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From YouTube: December 9, 2021 Bloomington Minnesota City Council / Port Authority Concurrent Meeting
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Bloomington Minnesota City Council / Port Authority Concurrent Meeting
B
C
E
B
We
have
first
order
of
business.
Tonight
is
a
approval
of
minutes
for
our
september,
8th
our
october
13th
and
our
november
10th
concurrent
city
council,
port
authority
meetings
council.
Unless
there
are
changes
or
corrections,
I
would
look
for
a
council
approval
of
those
minutes
for
those
three
dates.
B
I
hear
a
motion
by
council
member
but
logan,
I
believe,
a
second
by
council
member
coulter
to
approve
our
minutes
for
september,
8th
october
13th
and
november
10th,
concurrent
city
council,
port
authority
meetings,
no
further
discussion
on
behalf
of
the
council.
Carolyn.
If
you
could,
please
call
the
roll.
A
A
G
G
B
Mr
president,
if,
if
we
could
under
our
new
business,
we
have
two
items
2.1
and
2.2,
if
everyone
would
be
amenable
to
flip-flopping
the
two
of
them
to
move
the
riverview
corridor
project,
design,
concepts
ahead
of
the
south
luke
waterpark
and
expo
site
on
a
joining
lands
item,
it
would
be
helpful.
I
know
we
have.
We
have
consultants
on
on
the
line
tonight
for
item
2.2
and
if
we
could
get
to
them
and
get
them
offline
and
ahead
of
the
pending
blizzard.
Apparently
that's
it's
bearing
down
on
the
twin
cities.
B
B
A
B
H
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
council
and
port
authority
members.
Thank
you
I'll.
Take
the
lead
on
this
and
just
get
us
started.
My
name
is
kevin
rogenbook,
I'm
a
senior
transportation
planner
with
ramsey
county
public
works.
I'm
joined
tonight
by
grant
wifelds
he's
our
part
of
our
engineering,
consulting
team
with
kimberly
horn
working
on
the
riverview
quarter,
modern
streetcar
project
and
we're
we're
very
happy
to
be
here
tonight
to
share.
You
share
an
update
with
you
on
our
project.
H
It
is
starting
to
share
there.
It
is
all
right,
fantastic
grant,
has
the
controls
so
I'll
just
speak
to
the
first
couple
of
slides.
Again,
thank
you
for
for
having
us
here
in
your
meeting
today.
This
is
our
agenda,
or
just
some
some
topics
we'd
like
to
cover
with
you.
The
project
is
much
bigger
than
this,
but
we'll
we'll
cover
the
topics
that
are
most
relevant
and
most
interesting
to
to
you
in
bloomington.
H
We'll
give
you
an
update
on
the
overall
project
itself
on
the
riverview,
modern
streetcar
project,
the
engineering
and
pre-environmental
work
that
we're
doing
now,
we'll
focus
on
the
bodote
fort
snelling,
the
river
crossing
and
how
we
would
access
into
the
into
the
fort
and
into
the
historic
fort
connect
with
the
blue
line.
We'll
also
talk
to
you
about
our
connection
at
the
mall
of
america.
The
end
of
line
of
this
project
would
run
it.
H
It
would
run
into
it
would
cross
the
river
and
connect
with
blue
line
and
follow
the
blue
line
tracks
all
the
way
into
through
the
airport,
into
the
mall
of
america
and
we'll
show
you
our
ideas
for
end
of
the
line
work
there.
We'll
also
have
a
slide
or
two
to
update
you
on
the
work
we've
been
doing.
Cultural
resources
inventory
work
and
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
our
community
engagement
work
with
that.
I
D
That
alignment
trying
to
understand
some
of
the
engineering
challenges
that
are
along
the
way,
trying
to
understand
the
mode,
car,
bus,
rapid
transit,
those
types
of
things
along
the
way,
dedicated
versus
shared
lane
analysis.
So
depending
on,
where
you're
at
in
the
corridor
you're
in
dedicated
lanes
or
shared
lanes.
D
And
if
you
think
of
blue
bloomington
and
the
blue
line,
that's
a
dedicated
area,
it's
already
an
existing
shared
line
with
the
blue
line,
lrt,
but
there's
other
parts
of
the
corridor-
west,
seventh,
downtown
st
paul,
where
we're
still
we're
trying
to
refine
exactly.
How
are
we
going
to
be
using
the
existing
lanes
that
are
out
there
today?
D
Another
big
charge
of
our
project
is
just
understanding
the
culture,
cultural
and
environmental
impacts
and
benefits
along
the
corridor.
You
can
imagine
this
is
a
multi
multi.
This
is
a
huge
undertaking
with
lots
of
different
areas
that
need
to
be
evaluated.
Culture
and
environmental
is,
is
a
very
large
part
of
what
we'll
be
doing
as
a
part
of
this
project.
I
would
say
that
portion
of
the
project
is
really
waiting
on
the
alignment,
so
once
we
understand
the
alignment,
we
can
really
start
to
dive
a
little
deeper
into
those
impacts.
D
Streetscaping
stationary
planning,
that
will
be
an
important
part
once
the
station
areas
are
located.
Understanding
streetscaping
along
the
west,
7th
into
the
downtown
st
paul,
is
also
very
important
for
our
project
and
just
as
we've
talked
about
sort
of
impacts,
it's
like
it's
impacts
and
benefits.
So
this
project,
as
it
moves
end
to
end
we'll,
want
to
understand
not
only
the
the
impacts
to
the
resources
along
the
corner.
D
We've
got
we've
we're
showing
you
I
think
kevin
mentioned.
This
is
a
large
study
that
goes
from
downtown
st
paul
to
the
mall
of
america
and
we
broke
ourselves
into
four
issue
resolution
teams
and
tonight
we're
going
to
talk
about
two
of
those
issue
resolution
team
areas.
The
first
area
we'll
talk
about
is
the
daute
fort
snelling,
crossing
and
connections
area
which
starts
at
the
end
of
st
paul,
includes
the
trunk
highway,
5
river
crossing
and
then
the
area
around
fort
snelling
in
the
blue
line
connection
point.
D
When
I
think
of
this
area
and
where
we're
at
today,
it's
how
are
we
connecting
across
the
river?
What
does
that
bridge
and
bridge
crossing?
Look
like
what
does
that?
Geometry?
Look
like
that!
Accommodates
that
that
streetcar,
that
modern
streetcar
rail
crossing
and
then
the
the
fort
itself
is
a
culturally
sensitive
site.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
respectful
of
the
area,
the
overlay
districts
that
exist
working
with
our
tribal
partners
and
understanding
the
impacts
of
the
alignments
that
are
being
chosen
and
then
finally,
the
blue
line
connection
itself.
D
Just
operationally
speaking.
How
do
we
interline
with
blue
line?
Does
it
make
sense
to
interline
before
the
station
on
the
north
side
after
the
station,
and
what
are
those
routes
and
alignments
that
allow
for
that
connection,
and
what
are
the
impacts
to
the
blue
line
system
and
one
of
the
benefits
to
the
riverview
system?.
D
As
we
have
spent,
I
think
we're
on
our
12th
irt
coming
up
this
month.
One
of
the
big
findings
through
the
in
what
we're
looking
as
is
the
river
crossing
itself,
is
going
to
be
major
to
to
consider
the
visual
impacts
of
the
proposed
bridge
that
will
be
proposed.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
consider
the
operational
impacts
to
the
fort
and
any
of
the
disturbance
to
the
historic
buildings
around
the
fort.
D
We
want
to
preserve
the
area
of
remembrance,
which
is
an
area
that's
being
created
just
on
the
south
side
of
the
existing
bridge,
on
between
the
old
fort
tower
and
building
17,
and
probably
the
number
one
thing
that
impacts
riverview
is
avoiding
any
disturbance
to
the
original
rock,
which
is
considered
a
sacred
part
of
the
landscape
and
sacred
to
the
tribes,
and
so
what
that
means.
That
fourth
bullet
point
is
use
the
existing
tunnel.
D
If
we
look
ahead
here
and
if
I
go
back-
maybe
I'll
just
describe
where
we're
at.
If,
if
you
look
at
the
the
crossing
itself
from
across
highway
5
many
and
many
times,
if
you
just
drive
this,
you
don't
even
notice
that
there's
fort
snelling
right
above
you
and
you're,
going
through
a
highway
5
tunnel
that
existing
tunnel,
if
you
were
to
look
at
a
little
bit
closer,
has
the
geometry
like
I'll
show
you
in
this
slide
right
here.
D
So
the
top
slide
is
there's
two
lanes
in
each
direction,
existing
fort
snelling's
on
top,
and
I
have
a
rendering
in
the
next
slide.
This
bottom
slide
is
showing
how
you
could
accommodate
both
rail
and
traffic
in
the
same
direction,
so
in
the
area
in
yellow
that
would
also
be
able
to
be
used
by
traffic.
D
So
this
view
here
is
looking
back
towards
saint
paul
and
looking
towards
the
west
along
highway
55..
The
tunnel
in
question
is,
is
in
the
in
the
background
here.
This
is
buildings
17
and
18
to
the
right
is
the
whole,
the
fort
the
fort,
and
this
is
the
chapel,
and
so
what
we're
seeing
here
is
how
an
existing
shared
use
of
highway
5
could
be
accommodated
with
a
mixed
traffic
alternative.
D
In
the
previous
section
we
looked
at,
we
looked
at.
Let
me
go
back
here
for
a
second,
we
looked
at
rail,
going
southbound
to
the
mall
of
america
and
northbound
towards
union
depot,
and
this
is
that
southbound
train.
It
comes
across
highway,
5
and
peels
off,
and
they
would
head
along
highway,
55
and
interline
along
blue
line
in
the
opposite
direction
toward
union
depot.
D
D
Another
alternative
that
we're
looking
at
is
something
called
the
single
track
design,
so
single
track
showing
again
top
section
is
the
section
that's
there
today.
The
bottom
section
is
compressing
all
that
work
within
the
existing
tunnel.
If
you
recall,
we
want
to
retain
the
existing
tunnel
and
tunnel
geometry
based
on
our
work
with
our
tribal
partners
working
with
mndot.
D
That
is
one
of
our.
I
call
it
our
fundamental
points
at
this
point.
The
dedicated
transit
would
be
shown
in
a
single
lane
configuration
and
so
how
that
works
is
we'd,
have
double
track
from
the
mall
of
america.
To
this
point,
we'd
have
double
track
to
just
on
the
north
side
of
the
bridge
and
there'd
be
a
short
segment
less
than
a
half
mile.
That
would
be
what
I
would
call
a
single
track:
design
where
trains
would
effectively
take
turns
going
across
the
bridge,
although
not
ideal.
D
I
D
Would
be
something
less
than
a
minute
and
the
headways
of
the
trains
are
every
10
minutes,
so
we
would,
we
would
intentionally
stagger
the
trains
and
the
schedules
of
the
trains,
so
they
would
really
never
meet
in
this
single
track
concept.
Only
the
only
times
that
this
would
be
an
issue
is
if
the
trains
were
way
off
schedule,
would
they
potentially
meet
the
advantages
of
the
single
track?
D
Is
you're
able
to
take
take
advantage
of
this
existing
tunnel
bore
and
you
don't
have
any
stoppages
to
traffic
that
you
saw
in
the
last
examples
with
mixed
traffic,
so
we're
proceeding
to
analyze
both
the
single
track
and
the
mixed
traffic
design
with
our
partners
at
mndot
metro
transit.
We
still
have
a
number
of
meetings
to
go
to
get
to
a
resolution
of
what
is
the
best
alternative
to
move
forward,
but
we're
down
to
these
two
at
this
location.
I
D
So
in
the
irt
itself,
we
need
to
resolve
our
bridge
options.
How
are
we
carrying
the
the
train
across
the
river?
What
is
the
accommodation
for
bikes
and
pads
today?
If
you
were
to
walk
across
the
trunk
highway,
5
bridge,
it's
there's
a
small
8-foot,
at-grade
ped
crossing
that
on
either
end
you
have
to
travel
up
21
feet,
which
is
both
steps
on
both
ends.
D
B
D
D
So,
as
you
double
the
number
of
trains
in
the
mac
tunnel,
we've
identified
that
as
an
operational
challenge
that
we
want
to
concern
that
we
want
to.
We
want
to.
We
want
to
understand
number
one
but
number
two.
If,
if
there's
any
issue
that
needs
to
be
resolved
from
a
technical
standpoint,
the
iot
is
the
place
to
do
that.
D
D
One
of
the
very
first
things
we
did
with
the
irt
was
trying
to
understand
the
alignment
and
route
of
blue
line
and
how
it
interlines
at
mall
of
america
station.
So
the
lpa
or
the
locally
preferred
alignment,
said
inner
line
along
blue
line
and
use
the
existing
alignment
in
existing
facilities,
and
so
as
a
part
of
that,
what
what
we
looked
at
is
from
a
traffic
standpoint.
D
What
happens
when
we
double
the
number
of
trains
today,
there's
10
minute
headways
with
blue
line
trains,
adding
river
view
to
the
corridor
would
essentially
double
the
number
of
headways
or
double
the
number
of
crossings
at
24th,
and
so
our
traffic
team,
with
the
input
of
some
data
from
metro
transit,
looked
at
what
the
gate
down
times
would
be,
and
we
found
that
the
gate
downtime
at
24th
sort
of
independent
of
how
the
traffic
would
function
was,
I
think,
57
of
the
time,
and
so
as
an
irt.
We
said
this
was
unacceptable.
D
So
we
started
looking
at
some
alternate
options.
I
believe
we
study
12
or
13
different
options,
but
we
came
to
two
of
the
best
alternatives.
We
want
to
move
forward
with
for
further
evaluation,
and
I
want
to
take
a
little
minute
to
show
you
what
those
alternatives
that
we
landed
on
are
so
the
first
option
was
taking
a
combined
riverview
and
blue
line
at
grade
along
82nd.
D
D
D
This
would
be,
I
would
call
it
the
the
bare
bones:
option,
the
least
expensive
option
and
when
presented
to
our
partners
with
metro
transit
working
with
the
city
of
bloomington,
reviewing
these
with
the
mall
of
america.
I
think
the
favorite
is
the
next
one,
but
this
was
our
base
assumption
that
we
worked
with
and
the
next
option
we
showed
was
sort
of
the
preferred
option
to
move
forward
with
for
further
study
so
option.
One
is
the
one
we
just
looked
at.
D
This
is
the
nested
platforms
again,
this
is
just
a
a
basic
rendering
just
to
show
you
the
general
form
of
what
this
could
take.
It's
certainly
not
an
architectural
rendering
with
all
the
features
and
elements
of
a
station
platform
area,
but
it
gives
you
a
sense
of
how
this
lays
in
the
world
relative
to
the
area
80.
D
The
second
option
we
looked
at
the
one-
that's
preferred,
I
would
say
by
the
irt,
except
for
probably
the
cost
elements
that
would
need
to
be
included
are
the
the
structure
at
along
80
seconds.
So
what
you
see
here
is
similar
to
before
this.
South
alignment
for
blue
line
and
blue
line
service
would
be
relocated.
D
A
concurrent
with
this
80.
Second
alignment.
Orange
is
elevated
structure,
so
this
would
be
some
sort
of
retaining
wall
or
retained
embankment
that
would
climb
would
cross
over
the
this
driveway
or
propose
access
to
the
agility
lands
and
serve
it
would
serve
across
24th
avenue.
So
what
you
see
here
is
two
side-by-side
platforms.
One
platform
would
be
for
blue
line.
One
platform
would
be
for
riverview.
D
These
platforms
have
been
slid
up
and
over
24th
avenue
to
connect
into
the
existing
transit
center.
What
else
the
brown
again
are
the
vertical
circulation
so
depending
on
where
you
are
at,
and
what
this
development
looks
like.
This
could
be
integrated
within
the
adrenaline
lanes:
property
development.
D
D
I
have
seen
a
few
different.
You
know,
there's
been
some
talk
about.
Is
this
covered?
What
does
this
look
like?
What,
I
would
say
is
metro
transit.
They
they,
like
the
existing
blue
line
of
many
they're,
really
proud
of
some
of
the
the
recent
renovations
that
have
happened
with
the
lighting
with
the
connections
with
the
the
passenger
connections
to
the
adjacent
bus,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that,
as
a
team
that
we'll
be
looking
at
and
kevin
ramsey
county
have
directed
us
to
look
at,
is
how
do
we?
D
D
What
is
that
flow
through
capability?
As
you
start
thinking
about
all
the
different
places
that
people
will
be
going?
So
although
these
schematics
are
sort
of
blocky
in
detail,
you
can
imagine
that
these
can
get
elevated
very
quickly
once
we
get
our
architects
involved,
but
we
just
wanted
to
show
schematically.
How
can
something
like
this
work?
What
are
the
elevations
and
what
are
some
of
the
surrounding
features
around
it?
D
As
I
mentioned
at
the
early
part
of
our
meeting,
you
know
if
you
think
about
our
early
charge,
it's
really
defining
the
alignment
to
understand
what
that
end
to
end
alignment
looks
like
and
we
feel
like,
at
least
in
bloomington.
We've
got
that
alignment
figured
out
and
you
know
one
option
shows
at
grade.
D
There's
obviously
been
a
large
investment
from
an
fta
standpoint
into
that
track,
so
understanding
if
there's
any
payback
implications
or
if
moving
the
service
from
you
know,
28th
the
long
old
shock.
If
you
wrote
into
the
mall
of
america,
if
there's
any
advantages
of
actually
shortening
that
up,
so
you
shorten
up
your
user
time.
You
potentially
shorten
up
that
travel
time
for
the
train.
D
You
know
so
we're
trying
to
understand
all
those
different
facets
associated
with
the
fta,
the
blue
line
and
any
potential
implications
for
payback
kevin
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
and
certainly
open
it
up
kevin.
If
you
want
to
take
questions
now
or
just
want
to
get
to
the
end
and
then
we'll
take
some
questions.
H
Okay
grant.
Thank
you
very
much
just
mentioned.
You
mentioned
the
benefits
of
travel
time,
so
a
station
at
82nd
street
would
would
introduce
some
extra
steps,
maybe
escalators
and
things
like
that
for
for
travelers
to
use
to
get
to
the
mall
or
to
get
to
the
bus
bus
bays
down
below
to
transfer.
But
at
the
same
time
it
reduces
travel
time.
H
A
B
If
I
could
also
chime
in,
I
appreciate
this,
thank
you
grant
and
kevin
for
the
information
and
for
the
update
and
the
work
that
has
gone
into
this,
and
I
know
it's
been
trust
me.
I
know
it's
been
a
lot
of
years
of
work
that
have
gone
into
this.
To
get
to
this
point,
so
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you've
done.
I
do
think
we
need
to
make
the
clarification
you
talk
about
the
the
vertical
change
in
order
to
transfer.
B
But
I
hope
we
don't
overlook
the
fact
that,
in
my
opinion-
and
maybe
your
ridership
numbers
tell
you
otherwise,
but
in
my
opinion
the
vast
majority
of
folks
wouldn't
be
looking
to
transfer
they're
looking
to
go
to
the
mall
of
america
and
so
to
come
into
the
second
level.
I
think
would
be
the
most
important
point
of
this.
If
it's
at
that
second
level
of
the
parking
ramp,
how
can
we
make
it
most
accessible?
How
can
we
make
it
safest?
B
B
Folks,
riding
the
you
know,
the
the
red
line
from
apple
valley
and
then
transferring
up
to
catch
the
the
streetcar
into
downtown
st
paul.
I
can
certainly
see
that
happening,
but
I
think
the
vast
majority
of
folks
who
would
be
riding
the
riverview
quarter
would
be
folks
coming
from
the
east
side
from
st
paul
to
go
to
the
mall
of
america.
B
F
B
F
Just
to
the
last
point
I
mean,
I
think,
if
I
understand
this
correctly,
this
would
not
only
be
the
riverview
corridor,
but
it
would
also
realign
the
blue
line.
Is
that
accurate?
Because
I
think
to
your
point
mayor
for
the
riverview
corridor
that
makes
sense,
but
for
the
blue
line
and
being
a
commuter
type
situation
for
people
getting
to
work,
I
could
see
a
significant
amount
of
transfers
there,
people
coming
into
that
location
and
then
going
to
work,
downtown
minneapolis
or
something
like
that,
and
am
I
understanding
that
correctly.
F
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
the
one
of
the
things
I
believe
a
while
back
when
we
talked
about
a
water
park.
Potentially
at
this
location,
there
was
a
talk
of
a
tunnel
type
situation
running
through
the
parking
ramp.
Is
that
under
consideration
in
this
option?
Just
so,
people
would
have
that
enclosed
space
to
get
all
the
way
through
or
do
they
just
have
to
walk
through
the
parking
ramp.
H
J
Mr
mayor
council
members,
mr
president,
board
of
three
members,
so
the
concept
of
people
walking
through
the
mall
parking
deck
is
something
that
we've
talked
about
and
we
had
been
in
discussions
with
them
all
about
that.
But
the
current
thinking
is
that
people
would
go
down
into
the
transit
station
that
way
you're
in
a
controlled
environment
down
there.
You
actually
walk
under
the
ring
road
and
up
into
the
mall.
If
you've
made
that
walk
it's
it's
not
it's
not
bad.
J
F
If
I'm
understanding
what
you're
saying
shane
you'd
be
able
to
essentially
stay
pretty
much
inside
during
that
time,
you
wouldn't
just
be
wandering
through
a
parking
ramp
dropped
off
there
and
trying
to
find
your
way.
If
you
want
to
get
into
the
mall
is
that
you
may
have
to
go
up
and
down,
but
you
wouldn't
just
necessarily
go
through
the
ramp.
J
Mr
mr
mayor
and
councilman
nelson
yeah
that
that's
correct
and
that's
why
the
engineering
team
here
has
been
talking
about
covering
that
area
so
that
similar
to
how
you
are
today,
you're
not
inside
it's,
not
climate
controlled.
When
you
get
off
the
blue
line,
bus
but
you're
not
far
and
you're
certainly
covered,
which
is
better
than
you
know,
being
out
in
the
elements
above
24th
avenue,
and
so
this
option
eight's
a
lot
better
than
option
one,
and
you
know,
as
they
stated
we
we
hope
to
continue
to
make
it
better.
J
And
just
you
know,
the
experience
for
transit
users
has
been
top
of
mind
for
for
all
of
us
and
and
this
option
eight
is
supported
by
the
mall
happens
to
be
here
in
the
audience
tonight
and
it's
it's
an
option
that
we
support
as
well.
We've
been
you
know,
striding
in
getting
getting
to
this
point,
because
we
think
it
has
advantages
over
the
way
the
the
trains
are
routed
today
and
as
long
as
we
can
get
that
customer
experience
back
to
something.
That's
what
it
looks
like
today.
F
A
couple
other
questions:
it
would
there
be
any
pedestrian
facilities
with
this,
so
that
people
that
either
live
or
are
staying
in
hotels
to
the
east
of
the
mall
that
want
to
get
there
if
they
didn't
want
to
cross
at
grade
or
wait
for
the
light
or
anything
like
that.
Would
there
be
any
pedestrian
facilities
for
them
to
go
over
the
road.
H
Mayor
bussey
and
councilmember
nelson,
we
will
look
at
pedestrian
connections
in
this
area.
I
know
that's
been
brought
up
as
a
comment
at
one
of
our
engagement
events
about
connecting
to
other
other
businesses
and
residential
areas
in
and
around
the
mall,
but
we
will
look
at
pedestrian
connections
as
to
how
people
can
can
get
to
the
station
from
from
outside
the
mall
from
some
of
those
other
locations.
H
Where
they
went,
they
mayor,
busey
and
councilmember
nelson,
we
did
have
a
number
of
other
options.
I
I
believe
the
other
options
all
followed:
the
blue
line
tracks
around
the
adjoining
lands
and
either
used
the
existing
transit
center
in
some
form
or
fashion
or
were
elevated
over
24th
avenue,
and
there
was
even
an
option.
H
We
looked
at
reconstructing
the
interchange,
I'm
sorry
intersection
at
killebrew
drive
and
24th
avenue
to
bring
the
train
underneath
in
an
effort
to
eliminate
that
that
at-grade
crossing,
where
there
are
a
number
of
emergency
vehicles,
a
lot
of
other
traffic
using
that
intersection
where
you've
got
a
trained
crossing.
Now,
as
you
do
blue
line
every
10
minutes
in
each
direction,
as
grant
said
when
you
double
that
the
gate
down
time
at
that
location
is
more
than
half
of
the
time.
But
it's
just
it's
just
an
untenable
situation
for
traffic.
H
Some
of
the
options
worked
very
well
yet
they're,
very
expensive,
and
all
of
those
options
that
follow
the
blue
line
track
still
had
that
a
lengthier
travel
time
than
the
82nd
street
option
and
as
a
as
a
as
a
transit
user,
a
three
or
four
minute
travel
time
might
not
seem
like
a
big
big
deal.
You
can.
You
can
listen
to
another
song
on
your
on
your
phone
or
something
like
that
that
amount
of
time,
but
but
in
in
transit
planning
and
transit
modeling
a
travel
time
difference
of
three
minutes
going.
H
The
problem
with
that
is
when
you,
when
you
want
to
connect
major
destinations
like
downtown
st
paul
in
the
neighborhoods
to
the
airport,
to
the
mall
and
to
the
stations
in
bloomington
at
these
major
destinations.
When
you,
when
you
force
a
transfer
when
you
stop
that
ride
short
of
that
destination,
force
of
transfer
really
affects
ridership
and
it
and
it
it
just
didn't
it
just
didn't
work
out
well
for
our
numbers
for
ridership
numbers.
C
G
Thank
you,
mr
rudd
helps
I
take
myself
off
from
you
too.
I
just
want
to
comment.
I
I
do
like
the
removal
of
the
the
the
killer,
brew
and
24th
further
up
on
an
elevated
basis
to
80
on
a
second.
I've
been
one
of
those
that
too
many
times,
even
in
this
day
and
still
limited
on-site
client
visits
have
sat
at
that
stoppage
point
at
at
killebrew
and
24th
feeling
like
it's
an
eternity
before
I
can
get
moving
and
going
to
clients
on
the
northeast
part
of
that
south
loop.
H
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
thank
you
for
that
comment.
Even
transit
users
riding
around
the
adjoining
lands,
they
might
feel
like
it's
an
eternity
just
kind
of
crawling
through
that
segment
of
the
blue
line
to
get
to
the
to
get
to
the
mall
of
america
station
and
make
their
transfer
or
to
get
into
their
destination.
H
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Just
a
couple
more
points
of
interest
here:
our
cultural
resources
consultant
team
and
our
communications
community
engagement
consultant
team
have
been
busy
as
well.
Our
cultural
resources
team
is
held
yesterday,
section
106
in
historic
properties.
Virtual
meeting
section
106
is
essentially
a
federal
law
that
requires
projects
like
this
to
take
into
consideration
potential
impacts
to
historic
properties
and
how
we
would
mitigate
how
we
avoid
those
impacts
and
and
what
we
can
do
in
the
project
to
to.
H
That
may
not
be
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
but
yet
they
feel
maybe
a
significant
event
occurred
there
or
or
there's
some
history
there
that
we
should
be
aware
of
and
take
into
account
as
well.
Our
cultural
resources
team
is
developing,
what's
called
a
cultural
landscape
study,
which
is
essentially
it's
a
comprehensive
look
at
the
native
american
history
in
the
area.
H
The
bodote
fort
snelling
area
is
considered
the
birthplace
of
the
dakota
tribes,
so
we're
taking
we've
got
a
collection
right
now
of
smaller
studies
that
were
kind
of
project,
oriented
or
or
maybe
focus
on
a
small
time
in
history.
Our
our
community,
our
cultural
resources
consultant,
is
putting
all
of
that
together
doing
more
research
to
develop
a
more
comprehensive
history
of
of
that
time
period
in
this
area,
and
then
our
our
communications
and
community
engagement
team
they're
also
hard
at
work.
H
H
So
we
we'd
like
to
engage
gage
riders.
There
we'd
like
to
engage
bike
riders
directly
to
as
grant
mentioned,
we
will
be
looking
at
developing
an
ada
compliant.
I
can
peg
frosting
on
the
bridge.
We've
we've
heard
from
a
number
of
people
that
it's
an
important
river
crossing.
There
are
only
so
many
river
crossings
where
you
can.
You
can
cross
on
a
bicycle
or
even
walking.
H
So
this
is
an
important
connection,
as
grant
said,
has
a
number
of
stairs
we're
looking
at
a
bunch
of
different
design
opportunities
and
options
too,
to
eliminate
those
stairs
and
to
yet
preserve
the
the
scenic
view
down
there
up
and
down
the
river
from
that
area
too.
We
can
enhance
that
against
that
experience.
For
the
rider
our
community
advisory
committee
met
in
october,
we've
had
two
meetings.
We
have
a
couple
of
representatives
from
the
bloomington
minneapolis
area
and
our
community
advisory
committee.
Their
role
is
to
advise
the
policy
advisory
committee,
the
decision-making
body.
H
H
A
Mr
mayor,
I
just
want
to
comment
that,
having
used
the
stairs
on
both
sides
of
the
bike,
bicycle
or
both
sides
of
the
mississippi
river,
that
anything
that
can
be
done
on
that
would
be
much
appreciated
and
especially
for
the
older
crowd
that
now
is
going
more
to
e-bikes.
E-Bikes
are
a
lot
harder
to
haul
up
and
down
those
steps
than
regular
lightweight
bikes.
So
whatever
can
be
done,
there
would
be,
I'm
sure,
appreciated
by
many.
B
B
B
J
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
council,
members,
mr
president
and
port
authority
commissioners.
So
tonight
again,
we've
talked
at
the
a
series
of
recent
concurrent
meetings
with
the
port
authority
and
council
about
both
the
water
park
and
the
expo
and
how
to
deliver
those
projects.
And
tonight
we
have
for
consideration
a
letter
of
intent
with
the
triple
five
organization
to
move
both
the
water
park
and
provide
a
site
for
the
expo
move
those
two
projects
forward.
J
So
what
we'll
do
tonight
is
relatively
quickly
review
the
principles
and
objectives
which
you've
seen
many
times
we'll
show
a
parcel
map,
and
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
this
is
text.
There
won't
be
pretty
pictures
like
the
riverview
corridor,
presentation
tonight,
sorry
about
that
I've
never
been
able
to
make
some
of
this
stuff
more
interesting,
but
that
just
is
what
it
is.
So
with
that
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
long
history
on
the
water
park
project
started
back
in
march
of
2018
in
earnest.
J
On
september,
8th,
the
council
in
port
pass
motions
directing
staff
to
work
with
triple
five
to
study
the
private
financing
option
that
would
utilize
2021
legislation
for
the
water
park
project,
and
so
since
then,
we've
been
doing
that
in
earnest
and
then
on
october
13.
The
council
in
port,
passed
a
motion
to
help
bring
expo
to
minnesota
and
with
the
potential
site
for
for
that
project
being
at
the
core
of
it,
the
adjoining
lands
and
then
on
november
10.
We
had
in
part
a
closed
session
and
in
part,
an
open
session.
J
J
J
The
water
park
project
is
on
the
met
center
site,
so
next
to
ikea
north
of
the
mall
of
america
and
the
adjoining
lands
is
31
acres
and
change
just
to
the
east
of
the
mall
and
was
subject
of
the
river
recorder.
So
the
river
corridor
project
again
would
come
along
the
north
side
of
the
adjoining
lands.
Instead
of
going
around
the
east
and
south
sides
in
the
water
park
project
zooming
in
a
bit
on
that
again
to
the
east
of
ikea
and
north
of
the
jw
marriott
project,.
J
So,
in
a
nutshell,
what
this
letter
of
intent
provides
is
a
financing
framework
for
t5
to
go
formally
pursue
the
the
private
markets
for
the
water
park.
So
again,
this
is
different
than
the
non-profit
model,
which
we
had
discussed
up
until
covet
hit.
The
2021
legislation
allows
tiff
to
be
used
more
flexibly
and
we
would
inject
20
30
additional
30
million
dollars
into
the
project,
and
then
we
wouldn't.
We
would
allow
a
tif
loan
to
happen
that
would
provide
about
nine
million
dollars
in
equity
that
exists
on
the
adjoining
land,
so
we'd
free
that
up.
J
If
you
will
and
then
require
that
to
be
used
on
the
water
park
project
so
that
money
stays
in
bloomington
and
in
exchange
for
that,
we
secure
a
course
site
for
expo.
That
is
the
adjoining
lands,
and
so
we
would
have
a
purchase
option
so
that,
if
expo
happens,
if
the
bureau
of
international
exhibitions
votes
to
give
minnesota
and
usa
the
expo,
this
would
be
the
site
for
it.
Now
the
permanent
funding
for
that
expo
site
would
either
come
from
south
loop
development
fund,
the
private
development
community
grants
or
other
funds.
A
Change
just
just
to
interrupt
you
for
for
a
minute.
I
think
just
it's
important
on
this
to
for
any
public
that
are
listening
to
this,
to
to
know
that
all
this
money
that
we're
talking
about
here
is
what
I
will
call
fenced
money.
You
know
it
is
dollars
that
have
to
be
used
exclusively
in
the
south
loop
area
and
so
that
they
are.
They
are
not
something
that
you
would
be
looking
at
as
available
for
for
general
revenue
use
or
other
use.
J
J
During
that
time,
we
were
talking
about
actually
purchasing
and
closing
on
the
adjoining
lands
and
we've
since
been
working
on
a
more
of
an
option,
agreement
that
allows
for
a
purchase
so
instead
of
purchase
and
then
with
some
option
provisions.
We
think
it's
cleaner
to
do
an
option
that
provides
for
a
purchase.
J
The
money
is
basically
the
same
and
the
goals
are
basically
the
same,
but
this
is
a
bit
cleaner
than
actually
going
through
a
purchase
and
then,
if
expo
doesn't
happen
for
some
reason,
t5
buys
the
land
back.
We
transact
the
land
potentially.
If
we
don't
actually
need
to
do
that,
and
so
the
letter
of
intent,
that's
included
with
the
packet
and
then
we'll
go
through
tonight,
is
an
option
to
purchase
instead
of
a
purchase
with
some
reversionary
interests.
J
J
We'd
provide
the
mall
or
t5
as
tif
loan,
and
the
amount
is
going
to
be
the
city.
Slash,
hennepin
county
assessed
value
minus
the
any
mortgage
amount
and
mortgage
breakage
fees.
Now
the
breakage
fees
might
not
be
applicable
because
triple
five
is
going
to
close
and
we
would
time
a
an
actual
closing
up
with
the
expiration
of
their
mortgage.
J
J
And
then
the
ultimate
land
price
is
somewhere
between
the
bloomington,
slash,
hennepin,
county
assessed
value
and
a
mortgage
that
triple
fives
lender
is
currently
has
completed
and
we
are
getting
a
copy
of
it.
It's
somewhere
in
the
mid
30
million
dollar
range,
so
it's
roughly
10
million
or
so
higher
than
the
bloomington
assessed
value,
and
so
the
site
cost
would
be
different
depending
on
who
does
the
developing.
J
And
so,
if
the
site's
developed
by
a
third
party
triple
five
would
be
ultimately
selling
that
to
basically
not
the
city
and
not
the
port
authority
and
so
triple
five's
intent.
I
don't
speak
for
them
too
much
kurt
hagan's
here
you
can
speak
for
them,
but
I
mean
they
bought
this
land
so
that
they
can
control
it
they're
supporters
of
the
expo.
J
They
want
the
water
park
to
get
done
and
but
ultimately
they
they
like
controlling
the
land
next
to
their
property,
that's
a
big
goal
of
theirs,
and
so,
if
they're
selling
it
to
a
third-party
developer,
it's
a
little
bit
more
like
a
market
sale
than
it
is.
If
they're
selling
it
to
us.
So
in
b
dot
I
versus
b
dot.
Double
I,
the
price
is
different,
so
if
you
look
at
v
dot
double
I
so
if
we
buy
it,
the
city
and
the
port
manage
the
development.
J
J
Okay,
I'll
keep
moving
so
and
in
the
event
that
expo
is
not
selected
for
minnesota.
T5
would,
through
this
through.
This
agreement,
commit
to
repaying
the
tif
loan
within
four
years
of
the
vote,
and
so
they
pay
it
back
all
as
well.
If
they
don't
pay
it
back.
The
security
is
a
purchase
option
granted
to
the
port,
which
allows
us
to
buy
the
rest
of
the
land
for
the
difference
between
the
tif
loan
and
the
remaining
value.
So
we
basically
buy
the
land
using
mall
tiff
for
the
bloomington
assessed
value.
J
So
we
end
up
paying
27
and
a
half
for
the
land.
T5
doesn't
have
the
land
and
then
there's
some
some
provisions
in
here
that
that
are
more
city-centric.
If
you
will
on
what
happens
to
the
tiff
and
what
the
resale
price
is,
and
that
type
of
thing-
and
I
know
t5-
has
no
intent
of
letting
this
happen,
because
this
outcome
isn't
good
for
them
and-
and
I
know
that
they
they
want
to
pay
this
loan
back
and
continue
to
control
the
land.
If
expo
doesn't
happen,.
J
J
Other
provisions
so
currently
there's
some
entitlement
required
parking
on
the
adjoining
lands
on
this
parcel.
That's
required
for
the
mall
of
america.
We'd
wait
till
the
latest
possible
waypoint
to
actually
build
those
into
a
parking
ramp
that
would
get
built
next
to
the
water
park.
But
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
timing
challenge
with
this
particular
provision
because
of
when
the
bie
vote
might
be
when
the
water
park
might
close
financing
and
that
type
of
thing.
But
the
point
here
is
that
we
would
have
to
to
provide
that
parking.
Someplace.
J
And
then
item
five
is
a
deed
restriction
or
an
agreement
we're
still
working
on
this.
Both
this
exhibit
and
the
mechanism
about
what
land
use
restrictions
there
would
be
on
the
adjoining
lands
and
and
we're
close
we've
been
negotiating
that
all
throughout
the
week
and
even
up
to
right
before
this
meeting,
it's
not
quite
ready.
It
needs
a
little
bit
more
work,
but
we're
very
close
to
to
getting
that
that
tied
down.
J
J
And
the
tif
loan
proceeds
would
be
dedicated
to
the
water
park
they
get
drawn
on
a
monthly
basis
and
then,
if,
for
some
reason,
the
water
park
stops,
you
know
that
tiflone
is
reduced
to
whatever's
been
paid.
So
if
we,
you
know
if
we
advance
four
million
dollars,
the
tif
loans,
four
million
and
then
of
course,
t5
has
to
pay
back
that
that
four
million.
J
And
eight
is
basically
a
and
you
know
state
auditor
slash
statute
provision.
You
know
if
we
sell
the
land
and
get
land
sale
proceeds.
Of
course,
that
would
be
the
intent
once
a
dollar
is
tough
to
buy
land.
If
you
sell
the
land,
you
have
to
put
that
back
into
tiff.
So
it's
like
a
think
about
it,
as
one
stiff
always
stiff.
J
J
We
would
not
have
that
upside
on
this
30
million.
Nor
would
we
have
it
on
on
the
other
portion
that
we
had
potentially
invested
in
in
the
parking
infrastructure.
So
there's
another
73
million
again
we'd
have
those
same
recapture
provisions.
The
agreement
work
would
work
the
same
way
except
for
there's
no
buffer
above
the
baseline
performa.
J
This
this
arrangement
has
some
other
benefits
to
the
south
development
fund.
The
south
loop
development
fund
has
paid
about
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
water
park
design
and
on
closing
that
money
would
get
paid
out
to
the
south
development
fund,
so
it
has
a
benefit
to
that
fund
and
then
the
development
fee
for
these
public
improvements
would
be
below
market.
If
you
will
at
one
percent
instead
of
what
a
lot
of
times
is
three,
sometimes
five,
sometimes
ten
on
affordable
housing
projects.
J
J
And
then
benefits
the
city
so
that
you've
seen
this
before,
but
I'll
go
through
it
again.
You
know
the
water
park
is
a
recreational
amenity
to
the
city,
and
the
region
certainly
helps
with
the
resiliency
for
south
loop.
We
all
know
mall
is
ten
percent
of
the
city's
tax
pace
and
the
hotels
are
another.
Six
and
a
half,
roughly
speaking,
and
the
admissions
taxes
and
lodging
taxes
generated
by
the
project
are
substantial.
J
There
are
some
risks,
of
course,
with
the
non-profit
model.
Some
of
those
go
away.
Certainly
low
performance
of
the
water
park
is
always
a
risk.
What
would
happen
if
that
project
defaults
is
a
little
bit
different
in
the
nonprofit
model
versus
this
model
we're
further
away
from
the
project
in
the
privately
financed
model?
So
it's
a
little
bit
better
from
that
perspective,
reputation.
We're
still
involved
in
the
project
if
it's
privately
financed,
but
nobody
wants
a
project
that
that
fails
in
its
city.
We
don't
think
it
will,
but
that's
always
something.
J
That's
that's
a
possibility.
Ownership
changes
at
the
mall
are
always
something
that
we
think
about.
They've
weathered
the
covet
storm
pretty
well
in
our
backup.
I've
heard
some
anecdotal
reports
that
black
friday
was
extremely
busy
out
there,
and
our
traffic
and
parking
counters
have
showed
that
they're
coming
back.
People
are
there's
pent
up
demand
for
for
leisure,
in
recreation,
that's
for
sure
small
performance
decline.
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
one
of
the
things
that
the
water
park
can
actually
help
with
to
provide
some
resiliency
to
the
project.
J
Somehow
you
know
recovering
the
30
million
dollars
in
tiff.
I
call
it
equity
here,
it's
it's.
A
little
bit
doesn't
function
as
equity,
but
recovery.
That
money
is,
you
know,
probably
not
coming
back.
I
mean
the
performance.
Is
the
performer,
that's
how
we
think
it's
going
to
perform,
but
you
never
know
and
that's
why
we
have
recapture
provisions.
J
A
Shane,
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment
more
based
upon
several
of
the
meetings
that
we've
had
with
triple
five
management,
and
that
is
that
the
they
to
my
understanding,
their
their
management,
turnover
or
changeover
between
generations
is
well
underway
and
they
have
given
that
some
thoughtful
consideration
and
I
think
the
next
generation
is-
is
moving
into
a
position
of
authority.
So
I
think,
from
my
standpoint
that
was
important
to
hear
and
kurt
hagan
may
want
to
comment
more
on
that,
but
again
that
that
has
been
something
that
has
concerned
me
in
the
past.
J
J
You
know
the
mall
is
a
very
successful
project.
Canada
is
successful
too.
American
dream
probably
will
be,
but
that
that
project
has
had
a
lot
of
bad
luck
and
you
know
kobet
is,
is
you
know
continuing
to
challenge
that
project?
But
the
mall
of
america
is
a
is
a
strong
asset
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we,
you
know
dug
into
and
learned
a
lot
about,
especially
in
2020,
which
is
a
challenging
year
for
for
everybody.
J
A
G
So
it's
good
to
hear
from
both
of
you
and
I
think,
mayor,
busty
and
and
and
jamie
as
well,
that
some
of
the
com,
the
discussions,
are
taking
a
more
positive
stance
than
what
they
may
have
been
at
times
in
the
past,
but
hearing
that
the
vision
is
being
articulated
and-
and
that's
been,
my
ongoing
concern
is-
is
really
the
willingness
to
adhere
to
the
agreements
and
what's
stated
to
us
and
that
they
continue
and
see
that
value
and
the
need
and
being
good
partners
with
us
too.
As
well,.
G
J
E
J
J
J
They
operate
one
heck
of
a
facility
and
they
drive
a
lot
of
people
to
the
city
of
bloomington
and
they
put
bloomington
on
the
map
in
some
ways,
and
that's
that's
been
very
good
for
us,
but
the
project
needs
to
continue
to
evolve
in
order
to
stay
fresh
and
I
think
that's
the
biggest
risk
of
not
doing
anything.
If
you
don't
do
this,
I
don't
think
any
of
us
want
to
see
any
more
retail
out
there.
J
The
office
segment
is
going
to
be
very
slow
for
a
while,
I
think,
that's
a
general
consensus,
and
so
what
segments
of
development
do
you
do
or
do
you
do
nothing?
I
think
the
boards
have
generally
said
they
want.
You
know
that
that's
what
the
port
authority's
mission
is
is
to
get
south
loop
developed
and
we've
been
doing
that
and
it's
been
very
successful
in
the
past
10
years
or
so.
J
J
You
know
the
project
out,
not
because
we
have
an
interest
in
making
sure
the
germasian
family
makes
any
more
money,
but
because
we
have
a
relatively
selfish
interest
in
making
sure
that
our
property
tax
base
is
as
stable
as
possible
and
one
of
the
ways
to
do
that
is
to
continue
to
add
entertainment
and
things
out
there.
That
brings
money
into
the
city's
coffers,
and
so
I
think
that's
the
risk
of
not
doing
the
project,
and
if
mr
hagan
wants
to
speak
for
triple
five
be
happy
to
do
that.
I
I
We
need
to
take
it
to
more
of
an
entertainment
model
as
shane
and
and
the
mayor
and
the
port
president
city
manager
came
out,
saw
our
project.
Thank
you
for
that
last
month.
The
power
of
of
entertainment
projects
such
as
this
water
park.
What
it
does
for
our
project
is
one
thing
from
a
selfish
perspective,
driving
traffic
and
and
tourism
to
mall
of
america
for
our
retailers,
what
it
does
for
the
city
and
and
heads
in
the
beds
as
shane
articulated,
is
another.
I
This
water
park
project,
as
we've
talked
about
now,
for
for
over
three
years,
it
will
draw
at
900
000
people
a
year,
almost
40
percent
of
which
will
be
tourists.
Staying
in
hotels,
a
large
portion
of
those.
Obviously,
in
bloomington
hotels,
it
will
spur
further
development.
It
will
spur
a
water
park
hotel
that
will
support
the
water
park,
but
again
driving
taxes
to
the
city
of
bloomington,
not
only
in
the
form
of
admissions
taxes,
but
the
water
park
and
the
lodging
taxes
as
well.
I
We
think
it's
critical
that
we
move
forward
with
projects
like
this.
The
alternatives
are
not
bright.
Right
now,
as
is
agree
with
shane,
the
office
market
is,
is
strange
right
now
the
hospitality
market
is
strained,
but
for
adding
a
demand
driver
like
like
a
water
park
that
would
allow
that
to
move
forward.
I
I
A
B
J
J
Yeah,
so
I
think
the
risks
of
doing
this
are
you
know
again
it's
a
different
profile
from
the
non-profit
model.
Again,
we've
stress
tested
the
nonprofit
model
during
the
pandemic.
Of
course,
we
talked
a
lot
about
that
with
the
financing
partners
and
others,
you
know,
would
the
city
been
at
risk
during
the
nonprofit
model
and
the
answer
is
no.
J
J
I
think
the
worst
case
scenario
that
I
can
think
of
is
the
project
doesn't
perform
the
way
that
it's
projected
to
perform,
and
in
that
scenario
the
city
has
invested
in
parking.
It
has
invested
additional
monies
into
the
project
that
30
million
in
tiff,
and
in
that
scenario,
where
that
project
doesn't
perform
still,
the
city
has
no
obligation
in
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
ways,
especially
you
know.
After
this,
this
2021
authorization
expires.
J
J
It
just
maybe
gets
100
000
fewer
people
than
projected,
and
maybe
they
don't
pay
100
of
what
was
projected.
Maybe
they
only
get
80
of
the
ticket
price
and
you
combine
those
two
things:
there's
still
a
substantial
amount
of
money
coming
into
the
project
every
year,
and
then
the
debt
would
reset
they
would
go
through
a
default
scenario.
J
You
know
they
have
problems
at
that
point
and
there's
lots
of
different.
You
know
angles
of
if
you're,
an
equity
debt
holder,
if
you're
a
mes
debt
holder,
mezzanine
debt
holder,
which
is
kind
of
secondary
to
equity
and
then
there's
the
regular
debt.
Those
are
complicated
workouts
when
that
happens,
but
they
don't
really
involve
the
city
on
a
private
financing
deal,
there's
nothing
to
say
that
you
know
that
entity
couldn't
come,
ask
the
city
for
assistance,
but
there's
certainly
no
obligation
for
the
city
to
do
anything.
J
Really
I
mean
you've
got
fenced
money
that
can
only
be
used
for
these
types
of
things,
and
you
know:
we've
been
studying
this
and
we've
outlined
the
benefits
and
so
yeah
there's
reputational
risk,
as
I
mentioned
in
that
one
slide,
and
things
like
that.
But
there's
very
limited,
like
actual
financial
risk.
B
So
the
financial
risk
would
be
on
on
the
the
private
developers
triple
five,
not
coming
back
to
the
city
of
bloomington,
the
city
of
bloomington
taxpayers
right
and
at
the
same
time,
in
your
scenario.
If,
for
example,
there
are
100
000
people
short
of
their
projections,
that's
still
800
000
people
who
have
visited
bloomington,
those
associated
heads
in
beds,
eating
in
restaurants,
enjoying
the
mall
of
america
spending
money
elsewhere,
it's
just
not
to
the
level
we
were
expecting.
A
I
think
it's
also
helpful
to
point
out
that
the
mall
of
america
has
had
a
lot
of
water
project,
yet
there
wasn't
a
mall
for
20
some
years
and
that
has
continued
to
maintain
its
viability
and
attract
people
to
come
and
use
it.
So
again,
this
is
not
something
that
would
be
a
completely
new
project,
it's
new
for
bloomington,
certainly,
but
it's
it's
not
new
in
the
sense
that
it
hasn't
been
done
before
in
a
market
with
some
similar
areas
of
the
twin
cities.
G
A
G
I
Mr
higgins,
yes,
mr
mayor
council,
member
support
president
commissioners,
commissioner
hunt.
Yes,
we
consider
tourists,
as
does
in
the
hotel
feasibility
study,
that
that
we
commissioned
actually
come
in
in
this
case,
for
the
feasibility
study
that
was
done,
people
that
are
actually
renting
a
hotel
room
night.
Well,
they
they
have
a
there's,
a
projection
of
actual
hotel
room
nights.
I
think
it
ranged
between
the
two
feasibilities
consultants
that
we
had
between
60
000
room
nights
a
year
and
90
000
room
nights
a
year.
I
G
I
I
We
had
projected
before
that
project
opened.
We
had
projected-
and
this
is
a
new
york
city
market
for
those
of
you
that
aren't
familiar
with
it.
It's
eight
and
a
half
miles
from
times
square
on
the
new
jersey
side
of
the
river
we
had
projected
the
ticket
price
in
at
that
project
would
be
68
on
average
right,
you've
got
peak
days,
non-peak
days,
military
discounts,
kids
blend
them
all
together.
We
thought
it
would
be
68
to
date
for
2021
we're
at
99.
I
So
it's
it's
performed
considerably
better
in
terms
of
ticket
price
than
we
had
thought.
Attendance
has
been
lower
right
first
quarter
of
the
year,
it
was
under
covered
restrictions,
so
we'll
end
the
year
down,
probably
about
30
percent
on
attendance,
but
actually
on
par
with
the
revenues
that
we
had
projected
because
of
the
higher
ticket
price.
I
It
is
our
belief.
Ticket
price
here
will
be,
we
won't
be
99,
we're
not
going
to
get
we're.
Not
new
york
city
market
it'll
be
considerably
less
than
that,
but
we
believe
it's
considerably
more
than
was
in
the
feasibility
study
that
the
city
and
the
port
had
commissioned.
I
believe
they're
projected
average
ticket
price
was
38
for
year.
One.
G
G
I
I
A
C
I
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry
and
and
and
council
member
or
or
commissioner,
I'm
I'm
not
sure
whether
the
the
the
question
but
the
you
know
we,
we
haven't
really
discussed
that.
I
think
we
were
certainly
open
to
that.
We
haven't
got
that
level
of
detail.
I
think
from
a
total
revenue
standpoint
it
it's
it's
it's
not
a
needle
mover.
So
I
think
that's
something.
We're
certainly
happy
to
talk
about
with
with
council
and
port
and
with
staff.
B
I
think
so,
mr
president,
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
appreciate
the
work
that
has
gone
into
this
and
the
level
of
detail
that
shane
was
able
to
provide
with
us
tonight
and
it
it's
straightforward.
But
it's
a
lot.
It's
a
lot
of
information,
so
I
really
do
encourage
you.
If
you've
got
questions
on
this,
please
do
speak
up
now,
because
this
I
mean
there's
a
there's
a
lot
going
on
here,
as
president
erickson
mentioned.
B
F
Thank
you
mayor
and
mr
hagan.
I've
got
a
question
for
you
and
I'm
not
necessarily
looking
for
an
answer
today,
and
I
know
that
we've
talked
about
this,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
am
particularly
interested
in,
and
I
know
that
councilmember
carter
and
councilmember
borga
brought
this
up
in
the
past
as
well
is
around
the
idea
of
sustainability.
F
I
Sure,
mr
mayor
and
council
member
lowmans
yeah,
I
can't
give
you
the
specifics
on
those
now.
I
can
tell
you
that
when
we
were
previously
looking
at
this
under
the
non-profit
model
with
the
city
and
the
port,
we
had
met
actually
with
the
the
president
of
of
lead
came
to
town
and
we
met
with
them
and,
and
it
was
their
goal,
and
we
and
our
goal
to
make
this
the
first
leed
certified
water
park
in
the
country
that
that's
still
our
goal.
I
There
was
an
incredible
amount
of
thought
put
into
what
we
could
do
to
make
this
project
sustainable
or
as
sustainable
as
possible,
including
gray,
water
recapture
and,
and
we
had
incorporated
those
are
incorporated
in
the
design.
The
design
has
not
changed.
We
tend
to
move
forward
with
the
same
design
that
we
had
previously
under
the
non-profit
model,
so
it
is
for
a
for
a
water
park.
It
is
a
very
sustainable
model,
a
very
efficient
model,
considerably
more
so
than
the
project
that
we
have.
I
F
Yeah,
I
think
the
second
one
is
kind
of
you
know
long-term.
You
know
I
mean
certainly
we've
seen
in
each
iteration,
which
you
just
laid
out.
You
know
the
improvement,
but
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
is
you
know
how
do
we
you
know?
Is
there
going
to
be
a
process
by
which,
in
terms
of
redeveloping
it,
in
terms
of
trying
to
continue
to
seek
that
on
a
long-term
basis
of
trying
to
improve?
You
know
this
particular
project
in
terms
of
that
sustainability,
trying
to
press
that
as
much
as
we
possibly
can?
F
I
Yes
and
mr
mayor
and
councilmember
lowman
yeah,
obviously
don't
have
specifics
today
and
what
we
plan
on
changing
the
long
term
of
the
water
park,
but
I
think
you
know
you've
seen
what
we've
done
at
mall
of
america.
We
take
sustainability
very
seriously.
As
we've
we've
talked
about
before
most
people
don't
realize
shopping,
mall
concept
like
mall
america,
inherently,
is
actually
a
very
efficient
project
right.
I
We
partnered
with
you
or
you.
You
helped
us
on
the
led
light
right
lighting
right
through
all
the
the
parking
decks
you've
seen
what
we've
done
throughout
the
entire
project.
So
we
just
that's
part
of
our
dna.
It's
not
only
good
for
us
good
for
the
community,
it's
good
for
our
electrical
consumption
and
our
utility
costs
to
drive
those
down
as
best
as
we
can.
I
A
E
E
B
B
J
Commissioner
lens,
I
I
think
your
question
related
to
the
minimum
site
size
for
the
expo,
and
the
answer
to
that
is:
if
that's
the
question
you
can
confirm
or
not,
but
the
answer
is
yes,
that
that
adjoining
lands
as
a
site
for
the
expo
is
is
big
enough.
It's
not
the
full
62
acres
that
is
a
maximum
size
for
one
of
these
expos
that
ends
in
a
year.
That's
not
zero
or
five.
It's
not
one
of
the
huge
expos
did
that
answer
your
question,
commissioner.
E
C
B
B
E
C
C
K
C
A
A
G
I
am,
I
am
not
a
supporter
as
yet
fully
of
the
the
water
park
for
several
reasons
that
I've
voiced
in
the
past,
but
the
I
don't
see
it
as
being
something
that
the
market
supports.
Clearly
I
haven't
seen
the
feasibility
studies
and
so
forth,
and
the
cost
is
of
great
concern
for
our
citizens,
that
of
bloomington
so,
but
I
will
go
ahead
in
support
of
the
letter
of
intent,
discussion.
C
K
C
E
I'd
like
to
comment-
hopefully
this
will
get
through
I'm
terribly
torn
by
this,
because
I'm
a
strong
believer
would
love
to
see
the
expo
come.
I
have
many
doubts
yet
on
the
water
park.
I
hate
to
see
the
dedication
of
that
much
land
to
it.
For
one
thing,
I'm
not
sure
that
it
meets
the
long-term
vision
of
what
the
south
blue
mall
of
america
was
to
be
as
a
third
twin
city,
business
center
call
it,
and
I
feel
I
do-
and
I
will
admit
I
feel
very
presumptuous.
E
For
that-
and
I
understand
it's
their
land-
and
I
believe
me-
I
know
property
rights
so
with
great
great
reserve,
I'm
going
to
vote
for
it
at
this
point
and
understood
the
understanding
that
voting
for
this
is
a
you
know,
is
a
tacit
approval
of
of
the
water
park,
but
I'm
doing
it
in
pursuit
of
getting
the
expo.
That's
that's
the
primary
driving
force
for
me,
so
I
will
vote.
I.
K
I
I
need
to
interject
at
this
point
and
I
hate
to
be
rude,
but
I
would
ask
our
council
to
let
us
know
if
a
simple,
yea
or
nay
is
the
only
thing.
That's
appropriate
this
time.
I
appreciate
everybody's
comments,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
this
motion
requires
a
vote
that
is,
is
unambiguous
and
and
notwithstanding
everybody's
concerns
that
we
have
a
clear
unconditional.
E
A
C
C
K
So
I
I
again
it
concerns
me
that
a
vote
that
isn't
simply
up
or
down
is
creates
ambiguity
about
the
validity
of
the
vote,
and
I
I'm
sorry
to
be
a
pain
about
this.
But
but
this
is
the
lawyer
in
me
coming
out
here,
and
the
consequences
of
the
ambiguity
is
is
beyond
me,
but
it
seems
to
me
we're
voting
to
approve
here
rather
than
the
the
votes
we've
had
recently,
which
is
to
to
support
the
city
council's
responsibility.