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A
Cindy
canarney
here
staff
present
John.
F
A
F
A
D
E
Me
see
the
yeah,
it's.
D
We
that
just
switching
from
one
account
to
the
other.
D
E
That
was
just
to
give
you
a
little
more
detail
that
was
250
000.
We
committed
to
Summit
Hill
Community
Development
Corporation
of
arpa
money,
American
Rescue
plan
dollars
to
help
with
the
creation
of
the
community
land
trust
that
they're
doing
so
is.
E
A
community
interest
that
will
be
just
throughout
the
city,
it's
it's
operational
support
for
Summit
Hill
to
help
facilitate.
D
The
creation
of
the
land
trust,
okay,
there's
not
one
specific
location
for
that.
That's
overall,
that's
correct!
So
it's
it's
seed,
money
to
start
it
exactly
that's
exactly
what
it
is.
Okay,
so
it's
primarily
for
administrative
issues
to
get
what's
right
started
is
what
it
comes
down
to
yep,
okay
and
then
the
other
question
I
had
in
regards
to
it
was
where
we're
going
over.
It's
just
part
of
the
cbdg
grant
for
Cooperative
housing,
and
then
our
Hoosier
house,
those
are
just
predetermined
monies
that
were
given
through
grants.
That's
right.
D
G
We
did
go
round
and
round
with
them
about
that
particular
thing.
What
they
had
claimed
was
and
I
think
what
we
had
found
is
was
substantial
is
that
it
was
actually
a
worn
out
part
already
that
wasn't
somehow
covered
under
warranty.
That
was,
that
was
a
question.
I
had
too
about
the
elevator
maintenance
and
I.
Don't
remember
the
specific
part,
so
I
could
I.
Let
me
go
back
and
I
can
ask.
G
D
D
I
A
We
have
a
motion
from
commissioner
Hutton.
Is
there
a
second.
F
A
F
A
A
E
Let
me
welcome
our
new
member
from
the
mccse
board
of
school
trustees,
Aaron
cooperman,
so
the
board
is,
as
members
know,
and
just
so
the
public
knows
has
has
an
appointment
to
the
RDC
from
the
school
corporation
that
serves
the
jurisdiction
and
so
trustees,
cooperman
and
Aaron
Wyatt
are
going
to
be
jointly
serving
on
the
RDC,
so
they'll
sort
of
interchangeably
come
to
meetings
and
have
trustee
cooperman
here
with
us.
So
I
want
to
welcome
her
and
we
will
keep
you
informed
and
be
glad
to
have
you
input
from
the
school
board.
E
So
if
you
want
to
say
anything,
Madam
president,
if
now
or
later
would
work
but.
J
I,
don't
really
have
much
to
say
other
than
thanks
for
having
me
here.
I'm
excited
to
learn
more
I,
I
guess
I
should
say:
I
just
got
back
from
Scotland
last
night,
so
I
feel
like
I'm.
Only
half
here
so
I'll
be
more
engaged
next
time.
I
promise.
E
Okay,
as
far
as
other
business
goes,
our
home
ARP
allocation
plan
that
you
all
provided
and
put
on
will
come
down
from
public
comment
tomorrow
and
will
be
submitted
to
HUD
by
the
end
of
the
week.
I
want
to
thank
you
again
for
your
comments.
We
rounded
out
consultation
on
that
last
week
and
I
think
we
have
a
good
plan
to
submit.
E
We
are
still
working
on
filling
staff
vacancies
in
hand
with
assistant
director
and
a
program
manager
position,
as
well
as
a
neighborhood
compliance
officer,
so
we're
all
the
HR
process
is
rolling
in
different
stages
with
all
three
of
those
and
then
our
annual
action
plan
for
HUD
to
facilitate
the
expenditure
of
our
community
development
block
grant
dollars
and
our
home
dollars
will
be
it's
up
for
public
comment
now
as
well
and
we'll
be
up
until
April
10th
and
then
we'll
submit
that
to
happen
by
April
15th.
E
So
that's
up
for
public
comment
on
the
website
in
the
lobby,
at
the
library
and
asking
people
to
submit
comments
to
the
hand
email
address
or
to
give
us
a
call
if
they
have
any
questions
or
comments
about
that.
So
that
concludes
my
report.
E
I
do
have
something
under
the
business
development
report
that
I
can
either
do
now
or
when
you
get
there
so
Mr
Crowley
wanted
me
to
let
all
of
you
know
he's
not
able
to
attend
tonight,
but
he
did
when
I
follow
up
on
your
recent
a
recent
meeting
we
approved
a
Rite
of
entry
for
the
Fourth
Street
Garage
to
facilitate
an
art,
an
Art
Exhibit
that
is
now
open.
E
It
will
remain
open
until
May
10th,
the
Gallery
hours
are
Thursdays
and
Fridays
from
three
to
six
and
Saturdays
from
one
to
four-
and
you
told
me
today,
it's
an
exciting
exhibit
they
have,
and
just
let
me
ask,
do
you
know
if
you
have
questions
about
4G
a
summary,
but
that
is
happening
after
you've
all
approved
the
right
of
Entry
there,
so
yep
great
yep,
so
we're
moving
along.
So
that
concludes
my
report.
Unless
there
any
questions.
E
G
Just
a
couple
of
ideas:
Commissioners,
the
first
one
I
just
want
to
draw
your
attention
to.
We
received
an
invoice
for
some
work
that
was
done
at
College
Square,
it's
actually
with
Cassidy
electrical.
It
was
for
some
upgrades
to
the
electrical
system,
I'll
be
bringing
a
resolution
at
the
next
one,
but
those
upgrades
were
more
than
five
thousand
dollars,
so
just
over
five
thousand
dollars,
five
thousand
six
hundred
and
thirty
five
dollars
and
nine
cents.
So
I
just
wanted
to
alert
the
commission
to
that.
G
G
That
requires
your
approval,
so
we
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention
just
to
let
you
know
that
the
work's
been
done,
but
we'll
bring
a
resolution
for
you
all
to
ratify
that
upgrade
to
the
College
Square,
and
it
really
was
it's
to
the
the
electrical
system
as
a
whole
to
to
kind
of
improve
the
way
the
system
was
not
holding
the
load
from
all
the
tenants,
including
the
fire
department.
Very
well.
So
there
were
some
necessary
upgrades
to
that
that
needed
to
be
made.
So
that's
the
first
item.
G
The
second
item
is
in
regard
to
on
just
a
second
here
resolution.
2325
and
I
sent
this
around
an
email,
but
just
to
memorialize
for
the
public.
We
had
originally
scheduled
an
executive
session
today
for
4
30,
but
I
had
neglected
to
put
the
notice
out
into
the
atrium,
which
is
required
under
Indiana's,
open,
Open,
Door
law,
and
so,
as
a
result,
we
canceled
that
meeting.
Part
of
that
discussion
was
also
going
to
be
some
of
the
elements
around
the
negotiations
of
2325.
G
So
what
we
have
decided
to
do
is
to
pull
that
from
the
agenda
tonight
and
postpone
until
our
April
3rd
meeting
and
hold
those
discussions
together.
So
we
will
plan
on
scheduling
and
noticing
a
4
30
executive
session,
and
hopefully
you
all
are
available.
We'll
have
Christina,
because
Christina's
actually
good
at
this,
as
opposed
to
me,
reach
out
to
each
of
you
to
make
sure
that
you're
available
and
ready
for
that.
But
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
heads
up
of
the
change
in
the
agenda
for
the.
A
First,
all
right,
thank
you,
sir
Treasures
report
tonight.
Thank
you
and
Mr
Zody
did
the
business
development
updates
so
we'll
move
on
to
new
business.
C
J
G
A
placeholder
and
then
a
new
agenda
item,
while
I
was
out
of
town
got
added,
and
so
it
just
didn't
get
replaced
in
the
the
number.
So
you
actually
approved
a
2326
which
I
believe
was
a
plat
Amendment,
and
then
this
was
just
left
as
a
placeholder.
So
I
didn't
want
to
waste
any
numbers,
so
we
just
kept
23.25
and
it'll
be
23.25
next
time,
so
I
apologize
for
the
confusion,
but
just.
A
All
right:
let's
move
on
to
resolution
23-27
approval
of
match
funding
for
resurf
scene
of
Winslow
we'd
like
to
speak
to
this.
K
I
mean
Mass
Mathers
with
the
engineering
department.
The
Winslow
project
will
include
the
resurfacing
of
Winslow
from
Walnut
to
Allendale
Drive.
It
also
will
include
installation
of
ADA
Compliant,
curb
ramps
at
five
intersections
and
make
improvements
to
some
damaged
sections
of
sidewalk
and
improve
safety
at
the
Winslow
Allendale
intersection
City
received
two
bids
for
this
project,
with
the
low
bid,
the
infirm,
Milestone
contractors
and
the
amount
of
474
thousand
seven
hundred
and
twelve
dollars.
K
The
Board
of
Public
Works
approved
the
contract
with
Milestone
other
medium.
Last
week,
the
funding
for
this
project
comes
from
a
community
Crossing
Grant,
which
requires
a
50
50
split
on
the
local
match.
K
G
In
the
Tiff,
and
then
part
of
it
is
just
a
joining
to
the
Tiff,
so
the
function
here
or
the
the
the
primary
reason
why
you
can
pay
for
this
out
of
Consolidated
Tiff
funds
is
if,
if
it's
in
or
serving
the
Tiff,
the
public
improvements,
we
see
this
as
serving
the
Tiff
we've.
We've
worked
with
this
particular
area
already
to
upgrade
some
of
the
multimodal
transportation
so
specifically
widening
the
the
sidewalk
and
the
access
that
was.
G
Out
of
the
Tiff
and
partially
in
the
Tiff,
when
you
go
into
Henderson
and
things
like
that,
so
this
is
kind
of
a
similar,
a
similar
section.
Some
of
the
intersection
improvements
here
are
technically
outside
of
the
Tiff,
but
we
see
them
as
serving
the
Tiff,
because
they're
part
of
that
same
Improvement,
several.
D
D
B
G
It's
not
defined
in
statute
what
that
means.
So
what
what
we've
looked
for
for
stuff,
like
this
isn't
really
connected
to
the
Tiff,
particularly
when
it's
a
corridor
who
lives
there?
How
how's
the
corridor
access
is
that
a
business
access
that
might
improve
some
of
that
commercial
development
of
the
tip?
So
that's
kind
of
one
aspect:
we've
seen
this
part
of
that
I
will
say
there
have
been
some
parks
projects.
G
For
instance,
we
have
a
Griffey
Dan
project,
that's
outside
of
the
Tiffin
and
the
reason
why
we
believe
like
something
like
that
not
to
get
too
far
afield
is
serving
the
Tiff.
That's
a
little
bit
different
than
like
the
main
Corridor
of
infrastructure
is
because
of
of
how
it
can
attract
Economic,
Development
and
kind
of
development
inside
the
Tiff.
So
is
this
an
attraction
that
is
used
by
people
within
the
Consolidated
Tiff
and
is
is
a
feature
that
you
might
hold
up
when
you're
promoting
the
economic
development
of
a
Consolidated
Tiff.
G
So
those
are
kind
of
the
factors
there
are,
of
course,
more
factors
to
look
for,
but
those
are
kind
of
the
primary
like
basic
factors.
Is
it
connected?
If
we're
talking
about
pure
infrastructure
and
it's
going
to
support
that
or
is
it
an
element
that
might
be
used
by
people
within
the
Consolidated
Tiff
and
promote
the
economic
development
there,
if.
B
G
So,
ahead
of
time,
usually
the
questions
we
ask
are
are:
is
it
something
that's
actually
used?
So
is
there
numbers
about
how
many
people
who
might
live
within
that
Consolidated
tip
for
the
main
city
area,
who's
that
that
so
again,
Griffey's
kind
of
an
outlier,
because
it's
the
only
Lake,
really
that's
owned
and
operated
by
the
city?
We
have
a
park
system
there.
It's
kind
of
unique
in
that
kind
of
feature,
almost
every
other
project,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
some.
G
G
C
Questions
so
one
is
when
we
initially
approved
the
resolution
last
year
for
a
project
review.
We
at
that
point
provided
a
local
match
of
up
to
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
this
is
coming
in
significantly
below
that
so
I'm
just
kind
of
curious
for
more
information
about
why
it
came
in
so
far
below
our
initial
resolution
and
then
the
second
is
it.
Could
you
provide
some
more
information
regarding
the
ADA
compliance
and
accessibility
and
safety
considerations,
I'm
thinking
in
particular,
wait?
Where
does
it?
Where
does
it
end
like?
C
K
First
question:
our
Engineers
estimate
was
for
six
hundred
thousand
and
the
bid
came
in
at
474
000.
So
we're
extremely
happy
with
that.
On
the
second
question,
this
project
ends
sealer
100
or
150
feet
east
of
the
Allendale
intersection.
So
those
stairs
aren't
included
in
this
portion.
I
A
You
can
you
speak
to
kind
of
the
sidewalk
improvements.
K
Sure
there's
a
section
of
sidewalk
on
the
south
side
of
Winslow
close
to
Highland.
There
were
several
trees
right
next
to
the
sidewalk
there
and
The
Roots
grew
underneath
and
heave
the
sidewalk
up.
The
trees
have
been
removed,
somehow
we'll
replace
that
sidewalk
and
I
don't
know.
The
exact
distance
is
around
150
feet
worth
of.
B
D
C
A
H
All
right
good
evening,
everybody
I
am
Tim
Street
and
I'm
the
operations
director
with
Bloomington
Parks
nice
to
be
with
you
again
this
evening.
So
tonight
we
have
a
contract
with
Scenic
Construction
Services
and
the
amount
not
to
exceed
344
700
dollars
to
complete
the
Griffey
Dam
Trail
Crossing
project,
which
was
conceptually
approved
in
resolution
22-6-3
last
year.
H
This
will
construct
approximately
850
feet
of
Trail
construction
and
fence
across
the
top
of
the
Griffey
Dam,
as
well
as
the
construction
of
an
approximately
200
foot,
long
staircase
down
to
the
parking
lot
below
the
dam,
creating
another
access
point
and
helping
us
fulfill
another
stage
of
the
Griffey
loop
trail
project,
which
is
ongoing,
and
we
hope
to
complete
sometime
next
year
with
the
entirety
being
an
approximate
Six
Mile
loop
around
the
West
part
of
Griffey
Lake
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
H
D
H
Well,
that
is
a
project
that
is
in
planning
and
transportation's
hands
is
looking
at,
and
that
was
another
part
of
that.
Bond
actually
was
looking
at
potential
design
for
a
path
along
Dunn
Street
that
could
potentially
get
to
tamarack
and
Beyond
to
the
southwest
corner
of
Griffey.
It
could
potentially
go
past
that
I
haven't
been
too
involved
with
details
there,
so
I
would
defer
to
planning
and
transportation
on
that
aspect.
H
The
other
thing
that
we
as
a
parks
department
have
going
on
is
the
improvements
of
the
actual
hiking
trail
itself
around
the
lake,
and
so
the
first
phase
was
that
we
completed
the
causeway
on
the
east
side
along
Headley
road.
If
you've
been
out
there
lately
it
looks
wonderful
tank.
Thank
you.
The
second
phase
is
this,
and
then
the
third
phase
is
the
actual
Trail
company
coming
in
and
making
the
trail
improvements
connecting.
H
Capital
A
Accessible,
but
more
accessible.
It's
quite
steep
eroded
dealing
with
some
of
the
issues
from
Decades
of
use
out
there
yeah.
H
H
You
know
we
also
hope
this
helps
give
people
a
lot
more
access
to
Griffey.
In
the
summer.
We
often
experience
that
the
parking
lot
at
graffiti
is
install
and
there's
nowhere
to
park,
and
so
we're
hoping
that
by
by
building
this
Trail
and
increasing
access
to
Quality
trails
with
parking
with
a
Trailhead
we'll
be
able
to
give
people
greater
access
to
the
amenities
out
there.
H
Across
the
street,
where
the
water
plant
was
but
on
the
north
side
of
the
street
or
well
Northeast
I,
don't
think
it's
quite
Square
there.
We
actually
already
have
made
some
improvements
just
internally
recently
on
the
parking
lot.
Drainage.
H
Oh
yes,
sorry
I
should
have
mentioned.
We
anticipate
a
notice
to
proceed
in
May
and
work
is
to
be
complete
by
September.
Okay,.
C
E
C
And
is
there
some
I
think
that
the
discussion
about
kind
of
how
to
use
the
Tiff
in
the
context
of
It
kind
of
not
being
if
it's
not
directly
and
the
tip,
is
a
useful
concept.
I
do
think
that
when
we
think
about
Economic
Development,
we
have
to
think
about
quality
of
life,
and
things
like
this
project
help
raise
the
quality
of
life
and
there
I
am
wondering
if
we
have
good
data
on.
C
You
know,
usage
and
kind
of
anything
that
would
back
up
this
kind
of
General
intuition
that
that
increasing
park
services
is
helpful
for
economic
develop
in
the
area.
H
Yeah
great
thought,
I
know:
we've
done
some
similar
comparisons
with
things
like
switch
art,
for
example,
which
obviously
drives
development
directly
around
it
a
little
bit
of
a
different
scenario.
We
don't
want
development
right
around
the
edges
of
Griffey
Lake,
necessarily
because
it's
a
nature
preserve.
That
said,
we
have
talked
about
and
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
it
as
we
formalize
the
new
Trail
and
finish
it
installing
some
things
like
Trail
counters
and
things
like
that.
So
we
can
get
some
better
data
on
the
increased
use.
B
There
any
way
to
consider
other
modes
of
access
I'm
only
thinking,
because
Tiff
districts
in
terms
of
being
established
are
often
based
on
not
just
Economic
Development,
also
the
incomes
of
the
households
that
live
in
that
district
and
if
it's
only
reachable
by
car,
it's
not
that
accessible
and
I'm.
Just
you
know.
B
Obviously,
Griffey
is
one
specific
example:
there's
a
whole
park
system
that
has
differing
arrays
of
access
by
different
modes
of
transportation,
I'm
just
trying
to
again
connect
the
more
abstract
idea
of
how
it
serves
the
Tiff
District,
as
well
as
the
overall
quality
of
life
in
the
community,
and
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
how
that
connection
is
further
strengthened
in
terms
of
the
rationale
of
using
Tiff
funds.
Sure.
H
Well,
another
way
to
access
that
area
would
be
potentially
the
future
done.
Street
improvements
as
we
work
on
connections
North
to
there
for
the
Blue
Ridge
Neighborhood
for
Griffey
for
that
area,
and
then
currently
the
Cascades
trail
system
does
end
at
the
old
water
treatment
plant
there
and
so
from
there.
You
could
connect
all
the
way
over
to
the
Cascades
Golf
Course,
essentially
and
I
can't
say
that
I
can
speak
to
the
condition
of
sidewalks
along
kinzer
right
now
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
so
I'm
not
sure.
C
Would
have
loved
to
have
to
have
a
connect
back
up
through
through
that,
because
there
is
really
good
sidewalks
all
the
way
from
all
the
way,
all
the
way
down,
I
threw
it
that
way.
H
D
A
And
you
know
I
think
from
a
quality
of
life
perspective,
you
could
probably
ask
any
employer
who's
trying
to
recruit
folks
to
Bloomington
that
the
park
system
and
that
investment
that
the
community's
made
is
is
one
of
the
the
features
that
they
leverage
on
a
routine
basis
to
attract
talent
to
work.
You
know
various
businesses
in
Bloomington,
so
I
do
see
the
connectivity
between
this
project
in
in
the
Tiff
I
hear
about
it
all
the
time
from
local
business.
A
G
And
if
I
may
just
stop
the
top
Johnny,
we
can
go
ahead
and
present,
but
I
just
want
to
know.
There
should
be
a
correction
to
this
title.
This
is
actually
the
approval
of
the
ready,
Grant
agreement
itself,
not
just
the
project
review
and
approval
form.
So
any
emotion
should
have
been
that
title
just
to
reflect
that
from
the
most
accuracy
sorry
John
I
didn't
mean
that.
E
No,
please
that's
great
well,
I'll
just
introduce
it
here,
so
is
the
Commissioners
may
remember.
We
had
applied
for
a
grant
for
the
construction
of
about
350
feet
of
Jackson
Street
at
the
Hopewell
project,
so
this
street
would
be
just
north
of
the
existing
core
building
coming
off
of
First
Street
running
East
to
the
parking
garage
to
the
new
University
Street
to
the
north.
E
So
it's
kind
of
a
an
H
that
350
section
bit
of
Street
for
Jackson
Street
to
be
newly
constructed
so
hand
in
the
engineering
department
worked
together
on
putting
together
the
application
for
the
grant,
which
was
approved
and
we're
very
happy
to
get
1.8
million
dollars
for
this
project
and
what
you
have
before
you
tonight
is
the
contract
from
the
state.
So
this
went
through
the
local
Regional
opportunities
initiative
board
from
there.
It
went
up
to
the
state
Administration
for
approval
there,
and
so
this
contract
Larry
can
comment
as
well
as
I.
E
Don't
want
to
call
it
a
template,
but
it's
largely
a
template
from
from
the
state
for
already
projects
and
quite
lengthy
as
you
as
you
know,
but
we
had
a
meeting
on
that
last
week
with
the
folks
from
Roi
Regional
opportunities
initiative,
and
this
is
the
next
step
so
we'd
like
to
get
your
approval
on
this.
So
we
can
move
ahead.
Mr
dirkas
for
it's
from
engineering
to
answer
questions
as
well.
If
you
have
anything
on
the
sort
of
logistical
side
on
the
project
itself,
but
happy
happy
to
bring
this
to
you.
F
These
are
very
practical,
two
practical
questions
rather
than
questions
about
the
project
itself
or
the
ready
Grant
on
the
very
last
page,
159
of
our
packet
exhibit
B.
I
have
two
questions
regarding
numbers.
One
is
the
first
there's
steps
and
descriptions
right
above
the
approval
life,
as
their
steps
go
one
two
three
four
four
so
do
I
presume
that
the
second
four
should
truly
be
step.
Five,
that's
question
number
one.
F
Okay,
question
number
two
is
just
above
that
in
another
text
box
financial
information
sources
of
funds,
this
ready
is
there
with
one
million
eight
hundred
thousand,
then
a
Consolidated
tip
is
crossed
out
and
increased
to
five
million
239
dollars
and
fifty
dollars,
two
hundred
thirty
nine
thousand
fifty
dollars.
So
you
go
down
below
into
the
new
step.
Five
other
related
Hopewell
construction
for
March
should
that
remain
as
five
thousand
zero,
three
nine
thousand
one
hundred
and
thirty,
or
the
increase
to
five
million
two
hundred
thirty
nine
thousand
dollars
and
fifty.
G
It
should
remain,
as
is
so
the
the
estimation
of
the
Jackson
Street
construction
itself
was
the
1.99
million
fund,
and
so
because
we
only
received
1.8
million
from
ready.
We
took
that
money
that
would
have
to
be
covered
for
that
estimate
of
the
full
cost
of
the
project
and
shifted
that
back
over
to
Tiff
funds.
Now
the
rest
of
those
Tiff
funds
really
were
the
broader
matches.
John
talked
about
where
we
talked
about
how
much
we're
putting
into
the
development
as
a
whole,
both
on
phase
one
e
stay
and
the
main
hospital
site.
G
G
Yeah,
we
also
don't
know
what
these
numbers
are
going
to
come
in
at.
So
what
you
see
on
the
project,
review,
form,
aren't
necessarily
and
Patrick,
either
cringe
or
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
you
this
is
an
approval
of
any
of
these
agreements.
Yeah.
We
still
have
to
put
this
out
to
bid
like
we
would
any
other
project,
so
those
final
construction
numbers
will
come
in
and
this
will
shift
based
on
what
we
get.
What
we
do
know
is
we're
getting
1.8
million
from
ready
to
pay
for
part
of
this
project.
E
Both
so
we
will
administer
the
project
itself,
which
will
require
us
to
submit
the
invoices
through
a
system,
2
Roi,
and
then
our
Roi
has
a
portal
that
they
submit
everything
from
us
in
they're
sort
of
a
I,
don't
call
them
a
middleman,
but
a
go-between
with
the
state.
Then
the
state
will
pay
them
back
for
the
funds
that
we
expend
so.
D
E
Are
you
talking
about
I'm,
sorry,
Larry.
Did
you
I.
G
Think
it
would
so
what
it
would
we
would
have
to.
We
would
probably
have
to
pay
the
invoice
up
front
with
City
funds
and
then
Roi
reimburses
us
and
that
will
start
to
cut
down
and
once
we've
reached
1.8
from
ready
or
Roi,
they
are
done
funding
the
rest
of
that
project.
Now
we
we
have
to
give
them
an
estimate
throughout
the
project
and
at
the
beginning
of
the
project.
So
once
we
get
these
bids
in,
we
have
to
share
basically
all
of
the
bid
documents
with
them
and
how
we
went
about
that.
G
We
kind
of
have
an
advantage
over
some
private
actors,
because,
honestly,
the
laws
that
we
have
to
follow
are
in
some
ways
more
stringent
right.
We
we're
used
to
dealing
with
these
kind
of
things.
We
have
to
put
this
out
to
bid,
so
we
really
just
have
to
submit
what
we're
already
required
to
do
by
law,
but
but
it
will,
as
they
reimburse
us,
that
1.8
will
kind
of
shrink
down
as
what's
available
for
the
funds.
G
But
one
of
the
requirements
is
that
we
continue
to
work
and
communicate
with
Roi
and
the
state
iedc
to
kind
of
give
them
the
full
amount
of
the
project.
How
much
local
funds
will
have
to
put
in
whether
we're
capable
of
finishing
the
project
with
the
funds?
As
allocated
things
like
that?
Sorry,
I
hope
that
answers.
D
A
D
C
You
and
just
because
we've
had
that
other
bit
that
came
back
way
over
budget
kind
of.
Is
there
any
expectation
that
that's
going
to
shift
this
particular
bid
as
well
or
how
you're
dealing
with
that
Patrick.
L
The
the
estimate
that
was
put
together
for
this
project
use
the
most
current
bid
prices
that
we
had
at
the
time
and
then
also
put
in
a
sizable
contingency,
I
I'll,
say
our
most
recent
data
point
on
this
was
the
Winslow
project,
which
came
in
significantly
under
our
engineered
estimate,
which
used
very
similar
unit
prices.
L
In
addition,
the
Jackson
Street
project
is
much
more
straightforward
of
a
project.
It
is.
It
is
going
to
be
an
asphalt
road,
concrete
carbon
gutter
standard
storm
system
with
standard
sidewalk,
the
the
Hopewell
project,
Phase
One
East-
is
it's
Unique
that
it's
large
enough
and
has
enough
infrastructure
that
requires
a
certain
size
contractor.
L
Actually,
the
the
main
hospital
site
has
the
most
grading,
that's
going
to
be
required,
and
that
is
part
of
this
Roi
Grant
will
fund
an
overall
layout
of
the
whole
Hospital
site
and
then
focus
in
on
just
the
Jackson
Street
Porsche
needed
to
serve
the
core
Building
Development
and
then
also
provide
utilities
to
extend
on
to
all
other
developments
in
that
area.
D
F
A
C
G
G
Anybody
did
anybody
misunderstand
that
they
were
voting
on
wrong
title
or
is
I.
G
G
Two
things
just
for
General
discussion,
one
just
something
I
admitted,
which
is
recently
the
Bloomington
Municipal
facilities.
Corporation
was
just
as
non-profit.
They
were
a
non-profit
that
held
a
lot
of
property.
We
used
it
as
a
lease
purchase
agreement
throughout
the
city
on
a
variety
of
projects,
including
the
building
that
we're
currently
in
City
Hall,
the
police
station
headquarters,
Third
Street,
widening
of
the
intersection
at
third
and
Kirkwood,
and
that
kind
of
weird
Adams
intersection
that
we
have
there
around
Rose,
Hill,
Cemetery
and
then
also
the
Convention
Center
parking
lot.
G
Those
bonds
have
all
been
paid
off
and
pursuant
to
the
terms
of
the
bonds,
some
of
that
property
reverts
back
to
its
original
owner.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
all
a
heads
up
and
and
we'll
try
to
bring
something
formal
to
you.
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
the
bmsc
approved
the
completion
of
that
transfer
for
you
all,
so
you
all
would
be
receiving
back
the
Convention
Center
parking
lot
as
part
of
your
property
rolls
and
then
also
some
of
that
right
away.
G
Along,
Third,
Street,
potentially
just
under
the
terms
of
the
bond
agreement,
so
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
notice
of
that
things
like
City
Hall
and
the
police
department
were
originally
from
the
city
generally.
So
that'll
go
back
onto
like
the
Board
of
Public
Works
kind
of
normal
City
Rules
of
property.
So.
D
G
G
Don't
yeah
so
they
don't
own
anything
now
and
there's
no
outstanding
bonds.
So
there's
really
nothing
for
them
to
do.
They've
been
a
really
great
source
within
the
community,
and
that
was
a
great
function
that
they
served
for
a
long
time.
That
I
mean
a
lot
of
important
projects,
but
for
the
foreseeable
future.
Unless
that
changes
I
mean
I,
can't
tell
you
forever
and
ever
that
there's
nothing
for
them
to
do,
but
we
don't
perceive,
if
there's
any
other
business
for.
G
I
D
G
Of
course,
usually
Mr
Underwood
corrects
me
because
he's
been
around
so
long
that
he's
seen
all
these
changes
firsthand,
whereas
I
just
read
about
him
in
textbooks,
so
I
I
know
relatively
nothing
and
Jeff
knows
everything.
Is
that.
A
G
So
you
already
own
a
piece
of
it.
You
own
the
piece
immediately
behind
the
convention
center.
What
we're
talking
about
are.
Oh,
actually,
let
me
correct
that
you
own
the
lots
that
are
to
the
south
of
the
convention
center.
There
are
two
watts
of
the
RDC
already
owns
the
piece
of
it
is
right
behind
the
convention
center.
So
the
large
parking
lot,
that's
immediately
behind
the
hotel
area.
That.
J
G
B
I
saw
recently
that
state
code
for
redevelopment
commission
says
that
the
Redevelopment
commission
should
be
approving
and
adopting
a
list
of
real
property
interests
to
be
acquired
and
the
price
to
be
offered
to
the
owner
of
each
parcel
of
interest
and
I.
Just
was
I.
Don't
feel
I
didn't
recall
how
we
had
Incorporated
that
into
our
examination
of
such
real
estate
interests
and
wanted
to
know
how
that's
interpreted
and
done
at
the
local
level.
Yeah.
G
So
let
me
give
you
two
things.
First
of
all,
obviously
that
relates
to
the
potential
purchase
of
23.25
I,
think
it
was
raised
in
that
context,
one
of
the
things
I
think
we've
offered
to
do
is
to
bring
in
both
Corporation
Council
and
outside
counsel,
for
you
at
your
next
meeting
to
be
resources
for
you
to
talk
through
some
of
that
process.
G
Generally,
though,
when
we're
talking
about
that
list,
so
the
statutes
evolved
over
the
years
so
part
of
it
is
that
in
the
formation
of
the
Tiff
we
kind
of
set
out
potential
project
areas
and
what
that
started
out,
as
is
the
Redevelopment
commission,
would
exercise
eminent
domain
itself,
so
it
had
its
own
authority
to
exercise
eminent
domain,
and
that's
where
the
list
really
came
in
is
like.
Once
you
are
going
to
eminent
domain,
a
particular
project
area.
G
The
way
to
give
notice
of
what
the
list
of
Pros
properties
would
be
would
be
to
put
it
on
a
unified
list.
Now
some
people
suggested
that
it
needs
to
be
published
and
it
doesn't
what
the
statute
does
say
is.
It
needs
to
be
adopted
right
by
the
Redevelopment
commission.
G
The
way
in
consultation,
the
way
we've
done
it
and
the
way
most
Redevelopment
commissions
have
done
it
in
constitutional
or
outside
council
is
when
we're
talking
about
the
other
ways
that
Redevelopment
commissions
can
acquire
property
that
are
outside
the
eminent
domain,
because
the
statute
has
now
changed,
you
do
not
have
the
authority
to
independently
do
eminent
domain
that
has
to
go
through
city,
council
and
the
City
generally.
However,
the
other
ways
that
you
acquire
property,
which
includes
by
negotiation
and
private
sale,
what
we've
said
is
like
how?
How
does
that?
G
How
is
that
supposed
to
function?
Well,
we
look
to
the
rest
of
that
Statute
in
terms
of
we
do
try
to
follow
the
dictates
of
the
rest
of
that
statute,
which
is
you
have
to
get
two
independent
appraisals
you
have
to
give
the
the
you
can
offer
the
average
of
the
two
appraisals
anything
above.
The
average
of
the
two
appraisals
has
to
be
explicitly
approved
by
the
RDC.
The
reason
why
that
works,
this
way
is
so
twofold.
G
G
That
is,
by
far
how
a
majority
or
most
Redevelopment
commissions,
work
around
the
state,
and
so
it
doesn't
exactly
fit
from
the
the
way
the
code
has
developed
in
terms
of
how
that
list
is
used
and
what
it's
used
for.
In
terms
of
when
we're
talking
about
private
negotiated
sales
of
property
versus
kind
of
more
development
Focus,
where
you
were
going
to
exercise
in
the
domain.
B
How
are
those
then
supposed
to
be
used
in
terms
of
how
it
complies
with
the
statute
in
the
sense
of
obviously,
the
RDC
has
the
prerogative
to
make
an
offer
above
those
two.
But
what
is
the
role
that
those
two
appraisals
are
intended
to
play
in
terms
of
any
initial
offer
price
or
other
considerations
for
the
acquisition
of
a
property.
G
So
one
it's
to
inform
you
broadly
of
where
what
the
value
is
so,
first
of
all,
where's
the
starting
point
for
that
value.
What
are
comparable
sales?
What
are
aspects
of
this
property
that
you
might
look
at
historically,
so,
whether
there's
any
former
usage
that
might
signal
environmental
contamination
that
might
change
the
property
price,
whether
it
is
you
know,
an
income
generated
property
where
there's
lease
agreements
and
things
like
that.
Those
are
kind
of
the
way
those
appraisals
are
used.
G
There
are
a
lot
of
sensitive
information
and
material
in
those
appraisals
and
so
I
think
that
that's
why
the
general
assembly
has
made
those
largely
not
for
public
consumption,
because
you're
receiving
a
lot
of
information
about
a
particular
parcel
you're.
Basically,
you
informs
your
entire
strategy
about
how
you're
going
to
negotiate
that
private
sale
and
then
it
does
set
the
price
point.
So
the
initial
offer
for
us
is
is
no
more
than
that
average
of
the
two
appraisals
for
an
initial
offer.
G
Now,
if
we
go
back
and
forth,
you
know,
as
you
know,
we
try
to
keep
you
apprised
as
we
go
and
and
kind
of
talk
to
you
about
where
the
negotiation
is,
why,
whether
we
feel
like
that's
an
appropriate
value
for
it
and
what
are
the
considerations
there
and
you
know
honestly,
those
appraisals
again.
Are
that
starting
point
that
you're
seeing
this
is
where
we
started
from
this
is
the
base
that
we
think
it's
worth.
G
This
is
what
we're
what
has
been
accepted
or
offered,
or
something
like
that
and
whether
you
approve
ultimately
approve
that
price
and
you
are,
you
are
unique.
Let
me
just
say
this
point.
You
are
unique
in
the
way
that
it's
structured
with
municipalities,
in
that
this
is
the
only
entity
that
can
authorize
a
price
above
the
average
of
the
two
appraisals,
the
City
generally.
G
Commissioner
Meyerson
just
like
in
terms
of
how
the
elements
of
what
a
tip
district
is
created
for
how
it's
meant
to
Foster
further
development
kind
of
makes
sense.
But
why
that
that
flexibility
has
not
been
built
into
like
city
council,
for
instance,
I
I
really
can't
answer
intelligently,
because
I'm
not
sure.
B
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand.
In
terms
of
my
initial
part
of
my
question
about
approving
and
adopting
a
list
of
real
property,
you
were
saying
that
it
was
originally
based
in
the
powers
or
eminent
domain
which
have
since
been
superseded.
So
is
there
not
supposed
to
be
a
list
anymore
because
of
is
I'm
just
because
it
seems
like
it
would
be
useful
public
knowledge
to
have
such
a
list,
but
it
seems
like
that's
not
how
it's
currently
done,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
discrepancy.
We.
B
And
in
terms
of
that,
interpretation
of
the
list
for
private
negotiated
property
I
certainly
understand
the
argument
you've
presented,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
I
fully
understand,
if
that's
again
an
interpretation
based
on
that
code,
because
it's
not
clear
that.
There's
that
exception
made
in
the
code
and
I
I
just
I'm,
not
a
lawyer,
so
I'm
trying
to
just
get
a
grip
on
how
this
is
supposed
to
work,
how
the
city
is
implementing
it
and
how
the
code's
written.
G
G
Regardless
of
the
way
these
work
and
that's
kind
of
why
we
make
sure
that
we're
Consulting
others
I
mean
we're
not
just
doing
it
like
shoot
from
the
hip
kind
of
thing
and
hope
it
works
out.
You
know
we
do
bring
in
outside
counsel.
We
do
try
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
Best
Buy
by
both
what
the
clearly,
what
the
statute
intends
and
also
giving
us
like
the
ability
to
operate
within
our
city
and
make
it
better.
G
So
I
think
that
that's
also
why
I
wanted
to
have
additional
resources
for
you
for
a
broader
discussion.
Just
so
you
have
those
opportunities
to
ask
others,
so
you
hear
voices
other
than
mine.
Just
on
that
interpretation
as
well
I
mean
because
that's
part
of
the
balancing
process
I,
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
go
too
broad
with
it,
but
like
they're,
even
when
we're
talking
about
like
judgments
about
what
is
in
or
serving
the
Tiff,
and
what
does
that
mean?
And
how
does
that
work?
You
know
I
my
my
response.
G
I'll
just
tell
you.
My
philosophy
is
like
I'm
happy
to
get
a
second
opinion
like
I
I
have
an
ego,
but
I
don't
have
that
much
of
an
ego
about
that
particular
thing.
I
want
to
do
what's
right,
the
end
of
the
day,
and
so
we
try
to
consult
with
people
and
try
to
triangulate
on.
What's
going
to
be
the
best.
The
best
approach
for
you.
B
B
G
G
Myself,
okay,
let
me
know
if
you
find
anything
too:
let's
sure
we
could
race
to
whatever
the
the
result
is,
and
we
also
talked
about
it.
Just
I'm
just
circling
back
on
something
we
talked
about
a
long
time
ago,
for
instance,
going
up
to
Carmel
and
having
an
exchange
with
the
carnival
Redevelopment
commission
to
see
how
they
do
that,
how
they
do
development,
how
they
approach
their
meetings
and
things
like
that.
I
think
that
that's
useful.
It's
not
something
I've
forgotten
about,
commissioner
Cassidy.
G
So
just
so
you
know
it's
been
been
something
that
I
think
as
the
weather
gets
nicer
and
kind
of
facilitates
us
actually
touring
some
of
the
areas
that
they've
developed.
That
might
be
a
good
idea
just
to
have
that
kind
of
exchange,
because.
C
So
is
there
to
your
knowledge,
are
there
any
Redevelopment
Commissions
in
Indiana
that
still
abide
by
this
idea
of
like
a
public
list
before
they
before
they
go
about
negotiating
contracts,
as.
G
There
aren't
there
isn't
much
case
law
in
this.
That,
obviously,
would
be
the
first
place.
I
would
go
to
besides
a
statue
to
look
at
to
see
how
I
would
evaluate
this
and
kind
of
interpret
it,
and
that's
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
run
into
generally
in
functioning
in
this
area
is
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
case
law
developed
about
it.
Now,
we've
had
cases
handed
down,
for
instance,
for
the
expenditure
of
Tiff
funds
right,
so
that's
where
we
get
like
you
can't
use
it
for
purely
maintenance
funds.
G
Those
kind
of
things
that's
not
necessarily
dictated
by
the
interpretation
of
Statute,
that's
been
dictated
by
case
law
that
we
look
at,
but
in
this
particular
area
in
the
case
law
that
I've
looked
at,
there's
nothing
interpreting
this
this
statute,
that
doesn't
mean
I
I,
want
to
caveat
that,
of
course,
by
saying,
if
there's
something
I'm
unaware
of
I'll,
happily
have
my
comeuppance
and
consult
that,
but
I've
searched
and
I
just
didn't
see
anything.
C
Is
there
any
sense
that
there
are
groups
within
Indiana,
with
different
municipalities
and
so
forth?
Who
are
requesting
that
this,
it
seems
like
the
state
legislature,
could
go
back
in
and
amend
statute
to
make
it
clearer?
Is
there
anything
along
those
lines?
I
mean
that
is
being
discussed
or
not.
G
I'll,
just
be
maybe
I'll
just
be
really
Frank
if
I
can
be,
and
just
understand
that
this
is
a
little
bit
of
me
personally
speaking,
just
in
my
limited
experience,
while
I've
been
here,
a
lot
of
what
we're
doing
at
the
state
level
is
playing
defense
with
restrictions
on
further
restricting
the
way
cities
can
use
to
funds
and
and
how
those
are
can
be
used
in
certain
projects,
because
there's
always
bills
that
come
through,
but
those
bills
largely
are
to
either
phase
out
Tiff
districts
directly
or
to
just
Place
serious
restrictions
on
it
every
once
in
a
while.
G
You
know,
there's
something
more
benign
that
that
comes
up,
but
I
know
that
that's
we've
talked
to
aim
about.
This.
We've
talked
to
aim
regularly
aim
being
the
association
of
Indiana
municipalities
that
kind
of
lobbies
on
our
behalf.
At
the
state
level,
we
have
talked
to
them
about
our
interest
in
going
forward
how
it's
used.
What
makes
sense,
it's
just
that
a
lot
of
their
time
has
ended
up
taken
up
by
these
other
considerations
of
the
way
to
fund.
G
I
think
that
that's
the
other
reason
why
you
don't
see
like
a
big
Clarion
call
from
every
city
is
kind
of
like
once
you
invite
the
general
assembly
to
metal.
You
may
not
have
control
over
what
what
the
result
is
and
I
don't
mean
our
general
assembly
is
doing
a
poor
job
or
anything
like
that.
I.
Just
those
that's
kind
of
the
reality
that
we're
facing.
A
All
right
anything
else
for
General
discussion,
as
we
move
the
time
a
little
bit
later
here.
Okay,.
D
Real
quick
question
in
regards
to
Mr
Underwood's
gone
the
aspect
of
our
Consolidated
tiffs
and
the
dollars
that
are
in
the
ones,
I'm
sure
I'm,
assuming
we'll
get
a
report.
What
in
June
or
so
in
regards
to
what
those
dollars
are
we.
G
D
Yeah
I
guess
the
question
I'm
trying
to
ask
is,
as
we
move
forward
and
approve
these
projects
that
you
know
have
you
know
certain
economic
indicators.
I
just
want
to
look
where
the
funding
aspect
of
it
is
and
something
that
was
brought
up
in
regards
to
ever
and
the
bonding
issues
where
Parks,
which
is
a
very
vital
part
of
our
community
as
a
whole.
D
You
know
we'll
expend
their
money
their
bond
issue
and
when
we
look
at
some
of
the
things
that
Parks
has
that
create
the
quality
of
life,
the
Redevelopment
as
we
move
forward
and
I'll
just
use
the
example
of
our
pools,
which
you
know
provide
Recreation
and
quality
of
life.
If
something
happened
and
they
needed
that,
would
we
be
able
to
allocate
any
funds
to
those
particular
projects.
I
mean
based
on
what
I
heard
on
Griffey,
and
then
we
may
run
out
of
bonds,
I'm,
just
looking
at
where
the
dollars
are,
or
specifically
even
hope.
D
G
We're
talking
about
things
like
Park
bonds,
just
just
really
briefly.
We're
also
talking
about
bonds
that
come
from
different
places
have
different
limitations,
so
the
barns
that
Mr
Street
was
talking
about
come
from
as
part
of
the
Parks
Authority
to
issue
bonds
and
count
sometimes
toward
the
general
bonding
limitation
of
the
city,
which
kind
of
can
limit
the
amount.
And
so
the
way
we've
done.
G
That's
separate
from
the
rdcs
of
bonding
Authority,
which
largely
comes
from
Tiff
revenue
and
what
what
kind
of
excess
different
yeah
I
will
tell
you
that
we
make
sure
that
we
have
that
capacity
to
cover
both
emergencies,
any
kind
of
major
expenditures,
but
also
have
some
bonding
capacity
left
for
the
RDC,
because
you
don't
know
what's
going
to
come
forward,
but
I
think
that
that's
a
great
suggestion
I'll
make
sure
under
Mr
Underwood
knows
but
ahead
of
that
annual
report.
As
we
get
closer
to
that
that
he
can
present
that
to
you.