City of Bloomington, Indiana Public Safety Local Income Tax Committee, 4 Aug 2020

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Well, good morning, everybody, let's call this meeting to order.

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It is the monroe county, local income tax, council's comm, public safety, income tax.

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Committee, tuesday august 4th 2020 at a wonderful 801 a.m.

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Let us let me just say that the agenda includes a.

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Presentation and discussion of the county council's recommendation.

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For funding qualified service providers and as part of this, we will hear.

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Estimates of the public safety rates in revenues.

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From from staff, and we will then hear the.

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Public safety answering point budget proposal from amy hensley.

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And we will follow that with specific discussions about.

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The review of applications from the qualified service providers.

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And finally, we'll get onto the business of deciding.

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uh How we wish to divvy up the revenue that is estimated.

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To come to public safety, lit funding.

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And before we leave, we have to decide on minutes.

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And any other business. So, let's begin uh formally with the roll.

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Call, mr lucas sure.

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uh Committee member scandaluri, here smith- I am here.

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uh Mckim here oldham here, munson here.

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Piedmont- smith, here, sims here and purcell.

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I'm not sure if she's got lois p is below as her.

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Her mic is not on, but that might be lois purcell.

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So, uh thank you. Everybody for coming today.

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And uh let's just jump right in because if we can wrap up our business today,.

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uh That will be our only meeting on this subject.

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um If not, we will meet again uh thursday same time, um new zoom link.

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You're shaking your head at me, stephen, not not the same time, it'll be thursday.

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At 6 30- oh that's good to know. I put it in my.

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Calendar run so thursday at 6 30.. Thank you.

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So, let's begin with uh uh mr lucas's um overview and.

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What he's going to uh be calling on people to talk about.

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Sure, thank you. I, uh the committee is, is aware that this year we don't have the.

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Typical uh revenue estimates that the state.

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Provides and jeff under what is is here and may.

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Be able to add a bit more, uh but typically the state uh right.

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Around august uh august first uh provides.

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They're called estimates, but they're they're, uh typically pretty accurate.

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Estimates of what revenues will be available to.

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For public safety, local income tax and this year, due to extensions.

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Granted by executive orders for certain tax filing deadlines.

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That delayed the state's ability to provide those revenue, estimates and.

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Jeff may be able to comment on what what's an appropriate placeholder. I know.

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The county in their deliberations, used 90 of last.

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Year's revenues and jeff- I don't know if you can add anything uh just to comment that that, yes, that's.

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What that's their recommendation at this time and obviously it'll be fairly late uh well into october, when most of us.

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Will have our budgets completed and they're they're telling us.

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At least for a glitch to and publix, if you'd like to use ninety percent.

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So I would like to comment that uh I understand the 90.

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To be a conservative estimate and there's likely to be.

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A greater amount of funding, but we will calculate.

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uh Tax rates and percent of revenue, uh based on the estimate that we have to.

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Work with and then any additional funding would be.

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Automatically uh said to to the recipient, based on the.

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uh Tax rate or percent of revenue.

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So, mr underwood, any any comment on that. uh No, it's just unfortunate we're in.

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Unprecedented times and it's putting a lot of burden on all of.

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Us that are trying to put budgets together and and estimates of what uh expenditures, obviously costs.

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Continue to go up, and uh so um you know we're all kind of operating.

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In the dark this year, and and I'm hopeful that uh you know we'll be.

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Closer to 100 on uh the numbers rather than the 90, but I.

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Think going conservative is the best approach at this point in time. Okay, mr mckim just sent a note in the.

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Chat, if you like to take a look at that, that's the.

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Official estimate, the 90 okay, I have to bring up that chat on my.

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So, mr mr mckim sent a link, so everybody could uh read about the 90.

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Number as estimate.

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Okay, thank you jeff and jeff, uh mr sims. Thank you good morning.

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um Without having to click into the link, do we actually have.

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That number, the 90 number handy I mean, can someone.

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Just read that off so I can write it down. Yes, we do. uh It is and you'll correct me if this is wrong.

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Seven million seven hundred and eighty nine thousand.

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Two hundred and eleven dollars.

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Thank you I'll check the link a little later, but I thought this would save time.

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So, thank you and I've been thinking of this.

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As roughly 7.9 million.

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Okay, mr lucas, are there any others? Excuse me, I just saw you miss piedmont.

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Smith, uh it would be roughly 7.8 million.

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Not 7.9 million yes, you're right. Sorry, the font is so small on my screen.

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I can't I could not read it. Let me correct that.

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Number please 700 hundred and 708.

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Nine thousand two hundred and eleven.

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So, mr lucas, is there any other uh uh presentation before we move on to.

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That the next point, I don't believe so given.

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That revenue estimate of the committee, I believe, most of the.

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Committee members aware that uh the first amount that comes out of.

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That that available funding is set aside for.

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The public safety answering point amy.

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Hensley is here to discuss the 2021 dispatch budget.

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And if she's ready to present, I will let her.

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Take it away all right.

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Welcome ms hensley.

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Good morning, uh so this year, what we're, looking at from the.

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Public safety lit is a total of 2 million 247.

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489 and 57 cents in our budget that for next year we put.

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In for an additional three and a half uh ftes.

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The novac report had recommended nine and a half and we thought we would space.

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That over a three year period, I have greatly reduced the overtime.

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Because I'm anticipating it to go way down with the added staffing.

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Currently, our staffing is.

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That we have 26 and a half dispatcher positions.

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And uh currently we have one and a half of those.

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Beyond that, the supplies and things pretty much stayed the same.

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I lowered the capital projects line because.

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I inherited some some major projects that were.

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Still in progress so, instead of taking on new projects, we're going to focus.

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On completing the ones that are in midstream.

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There any questions on it or do you want any additional information.

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No, that was kind of short and sweet that was short and sweet, but everybody.

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Received uh an excel spreadsheet of your budget.

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And your comparison to 2020. right, mr mckim has a question or comment.

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Yes, thank you for the presentation. uh Could you uh would you say the numbers.

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Again, in terms of the current and proposed staffing level number of ftes, our current.

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Ftes for dispatchers and and I'm not counting supervisors and.

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Management but four dispatchers is 26 and a half.

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And we're proposing to add three and a half.

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Okay, so then you'll have 30 ftes as dispatchers at the end of it.

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Budget, if this passes and how many did you say, you currently have vacant.

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We currently have vacant uh two and a half slots.

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So that seems really good, that does, it seems like traditionally, there have been.

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A lot more vacancies yeah. That is, that the case.

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That's we're trying hard to hang on to them.

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um We went to a a combination shift instead of straight eights, because a.

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A lot of families work better with with a 12-hour shift.

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And yet some of our our members and their family needs.

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Support the eight-hour shift, so we went to a combo shift where.

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Some of our dispatchers are on eight hours and some are on twelves and.

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And uh by trying to make it more focused on meeting some of.

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Their needs, I think, is, is what has lowered some of.

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Our our exodus well that's great, and I also.

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Like the idea of reducing overtime, because that also reduces burnout.

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So yes yeah, that's good to hear thanks. We do have a few that really like that.

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Over time, I bet they do yeah.

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Other questions or comments, ms gandaluri, thank you. Thank you for the presentation.

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Just to confirm I'm understanding this correctly, it looks like the decrease in the request is due mostly to the overtime and also to the communications contract.

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Is that correct, I'm seeing a 45 000 decrease? Yes, okay, could you say more.

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About the communications contract, please, okay, let me pull up my other spreadsheet.

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Communications contracts, those are uh those are all the.

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Software and hardware uh maintenance agreements and things that.

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We have uh on an annual basis.

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huh And did you change vendors or or for the decrease.

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Yeah part of what was built into it for 2020 was to.

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One of our open um projects, in case there were any anticipated costs.

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With that, and so I've been paying out of that.

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Some anticipated costs that, with that open project.

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You know it has ch well, the numbers have changed. For example, one.

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Of the open projects is getting our protocols online.

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And part of the cost of the protocols had to do with.

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um The number of people we were training and we bought a training package.

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As part of the contract, but because we've.

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Increased staffing over what it has been because there have been so many.

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Vacancies, they bought a smaller training package.

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So, with the in increasing our staffing, we had to buy a larger training package.

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We uh we outfitted the training room with computers and furniture which.

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Last year, which um the new computers, the training, computers.

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We had to buy additional software licenses so not knowing what those expenses were. Those had been built in to the 2020.

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Budget but once those purchases are done, I.

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Shouldn't have a lot of that for next year, so I.

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I didn't build in as big a cushion.

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For unanticipated things, okay makes sense. Thank you. Thank you for.

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Explaining I didn't know how much in the weeds you.

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Wanted me to get there, you got just far enough, that's good! So mr mckim has a commenter question. Yes, I I don't know.

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If you know the answer to this, but do you know um if or how long the state is essentially going to guarantee the.

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uh Level of e funds, or, if you know anything about, have any thoughts on the.

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Future of that revenue stream, what we have been told, uh because it's.

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It's based on cell phones, which people are obsessive compulsive about their.

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Cell phones, um so they are not expecting that.

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Revenue stream to be affected by the kovid and and everything we're experiencing around the state. Okay and basically.

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Say, cell phones presumably are or increased cell phone use is making up.

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For the uh decrease in land lines, yes, presumably.

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So that's sort of a zero sum all right good and they have been.

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Looking at ways for additional revenue streams.

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um At the state, I don't know where they stand with some of that.

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But some of the counties have not really advanced a lot in their.

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Their training or their standards of service.

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And because of being poorer counties, more rural counties.

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So what they're trying to do is take on more responsibility at the state level.

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By increasing funding and making available more resources.

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That the state is willing to pay for so that the.

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People can tap into them a few years ago. They took over some of the training.

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Responsibility- and there are certain trainings that.

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They have identified and if you're taking those trainings instead of having to pay it out of your budget, you can submit your invoices to.

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The state and they will pay them and that has helped small centers.

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Especially be able to tap into training that they.

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Otherwise couldn't afford, and so the state is looking at more.

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Things they can take on and more revenue that they can tap into.

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To pay for that, and that that would be helpful even to.

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Us thank you, miss piedmont, smith,.

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Yeah, so just to follow up on that. So are there any.

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Training opportunities that we can take advantage of that would be paid for by.

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The state we are and we plan to do it- this fall.

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Other questions or comments.

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So um back to you, mr lucas, uh to answer my question and that.

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Is I think the next uh business item is emotion and.

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Is that correct? In your view,.

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um A motion regarding uh the psap budget proposal.

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If the committee is ready to it, certainly could I think last year.

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In reviewing the the minutes and records, the committee.

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Waited to approve, I think, all the figures until the end.

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Of the its deliberations, so it's up to the committee if the committee's ready.

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To approve the uh the dispatch budget of emotion in that.

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Regard would certainly be appropriate. Okay. Committee members. Are you ready.

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Don't we just wait to the end, just all right, consider all the numbers.

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Together, so that's good, I was about to make a motion, but oh okay,.

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Oh I'm, okay voting. I just.

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Don't make a motion, it's all interconnected though, and I.

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It is committee, does have uh a spreadsheet.

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uh Worksheet showing uh past uh ps lit distributions back to 2017, with.

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That 90 revenue estimate and then uh numbers plugged in for both psap.

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And the the county council's recommendations for uh qualified service.

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Providers- and we can display that.

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When, when it's appropriate well, I'm because uh psap should be our priority.

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I move that we accept the um the proposed psat budget.

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As presented by ms hensley, second, we have a motion in a second. Is there.

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Any discussion of the motion.

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See none. um Do we put this out for for public.

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Comment, mr lucas. Yes, I believe so: okay, public.

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uh Please identify yourself in the chat if you.

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Have a question or comment.

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And if, if any member of the public wants to make a comment, you.

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You can use the chat, you can also use the raise hand, function.

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um To let us know you'd like to comment.

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Well, I'm not seeing anything in the chat yet.

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I was just going to suggest displaying the uh the budget just so.

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Everybody sees exactly what we're voting on. At the same time,.

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Amy, I don't know if you've got a spreadsheet. I oh.

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um You sent it out, yeah, I was to say you got it. No, I I did yeah. I just didn't.

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Know if she had the spreadsheet pulled up, I've got it as.

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Well, if uh folks do you want, do you want to open it and.

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Share your screen, mr lucas, sure, give me just a second.

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I I've been looking at it while we uh have been having the meeting, and so I.

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Didn't didn't notice its absence, so thank you, mr mccann, for.

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For saying, please, please show this.

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So the cell highlighted, I believe, is the total.

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Amount proposed to come from the public safety.

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Yes agreed questions or comments.

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Okay, so um I would like to uh suggest that we look at another.

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Spreadsheet, and that is.

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The table of recommendations that does include both the.

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90 revenue estimate and the request from dispatch.

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Would you like me to pull that up yeah? Could you do that.

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So people can see the numbers in relation to each other.

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So this worksheet here should display the.

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Revenue estimates suggested by the dlgf. This is.

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The number committee member munson read off earlier in the meeting.

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The proposed dispatch budget is reflected here.

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This worksheet includes the figure recommended by the county council.

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For allocation to the qualified service providers, we haven't.

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Yet discussed that, but that that figure is reflected here.

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And the remaining funding would be distributed to.

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uh The four uh municipalities in in the county.

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These percentages here I've I've taken the liberty of.

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Of dropping those in as placeholders, we don't.

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Quite yet know what these percentages will be. These are.

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Amounts provided by the state as well, um but based on on past years, this seemed a.

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Good placeholder figure so folks can see the amount that.

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Would uh flow to the the county uh bloomington.

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Ellisville and steinsville okay, thank you for adding those.

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And is that is that, based on uh numbers that you've received recently.

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From the state, mr lucas, those are not, those are my own.

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Placeholders, I I just look back at the past four years to see what what they've hovered around and I've dropped.

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Them as as estimates so, okay provided by the state.

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Okay, thank you very good. So we have um we have a motion on the floor.

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A question please, thank you, did you call the question or you have a.

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Question I have a question: please miss yourself, those on the sheet.

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And um that mr lucas just showed um it showed.

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The qualified service provider estimates or the four and a half percent.

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And then you move down to the certified shares my.

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Question is steve, mr lucas, on your estimates.

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At the bottom of the certified chairs has that.

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Has the qualified service provider estimates or recommendation been.

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Subtracted from that, so yes, okay! So that's! Okay!.

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And it would be a percentage each of those that the bottom would be four and.

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A half percent higher um without the qsp figure.

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That's what it would look like with approximate approximately that doesn't.

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Quite yeah, no, it's not exact, but just so I.

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Could wrap my head around it here? I okay. I can simply remove this.

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Cell and oh, no, that no, you can leave it, it.

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Automatically recalculates gotcha, okay! Thank you. Okay,.

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So um if there are no other questions, uh let us move to a roll call vote on.

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Mr lucas call the role if you'd like um I'll start with.

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uh Committee member smith, yes.

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Yes, munson, yes, piedmont, smith,.

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Yes, sims, yes and scandaloury. Yes, and I know miss.

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Purcell's here, but uh doesn't doesn't get a vote on the.

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Committee so um that passes, I believe 7-0.

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Oh, thank you. Then. We will just move right along our agenda to.

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Consideration of the amounts to be distributed to.

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Qualifying service providers the qsps- this is under.

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A specific statute which is referenced in our agenda.

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So this is the end result of the county council's.

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Evaluation and then decision- and we have another worksheet that gives.

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More information about the application.

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So you would bring that up.

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Okay, can everyone see that, thank you so a bit uh a bit of review about the.

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Process for the public, uh uh this committee.

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uh Of the local income tax council was.

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Decided to have the county council review the applications from.

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Qualified fire department providers here and.

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um And then bring these our recommendations back.

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To this committee, as a particular point of this uh process,.

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We asked this year to look only at the most urgent needs.

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And to make sure that we had.

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Applications that listed the priorities or funding, so we could look at specific.

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Projects and talk about specific needs.

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Okay, the um the county council then appointed.

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A subcommittee to do the actual review of the applications and.

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To develop recommendations for our full body.

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And what you see in front of you is the end result.

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Of this multi-phase work here.

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The providers are listed, listed in yellow.

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On the left, including the intended use of funding, and that the.

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Various government units serve.

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We added to this an estimated population for these units, because.

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We have some very small ones and we have one very big one, and I thought that was.

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uh Important information for us.

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Next is: is the breakdown from each of the four applications.

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As to the distribution of funding that they are seeking.

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Everybody has a request for capital outlays and.

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Bean blossom township has an additional request for.

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Personal services.

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So in column h, you can see the priorities.

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And um their actual uh funding requests to us.

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And I think, uh should these be read off mr lucas.

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Is that important, or do you want to just reference the.

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I think I don't think it would hurt. uh I think it's.

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It's fine to read those often in the amount recommended.

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Okay, so, um mr mckim, would you like to read for a while.

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Sure so so I should say uh who the members of our illustrious.

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Subcommittee was to uh develop our review.

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And recommendations to the council- and it was.

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Councillor mckim um council president eric spoonmore.

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And myself, so we have four uh fire departments: monroe fire.

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Protection district: uh we are recommending.

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uh The uh fire station remodel and one repeater for a total of 215.

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Thousand dollars, uh I'm sorry 170 000, sorry out of a.

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Request of 215 dollars, the ellisville fire department.

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We're recommending one mobile repeater uh for a total of twenty thousand.

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Dollars out of a total request of twenty thousand dollars,.

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For b blossom township steinsville volunteer fire department, inc.

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We're recommending for an exhaust system for the fire station and two mobile.

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Repeaters for a total of eighty three thousand seven hundred dollars out of a total request of a hundred and.

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Seventy three thousand six hundred ninety five dollars and finally for the benton township of monroe county volunteer fire department.

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We're recommending for an exhaust system for the fire station.

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An award of eighty thousand dollars out of a total request of three hundred.

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Thirty three thousand eight hundred fifty six dollars so.

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Thank you very much, total sorry for total request.

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For a total request of 353 total award of 353.

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Okay, well before I open this up for.

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For questions and comments, I would note that.

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The amount requested by the county council's vote is.

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uh Is approximately 45.4 percent and I.

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Can't see that on your screen, mr lucas, but maybe I have it.

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I do not have it.

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As a percentage, um the total yeah, so that would be.

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The total percentage.

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Calculating on the fly, I thought yeah yeah, four point: five, four.

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Percent it's yeah yeah, so um it was very difficult for.

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Our committee to um identify which projects we we needed to.

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Fund and what would be uh a reasonable cost considering.

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That the requests are so much greater uh than anything. We've considered uh voted.

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On to fund before uh previous, the total requests were 742.

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We are funding, certainly uh less than less than half of that.

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And we're funding a percentage of the estimated incoming revenue.

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That is about 4.5.

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We chose this number because it was a compatible with previous years.

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And with what we thought was a fair proportion for the the population.

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That is being served by these uh by these service providers.

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So I think we're ready to open this up for questions and comments.

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Miss piedmont, smith, yes, thank you and thank you very much to.

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My county council colleagues for all the work that went into this.

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um Can you uh explain to me why it makes.

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Why it wouldn't make more sense for this money to come out of the.

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County's distributed shares, since this is for people who live.

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Outside the city limits.

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Yes, well, the counties distributed chairs are used for.

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Public safety needs that are both outside the city limits and inside the.

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Funding in the past from our public safety.

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Lit line uh is has gone to the jail.

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Certainly, the sheriff.

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The prosecutor, the courts, uh community corrections and.

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Public defender, I believe mr mckim, is that a good list.

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I don't remember the public defender being in there, but yeah.

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And it's important to note that the prosecutor- you know the prosecutor expenses- are things like uh sex crimes, deputy prosecutor and.

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Domestic violence prosecutor that very much benefits people throughout the county, so yeah, I think that's that's very.

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Important to note that the majority of the county's use of the uh of the public safety lit is for expenses that.

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That serve people throughout the county, regardless of whether they're in a municipality. I understand that, but still um residents.

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Of the city of bloomington pay uh for the government of the monarch.

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Of monroe county, as well as for the government of the city of bloomington,.

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But they get their fire and emergency services.

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Through the city of bloomington, so I don't really understand.

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Why they should pay for the fire protection services that.

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They do not benefit from, but that's that's kind of. We don't have.

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A system where people in the city are paying.

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Income taxes to the city and people who live outside the city.

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Are paying income taxes outside the city? That's simply not the way our system.

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Works, we are a system that pools all of the income.

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Taxes collected regardless of whether you live in in the city or not and then distributes it, based on kind of an arbitrary formula.

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And so it's really up to us to.

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To try to allocate those uh those funds fairly in a way that serves everybody.

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But there's not, we don't have a system where, like I said,.

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If, if you happen to live in the city, then your income taxes go to the city, we.

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Do do that way? You know we have a system, that's more like that for property taxes.

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But we simply don't for income taxes we might someday. So how do the income.

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Taxes come back to the city government through the just.

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Through the the same kind of distributed, shares formula that we see here, it's not the same formula. I believe.

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Wait, I'm sorry what was the question? How do.

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um Income tax dollars come to the city government.

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You know about regular income taxes, not the public safety.

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It's a formula that's very similar to this formula, but based primarily on.

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On property taxes uh plus past income, taxes.

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So it is, it is proportionate to uh population property, property.

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Not population property property, so I believe mr oldham had a question.

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Actually more of a comment: if I can and jeff please.

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Forgive me this seems like a swipe at you and it's not it's just a wording you used a second ago. um I do renew, as in years past my.

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Objection to the distribution amounts, I guess and.

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Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the county council going through this.

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But yet again this year we have one of the qualified service providers.

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Obtaining more than the municipalities are taking at least two of the municipalities and again.

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The share has already been, as jeff said, there is.

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There's already a method under the law of the division of this.

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Ps lit tax um that is representative of how things should.

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Be distributed but yet again we have a qualified service provider who is in.

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The midst of resetting their own tax base.

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Seemingly, going to take away more than two of the municipalities that are.

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Guaranteed shares under the law and I would again ask the.

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Same thing, that ms piedmont smith said: if this is such a.

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Significant issue that, quite frankly, if we don't fund any of the qualified.

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Service providers and then each of the municipalities wants to undertake.

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And forgive me the county as well wants to undertake a sub grant out of their.

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Own funds- for that, I'm fine with that. But to again do this.

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Split again, where, once again, we have a qualified.

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Service provider walking away with substantial amount of the.

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Money that is being devoted to those qsps.

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Just seems like a smack in the face to some of the other county residents.

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Other questions or comments, miss gonvalori.

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um Thank you. This is actually kind of both. I did.

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Just some quick sketching out of what of the total request divided by.

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Population and came up with the following really.

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Quick numbers um for the monroe fire protection district.

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Their request amounts to about five dollars and sixty-four cents.

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Per person in ellis the ellisville fire department.

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Requests about two dollars per person; um bean blossom about.

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51 per person- and they ask for some more substantial things.

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The request out of benton township comes in at 106.

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Dollars per person, um if, if I'm calculating that incorrectly or thinking.

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Wrong, let me know, um I'm generally in favor of.

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Things like exhaust systems that preserve the health.

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Of firefighters, but in particular I had questions about.

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The ben and I read the packet that could you could.

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One of you say more about the benson township.

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Remodel the renovation of station 14 for 195.

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000, that's that's a pretty grown up ass and I could some of you just for my.

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Benefit fill me in on the background of that.

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Well, don't mean to take a stab yeah and it's in one of the.

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They have a narrative in one of the um in their application documents.

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Sent out to the um to the committee under qsp applications.

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But yeah cheryl go ahead. I think basically.

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What uh benton is needing to do is to prepare.

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For joining the fire protection district um next year and reconfiguring.

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uh Their uh fire station- um I don't I don't recall when it was.

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Built and what, when additions were made to it, but it.

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Was some time ago and so that they can have.

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A 24 7 personnel there.

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And um the remodel of the fire station in indian.

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Creek uh was exactly for the for the same purpose.

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Notice that for benton we did not recommend the.

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That request be funded.

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Questions or comments, I have one, mr smith,.

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I'd like to follow up, and perhaps I can ask.

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um Mr mckim, will you ex expound a little bit more.

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You're saying we don't have a system to.

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Take revenue in proportionate ways will you say a little bit more about.

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Your comment well, no, what I was trying to say is that.

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We do not have a system of taxation where city residents pay income taxes.

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That then stay within the city and people who are outside of the.

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City pay, income, taxes that stay outside of the city.

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That's we we. Instead, we have a system that.

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In which all of the income taxes collected county wide.

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Are pooled and then distributed according to formulas that honestly have.

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Just kind of grown up historically they're not even necessary. I don't know.

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That there's a huge amount of of justification for it. At this point,.

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They've just grown up historically and they, the formulas themselves, don't.

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Change over time, so that we we already have a system.

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Where all the revenue is pooled and we have to kind of decide together- uh or at least we're encouraged to.

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Decide together how those those revenues are are spent so far, the.

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General assembly has decided that the fire department in.

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The city um is part of the the city services that.

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Gets that gets funded, but the rural fire.

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Departments are not part of the formula for which public safety gets gets decided it's kind of an arbitrary decision, a bill to change that has come up a number of times.

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It may or may not come up in the future and may not, but it's it's just kind of.

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An arbitrary decision on the part of the general assembly, so so I'm going to.

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Follow up on that with so, does that mean.

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That the all the uh government entities outside of the city.

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There can they change their.

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Revenue streams so that they can pay for those those.

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Asks that are important for their fire departments.

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And I don't I don't mean just ask jeff, but anybody can answer that. But.

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Okay, um my that's, where my mind was going with.

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How to proportionately do this, and- and it sounds like some of it- is the way.

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We have done. It is historical, as jeff said in in its vestiges, from uh from that's been around for a while, and I.

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Didn't know if there was a way to system to make it structurally better.

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For the future.

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Mr underwood yeah just to give the committee and some of your new just a.

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Little bit of background, uh there used to be a number of.

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Different income taxes, those were consolidated.

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Into local income tax by the state legislature, and then they.

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Created three buckets distributive shares economic development.

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And public safety, the distributive shares has a much wider.

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Group of entities that are eligible for that and.

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As mr mckim said, there's a formula: that's.

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It's kind of convoluted on how it allocates those.

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Out to those various units of government, including townships,.

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And the library and I believe that mccsc does not get.

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The school system don't get any uh lit uh in economic development and public.

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Safety, it's limited to the four municipalities.

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Units of government city, ellisville, steinsville and monroe.

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County and they have a different distributed.

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Share of that part of the public safety was that it.

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Was mainly created to fund uh unified dispatch, centers.

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Peace, apps uh and any dollars, as the statute says, comes out of that first.

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And then the rest automatically falls to the other four.

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Units based on that distribution, we they allow the ability to.

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Take applications from and fund qualified service providers.

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All of us, uh and uh traditionally we've not seen.

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uh Requests come from uh the city for police or fire or the.

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uh The county, um but we have seen those come through.

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For uh from the townships, the townships are responsible for fight providing fire.

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Protection there are a couple of statutes that allow them to consolidate. I think after 2022.

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Essentially, uh monroe county uh will be consolidated.

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Except for you, like ellisville bloomington,.

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The monroe county, fire district and and uh bean blossom, I don't believe they've.

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Been included yet benton is getting ready to vote on that and I'm pretty.

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Certain that that's going to pass so all of the townships will monroe.

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Are bloomington and washington disbanded so that they could join monroe so.

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They've got to go geographically, so it'll be bloomington.

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And washington, township and then benton so uh you'll, basically.

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Have uh four four providers: fire service, you'll.

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Have ellisville bloomington um bean blossom and uh the consolidated.

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So that's just a sorry to jump in, but just want to give you some quick history um on that and and how the lit.

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Is one tax but has three three buckets that.

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Currently, uh monroe county in the city of bloomington, elseville.

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And scienceville have elected to enact two of those public service.

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And certified chairs. Thank you so, mr mckim, I wanted to make a point to.

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Mr underwood and then I'll then I'll call on you. Please.

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um I think um I think one of the things that you.

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Should note on the um the historical table, could you put.

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That up, mr lucas.

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Okay, so mr underwood gave a good summary of.

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Of how the taxes are distributed, but.

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I want you to note that the public safety lit.

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Tax is collected from people residing outside municipal limits.

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And they they are governed primarily by townships and.

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You can see at the bottom of of this table that.

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Townships, do not get public safety certified shares, they do get income tax.

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Which is good because people are paying but they're also paying for public.

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Safety income tax- and they are not allocated.

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Any, um and that is because uh the public safety uh aspect of.

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Rural government township government is through.

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um Is through the townships and they are provided for in the statute.

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With the funding that is allowed uh and not required, but.

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Allowed for qualified service providers.

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So to me, um funding for a portion of our county.

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Population that lives outside municipalities is is a fair thing.

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I didn't say the amounts I'm just saying funding for them, I believe, is fair.

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Since their pain into it, mr mckim, I just want to point out one other thing.

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That that 4.5 percent, approximately is, as you can see, from the spreadsheet.

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Showing right here is a number that is generally been used successfully in the.

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Past it was not used in one year when uh the.

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Essentially, the dispatch center decided to do a big communications.

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Project that would benefit all the fire departments, so nothing was allocated directly the to the fire departments, but.

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So that number has generally been uh has generally worked out.

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And remember that that this year was calculated on the lower estimate on that.

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90 estimate, so it's a lower number overall.

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Than in the past, and if that, if the actual revenue comes.

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In higher than 90, which I I think I think we all agree, it.

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Most certainly will could even be greater than 100.

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Then that 4.5, then all that additional revenue that.

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Comes in above that 90 would then be allocated to the county.

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The city, ellisville and steinsville so that we we would be voting on a specific award to the fire departments, not a.

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Percentage see what I mean. So if the revenue comes in higher, then that additional revenue doesn't go to.

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The fire departments, it just goes to the the city and the county and the.

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Towns right, I just want to make sure everybody understood that, and and for that reason the subcommittee.

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Reviewed the applications with respect to specific projects, rather.

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Than just an amount of funding, and that was taking.

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Our direction from this committee that.

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We focus on urgent needs.

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Other questions or comments- I don't know if you can see my hand, so I.

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Could I could not I'm sorry, you had disappeared.

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uh Miss piedmont smith and then, mr sims. um Yes, I I wanted to say.

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That uh what mr mckam just said is is as far as, if it's, if the total revenues.

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Are more than 90, we could just consider that we're just.

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Giving that part to the qsps, uh that's no, that's did I misinterpret.

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That, because that's not the way, I see it at all yeah that would that that was the opposite, not what I did.

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That's the opposite! Okay! I'm sorry. Can you say it again, then.

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Because I didn't understand, I say if the revenues come in higher.

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Than 90 percent, then it doesn't go to the qsps at all.

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I'm saying it then then that's essentially extra money that comes in.

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Just for the four municipalities, okay, yeah, but but in.

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In either case, um uh thank you for clarifying that. But if.

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You look at that chart. um We.

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If you look at the city's person, which is my job to look at.

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So at 90 percent we're getting what 2.6 million last year we got 3.

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Million so we're we're taking a considerable cut.

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And I know it, it may be more because 90 is quite conservative.

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um And I I know that the county and the other units are also taking a cut, but.

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But looking at that, um I that's that impacts our um ability to meet our.

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Public safety commitments to bloomington residents.

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So I'm quite concerned about that: how does it come out if you go to 100.

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Percent, I don't know.

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Yeah then we have a small increase yeah.

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But we've been instructed to look at 90 just in case.

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Can I ask a quick question on the same line of thought here? Oh.

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Yes, but mr sims is that's: okay, miss miss piedmont. Smith are.

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You done for now for now yeah, okay, mr sims I'll defer to.

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Mr odom, as long as I can come immediately after right and again, I apologize jim. I didn't remember, you're going.

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On that same card, if we can use the 90 figure.

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But then zero out to 4.5 percent? What does that? Look like money, wise for.

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Sorry give me a minute clicking too many.

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I don't know if everybody can see the change there. This is with the.

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uh Recommended amount for the qsps, and then this is without.

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Okay, again, revenue estimate from the state and again it jumped.

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About two hundred thousand department very quickly.

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And again these I, I will remind folks these percentages are.

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uh Not official, these were just my own.

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Placeholder percentages based on past years this this may change.

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The amount so basically, if we just if we would zero these out from.

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Looking at what I'm seeing zero out this 4.5 percent and again.

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There's requests on the table from qsps.

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For dollar figures, if, if the town of beltsville absorbed.

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Richland, beanbar or richland townships requested twenty thousand dollars.

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We could essentially cover it by zeroing out the 4.5 percent.

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If the county absorbed the two fire departments that are making requests.

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Under this, they could essentially grant that money.

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As well by zeroing this out and not be on any.

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Money at all, and it it puts the money back in the municipality's hands to then do sub grants. If we need to to our.

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Townships that we're responsible for by municipalities, I'm including as well.

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Right so I would, I will question right away.

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um Well, so you can answer: why would the municipalities give funding to.

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Townships for uh public safety well, first off the municipalities would.

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Give that because the the request, the sheet you're showing, is actually a.

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Little bit of a misnomer or disingenuous, not intentionally.

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It is not the town of ellisville making this request for twenty thousand dollars.

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That is richland township, who is served yes, but right exactly.

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Right so we understand that um traditionally as well. This council has only funded immediate.

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Urgent safety needs for the qsps, but yet now.

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We're going to fund or potentially fund a renovation to a.

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Firehouse, so they are up to scale to join another fire protection district. I'm sorry! I don't see that as an urgent safety need that that's that's, not an urgent safety need and that's not.

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Something we've done before, but if we zero this out and then the.

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Individuals, you know the governmental bodies.

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Decide that they want to make sub awards if we zero it out.

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None of the governmental bodies are hurt by making those same sub awards.

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And it's almost like a direct line, essentially ellsville's would rise by.

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The twenty thousand dollars, or close to it that richland township, is making the request for the counties would rise by.

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Over two hundred thousand dollars that the qsps they're asking for.

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So it's it's, it doesn't hurt anywhere there to zero this money out and then, if.

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You want to want to make those grant donations or.

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However, you want to say those funding priorities for yourselves, that's fine! It.

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Doesn't hurt the bottom line, but the area that's responsible for.

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The qsp, I guess, would then make the sub award and would come out the same for.

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Them but it wouldn't impact the entire county.

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City town et cetera, that was proportionate.

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Thank you, mr sims. You wanted to comment. Thank you. Yes, um first of all, I want to.

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Thank the my county council colleagues, their subcommittee, I guess for doing.

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What this committee ask as far as applications and and doing.

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That work, so I appreciate it, and I thank you.

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um My comment is the purpose of this ps lit is to.

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Obviously, fund um dispatch, that's the main thing and then.

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The money that's left over after that from the pool.

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Is distributed to the four governmental units.

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Now my question- or I guess and someone can answer this question- I do have a.

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Question here somewhere, those.

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Certified shares distribution is based on population.

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Isn't the township residence calculated as part of that overall population.

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And original distribution nothing's based on population there's no.

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None of these tax distributions are based on population.

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So what is it based on? If I may ask, is it people that are paying.

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Into it, property tax property, tax property tax footprint, thank you.

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And and obviously um the city has um uh more of that share and it's been.

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Distributed or recommended to distribute accordingly between those units is that.

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Now correct: okay! um Now, as far as.

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Township requests: this is my third year um tagging, along with.

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What mr oldham said, particularly with safety, needs.

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My first year it was the communication upgrades which I think we all agreed. It.

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Was necessary getting on the same frequencies.

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Upgrading equipment so that we could all communicate.

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Acro county wide, I believe that we should follow the.

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What we start, what this is intended to do, or not so much intended the way it is.

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uh Dispatch and then the four units there was that there was that need, and I.

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um Although I believe what I just said how it should be distributed, there was this need countywide, that I.

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Think was worth discussing on the next phase had to do with.

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Self-Contained breathing apparatus for some reason, a large number of them.

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Were due to expire about the same time and fairly quickly.

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And I think, um through the understanding from a safety.

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Standpoint and that compassion.

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Even though I didn't support the distribution.

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I did support that particular need for the safety of our township officers.

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To not expose themselves unnecessarily by not having proper breathing apparatus.

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Now, moving forward to this one this year, like mr oldham, said I I see some needs, I.

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Don't know if I see critical or urgent safety needs.

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And I guess along those lines, we in the city have.

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um And there's no application for the city, but we do know as part of our.

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Budgeting process there are public safety needs.

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That we, I think, as a city electoral representatives, must consider.

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um And as councilmember smith said, um there's consideration for other.

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Revenue streams possibility for uh uh townships.

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And and maybe not right now, but I can see that.

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So I I'm in support of obviously approving dispatch which we've um or.

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Psat, which we've done and then I'm okay and would support.

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Just following the distribution um with the four units.

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Government units as it's set up, so I guess that's my comment and thank you.

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For clarifying my thoughts, mr mckim.

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Other questions or comments.

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Ms gambaleri thank you and thank you and then miss peabody smith. Sorry.

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Thank you and thank you for your patience with my questions. I I'm.

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Glad I have my veteran council members to learn from on this.

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um Just for my benefit, what consideration has been given.

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And I'm going to to take ron's question, put a finer point on it.

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What consideration has been given to raising taxes.

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In benton township or in the township, oh townships, don't have that option.

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They do not, or is there another taxing entity.

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That that has been considered that you've considered using.

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The fund benton township or bean blossom, or what have you.

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Is there not a reset for the levy when people join the fire protection district.

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I believe in the fire protection district there are, there are more.

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Options: yes, yes, and but there's also a limitation.

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As well but but you're right that the joining consolidation is the primary.

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uh Way for township fire departments to increase their.

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uh Their revenue- and I thought you know and based on past discussions. This is my.

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First year on the uh on the committee, but I I had thought.

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That there was some desire to kind of encourage the uh the consolidation of fire departments.

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And, and even I think there was even maybe floated a uh consideration of a policy that all.

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Distributions would only go to the departments that are in the process.

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Of consolidating so maybe maybe I misun misunderstood- that.

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But I think we do want to encourage consolidation overall.

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And and that I understand that, but do I understand too, that the count.

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Even if the townships can't raise taxes, the county has that option.

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And the fire districts do as well. The county does not have that option. No, the.

G

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Thank you, so um I would add a further point.

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For miss gamboluri before miss piedmont, smith speaks.

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And that is that, just like city government and county government.

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Townships, uh which provide funding for.

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Some of these service providers, not not the fire protection district, but.

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The others are limited in what they can increase.

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And uh 2021, I think, is a particularly worrisome year because.

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Of the uncertainties about about all revenue income coming in.

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So they will have very conservative budgets and.

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I doubt they can find additional funding if they, if they could, they would have.

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Already gone ahead with the projects, because the mobile repeaters are.

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Something they thought would come about as a result of the communications.

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Project and as that turned out.

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Equipment and programming cost more than expected.

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And so there was not funding, except for a very few mobile repeaters.

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And as I understand it, this will this will go on, but uh it's not enough.

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Mobile repeaters to uh provide uh communication.

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Mr mckim go ahead, please and then I thought I was next. Oh, I have.

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Everybody's hands up; okay, I'm sorry, miss piedmont, smith,.

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Yes, I wanted to follow up on um miss gambellary's question.

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uh So we do have a request here from the monroe fire protection district.

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um And I understand they could raise their rates.

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Their own tax rates is that, did I understand that correctly.

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They can raise them, but they are limited in.

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To how much they can raise them same same for city government, same for county.

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Right but they're not at their maximum levy. As far as we know,.

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The point is, as they add units of government, as they add.

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Additional townships they get to reset their rate.

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At that time, right otherwise they're limited to the same growth.

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Quotient that every unit of government is allowed.

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Based on property taxes, the other thing and.

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Just jumping in real quick is townships, also have the ability to have.

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A fire cumulative capital development fund.

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In addition to their other property tax rate to fund the ongoing operations.

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They can elect to have a qcap development.

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Fund specifically for fire protection as well, so they have two financing.

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Property taxes and team cap development, which is also a property tax,.

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They do have those, but we have encouraged consolidation because.

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One of the themes that have been told us by that group is.

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By consolidating we can become more efficient, we have better buying power.

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And that should drive their costs down rather than up, and that they'll be more.

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Efficient than having numerous smaller units uh provide.

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That so we're certainly hopeful um as a benton township.

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Resident, I'm certainly hoping that my rate will go down because it should be.

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uh More less expensive to have a uh consolidated rather than a volunteer.

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Fire department so I'll jump off now. Thank you.

E

So thank you that that helped answer um the first part of my question. The second.

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Part of my question is about being blossom and that they.

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Apparently, do not plan to consolidate, so why is this? Yes, they do.

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They do thank you.

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So what um when, when would that happen? When is that slated to happen? um I'm not.

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Sure I know that they do talk about it at the meetings.

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And because of covid, they haven't had a few.

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But they had one last night and that was part of the topic of the need.

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To move forward and join the district? Well, that's really.

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Good to know, thank you, so I can. I can give a partial answer to.

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Miss piebon smith.

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Bean blossom township has to wait until an adjacent township.

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Has become part of the district and then they can go through that process.

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So the township they're waiting on is washington, township.

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Got it okay! Thank you. Okay, we had mr mckim.

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And I guess mr smith is next yeah. I I just uh want to say to my my.

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City colleagues, here I definitely I I fully understand your.

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Your skepticism here at supporting the royal fire district.

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This is this is why I don't like the structure of the tax, and I will continue.

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To e uh advocate at the state house level.

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For tax reform, I have before I've been doing it for years.

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And I, and I will continue to do it- um I I agree you were being put in a position.

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Of potentially voting on expenditures or voting on revenue to be.

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Diverted to people that, by definition you don't represent, I.

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Understand why you don't want to do that? So I'm not you know, I'm not holding you responsible for what I think is a badly structured.

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Tax, so I'm just saying that this will redouble my efforts to work with the.

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General assembly to uh to reform uh local income taxes.

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In indiana, but I do not at all blame you for wanting to make sure that.

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You take care of your your own constituents. First, that's.

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That's the way it should be really.

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So, mr smith, thank you, mr munson. uh I I want to say that uh mr hollam's.

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uh Comments, um I thought that made a lot of sense that we zero.

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Out the qsps and.

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It it goes to the municipalities that that seems to give the money to.

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The folks who should be administering it closer to uh who needs it.

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So be having said that the question I really wanted to ask was.

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If, if something like that, if we would do something like that, does.

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That encourage consolidation.

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Does that have do we think that has any influence on.

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Encouraging consolidation, which appears to be.

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What is recommended- and I don't know the answer to that- does anybody have any.

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Thoughts- I doubt it, I think everyone talking.

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About consolidation is already talking about consolidation.

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Yeah, I would agree, I think, you've seen about as much as you're going to see when the last two wind up joining yeah, benton benton's.

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Having their first public meeting today, I believe to move forward on consolidation.

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Well, thank you that was uh that was very helpful for.

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uh Answers to that question. Thank you. Good.

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So other questions or comments.

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And I think that I think this uh committee should.

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Entertain a motion to uh adopt the funding proposal.

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Any are there any.

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I think mr oldham had something else to say: no good. That's fine.

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Oh, I was just gonna move uh adoption of the funding proposal brought forward by.

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The county council for the qsps.

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Is there a sec? We have a motion in a second.

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Is there a discussion on this motion.

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Is their public comment.

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While I well, we have a very silent chat. Yes, uh if any member of the public wants.

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To make a comment, just type into chat, to indicate that you'd like to speak and.

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I will unmute you and you can also use the raise hand.

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Function and while while we wait for any members of the public, I don't know if committee member stan blurry had a a.

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Question or comment no go ahead. I have a. I have a point of.

L

uh Order I'd like to ask yes.

L

um Thank you um if we want to entertain so.

L

Council, member uh piedmont smith uh made a motion to.

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Approve it! What if, if I wanted to make a motion to zero out.

L

E

Vote no, okay! Well! Thank you.

L

Yeah I appreciate it.

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Other questions or comments, or one could move to.

G

Modern move to amend that number. The vote, no is not the only in-order.

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Response one could, if one wanted amended to some other number.

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And I I've not received any uh requests for public comments.

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Okay, miss gamboluri, you you raised your hand.

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um Yes, thank you. I I appreciate the comments that you've all made.

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And jeff mckim. I especially appreciate your comments. I hope you run for our.

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State house someday, um you can change all the laws that are.

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Difficult um and I want to hearken back to you to.

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Something cheryl said earlier, and you mentioned a concern about.

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Revenue in 2021 um right there with you, you know the.

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City has that concern as well too. So if.

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If I seem cautious or if I seem hesitant um to make capital improvements outside.

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City limits- that's in part what it's about, um so I would.

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Just offer that thought, and just to summarize.

H

The motion we have on the table right now is to approve the 568-856.

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And another option would be to zero out the township.

H

As ron suggested, is that correct, but we only have one motion on the table.

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We only have one motion on the table and it's three hundred fifty three thousand.

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Seven hundred seven hundred oh wrong back sorry.

H

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B

And just to clarify, I assume the motion.

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Would not just be for this amount, but also for the purposes that were.

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Read off by committee member mckim earlier in the meeting.

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Here in the sheet, yes, it's we did approve the.

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Dispatch correct as well: okay,.

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Other questions or comment: miss piedmont, smith,.

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Yes, um I wanted to just explain why I'm going to vote no on this.

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Motion- this is my fourth year as a member of this committee, and we.

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Have um my thinking has kind of evolved on.

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The the funding for the qualified service.

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Providers who are outside city limits we did the first year we did provide.

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Some funding the second year we did not because.

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The qsps were receiving funds through central dispatch for the.

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Communications project, which was actually a two-year project.

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And then last year we did provide some funding for.

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The um the breathing apparatus, which uh is essential really.

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To the safety of our firefighters um this year and in the era of covet 19.

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Where we are looking at reduced um revenues.

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For uh city government and all levels of government in in the coming, you know few years.

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um I am becoming very um kind of uh focused on the city's.

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Needs because I am a representative for the city of bloomington and.

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I was not really moved by the urgency uh or by the urgency of the.

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um Requests, I I felt like I mean they in a way you know they are, they are very.

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Important, uh we don't want our firefighters getting.

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Cancer- I don't, I see the the importance of that, um but.

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But as far as the urgency, uh it doesn't rise to the level of.

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um Of uh of the self-controlled breathing apparatuses of last year,.

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So I also, I feel, like the consolidation.

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Of the township fire departments into the monroe.

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uh Fire protection district are an opportunity.

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For residents of the townships to pay their own way as far as fire.

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Protection and uh their entry into the fire.

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Protection district is an opportunity for the for the taxes.

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To go up so that the people who are benefiting from the services are the.

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Ones that pay for the services, um so I I agree with.

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Mr mccammon, I appreciate you saying that that it's the structure of this tax is.

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Is really problematic, um but looking at.

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uh The um the amounts, especially if we have to estimate 90 of.

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Last year's revenue- I just cannot in good conscience, support um the qsps.

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Out of the total um revenue stream from ps, lit.

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Feedback to consider um support from their funds that that would.

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Make more sense to me and of course I encourage the townships.

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um And the fire protection district to look.

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At uh you know, chemo capital funds and.

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Operation funds and increasing tax levies to to meet their needs that way.

E

A

All right other questions or comments.

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Miss gambler just a question from my colleagues at the county um has.

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When, first of all, thank you for reviewing these proposals when you did.

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That was there any consideration given um to focusing on strictly on safety.

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Issues so looking at an exhaust system, for example, but not looking at renovation for two fire stations.

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Or was your process different than that.

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We took into account oh go ahead. Sorry, I think of uh remodeling, which was.

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Proposed by by two departments.

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Is a very valid public safety uh expense because.

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The uh the vehicles must be kept properly sheltered so that they can.

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Be started in out the door in just a minute.

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And as public safety, staffing changes.

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When townships are brought into the district, this, uh this requires.

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Different vehicles than they're used to having as well as different personnel. So mr mccann, I was going to say, we also.

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Took into account there the priorities that the fire departments put.

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Themselves on their um on their requests and we did uh zero out uh a remodeling.

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Request as well, so it wasn't like we, we considered remodeling requests.

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Automatically to be the top priority, we we balanced out.

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I think safety and the priorities of the of the departments and our.

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Recommendations.

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Thank you. Thank you. Both.

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Other questions are.

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Comments and have you seen anybody um in public making wishing to make public.

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Comment by raising their hand or by.

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Submitting the chat.

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I've not seen any uh requests for public comment. We've had a few.

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New folks join the meeting. So if anybody does want to make a public comment on.

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This motion, you can type into chat or use the race.

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Hand function to indicate that you'd like to speak.

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So have we waited long enough? I I do see. I don't know.

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um Mr dillard, I don't know if you uh are asking to comment or if you're telling.

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Me you've you've got to leave already, but if you'd like to make.

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A comment I just unmuted you and you should be ready to uh just speak.

K

Oh hello, all I was just chiming in late night. I wanted to apologize. I had a.

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Conflicting meeting and am unable to comment so sorry, I got.

K

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Okay, thank you.

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So, council, let's, uh let's restate the ocean, mr lucas.

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Can you restate the motion please and we will then move to a roll call vote.

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I believe the motion was to approve the recommended amount uh for funding.

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For qualified service providers, as let me.

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If you'll give me just a moment, we keep changing.

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uh The motion was to approve both the amounts recommended by the county.

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Council and the purposes uh for that funding.

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To be awarded to the qualified service providers, so the amount was 353.

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700 uh to be divided up as displayed on the sheet, and I.

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Repeat the uh the uses of that funding, but.

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This sheet can accompany the uh the record.

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uh Should the motion pass? Thank you. Thank you.

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Let us have a roll call vote, then.

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So if everybody's unmuted, I will start with.

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Committee member uh oldham, no.

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Munson, yes, piedmont, smith, no sims.

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No skin blurry, oh and.

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B

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And that's two to five.

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So, council uh uh representatives, uh we should then consider a motion.

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Yes, mr oldham, uh if you're ready to consider a motion.

J

I would move that zero out through qsp requests.

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Fund central dispatch and divide the rest as according to state law,.

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Discussion on mr oldham's motion.

G

I guess I'm not sure why we even need that motion.

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I mean what we're what we're required to do is consider the qsp.

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Allocation we've already voted on the psap, we're required to.

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Vote on the uh or to consider qsps uh requests and so far we're not.

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Going to consider any qsps or not fund any qsp requests.

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And so I guess I'm not sure and then of course, the rest of the distribution is.

G

According to state law anyway, so I'm not quite sure what this accomplishes.

G

I I think you have to make it cleaner in the long run and finalize what we were.

J

B

I I don't know if jeff underwood has any has any thoughts on the.

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The motion- I I think the same question came up in the past and.

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And uh exactly what committee member oldham just stated.

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um It's just to clarify that uh the committee's recommendation is to.

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Fund peace app at the approved budget that.

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The committee uh looked at earlier in the meeting.

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And then adopt the uh the rest of the the sheet that was displayed and.

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Mr underwood, I don't know if you have anything to add. I would just uh echo.

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What um mr oldham said that it clarifies uh to.

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The um fiscal bodies of the units that receive.

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The funds, uh what a recommend the clear recommendation is.

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And I've now displayed the worksheet with again the 90.

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Revenue amount suggested by the dlgf the approved the amount of the dispatch.

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Budget that the committee voted to approve and then these.

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The rates will will, as committee member mckim.

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Stated will will be adjusted automatically based on the state.

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Formula, but I think a motion in this regard is.

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Is appropriate.

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So we do have a motion and a second other.

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Discussion by the committee members.

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See none. Let me ask for public comment. Please.

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And again, raise your hand with the hand, signal or send a message in chat.

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I see no public comment. Let's bring this back to the committee.

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um If no further questions or comments- and I see none- let's have a.

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Roll call vote.

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I will start with committee member munson.

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No piedmont, smith, yes, sims. Yes,.

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Scam, blurry yeah smith. Yes,.

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Oldham yes and mckim: no.

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The most five to two the motion passes, so thank you, everybody. um We are.

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Definitely in our particular um quadrants that we operate in and.

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This is something I think the legislature will be.

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Will be looking at in terms of funding decisions.

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Okay, we have um minutes to consider on our agenda.

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And I think we've covered everything prior to that. You agree, mr lucas.

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I agree and the uh the motion for minutes is not to approve any any.

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Minutes that are prepared for today it's to authorize the committee chair to approve the minutes of the deliberations of this.

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Year so once those are prepared, the committee has used a similar.

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Procedure in past years, where those minutes are distributed to.

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Committee members to allow for uh review and comment.

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And then the committee chair is authorized to approve those minutes.

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After the committees have had a chance to review those, so um I would assume, sometime before.

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You know the next month or two. Those minutes may be ready and we'll distribute those to the committee uh committee members for review and that.

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Way, we don't have to wait until next year's process to get those uh to the public. So a motion to authorize the chair to.

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Approve minutes after a period of review by the committee would be appropriate.

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Thank you everybody for joining in, like that all in favor.

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Mr mr lucas, it's I'm zoom. You have to do a roll call. I'm sorry.

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uh Committee, member piedmont, smith, yes, sims, yes, scan blurry,.

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Yes, smith, yes, oldham, yes, munson.

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Yes and mckim, yes, thank you and.

B

Just one other item of housekeeping um the committee had scheduled a.

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Thursday meeting this week doesn't look like that meeting will be necessary.

B

um So uh I don't know that we need a motion to cancel, but if the committee.

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Wanted to move to cancel might be a little cleaner and let the public know that that meeting won't take place. Good we've.

H

Already got a notice out for that correct.

H

Yes, we have noticed it I'd like to move that we canceled thursday's meeting.

H

Having completed our business today, thank you. We have a motion and a second.

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Miss mr lucas uh committee, member sims, yes uh mckim, yes,.

B

Scam, blurry yeah smith, yes, oldham, yes,.

B

Munson yes and piedmont: smith. Yes,.

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So that takes care of our housekeeping and now.

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To you committee members: is there any other business or final comments? You.

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Wish to bring up mr smith, I just wanted to say.

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uh Thanks to the county group that reviewed the applications and spent time.

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Doing that and uh to thank everybody on the.

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Zoom call today for all the great discussion I think it's.

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It's a complicated process and um I think, moving forward. um This is a.

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Really good step forward, so uh I I appreciate.

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Everybody's intelligent comments and thoughtful discussion. Thank you.

A

Thank you any others. Miss piedmont, smith,.

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Yeah, um I add my thanks to to ron's for the work of the county.

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Council committee um and the the people participating.

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Today, I also want to thank um our emergency service providers at.

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All levels uh uh in all departments of.

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Monterey, county and and I hope that our vote to not.

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To not recommend funding to the qsps does not mean we.

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We don't very much respect what all service providers do.

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For our greater community and.

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And just thank you for continuing to providing.

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To provide that emergency service, that is.

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So essential in time of need and remember.

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That it's not free and we all have to pay for those services.

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And we sure appreciate somebody coming when we dial 9-1-1.

E

Thank you. Thank you.

A

Other comments or business.

A

Well, I see none do I have a motion to adjourn.

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Thank you, everybody for your participation.

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Thank you especially to uh mr lucas. uh This was his first time.

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Shepherding this and he did a great job. uh Thank you also,.

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To katz and to into city of bloomington.

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I.T for setting up our zoo meeting.

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We are adjourned.

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