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From YouTube: January 26, 2021 HRA Commission Regular Meeting
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A
A
And
commissioner
orson
is
present
on
to
the
agenda,
we're
looking
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
for
this
evening.
B
A
A
And
thorson
has
an
eye
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
passes
unanimously
on
to
the
minutes
of
january
12.
2021.
Are
there
any
questions,
additions,
corrections
to
those
minutes.
D
Commissioner
olsen
moves
that
we
approve
the
minutes
of
that.
E
E
Up
sorry,
the
only
change
to
the
calendar
if
you'll
notice
is
the
special
meeting
in
february
to
to
continue
this
discussion
of
the
strategic
plan,
and
that
has
been
scheduled
for
the
16th
of
february.
The
same
time
5
30
to
whenever
we
finish.
D
Thank
you
I
noticed,
and
by
the
way
I
hadn't
put
in
the
whole
calendar
for
this
year,
and
I
have
it
all
in
there
now
and
I
made
this
addition,
but
I
noticed
that
when
we
get
into
june-
or
something
like
that
in
july,
that
we
are
scheduled
back
into
the
the
building
and
of
course
that's
tentative.
Maybe
we
can
go
earlier
into
that
mode,
but
thanks
to
the
staff
for
anticipating,
based
on
good
thinking
by
the
by
the
city,
administration,.
D
Unless
there's
more
con
comment,
I
will
move
approval
of
this
modified
calendar
for
2021.
F
Thank
you,
mr
myra,
did
you
send
out?
The
men
are
the
oldest
for
the
16th
of
february,
because
I
am
looking
don't
find
it.
E
E
A
Thorson
is,
and
I
motion
passes,
to
amend
the
calendar
on
to
a
new
business.
Do
we
have
any
for
this
evening.
A
G
Good
evening,
commissioners,
sherry
show
quest
with
the
hra.
Please
give
me
a
moment.
While
I
pull
up
the.
G
G
G
G
So
this
evening's
opportunity
housing
project
update.
I
will
focus
primarily
on
the
information
that
is
new
from
our
last
meeting.
G
Our
goals
remain
to
promote
the
development,
affordable
housing
preserve,
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing
and
furthering
product
development
in
the
city.
Our
projects
in
the
pipeline.
This
is
the
overall
map
this.
The
plant
department
has
not
updated
this
since
october,
but
at
your
next
project
update,
you
will
see
some
changes
in
this
map.
G
G
If
they
receive
their
certificate
of
occupancy
sometime
in
february,
they
will
be
reaching
out
to
tenants
to
give
them
that
option.
The
hra
staff
is
working
with
the
leasing
office
and,
I
think,
has
referred
at
least
a
dozen
potential
tenants
or
residents
to
the
leasing
office
at
the
district.
The
website
is
up
here.
I
encourage
you
to
take
a
look
at
that
at
your
leisure.
I
include
some
new
photos,
the
entrance
the
streetscape.
G
This
is
the
model
unit
that
prospective
tenants
can
make
appointments
to
go
in
and
and
see
prior
to
lisa,
and
these
are
some
photos
of
the
entry
mailboxes,
the
elevator
area,
as
well
as
the
north
entry
pairs.
The
club
room
with
a
club
room
fireplace
and
the
photo
without
the
carpet
is
the
yoga
room.
The
photo
with
the
carpet
will
be
the
fitness
center
and
then
a
photo
of
the
underground
parking.
G
One
thing
to
mention
with
the
district
is
our
the
developers
with
both
united
properties
and
stuart
co
are
very,
would
very
much
like
the
hra
commission
to
come
and
take
a
tour
of
the
property
in
person.
However,
the
public
health
department
in
the
city
of
bloomington
would
not
support
that.
G
A
Real
quick
sheriff
orson
here
is:
is
the
health
department's
wreck?
Is
this
a
recommendation
or
a
strong
discouragement
of
an
in-person,
whether
it
be
the
entire
commission
or
individual
small
groups
whatever,
but
tell
me
about
that?
Is
it
a
recommendation.
H
It's
beyond
a
recommendation,
as
there
is
currently
a
policy
in
place
for
the
staff
of
the
city
and
gathering
and
coming
together
and
even
working
in
the
office.
So
it's
beyond
a
recommendation.
G
Thank
you,
village
club
172.
The
new
construction,
as
you
know,
is,
is
currently
under
construction
with
occupancy
planned,
probably
in
september
of
21.
G
Flats
be
pleased
to
repeat
that
this
proc
posed
on
its
financing
in
december.
There
have
been
environmental
response
funds
awarded
by
the
state
and
we
expect
to
receive
notice
of
a
potential
award
from
hennepin
county
construction
begins
any
day
now
and
is
estimated
to
be
complete
by
december
2021.
G
So
at
the
end
of
this
year,
and
we
will
be
releasing
a
media
announcement
that
the
when
the
project
begins
construction
with
the
the
all
of
the
funding
awards
from
the
city
this
the
county,
and
we
will
be
also
planning
a
much
larger
media
release
and
hopefully
in-person
tour
of
the
development
once
once.
G
It
is
complete
at
the
end
of
this
year
and
terrace,
it
had
decided
not
to
go
for
the
january
bond
funding
application
and
will
likely
apply
to
for
rfp
process
from
the
state
minnesota
housing
this
summer
and
then
potential
developments,
and
that
will
be
before
you
probably.
The
first
cycle
of
march
is
80
20.
What's
80
12
old
cedar
avenue,
the
numbers
are
backwards.
There
68
units
six
units
at
their
ami
with
the
mix
of
57
and
80
income
averaging.
G
G
This
project
is
more
than
double
the
density
that
is
currently
allowed
on
site
at
old,
cedar
and
and
80th
street.
We
will
be
adding
increased
density
in
in
sight
area
to
the
opportunity,
housing
ordinance
amendments
and
that
those
amendments
will
be
before
you
at
the
hra
also
likely
the
first
cycle
in
march,
if
not
before
you
know
one
american
boulevard.
I
mentioned
briefly
in
the
update
with
the
district
you
can
see.
G
This
is
there
where
the
other
development
you
know
has
occurred,
and
it's
this
corner
lot
at
1801
american
boulevard
that
that
will
will
be
up
for
for
development
likely
about
98
to
100
units
of
housing.
G
I
have
no
updates
at
this
point
on
the
98th
street
station
other
than
that
we
are
looking
for
funding
for
a
traffic
study,
so
we
can
get
this
project
moving.
We
need
about
250
000
dollars
for
works
to
begin
the
traffic
study.
Originally,
the
hra
had
believed
the
traffic
study
was
necessary
only
to
meet
requirements
of
right-of-way
funds
that
public
works
was
obligated
to.
G
However,
hra
staff
has
now
learned
that
this
traffic
study
is
very
important
to
carry
on
the
goals
of
the
of
stantec's
lindale
avenue,
suburban
retro,
really
looking
at
a
multi-modal
traffic
study,
not
just
the
bloomington
freeway,
but
all
the
bike,
ability
and
walkability
of
of
98th
in
in
dale
together,
so
we're.
G
We
are
working
closely
with
the
met
council,
metro,
transit
and
hope
soon
to
be
including
hennepin
county
in
that
team
to
fully
explore
moving
this
development
forward,
truly
a
gateway
project
in
the
gateway
district
and
so
more
to
come
on
on
this
project,
wise
700,
american
boulevard.
We
continue
to
move
forward
on.
There
is
the
project
at
old,
shakopee
and
old
cedar
that
we're
still
working
on
the
total
unit
count.
G
I
believe,
in
addition
to
the
149
or
12
town
home
units
that
are
also
rental,
and
it
will
likely
be
20
at
50.
Ami
port
authority
projects
are
still
moving
forward
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
D
I'm
wondering
if
staff
michelle
quest
or
whoever
and
may
comment
are,
are
we
beginning
to?
I
get
the
feel
that
we
are
beginning
to
actually
activate
the
or
move
forward,
a
momentum
about
the
gateway
project
that
seemed
to
be
building
until
about
a
year
ago
and
covet
and
so
forth
are
are
we?
Are
we
finding
that
one
of
the
goals
about
once
we
or
see
some
projects,
that
more
will
be
showing
interest.
G
G
You
know
they
just
became
part
of
of
our
goals
in
the
past
couple
of
months,
and
you
know,
even
when
we
were
making
our
reports
to
the
city
council
and
the
hra
commission
this
summer
and
and
fall
those
projects
had
not
yet
come
forward.
G
So
I
think
they're,
two
prime
examples
of
how
this
momentum
is
is
growing,
and
you
know
we
still
have
several
developers
interested
in
both
the
98th
street
station
and
the
700
american
boulevard
city
owned
properties,
and
so
I
believe
that
you
know
those
two
developments
will
take
longer
before
before
they're
they're
ready
to
break
ground.
Those
are
not
one-year
cycle
developments
they
they
will
take
two
or
three
years,
but
with
administrator
coleman's
leadership
and
and
a
new
community
development
director
on
board.
G
I'm
confident
that
that
those
projects
will
begin
to
increase
their
momentum
as
well.
A
Any
other
questions
or
comments,
if
not
thank
you
very
much
great
presentation,
nice
to
see
all
the
progress
we'll
now
move
along
to
item
6.2,
hpa,
commission,
bylaws,.
H
Thank
you
good
evening
person,
members
of
the
commission,
erica
coleman,
hra
administrator,
so
provided
in
your
packet,
was
the
bylaws
that
we
are
currently
operating
under
and
tonight
or
this
evening
we
have
our
general
counsel
for
the
hra
carla
peterson,
who
is
available
to
go
over
roles
and
responsibilities
of
the
board
process
and
statutes,
because
there
are
some
things
that
could
be
proposed
or
concerns
that
you
guys
have
raised
previously
that
you'll
raise
against
this
evening
to
provide
clarification.
H
So
I
want
to
put
it
back
to
the
commissioners
at
this
point.
Do
you
want
to
start
in
with
some
of
the
things
that
you
have
identified,
that
you
wanted
to
address
for
the
bylaws,
or
do
you
want
miss
peterson
to
go
over
just
roles
and
responsibilities
of
the
hr
board
of
commission
at
a
high
level?
At
this
point,.
A
This
chair,
thorson
I'll,
share
my
opinion
here.
I
think
the
high
level
presentation
would
be
very
useful
and
put
it
may
put
other
things
in
some
context,
so
that
would
be.
My
recommendation
would
be
looking
for
obviously,
input
from
everyone
on
this.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
as
I
was
reading
through
it
and
taking
some
notes
here
and
there,
it
strikes
me
that
there
are
some
things
that
are
obviously
in
need,
in
my
opinion,
of
some
review
and
probable
change,
and
so
that
wouldn't
be
a
high
level
thing.
D
I
can
mention
a
couple
of
them
and
then
hear
from
other
commissioners
before
we
decide
how
to
move
forward,
but
the
in
the
opening
paragraph
it
looks
to
me,
like
the
amendment
in
1977,
does
not
so
pretty
council
adopting
that
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
procedurally
is
something
that
needs
to
happen
and
then.
Secondly,
another
generalized
kind
of
thing
is
that
there
are
several
places
that
I've
noted
that
it
seems
like
this
language
goes
back.
D
I
don't
know,
is
it
a
couple
decades,
there's
no
date
on
here
about
when
it
was
last
dealt
with,
but,
for
example,
under
article
2
on
meetings
it
talks
about
a
notice
shall
be
published
in
the
official
newspaper
delivered
to
each
hr.
A
member
commissioner.
D
And
it
seems
to
me
that
we're
in
a
digital
electronic
age
now-
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
some
procedural
kinds
of
things
that
should
be
updated
to
reflect
that
so
those
two
things
are
on
my
mind
about
how
we
proceed
in
and
I
I'll
I'll,
listen
to
what
the
rest
have
to
say.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Olson
commissioner
lewis,.
C
Yes,
I
you
know,
I
think
that
john
brings
up
a
good
point,
but
I
would
like
maybe
that
high
level
discussion
first
with
the
attorney,
because
I
want
to
know
from
her
what
exactly
we
can
change
and
what
we
can't
change.
What
john
is
saying
is,
you
know,
sounds
very
accurate,
but
I
would
like
to
know
for
sure
you
know
what
needs
to
stay
there.
C
What
can
be
adjusted
because
I
know
the
bylaws
still
have
depend
on
or
have
to
be
compliant
with
a
lot
of
state
laws
and
other
rules.
So
I
would
want
that
high
level
discussion,
as
well
as
an
opportunity,
then,
to
look
into
some
of
the
issues
that
john
has
brought.
A
A
F
F
I
also
think
that
we
should
turn
the
floor
over
to
carla
peterson
and
allow
her
to
give
us
an
overview
as
to
you
know
what
our
powers
and
authorities
are
and
some
conversation
about
items
that
are
needed
to
be
updated.
A
Okay,
all
right,
I
I
think
I'm
hearing
some
consensus
to
you
know
have
the
high
level
kind
of
overview
discussion
some
of
the
history,
some
of
the
legal
aspects
of
hra
boards,
and
certainly
there
will
be
ample
time
and
a
lot
to
discuss.
I
have
a
couple
items
as
well
as
we
move
forward
and
discussion
the
bylaws,
but
let's,
let's
begin
with
the
overall
presentation,
I
think
this
would
actually
be
very,
very
useful.
I
Chair
thorson
commissioners,
it's
carla
peterson,
your
legal
counsel.
I
I
Now
to
the
comment
made
earlier
about
some
of
the
provisions
that
are
in
your
bylaws,
there
are
statutory
provisions
that
govern
that
type
of
thing.
Like
notice
of
meetings,
annual
meetings,
you
have
to
have
an
annual
meeting
at
a
fixed
place.
I
I
I've
reviewed
and
analyzed
the
bylaws
several
times
initially
at
doug,
grout's
request
and
then
sherry
and
myra
and
brian,
and
I
also
reviewed
them
last
year,
and
so
I
have
suggested
a
multiple
multiple
changes
to
your
bylaws
and
the
staff
has
that,
so
you
really
have
a
lot
of
leeway
in
in
some
ways.
I
would
suggest
that
you
not
go
into
a
great
deal
of
detail
in
your
bylaws,
because
then,
if
you
want
to
change
things,
you
have
to
amend
your
bylaws.
I
You
can
just
have
written
policies
on
a
variety
of
things
which
would
be
easier
for
you
to
change
going
forward.
You
just
change
a
policy
and
then
there
are
some
things
in
your
bylaws
that
I
don't
believe
perhaps
you're
complying
with
or
that
are
outdated
based
on
some
of
the
statutory
provisions.
A
Thank
you.
I.
A
Already,
I
kind
of
I
like
kind
of
the
idea
of
of
trying
to
segregate
out
what
would
be
changes
to
bylaws
and
what
would
be
policies
to
allow
future
boards
to
amend
things
more
easily
and
to
adjust
to
changing
times.
So
I
like
that,
you
know.
A
On
the
surface
I
like
that,
I
also
actually
find
it
very
surprising
that
we
have
one
of
the
more
detailed
set
of
bylaws
that
that
you've
seen
because
I
I,
when
I
first
saw
them
when
doug
and
I
and
and
others
were
you
know,
revisiting
them
just
on
a
very
you
know
is,
is
this
something
we
should
be
looking
at
in
the
future
and
and
I
I
always
thought
that
they
were
much
more
general
than
than
I
I
would
have
guessed
other
communities
have.
So
I
find
that
I
find
that
interesting.
A
So
with
that
any
any
other
questions
or
comments
for.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
There
are
a
few
things
that
we
have
talked
about
that
I
think,
are
at
what
I
consider
to
be
the
high
level.
D
We
have
had
some
discussions
in
meetings
over
the
last
couple
of
months.
I
think
about
where
we
stand
in
relationship
to
the
the
city
and
one
of
the
the
things
that
comes
to
mind
is
no
language
that
I
saw
in
this
document,
which
I
believe
is
our
legally
binding.
One
indicates
that
we
are
directly
beholden
to
the
city
council,
and
so
I
I
have
a
couple
of
others,
but
I
would
appreciate
ms
peterson
making
comment
about
that.
I
Chair
thorson,
commissioner
olsen.
Yes,
you,
the
minnesota
statutes
is
what
would
create
your
what
you
would
call
being
beholden
to
the
city?
The
the
commissioners
are
to
be
appointed
by
the
mayor
with
the
approval
of
the
governing
body,
which
is
the
the
council
and
the
board.
So
you
are
beholden
to
the
city
to
some
degree,
because
your
the
commissioners
are
appointed
by
the
mayor.
I
D
Thank
you.
It
seems
to
me
that,
because
we
were
going
in
a
different
direction
and
the
language
in
these
bylaws
do
not
even
hint
at
that,
except
for,
I
think,
there's
maybe
one
or
two
phrases.
D
If,
if
somebody
is
on
the
staff
of
the
city
which
which
implies
the
opposite,
so
it's
I've
got
two
or
three
notations
in
my
notes
that
it
seems
to
me
we
should
have
either
something
appended
to
this
document
or
that
we
have
some
kind
of
of
a
handbook
or
something
that
ends
up
giving
the
kind
of
information
that
you
just
have.
D
Unfortunately,
I
think
there
was
some
some
tension
or
stress,
or
whatever,
between
some
people
on
this
on
the
city
side-
administration,
wise,
maybe
from
the
council,
I'm
not
sure
and-
and
us,
because
we
were
at
point,
for
example,
of
of
getting
an
an
administrator
to
replace
the
the
interim.
D
Some
of
those
discussions
were
in
in
retrospect,
with
what
we've
just
heard,
in
my
mind,
unnecessarily
somewhat
contentious.
So
is
there
a
way
that
that
this
kind
of
information
can
be
somehow
provided,
if
not
as
something
attached
to
the
bylaws
in
a
policy
book
or
or
organizational
description
book.
A
It
sounds
to
me
like
that's
what
you're
maybe
was
referring
to
as
sort
of
the
policy
versus
the
bylaws.
Perhaps.
I
Correct
you
could
put
what
you
could
put
these
statutory
provisions
into
your
bylaws.
If
you'd
like
in
more
detail-
and
you
certainly
could
add
more
details
to
your
bylaws
things-
you
know,
so
we
can
think
about
what
things
maybe
would
make
more
sense
to
be
in
a
policy
versus
in
the
bylaws.
I
And
some
other
things
that
I
know
have
been
discussed
were
adding
to
the
to
the
commissioners,
for
instance,
so
your
bible
say
that
you
will
have
at
least
five
commissioners,
but
no
more
than
seven,
but
your
enabling
legislation
limits
you
to
five,
so
you
would
have
to
go
get
legislation
to
do
that.
So
really
you
couldn't
appoint
seven
commissioners.
Today,
for
instance,
I'm
looking
on
article
three
section
a
on
commissioners.
A
Thank
you
one
moment
please,
carla
on
this.
I'm
glad
you
brought
up
the
the
concept
of
you
know
the
size
of
the
board
and
we've
also
had
some
discussions
about
whether,
as
a
policy
measure
that
the
board
you
know
should
be
made
up
of,
you
know,
have
specified
seats,
you
know,
might
represent
geographic
or
other
other
factors.
A
The
other
thing-
and
I
still
think
it
would
be
useful
to
step
through
some
process
some
some
overview
and
in
a
moment,
I'll
have
one
perhaps
suggestion
here,
but
also
within
the
context
of
what
we're
talking
about
here
to
the
degree
that
you
have
the
information,
I'm
always
curious
about
for
cities
of
a
similar
size
or
similar
makeup
kind
of
what
other
hra
boards.
You
know
how
they're
approaching
some
of
these.
I
just
think
it's
always
useful
information.
It
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
follow.
A
We
can
leave,
but
I
think
it's
always
useful
information
to
see
what
other
communities
are
doing
in
terms
of
the
very
items
we're
going
to
be
discussing
regarding
our
bylaws
and
then
I'll
move
on
to
one
suggestion:
carla.
If,
if
there's
any,
if
there's
any
kind
of
broad
overview
that
you've
prepared
as
to
you
know
hre
boards
and
and
general
statutes
and
general
roles,
I
think
that
would
be
useful.
A
The
other
thing
that
might
be
useful
I'd
be
very
interested
in
other
commissioners,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
very
focused
on
the
items
we've
brought
forth
in
the
past
as
well,
but
perhaps
it
would
be
useful,
since
you
and
staff
have
gone
through
a
process
of
suggesting
some
amendments.
Obviously
those
haven't
come
before
us
yet
for
discussion,
but
if
you've
gone
through
a
process,
that
might
be
a
useful
way
to
step
through
the
process
as
well,
but
I'm
very
interested
in
everyone's
all
board
member
input
on
on
better
pro.
D
Mr
chair,
commissioner,
I'm
I'm
trying
not
to
jump
in
here
too
quickly
and
like
to
hear
what
other
people
have
to
say,
but
I
I
am
puzzled
frankly
that,
as
long
as
I've
been
involved
with
the
city
planning,
commission,
council
and
hra
that
that
these
kinds
of
things
that
I,
for
example,
are
bringing
up,
I
mean
when
I
saw
in
the
bylaws
that
it
could
be
up
to
seven
it.
It
was
kind
of
like
why
you
know.
D
We've
talked
about
trying
to
diversify,
or
at
least
discuss,
diversifying
the
the
membership
on
the
board
to
serve
the
people
that
are.
Are
that
we're
trying
to
to
help
out.
But,
but
it
just
seems
to
me
that
at
this
point
it
can
be
tabled,
but
that
we
need
to
have
some
awareness
that
we
are
going
to
have
some
kind
of
a
document
that
that
says
what
ms
peterson
has
just
said.
In
other
words,
statute
overrules.
A
Commissioner
olson,
I
would
say
I
know
that,
and
it
could
have
been
way
in
the
past.
There
was
you
know,
general
discussion
on
the
bulk
of
that
very
issue
of
the
fact
that
we
have
four
board
members
into
and
to
increase.
That
would
would
be
require
change
in
statute,
but
I
think
there
was
a
bit
of
a
start
in
talking
about
this
to
a
board
and
back
in
when
doug
was
administrator
and
then,
when
he
left
and
of
course
you
know
covet
and
everything
follows
I.
A
I
think
this
is
where
we
are
now,
and
I
think
that
in
terms
of
issues
like
like
the
number
of
members,
I
think
that
that
is
why
I
think
it
would
be
useful
to
have
either
you
know
high
level
presentation
from
carla
or
step
through
each
section
for
discussion
purposes.
A
We
don't
have
to
make
a
decision
on
each
section
and
clearly,
if
we
are
going
to
move
forward
with
a
change
of
bylaws
which
I'm
guessing
we
we
need
to
make
many
changes
that
this
will
come
back
to
us
after
carla
has
gone
through
and
our
perhaps
our
city
attorney
has
drafted
things.
But
I
would
suggest
that
we,
perhaps
the
best
approach
would
be
to
step
through
each
section
of
the
bylaws,
and
I
have
carla
indicate.
H
Yes,
this
is
erica
coleman,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
miss
peterson
does
not
have
a
presentation
to
provide
just
the
standard
standardized
by
statute,
the
roles
that
hra
board
can
take
or
the
role
that
hra
board
does
play,
and
so
I
just
want
to
note
that
before
we
go
through
each
section
to
make
sure
that
is
notated
on
what
changes
that
have
been
discussed
or
talked
about
at
a
very,
very
high
level
need
to
be
made.
So
one
the
location
so
making
sure
the
location
is
correct.
H
The
location
is
actually
civic
plaza.
Two,
the
purpose.
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
purpose
includes
home
ownership.
If
you'll
read
your
bylaws
right
now,
there's
there's
no
mention
of
home
ownership,
which
is
something
that
is
very
much
in
tune
with
what
I
have
heard
in
my
short
time
here:
three
that
there
is
the
minnesota
statute.
H
Four
six
nine
is
the
standardized
statute
and
then
going
into
the
setup
of
the
meetings
and
what
a
quorum
is
as
well
as
regular
and
or
special
meetings
and
then
the
notification
period.
H
I
will
also
add
that,
in
the
statute
that
created
the
bloomington,
hra
did
identify
five
commissioners
and
that
statute,
four
six
nine
which
is
listed,
does
identify
no
more
than
seven,
and
so
we
are
referencing
in
particular.
The
statute
that
created
the
bloomington
hra
said
five
members.
I
will
offer
that
you
can
look
at
the
makeup
of
your
board
when
I
say
that
I
mean
that
we
do
have
a
seat
or
seats
for
council
members.
H
You
could
consider
council
members
becoming
liaisons
to
the
hra
board
and
offering
a
seat
to
a
different
resident,
whereas
the
liaison
would
not
necessarily
be
a
voting
member,
but
that
is
just
a
consideration
that
would
technically
be
a
liaison
and
not
a
commissioner,
so
ex-official
member
also
the
layout
of
the
meeting
so
identifying
the
different
topics
that
you
will
discuss
in
each
meeting.
H
The
succession
of
officers,
whereas
you
have
a
chair,
a
vice
chair
and
a
secretary
looking
at
the
vice
chair,
automatically
becoming
chair
in
the
next,
the
next
session,
where
that
continues
to
rotate
when
you're,
electing
your
officials
and
then
the
terms
of
being
able
to
approve
or
look
at
borrowing,
money
or
resources,
as
well
as
the
appointment
of
the
administrator.
H
I
want
to
highlight
that,
because
there
is
a
city
services
contract
that
the
hra
has
yet
the
bylaws
only
reference
the
administrator,
and
so
you
do
have
some
opportunities
to
look
at
different
things
there.
H
But
she
is
available
to
answer
questions,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
am
capturing
and
addressing
everything
that
the
commissioners
are
bringing
up
and
that
we
are
able
to
parse
out
what
should
be
in
the
bylaws
and
what
you
feel
should
be
a
policy
and
that
we
will
have
the
ability
to
look
at
the
bylaws
as
recommended
any
changes
and
vote
on
it.
As
commissioners.
At
the
annual
meeting
in
march.
A
Thank
you
among
those
things
that
were
brought
up.
Are
there
any
other
specific
items
again?
I
I
I
will
be
walking
through
this
document,
but
are
there
any
other
items
that
anybody
feel
strongly
about
that
we
throw
out
there
right
now,
commissioner
beloga,
I
saw
your
hand.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
think
erica
got
the
majority
of
what
I
had
on
my
list
other
than
web
meetings.
F
F
The
administrator
coleman
said,
and
that
is
home
ownership
and
city
council
reviewed
last
night.
The
planning
commission's
work
plan
for
2021
and
again
the
issue
of
homeownership
and
that
the
hra's
assignment
is
that
and
there's
an
expectation
from
counsel
to
the
hra
that
a
plan
shall
be
coming
forth
out
of
the
strategic
plan
addressing
how
to
increase
home
ownership
within
our
city.
So
just
to
give
some
context
to
the
comment
of
the
administrator.
I
I
It's
the
purpose,
as
it's
set
forth
in
the
bylaws,
comes
almost
exactly
out
of
the
minnesota
statute,
and
so
I
would
suggest
not
modifying
that.
I
did
suggest
specifically
referencing
469
there,
that
does
not.
It
limits
your
ability
to
provide
rental
or
home
ownership
dwellings,
but
you
do
have
to
comply
with
the
housing
authority
act
which
does
limit
to
some
degree
the
type
of
housing
that
you
can
provide.
A
A
All
right,
let's,
if
there
are
no
more
questions
or
comments,
let's
begin
that
process,
I'm
sure
we'll
have
a
a
very
robust
discussion.
A
lot
of
questions
will
come
up
along
the
way,
but
let's
just
move
through
the
document
and
see
where
we
get
here.
H
Okay
and
so
to
be
clear,
because
I
did
hear
from
a
previous
administrator
and
staff
be
about
because
suggested
changes-
I
am
looking
at
suggested,
changes
right
now.
So
that's
what
I'm
reading
off
of
and
so
I'll
be
very
detailed.
So
the
very
first
thing
bylaws
of
the
housing
and
redevelopment
authority
in
and
for
the
city
of
bloomington
minnesota,
there's
just
a
suggestion
to
capitalize
that
in
and
and
for
the
city
of
bloomington
minnesota
to
match
housing
and
redevelopment
authority
and
as
we
go
into
the
preamble.
H
H
I
I
have
not
seen
that
specific
resolution
not
dated
that
day.
So
I
forwarded
you
erica
the
the
enabling
legislation,
but
I
have
not
seen
that
city
council
resolution,
which
is
why
I
put
that
note
there,
because,
as
your
legal
counsel,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
can
verify
that
all
of
these
references
are
correct.
So
that's
something
we
still
need
to
look
into
further.
I
One
other
comment
on
the
on
the
name
of
the
hra.
I
certainly
agree
with
capitalizing
it
this.
This
has
been
something
that
there's
been
confusion
over
the
years
and
I
think
it's
because
the
the
title
of
the
bylaws
says
it's
of
the
housing
and
redevelopment
authority
in
and
for
the
city
of
bloomington
minnesota.
I
But
then,
when
you
actually
read
the
bylaws
itself,
article
1
section
a
does
not
include
minnesota
at
the
end
of
your
name,
so
that
that's
something
that
we've
had
to
correct
multiple
times,
because
oftentimes
documents
have
have
had
the
minnesota
at
the
end
of
the
name
which,
according
to
your
current
adopted
bylaws,
is
not
your
legal
name.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
as
well.
H
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
have
one
question:
is
that
carla
is
there
well
carla
and
commissioners?
Is
there
opposition
to
striking
the
line
that
references
on
the
14th
day
of
june
1971?
The
city
council
adopted
a
resolution
because
this
this
commission
was
created
by
statute,
and
that
is
referenced
before
that
line.
I
H
Thank
you,
article,
one
authority.
There
are
no
no
proposed
changes
for
article
one
section,
a
section
b
office
just
because
since
civic
plaza
has
been
built,
it
was
actually
titled
civic,
plaza
so
suggestion
of
changing
city
hall
to
civic
plaza
to
accurately
reference
the
proper
name,
section
c
seal.
The
hra
does
not
have
an
official
seal.
H
Section
d
purpose,
and
so
currently
reads
the
hra's
purposes
pursuant
to
minnesota
law,
are
to
provide
a
sufficient
supply
of
adequate,
safe
and
sanitary
dwellings
in
order
to
protect
the
health,
safety,
morals
and
welfare
of
the
citizens
of
bloomington
to
clear
and
redevelop
blighted
areas
to
perform
those
duties
according
to
comprehensive
plans
to
remedy
the
shortage
of
housing
for
low
and
moderate
income
residents
and
to
redevelop
blighted
areas
in
situations
in
which
private
enterprise
would
not
act
without
government
participation
or
subsidies.
H
The
proposed
change
by
legal
counsel
is
to
strike
the
word
law
from
the
first
line
after
minnesota
and
to
add
statutes.
Chapter
469.
H
I
do
have
something
else
just
as
reading
this
and
carla
will
need
to
advise
the
wording
or
phrase
citizens
is
actually
it
actually
just
limits
who
we're
here
to
serve
and
help,
and
I
understand
carlos
said
earlier
that
this
came
out
a
statue.
I
Because
the
statute
has
that
exact
language,
I
would
be
hesitant
to
do
that.
Of
course,
your
jurisdiction
is
within
the
city
of
bloomington
your
area
of
operation,
but
this
is
the
purpose,
basically
of
all
housing
authorities.
Are
these
specific
five
statutory
purposes
actually
there's
four
that
apply
to
you,
there's
a
fifth
one.
That
applies
to
cities
of
the
first
class,
and
we
also
looked
at
that.
If
you
have
a
city
of
the
first
class,
you
can
provide
housing
for
persons
of
all
incomes.
H
Okay,
thank
you.
I
want
to
add
that
carlo
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
low
and
moderate
income,
that
is
a
cap
of
80
percent
area,
meeting
income
right.
I
You
know
eric,
I
have
not
researched
that
it
depends
on
the
program
that
that
you're
applying
for
generally
yes,
80
percent,
is
the
limit
to
be
moderate
income.
H
Thank
you.
I
commissioners,
I'm
making
note
of
that,
because
I
would
like
to
have
a
little
bit
more
information
on.
If
that
is
the
purpose
of
our
hra
and
that
is
formed
by
statute.
Are
we
okay
with
with
going
staying
in
that
mostly
but
going
above
that
for
some
program?
So
that
is
why
I
ask
that
questions.
I
just
want
to
be
transparent
about
my
thinking
on
that.
H
Are
there
any
questions
from
commissioners
thoughts
or
any
input
from
staff.
D
Giving
us
another
another
process
question:
I'm
not
sure
how
often
the
statutes
are
reviewed,
and
sometimes
that
happens
when
there
is
litigation
that
is
brought
forward,
but
also
opportunity
to
lobby.
For
that.
It
seems
to
me
that.
D
The
the
terminology
citizens
compared
to
residents
is
one
that
we
have
kind
of
gotten
away
too
and
more
toward
talking
about
residents
in
terms
of
our
strategic
plan
and
so
forth.
Council
member
baloga
can
maybe
comment.
I
was
involved
in
those
forming,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if,
if,
if
in
fact
I'm
correct
that
either
it
would
happen
through
litigation.
But
how
does
it
come
to
the
attention
of
legislators
that
there's
a
desire,
for
example,
this
hra,
to
review
that?
If,
in
fact,
we
do.
I
D
Right
you-
and
you
indicated
that
you
referred
to
the
statute
and
the
statute
would
rule,
of
course
understood.
So,
if,
if
we
were
to
or
other
communities
as
well
were
interested
in
changing
that,
what
is
the
process.
I
Well,
I
mean
it
as
with
any
legislation.
You
would
need
to
find
a
sponsor
to
sponsor
that
bill,
but
I
would
think
that
what
you
would
want
to
do
if
there
was
some
sort
of
push
to
change.
That
is
probably
have
a
discussion,
a
broader
discussion
with
other
housing
authorities,
because,
of
course
this
will
apply
to
all
housing
authorities.
The
one
thing
I
would
ask,
though,
is
what
are
you
thinking
is
the
substantive
difference
between
using
the
word
citizens
versus
residents.
H
Carla,
I
I
will
answer
my
thought
process
since
I
brought
it
up
and
it
is
that
minnesota
has
a
higher
number
of
undocumented
residents
and
bloomington
in
particular,
has
a
higher
number
of
latinx
residents,
not
saying
that
they're
not
undocumented,
I'm
not
saying
that,
but
they
could
be,
and
so
there
is
a
reference
here
to
make
sure
that
we
are
being
inclusive
as
well
as
representative
of
what
we
feel
our
true
purpose
is
and
how
we
have
already
spoken
about
the
programs
and
services
that
we
do
offer.
I
Okay,
I
understand,
where
you're
going
with
that
erica,
that
that
you're
thinking
of
citizenship
in
being
a
citizen
of
the
united
states
or
yes,
I
understand
that,
although
I
would
assert
that
the
use
of
the
word
citizens
would
not
stop
us
from
serving
that
population.
H
Thank
you;
no,
it
would
not,
but
it
it
has
been
brought
up
by
undocumented
advocates
and
advocates
for
the
undocumented
residents,
at
least
in
minnesota
as
a
whole,
and
so
the
term
I've
learned
this.
This
is
not
something
that
I
came
up
with.
I
had
to
learn
it.
The
term
citizens
actually
makes
quite
a
few
people
feel
unwelcomed
or
unserved,
and
so
that's
that's
why
I
was
bringing
that
up,
but
I
do
understand
what
it's
referencing,
but
this
was
something
I
learned,
and
so
I
just
needed
to
speak
upon
it.
I
Yeah,
that's
very
interesting.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
that
you
know
what
you
were
saying
that
there's
been
some
some
outcry
and
some
push
from
groups.
You
know
that
might
be
helpful
if
you
were
to
make
the
legislative
endeavor
that
you
would
have
supportive
of
a
variety
of
groups
beyond
housing
authorities
for
the
legislation.
I
I
don't
know
how
controversial
this
type
of
legislation
would
be.
I
frankly
if
we
were
to
incl
increase
the
number
of
board
commissioners
from
five
to
seven.
I
would
suspect
that
would
not
be
controversial
this
because,
of
course,
of
the
heightened
political
climates
and
discussions
around
this
particular
issue
could
be
more
controversial.
Unfortunately,.
A
You
know
just
a
thought,
as
we
go
through
this
process,
not
specifically
about
this
item,
but
it
certainly
comes
to
mind.
Is
this
could
be
one
of
the
areas
where
the
bylaws,
for
legal
reasons
have
having
to
do
with
statute?
Have
words
have
to
be
fairly
specific
and
fairly
in
line
with
a
statute,
and
yet
we
can
address
those
issues
in
our
strategic
plan
and
the
attached
policies,
which
we've
talked
about
the
idea
of
having
attached
policies
here.
So
just
as
just
a
thought
as
we
go
on
through
the
discussion
here.
H
Thank
you
so
article
two
meetings:
myra.
Could
you
scroll
just
a
little
bit
so
I
could
see
the
next
page.
Okay,
thank
you.
Could
you
scroll
back
up
so
the
suggestion
for
article
two,
the
header
meetings,
is
to
just
make
sure
that
it
encompasses
the
sections
that
are
involved
are
under
this
article,
so
adding
quorum
and
voting
which
are
sections
of
this
of
this
article.
H
So
that's
just
changing
adding
to
the
title
section:
a
annual
meetings
just
reiterating
there
should
be
an
annual
meeting
of
the
commissioners
held
in
sorry.
I
was
moving
held
in
bloomington
municipal
building
so
proposing
changing
that
to
civic
plaza,
just
to
be
in
alignment
with
the
change
before
on
the
first
regular
meeting
date
in
march
at
5
30
pm.
H
So
I
would
like
to
ask
the
commissioners
about
changing
the
annual
meeting
date
to
be
a
regular
meeting
date
in
january,
thereby
not
waiting
until
we're
into
the
end
of
the
first
quarter
to
have
our
annual
meeting,
which
is
where
we
do
take
care
of
board
business.
But
I
put
that
back
to
the
commissioners
to
think
about
that.
A
I
know
I've
been
on
this
board
quite
some
time,
but
is
there
any
history
to
why
it
was
march?
Does
anybody
have
any
recollection
of
that
and
is
it
tied
to
any
budgeting
or
other
processes
that
would
typically
take
place.
H
Chair
thorson,
I
don't
have
history,
but
I
would
ask
if
any
staff
or
carla
has
history
to
please
speak
up.
If
you
do.
J
This
is
brian.
I
have
no
no
history
that
I
know
of
why
it's
been
march,
but
it
has
been
for
ever
since
we
were
created
so.
D
A
A
It
seems
to
make
sense
to
make
it
more
of
an
annual
item.
I
believe
our
city
council
has
its
business
meeting
and
a
point
so
in
that
in
that
typically
the
first
month
of
the
year,
but
again
looking
for
both
questions
and
comments
from
hr
board
members
here
and
then,
commissioner
olson,
I
believe
you
spoke
up.
D
Thank
you
actually,
given
the
discussion
before
about
we
having
a
much
more
detailed
bylaw
than
is
typical.
Apparently
it
seems
to
me
that
this
would
be
a
good
place
for
more
generalized
information
or
wording.
D
H
Yeah,
a
real,
quick
chair
thorson.
I
just
want
to
clarify
so,
commissioner
olson,
you
are
proposing
that
the
section
a
annual
meetings
just
states
that
there
is
an
annual
meeting
but
does
not
specify
when
that
meeting
occurs.
D
That
would
be
the
net
effect.
However,
it's
if
some
wording
is
more
generalized
but
taking
out
the
specific
day
and
time.
H
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Excuse
me
chair
thorson.
I
just
want
to
add
just
for
context.
The
annual
meeting
would
be
the
meeting
in
which
you
would
do
any
changes
to
the
bylaws
review.
Bylaws,
you
would
vote
and
elect
officers
for
the
board.
The
annual
meeting
should
be
the
meeting
in
which
the
work
plan
is
brought
forward
for
the
year,
so
it
could
be
a
very
heavy
meeting.
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
have
it
earlier
in
the
year,
but
I
defer
to
the
commissioners.
A
Thank
you.
I
I
mean,
I
think
it
makes
sense.
I
think
that
I
assumed
that,
if
move
annual
meeting
to
any
other
time
other
than
what
it
is,
it
would
certainly
involve
the
election
of
officers.
A
I
would
hope
that
if
there's
a
work
plan
and
other
things
being
brought
forward,
that
those
would
be
items
that
we
would
have
been,
we
would
have
seen,
we've
been
would
have
been
working
towards
and
that
that
would
be
a
formalization
more
than
anything
because,
as
you
said,
if
we
have
a
meeting
where
we're
choosing
our
financial,
you
know
depositories
and
electing
officers,
and
so
on,
like
that
to
get
into
a
lot
of
strategic
at
that
first
meeting
may
not
be
appropriate
and
might
be
more
appropriate
after
the
new
board.
A
Chair-
and
you
know
so
on
is
is,
is
acting,
so
that's
just
just
a
thought,
but
again
you
know.
I
I
think
what
triggered
is
sort
of
the
work
plan
get
approved
again.
I,
that
is
that
makes
sense.
If
the
board
has
been
talking
about
that
work
plan,
and
we,
you
know
we're
now
finalizing
it
and
approving
it.
That's
just
my
initial
thought
is.
H
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
thorson,
just
to
answer
your
question.
I
did
see
commissioner
baloga.
Yes,
that
would
be
finalizing
the
work
plan
with
the
hra
board.
It
would
be
just
reviewing
it
and
and
taking
into
consideration
knowing
what
we're
moving
forward
with.
Thank
you.
I
Thorson
board,
I
can
add
just
a
little
to
that.
The
the
statute
just
requires
that
a
schedule
of
the
regular
meetings
are
to
be
kept
at
your
primary
office.
A
So
there
again-
and
we
can-
we
can
talk
through
this
more
but
let's
just
hit
the
you
know,
hit
the
changes
we
want
to
make
would
would
we
be
thinking
this
would
be
a
bylaw
change
or
a
policy
change.
In
other
words,
the
biology
bylaws
would
indicate
that
there
will
be
an
annual
meeting
and
the
policies
would
state
that
annual
meeting
will
be
held,
for
example,
in
january,
and
here
is
what
would
typically
take
place
at
the
annual
meeting
and
that's
a
that's
a
question.
I'm
throwing
out
there.
B
Yeah,
yes,
thank
you
church
my
hand
was
raised.
I
would
like
to
suggest
I
like
the
idea
of
the
annual
meeting
being
at
the
beginning
of
the
year.
I
would
like
to
suggest,
maybe
at
the
end
of
january,
just
because,
if
you
do
have
new
commissioners
coming
on
kind
of
giving
them
a
little
bit
of
a
you
know,
time
to
make
sure
they're
at
that
meeting
in
case,
depending
on
time
of
when
council
votes
them
in
to
when
this
happens.
B
A
Commissioner,
hugh,
I
think
you
bring
up
a
very
good
point,
given
that
the
city
council
often
appoints
new
commissioners
for
various
boards
in
the
month
of
january.
I
would
actually
ask
commissioner
beloga
if,
in
fact,
that
is
adequate,
because
I
I
do
commissioner
hooking,
like
the
idea
of
including
new
commissioners,
making
sure
as
many
as
possible
are
included.
We
can't
control
when
the
city
council
appoints
people
but
making
sure
that
new
commissioners
are
part
of
that
annual
meeting
so
at
minimum.
A
F
F
Looked
at
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
the
call
for
applications
just
closed
on
sunday.
So
by
the
time
we
get
it,
it'll
probably
be
mid-february
or
thereabouts.
F
If,
if
the
process
becomes
elongated,
it
could
easily
go
into
march
before
people
are
selected.
If
they're,
you
know
needs
to
be
interviews
which
we
have
done
from
time
to
time
when
we
have
numbers
of
candidates
who
are
highly
qualified
and
we
want
to
have
some
face-to-face
contact.
F
Although
we've
not
come
to
any
conclusions,
so
I
I
agree
with
commissioner
huhim
that
new
members
sooner
rather
than
later-
and
I
would
suggest
that
march-
may
be
the
fallback
date,
because
if
we
have
a
date
certain
in
the
bylaws,
then
you
have
to
do
it.
Irrespective
the
other
thing
that
I
would
suggest
is
the
business
seems
to
need
to
be
bifurcated,
because
some
of
the
things
such
as
the
designated
designation
of
an
official
newspaper,
really
isn't
necessary
for
an
annual
meeting
or
a
bank
depository.
F
Those
kinds
of
things
they
can
be
done
at
at
an
early
january
business
meeting
and
have
the
other
kinds
of
businesses
such
as
election
of
officers
and
the
appointment
of
assignments
done
at
an
annual
meeting.
A
Thank
you,
hello.
Any
other
comments
from
commissioners
in
particular
on
this.
Yes,
commissioner
lewis,
my
apologies.
C
That's
okay,
there's
been
so
many
things
thrown
out
now
that
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
I'm
responding
to
my
first
response
would
be.
C
I
agreed
with
commissioner
who
came
that
if
we
go
to
a
january
meeting
annual
meeting,
it
should
be
at
the
end
of
january
then
to
your
comment,
which
was
down
the
road
there's
been
so
many
people
talking
it's
hard
to
get
a
word
in
this
might
be
something
that
we
split
up
between
bylaws
and
policies,
because
here
again,
if
something
happens,
that
we
determine
that
january
isn't
a
good
date,
maybe
because
of
the
lateness
of
getting
appointments
from
city
council,
we
may
need
to
switch
back
to
a
march
date,
as,
as
commissioner
beloga
mentioned,
to
keep
that
as
a
backup
update.
C
It
seems
like
if
we
made
that
a
policy
and
kept
the
bylaws
stating
annual
meeting
but
not
exact.
You
know
not
the
day
that
it's
done.
I
think
that
would
maybe
cover
both
things
where
it
would
allow
us
to
change
that
date
to
you
know,
change
that
annual
meeting
to
january,
but
still
have
the
option
of
changing
it.
C
If
we
needed
to
and
not
have
to
go
immediately
and
do
a
whole
adjustment
to
the
bylaws,
that
would
be
my
comment
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
responding
to
one
of
the
questions
that
you
had.
Mr
chair.
A
You
know
as
you're
talking,
I'm
also
wondering
if
there
could
be
again
more
of
a
policy
than
a
bylaw
issue,
but
that
we
have
a
policy
that
the
election
of
a
board
will
somehow
you
know
only
take
place
when
we
have
like
the
complete
board,
in
other
words
again
to
make
sure
we're
inclusive
of
new
members.
A
However,
we
phrase
that
we
want
to
be
careful,
but
you
know
just
the
idea
that,
let's
say
two
people,
you
know:
leave
the
the
board
and
and
leaves
us
with
three
that
that
that
board
shouldn't
be
up.
You
know
appointing
all
three
of
themselves
as
as
directors,
so,
if
there's
some
way
as
a
policy
to
flesh
this
out
and
sort
of
indicate
that
the
intent
is
to
have
a
full
board
that
acts
on
these
important
items,
that's
just
a
thought.
H
Chair
thorson,
may
I
propose
to
the
commissioners
based
on
the
conversation
that
section
a
annual
meetings
simply
states.
There
shall
be
an
annual
meeting
of
the
commissioners
held
in
bloomington
civic,
plaza
period,
carla,
correct
me,
if
that's
okay
and
then
secondly,
section
d
conduct
of
business
at
the
annual
meeting
is
completely
stricken
from
the
bylaws
and
becomes
a
part
of
a
policy.
A
Thank
you,
commissioners.
Is
there
anybody
who's
uncomfortable
with
and
we're
not
deciding
this
tonight,
but
it
will
come
back
to
us
and
we
hopefully
will
it'll
come
back
to
us
as
a
document
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
act
on.
So,
let's
talk
through
as
much
of
this
as
we
can
so
further
discussion
on
this
proposal,
a
commission
who
game
is
that
a
hand.
B
Thank
you
sheriff
thorson,
just
something
when
talking
about
with
going
back
to
commissioner
beloga
and
with
the
appointment
process,
I'm
wondering
if
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
possible-
I
don't
know
the
legalities
of
this,
but
in
our
policy
of
maybe
doing
a
something
stating
that
we
request
applications
due
by
a
certain
day.
B
It
I
mean,
I
don't
know
as
a
commission,
can
you
regulate
that
within
the
city
of
saying
you
know
we
want
applications
done
by
a
certain
day
and
then
that
might
help
since
our
we
all
know
that
the
commissions
end
in
december
of
the
year.
So
I'm
just
thinking.
If
we
have
set
dates,
then
that
gives
the
council
maybe
the
time
to
do
these,
get
these
ready
and
have
their
voting,
be.
You
know
either
at
the
annual
naming
or
even
maybe
at
the
end
of
december,
just
something
to
throw
out.
H
E
So
right
now
we
are
looking
at
it
and
and
jack
is
familiar
with
this.
The
idea
is
that
the
every
most
of
the
commissions,
their
term,
does
end
at
the
end
of
the
year,
so
the
process
has
is
trying
to
be
pushed
back
so
that
new
commissioners
can
be
appointed
before
the
end
of
the
year,
so
that,
starting
on
january
1st,
when
the
other
commissioner's
term
expired,
the
new
commissioner
can
can
take
over
maybe
january
1st,
but
at
the
first
meeting
that
is
held
for
that
commission.
E
So
they
are
pushing
back
the
process
right
now,
it's
it's
in
development,
which
is
why
the
applications
are
coming
in
right
now,
because
they're
trying
something
you
know
kind
of
a
new
process.
But
the
idea
the
the
plan
is
to
push
it
back
so
that
those
commissioners
are
ready
to
take
their
position.
Starting
january
1st.
A
Sheriff
thorson
here
I
I
find
that
interesting.
However,
and
again
this
isn't
necessarily
for
hra
to
decide.
A
But
if
I
were
a
newly
elected
council
member,
I
think
I
would
feel
very
strongly
that
that
if
commissioners
or
terms
were
expiring
in
important
commissions,
that
as
a
newly
elected
council
member,
I
would
I
might
like
to
have
some
input
as
to
the
people
who
are
higher
appointed
to
commissions,
and
I
realize
that
that
you
know
having
com
terms
expire
at
the
end
of
december.
A
You
know,
creates
issues
with
quorums
and
so
forth.
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
the
policy
of
all
the
commissions
are.
However,
I
could
see
terms
being
extended
until
such
time
as
there
is
a
new
appointee.
But
again,
if
I
were
a
newly
elected
council
person,
I
was
elected
based
on
whatever
platform,
but
change
or
whatever
it
might
be.
A
I
would
be
more
concerned
about
the
council
members
having
an
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
these
important
boards,
and
I
would
necessarily
on
a
on
a
commissioner
of
a
individual
commissioner
on
a
board
being
able
to
participate
in
an
annual
meeting.
If
that
makes
sense
at
all-
and
I
will
defer
to-
I
first
saw
commissioner
beloga's
hand
up
then
I'll
get
to
commissioner
olsen
and
anyone.
F
Else,
commissioner,
thorson,
you
brought
up
the
point
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
about
the
timing
and
and
yes,
the
language
in
virtually
all
of
the
organizational
documents
for
all
boards
and
commissions.
F
If
it's
not
now,
it's
being
changed
too,
that
people's
term
ends
december
31st
or
on
the
appointment
of
a
successor,
so
they
will
automatically
carry
forward
to
that
date.
F
It
is
a
good
idea
so
that
the
new
council
members
have
an
opportunity
to
participate
and
not
all
boards
and
commissions
end
on
december
31st.
There
are
some
that
are
staggered
into,
I
believe,
a
june
ending.
F
I
can't
remember
offhand
which
they
are,
but
there's
three
to
five
who
fall
in
that
category.
D
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Well,
as
I
stated
at
the
beginning,
my
answer
to
your
question
about
what
we
should
do
is
is
definitely
that
we
need
to
take
it
out
of
the
detail
out
of
the
bylaws.
The
discussion
has
been
very
good
to
have
one
of
the
key
things
I
think
is
that
we
are,
I
don't
mean
at
the
mercy
of,
but
we
depend
on
the
council
doing
certain
things
and
if
they
get,
if
we
get
into
a
standard,
that
standard
could
actually
be
changed.
D
So
I
oh
more
reason
for
us
to
take
it
out
of
an
actual
date
and
time
in
in
the
bylaws
and
have
a
more
generalized
statement
as
if
I
understand
it
correctly.
D
This
discussion,
something
was
just
said
that
goes
to
staff,
and
this
will
come
back
to
us
with
actual
wording
based
on
all
of
this.
A
Correct
commissioner
olsen,
I
would
expect
that
the
staff
and
and
legal
will
be
gauging
you
know
listening
to
what
we're
saying
in
the
direction
we
need
to
provide
direction
on
one
hand.
On
the
other
hand,
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
do
the
wordsmithing
here,
I
believe,
have
a
lot
of
confidence
in,
and
staff
that
they'll
be
able
to.
You
know,
take
our
input
and
come
back
with
with
revised
documents
so,
but
we
do
need
to
provide
them
direction.
H
Thank
you,
chair
thorson
and
commissioners.
H
H
But
as
we
get
into
the
next
section,
taking
into
consideration
the
conversation
that
was
just
had
so
section
b
notice
of
annual
meeting,
that
notice
shall
be
published
in
the
official
newspaper
of
the
hra
delivered
to
each
hra
commissioner,
and
each
member
of
the
governing
body
of
the
city,
not
less
than
10
days
in
advance
of
such
meeting.
It
shall
be
responsibility
of
the
administrator
to
provide
this
notice.
H
I
would
like
to
propose
if
okay,
no
public
notice
shall
be
made,
and
then
a
notice
of
annual
meeting
provided
to
each
hra
commissioner
and
each
member
of
the
governing
body
of
the
city,
not
less
than
10
days
in
advance.
Basically,
I'm
trying
to
incorporate
technological
advances
and
to
not
be
bound
by
a
newspaper
or
hand
delivery,
because
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
way
of
dictating
or
being
able
to
prove
that
things
were
delivered.
But
email
does
do
that.
H
Okay,
great
thank
you
section
c
quorum,
so
this
is
stating
there
should
be
quorum
to
conduct
business
at
all
meetings
if
a
quorum
is
if
quorum
is
not
present
for
an
annual
meeting,
the
chair
shall
establish
a
new
date
for
the
annual
new
annual
meeting
and
cause
notice
to
be
given,
as
provided
in
section
b
of
this
article.
H
H
So
I
have
just
a
couple
of
suggestions
that
would
be
more
defining
quorum
and
a
quorum
of
the
hra
is
defined
as
a
majority
of
the
commissioners
in
office
at
any
time,
and
so
it
will
be
changing
this
section
to
specifically
state.
There
should
be
a
quorum
to
conduct
business
at
all.
Meetings
of
the
hra
so
just
being
clear
that
it's
about
the
hra
and
then
the
next
sentence
to
be
added
is
a
quorum
of
the
hra
is
defined
as
a
majority
of
the
commissioners
in
office.
H
At
any
time,
everything
else
would
remain
the
same
outside
of
of
capitalization.
A
I
Chair
thorson
commissioners,
that's
correct.
Adding
the
line
about
the
quorum
actually
is
is
pretty
much
straight
out
of
the
statute
as
well,
and
I
think
that's
always
helpful,
because
the
definition
of
what's
a
quorum
can
change
based
on
the
entity
and
what
they
determine
they
need
to
have
for
a
quorum,
but
in
this
instance,
because
you're
statutorily
created
and
governed
entity,
I
thought
it
was
helpful
to
add
that
line.
H
Thank
you
so
again,
section
d:
we
have
proposed
that
that
becomes
a
part
of
policy
and
not
detailed
in
the
bylaws.
So
we
have
freedom
to
change.
Whatever
needs
to
be
changed,
so
section
e,
regular
meetings.
H
There
is
a
proposed
change
of
capitalization
and
clarification,
but
also
stating
that
so
I'll
read
it
first.
Sorry,
regular
meetings
shall
be
held
by
the
hra
at
a
fixed
place
and
at
a
time
as
determined
by
the
hra
at
its
annual
meeting,
the
time
may
be
changed
by
the
hra
at
any
subsequent
meeting
by
a
re
by
a
majority
vote
of
all
commissioners
and
after
notification
of
such
change
in
the
hra's
official
newspaper.
H
Agendas
for
regular
meetings
should
include
at
least
the
following
order
of
business,
and
it
dictates
one
through
five
call
to
order
approval
of
agenda
approval
of
minutes
unfinished
or
organizational
business,
new
business
and
adjournment,
and
so
I
want
to
first
go
back
up
into
this
reg
section
e
and
to
change
the
first
sentence
to
state.
H
Regular
meetings
shall
be
held
by
the
hra
at
a
fixed
place
and
at
a
time
as
determined
by
the
hra
at
its
annual
meeting
and
in
parentheses,
regular
meetings
just
to
provide
that
a
little
bit
more
of
that
flexibility.
Because
we
could
we
go
through
the
calendar
and,
as
we
just
had
the
discussion,
we
go
through
the
calendar
at
the
annual
meeting.
H
But
there
is
a
need
to
probably
do
the
calendar
in
january
and
so
just
allowing
us
that
little
bit
of
freedom
and
flexibility
around
when
we
are
setting
the
fixed
place
and
time
as
we
did
today.
H
And
then
the
next
sentence
to
state
the
times
or
location
of
a
regular
meeting
may
be
changed
by
the
hra
at
any
subsequent
meeting
by
a
majority
vote
of
all
commissioners
and
then
striking
and
after
notification
and
starting
a
new
sentence
that
says,
notification
of
such
change
shall
be
given
in
the
same
manner
required
for
a
special
meeting.
So
that
would
be
striking
the
official
newspaper.
H
A
Chair
thorson
here
so
you're,
suggesting
at
the
end
of
sentence,
one
we
have
in
paren's
regular
meetings.
H
So
at
the
end
of
sentence,
one
strike
annual
meeting
and
put
annual
meeting
and
capitalization
and
in
parentheses
and
quotation
marks
regular
meeting
parentheses
s
for
meetings
just
to
give
us
that
flexibility,
because
we
may
not
set
the
calendar
at
the
annual
meeting.
We
may
set
it
before
the
annual
meeting.
A
F
Thank
you
well.
My
comment
was
on
that
the
second
lineup
to
just
go
to
a
fixed
place
and
a
time
determined
by
the
hra
period,
rather
than
use
at
its
annual
meeting
or
regular
meeting
that
that
gives
the
ultimate
flexibility.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Below
guy
there
was
I,
I
kind
of
had
the
same
kind
of
reaction,
but
quite
sure
how
to
put
it
into
contact
any
other
thoughts
on
this
item
from
commissioners.
Again,
I
don't
see
you
all
up
here,
commissioner.
Olson.
Is
that
a
hand
up.
D
I
was
trying
to
get
my
unmute
the
I
I
agree
with
what
commissioner
council
member
beloga
just
said,
and
I
I
have
a
question
on
line
three
in
our
current
document.
D
H
Thank
you,
commissioner,
olsen
chair
thorson.
That
makes
perfect
sense
to
me,
so
I
just
want
to
reiterate
what
I'm
hearing.
What
I'm
hearing
is
the
first
sentence
to
state
regular
meetings
shall
be
held
by
the
hra
in
a
fixed
place
and
at
a
time
as
determined
by
the
hra
period.
H
The
second
line
I
am
hearing
the
time
may
be
changed
by
the
hra
at
any
subsequent
meeting
by
a
quorum
vote
period
or
something
to
that
effect.
H
Yes,
so
quorum
as
defined
earlier
under
quorum.
That's
that's
where
it
was
defined.
A
quorum
of
the
hra
is
defined
as
a
majority
of
the
commissioners
in
office.
At
any
time,.
H
All
right,
I
do
have
a
question,
oh,
is
somebody
speaking
sorry.
I
Yes,
it's
carla
erica.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
for
the
commissioner's
benefit
that
the
statute,
the
open
meeting
law,
which
I
mentioned
earlier,
specifically
provides
that
if
you
hold
a
regular
meeting
at
a
time
or
place
different
from
the
time
stated
in
your
schedule
of
regular
meetings,
which
you're
to
keep
at
your
primary
office
and
on
your
web
page
that
you're
to
give
notice
in
the
same
manner
as
provided
for
a
special
meeting.
So
again,
this
is
an
instance
where
the
suggestion
that's
being
made
is
to
more
closely
conform.
H
Thank
you
carla,
so
I
will
rephrase
that
what
that
next
line
will
say,
after
a
quorum
of
after
a
quorum
of
commissioners,
would
state
notification
of
such
change
shall
be
given
in
the
same
manner
required
for
a
special
meeting
so
that
we
are
in
lockstep
with
the.
H
Statute.
Okay,
I
do
have
a
question
for
commissioners
and
carla:
is
there
a
need
or
a
desire
to
expressly
call
out
the
titles
or
topics
to
be
discussed
at
regular
meetings?
I
A
I
I
would,
I
would
suggest
for
myself,
I
seems
to
me
it
makes
more
sense
as
a
policy
item,
as
we
are
going
through
this
and
and
sort
of
picking
our
high
level
items
and
our
policy
items.
Commissioner
beloga,
I
saw
your
hand
up.
F
I
know
that
when
the
council
was
going
through
revising
its
rules
of
procedure.
F
H
Thank
you.
So
what
I
hear
is
for
us,
as
staff,
to
double
check
what
is
the
standard
in
the
city
for
boards
and
commissions
when
they
are
detailing
the
order
in
their
in
their
policy
and
or
bylaws
or
guiding
documents.
So
with
that,
I
will
propose.
H
We
will
have
staff,
will
look
into
that
and
follow
up
and
to
add
that
if
we
come
to
a
consensus
that
it
is
the
standard
in
the
city
to
include
this
in
the
bylaws,
then
we
will
need
to
add
two
sections:
new
business
and
discussion
items
before
adjournment
as
well
as
re
as
well
as
titling
number
four
organizational
business,
so
striking,
unfinished
or
and
number
five
would
be
titled,
unfinished
business
and
striking
new.
H
So
there's
two
things
here:
one
for
staff
to
look
and
see
what
is
the
standard
with
the
city
and
other
boards
and
commissions.
If
the
standard
is
that
it
is
included,
we
will
need
to
add
topics
for
the
order.
If
the
standard
is
that
it
does
not
necessarily
need
to
be
included.
Staff
will
need
to
verify
with
commissioners
on
whether
you
would
still
like
to
leave
it
there
or
if
you
would
like
it
to
become
a
part
of
a
policy.
A
A
I
don't
know
it
wasn't
necessarily
new
business,
but
we
you
know,
could
find
ourselves
because
we
all
you
know,
enjoy
this
topic
and
are
all
looking
forward
getting
into
some
territory
where
we're
discussing
items
that
weren't
on
the
agenda
and
that
there
might
be
a
concern
about.
You
know
that
policy.
H
Absolutely
thank
you,
chair
thorson,
for
the
question.
So
a
couple
of
things
I
I
believe,
as
we
are
completing
our
strategic
planning
process
and
identifying
better
what
our
mission
vision
and
focus
is.
H
We
will
be
able
to
better
direct
our
conversation
when
we
do
have
new
business
or
discussion
items,
but
two
that
discussion
items
may
be
necessary
because
there
have
been
times
where
there
has
been
conversation
or
comments
in
regards
to,
for
instance,
the
bylaws,
and
that
was
not
something
that
was
on
the
agenda
and
if
there
was
not
an
item
for
discussion,
discussion
items,
it
didn't
give
leeway
for
commissioners
to
bring
up
such
things.
A
Thank
you.
I
think
that
I
mean
I've,
I've
sort
of
missed
that
I
just
think
we
need
to
sort
of
miss
the
the
sort
of
opportunity
at
the
end
of
a
meeting
to
to
bring
up
you
know
virtually
you
know
any
questions
and
so
on.
We
might
have
just
we
need
to
do
so
with
caution
and
I'm
sure
our
staff
will
will
help
guide
us
keep
us
from
going
astray
in
that
regard.
D
Thank
you.
This
discussion
prompts
me
to
wonder
about
situations
that
would
be
emergency
if,
if
we
had,
for
example,
major
civil
unrest
or
something
like
that
and
or
covet
came
on,
or
something
like
that,
if,
if
we,
how
do
we
end
up
notifying
legally
when
there's
24
hours
or
less
notification
of
a
of
a
very
important
need,
let's
say
that
a
one
of
our
section
8
buildings
burns
down,
for
example,
or
something
like
that.
H
H
So
section
f,
special
meetings.
Special
meetings
of
the
commissioners
may
be
called
by
the
chair
for
any
proper
purpose
of
the
hra
upon
oral
or
written
notice
to
each
of
the
commissioners.
The
notice
shall
be
shall
set
forth
the
time
and
place
of
the
special
meeting.
That
all
reads
great.
However,
we
do
have
suggestions
to
add
just
a
couple
of
things
that
the
notice
set
forth.
I
The
the
open
meeting
law
specifically
has
that
language
erica,
but
I
will
point
out
that
it's
not
currently
in
your
bylaws,
but
there
is
a
separate
section
of
the
open
meeting
law
on
emergency
meetings.
So
perhaps
we
should
be
adding
a
section
on
emergency
meetings
in
addition
to
the
current
annual,
regular
and
special
meetings.
I
But
it
does
provide
and
again
keep
in
mind.
This
is
delivering
notice
to
a
person
who's
filed
a
request
for
notice
of
special
meetings.
The
last
time
we
had
to
call
a
special
meeting,
I
inquired
of
staff
as
to
whether
there
was
anyone
who
had
actually
filed
a
written
request
for
notice
of
special
meetings,
and
at
that
time
there
was
nobody
who
had
done
that.
So
this
is
to
get
the
notice
specifically
to
this
person
or
persons
who
have
filed
a
written
request
for
notice
of
special
meetings.
H
Okay,
thank
you
so
with
that
I
would
propose
leaving
the
suggestion
the
way
it
is
and
taking
up
legals
advice
and
putting
in
a
section
for
emergency
meetings,
which
also
would
get
to
your
suggestion
and
or
question.
Commissioner
olson.
H
Thank
you.
So
if
there's
no
comments
or
questions,
we
can
move
on
to
section
g
conduct
of
meetings
there.
This
is
about
the
conduct
of
the
meeting
using
robert's
rules
of
order.
There
are
no
suggested
changes
outside
of
maybe
a
grammatical
with
robert's
rules
of
order,
but
there's
no
suggested
changes.
Does
anyone
else
have
any
thoughts
or
ideas?
H
Also,
I
will
take
this
time
to
ask.
Do
all
the
commissioners
have
a
electronic
or
physical
copy
of
robert's
rules
of.
F
Well,
I
I
think
there
are
lots
of
editions
of
robert's
rules
of
order,
and,
while
we
all
may
have
a
copy
in
hand,
we
all
may
be
working
out
of
a
different
edition
which
could
cause
some
confusion.
F
So
if
staff
would
circulate
the
most
current
I.
I
would
certainly
appreciate
that.
A
And
given
the
fact
you
say
they're
this
editions,
are
you
saying
in
terms
of
updates,
or
are
you
talking
literally
different
versions
or
approaches,
and
if
either
is
the
case
I
would
look
to
perhaps
this
might
be
something
the
city
would
want
to
standardize
on
standardize
on
in
some
way.
H
Okay,
there
are
updates
to
robert's
rules
of
order.
However,
we
do,
as
staff
have
the
simplified
version
to
provide
that
we
can
email
to
everyone
around
motions
when
to
speak
and
how
to
address,
which
is
I
sit
on
a
few
boards
myself
and
I
get
that
every
single
year
and
we
even
have
it
on
the
back
of
our
little
play
place
cards
when
we're
in
person
so
that
we
can
remember
how
to
address
the
chair
and
to
move
motions
forward.
H
H
Okay,
in
this
section
only
offering
to
change
the
term
member
to
commissioner,
I
think
it's
only
accurate,
and
so
that
would
only
be
the
the
only
change
proposed
is
to
just
accurately
reflect
your
titles.
H
All
right,
so
I
do
have,
let's
see
sorry,
because
I'm
looking
at
the
suggested
changes.
I
do
have
a
section
added,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
about
voting
so
changing
the
title,
adding
section
I
and
it
would
be
titled
voting.
H
H
One
to
dismiss
the
administrator
of
the
hra
two.
If
the
hra
is
an
employee
of
the
city,
to
request
replacement
of
the
administrator
or
cancellation
of
the
contract
with
the
city
and
three
to
amend
the
bylaws
four
to
change
the
fixed
meeting
time,
five
to
borrow
money,
six
to
approve
a
project
as
defined
in
minnesota
statute,
section
469.002
and
seven
to
issue
bonds
or
other
obligations
of
the
hra.
H
H
So
just
being
really
clear,
because
I
think
there
was
some
conversation
before
on
certain
items
and
if
members
were
not
there,
but
there
was
a
quorum
that
it
just
didn't
feel
right
for
commissioners
to
continue
to
vote
on
that
item.
Without
all
commissioners
present,
so
this
would
be
making
it
clear
around
voting.
Does
anybody
have
any
thoughts
based
on
what
I
just
was
able
to
verbally,
say.
A
So
for
clarification,
these
fairly
major
your
proposal
is
these
fairly
major
items
to
vote
on
could
be,
could
be
voted
on
by
three
of
at
the
size
of
our
current
board,
three
or
five
commissioners
and.
C
A
Seemed
maybe
I
mean
my
gut
reaction
to
this
is
maybe
too
low
a
bar,
but
and
so
that's
kind
of
my
first
reaction.
My
second
reaction
is:
if
we're
moving,
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
deal
with
this
tonight,
but
we've
talked
about
expanding
the
board
and
of
course
the
number
may
change,
but
but
I
I'm
just
giving
you
my
first
reaction
to
that.
I
E
I
Carla
peterson,
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
this,
what
the
provision
that
eric
is
talking
about
right
now,
if
myra,
wants
to
scroll
down
a
couple
pages
in
your
current
bylaws
part
of
what's
going
on
here
is
where
you
see
there,
there's
a
quorum
and
voting
section
there
we're
trying
to
we,
because
first
of
all
quorum
was
discussed
twice
in
your
bylaws
in
the
meeting
section
and
then
here
later
in
this
quorum
and
voting
section,
the
the
attempt
was
made
to
put
what
what
I
think
we
considered
to
be
related
matters
all
in
one
location,
which
is
why
erica
mentioned
early
on
changing
the
title
of
article
two
to
meetings
quorum
and
voting.
A
Got
it?
Thank
you.
Any
other
comments.
Questions
again.
I
don't
see
everybody
speak
up.
If
you
need
to
talk-
and
I
don't
see
you
chair
thorson,
that
would
be
commissioner
baloga.
F
Thank
you.
I
I
think
you
know
the
suggestion
is
good.
There
was
a
lot
to
try
to
grasp
as
erica
went
through
that,
so
I
I
think
you
know
it.
We
need
to
allow
everyone
to.
You
know,
read
it
and
absorb
it
when
we
get
the
second
iteration
here,
but
for
instances
where
the
board
wants
to
hold
something
over
that
still
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
do
so
and
still
be
in
compliance
with
this.
So
you
know
I
can
support.
F
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Beloga
any
other
thoughts,
questions
on
this
from
commissioners
and
again
logan.
You
bring
up
a
good
point,
we're
going
through
a
lot
we're
making
some
suggestions
on
the
run.
Here
we
will
get
a
fully
marked
up
copy.
I
believe
in
plenty
of
time
for
us
to
absorb
it
prior
to
our
next
meeting.
A
We
all
need
to
you,
know
comb
through
it
again
and
and
make
sure
we're
all
comfortable
with
with
what's
being
proposed
and
then
bring
up
any
questions
or
concerns
at
the
next
meeting,
but
again
we'll
we'll
try
to
try
to
provide
as
much
guidance
as
we
can
along
the
lines
of
how
we're
feeling
at
this
moment,
but
we
do
need
to.
We
have
a
lot
to
absorb
from
our
discussion
so.
H
A
H
Sorry,
I
was
just
gonna,
just
read
just
clarify,
thank
you
and
so
we're
moving
voting
quorum
and
voting
to
this
upper
article
section,
also,
possibly
looking
at
raising
the
number
of
from
three
to
four
and
and
I
propose
four
because
that's
majority
at
five
commissioners
and
that's
majority
at
seven
commissioners.
If
you
choose
to
do.
A
That,
commissioners,
this
is
a
a
very
important
item,
so
I'd
like
to
know
for
each
commissioner
khanna
how
they
feel
about
this
item
at
at
this
time.
I
won't
call
on
you,
but
do
speak
up
on
this
on
this
item.
F
Mr
chair,
I
understand.
F
Said
I
thank
you
chair.
I
understand
what
erica
just
said
and-
and
I
think
carla
would
need
to
look
at
it
in
as
potentially
being
a
conflict
to
robert's
rules
of
order.
So
we
we
need
to
say
something
possibly
in
robert's
rules
that
if
there's
a
conflict,
what
prevails.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
would
just
add
that
when
I
brought
up
the
comment
about
you
know
three
out
of
five
versus
four
out
of
five,
I
don't
have
a
strong
opinion
right
now.
It's
just
sort
of
a
gut
reaction.
A
A
This
is
a
board
of
only
five
people,
and
so
you
know
for
me,
they're
between
three
and
fours
is
a
pretty
big
deal
in
what
we're
suggesting
here
now,
maybe,
if
we
proceed
and
we
decide
to
expand
the
board
two
to
seven,
perhaps
that
would,
I
guess,
spread
out
the
power
a
little
bit
more
and
I
might
be
more
comfortable,
but
I'm
still
myself
kind
of
chewing
on
that
one.
I
have
to
admit
commissioner
olsen
and
then
commissioner
hougiem.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
in
many
organizations
that
I've
been
in
they
talk
about
a
percentage
instead
of
a
hard
number
and
there's
pros
and
cons
for
both.
I
guess,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
if
we're
talking
about
a
number
of
the
total
commission
board
members-
and
we
have
a
snowstorm
and
something
doesn't
come
or
whatever-
and
it's
a
timely
thing
that
requires
some
action,
I
think
we
need
to.
I
look
forward
to
the
kind
of
review
that
commissioner
baloga
mentioned.
B
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
reiterate.
That
too,
is
I
mean
I
kind
of
like
before
as
well,
but
I
also
do
have
a
concern
with
what
commissioner
beloga
said.
Is
that
and
I'm
going
to
be
very
open
here
and
blunt
on
the
situ,
the
last
situation
where
something
was
proposed
to
be
tabled?
But
then
you
know
there
was
some
more
conversation
done
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
the
table
it
was
taken
off
the
table
and
a
boat
was
made.
A
C
I'm
the
only
one
who
hasn't
spoken
up-
I
you
know
listen
listening
to
commissioner
baloga.
I
think
his
comments
were
very
valid
and
I
would
like
the
opportunity
you
know
to
wait
until
it
comes
back
to
see
what
carla
has
been
able
to
determine,
because
I
think
that'll
be
important.
That'll
help
make
that
decision,
whether
it's
three
or
four.
A
And
again,
I'm
I'm
still
chewing
on
this
one
a
bit
myself
and
I
think
about
the
fact
that
very
often
as
an
hra
board,
we
have
some
very
tough
and
sometimes
unpopular
decisions
to
make,
and-
and
I
just
mean
this
very
generally-
and
so
therefore
part
of
me
says
you
know
three
out
of
five
for
most
items.
Sometimes
you
have
to
make
hard
decisions
and
not
everybody's
gonna
be
on
board.
And
again
maybe
four
out
of
five
is
is:
is
too
high
of
a
of
a
bar?
A
So
again,
I'm
I'm
still
thinking
through
it.
I
don't
know
how
others
feel,
but
I
think
we're.
E
A
A
great
discussion
here,
however,
anyone
else
have
any
any
thoughts,
follow-up
comments.
F
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
remember
that
you
know
we
we've
had
resignations
from
time
to
time
from
the
board,
and
that
leaves
us
at
four
and
it
would
be
problematic
if
we
have
business
that
we
need
to
do
to
have
a
hundred
percent
attendance
to
achieve
that.
Four
number.
F
So
it's
an
additional
I'm
not
advocating
one
way
or
another,
I'm
just
giving
some
factual
background.
We
had
a
number
of
meetings
that
we
had
three
people
at
and
because
that
was
how
many
we
had
on
the
board
in
town
available
to
do
it
again
with
joining
web
meetings
into
the
process.
That
may
create
greater
flexibility
to
add
people
into
meetings,
even
if
they're
not
physically
able
to
be
present
in
bloomington
for
the
session.
A
I
would
just
add
that
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
you
know
after
this
meeting
and
as
we
get
markups
and
even
before
you
see
anything
from
staff.
These
are
the
kind
of
scenarios
we
have
to
think
about
before
making
changes,
so
we're
all
comfortable
and
we
think
about
all
the
possible
possibilities
that
could
come
up
in
this
regard.
H
Yes,
thank
you
real
quick,
chair,
thorson
commissioners.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
comments
and
note
that
chair
commissioner
olson
did
mention
a
percentage.
A
majority
of
five
is
two
and
a
half
people
and
majority
of
seven
is
three
and
a
half
people.
A
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
regarding
that
this
might
be
one
where
I'm
wondering
if
the
city
is
looking
at
a
policy.
For
example,
once
we
go
back
to
in-person
meetings,
will
an
in-person
be
required,
or
can
any
council
member
commissioner
come
in
virtually
that
might
be
a
city-wide
discussion
number
one?
So
that's
more
of
a
comment,
maybe
a
question
for
jack
and
then
number
two.
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
I
saw
commissioner
olson's
hand
up
a
bit
earlier.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
think
the
comment
by
administrator
coleman
about
two
and
a
half
and
three
and
a
half.
I
think
that
pretty
much
automatically
goes
to
rounding
up,
but
one
of
the
the
things
that
it
seems
to
me
is
we're
back
to
talking
about
what
belongs
in
the
bylaws
and
what
belongs
in
policy.
D
And
so
I
think
this
discussion
suggests
that,
as
administrator
coleman
and
other
staff
perhaps
interact
with
legal
counsel
peterson
that
we
end
up
getting
something
concrete
as
a
proposal
based
on
what
the
issues
are,
that
we've
been
bringing
up
regarding
the
the
idea
of
of
web
web
meetings,
it
seems
to
me
that
that
that
staff
and
and
legal
counsel
can
come
up
with
some
wording
where
that
could
be
included
either
in
policy.
D
I
would
think
or
in
in
in
in
the
bylaws,
but
part
of
it
too,
is
that
when
the
comment
was
made
about
the
health
division
indicating
that
something
couldn't
happen
because
of
the
of
the
the
virus,
I
think
we
need
to
have
some
flexibility
and
maybe
some
reference
to
the
building
that
we
keep
talking
about
the
city
plaza
that
the
policies
there
would
have
to
set
by
the
city
city
council
would
have
to
be
overriding
these
kinds
of
things,
and
I
think
some
wording
can
be
put
into
the
bylaws
that
refers
to
that
kind
of
a
policy
and
then
the
policy
developed.
A
Question
for
commissioner
beloga
to
your
knowledge
is,
is
the
council
is,
is,
are
there
any
discussions
about?
Let's
say
clovid
has
passed
and
we're
back
to
in-person
meetings.
Has
there
been
any
discussion
about,
let's
say
a
commissioner
or
council
member
who
wants
to
regularly
visit?
Virtually
I
mean?
Is
there
any
plus
or
minus
to
that?
That's
been
discussed.
I'm
curious.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
there
has
been
discussion
of
continuing
virtual
meetings
for
participation,
it's
yet
to
be
determined.
Who
would
be
eligible
to
do
that
and
not
do
that,
but
we
have
a
legal
department
looking
at
it.
I
think
the
minnesota
state
legislature
is
looking
at
it.
F
The
there
will
be
some
modifications
at
civic
plaza
to
help
facilitate
that
both
to
console
chambers
and
at
least
one
other
conference
room
so
that
it's
available
to
when
there
are
concurrent
meetings
so
that
it's
not
just
city
council
chambers,
but
also
another
one.
F
So
it's
not
determined
yet
because
there
are
statutory
provisions
that
need
to
be
met
also,
and
but
it's
being
worked
through
and
that's
as
much
as
I
can
give
you
at
this
moment.
A
Thank
you.
I
guess
my
only
comment
would
be
that,
rather
than
us
putting
it
in
our
bylaws
or
policy
at
this
point,
perhaps
we
wait
for
more
of
direction
from
the
city
as
a
whole,
so
we
have
consistency.
I
Chair
thorson
commissioners,
I'd
just
like
to
elaborate
on
that
a
little
I
I
had
a
discussion
with
the
city
attorney.
Just
briefly
on
you
know
the
current
situation
we're
in
right
now
and
the
state
open
meeting
law
would
not
allow
virtual
meetings
once
the
pandemic
is
no
longer
declared.
I
The
state
agencies
and
certain
boards
are
allowed
under
the
open
meeting
law
to
to
have
electronic
meetings
or
meetings
they
call
by
interactive
tv,
but
currently
we
would
not
be
allowed
to
do
that,
and
I
believe
there
is
some
discussion
at
the
legislature
as
to
perhaps
allowing
that
so
when
the
pandemic
is
no
longer
when
the
the
governor's
order
regarding
the
pandemic
is
no
longer.
In
effect,
we
would
require
to
have
live
meetings
in
person,
meetings.
A
I
I
would
add
that
would
be
a
relief
to
me
because
I
think
it's
much
easier
to
try
to
run
a
meeting
from
in-person.
Rather
than
virtually
do
we
have
hands
or
do
we
have
muting
taking
place,
commissioner?
Who
game.
B
I
just
thank
you,
chair,
thorson,
just
a
quick
question
when
you
just
for
clarification
when
they,
when
you
mention
about
the
governor's
orders
for
the
pandemic,
does
that
mean
his
emergency
powers
are
gone
or
is
that
where
he
is
going
to
declare
that
this
pandemic
is
over?
I
just
clarification
here
as
someone
who
honestly
will
be
probably
one
of
the
last
ones.
H
I
am
not
sure
actually
just
just
because
of
everything
that
I've
taken
in
in
the
last
few
days,
between
the
executive
orders
and
the
legislature,
I'm
not
sure,
on
the
governor's
powers
anymore.
Just
to
be
perfectly
honest,
I
I
I
believe
it
would.
It
would
be
more
so
that
we're
in
a
we're
in
a
pandemic
and
that
it
would
be
more
so
probably
from
the
federal
government
at
this
point
of
stating
whether
the
pandemic
is
under
control.
H
But
then,
whatever
comes
of
the
governor's
executive
orders,
but
the
city
has
put
in
place
a
policy
at
this
point
around
staff
and
and
being
in
person.
H
So
I
think
if
once
we
get
direction
from,
I
would
say
the
cdc
that
it's
safe
to
return
to
a
certain
level
that
we
would
be
as
a
state
looking
at
that
to
not
violate
open
to
not
violate
the
open
meeting
laws
which
do
not
allow
us
at
this
time
to
continue
to
meet
virtually
once
that
has
been
specified
by,
I
would
say
the
federal
government,
but
I'm
not
sure
so
carla.
If
you
have
anything
else
that
you
know
please
chime
in.
D
Thank
you.
I
I
don't
know
if,
if
there's
an
answer
at
this
point,
but
I
would
like
to
ask
legal
counsel
peterson
about
the
need.
Well,
it's
back
to
an
issue
we've
talked
about
before
including
tonight,
and
that
is
what
is
the
legal
standing
of
the
hra.
D
The
authority
and
some
of
that's
been
clarified-
need
to
process
it
myself.
But
it
seems
to
me
that
in
these
kinds
of
situations
which
have
an
element
of
emergency
in
them
that
that
we
to
my
point
before,
I
think
we
need
to
as
as
a
an
authority
in
bloomington,
we
need
to
end
up
going
with
what
the
city
does.
D
So,
for
example,
when
emergency
governor
director's
orders
came
through,
the
city
was
meeting
in
special
session,
staffer
and
council,
or
whatever
to
make
decisions,
and
rather
than
us
duplicating
that
it
seems
to
me
that
we
we
need
to
follow
that
if,
for
no
other
reason
than
because
our
primary
meeting
place
is
civic,
plaza
legal
council
peterson,
what
are
your
thoughts.
I
I
think
it's
advisable
for
us
to
follow
the
city's
direction.
I
mean
there's
a
number
of
orders
that
have
been
issued
with
regard
to
the
pandemic.
As
far
as
I
know,
the
city
of
bloomington
has
has
their
order
still.
In
effect,
the
state
of
minnesota
still
has
their
order
and
effective
and,
as
erica
said,
the
federal
government,
the
cdc
is
also
continuing
to
have
the
pandemic
order.
I
In
effect,
we,
you
know,
we
have
the
ability
to
do
things
on
our
own
as
a
separate
legal
entity,
but
I
think
that
if
the
city's
wanting
continuity
and
consistency
unless
the
hra
has
a
broad
objection-
or
you
know
some
sort
of
major
objection
to
that-
that
it
makes
sense
to
me
that
we
continue
to
follow
the
city's
requirements
and
early
on
the
city
attorney,
and
I,
as
well
as
the
port
authorities
council,
all
three
of
us
analyzed.
I
A
A
Any
other
commissioners
like
to
be
okay.
Thank
you
any
other
commissioners
have
any
comments
on
this
section
before
we
move
on.
H
Thank
you,
chair
thorson.
I
just
want
to
ask
because
I'm
notating
the
time-
and
this
is
a
lot
of
information
to
take
in-
would
you
like
to
continue
on
through
this
next
section
and
end
around
8pm,
or
would
you
like
to
try
and
get
through
this?
We
have
quite
a
bit
left.
A
Mission
is
what
looking
for
your
input
here.
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
would
recommend
that
we
follow
staff's
thoughts
that.
F
To
be
thoughtful,
it
takes
a
bit
of
time
and
concentration
and
the
mind
can
only
absorb
what
the
rear
can
endure,
as
the
old
saying
goes,
and
I'm
kind
of
restless
tonight
after
sitting
through
five
hours
last
night
of
console
sessions.
So
that's
just
my
personal
position.
C
Yes,
I
would,
I
think,
echo
commissioner
beloga's
comments.
I
find
the
later
I
get
into
the
evening
the
harder
it
is
to
focus
on
really
focused
on
what
we're
doing,
and
I
would
rather
have
some
time
to
absorb
what
we've
covered
so
far
and
then
finish
up.
So
I
think
going
until
8
o'clock
is
good,
but
I
don't
think
I'd
want
to
power
through
the
whole
evening.
I
think
my
concentration
would
be
gone,
so
I'm
being
honest.
B
Yes
right,
thank
you
chairperson.
I
agree,
I
think,
to
be
respectful
of
the
process
and
to
give
my
all
I
would
like
to.
I
would
also
like
to
consider
ending
at
eight
just
that
we
are
being
true
to
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
D
Thank
you.
I
I
agree
with
that
too.
What
I
would
would
request,
however,
is
that
we
we
received
a
number
of
specific
edits
if
we
could
get
from
staff
based
on
the
conversation
of
staff,
presumably
some
with
legal
counsel
that
the
part
that
we
don't
cover
tonight
that
you
give
us
a
copy
of
the
bylaws
that
end
up
indicating
staff
recommendation
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
D
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
olson.
I
I
would
also
ask
staff
if
it
if
we
could
get
for
the
portion,
that
we
did
reach
some
conclusions
and
gave
you
some
directions
if
we
could
get
a
draft
of
those
for
the
next
meeting,
so
we
could
also
touch
on
those
make
sure
we're
still
all
on
the
same
page.
Before
we
move
on
to
the
other
items,
I
think
that
might
be
helpful
in
moving
things
along
as
well.
If
the
staff
is
able
to
pull
that
together
in
time.
H
Thank
you
chair,
oh
chair,
thorson
and
commissioners.
I
just
love
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
here,
because
I
was
going
to
provide
you
with
that.
I
would,
after
this
meeting,
we
can
provide
you
with
the
edited
version
of
what
we've
already
discussed.
That
includes
your
comments
and
questions
so
that
you
could
at
least
see
that
and
as
you're
looking
at
the
next
version.
H
Excuse
me
the
next
portion
you
can
see
how
it's
starting
to
align
and
it
helps
to
inform,
suggested
revisions
or
changes
that
you
would
like
to
make.
So
thank
you.
This
is
great.
A
And
and
once
again,
I
think
that
getting
input
on
the
the
three
versus
or
four
versus
five
is
is
important
to
know
from
the
rules
of
order
and
and
if
it
is
an
option
for
us,
I
just
would
you
know,
hope
everybody
thinks
through
different
scenarios
themselves
and
make
sure
they're
comfortable
with
whatever
number
we
think
we
need
to
support,
because
I
believe,
with
the
board
of
five
people.
That's
that's
a
really
big
decision
we're
making,
and
I
think
we
want
to
be
right
about
that.
H
Thank
you,
so
the
last
portion,
these
last
few
minutes
that
we'll
touch
on
is
commissioners.
It's
an
article
three
commissioners
officers,
administrators
staff
and
says
section
a
commissioners.
There
shall
be
sorry
there
shall
be
appointed
at
least
five
commissioners,
but
no
more
than
seven
with
that.
There
are
some
proposals
here,
one
adding
a
few
three
sub
items
and
want
to
discuss
this.
The
appointment
so
that
the
mayor
of
bloomington,
with
the
approval
of
the
city
council,
is
responsible
for
appointing
the
hra
board
commissioners.
H
So
just
specifying
how
a
commissioner
becomes
a
commissioner,
even
though
it
doesn't
mention
the
application.
It
just
mentions
that
the
mayor
points
to
the
term
of
service
I
had
previously
in
my
just
my
thinking
was
wondering
if
five
years
was
too
long
for
one
person
when
it
comes
to
turnover
of
the
board
and
representation
throughout
the
city.
H
I
do
not
know.
I
put
that
back
to
you
as
commissioners
because
in
my
very
limited
review
of
the
statute,
it
said
five
years
so
that
might
be
bigger
than
what
I
thought
to
think
about
a
different
term,
but
just
specifying
the
term
of
service
and
that
each
vacancy
in
an
unexpired
term
shall
be
filled
for
the
remainder
of
the
term,
for
which
the
original
appointment
was
made.
H
So,
just
being
clear,
like
you
said
earlier,
commissioner
beloga
you've
had
some
resignations
before
just
being
clear
that
that
seat
needs
to
be
filled
and
it
will
be
filled
for
the
remainder
of
the
term.
The
last
one
was
something
I
mentioned
earlier,
and
I
give
this
to
commissioners.
H
To
think
about,
and
to
chew
on
is
that
city
council
members
is
a
section
or
topic
of
commissioners
and
that
a
city
council,
member
of
the
city
of
bloomington
may
be
appointed
and
may
serve
as
commissioner
of
the
hra,
and
I
offer,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
to
think
about
one
having
a
city
council
member
is
valuable
and
needed,
but
is
the
city
council,
member,
a
commissioner
or
a
liaison
that
allows
for
the
information
sharing
of
what
the
city
council
is?
H
Is
thinking
and
working
through
to
the
hra
board
and
vice
versa,
for
the
liaison
from
that
city
council
liaison
to
also
bring
back
to
the
city
council?
What
the
hra
is
working
on
and
looking
at
and
making
sure
it's
in
alignment
a
liaison
would
be
an
ex-officio
member,
which
means
a
non-voting
member
again.
That
is
just
a
thought
and
idea.
H
If
that
was
something
that
is
allowed,
I
have
to
say
that,
because
I'm
not
quite
sure
I
did
not
look
at
statute
or
anything
on
how
this
works.
That
would
leave
a
seat
open
to
be
filled
for
the
five
members
before
going
back,
to
legislate
to
the
legislature,
to
ask
for
the
statute
authority
to
be
changed
to
increase
to
seven
members,
but
that
was
all
I
had
for
that
section
and
I'll
take
any
questions
comments,
but
that
was
the
last
thing
for
you,
guys
kind
of
just
think
about
and
chew
on.
H
I
don't
know
I'm
new
and
just
looking
at
the
whole
picture
and
how
we
work
here.
A
Thank
you.
I
I
do
think
it's
something
to
chew
on.
I
see
personally
a
lot
of
advantages
to
having
a
city
sitting
council
member
as
a
voting
member
of
the
hra,
and
they
can
often
you
know,
speak.
You
know
with
a
with
a
voice
to
the
city
council.
I
think
that
that
a
advisory,
what
was
it?
What
was
the
term
again
liaison.
A
Think
it's
valuable
to
have
a
city
person
at
each
meeting
and
I
might
worry
a
little
bit
that
if
somebody
is
a
liaison
it
might
with
their
busy
schedules,
not
always
you
know
rise
to
the
top
to
attend
the
meetings
I
can
go.
I
mean
I
again
it's
something
I
want
to
think
about
further
myself
and
I'm
sure
everybody
else
does,
but
I
I
don't
necessarily
see
a
downside
to
how
it's
working
today.
A
So
one
of
the
questions
I
often
try
to
ask
is
you
know:
is
there
something
broken
that
we're
trying
to
fix
and
if
not
you
know,
I
worthy
of
discussion.
H
I
just
want
to
really
quit
chair
thorson,
I'm
not
suggesting
anything's
necessarily
broken.
Oh.
H
No,
I
know
I
didn't.
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
I
know
you
didn't
work
weren't
implying
that,
but
in
thoughts
of
looking
at
representation
throughout
the
city,
and
also,
I
know
of
of
other
hra
boards
or
public
housing
boards
that
include
a
space
for
residents
and
it
could
be,
it
could
be
intimidating
to
have
if
it
gets
to
that
point.
H
I
just
want
to
be
clear
if
it
gets
to
that
point,
it
could
be
very
intimidating
of
having
an
elected
official
being
a
voting
member
on
the
same
board
with
a
resident
or
a
renter,
maybe
of
one
of
our
programs
when
we're
looking
at
trying
to
be
more
diverse
and
broad,
but
also
getting
people
that
have
the
background
in
development
finance,
real
estate,
community
engagement
and
different
things.
So
that
was
just
my
my
thinking
that
I
just
wanted
to
provide
to
you,
but
I
wasn't
trying
to
say
you
were
applying
anything.
A
Absolutely
I'm
just
you
know
again
and
that's
why
it's
important
that
we,
I
think,
have
the
time
to
to
absorb
what
we've
talked
about
today,
because
a
lot
of
these
are
fairly
significant
changes,
and
I
I
understand
you
know
one
of
the
thoughts
behind
this
is
to,
in
effect
like
open
another
seat
that
is
automatically
delegated
to
the
city
council
to
members
of
the
community,
and
I
think
that's
a
worthy.
A
Objective-
and
I
think
it
just
got
muted
where
commissioners
any
other
thoughts
or
comments
on
this
particular
section.
F
I
know
it's
been
mentioned
a
time
or
two
that
the
appointment
of
commissioners
is
done
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
council,
but
you
know
that
that's
stuck
in
my
mind
and
I
don't
think
that's
how
console
is
operating.
F
I
believe
that
council
is
approving
the
only
the
only
commission
that
I
can
assure
that
is
working
in
the
way
that
has
been
expressed
is
is
the
port
authority.
F
D
Olson,
would
you
restate
that
question?
I'm
I'm
not
sure
what
you're
asking.
F
Well,
I
believe
that
the
hra
seats
are
being
filled
by
action
of
the
council
in
its
entirety,
rather
than
being
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
ratified
by
council.
D
Yes,
am
I
unmuted?
In
fact,
I
recall
that
we
ended
up
having
sometimes
saturday
meetings
or
whatever
to
to
have
candidates
for
quite
a
variety
of
the
commissions
meet
with
with
the
whole
council
before
that
happening.
So
I
I
personally
am
confused
about
what
the
process
is
and
and
your
description
of
what
our
practice
is.
D
I
guess
indicates
why,
so
I
look
forward
to
the
the
city,
staff
and
council
working
with
us
to
get
that
that's
figured
out,
but
I
don't
know
if
that
really
answered
your
question,
but.
F
Or
question
no,
I
just
again
would
request
that
staff.
Look
at
council
minutes
and
work
with
the
consul
secretary
to
verify
the
practice
in
past
years.
D
B
Sorry
I
can
state
that,
for
my
when
I
was
voted
in
council
had
all
the
resumes
and
they
put
each
council
member
voted
for
who
they
wanted
to
be
assigned
to
the
position
on
the
hra.
So
it
was
a
it
was.
It
was
done
by
each
council.
Member
and
the
majority
votes
were
the
people
who
were
appointed
thanks.
D
Thank
you,
one
of
the
things
that
when
I
was
still
on
council,
there
was
some
discussion
about
who
should
be
the
liaison
from
the
council,
one
of
one
of
the
things
kind
of
then,
but
even
more.
D
So
since
is
that
and
and
this
is
not
making
it
personal
with
a
council
member
and
commissioner
baloga
but
the
reality
is
all
council
members
have
an
opportunity
to
vote
on
any
of
the
major
issues
that
come
out
of
hra
and
so
particularly
with
such
a
small
commission
of
only
five
people.
It
ends
up,
meaning
that
it's
20
of
of
the
voting
power
in
the
hra
and
then
one
seventh
of
the
power
on
the
city
council.
So
it
it's
like
it.
D
It
really
gives
that
person
quite
a
bit
of
power
and
and
council
member
commissioner
beloga
is
is
up
to
all
that.
But
I
just
think
that
particularly
given
our
discussion
before
and
my
personal
view
that
that
that
there's
a
problem
that
this
commission
does
not
have
direct
voices
from
the
people
that
it
represents,
and
so
the
the
whole
idea
of
engagement,
equity
and
so
forth
in
our
major
strategies
for
the
whole
city.
D
A
A
Okay,
thank
you.
One
thing
that
came
to
mind
during
this
discussion.
You
know
we
we
haven't
talked
about
it
yet
this
evening,
but
we've
only
touched
on
the
concept
of
in
the
past,
of
not
only
thinking
about
board
but
designations
that
we
might
have.
A
For
example,
a
person
from
the
community
we
serve
in
in
in
housing,
and
just
another
thing
for
us
to
chew
on
is.
How
does
that
relate
then,
to
you
know
that
the
the
concept
that
the
council
shall
appoint
commissioners,
because
now
we're
providing
guidance
for
them
to
appoint
commissioners
or
categories.
A
So
on
the
one
hand
we
say
it
is
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
that
are
that
are
appointing
hra
members
and,
on
the
other
hand,
potentially
we
haven't
done
it
yet,
but
potentially
we
have
discussed
sort
of
categories
of
commissioners,
and-
and
my
guess
is
that
may
require
the
cooperation
and
agreement
of
the
council
as
a
policy
moving
forward.
As
my
is
my
guess,.
H
Thank
you,
chair
thorson.
I
just
we're
going
to
be
ending,
but
I
want
to
note
that
carla
seemed
to
have
something
so
she
might
have
some
clarification
or
information
to
provide
around
this
topic.
I
Thank
you
very
much
erica.
I
was
trying
to
get
my
get
a
word
in
and
I
apologize.
I've
got
a
lot
of
paperwork
in
front
of
me,
and
so
I
I
don't
have
my
camera
working
right
now,
so
I'm
kind
of
flipping
through
a
lot
of
things
here
in
my
home
office.
But
what
I
wanted
to
provide
was
just
what
the
statute
provides
here
and-
and
it
does
specifically
say
the
commissioners
shall
be
appointed
by
the
mayor
with
the
approval
of
the
governing
body,
I'm
reading
directly
from
the
statutory
provision.
I
I
I
We
were
able
to
find
bylaws
of
three
different
hras,
two
of
which
are
neighbors
of
yours.
The
richfield
hra
bylaws,
provide
the
two
commissioners
will
be
city
council
members,
the
edina
hra
designates
all
city
council
members
simultaneously
as
commissioners,
so
every
council
member
is
a
commissioner
and
there
are
no
to
my
knowledge.
I
Commission
commissioners,
who
are
not
city
council
members,
faribault
down
in
southern
minnesota,
designates
one
commissioner
position
for
city
council
members,
so
just
thought
I
would
give
you
some
intelligence
that
we
have
found
via
searching
the
internet
as
to
what
some
other
hras
are
doing.
So
there
is
not
a
standard
practice
here,
so
you
could.
I
You
know,
provide
that
there
would
only
be
a
certain
number
of
city
council
members
that
will
be
hra
commissioners,
and
it
does
sound
to
me
that
there's
some
desire
perhaps
to
increase
the
size
of
the
board
and,
as
I
mentioned
early
on,
I
would
suspect
that
would
not
be
a
hard
thing
to
do
at
the
legislature.
I've
actually
spoken
with
kathleen
lamb
and
doug
carnival,
who
are
both
lobbyists
at
our
firm,
and
we
could
certainly
assist
you
with
that
and
that
could
help
to.
You
know
allow
more
representation
from
people
that
live
in
your
project.
I
I
H
A
All
right
folks,
we're
at
red
805
here,
there's
been
some
discussion
about
adjourning
near
eight
o'clock.
Are
there
any
final
comments?
I
think
this
has
been
a
great
meeting
lots
of
good
information
to
discuss.
I
think
we
all
need
to
think
through
these
issues
and
think
about
different
scenarios
that
could
come
about
with
some
of
these
decisions
and
be
prepared
for
a
robust
meeting
next
week
or
our
next
next
meeting.
But
with
that
just
please
indicate
again.
A
I
don't
always
see
all
of
you
speak
up,
raise
your
hand,
and
let
me
know
if,
if
you
have
any
final
comments
regarding
tonight,.
D
Olsen,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
had
requested
I'm
not
clear
if
that's
likely
to
happen
or
not,
and
I'm
not
saying
it
has
to,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
if
the
ideas
that
were
put
in
front
of
us
by
staff
tonight,
as
as
new
information,
could
be
in
some
way
provided
with
the
pack
of
information
we
have
for
the
meet
next
meeting.
D
A
If
not
this,
this
was
a
discussion
item,
so
I
I
suspect,
there's
no
need
to
continue
it
formally.
However,
the
staff
have
a
are
we
looking
at
continuing
this
item
at
our
next
regular
meeting.
H
Thank
you,
chair
thorson.
Yes,
we're
looking
at
continuing
it
at
our
rec
next
regular
meeting,
providing
the
revisions
and
suggestions
discussed
this
evening
and
the
points
of
clarification
or
seeking
additional
information,
and
then
I
believe
commissioner
huhim
had
raised
her
hand
in
case.
You
can't
see
her.
B
Hokey,
thank
you
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
staff
for
being
here
and
to
clarify
just
one
thing.
I
just
had
the
question
that
erica
can
hopefully
answer.
I'm
sure
I
know
you
had
said
that
we
are
allowed
to
have
counsel
for
one
meeting.
Can
council
carry
over
for
the
next
meeting
as
well,
just
to
make
sure
that
we
have
someone
here
representing
on
this?
I
just
wanted
clarification.
That
was
all.
H
Thank
you,
chair
thorson,
commissioner
huhim.
I
will
request
counsel
to
be
present
at
the
next
meeting
and
I
will
work
with
the
general
counsel
to
see
if
that
can
be
done.
A
If
not,
would
be
looking
for
a
motion
to
adjourn.
D
A
quick
since
we
have
one
free
meeting
since
this:
if
this
is
a
continuation,
do
we
have
to
pay,
for
this
is
tongue-in-cheek
legal
counsel,
peter
said
next
time
or
not,
and
then
I
will.
H
So
I
thank
you.
This
is
erica.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
through
the
legal
services
contract,
it
is
one
meeting
even
if
we
continue
that
is
not
covered
in
legal
services
contracts.
So,
yes,
we
will
need
to
cover
the
cost
of
general
counsel
for
the
next
meeting
that
general
counsel
is
present
at.
A
And
we
have
a
motion
I
would
just
indicate
I
was
kidding
about
continuing
the
meeting.
Do
we
have
a
second.
A
We
have
a
second
by
lewis
motion
by
olsen.
Second,
by
lewis,
I
will
now
do
the
roll
call
vote.
Hello,
hi.