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A
B
A
D
C
It
here
where's
the
one
about
the
I
didn't
mark
it,
but
it's
the
camera.
We
have.
C
Page
two,
my
questions
we
talked
about
this
before
I
mean
I,
think
that
was
the
vandalism
issue
and
I
just
want
to
do.
We
have
insurance
to
cover
vandalism,
I
mean
it.
It's
not
really
theft,
but
it's.
D
A
E
A
A
I
do
I
have
a
question
if
there
are
any
from
the
others
from
the
board
on
page
one
from
the
city
of
Bloomington,
our
set
rate
on
the
vehicle
parts
and
repairs,
can
you
remind
me,
do
we
pay
that
quarterly?
F
A
A
Hearing
none?
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
so
moved
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
opposed
the
motion
passes.
We
also
have
a
second
utility
bill
payment
for
the
payables
from
December
31st.
Are
there
any
questions
on
those
that
total
is
two
hundred
thousand
eight
hundred
seventy
eight
dollars
and
five
cents?
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
so.
B
A
Motion
passes:
the
next
claim
is
for
the
wire
transfers
and
that
total
is
four
hundred
and
five
thousand
four
hundred
fifty
six
dollars
and
Thirteen
Cents.
Are
there
any
questions
about
the
wire
transfers
hearing?
None.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
opposed
motion
passes.
A
D
A
G
This
is
Vic
Kelson
utilities
director
happy
to
bring
forward
the
consent
agenda
for
this
week,
which
totals
9907.
The
first
item
is
the
Hoosier
window:
Technologies,
that's
nine
hundred
seven
dollars
for
window
tinting
in
the
front
lobby
and
the
item
B
is
to
Kate
RAC
for
nine
thousand
dollars,
and
this
is
Grant
application
Consulting.
This
is
a
grant
writer
and
I'd
like
to
ask
first.
If
any
board
members
would
like
to
consider
any
of
these
separately
hearing
none.
If
there's
no
opposition,
the
consent
agenda
will
be
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff.
A
You
Vic
item
number:
five
is
a
bid
opening.
Do
we
have
we're
ready
off
for
that
one?
This
is
a
bit
opening
for
the
public
invitation
to
bid
on
the
East
tank
improvements
that
Stan
Hudson's
going
to
be
involved.
With
that
do
we
have
a
recording
sheet
to
record
the
bids
and
I
just
nope?
Okay,
we
can
just
we're
good
I
can
write
them.
We
can.
H
For
the
record,
I'm
Dan
Hudson,
the
capital
project
manager
for
CBU
and
I'm
happy
to
have
a
bed
opening.
We
had
a
lot
of
interest
in
this
project.
This
is
for
the
East
tank
Water
Tower,
located
on
444,
just
south
of
44.
on
the
west
side
of
the
road.
It
includes
repainting
re-coating,
adding
stiffeners
to
the
top.
A
new
ladder
that
meets
OSHA,
rags,
I,
believe
there's
some
electrical
work,
small
amount
of
electrical
work
and
a
new
mixer
put
in
so
there's
it's
a
total
rehab
of
the
of
the
tank.
H
Yes,
I
was
going
to
give
that
the
engineering
estimate
is
one
million,
98
000
900
and
zero
cents.
Thank
you.
H
H
H
H
Here
and
we
will
evaluate
that
and
come
back
next
board
meeting
with
a
recommendation.
A
G
Carlson
utilities
director
we
are
bringing
this
item
in
preparation
for
a
consideration
of
the
possible
project
at
the
Winston
Thomas
property.
G
If
we're
going
to
engage
in
a
project
like
that,
ultimately,
we
will
need
to
sell
bonds
to
pay
for
it
and,
if
we're
going
to
sell
bonds,
we
have
to
go
to
iurc
First
for
for
permission
to
go
for
permission
to
take
on
additional
debt,
we're
beginning
to
do
the
analysis
portion
of
that.
So
we'll
need
we'll
be
working
with
Dentons.
Our
plan
is
to
work
with
Dentons
and
Crow,
as
we
have
before
on
rate
cases.
This
would
be
a
financing,
only
rate
a
petition.
It's
not
a
rate
case.
G
It's
a
financing
only
case
those
are
pretty
uncommon
and
a
lot
less
involved
than
a
traditional
rate
case.
So
this
is
this
agreement
is
to
retain
Dave
mcginsey
who's
been
our
attorney
for
these
kinds
of
things
in
the
past,
so
this
does
not
commit
us
to
building
anything
or
doing
anything.
It's
just
part
of
the
process
we
would
have
to
go
through
before
we
can
actually
do
anything
related
to
the
selling
of
bonds.
We
have
to
get
permission
from
the
commission.
E
We've
been
approaching
this
incrementally
and
we
played
paid
for
the
new
flood
plain
mapping,
and
we
were
told
that
that
was
something
that
we
would
need
to
do
anyway
for
other
purposes,
and
this
is
very
specific
to
the
service
center
and
it's
our
first
I
would
say
exclusively
service
center
purchase.
If
you
can
consider
the
flood
plain
and
the
other
Master
planning
something
separate,
so
it
would
just
be
I
would
feel
comfortable
more
comfortable
about
it.
G
And
I
I
was,
and
to
that
end
we
we
thought
that
that
was
at
the
point
where
we
were.
We
we've
got
to
do
the
financial
analysis
before
we
can
do
anything
so
doing
the
financial
analysis
and
developing
a
plan
for
an
item
to
take
to
the
iurc
would
be
the
opportunity
to
say
that's
the
first
thing
we
would
have
to
vote
on
that
had
to
do
with
pursuing
the
project
itself.
So
that's
at
that
point.
We
would
know
where
we
stood
in
terms
of
the
financial
analysis
that.
G
Well,
this
is
part
of
it,
the
the
the
process
of
doing
that
analysis
related
to
the
financing.
There's
two
parts:
there's
the
legal
part
that
has
to
do
with
going
to
the
commission
and
there's
the
financial
part,
and
is
that
one
on
this
agenda
and
then
Crow
is
the
next
one
on
this
agenda,
which
would
be
the
Financial
Consultant.
L
G
Of
these
time
and
material,
it's
a
contract
to
pay
for
the
Professional
Services.
Okay,
I
mean.
G
K
A
N
Oh
okay,
Chris
wheeler,
City
illegal,
the
the
Denton
Bingham
greena
balm
is
only
for
the
Waterside
because
as
to
expenditures
for
water
utilities,
those
have
to
go
to
the
iorc.
So
the
cost
associated
with
taking
a
petition
to
the
iurc
for
approval
of
the
waterside's
expenditure
for
its
part
in
the
administrative
building
has
to
get
approved.
That
so
that's
why
it's
only
being
paid
for
out
of
water,
because
storm
and
Wastewater
doesn't
go
to
the
iorc.
N
E
Before
this
financial
analysis
will
this
include
any
revenues
that
we
would
get
for
this
facility
that
we're
in
right
now
talking
with
the
administration
about
that
as
part
of
it?
So
that
will
be
a
part
of
the
crow
report.
G
G
We
would
we
would
be,
and
that
that's
a
lot
of
conversation
with
the
administration
with
the
controller's
office
to
figure
out,
if
that
be
a
lump,
some
that
they
would
pay
towards
the
project.
Or
would
that
be
a
lease
agreement
that
there'd
be
a
monthly
amount
coming
to
the
utilities,
and
that
would
all
have
to
be
sorted
out
as
part
of
this
analysis
and
we'll
be
talking
with.
E
E
E
G
For
the
building
so
yeah,
so
our
limit,
we
will
have
to
figure
out
a
fair
price
for
what
the
property's
worth
and
that's
what
we
would
be.
That's.
What
would
we
would
be
working.
A
G
We
did
the
master
plan
for
the
southern
half
of
the
property,
the
the
half
of
the
property
that
would
be
dedicated
to
utilities.
The
northern
half
of
the
property
we
did
not
plan
for,
but
there
are,
is
a
portion
of
the
property
that
might
be
usable
for
other
activities
and
we'll
have
to
look
into
that
as
well.
G
A
Hearing
that
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
request
for
the
agreement
with
Crow
so
moved
all
those
in
favor
say:
I
I
opposed
motion
passes
okay,
so
for
the
next
couple
of
items
we
have
several
requests
for
some
chemical
purchases
and
before
we
go
into
those
agenda
items
I
Chris
wheeler
is
going
to
give
us
some
information
on
why
these
are
coming
to
us
in
this
format,
because
it's
a
little
different
than
what
we've
usually
done.
N
Wheeler
with
City
legal
yeah,
so
the
next
seven
contracts
on
the
agenda
deal
with
the
purchase
of
chemicals.
N
Ordinarily,
this
board
wouldn't
see
contracts
for
purchases
of
products,
but
in
this
situation
we
are
now
seeing
these
chemical
purchases
because
historically,
as
we
buy
these
chemicals,
we
usually
well
in
the
last
several
years,
we've
been
purchasing
them
through
a
reverse
auction
and
the
contract
or
the
agreement
for
the
purchase
has
been
done
through
that
reverse
auction
and
they
have
run
for
I
think
a
period
of
three
years,
but
over
the
period
of
the
last
agreement
for
purchases
of
product,
we
had
covid
and
all
of
the
supply
line,
issues
that
are
happening
and
the
purchase
of
product
like
these
chemicals
has
become
extremely
volatile
and
there
was
a
great
deal
of
discussion
and
pushed
back
by
the
by
the
suppliers
as
to
the
price
that
they
had
locked
in
with
us.
N
So
we
decided
this
year
to
actually
draft
up
purchase
agreements
and
that's
what
these
are
and
have
the
company
sign
these
contracts,
which
locked
them
in
a
little
tighter
to
their
to
the
price
that
they're
agreeing
to
supply
these
products
to
us
for
and
they're
only
good
for
one
year.
So
we're
not
locked
in
for
quite
as
long
a
time
and
then
we
will
do
another
reverse
auction
at
the
end
of
of
next
year.
N
So
this
reverse
auction
took
place
in
December
and
we're
now
getting
the
agreements
out
the
door
to
start
buying
our
supplies
through
those
agree
through
that
reverse
auction
price,
and
so
that's
what
this
next
seven
contracts
will
be
for
and
I
thought.
Having
explained
that
as
a
sort
of
Preamble,
then
maybe
we
could
move
through
these
next
seven
contracts
pretty
quickly,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
questions
if
I
can
with
regards
to
the
reverse
auction,
and
then
we
could
move
into
the
contracts
themselves.
N
I
N
I
B
N
I,
don't
know
that
I
can
very
well
it's
a
con.
It's
a
statutory
provision
that
allows
us
to
make
a
purchase
in
this
way.
It
allows
us
to
put
out
the
idea
that
we
want
to
buy
these
products
and
let
the
people,
the
the
vendors
who
want
to
bid
on
them
put
their
bids
out
there.
They
don't
know
who's
bidding,
but
they
can
see
the
price
as
the
bid
moves
along
and
decide
whether
they
want
to
try
and
bid
on
it
at
a
certain
price
and
value.
I
N
A
N
N
You
just
don't
see
that
this
happens,
but
it
happens
every
couple
of
years
now
we're
going
to
be
doing
it
every
year,
all
right
so
I
have
a
list
here
and
I
think
it
follows
in
an
order
that
was
shown
on
the
agenda,
but
the
first
one
is
for
the
purchase
of
aluminum
sulfate
for
the
Monroe
Water
Plant,
we're
purchasing
from
chemtrade
chemicals
Corp
and
the
cost
is
620
dollars
per
dry
ton.
B
A
A
N
N
N
And
this
one
is
also
this
one's
jci,
Jones
chemicals
Inc
for
sodium
hypochlorite
and
Monroe
Water
Plant.
The
cost
is
two
dollars
and
13
cents
per
gallon
is.
B
B
B
N
And
last
is
jci
Jones
chemicals
again.
This
one
is
for
sodium
hypochlorite
at
Dillman,
Waste
Water,
Treatment
Plant.
The
cost
is
two
dollars
and
13
cents
per
gallon
is.
B
N
A
K
Bill
peden
with
the
engineering
department:
this
is
for
a
1.9
million
dollar,
grant
that
that
I
first
want
to
just
say,
give
credit
to
Alex
Crowley
and
The
Economic
Development
Group
their
team.
We
appreciate
their
efforts
in
helping
to
obtain
this
Grant
and
working
with
Lisa
Abbott,
a
grand
administrator
to
obtain
this
and
so
coordinating
with
us
and
cattle
and
through
that
process.
But
this
is
a
result
of
catalyst,
expansion
for
the
covid
vaccinations
and
our
own
team
member
Jason,
winning
with
the
pre-treatment
side
working
with
them.
K
They
had
to
renew
their
some
of
their
pre-treatment
permits,
and
in
doing
so,
we
we
looked
at
their
flows.
They
were
going
to
be
adding
to
our
sewer,
recognizing
that
there
could
be
a
capacity
issue
there.
We
went
through
some
calculations
and
Analysis
of
that
sewer
Basin
to
determine
where
we
felt
like
the
impact
could
could
end
up,
causing
an
issue
for
us
and
through
that
process
we
we
determined
about
500
feet
of
18
inch
sewer
that
was
undersized
for
that
additional
flow,
as
well
as
some
lining
and
some
manhole
Rehabilitation.
K
So
that's
the
scope
of
the
of
the
grant.
We're
also
going
to
have
them
examine
through
modeling
and
calculation.
Is
the
24
inch
that's
Downstream
of
the
site
to
just
see
if
it?
If
it's
going
to
be
impacted
as
well?
It's
it's
larger.
We
feel
like
the
capacity
is
there,
but
we
wanted
to
have
in
the
engineers
check
that
by
modeling
it
so
we're
going
to
do
that
as
well.
A
I
I
E
And
are
we
then,
is
there
a
contractor
in
mind
to
do
the
work.
K
Yeah,
so
we're
going
through
the
process
of
procuring
an
engineer
first,
and
that
does
have
to
go
through
the
the
federal
guidelines
when
you're
using
Grant
funds.
So
we
have
to
do
a
request
for
qualifications
or
requests
for
proposals
for
that,
so
we've
actually
published
that
and-
and
we
expect
to
be
receiving
those
so.
E
A
A
K
E
Yeah
real
good
job:
what's
the
additional
capacity
that's
needed
in
terms
of
you
know,
million
gallons
per
day,
I
mean
what
or
hundreds
of
thousands
of
gallons
per
day
or
what?
What
is
what
is
it?
What
was
the
impetus
for
the
going
to
an
18
inch
line,
I.
K
E
I,
don't
remember
the
exact,
but
in
terms
of
like
impact
at
Dillman
right,
it
would
be
negligible
in
terms
of
our
capacity
it's
just.
This
was
just
to
resize
the
line
to
be
able
to
accept
their
waste,
not
a
big
increment.
That
would
cause
some
new
need
at
the
plant
or.
E
B
Megan,
so
what
did
Catalan
have
any
Financial
contribution,
or
will
they
to
this
product
project,
since
it's
for
them.
N
Agreement
is,
is
a
last
minute
add
to
the
agenda
and
we're
going
to
be
coming
at
it
a
little
bit
backwards.
Ordinarily,
I
would
like
for
the
contractor
to
have
already
reviewed
and
signed
the
agreement
had
all
of
the
approvals
done
through
the
city
before
we
bring
it
to
the
board
for
the
board
to
review
and
approve.
N
So
what
still
has
to
be
done,
even
after
the
board
reviews
and
approves
tonight
hopefully
approves
tonight-
is
for
the
company
to
still
submit
its
AAP,
its
affirmative
action
plan
for
review
and
approval
by
the
city
and
then
also
for
the
controller's
office
in
the
mayor's
office
to
review
and
approve
the
language
as
well.
So
if
the
board
would
upon
its
motion,
make
it
contingent
upon
approval
of
AAP
and
review
and
approval
by
mayor
and
controller,
then
I
would
feel
really
comfortable
having
the
board
go
ahead
and
review
and
approve
tonight.
G
That'll
probably
make
clear
why
we
why
we
wanted
to
bring
this
and
by
the
way
the
AAP
came
during
this
meeting.
Yes,
here's
what
happened
about
a
week
ago
today
or
a
week
ago
yesterday,
it
was
discovered
that
we
had
a
flood
in
the
basement
of
the
pump
building
at
the
head
of
the
Doman
plant,
so
the
wet.
Well,
the
water
comes
from
the
city.
The
Wastewater
comes
into
the
into
that
wet.
Well,
the
building
that
houses,
the
pumps
that
pump
that
water
into
the
plant
had
had
a
basement
full
of
water.
G
The
wet
well
is
actually
broken
into
two
pieces
and
one
side
of
it.
Each
side
has
three
pumps.
What
once
we
got
an
emergency
contract
to
have
a
contractor
come
in
here
with
a
pump
to
pump
the
water
out
so
that
we
could
see
what
was
going
on.
It
was
found
that
the
suction
line
to
one
of
the
pumps
had
a
large
hole
in
it,
and
water
was
pouring
out
of
that
hole.
That's,
and
that
was
the
source
of
the
flooding.
G
So
we
were
able
to-
and
this
is
these
pump
pipes
are
40
years
old.
It's
a
30
inch
pipe
coming
into
the
pump.
G
We
were
able
to
get
a
full
seal
clamp
installed
by
a
contractor
to
make
it
so
the
pump
the
pipe
isn't
leaking
now
so
and
the
plant
was
was
never
disrupted
by
this,
except
for
a
lot
of
stinky
water
in
the
basement
of
the
building.
So
the
purpose
of
this
contract
is
to
replace
the
the
bad
pipe
on
this
line
so
that
we
don't
have
to
risk
that
it's
going
to
fail
further
in
the
near
future.
G
So
the
purpose
of
this
is
just
to
replace
that
pipe
one
of
the
ish,
of
course,
with
a
situation
like
this,
you
want
to
do
it.
Is
it's
not
an
emergency,
but
it's
urgent
that
we
get
this
fixed
and
the
lead
time
on
the
materials
is
about
three
or
four
weeks
so,
but
we,
we
don't,
think
we're
going
to
have
any
another
big
leak,
but
we
do
have
operational
plans
for
how
to
deal
with
it.
If
it
does
leak
again,
we
have
the
temporary
pump
still
in
place.
A
B
B
We
have
pumps
that
would
automatically,
or
is
this
just
too
much
water
that
wouldn't
have
worked
with
that
like
in
homes
for
our
basements
or
I,
think
was
it
James
or
Phil
went
door
to
door
and
checking
in
neighborhoods
and
things
and
asking
our
customers
that
so
do
we
have
that
for
our
own
buildings,
I
guess.
G
B
G
B
G
D
N
L
A
G
Is
3000
to
take
care
of
this
issue?
The
cost
of
the
temporary
fix
was
three
thousand
dollars.
Is
that
right,
yeah?
That
was
three
thousand
dollars,
and
we
did
that
as
an
emergency
contract
we'll
be
bringing
that
soon,
but
we
didn't
once
we
had
it
so
it
wasn't
leaking.
We
didn't
see
it
as
being
an
emergency
anymore,
so
we
did
go
through
the
normal
process
of
of
soliciting
bids
to
get
or
soliciting
pricing
from
multiple
vendors
into
the
the
normal.
The
normal
Contracting
process.
N
C
A
So
we're
going
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
to
approve
the
request
for
the
approval
of
the
agreement
with
Coco
Singh
industrial
Inc
on
the
contingent
upon
the
approval
of
the
affirmative
action.
Oh
sorry,
yes,.
I
Yeah
Vic,
obviously
anything
that's
an
emergency.
You
just
do
right
with
the
board.
Doesn't
you
don't
call
us
and
say
hey,
we
got
something
to
do.
Do
those
emergency
expenses
and
incidents
then
get
reported
to.
G
A
B
B
G
Is
it
turns
out
that
that
property
is
not
the
the
deed
to
that
property
is
not
held
by
the
utility
service
board,
so
it
went
to
the
Board
of
Public
Works
for
their
consideration.
C
C
A
We
have
our
answers.
Okay,
is
there
any
new
business
from
the
board?
I
I
actually
have
two
items
that
I'd
like
to
bring
up
from
on
for
the
board.
I
do
think
it
would
be
of
interest
and
probably
help
if
we
could
perhaps
organize
a
board
retreat.
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
make
sure
we
understand
all
the
rules
and
procedures
and
things
that
are
going
on
and
we
are
going
to
have
a
new
board
member
I
believe.
G
A
Know
anyway,
so
I
would
like
to
perhaps
try
to
get
some
answer
when
that
new
person
comes
on
board
so
that
we
might
all
try
to
find
a
date
that
would
get
together
and
I'd
ask
staff
to
help
us
with
doing
a.
D
A
A
poll
I'll:
do
it
a
poll,
sorry
so
anyway,
so
I.
So
if
that's
I
think
it's
been
a
while,
since
we've
done
that
we've
got
new,
we've
got
some
new
faces,
we've
got
some
old
faces
and
we're
going
to
have
a
very
new
face,
so
it
might
be
good
for
all
of
us
to
get
together
and
kind
of
go
over
some
things.
A
Other
thing
is:
this
was
left
for
us
here,
our
conflict
of
interest.
This
has
been.
It
has
been
asked
that
we
please
get
this
turned
in
tonight
as
well,
for
any
board
members
that
are
not
I,
don't
think
any
any
board.
Members
that
are
out
here
that
I
think
we're
all
here.
A
G
First
of
all,
start
with
some
Personnel
changes.
I
know
we
have
a
couple
of
assistant
directors
here
who
have
new
people.
You
have
not
met
so
take
it.
K
I've
wanted
I
know:
I
mentioned
Kevin
White
earlier,
but
Kevin
White's
our
new
capital
projects
coordinator,
and
then
we
also
have
a
new
engineering
technician.
Mac
aberton
yeah
we're
just
so
excited
to
have
a
couple
new
members
to
the
engineering
team.
They've
they've
been
on
board
for
a
little
while
they
hit
the
ground
running
and
they're
doing
a
great
job,
so
I
don't
want
to
introduce
them
tonight.
M
From
Sandusky
Ohio,
okay,
stuff
grad
school
down
here
in
Bloomington
excellent.
M
M
M
G
As
you
mentioned,
we
do,
we
have
a
new
board.
Member
has
been
appointed,
I,
don't
know
the
details
yet
so,
but
we
will
we'll
let
you
know
what
we
know.
There
was
a
grant
writer
on
the
consent,
agenda
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
word
about
that.
G
As
you
know,
we're
entering
a
time
when
there
will
be
lots
of
federal
money
and
state
money
available
for
doing
doing
projects
related
to
utilities
and
infrastructure,
and
we
want
to
get
out
in
front
of
that
and
there
is
an
application
deadline
of
April
1st
for
the
first
round
of
funding
related
to
lead
service
line
replacement.
So
we're
working
now
with
our
experts
and
talking
with
a
grant
writer
to
help
us
write
a
grant
application
for
monies
related
to
water
main
replacement
for
our
lead
service
line
replacement.
G
So
this
is
the
first
go-round
there's
around
40
million
dollars
this
year,
Statewide,
so
we're
going
to
take
a
shot
at.
We
anticipate
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
lot
more
Grant
applications
in
the
future.
So
we
want
to
build
in
to
build
in
some
expertise.
We
think
we
can
do
that
with
hiring
a
part-time
consultant
to
help
us
with
the
actual
Grant
development,
okay
and
then
the
last
item
is
there
have
been
some
complaints
and
I'm
sure
board.
Members
have
heard
some
of
these
complaints
about
Sewer
Lateral
strikes
by
fiber
installers.
G
At
this
point
we
don't
have
any
proof,
that's
a
particular
firm
or
a
particular
group
of
people
that
are
causing
any
causing
the
problem.
Sewer
laterals
do
get
struck
when
fairly
often
by
installation
of
fiber
conduit,
because
there's
really
no
way
to
find
them.
They
don't
have
locate,
wires
and
they're
made
of
clay
or
plastic.
So
you
don't
they're
very
difficult
to
locate.
G
We
have
had
conversations
in-house
about
any
information
that
we
might
be
able
to
provide
to
the
installers
to
give
them
a
little
bit
more
understanding
of
of
how
deep
they
might
find
sewer
infrastructure.
But,
as
I
said,
it's
a
very
complicated
problem.
Those
are
not.
Those
are
all
private
firms
that
are
doing
that
work
so
and
and
they're
responsible
for
for
strikes.
So
anything
that
comes
our
way.
We
do
refer
them
either
to
the
to
one
of
the
contractors
that
are
actually
doing
the
work,
they're.