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A
All
right,
so,
let's
call
this
meeting
of
the
utility
Service
Board
to
order
it
is
Monday
April
24th
and
our
first
meeting
or
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
April
10th
meeting.
Are
there
any
corrections
or
additions
to
the
minutes?
A
Hearing
none.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye,
aye
aye:
the
minutes
are
approved.
The
next
items
are
the
approvals
of
the
claims
and
our
first
one
is
standard
invoices
at
seven
hundred
and
twenty
four
thousand
ninety
five
dollars
and
thirty
five
cents.
Are
there
any
questions
on
the
standard
invoices.
A
A
Those
in
favor
say
I,
I
opposed
and
that
approval
of
the
claims
passes.
The
next
is:
are
the
utility
bills
in
the
amount
of
292
213.44
cents.
Are
there
any
questions
on
the
utility
bills?
Hearing
none?
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
all
those
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
opposed
motion.
Passes
next
item.
Are
the
wire
transfers
406
605.33?
A
Is
there?
Are
there
any
questions
on
the
wire
transfers?
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve?
So
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
opposed
the
motion
passes.
Final
Acclaim
is:
are
the
customer
refunds
for
a
total
of
five
thousand
four
hundred
seventy
eight
dollars
and
fifty
four
cents?
Are
there
any
questions
on
the
customer
refunds.
A
C
Evening,
everyone
with
record
Vic,
Kelson
utilities
director
we
have
two
items
on
our
consent
agenda,
which
totals
twelve
thousand
two
hundred.
Seventy
one
dollars
item
a
is
to
xylem
Water
Solutions
USA
for
seven
thousand
two
hundred
twenty
four
dollars.
C
This
is
for
replacement
of
a
control
panel
on
pump
number
four
at
the
at
the
wet
well
lift
station
at
the
Dillman
plant,
I
believe,
there's
a
typo.
It
shouldn't
be
two
seven
two,
seventy
one
it
should
be
seven
or
sorry,
12
224,
not
12,
271
I.
Believe
when
I
look
at
the
two
two
items
they
add
to
12
224..
The
item
Item
B
is
to
Rich
fig
doing
business
as
fig
appraisals.
C
This
is
five
thousand
dollars
for
Appraisal
Services,
for
the
consideration
of
possibly
transferring
the
utilities
Administrative
Building
to
the
public
works
department.
If
there's
not,
if
any
would
any
board
member
want
to
take
up
either
of
these
items
separately?
C
Could
we
ask
questions
about
the
appraisal?
Please,
okay,
we'll
take
that
up
separately.
So
we'll
finish
up
on
item
a
then.
If
there's
no
opposition
item
a
the
xylem
Water
Solutions
for
seven
thousand,
two
hundred
twenty
four
dollars
will
be
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
hearing
no
opposition.
It
is
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff,
happy
to
entertain
on
any
item.
Questions
on
Item
B.
D
C
C
C
A
Yeah
great
okay,
so
with
that
clarification
is,
can
we
do.
A
To
to
approve
the
expenditure
of
five
five
thousand
dollars
with
Rich
fig
with
the
suggested
or
with
the
inclusion
of
the
structures
of
the
on
the
of
the
garages.
A
Okay,
the
next
item
is
to
request
approval
of
the
resolution.
2000.
Oh,
we
didn't
vote,
my
apologies,
okay,
so
all
of
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
opposed
great
motion
passes.
Thank
you
all
right.
The
next
item
is
the
requesting
the
approval
of
resolution
2023-005
and
this
is
to
designate
Surplus
property
for
auction
and
that's
Matt
Havey.
F
So
started
to
pick
up
around
here
is
how
I'll
say
it,
and
so
we've
found
a
lot
of
office
items
that
we
are
no
longer
using
there's
a
lot
of
filing
cabinets.
F
There's
a
lot
of
old,
like
file,
organizer
trays
in
storage,
bins
that
we
aren't
using
anymore
that
we'd
like
to
obviously
get
out
of
the
building
so
since
they're
not
being
used
and
to
do
that,
we're
going
to
go
through
the
city's
auction
process,
whereas
we
post
pictures
online
of
all
these
items,
and
then
it's
on
this
website
TV
bit
on
for
a
certain
amount
of
time.
Whatever
funds
we
receive
for
these
items
will
get
sent
to
the
controller's
office
and
transferred
over
to
us.
F
If
the
items
do
not
sell,
our
plan
would
be
to
either
recycle
them
or
dispose
of
them.
Somehow
and
again,
it's
it's
a
lot
of
fiery
cabinets.
It's
just
a
lot
of
storage
containers,
old
plastic
file,
organizers
and
things
like
that.
I
think
there's
six
pallets
of
them
up
on
the
hill.
If
anybody
wants
to
actually
take
a
look
at
them,
physically.
G
G
C
C
Right,
the
purpose
that,
for
us
to
get
rid
of
anything
that
has
any
value
the
USB
has
to
declare
at
Surplus-
and
this
includes-
are
the
blue
barrels
in
here-
not
yet
okay,
but
we're
also
scouring
the
plants
for
things
that
need
to
be
disposed
of
or
should
be
disposed
of.
So
the
process
that
we've
worked
at
is
that
we're
going
to
come
to
you
regularly
every
month
or
two
with
the
request
to
declare
Surplus
items
so
that
we
can
auction
them
or
dispose
of
them
in
other
ways.
A
All
right
any
other
questions,
hearing
none
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
all
opposed
motion
passes.
The
next
item
is
the
request
for
the
approval
of
the
resolution
2023-006.
The
preliminary
engineering
report
acceptance
and
submitted
to
the
state
of
Indiana
pursuant
to
srf
Loan
program,
Dan
Hudson.
H
For
the
record,
I'm
Dan,
Hudson
capital
projects,
manager
and
I'm
asking
the
board
to
approve
resolution
2023
dice
006
for
the
preliminary
engineering
report
for
the
upgrades
of
the
sanitary
lift
station
and
a
notice
that
we
did
a
public
hearing
on
April
10th
for
these
lift
stations.
I'm
happy
to
entertain
questions.
A
H
Up
again
for
the
record
I'm
Dan
Hudson
capital
projects
manager-
this
is
resolution
2023-008.
It's
the
biddix
acceptance
of
the
contract
award
for
the
Dillman
wastewater
treatment,
plant
bar
screen
and
electrical
feeder
project
bids
were
open
in
the
April
10th
board
meeting,
and
it
was
found
that
athenemann
construction
was
a
the
apparent
low,
responsive
and
responsible
bidder.
The
thenaman
cost,
including
a
mandatory
alternate,
was
three
million
493
thousand.
H
A
H
Yeah,
we
are
familiar
with
this
contractor.
In
fact,
they
worked
on
the
blucher
pool
bar
screen
and
they're
also
currently
replacing
the
bar
screens
at
the
Monroe
plants.
So
so
they
have
experience
in
it
and
we're
satisfied
with
their
cost
estimate.
H
That's
a
that's
a
mandatory
alternate.
The
alternate
includes
a
it's
for
the
electrical
feeder
lines,
we're
hoping
that
we
can
use
a
spare
conduit,
that's
in
the
ground
now,
but
we're
not
sure-
and
the
alternate
is
the
cost
of
replacing
that
conduit
for
that
which
is
fairly
expensive.
This
is
a
big
line.
J
H
A
A
H
A
H
H
A
H
H
M
H
Very
soon,
they're
they're
ready
to
go
they're
just
waiting
for
a
signed
contract.
H
H
Storage
and
I'm
working
with
the
plant
superintendent
on
that
to
make
sure
that
we
will
lose
a
little
water
pressure
on
that
side
of
town.
But
I
think
everything
is
going
to
be.
Okay
and.
I
H
H
H
So
we
had
to
wait
for
the
beginning
of
the
year
in
January
and
February,
in
order
to
go
out
to
bid
to
get
enough
bidders
on
it
and
I
think
that
was
a
good
decision
because
we
had
14
bidders
I,
don't
know
if
you
remember,
I
had
big
stacks
of
stuff,
I
was
opening
up,
and
so
the
cost
was
very
good.
There
was
a
lot
of
competitive
cost
on
this,
so
I
think
we
have
a
very
good
price
and
we
have
a
good
contractor.
I
H
A
M
A
N
Kevin
White
capital
projects
coordinator
requested
approval
for
consultant
services
with
hntb
Corporation
for
the
catalyt
infrastructure
Improvement
project.
This
is
directly
related
to
the
1.9
million
dollar,
ready
grant
that
the
board
has
already
seen
and
approved
so
we're
seeking
hntb
to
perform
a
sewer
capacity
study,
in
addition
to
sewer
engineering,
design,
bid,
assistance
and
construction
engineering
and
any
other
assistance
related
to
implementing
the
ready.
Grant
can
take
some
questions.
D
Yes,
the
20,
approximately
20
of
the
project,
is
at
a
reasonable
set
of
fees
that
that
the
Consultants
charging
the
400
000
out
of
the
two
million
dollar
approximate
2
million
dollar
project.
N
We
adjusted
the
scope
to
incorporate
a
little
bit
more
of
the
sewer
capacity
study
to
make
sure
that
we
were
aligning
the
most
effective
pipes
and
and
also
ensuring
that
we're
relining
the
correct
manholes
that
are
being
most
inundated
with
I
and
I.
So,
yes,
I
mean
that's,
that's
what
we
determined
and
that
there
was
a
certain
amount
laid
out
previously
specified
in
the
contract,
with
the
with
the
ready
Grant
originally,
and
that
fell
within
that
that
a
specified
amount.
O
A
A
J
Hi
good
evening,
Jane
couldn't
be
here
this
evening,
so
I'm
filling
in
for
her.
Yes,
this
is
for
a
water
main
replacement
project
or
relocational
project
related
to
the
Fullerton
Park
Pike
phase,
three
relocation-
it
is
with
Reed
and
Sons
Construction,
and
it's
for
a
dollar
amount
of
426
386
dollars.
J
M
J
A
A
K
Problem
Catherine
Zager
assistant
director
Environmental
I'd,
like
to
request
the
approval
of
the
First
Amendment
to
the
contract
with
fpbh.
The
original
contract
was
for
design,
designing,
stormwater
detention
they
designed
four
locations.
This
amendment
expands
their
scope
to
accommodate
any
revisions
that
are
requested
through
the
review
process.
A
The
okay
all
right,
so
our
next
one
is
the
request
for
the
approval
of
agreements
for
services
with
affordable
fence.
Have
I
got
the
right.
One
Garrett.
P
Hello,
my
name
is
Garrett
tell
I'm
the
superintendent
at
Dillman,
Road,
Wastewater,
Plant
and
I
was
here
to
just
ask
questions
if
there
were
questions,
but
I
guess
I'm
at
the
mic.
So,
yes,
we've
long
been
wanting
to
increase
our
security
at
Dillman
to
just
increase
security
super
busy
place.
We
just
went
through
two
and
a
half
years
of
construction,
but
yeah.
This
gate
will
allow
us
to
to
have
basically
a
gate
closed
at
all
times
and
card
reader
system.
P
Let's
all
authorize
people
in
and
out
it'll
also
Dylan
is
the
only
place
we
accept
domestic
acceptance
being
hauled
in
and
it
will
be
a
way
to
allow
those
folks
to
get
in
and
out
on
weekends,
as
well
as
any
other
time
during
the
day.
It'll
even
help
us
with
the
tracking
and
billing
of
all
those
trips
as
well.
P
Of
users,
good
question,
I
guess
I
say
a
lot
man.
We
can
have
20
30
trucks
in
and
out
in
a
given
Monday
through
Friday.
They
tend
to
be
Workaholics
and
they
haven't
been
very
happy
about
not
being
able
to
come
in
on
Saturdays
or
Sundays,
but
we
really
haven't
allowed
that
for
several
years
now,
just
basically
over
security
issues,
but
even
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
we
get
people
that
wander
in
their
loss
that
we
really
don't
need
in
there.
P
So
yeah
and
it's
been
a
long
process
to
get
all
the
bells
and
whistles
what
started
out
as
a
simple
project
became
much
more
complicated
to
get
all
the
card
reader
systems
and
so
yeah.
This
scope
of
this
is
is
kind
of
the
simple
part
with
the
gate
and
even
the
gate
wasn't
really
simple.
We
went
through
a
lot
of
planning
and
multiple
ideas,
but
I
think
we
finally
have
a
good,
secure
system
that
will
achieve
all
of
our
goals.
A
Any
further
questions
hearing
none
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
opposed
motion
passes
thanks
Garrett.
The
next
item:
have
we
gotten
through
all
the
resolutions?
All
right
just
want
to
make
sure
I
get
all
that
done.
Next,
we
have
a
presentation
from
Vic
on
the
resource,
recovery
program,
feasibility
study
and
I.
Believe
there's
going
to
be
some
information
for
us
up
here
on
the
on
the
street.
Yes,.
C
I
I
wish
the
big
screen
in
the
back
of
the
room
were
available.
You
know
we.
We
really
hope
it's
going
to
be
up
before
we
have
to
give
up
and
rotate
the
chairs
around,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
there
soon.
The
new
television
has
come.
It's
just
not
on
the
wall.
Yet
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
second
phase
of
the
resource
recovery
waste
to
energy
is
what
we've
spoken
of
it
as
in
the
past,
as
well.
I
have
with
me
Tom
mcglassen
from
the
Monroe
County
Solid
Waste,
Management
District.
C
The
the
district
has
cooperated
with
us
in
this
study
to
look
at
the
possibilities
for
organic
for
anaerobic
digestion
and
renewable
natural
gas
formation
from
organic
waste
for
many
sources.
So
I
think
we're
very
thankful
to
the
district
for
participating
with
us
in
the
study.
There
are
a
number
of
firms
involved
in
the
study,
including
Energy
power,
Partners
David,
Barron
of
energy
power.
Partners
was
the
lead
engineer
on
the
study
his
company
has
sold
and
he's
not
able
to
participate
in
the
public
meeting
so
I'm
filling
in
for
David.
C
We
also
have
Richard
Kloss
of
Donna.
You
is
here,
he's
a
engineer
and
a
Matt
cordial
from
cocosing,
and
they
did
some
of
the
financials
in
the
study,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
this
I
know
we're
we're
running
late
tonight,
but
I
think
this
is
a
great
story
to
tell
and
I
and
we'll
get
through
it
as
efficiently
as
we
can
just
by
way
of
overview.
C
I
went
to
okay,
my
way
of
overview.
As
you
know,
we
did
us.
We
did
an
in-house
study
a
couple
of
years
ago
or
three
years
ago,
working
with
a
number
of
people
inside
and
outside
of
city
government,
to
look
really
at
what
we
could
get
in
terms
of
gas
generation
from
our
Wastewater
plants.
At
Dillman
we
determined
that
we
wouldn't
make
enough
gas
there
to
justify
anaerobic
digester
at
that
site.
C
Part
of
the
reason
was
that
the
Dillman
plant
doesn't
have
a
primary
clarifier,
so
most
of
our
so
primary
solids
are
really
an
important
source
of
energy
for
anaerobic
digestion,
but
Dillman
doesn't
have
primary
solids,
so
we
determined
that
it
really
wasn't
going
to
be
feasible
on
further
review.
We
wanted
to
look
at
what
if
we
looked
at
putting
a
facility
at
blucher
pool
and
what
did
we,
what
would
and
also
what
would
be
the
feedstock
market
for
high
strength
or
organic
waste
or
food
waste
that
could
go
into
a
facility
like
this.
C
We
also
wanted
to
look
at
the
uses
for
the
gas
that
would
be
generated
it.
They
can
either
be
used
for
Combined
heat
and
power.
That's
for
operating
the
plant.
We
could
use
the
heat
to
operate,
the
digester.
The
power
would
be
used
to
operate
the
rest
of
the
plant.
We
could
also
generate
renewable
natural
gas
which
could
be
sold
onto
the
pipeline,
and
then
we,
but
we
had
lots
of
other
questions
like
a
renewable
energy
credits.
There's
a
credit
Market
that
we
might
be
able
to
tap
to
get
additional
revenues
in.
C
C
The
study
looked
at
a
whole
bunch
of
different
categories
of
high-strength
organic
waste,
hsow,
that's
stuff
from
foods
and
beverages,
wineries
distilleries,
rendering
plants,
dairies
and
all
of
those
kinds
of
facilities.
A
study
shows
this.
This
map
shows
you
with
the
Dillman
plant
right
in
the
middle
of
the
of
the
study
area.
The
purple
irregularly
shaped
area
is
the
one
hour
driving
time
isochrone
from
the
Dillman
plant,
and
then
the
blue
outside
circle
is
a
75
mile
circle
around
the
dilman
plant,
and
so
you
can
see
there
are
a
lot
of
generators
in
that
area.
C
The
study
did
reach
out
to
those
to
a
bunch
of
the
those
companies.
Some
did
express
some
interest,
a
lot
of
them
more
or
less
weren't,
going
to
say
much
until
they
knew
we
were
going
to
build
something,
so
we
didn't
get.
They
didn't
get
that
far.
This
is
by
the
way.
All
of
this
is
in
the
report
that
that
you've
received
for
for
your
interest.
C
We
also
have
waste
haulers
in
the
in
the
same
map,
and
a
lot
of
those
haulers
are
actually
right
here
in
Monroe,
County
and,
as
Garrett
said,
the
new
gate
that
you
just
approved
will
make
it
easier
for
them
to
drop
things
off
at
the
Dillman
plant.
C
At
the
end
of
the
of
the
the
study
for
feedstocks.
What
we
really,
what
really
was
done
was
to
identify
three
categories
that
were
used
to
do:
scenarios
for
for
the
development
of
a
facility
and
for
its
operations
and
financing
so
by
low
base
and
high
low
means
that
we're
looking
only
at
the
fog
that
we're
currently
receiving
and
not
getting
any
more.
C
The
base
is
based
on
the
market,
research
suggesting
a
possible
increase
of
20
percent
in
the
fog
plus
25
of
of
capture,
from
the
stores
within
an
hour's
Drive
and
then
high,
and
as
we
all,
as
you
may
know,
kroger
and
other
grocery
stores
are
really
aggressively
trying
to
find
ways
to
have
vegetable
waste
digested
in
the
high
case,
we're
looking
at
an
aggressive,
Market
effort
to
get
50
percent
of
the
available
fog
in
the
capture
area.
C
Q
Q
So
what
we
have
here
is
the
existing
Dillman
Road
wastewater
treatment
plant,
as
you
all
may
be
very
familiar
with
across
the
top,
is
basically
the
process
flow
stream,
and
the
dilman
plan
is
somewhat
unique
for
its
size,
as
Vic
mentioned,
it
does
not
have
primary
clarification
right
now,
so
the
the
secondary
sludge
from
the
process
goes
to
some
aerobic
digesters
from
there
to
Belt,
filter,
press
dewatering
and
onto
the
landfill
next
slide.
Please,
so
the
modifications
that
we'd
consider
making
at
Dillman
would
be
installing
High
rate
primary
filtration.
Q
This
is
relatively
new
technology,
I
I
think
when
CBU
looked
at
this
in
the
past,
you
might
have
looked
at
very
large
primary
clarifiers,
very
expensive.
This
is
a
high
rate
technology
that
would
produce
good
primary
solids
that
that
have
the
energy
for
anaerobic
digestion.
Basically,
you
think
of
energy
as
the
carbon
right
and
carbon
goes
to
methane
CH4,
and
if
that
carbon
goes
on
the
aeration
aeration
basins,
we've
got
the
microorganisms
breathing
right
respirating,
just
like
us,
exhaling
CO2,
that
carbons
go
in
the
atmosphere.
Q
So
we
want
to
capture
that
carbon
and
get
it
into
the
sludge
digestion
process.
We
plan
to
repurpose
the
aerobic
digesters
and
all
the
infrastructure
that
was
included
there
in
recent
years,
install
rotary
drum
thickeners
for
for
coal
thickening
of
this
material
drill,
and
then
the
anaerobic
digesters,
the
real
machines
to
produce
the
beneficial
biogas
and
then
on
the
far
right
there.
In
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
we'd
have
plans
to
bring
in
the
blue
triple
solids
at
about
20
solids
content
to
farther
fuel.
Q
Q
Next
slide.
Please!
So
how
do
these
things
compare
for
the
the
various
base
case
or
the
various
cases
that
Vic
presented?
We
have
a
column
for
no
high
strength,
organic
waste,
low,
medium
and
high,
and
as
we
go
down
the
the
rows
here,
we
get
to
a
row
constructing
about
Midway,
constructing
new
aerobic
digesters,
and
we
need
two
of
them
for
everything
but
the
base
case.
And
then,
if
we
went
from
base
case
to
high
we'd
need
a
third.
Q
So
it
gets
more
expensive
at
that
point
and
then
other
things
here
as
we
go
down,
the
list
we'd
have
more
high
strength,
organic
waste
receiving,
of
course,
as
we
took
on
more
and
then
of
interest,
is
the
CHP,
the
combined
heat
and
Power
Systems.
How
many
kilowatts
may
be
generated
with
this
process
so
for
the
medium
case,
and
maybe
a
thousand
for
the
high
case,
maybe
two
thousand
then
similar
for
the
renewable
natural
gas.
Q
At
this
time,
Matt
cordial
of
Kokosing,
we
developed
a
conceptual
engineering
plan
here
to
the
extent
where
kokolson
could
provide
a
very
good
cost
thanks.
B
B
So
could
you
go
ahead
and
pull
up
the
first
slide,
please
so
to
explain
a
little
bit
about
what
you
see
so
there's
there's
two
slides
you'll,
see
with
the
capital
cost
estimates
and
in
looking
at
this
project
and
working
with
Donahue
Richard
and
his
team,
they
came
up
with
conceptual
Concepts
and
some
design
scenarios
that
we
looked
at
utilizing
our
estimating
software
our
experience,
historical
projects,
as
well
as
getting
real-time
vendor
pricing
and
information
that
made
up
the
varying
components
of
the
project.
B
So,
if
you'll
see,
if
you
look
down
on
the
columns
to
the
right,
where
you
have
none
low
base
and
high
for
each
scenario,
the
equipment
will
change
slightly.
In
most
cases,
most
of
the
equipment
for
the
varying
structures
would
be
the
same
throughout.
But,
what's
important
to
know
is
that
the
anaerobic
digesters
in
the
high
strength
scenario
would
require
three
digesters
and
all
of
the
other
scenarios
requires
two
and
that's
why,
in
the
the
previous
map,
you
saw
that
Richard
show.
You
saw
a
placeholder
for
a
third
digester.
B
If
you
were
to
go
to
that
level
and
in
between
the
low
and
the
base
scenarios,
it's
the
very
number
of
Tanks
high
strength,
organic
waste
tanks.
You
have
so.
The
low
strength
scenario
requires
two
high
strength:
organic
waste
tanks.
The
base
requires
three
and
the
high
would
require
four.
So
those
would
be
the
primary
differences
in
the
numbers
that
you
see.
What's
also
important
is,
as
you
look
across
to
the
left
side.
B
You'll
see
a
column
that
says
48C
ITC
eligible,
so
part
of
this
project
or
components
of
this
project
would
be
eligible
for
the
investment
tax
credit
which
we'll
talk
about
here
shortly,
and
that
would
help
offset
some
of
the
costs
based
on
some
of
the
rebates
that
would
be
available
and
directly
paid
back
to
to
the
city
and
then
the
resource
so
across
the
bottom.
The
big
picture
we
said
so
what
kind
of
project
cost
are
we
talking
about
here?
B
So
based
on
the
scenarios
you
could
be
looking
at
anywhere
between
50
million
and
64
million
dollars
for
the
different
scenarios
of
the
project,
but
components
of
it?
8.3
million
is
already
captured
in
your
Capital
Improvements
program
and
then
those
components
it
would
be
eligible
for
the
48C
ITC
program
would
help
offset
a
lot
of
those
costs
and
we're
anticipating,
40
percent
or
so
of
eligible
items
would
comply
with
that
credit
on
the
very
bottom,
you
see
P3
cases.
It
was
also
analyzed
as
far
as
doing
certain
components
as
a
P3.
B
So
this
this
is
for
Combined
heat
and
power.
Only
so
Vic.
Could
you
go
to
the
next
slide
please.
So
this
is
the
same
scenario
but
for
renewable
natural
gas.
The
big
difference
in
the
in
the
the
two
scenarios
is
the
renewable
natural
gas
components
has
different
biogas
utilization
equipment
components,
but
all
the
other
components
of
the
project
stay
the
same.
So
most
of
the
costs
are
very
relative,
but
we
did
find
that
the
renewable
natural
gas
component
was
slightly
more
expensive
than
the
combined
heat
and
Power.
C
Just
for
clarification,
P3
stands
for
public-private
partnership,
so
that
would
be
in
the
case
of
the
p3-funded
item.
Scenarios
and
you'll
see
those
in
a
moment.
Those
would
be
completely
constructed
and
operated
by
an
outside
contractor.
So
we've
looked
at
the
two
extremes:
one
is
that
the
utilities
department
takes
on
the
project.
The
other
would
be
that
an
outside
vendor
took
on
the
entire
project
and
then,
of
course,
it's
possible
to
negotiate
a
scenario
somewhere
in
between
there,
which
may
be
preferable
as
well.
C
The
other
thing
is
that,
with
renewable
natural
gas,
the
reason
the
way
that
is
used
is
we'd
actually
be
selling
it
onto
the
pipeline,
which
runs
right
past
the
plant.
So
there
are
Financial
incentives.
I
know
everyone
always
asks
about
this,
but
there
are
Financial
incentives
for
us
to
pursue
this.
The
first
one
is
to
look
at
the
possibility
of
getting
rebates
from
duke
foreign
for
electrical
power.
That's
generated
and
exceeds
our
demand.
The
yellow
line
is
the
so-called
base
case.
C
The
red
line
is
the
low
case,
and
the
green
line
is
the
high
case
for
the
amount
of
electric
power
we
would
be
generating.
The
blue
line
is
the
actual
usage
at
the
Dillman
plant
from
2020
to
2022.,
so
you'll
see
that
the
the
so-called
base
case,
more
or
less
offsets
are
offsets
the
electric
utilization
of
the
plant.
We
are
not
eligible
for
net
metering,
so
all
we
would
get
as
an
incentive
from
duke
would
be
the
the
the
excess
the
we
would
only
get
the
cost
of
of
their
generating
the
the
the
power.
C
C
Another
way
that
we
can,
we
would
be
able
to
raise
revenue
from
a
project
like
this
would
be
something
called
Rin
Pathways.
This
is
about
renewable.
These
are
credits
for
the
generation
of
renewable
energy
and
what
happens
is
companies
are
required?
Large
companies
in
large
fuel
companies
and
and
energy
companies
are
required
to
have
a
portfolio
of
Renewables
at
their
disposal,
but
if
they
can't
generate
them
themselves,
they
have
the
ability
to
purchase
these
credits
from
organizations
that
can
more
effectively
generate
them.
C
So
in
our
case
we
would
have
waste
water,
sludge
and
other
feedstocks
that
we
could
convert
into
renewable
energy.
We
would
receive
the
credits
and
then
those
credits
can
be
sold
on
on
on
a
market
to
the
companies
that
need
them
over
time.
The
the
amount
of
renewable
credit
energy
that
our
renewable
energy
that
the
energy
companies
has
to
have
to
have
in
their
portfolios
increases
with
time.
So
this
is
a
market-based
scheme
for
of
for
allowing
companies
and
organizations
that
can
affect
that
can
inexpensively
pursue
Renewables
to
to
move
the
move.
C
C
you'll
see
they
go
up
and
down
the
and
if
you
notice
the
decline
that
happened
from
2018
into
until
21,
that
was
a
a
policy
choice
that
was
made
in
Washington
regarding
the
need
for
those
big
energy
companies
to
increase
their
to
report,
their
portfolio
so
you'll
see
there
is
some
uncertainty,
both
political
and
business
uncertainty
and
the
value
of
these
credits
going
forward,
which
adds
some
risk
to
a
project
like
this.
C
Matt
referred
to
an
investment
tax
credit.
This
was
included
in
the
recent
inflation
reduction
act.
This
investment
tax
credit
offsets
a
portion
of
the
cost
of
building
the
the
renewable
energy
facilities.
In
our
case,
the
digester
itself
generator
gear
and
all
of
those
kinds
of
things
would
be
eligible
for
it.
There
would
be
a
base
credit
value
of
six
percent.
Another
two
percent
Base
Credit
bonus.
C
If
the
project
is
constructed
in
a
manner
that
meets
domestic
content
requirements,
which
would
be
consistent
with
what
the
city
of
Bloomington
does
anyway,
there's
also
a
base
credit
bonus
for
being
located
in
an
energy
Community,
which
is
a
community
that
once
had
a
significant
energy
industry,
but
doesn't
anymore,
we
may
not
be
eligible
for
that
one,
but
then
there's
a
five
times.
Base
Credit
bonus.
C
So
those
items
are
in
the
20s
of
millions
of
dollars
in
most
cases,
so
you
might
think
of
that,
as
possibly
being
as
much
as
eight
or
nine
million
dollars
in
investment
tax
credit.
If
the
city,
if
our
department
did
a
project
like
this,
that
tax
credit
would
arrive
in
the
form
of
a
check
to
the
to
the
to
the
department,
it
would
be
executed
differently
if
it
was
done
with
the
P3.
C
C
Of
the
cost
of
the
equipment
for
the
for
it's,
it's
a
it's
a
credit
on
the
biogas
property,
which
is
the
digester
biogas,
converters
and
and
conditioning,
and
all
that
sort
of
thing.
So
we
would
get
that
fraction
of
the
cost
of
those
devices
would
be
would
be
our
credit
since
we
don't
pay
since
we
don't
pay
taxes,
they'll
just
give
us
the
cash
yeah
yeah
we
look.
The
the
study
looks
at
two
approaches
to
funding
it.
One
is
the
self-funded
through
CBU.
C
The
initial
calculations
were
based
on
a
20-year
bond
with
a
five
to
six
percent
interest
rate.
We
can
probably
better
than
do
better
than
that
on
the
rate
with
srf
financing
and
the
ITC.
The
investment
tax
credit
would
be
direct
paid
back
to
us
with
the
public-private
partnership.
That's
assuming
a
20-year
contract
that
would
be
entirely
Equity
funded
by
the
vendor,
and
we
expect
that
the
outside
parties
would
be
looking
for
a
10
percent
rate
of
return.
C
So,
in
the
end,
all
the
information
that
comes
together
here
ends
up
in
a
financial
model.
That's
actually
an
Excel
spreadsheet
that
we
could
actually
provide
to.
If
you
want
to
experiment
with
it,
you
can
change
change
the
assumptions,
so
you
could
assume,
for
example,
that
the
Rin
credit
Market
crashes
or
you
can
assume
that
we
get
a
whole
lot
of
additional
organic
waste
or
or
whatnot
and
see
how
the
finances
all
work
out.
C
The
way
it
was
set
up
for
the
study
either
originally
16
scenarios.
We
took
six
of
them
out
because
they
were
just
completely
impossible
and
we
ended
up
with
10
remaining
scenarios,
five
of
them
for
Combined
heat
and
power,
and
five
of
them
for
renewable
natural
gas.
Some
of
them
have
the
P3,
and
some
of
them
are
completely
self-funded
by
CBU
and
just
to
show
you
where
they
end
up
this
bar
graph,
the
zero
line.
It's
it's
hard
to
see,
but
the
the
bars
go
up
or
down
from
zero.
C
You
can
see
that
most
of
the
scenarios
do
not
Break
Even,
but
a
few
of
them
do
so.
The
base
case
for
a
CBU
funded
CHP
project
actually
makes
a
couple
of
million
dollars
over
a
20-year
period.
The
high
volume
of
waste
actually
makes
significant
money,
maybe
15
million
dollars
over
the
20-year
period
on
the
RNG
version,
only
the
high
volume
scenario
ends
up
making
money
so
and
then
all
of
the
P3
scenarios
end
up
being
a
net
cap
a
net
outlay
by
CBU
to
the
to
the
outside
parties.
C
C
So
for
the
financial
model,
again,
we
still
do
not
produce
enough
Wastewater
to
make
anaerobic
digestion
financially
self-sustaining,
so
we
would
have
to,
and
in
order
to
make
money
on
something
like
this,
we
would
have
to
capitalize
on
the
investment
tax
credits
and
environmental
credits
that
are
available.
Project
does
have
potential
to
reach
economy
of
scale
such
that
it
would
be
financially
self-sustaining
and
private
party
would
have
a
higher
cost
of
capital
than
we
would
and,
of
course,
they
would
want
to
make
a
a
return
on
their
investment.
C
C
Again,
a
project
like
this
satisfies
more
than
just
your
pocketbook
there's
also
a
triple
bottom
line.
Then
the
triple
bottom
line
is
looking
not
only
at
the
financial
impact
but
also
societal
impacts
and
other
and
other
impacts
that
benefit
the
community,
the
city
and
and
Monroe
County.
Both
have
climate
action
and
sustainability
plans
in
place.
A
project
like
this
actually
addresses
a
number
of
items
that
are
in
the
sustainability
and
climate
action
plans
just
because
they
reduce
our.
C
They
do
things
like
reducing
the
amount
of
waste
that
goes
to
the
landfill,
something
that
we
we
had
not
mentioned
yet
is
that
we
are
presuming
at
this
point
that
this
project
would
generate
class
biosolids
that
would
be
suitable
for
land
application
on
Farm
fields.
We
could
those
biosolids
could
be
made
into
class
Say
by
doing
further
digestion
on
the
prop
on
the
process
that
would
cost
more,
but
those
Class,
A
biosolids
could
be
available
for
you
to
just
pick
up
and
put
in
your
in
your
garden
and
so
forth.
C
So
we
would
be
reducing
the
amount
of
waste
that
would
go
to
the
landfill.
Potentially,
we
would
be
helping
maintain
soil
quality
and
we
would
be
reducing
eliminating
the
cost
of
hauling
these
these
biosolids
to
Terre
Haute,
to
put
them
in
the
landfill.
So
there
is
a
significant
benefit
there.
There
are
also
other
benefits:
job
creation.
There
would
be
lots
of
construction
jobs
during
the
project.
There
would
also
be
full-time
operating
positions
needed
to
keep
it
going.
C
This
would
be
also
a
sustainable
Organics
disposal
facility
for
local
businesses,
so
it
would
give
presumably
restaurants
and
organ
institutions
a
place
to
send
things
like
food
waste
that
would
not
require
them,
landfilling,
it
so
there's
some
opportunities
there.
Eventually,
if,
if
things
worked
out,
eventually
there
might
be
interest
in
some
sort
of
residential
collection
system,
that's
really
difficult
to
do
so.
At
this
point,
we
are
not
assuming
that
that
would
be
happening
and,
of
course,
there'd
be
Community.
C
Schedule
you
want
to
know
when
this
could
happen.
Well,
if
this
was
something
that
we
want
to
explore
and
and
and
look
at
there
actually
is
a
deadline
involved,
and
that
is,
we
have
to
start
construction
by
the
end
of
2024
to
qualify
for
the
investment
tax,
credit
and
project
construction,
starting
means
more
than
just
maybe
grading.
It's
there's
more
to
it
than
that.
You'd
have
to
have
spent
part
of
the
money
on
your
equipment
and
so
forth,
so
it
it
would
be
a
a
sizable
lift
to
continue
the
investigation.
C
It's
worth
con,
continuing
to
investigate
it
and
look
at
who
our
partners
might
be
in
a
project
like
this,
both
public
and
private,
and
try
to
really
get
a
handle
on
what
what
we
think
the
risks
and
what
everybody's
stomach
for
risk
would
be
for
a
project
like
this.
But
presumably,
if
we
did
start
construction
by
the
January
1st
of
2025
facility
could
be
in
operations
in
in
the
second
half
of
2026..
C
So
a
bunch
of
conclusions
Dillman
is
a
better
place
to
put
this
than
blucher
pool,
mostly
because
it's
right
next
to
the
highway
and
it's
easy
to
get
there.
We,
the
implementing
the
grit
removal
and
high
rate
filtration
that
Dillman,
would
help
our
existing
operations.
One
of
the
things
about
taking
the
the
primary
solids
out
before
it
goes
to
aeration
would
mean
that
the
Dillman
plant,
as
it
sits
today,
the
facilities
we
have
now
wouldn't
have
to
treat
as
much
bod
as
they
as
they
do,
because
we
would
be
taking
a
lot
of
it
out.
C
So
this
would
give
our
plant
the
possibility
of
getting
up
to
perhaps
25
million
gallons
per
day
in
the
future
and
Longevity
as
well.
Yes,
yes,
the
volumes
of
waste
in
the
region
could
support
a
significant
tip
fee
revenue
and
the
additional
biogas
production
would
be
obviously
beneficial.
C
The
biogas
use
that
we
looked
at
was
combined
heat
and
power,
and
renewable
natural
gas
CHP
has
the
higher
higher
economic
potential
for
our
particular
circumstance.
C
So
if
we're
really
serious
about
reducing
our
carbon
footprint,
that's
not
going
to
happen
for
free,
so
the
the
question
I
might
I
might
pose
is:
would
a
project
like
this
be
less
expensive
than
some
of
our
other
Alternatives
might
be
for
achieving
the
same
carbon
reduction
and
I?
Think
that
that,
if,
if
you
look
at
it
in
those
lights,
even
if
it
didn't
Break
Even
financially,
it
might
be
a
very
the
least
expensive
means
for
the
city
or
for
the
utilities
to
achieve
those
kinds
of
goals
and
I.
C
Think
oh
yeah,
Regional
cooperation,
as
you
know,
this
was
publicly
funded
by
the
study
was
studied,
was
both
CBU
and
the
Monroe
County
Solid
Waste
Management
District.
We
also
can
reach
out
to
Columbus
and
other
communities
nearby.
As
you
know,
Columbus
and
the
city
of
Bloomington
have
are
engaged
in
a
a
regional
climate
initiative,
so
that
may
be
a
really
good
opportunity
for
us
to
work
with
them.
There
are
also
private
companies,
Indiana
University
and
other
organizations
that
could
could
join
in
on
something
like
this.
C
So
we
presented
this
material
to
the
Solid
Waste
Management
District
board
last
on
April
13th,
today
we're
presenting
it
here.
We
have
planned
a
public
information
session
at
the
Monroe
Convention
Center
to
try
and
reach
out
to
larger
cross-section
of
the
community,
including
business,
and
then
we
can
continue
to
look
at
this.
Based
on
the
the
feedback
we
get
over.
The
from
the
the
boards
and
from
the
public-
and
we
certainly
would
like
to
know
if
our
community
is
interested
in
us-
continuing
to
examine
this
possibility
for
the
future
of
our
waste
stream.
C
O
C
C
Because
net
metering,
I
I,
don't
think
there's
no
one.
It's.
C
It's
a
commercial
facility,
it's
a
it's
an
industrial
facility.
It's
not
a
home
and
net
metering
is
going
away
in
a
certain
number
of
years.
Anyway,.
O
C
Yeah
Fort
Wayne
is
doing
this
right
now.
In
fact,
they've
been
expanding
their
facility,
West
Lafayette,
I
I
hate
to
do
the
Purdue
thing,
but
yeah
West
Lafayette
actually
has
one
and
they
do
take
food
waste
from
Purdue.
There
is
an
anaerobic
digester
plant
in
Evansville,
but
I
don't
think
they
take
outside
waste.
Is
that
right?
C
They
do
not
so,
but
in
Northern
Indiana
there,
where
there
are
lots
of
feedlots
and
and
things
like
that,
there
are
lots
of
anaerobic
digester
sites
in
Northern
Indiana
that
are
doing
these
kinds
of
projects
too
to
power
the
their
operations
Fair
Oaks
Farms
you
drive
by
on
the
way
to
Chicago
they.
They
have
a
digester
that
does
most
of
their
their
power
generation,
for
example.
So
it's
we
would
be
pretty
unique
in
Southern
Indiana
you
saw
the
that
75
mile
circle
and
the
and
the
one
hour
area
around
Bloomington.
C
I
D
What
I
mean
just
I
didn't
read
the
whole
report:
I
read
the
executive
summary
I'm
wondering:
will
we
have
another
opportunity
to
to
ask
questions
about
this?
I,
don't
know
where
all
the
other
board
members
stand.
If
they
read
the
whole
reporter
and
feel
feel
fully
prepared
to
to
ask
all
the
questions
they
might
have.
I'll.
J
M
Q
The
Rin
credits
and
the
trading
of
written
credits-
you
have
those
for
RNG
or
CHP,
but
with
the
combined
heat
and
power,
you
are
offsetting
that
that
very
large
Dillman
Road
energy
demand
that
you
have
right
now.
So
it's
more
in
your
control,
I
would
say
yes
than
what
might
happen
with
the
natural
gas
that
you'd
be
selling
to
the
pipeline.
C
In
terms
of
a
further
opportunity
to
discuss
all
of
this,
we
are
planning
a
public
information
meeting
that
I
would
like
to
have
be
a
really
conversational.
We've
scheduled
it
at
the
convention
center
for
the
18th
of
May
and
we'll
we'll
make
sure
everybody
on
all
the
boards
are
invited
to
come.
This
is
just
really
an
opportunity
to
give
perhaps
a
more
expanded
version
of
this
presentation
and
share
whatever
information
that
we
can
about
the
potential
for
something
like
this
in
Bloomington.
C
This
is
this
is
kind
of
a
blue
sky
project,
but
I
it
it
is.
There
was
a
there's,
an
article
that
was
included
with
your
packet
today,
about
where.
C
Wastewater,
anaerobic
digestion
can
fit
into
the
overall
question
about
how
we
deal
with
climate
crisis,
so
it's
very
interesting
possibility.
One
of
the
things
I
think
is
that
it.
It
would
certainly
be
a
point
of
Pride
to
be
a
to
have
a
Wastewater
Plant
that
was
Net
Zero
on
on
electricity.
That
would
be
pretty
amazing.
A
C
Just
wait:
I'll
just
wait,
but
we'll
talk
about
this
anytime,
so
I
know
the
environmental
subcommittee
is
going
to
be
meeting
sometime
in
the
near
future.
That
might
be
a
great
opportunity
to
continue
the
conversation
actually.
C
A
C
Think
that'd
be
a
great
idea
and-
and
please
any
questions
you
have
please
reach
out
yeah.
It
is
a
big
topic.
It
is
a
big
concept
with
a
lot
of
moving
parts
and
it's
the
kind
of
thing
I
that
I've
spoken
with
the
mayor
about
it,
he's
enthusiastic
about
us
coming
up
with
better
ways
to
deal
with
our
waste.
C
I
know
the
Solid
Waste
Management
District,
like
the
reason
they
exist,
is
to
get
waste
out
of
landfills
and
we'd
be
helping
to
do
that,
but
the
but
it's
risky
and
to
really
the
identifying
what
risk
we're
willing
to
to
take
on
as
a
community
to
find
to
achieve
the
benefits
we
would
get
and
how
hard
we
want
to
sell
the
service
of
of
of
selling
high
strength
waste
treatment.
C
You
know,
from
my
perspective,
we're
in
the
Wastewater
business
here,
so
that's
a
place
where
really
I
would
want
to
have
an
outside
party
that
had
some
skin
in
the
game.
That
would
be.
That
would
have
the
context
to
really
push
that
market,
that
marketing
effort
and
I
I
think
a
project
like
this
is
one
that
that
would
be
a
great
one
to
embark
on
Community
Partnerships
to
try
and
make
something
like
this
happen.
That
would
be
good
for
our
community.
E
And
I
didn't
read
the
whole
report
either,
but
a
little
Curiosity
on
the
risk
that
you
talk
about
I,
think
the
Project's
pretty
exciting.
But
when
I'm
thinking
of
risk,
I'm
thinking
of
I
know
like
for
power
outages,
you
rely
on
electricity,
so
you're
dependent
on
that
as
as
opposed
to.
If
you
did
the
combined
heat
and
power
option
that
does
provide
a
little.
Does
that
provide
a
little
bit
of
redundancy
in
your
system
so
that
you
could
operate
in
Theory
without
being
dependent
on
electricity
or
diesel
fuel
backup.
C
D
Regarding
the
schedule
we
had
it
up
on
the
screen
just
for
a
short
time.
I
guess
my
suggestion
would
be
like
at
the
next
meeting.
We
have
an
agenda
item
when
we,
where
we
can
talk
about
the
essential
next
steps
and
the
the
time
frame
for
those
just
as
we've
done
for
technologically
a
much
less
complex
project.
Sure
and
just
maybe
set
aside
some
time
at
the
next
few
meetings,
where
we
can
ask
questions
as
they
come
up
and
as
you
have
more
information
to
present,
we.
D
A
A
Is
it
truly
realistic,
given
the
construction
market
and
and
Workforce
and
supplies,
and
the
red
Hoops
that
we
have
to
or
the
the
loops
that
we
have
to
jump
through
I
mean
is?
Is
it
realistic
for
us
to
to
go
down
this
path
with
anticipation
of
getting
that
credit
I.
C
Think
the
way
to
do
that
is
to
to
find
the
partners
that
you
want
to
work
with
and
build
a
team.
A
project
team
there
are.
There
are
companies
that
actually
do
this
kind
of
project
and
and
have
have
the
expertise
to
pull
all
those
pieces
together,
pulling
together.
People
like
Matt
and
Richard
and
and
and
and
and
so
I
think.
C
A
Q
M
Q
Yeah,
it's
a
very
good
distinction
because
you
have
to
break
ground
by
the
end
of
2024,
so
there
there's,
you
don't
have
to
be
complete
by
a
certain
time.
So
a
lot
of
the
supply
chain
issues
you're
talking
about
where
electrical
components,
motor
control
centers,
are
taking
a
year
to
get
her
longer.
Q
Those
don't
come
into
play
here
as
long
as
you
as
long
as
you're,
to
move
through
the
steps
and
get
started
on
time.
Yeah.
A
Q
Most
definitely:
okay,
yes,
good
one
year.
Design
is
fully
ample
and
what
we
can
do
in
cases
like
this
is
focus
on
that
specification
for,
say
the
the
combined
seat,
heat
and
power
generators
and
and
get
those
early
procured,
in
which
case
you're,
you're
meeting
that
definition,
so
there
are
ways
to
do
it.
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Any
other
questions
right
well,
I'd,
like
to,
on
behalf
of
the
board,
thank
you
for
putting
in
all
this
work
into
getting
this
together.
I
think
it's
a
very,
very
exciting
thing
for
us
to
be
considering
and
Vic.
Thank
you
for
giving
the
presentation
all
right.
So
if
having
nothing
else
on
that
topic,
we
shall
move
to
Old
business.
Is
there
any
old
business
from
the
board
any
old
business
from
staff
new
business
for
the
board
new
business
from
staff?
Yes,.
C
Chris
wheeler
came
up
with
a
suggestion.
The
other
day
and
I
think
it's
a
great
one.
I
spoke
with
President
Burnham
about
it
and,
and
she
agreed
with
the
notion
of
it.
When
we
do
projects
that
require
bids,
we
send
them
out
to
bid
the
bids
come
back.
We
schedule
a
bid
opening
at
a
board
meeting
two
weeks
later,
you
was
you
award
the
bid
and
then
two
weeks
after
that
we
do
the
contract
other
commit
other
similar
boards
in
the
city.
Don't
work
that
way.
C
For
example,
the
Board
of
Public
Works
has
a
work
session
on
Monday
to
open
the
bids
for
the
meeting
on
Tuesday.
So
they
do
the
board
of
they
do
the
bid
award
on
the
day
just
right
after
the
bids,
because
you
really
it
doesn't
require
a
quorum
of
the
board
to
open
bids.
It
only
requires
one
member
to
open
bids.
C
So
the
suggestion
is
that
we
could
host
a
a
work
set
session,
a
board
work
session,
perhaps
on
the
Thursday
before
the
Monday
that
has
a
board
meeting
and
the
the
board
members
could
rotate
through
the
service
of
coming
to
to
witness
the
bid
opening,
so
that
we
can
then
bring
the
results
of
the
bid
opening
and
the
award
documents
to
the
board
on
Monday.
This
would
take
two
weeks
out
of
every
bid
bid
procurement
that
we
did
so
that
would
help
help
facilitate
moving
projects
forward.
A
Did
bring
this
up
to
me
and
I
did
not
feel
that
this
was
a
decision
that
I
should
make
without
a
little
input
from
you
folks,
because
I
do
know
that
many
of
you
have
questions
during
what
guys
also
I
mean
as
long
as
we
have
the
engineering
estimate.
That
tends
to
be
one
of
the
the
big
questions
that
people
ask
time
and
time
again
the
bid
openings
really
don't
require
us
to
say
or
do
anything
we're
just
witnessing
it.
So
if,
if
there's
any
go
ahead,
Jim.
O
Does
that
mean
that
the
folks
involved
in
it
would
have
four
days
to
vet
the
best
bidder
yeah?
Is
that
sufficient?
Yes,.
I
Ahead
Kirk
sounds
like
a
good
idea,
because
we'd
still
it'd
still
be
a
public
meeting
and
we'd
advertise
it
and
the
public
would
be
able
to
view
the
the
opening
and
that's
really
I,
think
the
spirit
of
things
and.
A
C
We
could
send
that
we
could
send
the
tabulation
out
after
the
after
the
bid
opening
we
could
send
that
to
the
board
members
for
their
for
their
eyes.
You
know
and
of
course,
there's
nothing
to
keep
all
of
you
from
coming
for
the
for
the
bid
openings,
but
but
we
would
only
require
one.
C
A
All
right
and
then
subcommittee
reports
and
that
oh
yes,
go
ahead
on
Thursday
for
a
bid
opening.
Is
that
a
special
case,
excellent
question?
No,
it
is
not
a
special
case.
We
only
need
one
person
here.
This
Thursday
and
I
am
happy
to
be
here.
If
there
are
others
that
want
to
be
here
or
can't,
I
will
I'll
take
this
turn
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thanks
for
bringing
that
up,
I
appreciate
that
all
right.
The
next
item
is
subcommittee
reports
and
that
is
Mr
White.
I
All
right,
so
let's
do
that
then
I
move
that
we
table
resolution
20
2023-007.
I
Yeah,
so
that's
what
we've
done
the
the
subcommittee
did
meet
and
had
a
good
discussion
and
We've
tabled
the
resolution
at
the
subcommittee
level,
and
we
will
we
will
revisit
it
at
an
upcoming
meeting.
I
A
And
we
will
so
we
will
be
having
that.
We
will
continue
that
the
planning,
sorry,
the
property
and
planning
committee
meeting.
We
will
continue
that
discussion
at
the
on
May
8th,
beginning
at
four
o'clock
same
place.
Thank
you
all
right.
O
To
win
a
full
hour
from
four
to
five
I
guess
it
doesn't
hurt
I.
A
A
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
the
next
item
is
then
staff
reports,
thank
you
Vic
and
then
any
petitions
or
Communications
from
anyone
else
all
right.
Thank
you
board
members,
because
it
is
very
important
what
we
are
doing
right
now,
we're
talking
about
a
large
project.
A
That
is
if
this
does
go
to
fruition,
both
projects,
as
a
matter
of
fact
we're
talking
about
a
building
project
which
we've
heard
numbers
of
you
know:
38
million,
and
now
this
we've
seen
all
kinds
of
numbers,
50
million.
You
know
this
is
this-
is
a
lot
of
money
and
I
appreciate
staff's
time
and
everybody
else,
that's
involved
in
terms
of
exterior
Chris,
wheeler
I
appreciate
your
time.
We
appreciate
your
time
and
board
members.
Thank
you
for
doing
your
due
diligence
on
this
as
well.