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A
One
major
petition
that
we'll
have
a
full
hearing
and
a
consent
agenda
tonight,
we'll.
A
A
A
Aye
aye
any
opposed,
say,
nay,
okay,
those
minutes
are
approved,
we'll
move
on
now
to
reports.
A
Resolutions
and
communications-
I
know
we
have
at
least
one
resolution
from
staff.
B
Some
of
you
have
already
seen
this,
mr
rooker,
I
believe,
is
on
as
well.
If
you
have
questions
but.
B
We
are
going
to
go
over
the
fee
schedule
again
and
re-vote,
so
it
has
something
to
do
with
the.
B
Statutory
requirements-
and
we
just
are
re-seeing
this
this
month-.
B
So
we
are
proposing
to
update
fees
and
the
memo
that
you
received
indicated
that
the.
B
Last
time
we
holy
updated
fees
was,
I
believe,
in
2013.
and
the
most
recently
it
was
updated.
B
For
petitioners,
based
on
the
terminology
in
the
in
the
udo
and
in
our
administrative
manual.
B
Are
permits
that
are
administered
by
the
engineering
department
now,
after
we
split
and
so.
B
B
Dwelling
unit
and
then
we
for
additions
again,
the
tack
on
the
25
is
for
new
dwelling
units.
Only.
B
I
do
am
now
recalling
that
potentially
commissioner,
saint
john
found
a
typo.
B
That
I
know
what
it
is,
but
I'm
going
to
check
quickly.
Yes,
it
is
that
preliminary
and.
B
So
sorry,
I
forgot
to
catch
that
again
before
we
put
before
we
put
this
back
in.
B
A
Commissioner
cocker
so
jackie,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
got
my
email
but
and
I
might
have
asked.
E
This
question
last
time,
but
but
do
we
know
what
our
total
annual
dollar
amount
that
we
bring.
E
B
A
B
B
B
B
I
don't
have
any
if
you
are
in
the
zoom
and
you
would
like
to
comment.
You
can
send
me
a
message.
A
Back
to
the
council
is
this
something
that
we
need
to
take
a
specific
action
on.
A
This
we
just
need
to.
We
just
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
fee
schedule
as
as
provided
in
the
in.
A
The
packet
with
the
one
amendment
changing
from
a
thousand
to
eight
hundred
all
right.
A
Go
ahead
so,
after
this
vote,
what
happens
to
this?
Is
it
done
or
does
it
go
to
council.
E
B
But
yes,
I
believe
that's
accurate
yeah,
michael
rooker
city
attorney.
I
would
jump.
A
All
right
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
regarding
the
fee
schedule.
C
Figure
out
if
we
are
charging,
if
the
city
is
charging
way
too
little
and
to
align
that
with.
C
Of
conducting
this
activity,
so
thank
you
for
doing
that.
So
I
will
motion
approval.
C
Of
the
planning
and
transportation
fee
schedule,
as
presented
with
the
change
that.
C
The
plat
and
plat
amendment
preliminary
and
final
is
eight
hundred
dollars,
plus
a
thousand.
C
H
H
C
E
E
E
A
Instead
of
just
the
people
who
are
using
the
service,
so
while
it's
it's
never
fun.
A
I'd
much
rather
see
us,
you
know,
right-sizing
our
fees
than
having
to
raise
taxes
to
to
cover.
A
Costs
of
something
that
is
a
very
specific
use
by
a
very
specific
set
of
users,
so
so
I'll.
A
Reluctantly
support
it
any
other
comments
all
right.
I
think
we're
ready
to
call
the
roll.
D
D
A
A
3070
south
walnut:
that's
a
request
for
major
site
plan;
approval
to
construct
a
nine
building.
A
A
A
J
Characterize
the
it
says,
amendment
to
the
district,
ordinance
and
preliminary
plan
for
an.
J
Approved
pd,
can
you
just
characterize
that
so
that
I
make
sure
I
am.
I
recall
what
that
is.
B
Yeah,
I
think
I'll.
Let
mr
grulick
do
that
if
you're
there
eric
yep,
so
commissioner
smith.
F
As
you
recall,
this
went
to
the
council
two
three
weeks
ago
for
them
to
either
approve
or.
F
To
allow
for
these
two
long,
skinny
lots
on
each
respective
road
frontage
to
allow
for
signage
and.
F
F
F
F
Aspects
and
the
council
denied
that
the
plan
commission
has
to
ratify
the
action
of.
F
A
All
right,
so
I
guess
we're
back
to
the
commission
for
a
motion
on
the
consent
agenda.
A
Have
a
motion
in
a
second
on
approving
the
consent
agenda?
Would
you
please
call
the
roll.
F
Yes,
I
think
so
sorry
give
me
just
a
second
trying
to
sure,
while
eric's.
F
Time
stalling
there,
so
yes,
as
mentioned
this,
is
a
request
from
mhd
apartments
for.
F
F
F
F
Sidewalk
and
tree
plot
along
the
road,
so
with
this,
that
would
be
this
road
is
designated
as.
F
F
F
Is
single
family
so
that
requires
that
to
be
planted
with
trees,
every
30
feet
and
then.
F
With
this
petition,
the
rm
zoning
district
allows
for
a
three-story
building
not
to
exceed.
F
F
F
F
K
K
Project,
thank
you
eric
for
that
presentation.
I
at
this
time,
don't
have
anything
to
add
the.
K
Team
from
studio
we
have
mike
johnson
and
james
braun
and
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
J
J
About
apartment
dwellings
and
complexes,
and
so
I'd
like
to
ask
the
petitioner
about
the.
J
So
and
I'm
not
an
architect,
so
I
will
apologize
for
me
characterizing
it
in
that
way.
J
Is
there,
is
there
any
thoughts
or
ways
to
make
that.
J
Apartment
complexes
in
town-
I
kind
of
worry
about
that,
and
so
anyway
that's
my.
L
L
What
doesn't
show
here
is
variation
and
depth
across
the
facade
and
the
balconies.
You
know
some.
L
Shadows
probably
would
help
here
and
then
so
we
have
anywhere
from
you
know,
five
to
a.
L
Six
foot
offset
in
the
facade,
so
the
the
portions
that
kind
of
have
the
the
accented
cornice.
L
The
intent
there
is
to
hopefully
make
that
feel.
Like
you
know,
smaller
buildings.
J
J
J
L
Sorry
apologize
for
that,
but
yes,
the
northwest
corner
is
the
main
entrance
where
the
leasing.
L
So
elevators
are
within.
I
think
we
got
three
elevators.
L
L
L
Park
so
and
then
we're
also
required
to
make
accessible
routes
by
the
fair
housing
act.
L
To
all
the
site
amenities,
so
the
actual
the
courtyard
design
is
a
series
of
ramps.
L
L
Into
and
through
in
connectivity
throughout
the
site
as
as
feasible
as
possible,.
J
M
So
kind
of
on
this
side,
if
you
look
at
the
northern
east
part
of
it.
M
Are
you
able
to
bring
that
up
on
the
map
please
so
yeah,
the
northern?
Oh.
M
You
know,
trails
are
are,
are
in,
you
know,
high
use
during
the
summer.
M
M
You
to
the
town
of
bellitsville
when
you
go
and
look
at
where
the
city
owns
that
easement
in.
M
M
Run
up
through
their
property
to
connect
to
where
it
kind
of
elbows
out
and.
M
Of
that
that
bridge
I'm
talking
about
so
it's
just
a
a
question,
I'm
I
guess
I'm
asking.
M
Staff
and
eric
has,
has
there
been
much
consideration
of
how
this
park
property.
M
M
F
Does
actually
show
connection,
you
know
a
a
path
that
would
lead
up
along.
F
Arlington
drive
and
then
connect
to
kinser
pike
and
then
connect
to
and
go
through
the
bypass.
F
F
Will
give
you
a
little
bit
better
idea
of
what
the
overall
network
would
look
along
here?
So.
F
F
F
M
M
Would
love
to
connect
to
this
site?
But
you
know
we
didn't
do
that
during
the
planning
phase.
M
B
M
B
B
B
Yeah,
I
don't
think
we
specifically
spoke,
or
you
know
eric's
mentioned
specifically
spoke
this.
M
E
F
Yes,
so
actually,
where
the
the
transit
stop
will
be
located,
is
just
to
the.
F
West
of
the
roundabout
a
little
bit.
So
it's
an
area
that
is
already
in
public
right-of-way
and
is.
F
Roughly,
where
the
crosswalk
location
is,
that
is
just
on
the
west
side
of
the
roundabout,
so.
A
Commissioner
seabour
go
ahead,
I
think
I
will.
I
think
this
question
I'll
start
with
the.
H
H
K
For
right
now,
the
property
line
is
to
the
center
line
of
arlington
road
and
everything.
K
H
H
The
line
that's
back
of
the
path
not
just
is
that
I
think
that's
what
I
heard
yes
correct,
that.
K
F
M
C
J
We
want
to
ask
for
some
of
these
perhaps
varying
the
colors
of
the
facade
and
or
the.
J
Forum,
sorry,
I'm
I'm
still
new
to
the
planned
connection
and
mr
rooker
can
correct
me
if.
B
B
Make
here
is
how
we
would
do
that,
I'm
pretty
sure
so,
for
the
first
thing
would
be
to
ask
them.
A
It's
not
uncommon
for.
A
Move
to
continue
this
to
another
hearing
until
to
see
if
some
of
those
things.
A
Could
be
incorporated,
it's
it's
frequently
difficult
for
a
petitioner
to
make
an
agreement.
J
Advice,
commissioner
or
president
whistler,
as
far
as
should
this
under
this.
J
A
Prudent,
maybe
for
you
to
clarify
exactly
what
it
is
that
you're
looking
for
and
let.
A
J
J
So,
mr
johnson,
thank
you
very
much,
for
you
know
talking
to
me
about
the
facade
and,
and
so
will.
J
You
agree
to
vary
the
the
color
and-
and
I
appreciate
you,
pointing
out
the
setbacks
on.
L
You
know
some
standard
colors
that
we
could
work
with.
That
would
allow
us
to
get.
L
L
J
Then
it
be
said
that
the
petitioner
has
agreed
to
vary
the
coloration
and
and.
A
A
Approval,
I'm
going
to
look
to
miss
scanlon
to
ask,
because
I
I
just
if,
if
we
are,
if
we're.
A
A
B
My
only
comment
would
be
you
know,
that's
all
very
subjective.
So
that's
why
the
code
you
know.
B
B
Want
something
more
specific
to
get
at
what
you're
wanting
to
do,
but
I
mean
it's:
it's
up.
B
To
you
so
in
the
vein
of
what
commissioner
whistler
suggested,
that
may
be
something
that
can.
B
Happen
in
conversations
over
the
next
month-
or
so
you
know
like
eric's,
showing
here.
B
And
so
we
would,
you
know,
need
to
know
how
you
want
this
to
be
different.
I
think.
J
Interpret
my
desire
to
not
have
monolithic-looking
buildings,
yeah
and.
F
Condition
of
approval,
you
know
we
we
don't
like
regulating
color.
The
udo
does
not
regulate.
J
J
Experts
and
I'm
I'm
a
commissioner
who
just
has
opinions
so,
ms
scanlon,
can
you.
J
Fix
that
up
for
us
as
far
as
condition
and
have
it
reflect
yeah,
I
think.
B
B
F
Can
I
will
work,
I
will
work
up
a
condition
as
the
can,
as
the
comments
keep
coming
in
here.
A
Thank
you
very
much
all
right,
while
we're
waiting
on
that.
Are
there
any
other
questions.
A
To
do
that,
maybe
the
maybe
the
petitioner
can
speak
to
this.
This
is
an
area
where.
A
Flooding
has
been
a
challenge
in
the
past
and
it
does
appear
from
the
from
the
site
plan.
K
I'm
happy
to
answer
that
this
is
katie
stein,
design.
Group
again
I
I
guess
I
don't
know.
K
K
K
Quite
a
bit
of
volume
on
that
south
side,
so
it
will
be
improving
this
area.
A
The
the
parking
surface
will
create
runoff,
but
it
will
be
retained
on
site
and
that
runoff
will.
A
A
Any
other
questions
we
can,
I
think,
go
to
public
comment
if
there
are
no
other
questions.
A
E
E
I
I'm
very
cautious
about
dictating
colors
outside
of
the
code.
I
just
you
know
the.
E
But
just
would
like
to
hear
from
the
the
developer
and
make
sure
that
they're
open
to
that
idea.
L
Yeah,
this
is
mike
johnson,
I'm
with
the
architect
here
in
patel.
L
L
To
make
it
complement
and
accent
a
certain
feature,
but
as
far
as
like
trying
to
set
a
standard.
N
E
A
On
that,
just
to
ask
is:
was
it
the
intent
during
your
design
process
to
to
make
that.
A
Feel
like
a
separate
building
at
that
at
that
break
point
was
that
a
design
consideration.
L
Yeah,
that
was
an
initial
thought,
is
you
know
it
was
initially
we
were
trying
to
hold
it
flat.
L
And
found
with
greed
and
and
building
height
restrictions
we
could
step
it.
L
Much
more
scalable
building,
as
you
went
up
up
the
up
the
hill
up,
arlington.
O
The
you
know,
as
you're
going
hill
to
kind
of
play
with
that,
rather
so
right
not
to
yeah.
L
O
O
O
Look,
we
want
it
to
flow,
but
still
kind
of
you
know
kind
of
flow
with
the
elevation
as
well
of.
B
B
P
P
The
problem,
as
commissioner
cochran
brings
up
is
this
is
so
subjective
and
one
person's
tomatoes.
P
P
P
Would
ask
rather
that
what
we
are
willing
to
consider
that
issue?
We
would
ask
that.
P
That
you
just
consider,
what's
in
the
ordinance
only
and
that
we
be
approved
this
evening,.
G
I
think
it
is
a
slippery
slope.
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
proposals
that.
G
G
B
C
C
C
For
the
plan,
commission
we've
been
looking
at
this
gray
building
which,
in
my
opinion,
does
look.
C
C
The
different
colors
there
I
can't
quite
see
that
it's,
I
don't
know
that
that's
brick.
I
can't.
A
B
B
B
N
A
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
fine
line
right.
We
we
do
have.
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
certainly
we,
the
the
the
line
between
personal
preference
on
aesthetics.
A
And
what
is
regulated
in
in
our
monotony
standards
is
is
a
fine
line.
I
would
suggest
that.
A
A
Council's
desires
for
what
is
monotonous,
then
we
probably
need
to
update
the
code
and
make
sure.
A
That
we
have
a
standard
that
is
going
to
please
the
those
bodies.
In
the
meantime,
I
think,
as.
A
Far
as
procedure
goes
tonight,
what
we
should
do,
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
we
look
at
what.
A
That
motion
to
include
the
additional
standard
or
not,
and
then
we
can
proceed
with
vote
so.
A
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
just
get
that
kind
of
on
the
table
here
see
what
has
been
recommended.
A
And
then
we
will
go
to
public
comment
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
the
commission
and.
E
A
A
A
Okay
motion
on
final
action
here,
all
right
eric.
Would
you
like
to
present
or
read
us.
A
What
you've,
what
you've
suggested
for
this
additional
condition
of
approval.
F
Incorporate
based
on
some
of
the
comments
that
I
heard
it
still
leaves
it
very
open
for.
F
What
the
petitioner
would
like
to
incorporate
in
terms
of
what
a
separate
color
palette.
F
Involves,
but
that
is,
that
is
what
I
propose,
and
certainly
I'm
happy
to
modify
that,
if
need
be.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
smith
does
does
that.
Is
that
consistent
with
what
you.
A
Were
looking
for,
it
is
consistent
and
it,
and
it
comes
with
the
you
know-
guidance
of
city
staff.
A
Who
would
like
to
make
comment?
Click
on
that
reactions,
tab
and
click
on
the
raise
hand.
A
Can
you
hear
me
okay,
we
can
hear
you
fine
thanks.
First
dave
askins
with
the
b-square
bulletin.
Q
Q
Because
it's
labeled
as
a
dog
park
on
the
site
plan,
in
other
words,
if
the
city
notices
that.
Q
Q
Q
R
R
More
rain
troughing
out
down
to
that
area
and
the
the
traffic
is
a
situation
of
concern
there.
As.
R
R
There
are
other
many
other
design
or
things
that
I
can
speak
about.
My
meeting
with
patel's.
R
R
M
M
Of
that
area
is
going
to
start
to
shift,
and
this
is
right
there.
I
think
we're
at
the
cusp.
M
And
I
hope
that
we're
thinking
about
that
because.
M
M
These
types
of
structures,
so
it's
just
a
comment
also,
I
think,
with
my
comment
with
the
the.
M
M
Know
offer
some
type
of
connection
there,
but
it's
great
to
see
all
of
those
trails.
M
And
that
connectivity
occur
in
this
area,
I
pulled
up
a
little
pdf.
I
created
in
2017.
M
M
A
D
F
A
E
E
As
jackie
was
saying
that
we
might
want
to
put
it
in
the
udo
and
and
talk
about,
but
I
do
feel.
E
A
Okay,
is
there
a
second?
I
will
second
that,
with
the
same
comments,
I
do
respect
commissioner
smith's.
C
We
could
do
later,
so
thank
you
for
that,
but
I
do
second
that
motion
all
right.
We've.
A
Mr
smith,
go
ahead.
Have
one
brief
one
is
that
we
have
a
lot
of.
J
J
J
A
Mr
seaborne
yeah
just
just
a
couple
comments.
I
just
appreciate
the
conversation
like
everybody's.
H
Been
noting
I'm
certainly
hearing
more
and
more
interest
or
concern
about
some
of
the
the
size.
H
H
H
To
look
at
to
make
sure
pedestrians
are
crossing
to
get
to
bus
stops
where,
where
is
best.
A
I've
got
just
just
a
couple.
First
of
all,
I
do
I
appreciate
the
discussion
tonight.
I
think
this
is.
A
An
important
conversation,
our
our
standards
on
auntie
monotony,
have
evolved
over
the
years.
A
Solid
versus
windows,
and
and
so
you
could
build
a
perfect
square
box
as
long
as
you
put.
A
Enough
windows
in
it
that
was
considered
to
not
be
monotonous,
and
we
we
then
added
requirements.
A
A
We're
having
that
that
conversation,
but
I
do
agree
that
I
think
the
best
way
forward
tonight
is.
A
A
300
percent
that
you
can
really
see
the
difference
in
the
in
the
materials
and
and
the
change.
A
A
A
That
are
this
large.
If
we
could
just
take
a
zoom
in
on
one
section
and
put
it
on
its
own
page.
A
A
You
know
size
of
their
screen
and
resolution
and
so
forth.
So
just
a
little
cross-section.
A
Zoom
in
I
think,
would
be
very
helpful
and
then
finally,
I'm
excited
to
see
what's
happening.
A
So
that
we
can
get
so
that
the
people
who
are
moving
into
these
new
homes,
I
mean.
A
And
right
now
they
got
to
get
in
a
car
and
go
through
several
stoplights
to
get
to
it.
So
I.