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E
F
A
To
our
may
meeting
I'll
just
quickly
go
through
those
just
in
case
you're
here
for
those
and.
A
A
A
Petitions
do
we
have
minutes
to
be
approved.
I
believe
we
have
minutes
from
the
march
meeting.
A
Are
there
any
questions
or
corrections
to
the
minutes
from
the
march
14th
meeting
that
were.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all
in
favor
of
approving
the
march
14
minutes,
say
aye.
B
No,
we
do
not,
let
me
think
no,
we
do
not
have
any
reports
resolutions.
Sorry,
all
right,
any.
G
All
right
I
wanted
to
report
out
at
the
I
think,
helpful
suggestion
of
something
I
read
actually
in.
G
The
bloomington
beacon
asking
commissioners
and
members
of
council
to
actually
offer
reports.
G
G
G
G
G
April
8th
meeting
where
there
is
a
full
report
on
this
work,
so
that
will
be
my
report
from.
A
All
right
seeing
none,
we
will
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda.
As
I
mentioned,
there's
only
one.
A
Item
on
the
consent
agenda,
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
what
the
consent
agenda
is,
that's.
A
A
Petition
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
receive
a
a
full
hearing
tonight.
A
No
okay,
we
will,
I
think,
we'll
go
to
public
comment,
looks
like
we.
A
H
Has
a
a
severe
pedestrian
access
deficit,
its
only
access
is
by
a
sidewalk
on
third
street
and.
H
Not
actually
the
problem
with
it,
the
problem
is
third
street
drivers
come
in
and
out
of
that,.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
A
All
right
sing,
none.
We
are
back
to
the
commission
for
any
final
comment
or
a
motion.
I
I
J
Can
certainly
speak
to
that,
so
that
connection
actually
was
something
that
was
heavily
discussed.
J
That
separates
this
site.
Sahara
mart
from
the
edwards
street
right.
J
Away
so
there
is
another
property
that
is
not
owned
by
the
petitioners
that
separates
us.
J
J
That
the
petitioner
had
with
this
neighborhood
that
they
would
continue
to
pursue
that,
but
they.
I
And
if
I
may
follow
up-
and
that
is
unlikely
to
happen-
or
is
it
still
in
negotiations
or.
I
J
Impromptu
connection,
through
there
you
know
one
path
that
has
kind
of
just
happened
as
as.
J
J
J
Of
the
building
neighborhoods
generally
trying
to
be
protective
of
their
area
and
incorporating.
B
Roads
want
other
people
to
be
able
to
use
those
public
facilities,
isn't.
B
The
primary
concern
here-
it's
that,
like
mr
grulick
said
there
are
other
private
property.
B
G
A
A
We
miss
something
that's
going
on
on
the
the
thanks
for
the
online
version.
Thank
you.
K
There
we
go.
Oh
wait:
uh-oh,
maybe
not.
A
While
we're
working
on
getting
the
visuals
fixed
up
here,
I'll
just.
A
Just
remind
everyone:
how
we're
gonna
handle
public
comment,
we
will.
We
will
have
a
period.
A
Which
is
done
by
clicking
on
the
the
reactions
button
and
then
raising
your
hand.
A
I
know
it's
possible
to
comment
in
the
chat
on
the
meeting
at
any
time,
but
we
we
obviously
need.
A
A
Allow
for
an
additional
comment
here
out
of
out
of
order,
but.
A
L
Okay,
my
name
is
mary
rovat
h-r-o-v-a-t
and
I
live
a
few
blocks
from
the
property
where.
L
People
who
live
on
that
street,
I
don't
have
much
interest
in
whether
or
not
they
want
other.
L
L
To
the
7th
street
bike
lane,
if
they
want
to
so
I
just
wanted
to
second
everything.
L
A
A
M
I'll
just
say:
I
have
reservations
about
the
ped
pedestrian
access
to
this.
I
don't
see
a
way
that.
D
M
J
Yes,
thank
you
brad.
I'm
sorry,
commissioner
whistling
this
is
a
request
from
walnut.
J
Plank
development
for
a
property
at
311,
south
walnut
street
pike,
the
property
is
owned.
J
J
J
J
J
Of
the
required
second
hearing
and
they're
also
requesting
a
waiver
to
vacate
the
previously.
J
J
J
Is
the
existing
development
surrounding
this
site?
So
you
look
to
the
north
and
in
the.
J
East,
you
see
various
phases
of
the
sherwood
hill
subdivision.
They
were
all
planted
and
developed.
J
J
J
Northern
third
of
the
property
has
a
very
dense,
mature
tree
canopy
coverage
along
that
site.
J
J
J
J
Does
have
one
entrance
on
walnut
street
pike
that
does
result
in
a
cul-de-sac
being
created
on.
J
Aerial
photograph,
the
property
to
the
north
of
this
does
have
a
single
family
home
on
it.
J
J
J
J
J
J
A
lot
of
difficulty
with
arranging
lots
with
alleys
and
having
in
any
kind
of
internal.
J
Access
loop
that
would
allow
for
the
the
cul-de-sac
to
not
be
incorporated
with
this
site.
J
J
Information
presented
to
us
tonight
that
we
need,
in
order
to
analyze
the
the
site
plan
and
the.
J
Plan
so
the
petitioner
is
also
requesting
to
delegate
secondary
plan
approval
to
staff.
J
J
J
J
J
Will
be
vacated
and
then
we
are
also
recommending
a
waiver
to
allow
the
cul-de-sac.
J
Again,
for
the
reasons
that
I
that
I've
highlighted
and
overall,
we
are
recommending
approval.
J
In
a
kind
of
outline,
so
with
that
I
am
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you,
mr
grulick
is.
E
Good
evening,
commissioners,
I
believe
eric
did
a
wonderful
job
presenting
our
proposal.
O
J
No,
so
lots
nine
and
ten
are
set
aside
as
common
area.
They
would
be
specifically.
P
Thank
you,
and
I
I
brought
this
up
prior,
but
I
just
wanted
to
indicate
that
this
area,
where.
P
I
I
Protects
the
tree
canopy,
so
I'm
wondering
why
there's
a
stub
rope
there.
I
J
Road
stubs
that
gave
connection
opportunities,
so
our
transportation
plan
has
many
sections.
J
That
deal
with
promoting
connectivity
between
properties,
both
for
vehicles
and
pedestrians,.
J
The
past,
by
not
requiring
those
connections
having
more
than
one
opportunity
and
connection.
J
Into
and
out
of
a
property
is
advantageous
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
It
takes
the
traffic
burden.
J
North
gives
better
connection
opportunities
for
this
property,
as
well
as
the
property
to
the
north.
J
J
Features
so
there's
there's
no
impact
to
that
and
they've
placed
that
at
a
location
that
gives.
J
I
The
so
there's
no
karst
topography
under
the
stub.
J
The
cars
feature
just
to
the
west
of
that
it's
located
east
of
lot
eight.
So
it's
a
good
deal.
I
J
J
And
then
you
know
the
petitioner,
the
developers
is
essentially
done.
So
you
know
we
can't
really.
J
Use
that
for
a
driveway
and
a
connection,
but
no
the
the
people
within
this
development.
J
Connectivity
as
well
as
bicycles,
so
it
would
be
used
for
that
property
of
the
north,
certainly.
J
J
Will
develop?
You
know
this
property
here
is
sat
here
for
a
long
time
and
is
developing
now
you.
J
Stubs
now,
then,
we're
going
to
be
living
with
those
mistakes.
When
we
look
at
that
property
to.
J
I
Okay,
thanks
for
your
response,
mr
whistler,
if
I
may
ask
well,
I
don't
know
if
I
identified
myself.
B
B
Code
requirement
for
decades,
I'd
say
at
least
since
2007..
If
you
know
it's
included
because.
B
B
G
J
You
know
this
this.
This
property
here
does
not
have
opportunities
to
connect
to
anything
else.
G
G
J
Cul-De-Sac
that
was
shown
so
the
previous
overall
plan
for
this
development
had.
J
Think
it's
also
significant
to
show
or
state
that
there
are
several
developments
throughout.
J
Exercise
that
really
never
comes
to
fruition
this
this
does
actually
work
and
is
a
good
idea.
G
That
plat
will
correct
a
cul-de-sac
that
was
part
of
the
previous
platted
space.
B
Of
right-of-way
or
the
portion
of
the
previous
plat
that
dedicated.
B
R
Seven
just
for
everybody's
clarity,
I
think
the
previous
secondary
plat
or
final
plat
dedicated.
R
For
our
memory-
yes,
that
is
correct,
okay,
cool
and
then
and
then
my
my
other
question
is
maybe.
R
E
Yes,
commissioner,
bill
rigert
again
on
behalf
of
walnut
pike
development.
I
believe
they
are
anxious.
E
E
E
I
A
car
going
directly
into
the
property
owner's
backyard.
I
At
this
point
yeah,
I
believe
that
that's
within
our
our
purview,
I
would.
A
That
is
the
the
rule
that
is,
that
is
the
law
that
it.
K
A
A
S
S
Mean
it
creates
now,
I
think
eric
said
you
know
there
can
be
signage.
There's
can
be
some.
S
S
S
Is
concerned
or
impose
some
sort
of
change
there.
A
S
In
the
situation
how
it
was
handled,
that
would
be
great,
so
our
so
the
unified
development.
J
Ordinance
does
have
language
for
bonds
for
public
improvement
bonds
and
has
a
three
year.
J
Time
limit
on
them,
so
after
that
time
limit
is
up,
we
are
supposed
to
call
in
the
bond.
J
And
build
whatever
public
improvements
are
bonded
for,
so
that
we're
not
continuing
to
holding
on.
J
J
Money
in
perpetuity,
so
that
is
why
we
have
very
specific
time
limits
for
these
public
improvement.
J
Bonds,
so
they
would
have
to
build
the
road
or
bond
for
it,
but
after
that
three
years
we.
J
Would
have
the
ability
and
should
be
calling
it
in
and
the
udo
says
that
you
know
that
three
year.
J
B
There
there
are
some
concerns
with
sub
streets;
they
don't
need
anywhere
right
now,
we'll.
B
You
know
who's,
maintaining
them
who's,
snow
removal,
those
types
of
things,
so
we
have.
B
B
B
B
An
approval
at
that
time
we
are
not
sure
we
don't
think
that's
possible.
So
if
we
want
those.
B
B
Lion's
share
of
the
of
the
benefit
of
this
development,
and
so
they
need
to
be
putting
in
as.
B
S
Thinking
so,
if
we're
going
to
do
a
waiver,
I
mean
this
is
it's
more
involved
than
just.
S
There's
much
more
involved
to
this
than
just
something
that
would
be
make
a
neighbor.
A
All
right,
I
might
follow
up
on
that,
just
for
staff
could
can
you
recall.
A
B
You
know
we
don't
do
the
downtown
development
waivers
anymore
eric.
Can
you
think
of
something.
A
I've
got
oh
go
ahead,
commissioner.
Cochran.
O
O
North
of
north
of
this
site,
or
would
they
rather
not
build
this
road?
I
just
out
of
curiosity.
E
Hi
it's
phil
rigert.
If,
if
I'm
allowed
to
speak
also
matt
is
on
he's,
got
his
hand.
E
And
wanted
to
keep
it
simple
to
the
development
itself
and
then
eric
pointed
out
all
the.
Q
Everything
that
bill
said
it
is
not
something
that
we
wanted
to
do,
but
we
realized
that
we.
A
P
A
safety
component
to
have
two
points
of
ingress
and
egress
is
very
beneficial.
P
Especially
you
know
if
one
of
the
first
couple
addresses
you
know
had
a
situation
where
we.
P
Need
first
responders
a
fire
truck
and
stuff,
and
then
everyone
else
is
bottlenecked
into.
P
There,
so
I
think
a
safety
standpoint
is
a
very
important
with
the
two
points
of
ingress
and.
P
Egress
also
just
being
very
familiar
with
this
area.
It's
just
kind
of
a
couple
blocks
down
to.
P
The
municipal
boundary
to
where
you
get
to
the
county
and
yeah
it's
in
dire
need
of
connectivity.
P
P
So
it's
an
interesting
area
and
also,
I
think,
walnut
street
pike
right.
There
is.
P
It'd
be
nice
to
have
two
ways
to
getting
in
and
out
just
just.
A
I've
got
one
more:
if
eric,
would
you
mind,
sharing
your
screen
and
showing
the.
J
Given
that
it
would
be
stubbing
into
common
area
that
isn't
developable,
I
would
say
no,
we
would.
A
A
To
you
know
to
to
winslow
or
all
the
way
to
sherwood
oaks
park
without
having
to
touch
walnut.
J
J
J
Of
these
adjacent
properties,
as
well
as
the
properties
to
the
south
or
east,
you
know
there.
J
Could
be
some
pedestrian
connection
opportunities
there,
but
no,
you
know
as
you
as
you
certainly.
A
J
J
Have
general
layouts
of
the
major
thoroughfares
through
town,
you
know,
especially
as
those
go.
J
J
J
J
J
Farm
over
on
the
east
side
of
town-
so
that
is,
that
is
a
large
property
that
is
currently
vacant.
J
J
J
Best
management
practices
when
petitions
come
forward
for
development,
so
you
look
at.
J
J
You
know,
as
you
look
around
here,
you
know
you
see
that
things
just
get
picked
over
again.
J
So
there
will
be
those
decisions
and
those
will
be
opportunities
in
the
future
and
and,
like
I
said.
J
And
we'll
just
keep
saying
you
know
you
have
to
plan
for
it
now.
You
know
that
is
one
of
the.
J
Basic
fundamental
principles
of
planning
is
plan
for
the
future
and
get
those
opportunities.
J
A
Okay,
we
will
then
go
to
public
comment.
If
you
are
here
to
make
public
comment,
please
make.
A
A
T
Name
is
ben
ramsden,
my
spouse
einarpuse
and
I
are
the
co-owners
of
3051
south
walnut
street
pike.
T
Which
is
immediately
north
of
the
the
plaiting
petitioned
property
we're
talking
about
tonight.
T
T
T
T
T
That
property,
when
it
redevelops
end
of
quote
and
our
commissioners
regarding
the.
T
It's
just
a
small
sample,
we
have,
we
live
in
a
1921
art,
deco
style
home.
That's
been.
T
Extensively
renovated,
including
a
high
quality
addition
custom
edition,
with
major
landscaping.
T
T
T
T
There's
also
a
mini
cast
limestone
cast
part
of
my
accent,
features
on
the
property
that.
T
T
Property-
and
this
I
would
expect,
would
remain
intact,
given
its
value
and
historic
value.
T
T
T
Concerns
end
of
quote:
we
were
sent
a
letter
about
tonight's
hearing,
which
is
due
process,
but
all.
T
T
Cooper,
james,
that
is
not
our
address.
We
are
not
against
neighbouring
developments
in
principle,.
T
T
T
Traffic,
as
was
mentioned
back
to
the
same
road
already
use
egress
for
the
development.
H
Hi
I'm
greg
alexander
again.
I
I'm
really
glad
to
see
this
body
and
also
city
staff.
H
H
H
H
Nothing
a
kid
can
walk
it.
It's
about
going
on
a
mile
on
a
highway
to
actually
make
that
trip.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
They
don't
clear
the
sidewalk,
it's
the
worst
lot
in
this
on
my
block
in
terms
of.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
A
I
believe
that
is
all
of
our
in
person.
Oh,
maybe
one
more.
U
And
I
the
spouse
of
ben
ramsen.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
about
that
comment
in
the
chat.
A
Do
we
have
any
hands
raised
for
online
comment?
We
do
oh
sorry,
greg's
time,
let's
see
matt's.
N
As
well
as
a
couple
of
concerns,
I
have
first
as
far
as
connecting
in
through.
N
The
the
adjacent
property
and
safety,
what
wasn't
mentioned
with
the
multiple.
N
Times
of
this
property
is
tried
to
be
developed,
is
that
there
were
also
multiple
attempts.
N
To
develop
this
property
that
were
denied
by
the
planning
commission
for
multi-family
residents,.
N
Second,
with
that
cul-de-sac,
at
the
very
end
of
the
property
we
I
heard,
concerns
a.
N
Little
bit
ago,
of
somebody
driving
down
the
spur
road
into
the
back
of
a
property.
N
That
cul-de-sac
ends
in
my
neighbor's
backyard.
If
somebody
misses
the
breaks
they're
driving
into.
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
Due
to
the
rules
in
the
udo,
it
just
seems
like
it
could
be
a
problem
there,
so
I,
I
guess.
N
All
the
properties
around
which,
if
you
look
on
the
gis,
jeffrey
jones,
the
current
owner
of.
N
90S
when
the
original
development
was
done,
but
I
have
to
question
why
there
were
no
spurs.
C
Stated
in
the
last.
C
People
from
pepper
grass
have
been
involved
and
have
shared
concerns,
so
I
just
want
to.
C
You
can
see
the
pepper
grass
on
the
yes
that
one
in
terms
of
drainage
runoff,
especially.
C
During
construction
and
will
there
be
any
kind
of
buffer
zone
and
if
so,
in
what.
C
Manner
between
the
south
side
of
this
area
and
well
speaking
personally
from
pepper
grass.
C
You
can
see
my
name
there
on
there.
I
will
butt
right
up
to
it
so
and
that
property
is
higher
than.
A
We're
not
able
to
hear
you
very
clearly
yeah.
We
can't
hear
you
you'll
have
to
be
closer
to
the.
F
I
am
concerned
about
where
the
drainage-
and
I
I
was
on
zoom
meeting
during
neighborhood.
F
Meeting
and
I
thought
mr
rigger
handled
it
well,
but
besides
that,
I
think.
F
B
A
We'll
give
just
one
more
moment
here
to
make
sure
we
got
gave
everyone
a
chance.
A
Okay,
we
are
now
back
to
the
commission
for
any
additional
questions,
comments
or
a
motion.
G
Questions
that
we
heard
raised
by
the
public
who
commented
on
this
property
and
just
to
raise.
G
J
J
J
Careful
of
any
major
physical
impediments
that
we
would
put
to
you
know
prevent
a
car.
J
In
terms
of
the
the
runoff
you
know
this
site
drains
from
north
to
south,
and
so.
J
Right
now,
in
its
current
state,
you
know
the
runoff
just
happens.
You
know
unobstructed.
J
And
then
transition
to
the
west,
so
the
the
drainage,
the
that
she
was
referencing.
J
Along
the
backsides
of
lots,
25
24,
23
and
22,
the
petitioner
at
the
the
neighborhood
meeting.
J
J
And
then,
in
regards
to
the
exhale
decel
lanes,
that
is
something
that
the
city.
J
And
the
engineering
department,
that
is
a
practice
that
we
are
no
longer
in
favor
of
and.
J
Are
actually
working
to
remove
those
in
several
situations
around
the
city?
You
know
they
create.
J
J
A
Any
other
additional
questions
or
comments,
I
think
raised
his
hand
as
well
to
be
able.
B
To
address
those
questions,
oh
yes,
please
go
ahead
thanks,
jack
yeah,
so,
in
addition
to.
E
E
Best
management
practices
for
erosion
control
and
that
would
include
silk
fence
or
filter
socks.
E
Be
reviewing
both
hand-in-hand
with
drainage,
so
hopefully
we've
got
it
all
all
addressed
and
and.
A
A
number
of
options
before
us
that
are
possible
here,
just
as
a.
I
The
motion
it
conforms
to
sending
it
to
a
second
hearing.
A
That
we
continue
this
to
a
second
hearing
or
continue
this
to
a
second
hearing
at
the.
B
A
A
So
then
we
are
on
back
to
the
commission
for
another
motion.
A
R
R
R
Yeah
sure
so
I
think
two
hearings
are
prescribed
for
our
larger
petitions,
so
I.
B
Would
say
that
historically,
primary
plats
are
of
some
size.
So
when
you
look
at
the
surrounding.
B
Subdivisions
to
this
one
typically
much
larger
than
this
one,
and
so
I
think,
containing
lots
of.
B
Also,
a
lot
of
detail
and
questions
and
beginning
puds.
Those
are
all
by
rule
required.
B
Mention
are
exempted
in
the
in
the
rules
of
procedures,
so
site
plans
can
go
for
one
hearing
or.
B
B
B
A
Maybe
I'll
ask
another
another
question:
while
commissioners
are
gathering
their
thoughts,
eric.
A
Could
you
comment
on
why
why
staff
believe
that
the
cul-de-sac
to
the
east
is
acceptable
while.
A
J
There's
just
not
a
location
or
an
opportunity
to
connect
something
to
you
know
if
there
is.
J
Anything
any
gap
in
a
property
line
that
indicated
an
access
easement.
You
know
or
a
lot
that
you.
J
Know
maybe
was
going
to
be
redeveloped
in
some
manner,
then
we
would
absolutely
be
stubbing
it
to.
J
Got
buildings
that
are
separating
between
the
the
build
between
the
roads
and
this
property.
J
Likewise,
to
the
sherwood
oaks,
you've
got
houses
on
every
single
lot.
You
know.
J
Are
no
opportunities,
so
that
is
something
that
we
look
at,
and
this
is
not
something.
J
Back
in
2007,
when
this
petition
originally
came
forward
were
appropriate
road
connections.
J
A
Moment
they're
they're
only
necessary
as
future
development
or
redevelopment
occurs,.
J
Sure
so
you
know
the
parcel
to
the
north.
You
know
it's
about
eight
acres
in
size.
J
Have
stated
they
put
a
lot
of
time
and
money
into
that
property
and-
and
they
plan
to
be.
J
There
for
a
while,
however,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
you
know
we
are.
We
are
planning
for.
J
J
J
Redeveloped
in
the
next
150
years,
certainly
as
the
planning
commission
feels
that
there
would.
A
B
It
will,
I
think,
for
us
when
we're
looking
at
potential
future
development,
so
the
property
to.
B
It
does
have
that's
okay,
just
it
does
have
a
beautiful
home
on
it.
Where
one
you
know,
family.
B
Is
defined
by
code
get
is
using
this
for
half
acres
and
that's
great,
but
for
us
it's
more.
B
B
Than
the
property
to
the
east,
and
that's
why
we
are
suggesting
the
stub
to
the
north
and
allowing.
A
B
A
M
Develop
the
developers
gone
by
the
the
letter
of
the
law
here
by
which
the
udo
has
required
them.
M
They've
done
everything
there,
and
this
is
something
to
me
that
says
if
a
developer
is.
M
M
M
Point
if
we
zoom
out
from
that
in
the
macro,
I
really
feel
like
you
know.
That
is
a
very
well.
A
O
Motion
so,
mr
mr
ramsey,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here,
you
have
a
beautiful
home.
O
And
I
love
what
you
that?
What
you've
done
with
your
home-
and
I
hope
you.
O
O
You
know
a
road
to
for
future
development
today,
knowing
that
the
homeowners
that.
O
Later,
but
I
do
agree
with
ms
scanlon
and
and
the
thoughts
and
of
we
do
need
future
housing.
O
Again,
the
thought
of
this
going
unused
for
50
years
bothers
me.
I
hope
that's
not
the
case,
but.
O
I
do
I
do
think
that
you
know
your
site
does
have
potential
for
future
development.
A
Back
and
forth
with
the
with
the
audience
here.
But
if
you
want
to
just
quickly
make
comment.
A
Come
to
the
to
the
microphone
to
do
so,
so
we
can
hear
what
you're
saying.
So,
let
me
just
say.
U
O
Well,
the
thought
was-
and
I
was
where
I
was
headed-
was
to
actually
make
a
motion.
I
could
make
a
motion
and
we
could
discuss
it
so
so
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion.
O
For
approval
of
of
tp
o8
22
with
the
six
conditions,
as
recommended
by.
A
Your
motion
is
to
include
all
seven
of
these
conditions
absolutely
and
then
I
would
like.
A
To
approve
dp0822
to
excuse
me
to
adopt
the
proposed
findings
and
approve
the
the
primary
plat.
A
And
to
approve
the
waiver
of
second
hearing,
along
with
the
seven
conditions,
as.
B
A
Is
there
any
discussion
any
comments
on
the
motion
to
approve?
I
have
one
question
that
might.
G
J
Yep,
so
absolutely
that's
a
good
question,
so
the
easement
no
really
doesn't
solve
the
problem
of.
J
The
road
connection
being
required
to
be
built
so
with
this
development,
this
would
be
a.
J
Public
road
running
through
here,
the
law,
the
the
property
to
the
north,
that
is,
is
very
likely.
J
To
be
redeveloped,
hopefully
sometime
in
the
next
50
years
or
whatever
you
know,
would
also
have
a.
J
Public
road
running
through
there,
so
we
don't
like
to
have
private
roads
joining
together.
Two.
R
Recognizing
maintenance
potential
impacts,
I
think,
just
as
a
result
of
those
conversations.
R
R
Situation
where
the
city
does
not
need
to
front
those
costs
have
been
raised
by
other
questions
by.
I
I
So
it's
kind
of
like
okay,
it
would
be
a
you
know,
a
compromise
to
a
human.
I
I
But
it,
but
it
is
really
important
for
us
to
respond
to
our
citizens
and
just.
I
So
I
really
appreciate
mr
gerlick
and
ms
scanlon's
opinions
and
all
our.
A
Pretty
difficult
situation
you
know
we
I
wholeheartedly
agree
that
we
need
to
have
these.
A
Stub
roads
for
future
connectivity
and
we,
you
can
see
all
over
the
place
that
we're
paying
for.
A
Developments
coming
before
us
that
have
no
way
to
connect
to
the
existing
road
system
and.
A
A
Same
road
and
that's
what
causes
congestion
if
you've
got
multiple
ways
to
get
to
a
destination.
A
Then
then,
the
traffic
is
absorbed
into
into
the
the
grid,
and
so
this
is.
This
is
long-term.
A
For
the
future,
not
just
dealing
with
what's
on
the
ground
today,
that
being
said,
you
know.
A
A
A
There
there
is
a
compromise
that
is
possible,
it's
just
not
possible
within
the
the
current.
A
A
Create
a
mechanism
to
fix
this
in
the
future,
and
I
would
also
just.
A
Petitioner
has
followed
the
letter
of
the
law
and
to
no
fault
of
the
petitioner,
but
I
I
don't.
A
Probably
to
us
as
a
commission
as
to
what
we
say
meets
that
requirement
for.
A
A
Connectivity
in
this
in
this
slide,
so
it
is
the
discretion
of
staff.
The
staff's
opinion.
A
A
A
Disagree
with
that,
even
though
I
don't
disagree
at
all
that
the
the
principle
of
this
is
correct.
A
And
that
we
need
to
require
these,
we
we
can't
just.
We
can't
say
that,
because
the
neighboring.
A
Properties
didn't
create
opportunities
for
connectivity.
That's
a
reason
to
not
do
it
here.
A
The
only
reason,
I'm
not
sure
we
need
to
do
it,
I'm
not
saying
we.
I
think
we
need
to
do
it.
A
A
A
Where,
clearly
to
the
east,
there's
more
useful
connections
to
the
north
at.
A
Agree
that,
as
a
matter
of
principle,
we
need
to
be
requiring
these
these
kinds
of
of
stubs,
so.
A
J
Street
the
property
is
owned,
mixed-use
corridor
and
the
petitioners
are
here
tonight
to
request.
J
With
103
dwelling
units,
so
this
site
might
seem
familiar
to
the
plan
commission,
as
you.
J
That
with
multi-family
units
so
to
the
east
of
this,
you
have
multi-family
zoning
with
a
series.
J
Of
multi-family
buildings,
some
duplexes
some
apartment
buildings
to
the
north
of
this,
you.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
A
B
V
J
Believe
five
spaces
are
required
and
those
would
be
shown
on
the
site
plan
with
the.
J
Grading
permit,
I
think,
they've
identified
where
those
will
be
going,
although
they're
not
shown.
S
My
question
is:
what
is
the
ratio
of
you
know?
Electric
car
stations
to.
S
Residents,
I
guess
I
think
it's
one
for
every
25
vehicular.
S
It
seems
low,
that's
why
I'm
asking
yes,
it
meets
the
udo
requirement
for
the
electric
vehicle.
J
Charging
stations
yeah-
it
is
one
parking
space
for
every
25
parking
space
provided
on
site.
G
J
Yeah
so
the
the
discussion
that
we
had
with
the
autism
therapy
school
was
mostly
in
relation
to.
J
J
G
J
J
The
parking
completely
all
the
way
behind
the
building
and
they've
got
a
pretty
good
length.
G
B
P
Look
at
the
storm
water
and
the
drainage
from
this
site
plan
from
the
previous
site
plan
and.
P
I'm
assuming
that
they're
complying
with
everything
but.
P
It
it's
a
little
difficult
to
follow,
so
I
guess
just
bear
with
me.
P
Kind
of
the
added
impervious
surface,
with
kind
of
the
release
rate,
because
I'm
following.
J
P
J
And
I'll
just
certainly
point
out
that
this
is
required
to
have
a
minimum.
J
So
building
number
four
is
the
the
eastern.
J
Building
here
and
I'll
just
kind
of
circle
that
for
you,
so
this
is
building
four.
J
J
A
long
narrow,
hallway
area,
and
so
I
was
just
concerned
that
they
will
have
because
you're.
J
J
D
Is
that
for
three
bikes?
Yes,
yes,
so
the
long-term
bike
parking
requires
one-fourth.
J
Out
of
the
you
know,
total
number
of
bicycle
spaces
that
they
are
required.
They've
got
to.
V
And
we
we
we
have,
we
believe
we
have
the
space
there
for
that
eric,
but
we
will.
We
will.
V
D
B
D
J
To
bond
for
that
improvement,
so
that'll
either
happen
within.
J
The
the
three-year
time
period
that
we
have
for
public
improvement,
bonds
or.
J
A
All
right
sing:
now
we
will
go
to
public
comment.
O
Area,
I
would
have
not
have
chosen
multi-family,
however,
the
more
I
think
about
it
and
I
see
its.
O
Location
in
relation
to
crane
and
on
the
south
side
and
our
dire
need
for
more
housing
in
this.
O
In
this
community,
the
more
I
like
it,
so
I
I
will
support
this.
G
Six
conditions
with
the
one
correction
to
yeah:
oh
my
gosh
eric
already
made
the.
A
A
All
right
I'll
just
say
I
agree
with
commissioner
cockrum.
I
would
not
have.
A
A
Walnut
this
could
be
a
very
great
development
if
we
don't
create
that
connectivity.
This.
A
This
could
just
add
to
congestion
on
south
walnut,
so
I'm
I'm
happy
to.
A
All
right,
darla,
we
please
call
the
roll
on
the
motion
to
approve
sp
1522.
S
S
Smith,
yes
and
cockroam
yes
and
herrera
didn't
show
rarest
is
not
is
not
here.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you
that
motion
passes,
and
that
is
the
final
item
on
our
agenda
this
evening.
So.