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A
Well,
happy
new
year:
everyone!
Let
me
call
to
order
this.
A
We
have
a
few
items
that
we
need
to
attend
to
before
we
get
into
our
our
main
agenda
for
the.
A
Evening,
this
being
the
first
meeting
of
the
year,
we
have
some
housekeeping
to.
A
To
take
care
of
so
we'll
get
to
that,
and
then
we'll
have
two
petitions
for
for
hearing.
A
This
evening,
but
why
don't
we
start
by
calling
the
role
great
whistler
here
kenzie
here,
copper.
B
Here,
all
right,
so
we
do
have
a
quorum,
so
we
will
proceed
our.
A
Every
year
at
the
beginning
of
the
year-
and
I
know
you've
all
thought
long
and
hard
about
what.
A
Kind
of
roles
you
want
to
volunteer
for
this
year,
so
I'm
sure
this
will
be
fun
as
it
always
is.
A
Jackie,
you
sure
I'll
how
about
I'll
go
over.
B
We'll
start
there,
okay,
so
the
two,
the
main,
the
two
larger
roles
that
we
have
here
listed.
B
And
I
don't
think
brad
did
you
have
to
come
to
one
meeting?
I
think
I
think
we
needed
brad
services.
B
Maybe
one
of
the
months
and
then
we
have
oh
sorry
yeah
I
came
to
perfect.
Then
we
have
three.
B
Until
february,
because,
as
some
of
you
may
know,
we
have
a
new
transportation
and
traffic
engineer.
B
And
so
he
I
would
like
to
include
him
in
the
conversation
of
who
he
thinks
would
be
appropriate.
B
For
that
committee,
when
he
was
here
before
he
served
on
that
committee
and
the
way
that
the
plan.
B
Commission
rules
and
procedures
are
written
one
of
the
staff
members
for
on
the
committee,
one.
B
Hold
those
three
off
and
then
you
also,
typically,
though,
I
don't
think
we
did
it
last
year,
a.
B
Point
appoint
all
three
of
those
and
then
three
alternates,
so
we
will
plan
to
do
that
next
month.
B
And
I
believe
that
that
appointment
going
forward
is
fine
still,
as
well
as
the
alternate.
B
That
you
recently
appointed
karina
pazos,
we
would
ask
that
those
to
be
reappointed
and.
B
Then
we
have
a
monroe
county
plan:
commission
ex-officio
member-
that
some
years
we
are.
B
B
I
think
what
we've
done
in
the
past
is
let
those
who
are
already
who
served
in
the
previous
year.
B
To
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
each
because
of
the
nature
of
the
of
these
types
of
zoom
meetings.
B
B
Were
interested
in
serving
again
and
then
go
from
there,
I
am
happy
to
serve
again
also
more.
A
Than
happy
to
pass
the
gavel,
if
there's
someone
else
who
would
would
like
to
serve
this
year,.
A
Nominations
all
right
very
well,
then:
let's,
let's
call
the
roll
on
the
nomination
of.
B
Yes,
all
right,
we'll
move
on
then
to
vice
president.
Currently,
jillian
kinsey
is.
A
We
have
nomination
in
a
second
any
other
nominations
for
vice
president.
A
Before
we,
the
nominations,
okay,
very
well,
we
have
nomination
in
a
second,
let's
call
the
roll.
B
A
D
F
F
So
that
creates
a
conflict,
that's
the
only
otherwise.
I
would
would
love
to
love
to
serve.
F
A
And
I
can
tell
you
I
got
called
up
from
the
from
the
minor
leagues
for
for
just.
A
One
meeting
last
year,
so
it's
not
not
much
of
a
commitment.
Okay,
I
I
I'm
not
sure
I
have
that.
B
Is
very
difficult:
yeah,
like
jillian
can't
be
on
susan
already,
is
on
flavia.
B
That
the
mayor's
appointment
spot
stayed
open
so
long,
no
offense,
I'm
not
trying.
B
To
throw
brad
under
the
bus,
but
I
do
think
there
aren't
that
many
other
choices.
B
I
A
Yeah,
I
suppose
I
could
do
it
again.
I
mean.
A
My
schedule
is
kind
of
crazy
as
well.
It
so
happened
this
last
year
that.
A
I
was
able
to
make
it
the
one
night
that
did
get
called
up,
so
we
can
just
cross
our
fingers
that.
E
J
All
right
so
doesn't
sound
like
we're
going
to
have
any
other
nominations.
So
I
guess
we'll
just.
B
B
Go
ahead
and
skip
plot
committee
and
then
the
rules
just
indicate
that
until
a
new
group
is.
B
Appointed,
I
believe
the
old
group
keeps
serving,
but
we
will
address
that
in
february
after.
B
Today
is
mr
seaborne's
first
day
back,
so
we
didn't.
I
didn't
want
to
pin
him
down
on.
B
That,
and
in
that
vein
also
just
as
a
side
note
thinking
mr
copper
again
for
serving
in
the.
B
Interim
position
on
this
board
brings
so
much
value
to
these
meetings
for
us
and
we'll
miss.
B
Him
I
know
he'll
miss
us
too,
okay
and
so
then,
moving
on
to
the
next
hearing
officer.
B
Appointment
to
those
two
positions,
unless
you
all
have
other
ideas
so
moved
second.
A
Do
we
need
to
vote
on
those
separately?
I
don't
think
we
have
to
unless
people,
unless
you
all
want.
B
To
nope:
let's:
let's
keep
it
moving
okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
for
the
slate.
A
The
past
is
just
allowed
you
to
appoint
a
proxy,
exactly
exactly
which
I
would
love
to
do
again
and.
B
A
B
That
back
next
month
as
well,
I
do
think
I
I
recall
the
it
being
you
by
default
situation,
but.
B
We'll
double
check
that
sorry.
I
forgot
about
that
one
before
tonight
and
then
the
last.
B
B
Serve
in
a
similar
function
to
how
tron
serves
here
and
make
comments
based
on.
B
You
know
kind
of
the
good
of
the
of
the
city
plan
commission
there,
but
you're
a
non-voting
member.
B
And
I
think
john
can
tell
us
more
about
when
they
meet.
I
believe
last
year
it's
possible.
B
K
There's
a
administrative
meeting
and
a
regular
meeting.
I'm
sorry
we,
oh
yeah
there
you
go.
B
First,
there's
the
administrative
meeting
and
the
regular
it's
a
big
job.
K
K
I
think
they're
thursday
meetings,
you
put
me
on
the
spot.
Oh
I'm
sorry.
H
H
Are
tuesdays,
they
typically
used
to
be
first
and
third
tuesdays
of
the
month.
The
administrative.
B
They
get
cut
more
of
them
attend
and
sometimes
the
petitioners
there
that
type
of
thing
and.
B
So
obviously,
attendance
there
would
be
good
if
possible,
but
also
you
know
that
they
just
have
one.
B
Regular
meeting
a
month
which
beth,
I
think
you
can,
I
think,
it's
the
third
tuesday
of
the
month.
K
B
You
in
advance-
I
just
forgot-
and
I
do
think
this
year,
having
someone's
presence
attending.
K
Those
would
be
quite
significant.
We
are
looking
at
a
consolidated
development,
ordinance.
K
So
I
think
any
input
or
contribution
that
you
could
provide
to
the
county
plan
commission
would.
K
Be
very
valuable,
but
it
is
a
big
role
and
I
don't
really
think
you
need
to
attend
all
of
them.
E
Did
on
occasion
attend
the
the
regular
monthly.
H
Ahead
and
do
it,
I
attended
a
couple
as
an
alternate
and
I
think,
they're
very
interesting.
H
But
but
I'll
I'll
give
it
a
shot,
but
then
we
do
need
an
alternate
in
case.
Something
comes.
H
You
know,
did
we
get
a
second
on
jillian's
nomination
of
beth?
Second,
thanks.
A
All
right,
so,
let's
go
ahead
and
call
the
roll
on
the
nomination
of
beth
kate.
F
A
Positions,
we
need
to
fill
nope.
I
believe
that
is
it
and
we
will
come
back
with
you
back
to
you.
B
B
View
jackie
one
question:
I'm
currently
the
bloomington
monroe
county
metropolitan
planning.
A
No,
I
believe,
that's
the
same
thing.
I
think
you
were
going
to
that
as
my
proxy.
A
B
So
it
may
have
been
discussed
later
and
that's
why
I
thought
that
we
had
left
it
blank.
B
B
M
D
A
All
right
very
well
all
right,
then,
the
next
thing
we'll
assuming
there's
no
more
oh.
B
A
B
Of
you
hopefully
know
for
the
last
two
and
a
half
months,
we've
been
spending
time
presenting.
B
We
are
working
on
changes
to
the
proposed
draft
to
for
the
version
that
will
come
forward
to
you.
B
Those
start
this
month,
but
with
noticing
requirements
will
probably
be
slightly
later.
B
Sure
we're
weighing
as
much
as
we
can
so
that
what
comes
to
you
is
fully
formed
based.
B
On
the
comments
and
feedback
we've
gotten,
and
so
we
just
wanted
to
give
you
that
update,
because.
B
B
Know
that
it
will
be
coming
we're
working
on
it
and
we
hope
to
have
that
released
here.
B
Shortly
and
then,
as
I
said
before,
andrew
siebor
is
the
new
traffic
transportation
and
traffic.
B
B
D
D
D
All
of
this
groundwork
that
you've
been
doing
and
the
the
offers
that
you've
been
making
to
do.
D
D
B
A
Looks
like
tron
has
something.
I
just
want
to
note
that
I'm
in
attendance.
A
A
A
The
case
manager
is
eric
and
looks
like
eric
is
ready
to
present.
Take
it
away
eric.
N
All
right,
not
a
problem.
Thank
you
chris,
so
brad,
as
you
mentioned,
this
is
a
request
from
the.
N
That
dream,
so
this
has
been
heard
at
two
plane:
commission
meetings.
So
far
at
the
last
planning.
N
N
N
N
In
the
district
ordinance
they've
revised
the
elevations
for
the
buildings
for
the
the
town.
N
Homes
and
so
we're
here
tonight
to
present
some
of
those
changes
and
to
make
a
general.
N
Overall
recommendation,
so
some
of
the
changes
that
have
happened
regarding
the
town
homes.
N
N
N
N
Two
floors
of
that
building
would
be
parking
with
three
stories
of
residential
units
above.
N
The
south
only
has
five
feet
of
separation
between
the
building
and
the
the
property
line.
N
N
To
the
north
of
that
we
have
the
two
mixed-use
buildings
and
then
the
three
townhome
buildings.
N
N
To
create
along
the
switch
yard
park
of
fronts
of
buildings
that
provide
eyes
on
the
trail.
N
Previously
and
accomplished
a
lot
of
the
goals
that
we
were
looking
for,
so
we
are
quite
happy.
N
With
how
those
conversations
have
moved
so,
as
I
mentioned,
the
building
that
is
south.
N
N
The
100
percent
that
they
were
requesting
and
then
also
a
minimum
20
percent
landscape
area.
N
N
That
just
go
along
with
creating
diversity
with
those
pedestrian
entrances,
so
we
wanted
to
just.
N
Make
sure
that
was
in
sync
with
the
udl,
so
we
are
proposing
to
that's
plain
commission.
N
Approval
that
are
listed
in
staff's
report
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
eric
is
there
a
representative
of
the
petitioner
who
would
like
to.
A
O
O
Listened,
I
know
the
you
know,
a
lot
of
the
discussion
was
on
the
town
homes
and
how
the.
O
O
O
That
runs
north
to
south
so
that
the
warehouse
to
the
south
of
us
at
some
time
could
connect.
O
O
O
O
And
so
you
know
other
than
planting
grass
and
and
sod
there
for
now
during
the
construction.
O
O
City,
you
know
the
city
had
a
plan,
the
massing
plan
from
january
to
2020
that
you
all
have
seen.
O
O
The
commercial
that
we'd
like
to
see
become
vibrant
right
here
in
our
first
building.
Just.
O
30
of
those
spaces,
20
of
them
belong
to
the
building
owner
that
shares
the
north
part
of.
O
O
Needed
a
taller
building
at
this
site
and
those
are
the
issues
and
then
part
of
that
is.
O
A
From
commissioners
for
for
either
the
staff
or
for
the
petitioner
at
this
point,.
H
So
the
easement
is,
who
is
that
owned
by.
O
O
Foot
in
with
easement
okay.
So
because
early
on
eric
had
really
talked
to
me
about
trying
to.
O
H
H
O
O
O
H
H
Of
that
80
20
that
you
were
looking
at
so
I
would
imagine
if
that's
grass,
then
that
will
get.
N
To
the
80
percent,
however,
you
know,
as
doug
mentioned,
you
know
if
they
need
to
get
access.
N
So
the
the
80
is
completely
reasonable.
It's
the
same
standard
as
the
other
parcels
to
the
north.
N
H
N
Change
the
footprint
of
the
building-
that's
fine,
you
know
they're
any
number
and
you
know
maybe.
N
You
know
with
that
building
and
that
drive.
You
know
if
the
rest
of
the
site
is
grass.
N
That
might
get
close
to
the
eighty
percent.
You
know
I
don't
know,
there's
there's
certainly
lots.
N
Of
possibilities,
but
we
just
as
I
mentioned
just
didn't,
feel
that
a
hundred
percent
was.
H
But
then
there's
just
the
uncertainty
of
what
comes
down
the
road
with
the
owners
of
the.
B
B
Is
right,
so
we
have
acknowledged,
we
acknowledge,
you
know,
recommending
approval
of
this
project.
B
That
the
impervious
surface
is
important,
but
there
are
other,
maybe
competing
interests
that.
B
Yes,
they
would
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
it
at
the
next
stage.
Thanks
jackie.
N
Did
the
review
was
you
know
the
the
difference
of
this
building
versus
the
other
buildings
to
the.
N
North,
so,
as
I
mentioned
to
the
north,
you
know
they've
got
a
five-story
building
shown.
N
Could
be
up
to
65
feet
tall?
However,
that's
got
almost
75
feet
of
separation
between
that.
N
N
And
the
property
line
with
no
buffering
and
the
adjacent
buildings,
you
know
single-family.
N
N
Appropriate
here
on
the
site
in
relation
to
adjacent
structures,
you
know,
since
this.
N
You
know
our
concern,
as
I
mentioned,
is
the
five
stories
the
65
feet.
That's
right
up
against
these.
N
Residences,
you
know
the
fact
that
they've
got
parking
in
this
building.
That's
at
a
one-to-one.
N
N
N
Is
kind
of
a
self-induced
hardship
here
that
they've
created
you
know,
so
our.
A
Back
on
those
upper
stories,
well,
sir,
there's
not,
they
did
not
build
in
a
standard
for.
N
A
step
back,
certainly
a
step
back,
would
help
to
mitigate
that
and
that's
something
that
we.
N
Could
build
into
the
district
ordinance?
That's
that's,
certainly
an
option.
A
O
Yeah
I
mean-
and
we
we
discussed
this
as
we
got
here
together
here
today.
That
is
a
step
back.
O
O
Off
you
know
that
easily
so
so
you
know,
I
think
we
could
certainly
bring
that
number
down
from
100.
O
And
I
think
if
we
could
step
back
that
top
story
a
bit,
you
know
10
or
12
feet
18
feet.
Maybe.
O
O
O
O
Staircase
up
to
the
prop
the
parcels,
the
two
multi-family
homes
that
are
right
there
behind
us.
O
O
But
we
certainly
would
could
work
in
work
in
an
additional
story
step
back
along
the.
O
A
So
I
guess
follow
up
for
for
eric.
How
would
we
is
that
something
that
we
could
handle
just
by.
A
Amending
one
of
these
conditions,
what
would
your
thoughts
on
yeah?
So
what
we
would
do
there
is.
N
Just
revise
that
condition,
condition
number
two
to
say
that
building
number
is
seven
will.
C
C
Areas
or
does
it
count
just
on
the
same
plane,
so
the
the
minimum
landscape
area.
So
there
are
two.
N
And
then
the
other
is
the
minimum
landscape
area.
So
but
neither
one
of
those
allow
for
any.
N
B
B
Useful
way
than
than
a
regular
white
roof
does
it's
something
to
consider?
I
think.
G
Okay
and
that's
it
pretty
much
yeah,
okay,
all
right
and
one
other
thing
eric.
Could
you
just.
G
Restate
again
for
me
how
you
would
change
condition
number
two
with
regard
to
the
stories.
N
Yep,
so
the
the
first
part
of
number
two
would
stay
the
same.
That
deals
with
impervious
surface.
N
And
minimum
landscaping
and
then
so
the
the
portion
of
it.
So
it
would
say
a
minimum
20.
G
Okay,
to
allow
for
the
five
stories
on
the
east
side
right,
the
west
side
or
on
the.
A
D
D
O
O
O
O
That
acts
like
a
prius
when
it
when
it
descends
it
charges
its
batteries.
There's
a
lot
of
things.
O
Understanding
need
for
homes
and
lead
silver,
we're
happy
to
clarify
it.
Whatever
makes
the.
B
Most
sense,
I
think
there
was
some
concern
coming
out
of
the
ec
that
previous
that
previously
it.
B
B
B
We
were
trying
to
match
our
understanding
of
what
the
original
proposal
was,
so
it
meaning,
if
you.
B
All
think
that
that's
too
burdensome,
I
don't
think
we
would
push
back
on
that.
The
idea
is,
you
know.
B
Making
them
obviously
be
building
them
to
agree
and
a
green
standard.
That's
well
known
and.
B
Easily
kind
of
trackable
for
the
developer
and
anyone
else
who
might
be
interested
in
that.
B
Or
just
in
these
discussions
we
can,
we
can
hold
them
to
what's
in
the
petitioner's.
B
Project
but
sometimes
special
pieces.
We
want
to
pull
out
and
make
sure
that
we
you.
B
D
A
Would
the
petitioner
like
to
respond
to
that
no
yeah,
I
I
think
I
mean
I
was.
O
A
A
A
K
Yes,
just
kinda
with
the
discussion
with
lot
four,
with
the
reconfiguration
of
that.
K
O
The
end
of
the
day,
and
and
so
when
I
looked
at
the
packet
and
that's
when
I
saw
we
were
losing
a.
O
O
O
Agree
with
that,
I
think
I
think
we
can
make
that
work,
and
but
it's
something
that
you
know
again.
K
K
O
Over
the
process
or
the
this
whole
process
for
this
site
that
we've
gone
down
the
road
and.
O
O
O
O
D
O
O
I
think
our
other
buildings
show
it
it's
really
big.
On
the
360
degree,
architecture.
O
O
O
O
Either
the
juliet
balconies,
where
you
just
have
the
it's,
not
something
you
can
sit
on,
but
you
can.
O
North
elevation
and
some
of
that
east
elevation
without
the
balconies
it'll
have
some
of
the
brick.
A
I've
got
one
one
more
question
in
in
some
of
these
renderings
it.
It
kind
of
appears
like.
A
That
the
trail
sort
of
tease
into
that
plot
of
trees.
O
You
hadn't
really
looked
at
that
too
much.
That
was
trying
to
use
an
aerial
site
to
make
that
work.
O
If
we
can
get
something
for
that
again,.
O
It's
it's
kind
of
a
cost
issue.
I
mean
there's
been
a
great
amount
of
money
spent
to
get
us
to.
O
This
point
we've
tried
to
lay
the
park
in.
I
think
I
don't
know
if
we
have
the
renderings.
A
Public
comment,
so
if
you
are
here
to
make
comment
on
this
petition,
the
best
way
to
do
that
is.
A
Five
minutes
to
make
comments
and,
as
you
begin
please
be
sure,
to
state
your
name
for
the
record.
B
P
And
re-election
to
bza
alternate,
I
speak
as
a
as
an
interested
party.
I'm
the
owner
of
the.
P
Interest
in
this
project,
because
it's
it's
in
my
backyard-
and
I
know
that
the
petitioner.
P
And
his
team
doug
and
jeff
fano
and
his
legal
counsel
know
that
I've
got
a.
P
I've
got
the
parking
spaces
to
the
south
and
I
have
a
for
the
terms
of
the
lease.
I've
got
a.
P
The
you
know
mechanically
how
you're
going
to
raise
a
portion
of
the
building.
P
That
would
how
that
would
play
out.
So
I
I
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
those
are.
P
Concerns
of
mine
and
make
you
aware
of
those
those
issues
and
and
my
thoughts
on
the
subject.
P
I
think
the
renderings
are
are
beautiful.
I
think
doug
bruce
does
good
design
work.
P
P
Doug
bruce
said
a
few
minutes
ago
that
they
learned
yesterday
that
sapp
was
recommending
that.
P
P
P
That
might
make
sense,
and
I
might
sell
that
and
have
all
this
redeveloped.
And
if
I
did,
I.
P
P
The
warehouse,
the
south
end
of
the
building
that
I
own
is
in
sad
shape.
It's
an
eyesore.
P
Your
time
has
expired,
mr
street,
if
you
could
just
wrap
it
up.
A
Jackie
who's
next
sure,
elizabeth,
you
should
be
able
to
unmute.
Oh.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
This
this
is
with
the
current
density
you're,
not
adding
100
units
of
toilets,
flushing.
Q
Units
to
handle
all
of
this-
I
think
this
is
far
too
dense
for
this
size
of
of
of
a
property.
A
R
R
R
R
R
B
Will
affect
those
easements?
He
is
with
the
warehouse,
so
he
just
wanted
to
make
sure.
B
Stage,
obviously,
we
don't
want
to
allow
a
plan
for
something
that
can't
you
know
can't
be
built.
B
T
Where
this
development
would
go
in
and
my
biggest
concern
well,
I
have
to
first
of
all.
T
I
want
to
thank
the
environmental
commission
and
mr
gunther
for
speaking
on
behalf
of
the.
T
Green
space
and
the
value
of
having
green
space
in
the
community.
T
As
we
deal
with
the
climate
crisis,
so
that
would
be
one
thing
that
I'm.
T
Very
hesitant
about
on
this
proposal,
even
with
80
percent
impervious
surface,
you
know
it's
better.
T
With
the
80,
so
in
that
respect,
I'm
not
in
favor
of
the
petition,
I'm
also
very
concerned
that.
T
T
Meeting
that
I
did
not
attend,
I
I
do
like
the
fact
that
we
we're
proposing
many
housing.
T
Units
here
I
think
it's
a
great
place
for
a
little
bit
more
density
of
housing,
but
I'm.
A
Again,
just
click
the
participants,
button
click
the
raise
hand
button.
If
you'd
like.
A
Okay
looks
like
that's
it,
so
we'll
come
back
to
the
commission
now
for.
A
Any
final
questions,
comments
or
emotion,.
D
Some
of
the
particulars
about
jefferson
shreves
comments
regarding
the
separating
the
buildings.
D
D
O
Times
last
fall
as
this
project
was
going
forward
and
what
I
assured
him
at
that
time,
and
so
I.
O
Study
right
now,
we
don't
have
an
approval
so
as
this
goes
forward,
what
I
assured
him
is
is
that.
O
O
O
Move
forward
with
it
and
structurally
I've
been
assured
from
our
structural
engineer,
that's.
R
Solves
anything
it's
going
to
require
some
coordination.
Obviously,
right
now
they
both
share.
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
Here
you
know
the
with
andrew's
comments
from
the
environmental
commission.
You
know.
O
Right
now,
if
you
look
at
this
site,
this
building
sits.
Basically
it's
a
hundred
percent
or
99.
O
So
when
this
building
that's
an
eyesore
sorry
tom
comes
down,
there'll
be
more
green
space.
There.
O
O
And
allow
semi
traffic.
There
were
some
issues
that
were
in
some
of
the
environmental
commission.
O
On
setbacks
and
again
I
brought
this
up
even
the
city's
own
massing
plan
early
on
again
notice.
O
O
That's
impervious
taking
over
all
of
this,
the
site
that
we're
proposing
to
build
on.
O
The
final
question
kind
of
that
I
picked
out
here
was
oh
and-
and
I
think
mr
wheel,
you.
O
To
work
with
those,
so
we
we
certainly
understand
that
the
final
one
was
dealing
with
traffic.
O
O
O
O
O
A
Thank
you,
jillian
was
that
I
I
think
there
may
be
one
more
about.
U
This
is
jeff
fagno.
We
submitted
water
and
sewer
plants
as
well
as
stormwater
drainage
plants.
U
Existing
lift
station
that
serves
the
southern
half
of
this
building,
we're.
K
And
I
know
I
mentioned
something
at
the
the
first
time
we
saw
the
petition.
K
Where
you
know
this
is
neighboring
apartment,
maybe
you
know
a
staple
to
our
community.
K
K
Start
looking
at
this,
because
this
is
quite
big
now
I'd
say
asking
that
question
of
how
many.
O
K
I
do
think
there's
a
lot
of
merit
to
this
project,
but
I
just
want
to
echo.
K
A
I
think
go
go
ahead,
israel
right
now,
I'm
I
wasn't
able
to
unmute
myself
so
yeah.
I
have.
I
I
have
a
question
regarding
what
mr
jefferson
strafes
or,
if
I'm
mispronouncing,.
I
And
the
changes,
because
mr
treif
you're
saying
that
the
renderings
might
be
some
kind
of.
I
I
A
the
first
conversation
that
it
took
place
regarding
the
project
changed
from
what
we.
I
Are
seeing
now
so
I
don't
know
if,
if
you
could
explain,
because
you
were
saying
that
there
might.
I
Be
some
example,
mr
strife
about
the
the
the
thing
with
the
renderings
that
there
are
some.
A
Let's
see
here
jefferson
recognize,
then
let
me
respond
to
yes,
my
my
my
comment
was
that.
P
P
Lot
in
in
someone's
handiwork
in
in
doug
bruce's
office,
the
renderings
don't
reflect
where.
P
Hillside
connects
through
the
renderings,
don't
reflect
the
the
the
multi-family
buildings.
I
Thank
you
and
my
second
question
regarding
the
first
conversation
and
the
changes
from.
I
Can
you
hear
me,
okay,
the
petitioner
came
to
us
a
little
over
a
year
ago
and
showed
us
townhouses.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Been
he
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
this,
so
I'm
sorry,
the
neighbors
are
very
much
against
it.
A
Thank
you,
israel.
Does
that
answer
your
question
right
and
I
don't
know
if,
if,
if
I
might
hear.
I
From
the
petitioner
regarding
that
conversation,
yes,
certainly
a
couple
of
things.
First,
I'll.
O
O
O
O
Before
you,
because
I
can
assure
you
that
they
are
and
that
they
will
be,
that
is
my
first
point.
O
To
scale
number
two,
the
so
again-
and
this
was
explained
last
month
as
well
as
far
as
how
the.
O
Large
complex,
that
was
of
taller
buildings
and
more
buildings
and
more
dense
than
we
have
today.
O
By
a
factor
of
seven
or
eight,
and
the
mayor's
comments
were
that
he
did
not
want
to
see.
O
Tall
buildings
next
to
the
park
and
didn't
he
did
not
want
to
have
this
at
all
and
as
a
matter.
O
O
We
were
showing
the
plan
that
you
see
now
that
the
the
january
2020
massive
plan
that
showed
tall.
O
Next
to
the
park-
and
they
had
a
bunch
of
reasons,
but
the
number
one
was
is
that
the
city.
O
We
had
we
had
a
utility
study
done
with
the
single
family
homes
that
bottom
family.
O
O
O
O
O
Your
path
or
not,
they
are
okay.
So
so
that's
the
process
that
we
are
today
so
so
that's
where.
O
For
quite
some
time
now
we
weren't
terribly
happy
with
it.
Either
it
wasn't
what
our
desire.
I
G
Brad,
I
have
a
question:
yeah
go
ahead,
eric
or
jackie.
Can
you
address
mr
shreves.
G
Comments
with
regard
to
the
renderings
versus
what
we
see
now
versus
what
we
might
get.
G
Sure,
and
what
what's
your
statement
about
that
yeah,
you
know
something
we
talk
about.
We.
B
Beauty,
so
it's
a
preliminary
plan
amendment.
Finally,
you
know
ultimately
decided
by
council.
B
Of
the
property
and
because
the
property
owner
was
so
far
down
the
line
with
design,
they.
B
Detail
but
basically
they
don't
have
to
build
these
exact
buildings
that
you're
seeing.
B
They
have
to
build
within
the
district
ordinance
that
they
presented,
that
matches.
B
The
buildings,
so
you
know
in
this
case
this
is
what
the
buildings
will
vary
like.
B
You
know
will
look
like
as
closely
as
as
they
can.
You
know
once
the
on-site
dimensions
are.
B
B
B
B
Vein
of
these
buildings
that
that
they're,
able
to
show
us
could
be
built
and
that's
what
we.
B
That
is
what
you
are
weighing
in
on
to
go
for
council
to.
Finally,
you
know
make
a
decision
on.
B
G
I
just
think
it's
worth
stating
today,
yes
for
sure
restating
that,
so
that.
G
G
G
B
You
know,
then
it
will
be
required.
Sometimes
this
is
hard
because
and
mike
ricker's.
B
B
We
there
is
an
expectation.
I
think
that
this
is
what
will
will
be
built,
but
I
think
technically.
B
G
Weeds
on
this
daily,
like
this
planning
commission
planning
staff,
is,
it
can
be
not
misleading,
but.
G
G
What
I'm
voting
on-
and
I
really
am
grateful
that
mr
sharif
stated
it
as
such
on
that
one.
G
Point,
although
I
acknowledge,
of
course,
their
lovely
drawings
and
to
scale,
I
think
it's
good.
G
For
us
to
keep
in
mind
that
what
you're
saying
is
that
it
wouldn't
look
exactly
like
that,
and.
A
B
B
B
So
then
you
will
see
that
development
plan
and
be
able
to
weigh
in
at
that
level.
It.
B
Is
important
to
lay
the
base
now
for
what
for
what
we
want
there
on
something
where
the.
B
E
E
Who
is
an
architect
no
longer
in
our
community
he's
now
in
chicago.
E
The
buffer
in
between
the
beeline,
which
is
a
very
exciting
development
in
our.
E
E
E
We
have
here
today,
which
you
know
the
staff
is
recommending
to
us
to
approve,
to
send
on.
E
To
the
council,
with
these
few
conditions,
so
I
myself
am
torn
with
what
we
have
before
us.
E
And
what
we
are
going
to
be
sending
on
to
the
city
council
to
the
land
use
committee.
E
To
to
further
vet,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
in
before
we
head
toward
a
motion.
Thank
you.
K
Jackie
was
stating,
I
guess
there
was
a
little.
A
A
Delegated
to
staff,
or
if
it
is
coming
back
to
the
final
plan,
would
come
back
to
the.
K
Developments
internally,
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
on
that
and
I
switched
my
mic.
A
Mr
kate
go
ahead.
I
just
want
to
quickly
react
to
mrs
ash's
comments
about
the.
H
H
Evolving
messages
and-
and
I
think,
a
fair
amount
of
urging
from
the
city
to
to
create
more
density.
H
H
The
existing
mcdonald
neighborhood,
who
should
be
able
to
use
it
fully
as
well
it's
their
park.
H
As
well,
so
I
did
when
I,
when
I've
seen
these
renderings
understanding
that
they
may
not
be.
H
That
that
building
did
worry
me.
I
appreciate
the
the
petitioner
responding
to
that
earlier.
H
By
saying
that
they
are
amenable
to
a
setback,
and
it
sounds
like
that
might
be
able
to
deal
with.
H
With
part
of
part
of
this
issue,
but
so
that
that
to
me
I'm
a
little
torn
on
this
too.
H
H
Background
and
my
own
upbringing
outside
of
indiana,
but
I've
lived
around
a
lot
of
places.
H
H
H
In
terms
of
the
commitment
to
a
neighborhood
usage
and
feel
for
the
park
so.
H
H
Responses
to
them-
and
it
sounds
to
me
like
if
we
set
the
standards
as
staff,
is
suggesting
we.
H
Built
with
what
we've
been
talking
about
here
today
in
mind,
so
that's
it.
Thank
you
any
other.
D
Is
being
used
for
currently,
which
is
pretty
much
a
hundred
percent
or
99
pervious,
surface
or
or.
D
Excellent
stewardship
by
the
environmental
commission,
so
I
by
no
means
want
to
suggest
that.
D
D
So
that's
my
main
concern
about
this
and
other
than
that.
I
think
we're
in
a
good
place.
D
Here
with
five
recommendations,
including
the
restated
number
two,
with
the
setback.
D
With
that
comment,
I
just
made
I'm
happy
to
make
a
motion
to
on
pud.
A
Okay
got
a
motion
in
a
sec
and
any
final
comment
before
we
call
the
roll
on
the
motion.
A
Okay,
jackie,
would
you
call
the
roll
please
great,
copper?
Yes,
st
john,
yes,
herrera.
A
On
to
our
second
petition
for
the
evening
this
is
case
0-2-3-20.
This
is
the
third
hearing
for.
A
And
I
believe
eric
once
again
is
going
to
present
the
case.
N
Thank
you
brad.
Yes,
as
you
mentioned,
this
is
a
request
from
bill
brown.
N
Zoned
as
a
planned
unit,
development
and
the
petitioner
is
requesting
to
rezone
this
property.
N
N
N
N
N
N
Districts
and
there
are
some
overlaps-
you
know
zoning
districts
within
the
mixed
use,
corridor.
N
N
N
What
the
comprehensive
plan
encourages
you
know
we're
also
encouraged
or
concerned.
N
N
This
particular
area
is
not
easy
to
get
to
by
members
within
the
community,
so
these.
N
The
uses
within
the
mixed
use
corridor
just
make
it
more
likely.
This
is
going
to
develop.
N
And
not
what
the
comprehensive
plane
wants
to
encourage.
You
know
the
site
is
adjacent
to.
N
Employment
uses,
it's
got
an
office
park
just
to
the
north.
More
office
uses
large-scale.
N
Office
uses
just
to
the
north
of
this,
so
we
are
still
recommending
denial
of
this
request,
based
on.
A
I
think
guys
so
mike
you
should
be
able
there.
You
go
okay,
mike
carmen,
representing
petitioner.
V
Bill
brown
several
comments.
First
of
all,
this
has
been
discussed
a
couple
times.
V
I
didn't
need
to
clarify
a
couple
points
made
the
past
I'd
like
to
address
eric's
comments
with.
V
Regard
to
the
comparison
of
uses
and
and
a
couple
new
points,
but
first
clarification
passed.
V
Mislead
or
mischaracterize
that
so
this
area,
this
pod
is
part
of
the.
What
is
originally.
V
Designated
as
the
fulton
pike,
pewd,
fulton
fight,
tif
district,
it
takes
this
87
acres
and.
V
V
V
V
V
Susan,
I
know
you
reacted
to
my
comments
last
time,
but
the
reality
is
that
the
tiff
money
and
the.
V
Reason
we
have
consolidated
this
district
because
it
allows
the
city
to
take
the
money
raised
in.
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
And
eric
talked
a
lot
about
restaurants
and
small
retail
uses
things
we
don't
want
to
see
here.
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
It's
just
it's
commercial,
it's
service
sector,
it
it's
supporting
services.
V
V
V
V
V
Eric
commented
a
couple
times
staff
report:
does
it
the
constant
reference
back
to
the
comp.
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
Ones
that
dovetails
exactly
what
what
I
would
say
would
suggest
were
susan
sandberg's
comments.
V
V
V
V
V
V
Your
approval,
this,
the
blended
mixed
use
that
the
emcee
allows
is
critical
to.
V
V
V
And
it
is
time
to
work
some
flexibility
into
this
so
brad.
I
have
a
couple.
V
Make
those
comments
to
take
two
minutes?
Three
minutes
the
most
after
we've
gone
through
all.
V
V
A
The
commission,
any
questions
from
commissioners
for
either
staff
or
for
the
petitioner.
H
Site
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
thought
I
saw
in
the
in
the
packet
in
the
report
was
a
reference.
H
H
Of
it
what
I
was
looking
at,
but
but
basically
that
that
type
of
use,
of
course,
I
can't
find.
H
N
N
Like
the
me
district,
the
mixed
use
of
employment
is
the
former
business
park.
Zoning
district.
N
Basically
combine
them,
you
know
we're
still
looking
at
and
discussing.
You
know
what
uses.
N
To
combine,
if
we
would
just
you
know,
mix
all
of
them
together
or
pick
a
little
bit
we're.
N
Still
working
on
that
we're
having
conversations
on
a
weekly
basis
on
that
particular
aspect,
so.
H
Okay,
then,
before
I,
I
guess
well,
if
you
can,
if
you
can
say
something
in
response
to
my.
H
Second
part,
then
that
would
be
helpful
too
about
what
the
basis
for
our
anticipating
a
use.
H
Employment,
but
but
what
what
are
our
hopes
and
and
dreams
premised
on
for
this
for
this
site.
H
Okay-
okay,
all
right
great,
then
then
I
will
wait
to
hear
and
eagerly
anticipate
what
the.
H
Bedc
has
to
say
about
what
we
should
expect
for
this,
so
thank
you.
Thanks
eric.
A
Thank
you
additional
questions
from
commissioners.
A
I
guess
I've
got
a
question,
I'm
assuming
that
at
some
point
between
the
last
meeting
in
this.
A
Try
to
decide
which
of
these
uses
were
going
to
be
omitted
by
the
proposed
deed
restriction.
I.
A
A
Appropriate
here
can
we
get
a
sense
of
what
those
specific
uses
that
are
on
which
there's.
N
Sure
contention
yeah,
so
so,
basically,
our
our
direction
or
kind
of
the
advice
that
we
gave.
N
N
That
we,
we
just
do
not
feel
that
this
should
be
rezoned
to
mix
use
corridor.
If
we
go
through.
N
District,
so
that's
you
know
it
wasn't
like.
Oh
this
one
specific
use,
you
know
it
was.
N
You
know
those
are
the
types
of
uses.
You
know
the
pet
grooming,
the
bars,
the
liquor
sales.
N
You
know
when
you
go
through
those
specific
uses.
Those
were
just
the
small
things
that
were.
N
Like
these
are
not
leading
to
an
employment
generating
use,
you
know
these
are
all
things.
N
That
we
just
don't
want
there
so
so,
just
to
be
honest,
there
was
not
really
a
a
discrepancy.
N
Between
what
they
wanted
and
we
wanted
more
or
less,
you
know
it's
more
just
a
philosophical.
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
A
dozen
in
that
email
back
to
me,
there's
no
discussion
about
small
retails.
It's
no
car.
V
W
W
That
is
not
accurate.
We
had
some
time
to
review
the
planning
statutes
in
the
interim,
so
this.
W
Is
not
the
end
of
those
negotiations,
necessarily
if,
if
they
don't
bear
any
fruit
at
this
point,.
A
Very
helpful
so
just
to
clarify
that
if
the
council
decided
they
wanted
to
see
additional.
A
Vehicle
impound
storage
as
a
permitted
use
they
could?
The
council
could
insist
that.
I
I
W
Which
the
city
council
doesn't
have
a
great
deal
of
authority
over
it's
a
little
bit.
A
G
G
So
I
understand
taking
the
mc
permitted
uses
and
crossing
crossing
some
off
and.
G
G
Or
you
just
get
I
mean,
is
that
even
helpful?
I'm
not
sure
I'm
following
you
exactly
because.
V
V
V
V
G
Think
significant
employment
is,
and
I
I
actually
would
ask
eric
that,
and
it
says
that
that.
G
G
Look
like
and-
and
I
do
like
commissioner
kate's
question-
is
it
a
bundle
of
a
bunch
of.
G
G
The
grouping
of
smaller
employers-
yes,
so,
as
you
pointed
out,
you
know,
there's
there's
nothing
that.
N
N
N
Can
get
a
bunch
of
4
000
square
foot
offices
in
there?
You
know
that
that
could
be
the
same.
N
N
N
N
You
could
have
somebody
big
that
could
come
in.
You
know
same
thing
with
like
a
school,
you
could.
N
But
the
mc
carries
with
it
a
lot
of
smaller
uses
that
are,
you
know
things
that
kind
of
move
into.
N
A
site
maybe
first
or
will
start
to
take
up
a
lot
of
that
land.
You
know
with
restaurants
or.
N
Larger
uses
could
come
in
like
a
hoosier
energy,
you
know,
or
a
southern
indian
medical
park.
N
That's
just
our
concern
is
these
smaller
uses
will
kind
of
take
that
space
up.
It's
not
that
that.
N
Use
in
and
of
itself
doesn't
have
employees
and
could
work
towards
making
everything
bigger.
N
G
As
a
final
question
eric,
can
you
remind
us
what
the
bed's
position
was?
Last
time
we
discussed
that.
N
Well,
I
think,
and
and
certainly
they're
here,
so
I
would.
I
would
rather
they
speak
for
them.
N
N
Is
not
getting
bigger,
you
know
the
thompson
pud.
N
N
E
Thank
you.
I
too
am
very
eager
to
hear
from
the
vedc,
because
I
am
hoping
that
we
can
come
to
some.
E
Sort
of
balance
and
flexibility
here,
because
speaking
to
mr
carmen's
premise
that.
E
E
About
the
the
the
tif
district
deficits,
so
again
I'm
hoping
we
can
strike
a
balance.
V
You
know
small
retail
less
than
what
I'll
say
the
less
desirable
potential
uses
in
in
there.
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
A
All
right,
you
will
go
to
public
comment,
then
again
as
a
reminder,
if
you
want
to
make
public.
A
Recognize
you,
I
believe
eric
will
recognize
you
when
it's
your
turn
to
speak.
Please
state.
A
A
X
Development
director
for
the
bedc-
and
I
wanted
to
make
some
comments
on
this.
You
know
at
the
last.
X
X
X
Bloomington,
as
that
point
has
been
made
making
it,
the
preservation
of
that
land
is,
is
very.
X
Important,
however,
employment
zones
must
include
other
amenities
to
to
truly
be
successful.
X
Let
me
give
you
a
couple
examples.
You
know
just
outside
of
that
area.
West
3rd
street.
You
know
we.
X
Retail
commercial
there
we
have
whitehall
crossing
behind
lowe's
to
circle
prosco
and
the
bedc.
You.
X
Really
make
a
good
ecosystem
for
our
regional
economy.
You
know
one
of
the
things
I
also.
X
X
X
X
Development
within
these
employments
and
so
and
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
of.
X
Course
you
know,
we
all
know
the
devastation.
That's
you
know
hit
our
restaurants,
tourism.
X
X
X
Indiana
economic
development
corporation
provided
33
of
those
and
on
average,
total.
X
Of
about
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet
and
they'll
bring
about
a
hund
on
now.
This
is
median.
X
Okay,
about
128
jobs
to
those
areas,
some
of
the
projects
that
we've
seen
there
were.
X
Just
a
small
snapshot
of
the
project
leads
and
everything
that
that
actually
came
into
us
and.
X
X
X
X
S
Let's
see
okay
well,
we
will
come
back
to
the
commission,
then,
and
I
think
it's
time
now
for.
E
And
so
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
emotion
we
can
craft
them
here.
Can
we.
E
E
E
Shopping
during
the
day,
and
so
I
I
have
been
convinced
that
we
need
to
maybe
do
a
better
job.
E
Good
jobs
with
good
paying
salaries
and
also
the
amenities
that
would
would
help
support
that.
E
E
Land
use
committee
actually
hear
this
and
maybe
do
some
additional
tweaking.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
susan
commissioner,
kate.
H
I
think
this
is
a
bit
of
a
follow-up
question
for
clark.
I
guess
if.
H
H
Looks
like
is:
does
it
look
at
all
like
collapsing,
those
two?
So
in
addition,
what.
H
X
X
Your
to
your
point,
the
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
the
question
well,
is
that.
X
X
Talk
with
site,
selectors
and
everything
is
that
they
look
at
it
from
a
from
an
area
standpoint.
X
X
These
employers
would
would
be
happy,
and
it's
not
a
single
myopic
view
of
saying.
Okay.
X
I
think
also
to
mr
carmen's
point:
there
are
some
costs
associated
with
that
development.
We.
X
Need
to
be
mindful
of
that
to
be
able
to
get
that
in
there
and
to
make
it
a
developable.
X
That
a
very
high
quality
place
for
employment.
I
think
those
are
going
to
be
key
things.
H
It
goes
back
to
a
little
bit
of
what
commissioner
st
john
was
asking.
You
know.
H
That
is
it
striking
out
more
things
from
the
mixed-use
corridor
and
what
is
the
flexibility
is.
H
It
collapsing
the
two
and
saying:
hey,
we
only
need
one
and
we
just
go
ahead
and
collapse
this
into.
H
You
know
sort
of
one
thing
and
let
the
market
sort
it.
I
mean
what
what
what
is
your
sense
of.
H
X
Know
if
I
have
a
complete
answer
on
that,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
that
is
important.
X
X
Kind
of
upload
into
the
mc,
I
think
that
would
be
a
beneficial
thing,
so
kind
of
combining
that.
X
X
Just
to
our
south,
you
know
is
gonna,
be
hiring
between
three
and
five
hundred
people
over
the.
X
X
How
are
these
employers
looking
for
to
treat
their
employees
and,
let's
face
it,
there's
a
lot.
X
There
that
we
can't
really
predict
right
now,
for
instance,
some
of
the
high
technology
businesses.
X
X
X
X
Think
again,
we
know
with
covid
and
everything
that's
going
on
with
that.
How
how
responsive.
X
A
Sorry,
commissioner,
st
john
yep,
sorry,
so
I
guess
my
question.
Well,
I
don't
know
if
it's
for.
G
G
G
G
G
E
Mix
between
the
mc
and
the
me
in
this
zone
to
allow
the
flexibility
that
I
think
what
I'm.
E
Hearing
from
the
bdc,
who
I
consider
the
experts
as
to
what
we
can
anticipate
as
what
is
good.
E
Employment
coming
our
way
in
the
near
future
that
that's
kind
of
what's
hanging
me
up
as
I.
X
X
X
X
Analyzing
that
data
both
on
size,
quantity,
median
wages,
all
some
of
the
key
factors
that
are
that.
X
How
many
of
those
traded
sectors
or
how
many
of
those
were
actually
traded
sectors
and
then.
X
With
we
did
a
feasibility
study
with
the
iu
public
policy
institute,
tom
babar
and
his
team
and.
X
Part
of
the
initiative
that
tom
undertook
for
us,
as
as
this
effort
was
that
he
put
together
what.
X
X
Is
there
is
to
kind
of
look
at
each
each
part
of
our
community
kind
of
on
an
individual
basis?.
X
X
X
X
X
X
With
the
traded
sectors
that
we're
currently
in,
which
is,
you
know,
advanced
manufacturing
life.
X
X
X
X
X
What
we
maybe
some
of
the
environmental
issues
or
concerns
that
we
may
have
and
maybe
have
good.
X
And,
at
the
same
time,
we're
seeing
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
some
of
the.
X
Changes
in
the
marketplace
as
far
as
what's
going
on
with
technology
and
some
of
the
things
you.
X
So
we
need
to
pay
close
attention
to
that
we're
working
closely
with
iu,
ivy
tech
to
also.
X
And
just
expansion
as
a
whole,
and
then
we
also
have
to
be
mindful
of
the
you
know
where.
X
Traded
sector
jobs
and
those
would
be
obviously
examples
of
catalan
is
certainly
a
good
example.
X
In
from
out
from
atlanta
there's
going
to
be
a
60
new
jobs
there
over
the
course
of
time,
so
we.
X
Do
have
examples
of
attraction
and
then
expansion.
Let's
look
at
kihi,
you
know
they
went
from
100.
X
60
people,
so
those
are
things
that
we're
trying
to
look
and
pay
attention
to
and
then
on
top
of.
X
X
X
X
X
E
E
Be
your
recommendation,
given
the
matter
that
is
before
us
tonight,
anything
that
could
help.
E
X
X
E
Had
any
suggestions?
Well
it
it's
a
it's
a
great
question
and
it's
certainly
a
challenge,
but
I.
X
X
Quality
of
place
within
these
employment
zones
and
how
the
the
commercial
side
contributes
to
that.
X
X
X
X
For
instance,
it's
the
mail
because
not
just
because
it's
in
the
the
mill,
but
it
because
of.
M
A
F
I
missed
much
of
your
presentation
mike,
so
if
this
is
a,
if
you,
if
you
say
to
this
once
before.
F
I
apologize,
but
when
I
look
at
the
two
zonings,
obviously
I
I
mean
I
think
I
stated
earlier.
F
I
still
would
like,
because
we
have
such
limited
space
out
there
for
light
manufacturing
just.
V
Let
me
be
brief:
you're
right
that
that's
a
loss
in
the
sense
of
the
light
manufacturing.
V
Jobs
would
be
a
loss
at
this
site,
given
the
zoning
classifications
of
the
two,
I
think
that
there.
V
Emc
zone
that
that
it's
a
trade-off,
you
know
I
I
do
take
exception
to
the
the
premise
that.
V
V
V
V
V
H
Would
be
to
approve
the
petition,
I
recommend
that
it
go
forward
to
the
city
council
with
a.
H
H
Is
that
would
be
one
thing,
deny
it
and
then
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
there
needs
to.
H
W
You
can
do
strikeouts,
you
can
change
things
if
you
want.
That's
your
that's
at
your
option.
H
H
H
With
an
approval
but
denial,
but
you
know
this
should
actually
be
allowed
to
I'm
not
by
the
way.
W
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
you
could
certainly
state
that
state
that
out
loud
and
that
would
I.
W
Think
come
through
to
the
to
the
city
council,
both
through
planned
commissioner
sandberg
and
also.
W
I
I
Level
since
we
don't
have
data,
you
know
all
day
all
the
conditions
to
approve
or
or
or
eliminate.
I
The
the
council
level
would
be
the
or
the
other
way,
instead
of
eliminating
things
that
we
are.
I
Not
able
to
do
in
the
plan
commission
would
it
be
the
other,
the
other
chance
or
possibility.
W
Describing
there
is
no
recommendation
in,
I
think,
but
I
also
don't
want
to
put
words.
I
We
haven't
voted,
but
I
I
was
just
exploring
the
other
possibility
of
of
giving
the
the
this.
I
Should
be
taken
in
a
deep
way
with
the
council
members
because
we
are
not
able
to
eliminate.
I
Or
or
decide
about
some
of
the
provisions
that
are
already
mentioned
in
this
in
the
petition.
W
A
I
might
I
might
offer
just
a
quick
thought
on
this.
A
That
the
council
will
be
inclined
to
introduce
additional
changes
or
restrictions.
I
think.
A
The
same
goes
for
if
we,
if
it's
forwarded
with
no
recommendation,
so
no
matter
what
happens.
It's.
A
A
The
same
way
that
they
presented
it
to
us
tonight,
which
is
and
raising
their
objections
so.
A
A
A
Lines
and
try
to
find
the
right
balance.
My
personal
opinion
is
that
that
that
might
be.
A
A
I
I
E
That
discussion,
it
will
likely
go
to
the
land
use
committee
first,
however,
and
that
is
for.
E
Council
members
who
serve
on
that
before
they
make
then
recommendations
to
the
council.
E
As
a
whole,
and
then
all
nine
of
us
of
course,
would
would
then
grapple
with
it
again.
I
E
Balance
and
flexibility
here
that
we,
as
the
plan
commission,
maybe
don't,
have
quite
the.
N
Council
that
summarizes
the
action
of
the
plan
commission,
so
in
that
I
will
put
in
there
that.
N
The
you
know,
whatever
the
plan
commission
decides
and
what
they
vote
tonight.
You
know
that
will.
N
Commission
discussed
on
this
petition,
you
know
and
as
well
council
member
sandberg
can.
N
A
D
D
That
discussion
and
I
understand
the
petitioner's
desire
to
move
this
as
a
you
know,
rezone
now.
D
D
D
D
D
D
Just
because
of
that
concern
and
what
that
might
suggest
so
that's
where
I
am
commissioner.
C
I
hear
what
commissioner
kinser
is
saying.
What
is
happening
here
is.
C
Perfect,
where
you
know
previously,
we
had
some
different
types
of
things
that
you
could.
C
Per
area
or
different
designations
or
or
combinations,
but
as
we
know,
the
world
is
not.
C
C
C
If
there
was
a
collaboration
between
the
city
and
the
owner
to
make
the
road
you
know
to
put.
C
C
With
all
that's
what,
with
all
that
said,
I
don't
think
we
are
the
the
place
to
decide
what
this.
C
To
designate
that
this
will
be
a
combined
mcne,
as
proposed
by
the
bdec.
C
We
can
move
it
forward
with
either.
I
I
don't
agree
to
to
move
it
with
a
negative.
C
Recommendation
because
then
it
this
discussion
stops
here.
C
Know
what
the
solution
is
unless
giving
up
everything
that
we've
done
for
the
udo.
C
C
Strongly
that
I
need
to
support
what
steph
is
saying,
so
that's
why
we're
all
in
this
limbo.
A
All
right,
commissioner,
copper,
I
want
to
say
I
I
largely
agree
with
commissioner
burrell
and.
L
That
I
guess
bottom
line
for
me.
Well,
I
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
necessarily
want
the
conversation.
L
Don't
think
it
necessarily
does
end
here.
I
think
that's
one
of
the
big
benefits
we
have
of.
L
Having
commission
or
sandberg
on
here
is
that
she
can
relay
that
to
her
council
members
and
even.
L
And
we
don't
have
you
know,
amendments
to
put
on
top
of
it.
Then
we
shouldn't
give
a
positive.
F
Oh
there
we
go
okay,
all
right
great.
I
really
appreciate
commissioners
whistlers
and.
F
Sandbergs
and
burrell
all
of
your
comments
and
copper,
my
thought
is:
I
would
want
to
create.
F
A
situation
where
there
was
robust
conversation
similar
to
what
commissioner
burrell
was
saying.
F
Negative
record
recommendation:
I
think
it's
going
to
create
that
atmosphere
and
it's
going
to.
F
More
robust
conversation
at
a
and
it
needs
more
discussion
to
expand
these
uses.
A
K
Position
here,
but
I
do
think
you
should
come
to
a
decision
in
here
regardless
what
this.
K
Commission
feels
like
their
position
is
that
you
voice
it
and
you
kind
of
see
what
the
votes
I.
K
Had
to
be
kind
of
split
in
a
way,
or
can
you
actually
make
a
recommendation
for
a
no.
K
A
Mr
ricker,
would
you
like
to
weigh
in
on
that?
I
think
we've.
A
Forwarded
things
with
no
recommendation
by
motion
in
the
past.
K
W
A
I'll
just
weigh
in-
and
I
you
know
as
chair,
I
try
not
to
be
the
one
making
motions.
A
What
needs
to
happen
here
is
is
is
some
negotiation.
It
seems
like
there's
consensus
that.
A
A
Negotiating
with
a
nine-member
body
is
very,
very
difficult.
I
think
how
many
members
are
there
on.
A
A
That
we
endorse
this
in
its
current
form,
but
frankly,
I'm
not
sure
we
have
to.
A
I
think
I
think
it
will
get
plenty
of
scrutiny
at
the
next
level,
regardless
of.
A
Our
recommendation,
so
I
would
just
encourage
my
colleagues
to
get
emotion
on
the
floor.
A
H
H
That
they
work
with
petitioner
on
I
find
and
with
staff
on
finding
common
ground,
and
I
would.
H
Suggest
adding
into
this
that
they
they
revisit
the
the
two
schedules
here
and
how
to
most.
H
H
These
two
schedules
as
they
exist.
I
don't
afford
the
flexibility
that
I
hear
we're
all.
A
What
the
the
motion
is
to
forward
with
no
recommendation,
I
I
will
be
sure
to
to
forward.
A
A
Can't
come
to
an
agreement,
that's
basically
what
that
says,
but
we
want
to
move
it
along
anyway.
A
A
A
A
Well,
we
have
done
it
moved
that
along,
and
that
is
the
final.
A
Case
for
tonight,
so
our
work
is
done
here.
Thank
you
to
everyone
for
your
patience
and.