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A
B
J
A
A
All
right,
we
have
a
first
and
a
second
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
claims,
pass
next
item
of
business,
examination
of
payroll
registers,
October
21st
2022
for
thirty
five
thousand
six
hundred
seventy
dollars
and
eighty
nine
cents.
Are
there
any
questions
or
comments
from
Commissioners?
If
not
I'll,
entertain
a
motion.
E
I
Obviously,
so
we'll
be
working
on
that
over
the
next
couple
of
months
with
the
holidays,
March
1st
is
very
quick.
Second
you'll
have
rehab
guidelines
to
consider
for
the
November
21st
meeting
have
a
couple
of
those
to
discuss
tonight
so
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
an
update
on
those
and
then
third,
the
city
applied
for
a
grant
through
the
ready
program,
support
infrastructure
development.
I
I
hope
well,
so
this
is
to
support
the
Jacksons
construction
of
a
portion
of
Jackson
Street
that
will
be
just
behind
the
core
building
which
we
hope
to
have
affordable
housing
there.
So
we've
applied
for
that
I've
put
together
the
Grant
application,
along
with
engineering
and
I
hope
to
hear
on
that
by
the
end
of
the
year,
so
that
was
for
almost
two
million
dollars
for
the
construction
of
that.
So
those
are
three
updates
from
him
tonight.
I
A
I
Thank
you
handle
speak
to
that
tonight.
We've
got
our
program
staff
here
with
us:
Cody
toothman,
I'm,
Matt
Swinney.
You
have
before
you
17
resolutions
at
nine
for
physical
improvements,
totaling
785
thousand
dollars
and
eight
for
cdbg
social
services,
totaling
130,
872
dollars.
These
were
approved
by
the
Redevelopment
commission
earlier
this
year.
So
this
kind
of
rounds
out
our
process
for
getting
this
money
started.
I
So
it
takes
a
period
of
time
for
the
funding
agreements
to
be
authorized
until
that
approves
our
annual
action
plan,
which
got
done
in
sept
Timber,
and
so
this
just
allows
the
program
recipients
to
move
ahead
with
their
programs.
They
are
allowed
to
date
back
to
June
1st
for
their
activity
because
that's
the
beginning
of
the
HUD
program
year,
so
these
Agreements
are
simply
to
begin
their
programs.
I
I
haven't
answered
any
questions
about
about
those
you
all
did
approve
these.
Like
I
said
earlier
this
year
we
are
going
to
start
our
2023
round
of
cdbg
in
December,
so
this
process
is
getting
ready
to
start
again
and
so
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
those
and
Larry.
They
were
just
saying
that
they'd
like
to
take
these
all
in
one
block.
That's
for
voting.
K
B
Now
please
so,
since
this
was
new
for
me,
it's
this
process,
so
I
thought
when
we
met
you
know
last
January
and
March.
That
was
we
quickly.
We
ranked
and
chose
I
was
on
physical
improvements
and
Deborah
was
doing
Social
Services,
but
didn't
realize
that
that
was
just
tentative
based
on
the
amount
we
thought
we
would
have.
Then
you
found
out
in
mid-summer
the
actual
amount.
B
So
then
we
went
back
again
said,
add
subtract
re-rank
whatever,
but
then
nothing
happened
till
second
September
when
HUD
said
yeah
approval
for
bloomington's
CBD
grants,
and
so
now
we're
we're
actually
approving
paying
those
various
recipients.
We
picked
specific
amounts,
but
they
don't
get
paid
until
well
and
then
that's
the
next
question.
They
really
don't
take
action
on
this
until
2023.,
so
we
take
a
Year's
process
to
assign
amounts
to
organizations
and
then
the
next
year
they
get
to
do
those
things.
Is
that
correct
a
two-year
process
not.
I
Two-Year
but
they
will
go.
The
program
here
runs
from
June
1st
to
May
31st,
so
we
start
that
process
before
the
program
year,
where
they
can
expend
money
begins
now.
What
inevitably
happens
is
that
June
1st
comes
and
things
aren't
ready
to
go
because
our
action
plan
maybe
has
not
been
approved
this
year.
There
was
a
delay,
as
you
all
remember,
I
think
I
reported
that
we
did
the
action
plan.
I
J
I
B
I
They
understand
that
they
can't
do
that
without
some
risk
until
we
tell
them
you're,
okay
to
back
date
it
to
June.
First,
some
people
won't,
because
if
it's
especially
on
physical
improvements
they'll
do
they
may
do
the
construction
in
a
couple
months
or
something
but
for
social
services.
Some
of
them
will
do
that,
but
some
of
them
won't
they'll
wait
until
they
get
the
funding
agreement
done.
They
just
have
the
program
year
will
end
May
31st.
B
I
On
reimbursements,
so
we're
not
actually
spending
any
money
tonight,
we're
just
authorizing
the
agreements
that
will
allow
them
to
start
that
it
isn't
reimburse
us
they
submit
claims
to
the
office.
Cody
or
Matt.
Does
the
initial
review
then
Christina
and
I
do
the
second
round
and
we
sign
off
on
them
and
they
go
to
the
controller
for
payment
thanks.
I
B
A
C
J
A
I
Correct
Commissioners,
you
do
have
the
printout
of
the
work
write-up.
It
was
done
here
by
staff
and
by
the
contractors,
so
what
we
have
as
a
rehab
at
1017,
West
Howe,
that
does
exceed
the
program
caps,
which
for
an
owner-occupied
rehab.
This
is
what
we'll
be
talking
about
in
a
couple
of
weeks
when
we
look
at
our
guidelines,
other
occupied
rehab
limits
are
38
500.
This
bid
for
the
project
came
in
at
41
000
31.79,
which
is
about
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
over
the
maximum
Grant
amount.
I
When
we
add
in
contingencies
of
10
percent,
the
total
that
we
would
ask
for
your
consideration
of
time
is
45
134.97.
That
scope
of
work
is
quite
extensive
in
all
s:
staff,
Barry
and
John.
Let
me
just
take
a
minute
if
I
may
and
introduce
Barry
Collins
barriers
come
on
as
our
part-time
program
staff
to
work
on
rehabs,
which
has
been
a
great
asset
for
the
Department
of
berry.
I
I
B
F
E
I
And
just
about
our
construction
costs
generally
so
and
they've
been
the
guidelines
that
are
in
place
have
been.
Those
caps
have
been
in
place
for
quite
a
while
and
so
don't
probably
reflect
sort
of
the
more
modern
cost
estimates.
So
we're
seeing
things
you
know:
7
500
is
10,
and
this
you
know
38.5
is
we're
probably
looking
at
raising
that
to
50
for
enough
wiggle
room
in
there.
So
it
generally
is
and.
E
I
I
One
should
be,
it
would
be
okay
under
the
caps
for
under
our
expect
rehabs.
Those
are
the
bigger
jobs
for
38.5
emergency
home
repair.
Are
you
know,
we're
I
think
we
did
one
earlier
this
year
for
12
000
when
it
was
that's
7
500,
so
we're
gonna
return
it.
The
one
we'll
consider
at
the
end
of
the
agenda
tonight
is
an
anomaly.
I
would
say:
Okay
yeah,.
F
So
there
was
a
trip
to
the
historic
preservation
commission
for
permissions
to
do
some
of
the
scope
of
work
that
would
be
under
the
purview
of
the
HPC
they
passed
through
that
and
have
you
know,
have
the
permissions
in
place
to
make
make
those
changes
to
the
exterior
of
the
structure,
basically
taking
the
vinyl,
siding
and
off
of
the
house,
and
some
of
the
aluminum
cladding,
that's
on
the
front
porch
and
returning
it
to
a
more
traditional
Bungalow
style
for
that
neighborhood.
As
part
of
this
scope
of
work.
F
J
A
H
H
So
working
through
that
with
with
Shrewsbury
we
basically
knowing
that
it
was
almost
complete
redesign.
We
went
item
by
item
through
their
contract
of
everything
that
was
the
original
included
in
the
original
contract
and
the
in
the
same
hours
to
start
the
design
over
basically
and
knowing
the
scope
of
this
contract.
We
also
had
a
number
of
allowances
that
were
available
in
it,
and
so
this
change
order
is
significantly
reduced
from
the
total
actual
cost,
because
we're
realizing
some
of
the
budgets.
H
Some
of
the
I
just
said
the
word
and
I'm
blanking
on
it
for
a
moment
had
some
of
the
allowances
that
were
still
that
were
able
to
deduct
out
of
the
contract.
And
then
there
were
some
additional
items
that
were
added.
We
added
security
and
surveillance
systems
for
for
the
greenway,
the
the
linear,
Park
and
then
and
then
well,
yeah,
the
new
plaid.
What
else.
H
Those
are
really
the
major
items
that
were
changed
from
this
and
so
that,
after
deducting
for
the
unused
allowances,
the
total
change
ended
up
being
35
637
dollars,
creating
a
new
contract
not
to
exceed
amount
for
the
entire
project
of
one
million.
Eighty
four
thousand
five
hundred
and
Seventeen
dollars
a
variable
for
any
questions.
B
Question
when
you
talk
about
the
security
systems
for
the
greenway
I
presume
those
are
permanent
installations.
Those
are
not
the
temporary
stuff,
like
we've
done
with
the
Legacy
Hospital
space,
temporary
security,
roving
cars
and
men,
but
this
is
permanent.
This
is
what
we
want
to
be
in
there
for
the
when
the
greenway
is
functional.
Have
people
walking
up
and
down?
Is
that
correct
that.
H
H
So
basically
we
needed
to
provide
fiber
for
the
cameras.
So
then
added
wireless
access
points
for
the
area
also,
and
then
this
includes
basically
a
waterproof
enclosure
that
will
be
on
site
where
everything
terminates
to
and
then
that
all
follows
the
normal
fiber
City
fiber
system
that
goes
to
be
recorded
and
is
also
I.
Believe
I
haven't
seen
it
myself,
but
was
told
at
the
police
department
in
the
entry
there's
multiple
screens,
and
it
will
be
part
of
that
system.
C
H
This
is
my
first
one,
I've
been
part
of
the
design
four,
but
the
the
city
has
used
on
multiple
of
these
applications.
A
company
named
Presidio,
and
this
is
part
of
their
standard
design.
So
what
what
we
really
looked
at
is
is
field
of
view
where
the
trees
are
located,
where
you
know
things
like
The
Umbrellas
to
the
stage
would
block
a
view.
H
The
Pavilion
structure
itself
would
block
a
view,
and
so
it's
it
I
think
it
depends
on
on
grade
and
then
other
obstructions
and
so
we're.
Basically,
the
rea,
the
landscape
architect
for
the
project
had
a
3D
model,
including
the
trees
for
this
project.
It
trees
at
a
certain
stage
in
growth,
it's
hard
to
estimate
exactly
how
they
will,
but
we
were
able
to
use
that
300
result
and
basically
set
cameras
and
look
to
reveal
deals
for
that.
H
I
am
not
from
aware
of
a
formal
City
policy
regarding
it.
I
think
Parks
looked
at
this
very
similar
to
to
switch
yard
and
basically
the
same
steps
that
were
taken
at
switch
yard
were
kind
of
being
replicated
here.
When
we
initially
looked
at
the
project,
we
thought
to
just
provide
the
ability
to
to
install
these
in
the
future
and
then,
as
it
developed.
We
realized,
providing
the
ability
and
actually
putting
in
the
equipment
is
not
significantly
different
in
cost.
H
C
H
A
D
E
K
So
I
think
what
we
could
commit
to
easily
is
commit
to
certainly
bringing
up
the
route
like
putting
a
pin
in
that
and
like
bringing
a
review
of
that
those
dollar
amounts
and
like
how
those
are
going
to
be
used
in
personal
privacy.
Now
I,
don't
know
if
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
approve
it
contingent
upon
I
mean
unless
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
the
commission
wants
exactly
do
you
want
a
resolution
that
says
this
is
the
placement
of
the
camera.
K
These
are
going
to
be
the
placement
of
the
cameras
and
here's
an
analysis
of
the
legal
review,
or
do
you
want?
Would
you
rather
have
us
do
kind
of
come
up
with
a
report
of
where
those
cameras
are
going
to
be
placed
and
the
assurances
that
we
would
take
to
protect
privacy
and
then
deliver
a
report
back
to
the
RDC
about?
This
is
how
we
have
pledged
to
kind
of
deal
with
this
particular
issue.
I
just
want
to
understand.
What's
I'll.
C
My
suggestion
would
be
that
there
needs
to
be
a
policy
in
place
that
is
larger
than
this
specific
site.
That
would
be,
of
course,
applied
to
this
site,
but
that
this
is
a
question
that
obviously,
is
not
limited
to
only
this
site,
because
we've
got
25
acres
of
this
space
that
may
have
other
cameras
into
play.
So
if
we
have
it
contingent
only
on
something,
that's
specific
to
these
three
cameras,
that's
not
really
addressing
the
larger
issue,
so
I'm
kind
of
asking
slash
proposing.
K
So
you
know,
as
Patrick
kind
of
indicated,
the
the
primary
use
of
cameras
in
the
city
happens
a
lot
of
parks,
property,
which
is
under
the
control
of
the
Parks
Board
and
specific
to
their
policies,
and
so
that
that's
where
I'm.
That's,
where
I'm
kind
of
struggling
with
that.
In
terms
of
how
to
deal
with
that.
I
welcome
a
further
conversation
about
how
we
deal
with
that.
How
we
could
work
with
the
Parks
Board,
because.
K
Do
have
ultimate
authority
over
their
properties
and
where
they
put
cameras
in
their
policy
for
cameras
as
it's
set
up
under
the
the
state
statutes.
Where
you
know
same
with
you
here,
which
is
this
is
this
would
be
your
property,
although
potentially
this
Greenway,
once
it's
turned
over
just
to
be
very
clear
once
it's
turned
over
to
you.
If
the
parks
department
is
going
to
manage
this,
this
would
ultimately
be
signed
over
to
the
Parks
Commission
to
to
manage
and
kind
of
lease
under
that
same
policy.
K
So
I'm
happy
to
report
back
to
you
and
get
that
information
for
you
from
Parks
and
kind
of
see
what
their
policy
is.
I
can't
speak
too
intelligently,
I
apologize,
commissioner
and
and
I
think
that
might
help
address
some
of
those
broader
concerns
in
terms
of
a
city-wide
policy.
That's
kind
of
a
different.
C
Person
space
since
that's
a
very
dominant
area
of
a
mix
of
public
and
private
space,
of
which
public
funds
are
being
invested,
some
of
which
are
coming
through
the
RDC
or
as
RDC
as
owner
of
the
property
and
So.
Currently
until,
like
you
said
it
may
be
turned
over
at
some
point
to
another
city
agency.
C
But
even
if
it's
a
policy
that
just
says,
we
recognize
that
this
is
a
mix
of
public
and
private
space,
and
you
know
what
the
communication
is
supposed
to
do
like
with
private
owners,
so
that
they
understand
that
those
security
cameras
exist,
and
you
know
again,
I'm
sure,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
angles
in
terms
of
managing
the
privacy
concerns
that
come
up.
But
even
if
it's
eventually
Parks
it
takes
it
over.
That
Dynamic
exists.
No
matter
what
so
trying
to
recognize
and
consider
what
would
be
appropriate
to
address
that
before.
A
A
You
know
one
thing
that
I'll
just
throw
out
there
that
that
could
help
us
a
little
bit
is
my
perspective.
What
I'm
interested
in
is
just
understanding
the
plan
on
how
privacy
considerations
are
going
to
be
addressed
for
these
cameras
and
any
other
cameras
that
that
we
would
be.
You
know,
looking
to
approve
funding
for
going
forward
on
this
particular
project
and
that
can
be
shared
at
maybe
a
future
meeting
or
a
future
discussion
for
consideration
so
as
to
not
hold
up
this
resolution.
B
Is
it
appropriate
for
us
to
say
we
go
ahead
with
the
resolution
which
is
spending
money
on
on
this
new
contract
with
its
plans
and
but
in
retrospect,
saying
still
we
just
want
to
learn
back
from
the
parks
department
or
the
planning
or
Shrewsbury
what
the
plans
are
and
we'll.
If
we
disapprove
of
them,
then
what
do
we
do?
We've
already
said:
go
ahead
and
spend
the
money,
or
can
we
take
security
out
of
there?
C
J
H
K
Might,
oh,
no,
so
I
think
that's,
that's,
probably
that's
an
excellent
point
about
the
design.
So
what
I
would
suggest,
though,
in
terms
of
even
before
the
construction
phase,
because
clearly
this
is
a
conversation
you're
all
very
interested
in
before
the
construction
phase?
Why
don't
we
and
John?
We
can
take
this
to
the
thing.
While
we
have
a
discussion,
we'll
make
a
specific
presentation
over
security
of
the
site.
What
our
concerns
are,
what
the
liability
is
and
the
potential
privacy
elements.
K
Why
don't
we
plan
on
doing
that
as
a
separate
presentation,
if
that's
all
right
with
the
commission
independent
of
this,
and
certainly
ahead
of
whenever
the
Construction
contract
would
come
to
you
all
so
at
a
meeting?
That's
hopefully
not
a
contract,
that's
before
you,
but
but
where
we
can
have
a
broader
discussion
about
the
site
because
it
sounds
like
the
interest
is
the
site
as
a
whole
right,
not
this.
This
particular
little.
J
E
D
A
A
H
Hi
Patrick's
with
engineering
again
Board
of
Public
Works,
is
overlapping,
so
I'm,
covering
for
Matt
Smith.
First
during
the
demolition
process,
we
luckily
only
had
a
couple
of
items
pop
up,
demoing
a
large
site
like
this
I,
think
a
little
bit
lucky
but
so
kind
of
walking
through
each
one.
There
were
two
homes
that
were
demolished
previously
by
IU
Health,
along
2nd
Street.
H
H
H
Looking
back
at
an
old
maps
of
the
area,
there
was
a
rail
line
that
cut
through
the
site,
and
it
was
stated
that
one
of
the
buildings
there
was
a
stone
cutting
building
and
we
also
the
the
developer
for
for
the
old
site
next
to
switch
yard.
Night
Moves
had
a
similar
incident
as
they
want
to
start
demoing
for
their
building.
I.
H
Think
we've
learned
that
if
it
we
see
any
signs
of
an
old
stone
cutting
building,
we
should
expect
a
lot
of
limestone
fill,
probably
in
the
area
and
then
the
last
part
was
on
on
one
of
the
Second
Street
homes
that
we
demolished
as
part
of
our
contract.
There
was
a
black
mastic
placed
on
the
CMU,
the
concrete
block
wall
that
when
tested
tested
positive
for
asbestos
but
was
non-friable,
so
we
didn't
have
to
contain
the
site
and
remove
it.
H
C
H
So
in
the
contract
we
had
a,
we
had
three
items
that
were
un
undistributed
quantities.
Basically,
that
means
that
we
won
a
price
for
it,
but
we
don't
know
where,
where
we're
going
to
find
it
or
where
we
might
need
it,
and
so
that
was
for
what
we
thought
we
were
going
to
find
areas
of
contamination,
and
so
we
have
basically
removal
of
under
of
regulated
materials,
disposal
of
regulated
materials.
H
I'm
sorry,
it
was
actually
Four
testing
of
regulated
materials
and
then
also
replacing
the
regulated
materials
that
were
removed.
With
with
B
borrow,
we
found
no
materials
meeting
the
the
regulated
material
classification,
so
those
allowances
will
actually
be
a
deduct
when
we
get
to
the
end.
The
final
change
order
for
the
project.
The
final
quantities
are
still
being
worked
out,
but
we
should
have
a
final
change
order,
hopefully
by
the
next
RDC,
and
so
we
will
have
a
deduct
for
all
of
those.
H
H
H
A
K
L
Yeah,
these
are
kind
of
real
time
moving,
and
so
we
have
to
make
a
couple
of
adjustments,
the
agreements,
but
but
directionally.
We
want
you
to
understand
what
we're
trying
to
do
so
in
both
cases.
So
we've
got
the
trades
District
garage
commercial
space,
which
is
about
4
000
square
feet,
and
then
we've
got.
As
you
may
recall,
we've
got
a
number
of
Bays
that
are
as
part
of
the
Fourth
Street
Garage.
L
So
one
of
the
reasons
we
were
trying
to
push
urgently
on
this
is
because
Hoosier
networks
is
the
lessee
for
the
or
the
tenant
I
guess
for
the
forestry
garage.
It
will
take
them
a
while
to
build
that
out
to
their
specifications.
We
have
temporarily
granted
them
Acts
access
and
just
title
terms
for
using
a
space
inside
College
Square,
which
you
know
is
at
200
South
College.
L
L
L
L
With
that
in
mind,
the
the
slight
delay
on
that
is
not
a
big
deal,
but
basically
the
that
deal
is
that
the
RDC
would
would
actually
help
fund
the
build
out
anything
in
excess
of
what
we
would
be
recommending
to
you
in
terms
of
the
tenant
Improvement.
Anything
in
excess
would
be
paid
back
over
that
same
three
year
period,
but
not
the
Baseline
amount.
We
think
that
that's
fair
and
more
reflective
of
the
Dynamics
of
that
current
space.
So
those
are
the
Contours
of
the
two
deals.
L
So
we
we
in
that
case
the
the
group
which,
as
you
may
recall,
had
been
acquired
by
a
uk-based
company.
They
were
not
interested
in
entering
leases
for
more
than
a
year
and
so,
which
you
know,
I,
think
everybody
understood
that
that
was
just
a
policy
and
that
they
would
likely
be
there
for
for
a
while.
But
but
really
that
was
the
only
commitment
they
were
willing
to
make
and
we
were
sorry
not
to
see
them
as
a
tenant.
L
E
L
Is
a
collaboration
I
actually
and
I
will
come
back
with
a
better
answer
on
that,
but
I
think
that
they
are
affiliated
with
cyclotron
and
so
I.
Don't
know
the
exact
nature
of
the
details
of
their
collaboration.
But
my
understanding
is
that
that
it's
through
that
General
access
point
that
they
are
Affiliated
in
some
way.
L
K
A
K
So,
as
you
all
required
created
a
new
Tiff
District,
the
spider
tip
that
covered
the
Meridian
Mount
Hoosier
networks,
LLC
going
to
build
out
the
fiber
as
part
of
that
this
was
our
first
foray
into
creating
such
a
tiff
that
that
particular
form
of
Tiff.
Normally,
when
you
create
a
tiff
it,
you
also
issue
a
bond.
In
this
case.
It's
a
it
was
a
financing
agreement
with
the
company.
As
part
of
that,
though,
we
we
went
to
outside
specialist
Council
for
the
Tiff
creation
that
was
at
Barnes
and
Thornburg,
and
they
have
those
services.
A
K
Beginning
to
end
so
not
just
the
RDC
part,
it
was
the
creation
of
the
economic
development
plan.
It
was
attending
the
meetings.
It
was
advising
on
the
setup
of
the
financing
agreement
and
the
project
agreement
going
to
the
economic
development
Commission
meeting
going
to
a
city
council
meeting
and
Advising
us
all
throughout
that
that
process,
and
so
it's
kind
of
an
all-encompassing
deal.
It's
not
terribly
unusual
for
these
types
of
fees
to
come
in
and
even
at
this
amount
for
a
bond
issuance
of
this,
so
they're
kind
of
typically
done
in
lump
sum.
A
H
K
J
K
A
They
were
first
in
the
second
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
I
I.
Anyone
opposed
all
right
resolution
passes
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
resolution
22-91
to
increase
funding
for
an
owner
occupied
Rehabilitation
project
at
301,
North
Hopewell.
If
you'd
like
to
speak
to
us
regarding
this
alsoever.
I
President
and
Alaska
staff
for
backup
additional
information.
So
a
number
of
you
know
about
this.
Rehab
I
spoke
to
you
about
it,
sort
of
individually
earlier
this
summer,
just
to
sort
of
get
individual
guidance,
and
we
didn't
at
that
time
need
your
approval
on
the
expense
for
the
rehab.
It
was
under
the
cap,
but
it
was
a
structure
that
we
felt
was
and
in
such
a
state
of
disrepair
that
we
needed
to
spend
money
so
just
kind
of
getting
so
a
little
vetting
and
just
some
guidancing
advice
which
I
appreciated.
I
So
we
authorized
that
work
to
begin
and
excuse
me
I'm
getting
a
little
voice
issue
tonight
too,
so
that
that
work
began
in
the
summer
and
we
were
going
to
spend
as
you'll
see
in
the
resolution
of
that
amount
was
about
28
000
when
the
work
started
and
continued,
we
realized
there
was
a
lot
more
to
the
story
on
what
needed
to
be
done
to
this
house.
It
is
we
found
through
further
investigation.
I
I
do
want
John
Hewitt
to
chime
in
after
I'm
done
and
fill
in
more
professional
and
Technical
expertise
along
with
Barry
Collins.
What
I
might
leave
out,
but
we
found
out
there
were
a
lot
more
issues
here.
There
had
been
an
infestation
of
mice
which
led
to
the
sort
of
integration
of
the
insulation.
The
electrical
is
bad.
The
heat
is
not
ventilating
properly
from
the
floor.
It's
basically
ventilating
into
the
crawl
space,
so
this
house
is
in
in
a
state
now
that
we
feel
much
more
needs
to
be
done.
I
Why
I
called
it
an
anomaly
earlier,
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
backstory
here
as
a
reminder
about
20
years
ago,
we
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
built
provided
this
structure
for
the
resident
through
a
mortgage
through
an
underoccupied
rehab.
That's
how
it
was
done
at
the
time
for
about
fifty
seven
thousand
dollars
and
that's
the
mortgage
that
is
held
on
the
property
right
now.
I
There
are
a
number
of
events,
the
properties
and
the
condition
it's
in
now
requirements
to
go
back.
She
in
her
family
are
past
the
original
HUD
owner
occupied,
where
you
have
time
period,
so
the
clock
has
sort
of
restarted.
She
has
the
same
eligibility
as
any
other
resident
to
come
in
as
long
as
they're
income
eligible
and
ask
for
assistance.
So
that's
why
we're
back
here?
I
Basically,
it's
been
20
years,
she's
there,
and
so
she
came
in
I-
do
want
to
also
say
that
she's
been
getting
some
help
from
our
church.
Community
we've
been
in
communication
with
her
for
quite
some
time,
I've
been
in
touch
with
the
social
services
Community
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing,
there's
sort
of
making
sure
everything
is
where
it
needs
to
be
there.
I
So
we
do
feel
that
we
need
to
proceed
with
work
here.
We
started
work.
We
have
not
expended
twenty
eight
thousand
dollars
yet,
but
we
started
working
have
stopped
work
until
we
have
this
matter
before
you
because
we're
at
the
point
now
we
don't
feel
like
we
can
walk
away
if
you
will
and
we
do
need
to
spend
some
more
money.
We
do
need
your
approval
for
that.
However,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
issues
that
we've
discussed
as
a
staff
this
week.
I
Relocation,
we
do
have
to
be
mindful
of
the
uniform
relocation
assistance
Act
of
1970,
which
requires
because
this
is
a
federally
funded
project,
originally
that
the
relocation
of
assistance
would
have
to
be
comparable.
There's
expenses
related
there.
There
is
the
available,
the
lack
of
availability
of
comparable
housing
for
her.
She
also
has
pets,
so
there's
federal
law.
We
need
to
be
mindful
of
there
and
the
expense
of
that.
I
B
I
I
We
were
originally
we
hold
the
mortgage
on
the
property
we
had
started
work
there.
We
don't
feel
like
it's
in
a
position
to
sort
of
walk
away.
If
you
will
I,
don't
want
to
overstate
that,
because
no
one
on
this
commission
or
on
staff
is
interested
in
seeing
a
resident
sort
of
walking
away
from
anyone.
That's
not
what
I'm
trying
to
say,
but
for
us
to
stop
work
now.
I
think,
would
that
the
better
thing
to
do
everybody's
trying
to
do
the
right
thing?
I
So
the
better
thing
to
do
would
be
to
continue
to
work.
In
our
estimation,
we
cost
it
all
out
and
by
putting
a
second
mortgage
on
the
property,
to
do
that.
So
we'd
have
to
be
mindful
that
she
is
the
homeowner
and
not
not
a
rental,
a
tenant,
and
so
with
that
said,
ask
for
your
consideration.
Mr
Hewitt
has
pictures
years
old
defer
to
Barry.
Obviously,
if
he
has
anything
else,
you'd
want
to
say
both
of
these
guys
are
structural
experts
and
can
exceed
my
knowledge
of
that.
So
I'll
just
ask
them.
F
I
B
J
A
F
F
F
J
F
Would
have
assumed
so
but
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
actually
know
the
100
that
answer
so
see
when
we
started
she
part
of
the
problem
was
the
electricity,
the
electrical
outlets
and
a
number
of
the
lights
fixtures
in
the
property?
Don't
work.
What
you
see
here
is
someone
has
covered
holes
in
the
wall
with
a
shingle
I
pulled
that
shingle
off
to
see
sort
of
what
was
going
on
behind
there.
The
insulation
in
this
particular
wall
was
tattered,
but
somewhat
there,
the
electrical
wiring
was
in
place.
F
It
didn't
look
damaged
from
what
I
could
see
without
tearing
the
whole
wall
out,
but
removing
the
shingle
showed
me
that
the
wiring
was
in
place.
I
wasn't
certain
if
someone
hadn't
crawled
into
her
crawl
space
and
removed
wiring
from
underneath
the
trailer,
but
from
the
underneath,
the
modular
home,
but
that
wasn't
the
case.
The
wiring
is
in
the
in
the
walls.
I
just
was
not.
There
was
no
visible
problem
with
it.
There's
one
of
the
windows
that
we
had
listed
to
be
replaced.
F
F
Here's
a
view
of
the
back
side
of
the
house
with
the
the
stair
from
the
deck
into
the
the
garden,
here's
sort
of
the
wall,
that's
another
another
view
of
the
bathroom
that
you
saw
the
door
in,
so
the
house
was
very
dirty
and
needed
some
needed
us
to
get
in
there
and
clean
out
and
remove
a
lot
of
the
the
stuff
that
was
there
too
figure
out.
What
was
going
on
this
is.
F
This
view
shows
the
kitchen
floor
during
the
time
that
it
was
being
cleaned
and
the
there's
a
sheet
of
plywood
that
that's
there
in
front
of
the
sink
cabinet,
which
is
in
the
background.
This
is
the
cabinet
where
the
sink
is,
and
this
is
just
a
sheet
of
plywood
that
was
laid
on
the
floor
too,
make
it
so
that
someone
didn't
fall
through
into
the
crawl
space.
F
F
So
here
we're
we're
into
the
point.
So
we
we
got
a
a
bid
for
the
repairs
that
were
visible
to
the
eye.
Knowing
that
we
were
going
to
come
into
more
things
that
we
we
couldn't
see
and
didn't
just
tear
out
the
walls
to
find
out
what
was
there
now
we're
this?
This
photo
is
during
the
repair
phase
when
the
rotting
subfloor
has
been
pulled
off
and
has
fallen
into
the
what
they
call
the
like:
an
underbelly
there's,
a
an
actual
membrane
holding
the
insulation
and
the
heat
duct,
and
all
the
that
information.
F
You
know
a
very
durable
fabric.
That's
that's
fastened
to
the
bottom
of
this
structure
so
that
when
you're
traveling
down
the
highway
at
60
miles
an
hour,
all
the
duct
work
doesn't
get
blown
out.
All
the
insulation
doesn't
get
pulled
out
of
the
out
of
the
bottom
of
the
structure.
So
everything
that
you
see
here
in
these
photos
is
sort
of
laying
on
this
membrane
and
it's
just
kind
of
bellied
down
and
holding
up
what's
in
the
place.
M
Like
modular,
thank
you
yes
and
if
I
may
I
mean
this
is
like
going
to
bring
down
before
that
wasn't
manufacturer
manufactured
homes
have
not
built
to
the
same
specifications
as
a
stick,
build
traditional
home,
but
now
this
is
on
the
foundation
and
we
have
what
we
have.
We
have
to
bring
that
up
to
today's
code,
which
really
is
is
lending
to
the
expense
of
this
place,
because
you
know
there's
basic
structural
elements
to
the
house
that
are
going
to
have
to
be
required
to
be
installed
that
weren't
there
before.
M
So,
even
if
we
were
just
going
a
typical
repair
job,
you
would
have
to
put
those
Corner
bracing
in
to
make
the
half
state
and
by
code
I
mean
some
of
these
things
happen.
Most
of
these
buildings
structures
have
to
be
upgraded
and
that's
why
we're
running
into
the
problem,
as
as
they
remove
something?
We
find
something
else,
and
it's
due
mainly
to
the
to
the
Romans,
but.
D
C
I
D
A
So
just
a
quick
question,
so
the
homeowner
owns
this.
She
has
title
to
this
property
right
and
the
city
is
the
lender
on
the
property.
Is
that
right?
Yes,
okay
and
the
monies
that
are
needed
to
be
invested
in
this
property?
How
do
we
know
that
there
won't
be
additional
monies
down
the
road?
How
do
we
know
the
the
care
of
this
property
will
be
such
that
you
know
we
won't
be
talking
about
this
again
sure.
Well,.
I
We
don't
you
know,
we
can't
predict
everything
as
you
as
you
point
out.
We
do.
We
would
like
to
ask
the
resident
to
have
annual
or
twice
a
year
inspections
like
we
would
well.
We
don't
expect
our
own
properties
more
than
once
a
year,
but
we
would
ask
for
for
stipulations
like
that.
Moving
into
additional
commitment
here,
because
we
understand
it's,
it
is
a
big
one.
She
is
the
homeowner,
so
there
are
things
like
that.
We
would
ask,
but
you
can't
predict
everything
we
can
do
our
best
to
monitor
it.
I
I
A
I
I
would
I
can't
disagree
with
your
logic.
I,
don't
know
if
it'd
be
a
similar
amount,
but
I
mean
we
their
risks
involved
with
this
for
sure
and
anytime
we're
rehabbing
any
homeowner
owned
property.
That's
what
we
we
engage
in
that
that
risk.
This
is
a
larger
amount
of
money,
but
we
do
a
lot
of
rehabs
that
are
for
homeowners,
and
we
don't
require
these
inspections,
so
it
is.
It
is
assumption
a
risk
you're
right
about
that.
How.
I
I
I
I
B
C
A
J
A
F
J
C
Because
modular
and
Manufacturing
just
have
different
construction
standards,
in
addition
to
whether
they're
on
a
foundation
or
not
because,
frankly,
most
mobile
homes
don't
have
a
wheels
and
a
pull
bar
on
them
right.
They
don't
even
if
anyway,
so
I
just
wanted
to
know
in
terms
of
using
the
terminology
consistently.
Because
it
helps
me
understand
what
we're
talking
about.
C
B
I
To
the
president,
Canary's
question
was
that
does
it
make
a
difference
on
the
title
we've
determine?
This
is
a
title
real
estate
property,
because
it's
on
a
permanent
foundation
as
to
the
original
Construction
I
I
would
say
that
the
sort
of
evolution
of
that
industry
has
been
has
changed
and
that
manufactured
homes
are
Maybe
that,
depending
on
the
size,
you
know
they're
manufactured
in
pieces
and
brought
and
constructed
in
different
ways.
B
F
F
As
as
we
are
working
on
it
now
during
during
one
of
the
discussions
at
the
site
with
the
contractor
and
the
electrician
last
week,
when
we
were
soliciting
more
information
and
and
costs,
we
had
the
Building
Commissioner
from
Monroe
County
there
at
the
site
and
basically
his
his
point,
was
whatever
this
was
when
it
got
set
on
this
site.
It
is
now
required
to
meet
because
you're
giving
a
building
permit
to
make
these
repairs.
F
You
are
now
working
on
a
home
that
must
meet
the
requirements
of
the
international
residential
code,
which
is
what
applies
to
single-family
homes.
So,
yes,
and
it
I
guess,
I
should
have
maybe
answered
her.
The
counselor's
question
was
that
answer
at
the
time,
instead
of
sort
of
sitting
here
with
a
stupid.
Look
on
my
face.
J
C
F
There's
there's
an
actual
term
for
it,
but
it's!
It
is
basically,
as
you
say,
retrofit,
making
it
bringing
it
up
to
current
code
because
of
the
extensive
nature
of
the
work,
that's
being
done
as
as
Barry
said,
something
about
lateral
bracing.
This
this
building
was
constructed
in
a
in
a
building
and
every
piece
of
it
that
went
together
was
glued
and
stapled
together,
and
so
as
they
take
it.
F
Apart,
they're
removing
glue
from
all
of
the
the
structural
members
and
then
replacing
that
glue
as
they
would
with
screws
and
glue
in
a
new
home.
But
the
nature
of
removing
the
glued
on
drywall
is
then
going
to
require
some
lateral
bracing
be
put
in
to
replace
the
glue
that
provides
structure
to
the
to
the
building.
I
That
would
need
a
rehab.
So
a
lot
of
times
they're
dealing
with
for
owner
act
by
the
rehabis
like
a
foundation
issue
HVAC,
is
pretty
low
for
owner
occupied
rehab,
but
I
know
one
we're
dealing
with
a
with
a
foundation.
Now
there's
roofs.
We
also
have
the
home
modification
for
accessible
living
where
we
can
help
those
who.
J
I
That
we
could
find
in
the
time
period
we
are
dealing
with
here.
I
did
talk
to
the
Housing
Authority.
Now,
there's
a
Section,
8
availability
right
now,
I
think
to
the
extent
possible,
it
would
behoove
us
to
see
what
things
look
like
long
term
for
the
resident
and
we're
happy
to
sort
of
pursue
that
we
started
down
that
path,
but
knowing
that
there
was
anything
immediate,
we
sort
of
had
to
manage
our
time,
but
did
talk
about
that
and
we
do
have
to
respect
her
right
as
a
homeowner.
I
What
we
could
do
you
know
sort
of
she
wants
to
stay
there
and
has
the
right
to
stay
there.
Then
you
know
the
goal
of
the
rehab
programs
is
to
preserve
home
ownership
and
keep
people
in
their
homes
and
try
to
do
that
safely.
It's
you
know.
A
lot
of
the
issue
here
is:
is
safety
thanks,
very
and
so
we're
trying
to
make
sure?
That's
that's
where
it
needs
to
be
so.
A
A
I
That,
in
the
interest
of
what
kind
of
precedent
we
set
here,
it's
you
know
like
it
was
very
instructive
for
me
and
to
hear
at
the
very
same
time
we
were
dealing
with
this
we'd
started
here
and
this
other
house
that
we
had
said
at
the
asset.
We
can
walk
in
here
and
see
that
it's
there's
no
feasible
way.
We
can
work
on
this
property
for
the
amount
of
money
that
we
typically
invest
in
this
program.
I
This
one's
a
little
different
because
of
the
interest
in
the
property
we
already
have
and
what
we'd
already
started
and
I
do
think.
That
is
that
sets
it
aside
a
little
bit
if
that's
telling
another
homeowner.
Unfortunately,
we
can't
help
you.
This
is
there's
no
feasible
way
here,
so
that
does
these
happen
simultaneously,
and
that
was
at
least
instructive
for
me,
yeah.
B
So
with
this
house,
if
there
was
no
history
for
the
homeowner
pinning
condition
comparing
it
to
the
one,
you
just
rejected
that
we
would
not
do
any
work
to
help
them
because
it
was
in
such
bad
shape.
If
you
knew
all
this
stuff
that
you
know
now,
there's
no
history,
but
you
said
no
to
it
too,
as
a
staff.
I
Was
no
history
yeah,
it's
a
great
question,
I'd
like
to
say
yeah,
we
would
have
said
no.
It's
they're,
also
individual
I,
think
I.
Think
under
current
logic,
we
would
have
probably
made
a
strong
case
for
saying
we're,
just
not
able
to
do
anything
here
if
we've
known
everything
at
once,
but
you
know
we
we
really
try
to
make
these
decisions
collectively.
Consider
everything
we
possibly
need
to.
So
I
would
like
to
tell
you
that
yeah
I
would
have
made
the
same
decision
recommendation
I
should
say,
but
they
all
are.
B
B
B
M
M
E
Thanks
so
I
have
just
a
quick
question,
which
is
that
the
minimum
is
listed
here
and
the
resolution
is
a
little
over
eighty
thousand
dollars
and
then
it
says
plus
10,
contingency
and
then
you're
requesting
not
to
exceed
a
hundred
thousand,
which
is
more
than
that
plus
the
10
contingency.
So
are
you
just
wanting
to
make
sure
you
don't
have
to
come
back
to
us
on
this
property?
It
also
you've
added
in
extra
cushion.
I
M
E
I
We're
okay
there
because
we
did
award
the
bid
to
a
contractor,
and
then
these
are
just
change
orders
under
the
same
contract,
so
yeah.
We
feel
like
we've
vetted
that
at
the
beginning,
if
you
recall,
we
had
did
had
some
trouble
getting
folks
to
accept
the
bid
and
some
work
was
required
prior
to
that
to
get
the
work
started.
So
we
feel
pretty
comfortable
with
our
process.