plan commission and city staff to ensure that.

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Development decisions are balanced with protection and conservation of natural.

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Cultural and historical resources, according to public preferences and.

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Input, it also has the vision statement.

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Principle, 9, which says that nature is resilient, environmentally responsible community by.

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Judiciously using scarce resources, enhancing our natural assets.

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And protecting historic resources as well so vision, statement principle.

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12, it says to recognize that many virtues of historic preservation.

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Rehabilitation and reuse of our historic structures.

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Goal 3.4 says to increase the area of native shrubs trees.

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Herbaceous plants to increase ecosystems, services associated with premium.

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Infrastructure etc, to preserve.

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Flora and fauna and then the comprehensive plan also has goals and.

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Guidance for allowing residents to age in place.

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The vision statement principle 3 says that.

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Meet basic needs and ensure self-sufficiency for.

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All residents uh goal 1.2 health and safety.

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Supports programs and strategies that sustain and enhance the health and.

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Safety of residents and visit visitors policy 4.4.5.

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Says to encourage special design qualities such as universal design,.

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One to two bedroom limits: adequate storage and the use of sustainable.

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Enduring materials that promotes housing and built for all citizens in ranges of.

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Ages and affordability, options, policy, 5.3.2.

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Says to enable seniors to remain in their own homes and to quote age in.

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Place policy 5.3.3 says to support home.

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Modification university using user universal device.

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Design standards for non-student oriented housing.

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Especially with the needs of older adults and people with disabilities,.

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This is the proposed site plan, as you can see,.

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The house is set back um from tap road. It's actually not visible due.

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To the wooded area, so it's not visible from tap road. It's.

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Accessed through that drive there you can see the.

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Proposed addition uh in the back.

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There in that is the proposed edition. The current structure is here. There are.

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Also three currently existing accessory structures.

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This is the proposed first floor of the development which has the accessory.

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Or the addition included you can see here it includes some living habitable.

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Space and a bathroom um which the.

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Petitioner is proposing to utilize to help.

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Age in place here is the south elevation showing the.

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Proposed edition um again, this isn't isn't necessarily part of the.

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Rezone process, it's just to give you an idea of what is being proposed and why.

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It is being proposed, since um the em district does not allow.

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For the expansion of a single-family dwelling unit at all.

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uh So there are some issues, uh two potential issues that arise from the.

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Brazil proposed rezone. The first is the.

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Dimensional standards based on the proposed addition to the current structure, the current structure would meet the required 60-foot setback. um The addition would encroach into that.

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30 35 feet into the rear building setback.

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So that would require a variance to be constructed.

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And the the property to the south is owned by the.

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Current petitioner and um is outside of the city of bloomington boundaries, it's.

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Also, a vacant quarry uh the second issue that arises.

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Is accessory uses instructors, the re district places.

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A slightly different maximum on accessory structures, in that it's a.

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Cumulative footprint print of fifty percent of the square.

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Footage of the primary structure, um the current structure is two roughly.

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Two thousand square feet, uh and so the maximum uh footprint would.

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Be roughly um a thousand square feet, the current.

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The existing three structures uh are roughly 3 300 square feet, so they.

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Would be all over the maximum allowable in the re district, uh so a.

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Variance would be also required to legitimize.

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Those existing accessory structures.

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But in conclusion, the development provides the rezoning.

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Of the property which has unique historic and.

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Historical and environmental characteristics, which should be.

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Preserved the comprehensive plan gives clear guidance to support the preservation of both the historic.

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And environmental features, as well as giving guidance to assist.

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Residents to agent place when the property was annexed.

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The city carried forward the the zoning that was shared with the city of.

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Bloomington and the monroe county um planning department in the.

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Areas intended for annexation, it identified it as quarry based on.

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The southern, the attached southern property.

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um When it was brought when the current property.

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Was brought into the city, um it was potentially or was misidentified as.

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Quarry based on that uh joint uh zoning, um which.

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Probably should have been re originally, and so that is what we're proposing to.

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Adjust to to make it right um and that that.

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Will also allow it to protect um the environmental.

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Features and the historic property, whereas the em.

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District would not allow it would not so easily allow the.

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Protections that the re district would uh so.

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The um zoning map amendment plan uh has plan commission um review and.

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Recommendations, um the first one says the.

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Recommendations of the conference point: it must meet the recommendations of the comprehensive plan, uh so the.

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Comprehensive plan designates this property and the surrounding areas uh as employment center.

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So when determining future land uses the city comprehensive plan.

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Did not attempt a parcel level evaluation instead.

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Attempted to identify larger portions of the city.

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Where land uses were more suitable, this approach can cause some.

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Outlier parcels to be inadvertently identified.

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As districts that are not compatible with the built.

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Environment or environmental characteristics that already exist on.

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The property that is especially the case for.

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Properties containing sense of historic, sensitive, historic structures. This.

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Property has been used as a single family dwelling for more than 150 years.

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And the petitioner is proposing to continue to be to use it as such. um Shifting from em to re would ensure.

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That protection, um the conference plan gives guidance to.

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Land use decisions throughout the city. This guidance includes goals which seek.

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To preserve unique historic properties throughout bloomington.

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um The property again contains a historic structure. That's over 150 years.

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Old and is on the state of indiana's historic is in a state of indian historic district.

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The comprehensive plan gives guidance to protect the health and safety of the.

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City's residents, this proposal would allow the expansion of an existing use to allow current residents to build.

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Addition, in addition, which will help them age in place, uh the current conditions and character.

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Structure uh must match in the each zoning district.

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uh The current conditions on the land um aligned much better with re.

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Districts than they do with the rem districts, uh the re district is intended to provide residential development on large.

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Lots allowing for limited agricultural and civic uses and protecting sensitive environmental resources. The.

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Current use as a single-family dwelling on 19.7 acres um of a heavily.

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Wooded area would allow for us, it would be suitable in the re district and not.

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The em district, uh the historic president on the.

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Property would also be permitted within the re district and can not only.

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Continue its use but expand its legal as a legal use.

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uh The most desirable use for which the land in each.

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Zoning district is adapted, the historic uh or the property contains a.

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Historic single family dwelling and is unique and should be preserved.

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uh The historic nature of the property makes it for single-family use.

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To be the most desirable use of the property, as.

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Its loss would be detrimental to the character of the city.

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The property is heavily wooded and the re district would allow for further.

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Protection of environmental assets that the city currently has.

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uh The conservation of sensitive environmental features.

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uh This property again heavily wooded the re district, would allow for.

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Long-Term conservation of this wooded area, as it would limit the use of the property to.

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Only single family and light agricultural uses.

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uh The proposed free zone would even.

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The proposed rezone would also have a protective effect on the property.

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Even if the surrounding properties develop in the future, so.

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um If the vacant surround the vacant parcels to the north and.

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West were to be developed with more intense use.

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This will further protect that environmentally sensitive area.

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uh The property is currently developed if they, oh sorry, the conservation of the.

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Property values throughout the jurisdiction throughout the jurisdiction, uh the property is currently developed with a.

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Single family dwelling and has to cause no detrimental effect on the surrounding.

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Property values, the property to the north and west are.

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Currently vacant the property to the east is home to the.

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Clear creek trail and the property to the south is owned.

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By the petitioner and is outside of the city, jurisdictional bounds,.

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No negative effects have are expected as a result of this.

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Rezoning this finding was accidentally removed from the staff report.

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um But I will discuss it here. The property is currently developed with a.

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Single family or responsible development and growth, the.

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Property is currently developed with a single family dwelling.

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And has been for over 150 years, uh it's responsible to protect this.

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Historic property and prevent it from becoming another more intense use. There are vacant lands set for more.

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Intense development to the north and west of the property, these properties are far more suitable for non-single-family uses.

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Whereas this property should maintain its current use as a single-family.

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Residence, um so with that uh the.

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uh Based on the facts and findings, uh the department recommends that the plan.

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Commission suspend the rules of procedure to allow for one hearing.

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And for the planned commission to forward this position.

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To the common council, with a positive recommendation with the following.

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Conditions one, the proposed addition to the structure must receive a variance from the bza in order to.

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Encroach into the rear building setback and two the property must receive a.

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Variance from the vca in order to legitimize the existing.

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Accessory structures, just as a note, the waiver on the second.

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Hearing will require a separate vote and must be.

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Unanimous and now I can answer any questions.

A

Thank you, ryan. I see that uh the petitioner is with us as well. Is.

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There anything that you would like to add to the presentation.

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Well, uh thank you. I um I'm duncan campbell.

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It's my wife, kathy spiaja. We wrote the petitioner's statement and.

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I think is pretty thorough and even somewhat more thorough.

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Than the thorough presentation you just heard, so I don't really have a lot to add to it.

Y

um I think the characterization of the fact that.

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Of the employment zoning is probably accurate that it was.

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More of an oversight than an intention.

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This borland farm at one time was almost 2 000 acres and has slowly been.

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Subdivided out until my purchase, which was specifically.

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For the residential part of the property, before that, it was.

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First farmed for 100 years and then the property that we own behind us.

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Behind the house was quarried for another.

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Well, from 1930 to 1970 something so another 45 years, which explains the.

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Previous zoning, but the part that we, the the part, that's.

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In the city limits that we um currently live on has been used as a.

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Residence really not since 1855, sorry, ryan. It's.

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Actually 1830., so it's been continuous residential use for.

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For almost 200 years, um and all we're really trying to do is is.

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Rectify the zoning to reflect what the use has been historically and and this zoning is much more appropriate as.

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Has been mentioned to protect the property into the future.

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This all came up to us as somewhat of a surprise, because we were planning an addition, um as has been explained so we'll have.

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Another bathroom one on the first floor and also access to space where we don't have to go up and down the stairs as we get.

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Older um and we had all that pretty much ready.

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To go when we got caught in the zoning trap um so.

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um So jackie and ryan were really helpful in.

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Trying to find a solution so that we could proceed with.

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With basically, what we've already been doing for 34 years, which is taking care.

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Of this property we're the ones who.

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Bought it restored, it lived in it, put it on the state register and have.

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Continued to protect it and in terms of the environmental aspect.

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Of it, a very significant portion of the front.

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20 acres is wetland or floodplain, which we've also preserved.

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And we've preserved a 1855 civil war era, barn.

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Back to it's close to its original condition,.

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And the other ancillary building is a limestone garage that was built by the.

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Quarry company, which is a solid buff, limestone building, which is.

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Historic in its own right, so the entire site, quarries and house.

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Are on the state register of historic places,.

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Because both tell separate but equally interesting, historic.

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Stories about how this land has been in use.

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So that's what we're trying to protect and that's the purpose of our petition.

A

Great. Thank you.

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Forgive me I I think I improperly introduced this is sp.

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1620 but it's zo 1620. are there any uh questions uh from commissioners.

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Either for staff or their petitioner on zo1620.

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Commissioner, kinsey.

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I have just a question about the county portion of this. I realized that.

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You know that's not within our purview, but I sort of feel if tron were here.

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Tonight um he might want to comment on something.

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That is so near to I mean it, I my understanding is from this that it it.

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Completely um the the property owners also have the.

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Property that goes into the county, and I'm wondering if there's been.

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Conversations with the county about the property and if um that's been.

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If there are any concerns from a county perspective about.

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Access to the quarry space or or anything related to county concerns, I.

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Don't know if, if ryan has any follow-up on that.

B

Oh, I I'll just this is jackie. Sorry, I'm just going to interject really fast.

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um The county is in the process of doing the rezone and then duncan may be able.

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They are doing a similar rezoning um process.

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For the entire county that we just did with the udo.

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Are in the process of doing and duncan may be able to comment more specifically.

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But I think the land to the south- it's old quarry, so it's not.

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Doesn't need to be accessible in the way that.

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Like you're saying for it to not be landlocked, and I don't think we.

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Specifically, talk to them um from staff to staff.

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About that issue, but just as a former staff person.

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There and knowing this property, that is not a concern. I don't think as.

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Far as I don't think, anyone would have expected to access.

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That, if need be through this property, because it's a very well known historic.

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Site but duncan or ryan may have additional.

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Comments well, I is duncan I I guess.

Y

Yeah, that's all true: we we own the access to the property behind.

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In other words, our driveway brings you into this property. There is no other way.

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In other than parachute, um there never was.

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Actually, and so like I said, we're sort of caught in this thing, where.

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We're in the middle of a multi-world subdivision.

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When this was really a much bigger, otherwise used.

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Place and when I bought the the front portion which was later annexed into the.

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City, I knew that I was buying the access and.

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When the back portion became for sale a few years later,.

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Part of the reason was that I owned the access and nobody else wanted to buy it.

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And- and it was abandoned quarry, so it didn't have any real.

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Monetary value um for us it was just a security buffer and.

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An interest in the historic aspect of the quarry site that that led us to purchase it so um yeah. I don't think there's there hasn't.

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Ever been expressed any interest, I'm on the I used to be the chair and I'm still on the county. Historic preservation.

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Review board uh my most of those people know about what we're doing here and.

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Have been doing here for several years and I I think in my petitioner statement, I made it clear that I actually used this.

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Property primarily for educational purposes,.

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And as an advocate for our limestone industry, so.

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I don't think there's any uh it's unfortunate that.

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Most of the rules that we're now trying to follow were broken by this property.

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200 years ago, so we're just trying to get it straight. You know the barn was.

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Already here the garage was already here, the house was already here- we were already here and we're just trying to get align the rules with what.

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We're actually what's been going on here for a long time.

C

A

Thank you any uh additional questions from commissioners.

A

All right saying: no, we will go to the public.

A

um Looks like the audience is thinned out here quite a bit. Is there anyone.

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uh Remaining here, who would like to make a comment on zeo16-20.

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If so, just uh click on that participants screen and click on the.

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Raise hand button and we will recognize you.

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I'm not seeing any hands raised uh jackie. Do we have anyone on the.

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Facebook feed- no, I don't see anybody here or on facebook.

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All right well um we'll come back to uh the commission, then, and I think we.

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Can entertain a motion again the recommendation.

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Since this is the rezone, this goes to the council. The recommendation is that we forward this with a positive recommendation.

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um With with two conditions um that the um the pro.

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Structure receives variants from the pca and.

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That the property received variants from vza to legitimize the existing.

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Accessory structures brad- that is correct,.

B

But we will need you guys if you're in agreement.

B

To someone to make a motion to suspend the rules.

B

uh And allow it to be a one uh one hearing process.

B

That'll have to happen first and it'll have to be unanimous. So if anyone decides to abstain or vote no, then we will have to come back next month.

V

So move to suspend the rules.

B

Great, thank you. So the motion is to suspend the rules.

A

um So that we may uh approve this with a with a single hearing, um so let's.

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Let's first vote on that motion to suspend the rules: let's go ahead and.

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Call the, unless is there any any uh discussion? Any comment about this motion.

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Before we call the role everybody understands what.

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We're doing very good all right. Let's call the roll.

H

Hey, could you clarify who seconded that.

A

It was commissioner kinsey, I believe, okay, thank you.

P

It looks like israel's trying to get back in oh good.

P

Okay, let's uh let's hold for just a second here. Let me.

B

Make sure I give him the opportunity just to say.

A

Yeah yeah, okay, israel do you have any.

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Any comment or questions the the motion.

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That's on the floor here is to suspend the rules so that we might.

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uh Approve a single meeting um and then to forego a second hearing. Do.

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You have any comment or question before we.

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Vote on that motion.

B

So, just to clarify it because you might have been gone, israel if anyone votes no.

B

Or abstains on the vote, then they will have to come back next time. Sorry sounds like we have some.

A

Additional comment there.

A

Okay, we'll go ahead and call the roll.

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Yes, okay, yes danberg! Yes,.

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Kinsey, yes, whistler, yes, st john, yes,.

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Yes, okay, thank you all right, so that motion passes 9-0 the.

A

Rules are suspended, and so now I believe, we'll need another motion.

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um To uh forward.

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Zo 1620 with a well with positive recommendation that.

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Is the staff's recommendation but I'll leave it to I move that we, oh okay, I moved that. We.

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uh Forward zeo 1620, with the two variance conditions.

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Outlined by staff to the common council for approval and thank the petitioners.

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For a very interesting petitioner statement in history, so I found that.

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Very educational and really appreciated thanks for taking the time to do that, as well as the time you've taken.

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For all of the care of the land and the historic features of the property.

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A

Okay, the motion and the sega motion is to forward to the council with a.

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Positive recommendation uh with the the two conditions outlined.

A

In the uh in the packet, any final discussion or.

A

Are we ready for a final vote.

A

Okay, let's, uh let's call the roll.

H

Okay, yes, cockroam, yes, urrell.

H

Yes, sandberg, yes, whistler, yes,.

H

St john, yes, copper, yes, kenzie.

H

Herrera: okay, thank you all right, so that.

A

Motion carries nine zero and uh thank you.

A

To the petitioner, thank you to staff. Thank you to everyone else. That's our.

A

Final agenda item this evening and uh and we're all done, thank you so much.

B

Brad thanks everybody thanks everybody good night, good night, good night cheers.

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