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Description
Bloomington Minnesota City Council/Port Authority Concurrent Meeting
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C
A
D
Good
evening
I'll
take
care
of
it
carolyn
good
evening.
Everyone
this
is,
I'm
called
calling
to
order
the
city
council
portion
of
the
city,
council
and
port
authority
joint
meeting
this
evening.
D
A
D
B
B
A
B
F
D
Very
good
on
our
agenda
this
evening,
we've
got
one
item
of
new
business:
the
mall
of
america
update
and
hospitality
project
funding.
I
know
we've
got
a
number
of
folks
a
number
of
presentations.
D
But
if,
with
your
approval,
mr
president,
I
think
we
should
turn
it
over
to
mr
rudlang
from
the
port
authority,
and
I
have
him
lead
us
through
this.
B
F
Away
you,
mr
mayor
council,
members,
president
erickson
and
port
authority
members,
so
tonight
we're
here
to
talk
about
a
number
of
things
related
to
the
hospitality
industry
and
mall
of
america,
and
so
it's
been
a
few
years
since
we've
kind
of
gone
through
the
mall
project
yeah
in
general.
So
I'm
gonna
do
just
kind
of
a
short
history
of
the
mall,
which
is
also
included
in
the
agenda
materials,
we'll
talk
about
tiff
and
the
financial
impact
of
the
mall,
the
hotels
and
alcove.
F
It
is
all
worked
into
that
we'll
talk
about
diversification
through
doing
projects
that
aren't
the
mall
and
aren't
hotels
in
salt
loop
and
generally,
and
then
we've
got
some
folks
from
the
mall
of
america.
Kurt
hagen
and
joe
renslow
and
they'll
give
them
all
a
triple
five
update
generally
and
then
the
council
on
court
will
consider
action
related
to
amending
the
city's
legislative
policy
to
help
deliver
projects
that
drive
on
hospitality.
F
Excuse
me
so
with
that
we'll
just
get
right
into
it,
and
so
back
in
the
day,
the
site
of
the
met
center
and
the
met
stadium
were
home
to
the
north
star
hockey
team.
The
minnesota
twins
and
the
minnesota
vikings
and
in
the
late
70s
and
early
80s,
those
teams
made
a
move
to
other
locations
in
the
metro
which
left
a
number
of
sites
available
in,
what's
now
called
south
loop,
which
is
then
called
airport
south
to
to
redevelop
and
there's
a
lot
of
process
between
the
port
authority
and
the
council.
F
You
know
bob
erickson
was
part
of
that.
Maybe
one
of
the
only
folks
on
the
port
authority,
I
know
port
commissioner
hunt
was
on
the
planning
commission.
When
this
went
through
and
a
lot
of
process
back,
then,
ultimately,
it
ended
up
being
decided
that
they
were
gonna,
build
the
mall
of
america,
and
that
was
a
consortium
of
the
port
and
the
city
and
triple
five
with
the
concept
for
the
mall
of
america.
F
Simon
property
groups
was
the
managing
entity
and
craft
for
the
teachers.
Retirement
accounts
was
the
financial
entity
that
backstopped
the
majority
of
the
debt
for
the
project
and
the
mall
was
built
and
in
1992
the
project
opened
with
71
occupancy
and
330
stores,
and
there
was
a
recession
happening
at
the
time,
but
the
mall
project
has
turned
out
to
be
very
successful
phase,
one
building
with
the
four
anchors,
two
of
which
are
now
closed
and
looking
to
be
repurposed
into
other
things
and
the
tif
and
the
liquor
and
lodging
funding
built.
F
F
There
was
some
lawsuits
between
the
ownership
entities
which
ended
up
in
2006
with
triple
five
becoming
the
sole
owner
of
the
mall
and
teachers
and
simon
exiting
the
project
and
soon
after
that,
iq
was
built
and
then
in
2011
we
started
a
couple
of
other
projects
with
radisson,
blue
and
then
in
2013,
14
and
15.
We
did
the
phase
1c
project,
which
was
the
jw
marriott
the
office
building
and
the
additional
retail,
and
in
16
there
was
a
new
redevelopment
contract.
F
That
was
executed
and
I'll
go
into
that
here
in
a
little
bit
so
radism
blue
on
the
south
side
of
the
mall
fancy
pictures
of
that
and
then
the
jw
marriott
on
the
north
side
with
the
office
and
other
retail.
F
F
And
then
objectives
for
doing
the
master
contract
redo
in
2016
and
again
I
won't
go
through
those
either
in
each
one,
except
for
maybe
pointing
out
bullet
two
that
you
know.
One
of
the
key
things
was
to
support
the
long-term
viability
of
the
mall,
which
of
course
has
been
really
impacted
by
kobit.
F
So
this
is
what
it
looks
like
today
from
from
the
from
the
air
base,
1c
in
the
north
radisable
in
the
south
and
ikea
at
center
site
to
the
north,
looking
to
be
redeveloped
parking
lot
today
and
adjoining
lands
to
the
east
and
in
the
2000s.
Of
course,
the
pandemic
over
the
last
year
has
been
extremely
challenging
for
the
city
and
the
mall
and
lots
of
other
folks
for
lots
of
reasons,
and
you
know
into
the
future,
for
2021
and
beyond.
F
What
the
future
may
hold,
we
don't
know
today,
but
we
know
we're
going
to
develop
that
land
north
of
the
mall
and
what
that
ends
up
becoming
is
is
something
that
changes
and
I
don't
even
want
to
say
how
many
plans
that
I've
seen-
and
I
know
folks
from
the
mall-
are
on
the
line
too,
how
many
plans
different
plans
have
been
developed
for
that
site
through
the
years,
dozens,
maybe
more
than
dozens.
F
F
So
the
tip
districts
that
were
that
existed
for
the
traditional
collection
of
tiff
on
small
phase,
one
and
phase
two
sites
met
center
and
and
city
and
properties
ended
in
2016
and
18.,
and
that's
they're
still
technically
open
for
this
tip
that
was
created
out
of
the
2013
legislation,
but
for
the
traditional
collection
of
tiff,
those
districts
are
not
decertified,
they
just
stopped
collecting
regulative
and
now
they
collect
the
tip
that
was
created
out
of
2013..
F
2013
was
also
also
the
approval
of
the
south
loop
district
plan,
which
was
you
know,
acknowledging
of
the
mall's
importance
to
the
district,
but
really
focused
on
trying
to
do
things
outside
of
the
mall,
in
particular
the
bloomington
central
station
development
and
then
expanding
on
that
bloomington
central
station
model
of
grid
streets,
mixed
use,
transitory
into
development,
which
we're
really
seeing
an
uptick.
Now
in
the
past
couple
of
years,
even
during
colby,
it's
been
the
one
development
bright
spot
during
kobe
for
sure.
F
F
It's
about
10
percent
of
the
city's
tax
base.
There's
lots
of
different
ways
to
measure
that
number
we've
got
46
to
48
hotels
in
town.
The
difference
there
is
how
you
measure
the
dual
branded
hotels.
I
just
call
it
47
and
the
hotels
are
about
seven
percent
of
the
tax
base,
so
collectively
it's
about
17
percent
of
the
tax
base
on
just
the
property
tax
side,
the
general
fund
levy
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways.
F
We
can
measure
the
general
fund
versus
the
levy
versus
the
budget
versus
the
general
fund
levy
portion
of
the
levy,
but
just
it's
in
the
54.
You
know
you
can
even
measure
it
up
to
80
million
dollars,
but
it's
in
that
range
and
lodging
and
admission
taxes
that
go
to
the
city's
general
fund
are
about
10
million
annually,
and
you
can
see
you
know
if
the
city
had
to
levy
an
additional
10
million
dollars
to
provide
the
same
services
that
we
provide
today.
F
It
does
not
consider
the
liquor
lodging
taxes,
which
are
certainly
an
add
to
the
city's
budget,
but
also
doesn't
consider
the
cost
of
city
services.
Obviously
having
projects
built,
you
know,
provide
new
taxes
in
the
form
of
property
taxes
to
the
city's
coffers,
but
they
also
cost
the
real
ad.
The
real
plus
up
that
bloomington
has
benefited
from
for
a
long
time
are
the
lodging
and
admission
taxes
and
that's
something
that
a
lot
of
cities
don't
have
and
a
lot
of
cities
would
love
to
have.
F
Frankly,
we
also
fund
about
1.5
to
2
million
dollars
out
of
the
southwest
development
fund.
That's
the
liquor
and
lodging
money
that
subsidize
certain
city
services
which
are
allowed
that
the
general
fund
doesn't
have
to
pay
for.
So
you
could
easily
justify
about
another
million
and
a
half
of
benefit
to
the
general
fund
because
of
the
liquor
and
lodging
taxes.
F
On
the
residential
side,
the
effects
of
values
in
bloomington
are
more
are
felt
more
directly
because,
roughly
speaking,
it's
about
a
third
or
third
third
between
the
county,
the
city
and
the
school
district.
F
There
are
other
agencies,
the
mosquito
control
district
and
other
things
like
that
that
make
up
the
property
tax
bill.
But
when
a
project
is
in
tiff,
all
those
entities
are
are
collected
with
the
exception
of
part
of
the
bloomington
school
district
tax
because-
and
I
won't
go
into
nor
do
I
norm.
Nor
am
I
an
expert
on
how
the
property
tax
and
school
funding
works.
F
So
I
won't
go
there,
but
on
the
commercial
side,
it's
a
little
bit
more
diluted
and
the
benefit
of
commercial
projects
is
a
little
bit
more
diluted
to
the
bloomington
tax
base.
Because
of
how
the
property
tax
dollars
been
split
on
commercial,
with
about
30
percent,
going
to
fiscal
disparities
on
22
going
to
the
state
general
and
then
another
15,
15
15
ish,
going
to
the
three
locals
with
four
percent
going
to
other
agencies,
and
so
when
a
project
like
the
mall
comes
out
of
tiff
as
it
did
back
in
2016.
F
It's
felt
significantly
in
some
ways
and
also
not
significantly
in
other
ways.
In
2016,
when
the
project
came
out
of
tiff
lots
of
people's
taxes
were
maybe
flat
to
down
a
couple
of
percent,
even
though
the
levy
was
increased
that
year,
but
it
went
out
of
tiff
with
without
a
lot
of
fanfare.
Frankly,
on
the
hotel
side,
bloomington
is
edging
up
to
10
000
rooms
in
town.
F
But
again
these
things
are
are
really
nice
to
have
ads
that
lots
of
cities
would
would
love
to
have,
but
we
all
recognize,
especially
during
the
pandemic,
the
reliance
that
we
have
on
these
funds
when
they
they
don't
aren't
there
anymore
and
in
2019
you
had
about
8.6
million
dollars
in
lodging
tax
to
the
general
fund,
those
of
the
blue
bars
there
in
the
month.
Excuse
me
and
the
pandemic
in
orange.
You
know
just
devastating
to
those
businesses
in
town.
F
Obviously
there
was
an
impact
to
these
budget
which
we
all
live
through
and
the
gray
bar
is
the
percent
of
2019.,
so
we're
hovering
over
the
past
six
months
that
call
it
30
percent
of
revenue
and
while
we
don't
share
the
specific
hotel
data
per
hotel,
but
in
mass
obviously
that's
a
huge
impact
to
the
hospitality
industry
to
be
at
30
percent
of
revenue.
So
that's
not
counting
expenses,
that's
not
profit,
that's
just
30
of
revenue,
which
of
course,
is
really
really
tough
on
those
businesses
admissions
taxes.
F
Most
of
this
tax
is
generated
at
the
mall.
In
fact
it's
high
90s
percent,
and
so
you
know
when
the
mall
was
closed.
You
know
at
the
depths
of
the
pandemic
and
q2
of
2020,
there
was
practically
zero
admissions
tax
and
that's
been
limited
in
in
large
part,
due
to
the
governor's
restrictions
on
occupancy
in
nickelodeon
park
and
other
other
venues,
and
so
that
that's
been
really
impacted
and
we'll
get
january
and
february
numbers
here
pretty
quickly,
but
that
data
always
lags
a
bit
and
then
you've
seen
this
before
too.
F
But
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
why
bloomington's
taxes
are
on
the
low
end
of
the
scale
is
due
to
the
fact
that
we
have
this
ad
in
our
budget.
The
liquor
lodging
and
admissions
taxes
that
that
go
to
to
help
do
the
things
that
we
all
do
in
the
city.
Paul
streets
provide
super
and
water
et
cetera.
F
F
The
problem
with
with
this
today
is
that
you
know
the
pandemic
has
been
hard
in
this
industry,
and
this
is
a
national
graph
from
smith
travel
research.
We
get
updates
from
these
folks
every
every
week
and
we
track
this
data
very
closely,
but
this
is
a
national
graph
and
they
also,
they
include
the
best
markets
that
recover.
F
They
also
note
the
worst
markets
and,
unfortunately,
the
minneapolis
market
has
been
near
the
bottom
of
the
list
or
the
bottom
of
the
list
consistently,
and
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
really
important
thing
for
us
to
watch
as
the
pandemic
improves.
I
know
president
biden
today
said
everybody
will
be
able
to
be
vaccinated
or
at
least
have
access
to
a
vaccine
at
the
by
the
end
of
may
maybe
leak
into
june
a
little
bit,
but
we'll
be
watching
closely
how
the
industry
recovers
when
that
happens.
F
Most
people
are
not
headed
to
minneapolis
they're
headed
to
florida
or
for
some
warmer
destination,
and
this
is
a
concerning
trend
and
if
it
sticks,
it's
going
to
be
a
big
problem,
which
you
know
the
pandemic
could
be
an
ultimate.
You
know
negative
to
this
region.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
articles
about
folks,
working
remotely
and
or
moving
out
of
cities,
and
things
like
that,
and
so
you
combine
those
trends.
F
Minneapolis
saint
paul
metro
doesn't
have
either
the
advantage
of
you
know
being
in
the
warm
climates
that
some
of
these
areas
do,
and
so
you
know,
will
our
fortune
500
companies
be
able
to
retain
the
kind
of
dominance
that
we've
had
in
the
office
market?
Will
it
return
and
will
people
need
to
to
be
in
minnesota
to
work,
for
these
companies
is
something
that
is
going
to
be
really
interesting
to
watch.
F
So
you
know
this
additional
money
that
we
get
through
the
lodging
liquor
and
emission
tax
allows
the
city
to
do
a
number
of
its
strategic
priorities.
Some
of
the
projects
that
we
work
on
are
directly
in
line
with
the
strategic
priorities
and
others
simply
just
help
out
the
general
fund
in
order
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
do
those
types
of
things.
F
One
of
them
is
that
we've
heard
a
fair
amount
about
is
diversification
of
the
tax
base
and,
in
particular
the
bloomington,
and
and
felt
loop
economy
in
2015,
in
particular,
responding
to
some
terroristic
threats.
Frankly,
that
caused
a
downturn
at
mall
of
america.
We
focused
on
both
terrorism
and
in
particular,
just
you
know
e-commerce
and
other
economic
shocks
that
we
knew
were
going
to
happen
to
the
retail
economy
and
other
economies.
I
mean
you
know,
there's
a
recession
every
you
know:
2001
recession,
2007.8
recession.
Obviously
the
pandemic
recession
2015.
F
F
So
what
you
do
is
you
redouble
your
efforts
to
focus
on
other
types
of
things.
You
know
housing
and
that's
the
thing.
That's
really
taken
off,
especially
during
the
pandemic.
The
council
in
port
deserve
credit
for
taking
a
risk
in
indigo,
but
that
is
really
just
spawned.
A
huge
growth
in
residential
projects
and
south
loop
defendly
at
bcs
is
now
open.
Rosa
carter
and
quinn
were
approved
in
2020
during
the
pandemic.
F
F
The
bcs
group
is
looking
at
another
project,
another
big
400
unit
project
and
then
park
and
go
is
also
looking
at
things
they're
a
little
bit
further
behind
than
these
others,
but
a
huge
amount
of
interest
in
residential
out
there,
and
it's
really
made
way
only
through
the
the
kind
of
the
risk
the
city
and
port
took
by
funding
and
helping
fund
indigo
and
proving
that
self-loop
can
have
residential
on
that
side,
and
it
can
be
successful.
F
F
This
has
been
a
while
now,
but
realizing
that
we've
got
some
sectors
in
south
loop
that
like
the
cluster
and
that
these
jobs
are
really
good
to
have
in
our
city,
polar
and
then
the
sky,
water
technologies
and,
more
recently,
thick
keeping
that
these
tech
companies
in
the
city
keeping
them
happy
and
working
in
others.
We've
got
a
few
others
that
are
in
the
pipeline
and
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
deliver
at
some
point
in
the
near
future.
F
They're
sick
other
types
of
diversification
at
the
element
site
element
is
here.
This
isn't
actually
what
it
looks
like
this
is
the
ac
by
marriott
and,
of
course,
we
invested
in
the
parking
ramp
to
allow
a
restaurant
and
a
coffee
shop
to
be
built
and
felt
loop
further,
diversifying
the
area
and
you
know,
providing
an
amenity
to
office
workers
and
others.
F
Unfortunately,
the
grind
didn't
make
it
through
the
pandemic,
we're
working
with
and
talking
to
david
peters
about
some
other
options.
There
bloomington
central
station
continues
to
thrive
again.
F
So
what
we're
here
tonight
is
to
ask
the
council
and
port
authority
to
approve
a
change
to
the
legislative
policy
so
that
we
can
look
at
financing
tools
during
this
session.
That's
happening
right
now
to
support
projects
that
drive
hotel
rooms
in
retail,
to
continue
to
help
that
sector
both
recover
and
be
successful
into
the
future.
It's
an
important
part
of
our
economy.
F
The
session
is
happening
right
now,
and
the
project
specifics
would
come
later,
we're
not
here
selling
one
particular
project
tonight
or
another.
What
we're
doing
is
looking
for
funding
flexibility
for
existing
dollars,
not
new
money
from
any
particular
source,
so
we
protected
those
fifth
dollars
in
2020.
F
Now
is
the
time
that
we
want
to
look
for
different
ways
to
use
those
tif
dollars
so
that
we
can
build
projects
that
drive
the
hospitality
industry
and
I
think
I'll
pause
there.
Briefly,
if
there's
questions
of
me
before,
I
turn
it
over
to
the
mall
folks
and
they
have
a
presentation
that
they
will
walk
through
as
well.
D
H
Thank
you
mayor.
Excuse
me
shane.
Do
we
have
a
rough
estimate?
I
I
think
you
said
the
average
number
of
new
hotel
rooms
that
opened
up
per
year
for
the
last
years
like
157,
do
we
have
a
rough
estimate
of
of
and
I'm
going
to
apologize
right
now?
If
you
all
hear
something
coming
from
above
me,
that
is
my
two-year-old
running
around
and
having
a
good
time,
do
we
have
a
rough
idea
of
how
many
new
hotel
rooms
we
could
expect
this
year.
F
Mayor
and
councilmember
coulter,
the
only
project-
that's
under
construction
right
now
is
the
height
house
at
the
north
east
corner
of
86th
and
old
shock.
That's
roughly
150
rooms.
F
So,
ironically,
even
during
the
pandemic,
we
might
see
well,
we
will
see
the
opening
of
another
hotel
project
and
oddly,
there
are
rumors
of
other
hotel
projects
in
the
pipeline,
which
is
surprising
to
me
I'll
just
speak
for
myself,
but
the
industry
hasn't
gone
completely
cold,
and
so,
while
there
isn't
anything,
that's
you
know
imminent
or
working
its
way
through
the
entitlement
process.
Now
there
is
some
rumors
of
some
projects,
which
again
is
super
surprising,
given
that
you
know
we're
sitting
at
roughly
35
occupancy
and
thirty
percent
of
revenue.
B
Question,
well,
I
don't
see
any
hands
and
unless
somebody
tells
me
I
just
would
would
like
to
make
a
comment.
Shane.
I
think
your
presentation
was
great
and
for
those
of
us
that
were
around
already
since
inception
on
this
one
of
the
things
that
we
hope
for
and
your
numbers
don't
capture
in
one
sense
is
we
knew
that
the
city
was
going
to
be
foregoing
the
property
taxes
et
cetera,
because
the
tax
they
would
be
used
to
pay
these
things
down.
B
But
what
we
hoped
is
is
that
the
value
of
the
surrounding
properties
would
increase,
and
I
haven't
seen
any
exact
studies,
but
I
know
we've
talked
about
it
before
and
I
think
that
that
that
has
more
than
happened,
in
other
words,
the
properties
that
surround
the
mall
and
bloomington
central
station
and
that
increased
substantially
value.
So
that's
another
big
plus
that
we've
had
out
of
this
whole
process
it's
hard
to
quantify,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
keep
in
mind.
F
Yes,
mr
president
and
commissioners,
just
anecdotally,
that's
that's
definitely
true.
I
think
there
are
some
of
our
assessing
staff
that
may
be
logged
in,
and
but
we
can,
we
can
take
a
look
at
that
and
provide
you
with
some
information
of
what
property
values
have
done
over
time.
But
it's
definitely
the
case.
You
know
with
the
advent
of
light
rail,
the
mall
everything
else.
That's
happened
out
there
over
the
past
decades
and
whatnot.
There's
there's
no
doubt
the
property's
gotten
more.
D
Waving
so
I
would
say
we
move
on.
F
Thank
you
mayor
and
president
council
members
and
commissioners
so
at
this
point
we'll
turn
it
over
to
kurt
hagan
and
joe
renslow
with
mall
of
america
I'll.
Let
them
introduce
themselves
for
those
that
may
not.
That
may
not
know
them
they're
going
to
walk
through
a
presentation
of
things
that
have
been
happening
at
the
mall
and
to
triple
five
generally
during
the
pandemic.
I
I
I
J
A
little
bit
of
a
panic,
so
we're
good
to
go.
Thank
you,
shane
and
good
evening,
mayor
buffy
for
president
erickson
council,
members
and
port
commissioners.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
to
you
this
evening.
I'm
jill
renzo
I'm
executive
vice
president
of
business
development
for
mall
of
america
and
kurt
hagen
with
me
this
evening,
the
svp
of
development
for
triple
five.
So
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
with
us
this
evening.
J
For
nearly
three
decades,
mall
of
america
has
been
a
minnesota
landmark
and
a
significant
economic
engine
pre-covered.
Historically,
we
would
have
welcomed
more
than
40
million
annual
visits
featured
more
than
520
retail
and
dining
tenants
hosted
more
than
400
free
events
every
year,
ranging
from
top
line
celebrity
performances
to
family
friendly
events
like
toddler
tuesdays,
reinvest
in
the
experienced
driving
nickelodeon
universe
with
27
rides
and
expand
to
just
over
5.6
million
square
feet
among
our
newer
editions,
radisson
blue
jw,
marriott
offices
at
moa
and
our
beautiful
north
entrance.
J
Whenever
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
on
track,
we
always
go
back
to
the
why?
In
other
words,
we
look
at
our
core
values.
Why
we
do
what
we
do?
We've
been
very
good
at
offering
the
very
best
in
retail,
dining
attractions
and
all
since
we
have
first
opened,
but
we
continue
to
make
these
three
areas
even
better
for
our
guests
with
great
pride
and
a
sense
of
tremendous
responsibility.
J
We
understand
that
mall
of
america
is
often
the
first
or
primary
experience
for
guests
from
around
the
world.
In
a
sense,
the
image
of
bloomington
and
the
entire
state
of
minnesota
rests
on
our
shoulders
and
we
wouldn't
have
it
any
other
way.
If
we
simply
meet
the
expectations
of
our
guests,
we
have
failed
our
core.
Our
goal
is
to
exceed
expectations
and
deliver
unexpected
delights
that
will
stay
with
our
guests.
J
J
In
fact,
our
longest
running
non-profit
partner,
the
juvenile
diabetes
research
foundation,
hosted
its
first
local
jdrf,
walk
at
mall
of
america
before
we
opened
and
we've
held
it
every
year
since,
although
last
year
it
was
virtual,
we
have
many
programs
to
promote
health
and
wellness
at
mall
of
america
and
most
are
free
to
the
public.
Just
last
friday,
we
opened
the
community
vaccination
program
site
on
level
two
southeast
courts,
one
of
four
in
the
state
of
minnesota.
J
Mall
of
america
was
green
before
the
term
even
became
popular
with
a
partnership
with
the
city
of
bloomington
and
excel
energy.
Together
we
had
the
largest
ever
led
conversion
project
with
all
the
lights
in
our
two
parking
ramps:
saving
enough
energy
to
power,
nickelodeon
universe.
For
an
entire
year
we
recycle
65
of
our
waste,
including
sending
restaurant
food
waste
to
a
local
pig
farmer
and
working
with
a
local
company
to
transform
the
waste
from
fire
oil
to
biodiesel
fuel.
J
We
offer
internal
programs
support
systems
and
educational
offerings
to
our
team
to
help
them
share
in
the
shaping
of
our
dib
program.
We
have
worked
closely
with
the
community
to
create
opportunities
like
community
commons,
where
we've
provided
free
rent
for
six
months
for
15
local
businesses
impacted
by
the
community
unrest
last
spring.
J
J
J
During
this
time
we
forged
a
unique
partnership
with
graco
and
their
newly
developed
santa
sprayer.
In
fact,
we
received
the
first
40
prototype
units
that
came
off
their
assembly
line,
two
great
minnesota
companies
working
together
and
innovating
at
this
challenging
time
during
the
shutdown
once
we
reopened
and
continuing
to
this
day
we
track
safety
data
with
our
guests,
our
tenants
and
employees.
Our
goal
is
to
continue
to
move
the
needle
to
even
more,
to
make
even
more
people
more
comfortable
and
safe
here
at
moa.
J
One
of
the
hardest
changes
we
needed
to
make
was
the
reduction
in
our
workforce
prior
to
covid.
848
individuals
were
employed
by
mall
of
america.
When
we
closed
the
mall
in
march,
we
furloughed
90
percent
of
our
team
members,
retaining
a
very
small
crisis
transition
team
until
the
property
reopened
based
on
the
business
needs.
We
have
brought
back
team
members,
but
the
overall
impacts
have
resulted
to
having
to
permanently
lay
off
30
percent
of
our
workforce
across
all
departments,
as
you
can
see
from
this
chart
showing
pre-covered
numbers
in
blue
and
current
staffing
in
orange.
J
Providing
a
variety
of
job
opportunities
gives
us
great
pride
at
mall
of
america.
The
diversity
of
our
team
is
celebrated
and
recognized
across
the
twin
cities.
Community,
including
over
14
percent
of
our
employees,
from
right
here
in
the
bloomington
community,
also
recognize
the
strong
numbers
from
minneapolis
and
st
paul.
Much
due
to
the
ease
of
transportation
via
transit,
a
transit
has
been
a
unique
asset
to
mall
of
america
and
bloomington,
but
recently
causing
many
challenges
for
security.
J
We
have
seen
an
increase
in
transient
issues
since
reopening
with
things
like
loitering
drug
use,
overdoses,
sleeping
and
disturbances.
Due
to
that
increase
in
transient
issues.
The
transit
center
is
now
locked
from
10
p.m,
till
6
a.m,
and
the
pedestrian
bridge
across
kilobrew
is
locked
from
midnight
to
5
a.m.
Daily
we've
also
seen
an
increase
in
suspects
carrying
weapons
primarily
knives,
but
also
pepper
sprays
and
stun
guns
compared
to
pre-coven.
J
J
Security
aside.
The
good
news
is
performance
is
slowly
improving
and
there
is
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel.
Government
restrictions
have
had
significant
impacts
on
our
business
and
still
do
especially
with
restaurants
and
attractions.
Traffic
continues
to
remain
steady
with
a
slight
growth
in
quarter
4
of
2020.
We
were
consistently
around
50
in
comparison
to
2019..
J
Fortunately,
we've
made
some
progress
in
february,
seeing
the
best
month
over
month,
traffic
count
since
reopening
last
month.
We
tracked
closer
to
40
percent
down
year
over
year,
and
this
past
week
was
the
best
traffic
since
the
holiday
season
and
saturday
alone
had
the
highest
traffic
car
count
since
reopening
all
good
news,
holiday
and
cold
weather
continue
to
drive
strong
traffic
and
with
pent-up
demand
for
our
offering
we
are
expecting
a
truck.
Stop.
J
Excuse
me,
strong
traffic
over
spring
break,
providing
a
look
at
this
past
year,
you'll
see
a
direct
correlation
with
our
traffic
and
sales
to
the
milestone
date
for
the
pandemic
and
government
shutdown.
The
first
drastic
plunge
that
you
see
on
this
chart
comes
on
march
18th
when
malls
america
temporary
closes
due
to
the
pandemic.
J
J
J
J
Another
interesting
comparison
is
the
performance
of
our
sister
property
at
west
edmonton,
mall
and
alberta,
canada.
Their
sales
and
traffic
have
been
better
than
moa
on
a
month-to-month
basis,
but
they
did
have
a
sales
drop
in
december.
Due
to
the
recent
government
attraction
closures
that
they've
recently
experienced,
given
the
reduced
traffic
and
sales
revenues
have
been
impacted
because
many
tenants
are
simply
unable
to
pay
rent.
Total
revenues
were
down
over
30
percent.
J
We
expected
21
to
be
very
similar
to
2020
in
terms
of
revenues,
given
the
ongoing
pandemic
impacts
and
government
restrictions,
but
revenue
recovery
is
expected
to
begin
in
2022
and
will
take
several
several
years.
As
for
capital
expenditures,
we
will
invest
in
necessary
as
necessary
to
protect
our
assets
and
our
essentials.
J
This
includes
projects
like
roof
replacement,
parking
decks
and
asphalt,
rehabs
vertical
transportation,
mechanical
needs,
ride,
rehabs
service
initiatives
and
tenant
improvements.
But
at
this
time
we
are
not
focused
on
projects
that
are
nice
to
have
such
as
common
area
renovations,
decor
and
non-essential
equipment,
shifting
to
leasing
and
partnerships.
J
The
leasing
has
been
negatively
impacted
in
the
near
term
as
tenants
are
opportunistic
and
nervous
in
this
environment.
We
will
be
fine
in
the
long
run.
Once
we
restore
foot
traffic
as
foot
traffic
drives
sales
which
in
turn
drives
leasing.
Tenants
are
taking
advantage
of
the
environment
that
we're
in.
We
have
lost
approximately
45
tenants,
mostly
in
the
restaurant
and
attraction
categories
being
hit
the
hardest.
J
Many
tenants
are
looking
for
percentage,
rent
deals
or
deals
with
reduced
rent
for
the
next
couple
of
years
because
of
all
the
unknowns
and
the
trend
for
shorter
terms,
with
kickouts
based
on
sales
thresholds
and
traffic.
Tenants
want
to
be
at
mall
of
america
and
90
of
the
retail
shops
are
open
and
they
will
pay
market
rent.
J
If
we
have
the
traffic
to
bring
to
them,
they
know
they're
not
going
any
we're
not
going
anywhere
long
term,
even
in
a
pandemic
valve
america
consistently
trends
in
the
top
three
in
terms
of
traffic
in
all
u.s
shopping.
Centers
sales
are
looking
better
for
many
of
our
tenants
even
having
their
best
months.
Ever
since
june,
2020
with
the
malt
reopening
such
as
nike
foot,
locker
burberry
ugg,
bath
and
body
work
sales,
peloton,
coach,
armani
and
the
list
goes
on.
J
What's
great
to
say,
is
we
have
great
leasing
activities,
including
tenants
who
have
opened
during
the
pandemic,
who
are
under
construction
or
currently
finalizing
lease
terms?
New
deals
now
happening
include
capital,
one
cafe
which
is
under
construction,
orbee
parker
there
body
fabletics
just
tripled
their
size
and
are
under
construction
for
a
flagship
location
right
outside
of
nordstrom.
J
We
also
have
unique
retail
stores
like
community
commons
paisley
park
and
farron.
Four,
all
local
operators
we're
very
excited
about
our
new
m
m
world
retail
attraction,
which
is
one
of
seven
in
the
world
for
the
likes
of
new
york,
vegas,
london,
shanghai,
berlin,
orlando
and
coming
soon
to
bloomington.
We
also
recognize
consumer
shopping.
Behaviors
have
changed,
and
it's
important
for
us
to
evolve
as
a
property
and
provide
tools
to
our
retailers
to
offer
new
services
from
curbside
pickups,
live
stream
shopping
and
buy
online
pickup
and
store.
J
J
Each
of
our
tourism
partners
have
been
severely
hurt
financially,
but
not
only
they
do
they
value
the
mild
america
partnership
as
a
priority
in
2020.
They
also
renewed
their
partnerships
in
2021,
recognizing
the
importance
of
moa
and
our
partnership
in
marketing
efforts
in
2020,
wild
america
had
25
hotel
partners
and
were
able
to
renew
21
existing
and
one
new
hotel
in
2021.
J
J
J
Traditionally,
tourists
have
made
up
about
forty
percent
of
our
traffic,
yet
fifty
percent
of
our
sales,
and
that
was
effectively
shut
down
in
march
of
2020,
but
there
are
hopeful
signs
of
hope
to
return,
although
they
are
small,
incremental,
anecdotal
and
full
recovery
is
likely
to
take
years
with
increasing
vaccination
rates
and
decreasing
hospitalization
consumers
will
gradually
feel
more
confident
to
travel
even
since
the
holiday
season.
We
have
noted
that
a
small
portion
of
our
guests
are
traveling
from
other
cities.
J
We're
hopeful
that
the
drive
market
will
continue
to
pick
up.
Currently,
we
have
a
staycation
spring
break
promotion,
featuring
17
of
the
bloomington
hotel
partners,
encouraging
visitors
from
our
drive
markets
to
visit
mall
of
america
in
bloomington
for
their
spring
break
getaways,
starting
this
weekend
and
running
through
mid-april.
J
We
continue
to
work
closely
with
the
bloomington
convention
and
visitors
bureau
explore
minnesota
tourism,
meet
minneapolis
and
visit
st
paul,
among
others,
to
drive
traffic,
primarily
the
drive
market
to
minnesota
and
mall
of
america.
We
also
work
closely
to
align
with
the
us
travel
associate
association,
many
chambers
and
other
organizations
to
help
with
the
interest
in
travel
and
destinations
recently
introduced.
J
Congress
recently
introduced
a
bipartisan
bill
called
the
hospitality
and
commerce
job
recovery
act
of
2021..
It
shows
promise
for
the
travel
and
tourism
industry.
Some
of
the
measures
in
that
bill
include
a
temporary
business
tax
credit
to
revitalize
business
meetings,
conferences
and
structured
events,
restores
the
entertainment,
business
expense
deduction
to
help
entertainment
venues
and
performing
arts
centers
revive
an
individual
tax
credit
to
stimulate
non-business
travel
and
finally,
tax
relief
for
restaurants
and
food
and
beverage
companies
to
help
restore
food
job
food
service
jobs.
J
Moa
is
so
much
more
than
a
mall.
We
are
an
entertainment
destination
and
our
attractions
differentiate
us
and
are
a
significant
driver
for
our
overall
traffic.
The
government-imposed
mandates
that
have
closed
or
limited
capacity
have
severely
impacted
our
attractions,
but
once
listed
lifted,
our
attractions
will
do
well.
J
J
This
restriction
is
the
same
whether
it's
a
bowling
alley,
chuck
e
cheese
or
one
of
our
attractions,
such
as
sea
life
or
crayola,
or
even
our
seven
acre
theme
park,
which
you
can
see,
is
a
small
capacity
on
the
nick
universe
graph.
It's
actually
only
three
percent
of
our
overall
capacity
and
it's
the
bar
second
to
the
left.
Next
to
the
pink
tower.
That's
representing
the
mall
common
area.
J
Nickelodeon
is
maxing
capacity
on
the
weekends
right
after
we
open,
and
then
we
experience
a
consistent
four-hour
wait
for
families
to
enter
the
park.
Weekdays
prior
to
spring
break
we're
seeing
about
six
to
eight
hundred
guests
in
nickelodeon
universe.
If
any
of
you
have
visited
the
park
in
the
past
few
months,
you
probably
feel
like
you've
had
the
entire
park
to
yourself.
We
have
plenty
of
room
for
more
guests
to
come
enjoy
with
us.
J
Our
hope
is
to
see
an
increase
in
the
large
venue
attractions
in
the
near
future
in
hopes
to
have
750
in
capacity
and
lastly,
the
slide
before
I
hand
it
over
to
kurt
is
the
comparison
to
our
sister
property
in
new
jersey.
Their
attractions
continue
to
do
well
with
both
traffic
and
revenue
growth,
despite
the
november
and
december
covid
spike,
not
a
good
barometer
because
of
the
pandemic,
since
retail
is
never
fully
open
at
american
dream.
J
I
Thank
you
jill
good
evening,
mr
mayor,
poor
president
council,
members
and
and
port
commissioners
appreciate
the
time
you're
giving
us
tonight
to
give
you
this
background
on
how
we're
doing
at
mall
of
america
and
also
triple
five
as
a
whole.
I
Shane
had
asked
me
if
I
would
kind
of
give
an
overview
of
the
triple
five
worldwide
group
kind
of
the
company
itself
and
what
makes
us
up
so
I
I
created
a
very
simplistic
graph
that
I
think,
makes
sense.
I
know
our
accountants
and
attorneys
would
probably
cringe
if
they
saw
this
in
the
reporting
structure,
but
just
to
kind
of
walk
you
through
what
makes
up
the
bulk
of
triple
five.
I
Two
banks,
one
that's
fairly
substantial
one.
That's
very
small,
still
have
several
real
estate
holdings
down
in
las
vegas,
a
couple
of
the
strip
malls
and
some
industrial
properties
and
a
couple
in
arizona
as
well.
So
there's
just
a
cluster
of
these
other
companies
that
all
feed
up
all
of
these
providing
cash
flow
up
to
world
triple
five
worldwide.
I
I
Unlike
our
competitors,
though,
we
believe
that
our
projects
being
entertainment
focused,
will
come
out
of
this
faster
than
other
shopping
center
developments,
because
we
do
think
entertainment
will
lead
this
recovery.
What's
important
to
note,
though,
is
that
the
cash
flow
issues
that
triple
five
experienced
were
created
by
this
pandemic,
not
by
a
broken
or
outdated
business
model.
I
I
Over
the
past
year,
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
from
the
federal
government
in
the
state
as
in
terms
of
relief,
but
so
far
it
hasn't
advanced
beyond
that.
We're
still
very
hopeful
that
some
of
these
discussions
will
actually
turn
into
real
relief
with
either
the
federal
government
or
state
or
both.
I
The
government
governors
also
repeatedly
said
that
the
state
has
a
moral
responsibility
to
help
those
that
it
is
asked
to
close,
and
we
look
forward
to
actually
working
with
the
governor
and
the
state
and
try
to
figure
out
what
that
looks
like
at
this
legislative
session,
and
we
believe
what
staff
is
bringing
forward
tonight.
Loosening
the
restrictions
temporarily
on
tiff
could
be
a
way
that
the
state
could
actually
help
us
with
the
regards
to
the
ball
of
america.
I
Mortgage
update,
I
know,
as
most
of
you
are
aware,
our
mortgage
was
successfully
restructured
last
november
and
we're
very
thankful
that
our
lenders
have
been
very
cooperative
throughout
that
process
and
have
taken
a
partnership
approach
and
helping
us
solve
the
cash
flow
and
cash
flow
impacts
created
by
cobit
19..
I
West
edmonton
mall,
unlike
our
situation
of
all
american
american
dream,
west
edmonton,
did
qualify
for
government
assistance
in
canada
and
because
of
that
support,
they
voted
avoided
the
cash
flow
crisis
and
that
we
saw
in
the
u.s
and
no
loan
modifications
were
required
in
west
edmonton.
American
dream
was
the
opposite
end
of
that.
As
jill
mentioned,
the
timing
couldn't
have
been
worse
in
terms
of
the
pandemic.
I
We
were
finally
able
to
reopen
our
entertainment
and
launch
our
retail
on
october
1st,
which
was
seven
months
after
it
was
closed
by
the
government
orders
due
to
pandemic,
which
was
as
jill
mentioned
just
three
days
before
the
retail
was
slated
to
open
last
march,
the
project
opened
under
capacity
restrictions
across
the
board
of
25
percent.
That
was
consistent
throughout
that
seven
months.
Up
until
about
two
or
three
weeks
ago,
they've
now
moved
it
to
35,
but
it's
still
operating
under
a
very
heavily
restricted
environment,
which
makes
it
very
difficult
on
retail.
I
Also,
as
jill
mentioned,
the
the
the
attractions
are
really
the
bright
spot.
Every
single
one
of
our
attractions
has
seen
some
pretty
strong
month-over-month
gains
in
revenues
and
and
attendance
is
kind
of
flattened
out
because
of
that
restriction.
It's
bumping
up
now
again
with
the
the
restrictions
going
to
35
percent,
but
the
revenue
growth
has
been
very
strong.
I
Over
the
past
year,
we've
been
working
closely
with
our
lending
partners
at
american
dream
to
really
chart
a
path
through
these
difficult
times.
Obviously,
this
created
a
very
significant
cash
flow
crisis
at
american
dream,
as
well
not
opening
and
be
able
to
generate
any
cash
for
six
months
created
some
some
very
significant
problems.
Those
problems
likely
will
lead
to
the
american
dream
lenders
securing
their
pledge
at
a
minority
pledge
in
mall
of
america
and
west
edmonton
ball.
That
hasn't
happened
yet,
but
but
it's
likely
to
happen
and
what
that
means.
I
If
and
when
that
does
happen,
I'll
remind,
I
think,
what
we
covered
a
year
ago,
when
the
pledge
was
made
that
this
collateral
pledge
it's
an
indirect
49
interest
in
an
ownership
entity
of
mall
of
america,
there's
no
assets
or
mall
property.
That
was
pledged
simply
means
that
once
we
return
to
profitability,
49
of
those
profits
would
go
to
the
american
dream
lenders
until
such
time
as
that
collateral
is
released,
there
would
be
no
impact
on
mold
america
or
its
operations.
I
I
It's
important
to
note
is
that
that
pledge
was
structured
in
such
a
manner
that
triple
five
would
never
lose
controlling
interest
in
mall
of
america
under
the
worst
case
scenario,
which
we've
now
seen
quite
frankly
from
a
financial
perspective,
it
would
have
been
much
better
if
mueller
or
the
american
dream
would
have
burned
down
or
hurricane
it
hit
it
financially
because
we
would
have
been
covered
by
insurance.
But
this
pandemic
that
we
didn't
see
coming
has
not
been
covered
and
is
the
worst
scenario
imaginable.
I
The
traffic
and
tourism
that
jill
started,
talking
about
and
and
shane
did
as
well.
I
created
a
a
graph
that
I
want
to
walk
you
through.
I
apologize
it's
kind
of
there's
a
lot
of
information
here,
but
I
think
it's
very
important
and
I
think
it'll
help
you
realize
the
connection
between
the
city,
general
funds
and
the
mall
traffic.
I
That
flow
then
goes
to
mall
sales
and
really
drives
our
mall
sales
and
our
attractions
attendance,
which
in
turn
drives
our
normal
revenue,
our
rent
revenue
and
our
attractions
revenue,
which
feeds
into
the
mall's
net
operating
income
or
profits,
which
determines
it's.
The
primary
indicator
of
the
mall's
property
tax
each
year
or
its
evaluation
is,
is
driven
by
that
noi,
which
drives
the
property
tax,
which
goes
into
the
city's
general
fund,
in
addition
to
the
admissions
taxes
that
flow
right
from
our
sales
into
the
city's
general
fund.
I
Likewise,
that
traffic
drives
the
hospitality
community
or
helps
drive
the
very
healthy
up
until
this
year,
hospitality
community
in
bloomington,
so
it
drives
room
nights,
those
40
of
our
guests,
that
our
tourists
are
staying
in
hotels,
eating
in
restaurants
and
and
and
bars
in
the
community.
I
That
in
turn
drives
the
net
operating
income
of
the
hotels
and
the
restaurants
which
which
manifests
itself
into
its
property
values
which
again
flows
into
property
tax
and
into
the
city's
general
fund.
In
addition
to
the
lodging
taxes
that
they
create
that
also
go
into
the
city's
general
fund,
general
fund
is
obviously
how
you
fund
your
strategic
priorities.
Police
all
of
the
the
various
city
services
that
you
provide.
I
What's
important
to
note
is
that
this
traffic,
these
two
industries,
generate
about
almost
a
quarter
of
the
city's
revenues
each
year
pre-coping.
So
it's
a
very
significant
connection
between
this
traffic
and
the
city's
general
fund.
What
happens
when
this
this
ecosystem
is
disrupted?
If
you
will
that
we
saw
this
year
in
the
pandemic,
the
all
of
the
attractions
effectively
been
closed
for
a
year.
Yes,
we
have
150
or
250
people
in
a
in
a
seven
acre
amusement
park,
but
for
all
essential
purposes.
I
The
attractions
have
been
closed
since
last
march,
of
the
350
to
400
events
a
year
they've
almost
entirely
been
cancelled.
Retail
has
been
impacted,
as
you
know,
our
office
building
that
jill
and
I
are
in
now,
there's
maybe
30
or
40
people
in
our
entire
office
building
any
given
day
so
that
that
has
taken
our
40
million
visitors
down,
cut
it
roughly
in
half
to
20
million,
which
obviously
it
flows
through
to
the
mall
sales
in
our
tenants,
they're
unable
many
of
them
to
pay
rent,
which
impacts
our
noi.
I
That
will
impact
the
property
tax
valuation
that
will
eventually
hit
the
city's
general
fund.
There's
a
lag
obviously
in
these
property
tax
values
of
almost
almost
two
years
in
this
case,
because
the
values
the
property
tax
being
paid
this
year
were
set
january
of
last
year,
which
was
pre-pandemic
so
while
the
city
has
seen
kind
of
an
immediate
impact
of
the
admissions
and
lodging
tax,
it's
yet
to
see
the
impacts
of
the
property
taxes
and
how
that's
going
to
flow
or
impact
the
the
city's
general
fund.
I
I
Your
number
one
and
number
two
industries
in
bloomington
would
be
at
mall
of
america
and
hospitality.
The
liquor
lodging
taxes
that
go
to
south
loop
development
fund,
so
the
liquor
taxes,
none
of
that
flows
to
the
city
general
fund
goes
directly
to
the
south
loop
development
fund,
as
does
a
portion
of
the
lodging
taxes
that
are
generated.
I
So
we
really
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
connection
of
it
all
for
us
all
goes
back
to
traffic
and
tourism.
How
do
we
work
together
to
really
drive
that
traffic
and
tourism
to
support
these
two
industries
in
bloomington,
which
in
turn
will
help
the
city
so
to
that
end,
I'll
turn
it
back
to
shane.
I
just
would
ask
for
your
support
in
staff's
recommendation
to
allow
them
to
go,
seek
a
tool
that
could
be
used
to
to
expand
tif
to
be
used
to
drive
product
or
projects
really
in
this
category.
I
F
You
thank
you
curt
and
jill.
You
know
that
was
a
lot
of
information
for
for
us
all
to
consume,
and
I
think
now
would
be
an
appropriate
time
if
the
council
and
port
authority
have
questions
on
that.
That
would
be
a
good
time
to
bring
that
bring
those
questions
forward.
B
B
We've
had
disagreements
and
that's
to
be
expected
because
we're
two
different
parties
and
things.
But
at
the
same
point
in
time
it
has
been
a
wonderful
benefit
to
the
city.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
and
we
can
open
it
up
for
questions,
but
I
just
think
it's
so
important
to
recognize
how
much
communication,
how
much
things
have
gone
on
and
and
that
the
two
of
you
primarily
are
the
ones
that
are
talking
sometimes
daily.
B
Certainly,
every
week-
and
it's
been
something
that's
been,
I
think,
a
big
benefit
of
the
city
and
to
the
mall.
B
Mr
president,
yes,
commissioner
hunt,
I
just
I
would
just
like
to
reiterate
that
you
know
you
and
I
have
both
been
involved
with
this
for
several
decades,
and
it's
it's
really
good
to
see
the
discussion,
points
and
differences
in
the
past,
some
not
so
pleasant,
and
this
is
obviously
very
difficult
times,
but
the
professionalism
again
as
as
you,
both
exemplified
and
and
the
discussions
between
the
parties
have
has
been
very
good,
never
easy
discussions,
but
professionalism
is
always
very
apparent.
B
Well,
and
I
think
it's
also
appropriate
to
to
thank
our
commissioners
and
that
I
know
that
commissioner
hunt,
because
the
renaults
of
banking
has
been
a
tremendous
resource,
and
I
think
you
missed
your
months
and
and
many
other
people
so
again.
This
is
something
that,
as
we've
gone
through
this
very
difficult
period,
it's
been
wonderful
that
people
have
been
willing
to
share
their
talents
and
knowledge.
F
Thank
you,
president
erickson
and
commissioner
hunt
and
again
questions
and
discussion
of
the
mall
team.
Thanks
thanks,
kurt
and
jill
for
for
all
that
information.
D
Looks
like
we
have
a
couple
of
questions
from
council
members.
I
see
council,
member,
nelson
and
then
council,
member
carter,
council,
member
nelson
yeah.
K
D
I
think
the
question
councilmember
nelson,
what
we're
considering
what
we
want
to
talk
about
tonight?
We
we
would
like
to
seek
legislation
to
add
flexibility
to
the
existing
tiff
and
or
the
liquor
lodging
statutes
in
order
to
support
projects
that
deliver
hospitality,
demand
and
right
now,
there's
there
are.
There
are
definite
restrictions
on
how
tif
can
be
used.
There
are
restrictions
on
our
liquor
and
lodging
statutes.
D
We
would
asking
the
council
and
the
port
authority
directing
staff
to
add
the
following
provisions
to
the
the
legislative
policy
to
try
and
loosen
up
provisions,
so
we
can
use
tiff
in
a
little
bit
different
way
to
basically
help
the
hospitality
industry,
and
I
want
to
be
clear
that
it
isn't
specifically
for
the
mall
of
america.
I
think
the
mall,
obviously
being
a
leader
in
hospitality
across
the
region
across
the
state,
would
be
a
a
leading
voice
on
this.
D
But
I
know
that
there
is
support
in
the
hospitality
industry
to
look
for
tools
to
try
and
jumpstart
the
hospitality
industry
again
and
that's
what
that's
what
we're
looking
at.
That's
what
we're
talking
about
tonight,
whether
or
not
we
want
to
empower
staff
to
move
forward
with,
with
the
the
goal
of
trying
to
change
changing
our
legislative
policy
with
the
goal
of
trying
to
change
legislation
to
allow
a
broader
use
of
tiff.
K
So
I
understand
that
kind
of,
but
it
to
make
it
more
concrete
like
what
specifically
would
we
be
paying
for
portions
of
projects
that
would
normally
be
privately
funded,
and
I
guess
my
other
question
is:
where
is
the
hospitality
industry?
Why
are
they
here
asking
for
this.
D
I
think
the
answer
about
specifics.
I
I
don't
think
we
have
specifics
in
mind
about
specific
projects
or
exactly
how
this
is
all
going
to
come
together.
I
think
this
is
a
broad
ask
very
general
ask
about
trying
to
to
change
the
legislation
around
tiff.
I
think
there
was
talk
about
doing
it
on
a
temporary
basis,
not
necessarily
a
permanent
change,
but
just
as
a
as
a
way
of,
as
I
said,
jump
starting
the
hospitality
industry.
Why
isn't
hospitality
in
minnesota?
Here
I
mean
that's
a
good
question.
D
This
is
being
the
the
bloomington
port
and
the
bloomington
city
council
on
the
bloomington
business.
I
I
guess
we're
just
working
to
take
the
lead
on
something
like
this,
but,
as
I
said
with
with
the
the
need
and
the
demand
across
the
state
and
across
the
hospitality
industry,
I
can
about
guarantee
that
others
would
will
jump
on
board
on
this.
With,
with
looking
for
opportunities.
F
Mr
mayor
councilmember
nelson,
if
I
may
so
yeah
tonight,
all
we're
asking
is
the
important
council
to
let
us
go
talk
to
the
legislature
to
see
what
tools
we
could
make
available
for
projects
that
drive
hospitality
whatever
they
may
be
again,
we're
not
asking
for
funding
for
a
specific
project
or
anything
like
that.
F
Ultimately,
we're
asking
for
is
the
council
to
change
the
legislative
policies
of
the
city
so
that
we
can
go
talk
to
the
legislature
with
your
consent,
again,
no
specific
projects,
but
we
don't
want
to
do
that
without
your
support,
and
so
that's
what
we're
asking
for
tonight.
The
other
main
event,
of
course,
is
just
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
mall
you
haven't
heard
from
them
all
during
the
pandemic.
F
Formally,
there
have
been
some
informal
updates
and
other
information
that's
been
passed
to
the
foreign
council
over
the
past
year,
but
we
thought
it
was
a
good
opportunity
to
update
the
council
report
on
how
the
mall's
doing-
and
you
know,
obviously
it's
a
huge
piece
of
the
city's
finances
and
tax
base
and
job
base
and
everything
else
like
that.
F
Good
idea
to
communicate
directly
with
the
port
and
the
community
on
a
regular
basis,
usually
where
they're
in
front
of
you
on
a
much
more
regular
basis
with
projects,
and
these
updates
come
along
with
the
projects,
but
so
twofold
tonight.
The
update
and
then
change
the
policy
so
that
we
can
go
with
your
support
to
talk
to
the
legislature
and
see,
if
there's
ways
to
change
rules
on
tiff,
so
that
we
could
invest
more
directly
in
projects
to
put
some
more
concrete
nests
to
it.
F
If
you
will,
tips
cannot
be
used
directly
in
projects
and
that's
one
of
the
tools
that
we
are
looking
at.
That
could
help
some
of
these
projects
get
off
the
ground
to
help
the
hospitality
industry
as
to
where
the
hospitality
industry
is
hospitality.
Minnesota,
certainly
would
be
a
partner
were
connected
with
them.
F
The
bloomington
convention
and
visitors
bureau
we've
been
talking
to
them
a
lot
for
the
past
couple
of
weeks,
so
they
are
fully
engaged
in
this
they're
seeking
their
own
legislation
to
help
fund.
In
fact,
there's
a
bill.
That's
moving
for
tourism
improvement
districts,
which
is
basically
hotel,
consented
additional
lodging
tax
or
fianna
per
room
night.
So
they're
working
on
that,
but
fully
supportive
of
this.
B
Whatever
was
going
to
be
done,
obviously,
would
have
to
be
proposed
and
would
have
to
be
approved
both
by
the
the
council
and
the
port
in
terms
of
of
actually
any
specific
project.
But
it's
it's
just
the
the
kind
of
thing
that
I
think
looking
at
these
things,
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
take
and
give
additional
flexibility
to
provide
options,
it's
something
that
I
think
is
beneficial
and
doesn't
hurt.
K
I
guess
you
know
it
to
be.
I
wasn't
specifically
talking
about
hospitality
minnesota.
I
was
talking
about
the
convention
and
visitors
bureau.
It
would
be
nice
to
actually
hear
from
them
on
this
and
how
they
thought
it
could
help.
K
K
You
know
I
to
be
candid.
This
ask
is
extremely
difficult
to
support.
D
I
saw
council
member
carter's
hand
go
up
and
then
president
erickson
commissioner
peterson's
hand
went
up
and
then
I
believe
we've
got
council,
member,
colter
and
martin
also
wishing
to
speak.
So
I'm.
B
A
Thank
you
mayor,
so
I
have
a
couple
different
questions,
so
I
saw
the
language
in
the
original
deck
and
then
I
just
heard
I
think
the
mayor
say
it
again,
that
it
would
be
changing
how
tiff
can
be
used,
and
so
that
can
be
used
for
projects
that
deliver
hospitality
demand.
But
I
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
can
give
me,
I
guess
it's
probably
similar
to
council
member
nelson's
question,
but
some
concrete
examples
of
what
that
could
look
like
or
how
would
we
define
that?
Even
I'm?
A
Just
it's
not
clear
to
me
what
that
really
means.
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
guess
we'll
go
with
a
council
member
carter
tonight,
the
port
authority,
commissioner
carter,
so
a
concrete
example
of
this.
So.
F
Pre-Pandemic,
the
city
and
port
authority
have
been
looking
at
a
number
of
different
options
at
the
staff
level
and
some
that
have
you
know,
risen
to
the
council
import
level.
The
one
that's
got
the
furthest
is
the
water
park,
but
others
that
we
were
looking
at
are
the
center
for
inspiration,
the
space
shuttle
project
and
also
the
other,
the
other
one
that
we
continue
to
look
at
is
you
know
some
sort
of
multi-use
facility
so
think
basketball,
tournaments,
volleyball
tournaments,
potentially
she
device
concerts,
esports
things
like
that.
F
There's
been
a
number
of
groups
that
have
been
looking
around
for
a
site
to
do
those
types
of
things
for
a
number
of
years.
I
think
there's
at
least
three
separate
groups
that
that
we've
met
with
that
want
to
do
something
like
that.
It's
something
that
we've
been
in
discussions
with
our
convention
and
visitors
bureau
for
a
number
of
years,
as
they
go
around
and
see
these
facilities
and
other
locales
and
there's
probably
no
better
spot
in
the
metro
to
build
some.
You
know
medium-sized
multi-use
facility
than
out
in
south
loop.
F
You
know
next
to
or
close
to
or
attached
even
to
mall
of
america,
and
so
how
would
you
fund
something
like
that?
Those
facilities
don't
make
money
on
their
own.
They
drive
a
lot
of
hospitality
business,
but
they
don't
make
money,
and
so
they
aren't
unable
to
pay
for
their
debt
service
and
sometimes
they're
not
able
to
pay
for
their
operations.
So
an
example
again,
this
is
we're
not
trying
to
propose
this.
F
This
isn't
for
consideration
tonight,
but
an
example
of
that
would
be
used
to
either
pay
for
some
of
those
capital
costs
or
backstop
some
of
those
capital
costs
for
that
project,
and
so
that's
not
currently
allowed
through
the
tif
statute.
That's
a
project
that
drives
hospitality,
demand
that
currently
probably
isn't
fundable
today,
even
before
the
pandemic,
without
a
lot
of
government
assistance
and
the
space
shuttle
project
is
another
one
and
who
would
own
and
operate
those
those
very
likely
be
operated
by
some
sort
of
non-profit
with
the
event
center.
F
It
could
be
a
slate
of
options.
It
could
be
an
option,
that's
managed
by
the
bloomington
convention
and
visitors
bureau.
It
could
be
some
other
entity,
that's
totally
unrelated.
It
can
be
done
a
number
of
different
ways,
but
the
council
member
nelson's
question
yeah.
That's
the
ask
is
to
use
tiff
to
build
that
infrastructure
directly
in
the
building
and
not
where
it
is
allowed
today
for
the
parking
for
that
and
that
type
of
structure.
A
So
if
we
were
to
approve
this
tonight
and
you
went
and
had
conversations
with
legislators
and
the
governor's
office,
what
additional
decision
points
would
we
have?
As
a
council
I
mean
I
assume
if
there
was
specific
legislation
or
something
concrete,
because
I'm
kind
of
hearing
different
things
right
now,
like
I
heard
the
mayor
say
you
know,
you
know
some
something
about.
You
know
the
projects
that
deliver
hospitality,
demand
and
changing
tiff.
A
But
then
I
heard
you
say
we're
looking
for
tools,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
just
I'm
wondering
you
know,
as
things
become
a
little
bit
more
concrete
at
what
points
will
the
decision
or
the
the
council
be
weighing
in
the
port
authority
be
weighing
in
on
what
that
actually
looks
like.
F
So
mayor
and
councilmember
carter,
as
it
relates
to
the
legislation,
the
legislation,
the
sessions
move
very
quickly
and
amendments
happen.
You
know
quickly
and
so
scheduling,
council
and
port
authority
meetings
for
the
nuances
of
legislation
is
typically
isn't
feasible,
so
decision
points
along
the
way
during
the
session
are
are
not
what
we're
envisioning
at
this
point,
you
can
direct
us.
Otherwise,
if
you
like,
of
course,
but
on
the
projects
themselves.
Of
course,
you
know
again
just
on
the
water
park.
F
I
think
we
had
seven
or
eight
meeting
checkpoints
along
the
way
and
again
this
legislation
isn't
about
the
water
park,
but
just
as
an
example
of
a
project
that
kind
of
ran
that
path.
F
Talk
to
legislature
to
get
the
tools
to
be
able
to
deliver
these
types
of
projects
and
the
actual
projects,
then
are
a
whole
different
timeline
of
presentation
and
delivery
and
decision
points
by
the
council
and
port
authority.
A
So
I
appreciate
that
that
explanation
and
transparency-
I
do
have
just
a
little
bit
of
concerns
with
the
timing
of
everything,
considering
the
federal
government
and
the
state
government
are
all
having
conversations
around
how
to
provide
relief
to
the
hospitality
industry,
and
I
just
wouldn't
you
know
where
I'm
at
right
now
is-
I
don't
know
how
far
ahead
I
want
to
get
of
those
conversations
and
those
decisions,
as
was
mentioned,
I
mean
obviously
I
completely
understand
the
interconnectedness
and
the
symbiotic
relationship
that
we
have
with
the
mall
with
the
hospitality
industry.
B
A
A
I
mean
I
guess
that
there
will
be
ripple
effects
that
would
then
you
know
lead
to
other
kinds
of
projects
across
the
city
or
in
south
bloop
not
being
funded
and
like
housing
projects
or
other
things
that
we're
looking
at,
and
it
just
feels
like
this
is
something
that
the
state
should
be
helping
with
not
just.
F
Bloomington
you,
mr
mayor
councilmember
carter,
so
in
that
example
that
I
laid
out
you
know
for
the
event
center.
Just
because
that's
an
easy
one
to
talk
about,
don't
know
that
it
would
affect
funding
for
other
projects,
because
in
that
example,
it
would
be
tiff,
that's
tied
up
in
the
mall
development
contract.
F
So
I
guess
you
could
envision
a
scenario
where
it
would
affect
the
funding
for
other
projects.
If
you
decided
to
fund
or
use
funding
from
the
celtic
fund,
for
example,
instead
of
funding
a
project
over
at
bloomington
central
station
that
has
affordable
housing
in
it,
for
example,
if
you
decide
to
shift
resources
around,
you
could
imagine
a
scenario
where
you
know:
should
this
legislation
pass,
but
the
the
next
step,
then,
of
course,
is
you
get
decisions
later
on
as
to
whether
or
not
you
want
to
fund
project
x,
y
or
z?
F
Well,
this
this
isn't
the
this
isn't
the
meeting
where
you
decide
where
you're
going
to
spend
the
money,
it's
the
meeting
where
you
decide
that
you
want
to
direct
the
staff
to
go
and
find
the
tools,
so
you
get
to
have
that
decision
later.
But
your
point
is,
is
is
well
made,
I
mean,
and
I
in
all
honesty
that
this
this
will
be
controversial.
If
we
do
this,
there
are
people
that
are
tif
purists,
in
particular
at
the
capitol
that
you
know.
F
Don't
want
to
do
things
like
this,
but
in
times
of
economic
downturn
there
have
been
a
number
of
flexibility
and
that's
why?
If
the
city,
council
and
port
authority
want
to
do
this,
now
would
be
the
time
to
do
it
during
this
session
during
this
downturn,
and
that's
that's,
why
we're
proposing
it
for
your
consideration
tonight.
A
So
I'll
just
ask
one
last
question
and
I'll,
let
my
I'll,
let
others
and
I'm
sorry.
I
feel
like
I'm
asking
a
lot
so
is
it
staff
recommendation
that
whatever
tool
gets
developed
that
it
be
temporary.
F
Yeah,
mr
mayor
councilmember
carter:
that's
what
we're
thinking
right
now
that
it
would
be
temporary,
but
this
would
not
be
a
bloomington
only
thing.
You
know:
there's
lots
of
districts
around
the
state.
There's
lots
of
hospitality
demands,
and
you
know
this
certainly
would
not
be
bloomington
legislation.
So
we
can't
control.
F
You
know
we
certainly
can't
control
everything
that
happens
in
st
paul,
but
that's
what
we're
thinking
is
the
temporary
use
of
this
during
the
pan.
You
know
the
time
period
around
the
pandemic
for
a
couple
of
years
to
deliver
a
project
or
two,
but
again
you
know
there's
no
guarantees
of
what
will
come
out
of
the
end
of
the
session
or
if
there
will
even
be
a
tax
bill.
This
year
I
mean
we
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
G
But,
mr
mayor,
mr
verbugi,
thank
you,
council
members
and
board
commissioners.
I
just
want
to
re-emphasize
what
what
shane
said
in
terms
of
what
the
ask
is
here
and
the
the
the
adjustment
of
the
legislative
policy
is
really
giving
us
the
latitude
to
go
and
pursue
expand.
It's
it's
really
expanding
the
universe
of
possibilities
for
how
we
can
apply
tiff,
and
so
the
discretion
like
shane
said
is
always
going
to
be
with
worked
in
the
council
on
on
which
projects
are
going
to
be
agreed
to
for
partnership.
G
G
I
think
that
one
of
the
principles
we've
long
had
here
is
that
the
the
universe
of
possibilities
for
opportunities
should
be
expanded
for
local
control
and
that
we
have
more
flexibility
to
put
together
projects
that
are
in
our
in
our
best
interest,
economically
and
for
the
community.
So,
like
I
said,
you're
always
going
to
have
the
opportunity
to
approve
or
or
reject
any
deal
or
proposal.
That
comes
your
way.
This
is
just
giving
us
a
lot
more
of
a
spectrum
to
work
within
those
possibilities.
E
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
You
know
I'm
going
to
echo
what
some
of
the
other
folks
have
said.
I
think
this
is
this
is
the
kind
of
approval
that
a
conversation
is
a
good
thing.
I
can,
I
can
think,
of
great
outcomes
of
other
conversations,
and
I
can
think
of
things
that
we
wouldn't
want,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
as
we're
going
through
this
we're
coming
back
and
having
conversations
with
the
both
the
council
and
the
port
on
kind
of
what's
being
discussed
and
how
it
works.
E
I
think
the
other
thing
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
focusing
on
is
not
just
kind
of
people
who
are
typically
at
the
table
on
these
sorts
of
things
which
are
kind
of
the
larger
development
community
and
in
the
hotel
industry,
but
also
be
thinking
about
the
things
that
we
ought
to
be
doing
kind
of
as
stand-ins
for
the
smaller
businesses
in
the
community
with
respect
to
kind
of
getting
things
rebooted.
And
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
representing
that
kind
of
full
range
of
business.
F
Thank
you,
mr
president
and
commissioner
peterson.
So
one
of
the
other
agenda
items
that
we
were
planning
to
do
or
attentively
planning
to
do
tonight
was
an
update
on
the
work
that
the
port
authority
had
asked
us
to
look
at
is
to
develop
some
more
programs
and
a
range
of
options
for
small
business,
development
and
retention,
and
as
we
talked
about
it
internally,
it
was
it
really
had
morphed
into.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
want
that.
We
don't
neglect
our
big
businesses
either.
F
So
you
know
tentatively
we're
calling
it
small
and
all
businesses,
because
we've
got
a
lot
of
big
businesses
in
bloomington
that
are
thriving,
and
then
we
want
to
continue
to
to
make
sure
that
they
can
they
stay
that
way
and
so
in
the
very
near
future,
we'll
be
providing
you
with
an
update
on
that
work,
probably
at
the
april
port
authority
meeting
and
just
wanted
to
give
you
that
update
there
and
also
I
did
want
to
follow
up
on
commissioner
carter
or
councilmember
carter's.
F
Other
question,
which
I
neglected
to
answer
earlier,
which
was
related
to
you,
know,
shouldn't
the
state
or
the
federal
government.
Be
the
ones
that
help
these
industries
out
and
I
think
you
know
the
mall
might
actually
be
the
better
person
to
answer
that
question.
But
I'll
give
you
my
two
cents
on
that,
and
you
know
we
watched
the
federal
legislation
pretty
closely
and
while
the
1.9
trillion
dollar
you
know
second
covet
bill
is
working
its
way
through
dc
right
now.
F
There
is
some
money
in
there
for
these
types
of
industries,
but
it's
it's
fairly
minor
and
then
on
the
state
side.
I
think
the
mall
is
asked
and
asked
and
asked
you
know.
The
state
to
you
know,
help
out
medium
and
large
side,
large
sized
businesses
and
there's
been
very
little
movement
there
kurt
I
turned
over
to
you
if
you
wanted
to
add
your
work
with
with
the
state
and
fed
federal
government
yeah.
You.
I
Have
to
thank
you
shane
and
mr
mayor
president
council
report
members
we
have,
I
mean,
we've
been
pounding
the
pavement
and
we've
had
federal
lobbyists
state
lobbyists.
We
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
money
trying
to
pursue
relief.
It
just
hasn't
happened
again.
As
I
said
in
my
presentation.
It's
a
lot
of
talk
and
no
action
to
date.
We
hope
that
that
will
change,
but
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about
tonight
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
confuse
it.
This
isn't
about
covet
relief.
I
This
is
about
how
do
we
work
together
to
build
projects
that
drive
traffic
to
tourism
and
to
enter
to
to
mold
american
to
the
hospitality
industry?
How
do
we
drive
traffic
and
tourism
and
it's
not
about
covid
relief?
It's
not
about
diverting
any
tiff
funds,
it's
about
giving
the
council
and
poor
flexibility
and
how
they're
used
should
they
choose
to
at
some
future
time
for
some
future
projects.
So
again,
I
don't
want
to
confuse
that
with
somehow.
This
is
tied
into
coveted
relief
from
all
of
america
as
it's
not.
I
Certainly,
it
would
help
if
we
could
figure
out
some
projects
to
do
together
to
drive
traffic
and
tourism
in
our
economic
recovery.
But
that's
that's
really
not
the
ask
here.
The
ask
is:
can
you
put
a
tool
in
your
toolbox
to
help
us
look
at
projects
in
the
future
that
may
benefit
bloomington
and
the
mall
and
the
hospitality
community,
and
if
they
do
great,
if
they
don't,
you
don't
use.
F
D
As
he
hands
up
council
member
martin,
coulter
and
beloga,
and
then
commissioner
lunz,
I
think,
he's
got
his
hand
up
as
well
so
house,
member
martin.
E
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
all
this
information
tonight
and
appreciate
the
update
on
how
the
mall
has
gotten
through
a
pretty
crazy
year.
Forgive
me
this
the
question's
a
little
bit
half-baked.
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
this
feels
similar
to
a
conversation.
E
Obviously
we
had
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
two
years
ago,
now
talking
about
supporting
the
overall
hospitality
environment
with
a
large
attraction
like
say,
the
water
park
and
staff
was
very
creative
and
putting
together
kind
of
the
conduit
financing
and
kind
of
ways
to
facilitate
private
investment
in
attractions
like
that,
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
now
coming
out
of
this.
E
If
it's,
the
flexibility
isn't
for
immediate
covet
relief
to
bridge
this
gap
until
some
of
this
traffic
comes
back,
is
there
something
about
market
forces
we're
anticipating
on
the
back
end
of
this
crisis,
once
things
have
recovered
that
we
we
don't
believe
our
level
of
hospitality
will
continue
to
be
supported
or
that
we
need
additional
flexibility
to
build
projects
to
continue
boosting
that
demand.
I'm
just
wondering.
Are
we
having
an
unsustainable
level
of
hospitality
industry
without
what
sounds
like
some
pretty
substantial
changes
to
the
way
we
invest
in
projects
or
support
projects.
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
councilmember
martin
yeah.
So
you
know
nothing.
We're
talking
about
here
is
covered
really
specifically
because
projects
take
a
long
time
to
get
built
right.
I
think
more
appropriately.
What
we're
talking
about
is
insuring
and
trying
to
ensure
the
long-term
viability
of
our
hospitality
industry,
as
was
demonstrated
as
a
huge
part
of
the
city's
financial
ecosystem,
jobs,
ecosystem,
etc.
F
We're
thinking,
long
term
these
things
take
a
long
time
to
develop
and
get
put
in
place.
But
you
know
if
the
pandemic
is
is
going
to
affect
minnesota
it's
going
to
affect
it
negatively.
For
the
reasons
I
talked
about
in
my
presentation.
Unfortunately,
you
know
when
you
dissect
the
hospitality
rebound
since
scovid
started.
F
If
you
can
call
it
a
rebound,
it's
been
largely
driven
by
leisure
and
not
business,
and
some
at
first
I
thought
that
was
surprising
and
then
it
kind
of
made
sense
to
me
just
because
you
know
there
is
no
business
travel
right
now
or
very
very
little
business
travel.
Obviously,
but
people
are
still
taking
you
know,
staycations.
F
The
same
thing
happened
in
the
you
know:
2008
recession,
where
people's
budgets
were
crimped
a
little
bit
and
they
didn't
buy
the
plane
ticket,
but
they
you
know
they
they
went
to
the
dells
or
they
went
to
wall
of
america
or
or
wherever
they
drove
and
the
same
thing
I
think,
is
happening
happening
now.
People
aren't
flying
for
business.
The
question
is,
you
know:
does
the
bloomington
economy
does
the
minneapolis-st
paul
economy
see
a
permanent
hit?
I
think
the
answer
is
yes.
I
don't.
I
bet
if
I
bet
it's
one
hotel
room.
F
B
For
that,
mr
mayor,
may
I
bought
the
line
just
very
very
quickly,
as
I
alluded
to
before
we
started.
I
have
a
time
crunch
problem
tonight.
It's
a
question
for.
I
Chairs
and
perhaps
city
attorney,
might
I
be
able
to
cast
the
vote
prepaid.
My
vote.
D
D
B
Okay,
it
will
be
very
brief.
I
would
my.
D
Thank
you,
commissioner.
It's
the
time
of
year
for
special
dispensation
rob
you're
fine,
so
we're
good.
It's
thank
you
mayor,
appreciate
it
council,
member
coulter
and
then
council,
member
beloga,
council,
member
coulter.
H
Thank
you,
mayor
shane.
I
guess
one
question.
I
have
sorry,
you
know,
knowing,
obviously
that
that
there
are
a
lot
of
there
aren't
a
lot
of
specifics.
You
know,
for
a
reason,
would
is
I
mean
this,
this
hypothetical
legislation
would
one
of
the
asks
be
in
it
to
allow
tif
dollars
to
be
spent
outside
of
tif
districts
like
is
it?
Is
it
a
geographic
alteration
as
well
as
a
use
alteration,
that's
being
considered.
F
Mr
mayor
and
councilmember
coulter,
we
had
not
thought
of
that.
F
Because
I
think
you
know
with
the
tiff
pot
that
that
we
have
for
the
mall
district,
which
is
mostly
what
we're
talking
about
here.
That's
the
free
tif
that
bloomington
has
that
geographic
area
is
of
the
industrial
development
district,
one
which
is
old
airport
south
now
south
loop,
and
so
I
think
all
the
projects
would
be
geographically
located
there.
So
we
hadn't
thought
of
listening
up
to
geography
on
tiff.
F
Others
may
want
to
do
that.
You
know
if
this
legislation
gets
traction.
Other
people
may
have
that
problem
so
to
speak,
but
we
hadn't.
We
hadn't
thought
of
that.
At
this
point,.
H
Okay-
okay,
that's
a
fine
answer,
so
at
the
very
least,
it's
fair
to
say
that
that's
not
the
intent
that
that
you're
approaching
this
ask
with
tonight.
That's
correct!
That's
correct!
Okay,
thank
you,
and
so
I
guess
I
just
have
a
few
thoughts
here
and
I
I
guess
I
would
I
would
say,
I'm
in
a
very
similar
boat
to
council
member
nelson.
I'm
I'm
a
little
bit
troubled
by
this
ask
in
part
frankly,
because
of
the
the
lack
of
specificity,
perhaps
well,
both
the
lack
of
specificity
and,
in
some
sense
also
too
much
specificity.
H
I
could
probably
get
on
board
with
that,
but
the
ask
is,
is
in
this
case
very
specific:
it's
flexibility
to
existing
tiff
and
or
liquor
and
lodging
statutes
to
support
projects
that
deliver
hospitality
demand,
and
you
know
it's
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
about
sort
of
the
nature
of
the
overall
issue,
because
you
know
I
I
asked
earlier
about
the
hotel
rooms
and
we're
you
know.
You
know
we're
just
this
year.
H
H
H
But
you
know
what
we
have
heard
seems
to
me
to
suggest
that
that
there
there
is
not
the
the
issue
is
not
necessarily
demand
at
least-
and
I
you
know
I
don't
have
a
background
in
business.
So
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
that
I
do
but
at
least
as
I
understand
demand,
it
doesn't
sound.
Like
that's
the
issue,
it
sounds
more
to
me
like
it's.
H
It's
a
question
of
ability,
or
you
know,
concern
for
for
health
and
safety,
rather
than
a
desire
for
folks
to
you,
know,
visit
these
attractions
and
and
stay
in
hotels,
and
so
on
I
mean
you
know,
hotel
developers.
H
You
know
they
come
into
a
place
because
they
think
there's
going
to
be
a
market
for
them
and
if
there
is
still
interest
in
hotel
rooms
in
bloomington,
some
folks
must
at
least
think
there's
a
market
for
more
hotel
rooms
there,
and
you
know
it
just.
It
feels
to
me
a
little
bit
like
we're,
we're
we're
kind
of
the
dog
that
caught
the
car.
You
know
we,
we
have
had
these
hotel
rooms
and
you
know
we
have
you
know
all
you
know
all
these
hotel
rooms
and
now
all
of
a
sudden
we're
here.
H
Oh,
we
need
to
create
demand
for
hospitality,
and
I
you
know,
I
guess
just
thinking
about
the
the
goals
that
that
are
that
you
know
the
stated
goals
or
the
south
loop
area,
which
you
know.
I
understand
this
is
not
specific
to
the
south
loop
area,
but
it's
it's
certainly
been
our
focus
here
tonight
and-
and
you
mentioned
of
course,
the
mall
of
america
tip
that
would
be
would
be
presumably
focused
in
the
south
of
the
area.
H
You
know
we
talked
about
increasing
and
broadening
the
tax
base
and
transitioning
to
you
know
and
promoting
high
density,
mixed
use,
development
and
a
walkable
urban
neighborhood,
and
you
know
I
will
just
tell
you,
you
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
most
common
things
that
I
I
have
has
been
mentioned
to
me
over
the
last
year,
as
we've
thought
about
the
economy
and
the
budget
challenges,
and
so
on.
That
we've
had
is,
is
folks
saying
that
we
are.
We
are
too
reliant
on
hospitality.
H
We
are
too
reliant
on
the
mall
of
america
and
it
it
feels
to
me
a
bit
like
this.
Is
I
mean-
and
I
think
you
know,
as
as
the
council
we
have.
I
think
every
one
of
us
has
mentioned
that
that
that
that
that's
a
concern-
and
this
to
me
just
feels
a
little
bit
like
we're
we're
going
in
the
opposite
direction
of
addressing
that
concern,
and
I
I
am
just
really
having
a
hard
time
supporting
this
particular
ask
tonight.
H
I
you
know
this
this
just
you
know
I.
I
don't
doubt
that
the
hospitality
industry
is
hurting,
but
a
lot
of
folks
are
are
hurting,
and
I
I
and
I
I'm
just
not
I'm
really
not
comfortable
with
this,
and
and
you
know
I
I
guess
I
would
say
it's
it-
it's
always
something
of
a
crapshoot.
H
Of
course,
if
there's
even
going
to
be
a
tax
bill
in
any
given
legislative
session
and
to
the
extent
that
there
is
it's
usually
pretty
finely
negotiated,
you
know
knowing
knowing
that
we
are
where
I
mean
we're
almost
halfway
through
the
legislative
session.
Now
things
will
start
heating
up.
H
You
know
if
I
to
be
frank,
I'm
I'm
just
really
not
comfortable
supporting
this
proposal
tonight.
If
we
have
to
make
a
decision
tonight,
I
don't
know
that
I
can
vote
in
favor
of
it.
If
it's
something
that
we
can
come
back
to
and
have
you
know
further
discussion
on
further
refine.
H
H
H
But
I
I
could
see
perhaps
some
more
flexibility
as
far
as
liquor
and
lodging
tax
revenues,
but
I
you
know
to
council
member
nelson's
point
as
well:
tiff
exists
for
very
specific
purpose
and
I
I'm
I
am
very,
very
reticent
to
use
it
other
than
the
specific
purpose
it's
designed
for
so
I've.
I've
been
kind
of
rambling
here,
but
that's
that's
just
kind
of
where
I
am
I'm
just
really
uncomfortable
with
this
proposal
tonight.
K
Thank
you.
My
full
question
was
asked
by
councilmember
cole
tear
and
it
was
with
respect
to
geo
graphic
nature.
L
Lohman
you
mayor
and
president
erickson,
so
just
a
question
for
shane.
I
I've
seen
recently
these
tiff
tourism
counties.
Do
you
know
what
those
are
and
can
you
help
me
understand
what
what
those
clothes
are.
L
Tiff
tourism
counties,
you
know
they're,
basically
the
northern
minnesota.
L
F
Mr
mayor
and
councilmember
lowman,
I
don't
know
that
I
know
about
that.
You
know
that
we
do
have
julie
eddington
or
we
did
carolyn.
Would
you
mind
promoting
julie
to
the
group
here
as
well?
If
she's
still
here,
she
might
have
an
answer
to
that.
F
Mr
mayor
councilmember
lowman,
we
can
do
some
research
on
that.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
sending
a
link
or
something
we
can
follow
up
with
with
some
more
information.
L
Yeah
I'll
do
that.
I
just
I'm
just
curious
about
that.
You
know
if
those
exist
or
if
there
is
a
potential
legislation.
I
know
I'm
just
looking
at
the
house
research
area
so
that
that's
where
I'm,
where
I'm
finding
that,
so
I'm
just
curious
about
that.
There's
some
thinking
around
that.
So
I
guess
what
my
my
question
would
be
shane.
I
know
I've
listened
to
this.
L
This
presentation
that
we've
had
here
today-
and
I
think
you
know
part
of
why
you
know
tiff-
is
set
up
the
way
that
it
is
is
to
try
to
protect
taxpayers,
and
I.
L
You
know,
I
certainly
want
to
you
know,
protect
taxpayers
as
we
go
about
this,
not
only
bloomington
taxpayers,
but
you
know
minnesota
taxpayers,
because
you
know.
Certainly
the
work
that
we
do
within
the
hospitality
industry
or
with
the
law
certainly
impacts
that.
L
So
I
guess
what
my
question
would
be
in
terms
of,
and
I
know
you
don't
have
specifics,
what
would
be
the
risk
that
we
are
putting
forward
the
further
risk
within
this
particular
proposal
that
would
impact
taxpayers
that
the
changes
that
we
are
seeking
around
the
hospitality
industry
help
me
understand
what
those
those
may
be.
If
I
were
as
a
council
member
to
support
this
particular
proposal.
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
councilmember
lowman.
Let
me
see,
I
think
the
risks
for
supporting
the
action
tonight
are
really
policy
ones,
their
political
capital,
potential,
bad
press
from
the
tif
purists
and,
and
things
like
that-
and
I
I
don't
mean
to
say
that
to
purists
are
either
good
or
bad.
I
I
certainly
don't
mean
to
denigrate
that.
I
understand
why
the
tif
statute
is
what
it
is
and
in
normal
times,
obviously
we
play
support
doing
what
we
do,
but
bloomington
is
greatly
benefited
from
through
time.
F
I
think
we've
demonstrated
that
so
the
risks
tonight,
I
think,
are,
are
certainly
not
financial.
We're
talking
about
existing
money
in
this
example
of
using
tif
that
the
mall
has
generated,
and
it
is
currently
governed
by
the
development
contract
that
the
port
council
has
executed
with
them.
So
there's
there's
no
additional
burden
to
the
bloomington
taxpayer
and
certainly
could
be
argued
that
there's
only
upside,
so
there's
really
there's
no
financial
risk
being
talked
about,
and
certainly
not
tonight,
with
what
the
waypoint
that
you
have
on
this
one.
F
L
And
so
I
can
assume
that
that
by
what
you're
saying
that,
even
if
there
are
those
types
of
risks
that
may
come
from
legislation
that
may
be
adopted
that
supported,
if
we
were
to
pass
this,
we
would
have
the
opportunity
to
vote
it
down
and
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
look
at
the
particular
project.
L
F
Yes,
a
mayor,
councilmember
lowman,
that's
exactly
right!
So
again
tonight
we're
not
talking
about
any
specific
project.
We're
just
you
know,
asking
the
council
if
they
want
us
to
go
and
seek
changes
from
the
legislature.
That
would
allow
us
to
propose
these
projects
because
very
likely
they
won't
happen
without
special
tools.
Now
I
would
never
say
never
we'll
continue
to
work
on
the
full
slate
of
projects
that
the
council
import
want
us
to
work
on.
F
Obviously,
but
this
just
makes
them
a
lot
more
likely
if
we
were
able
to
be
successful
on
getting
legislation
yeah,
so
that
this
is
one
waypoint
again.
Many,
as
I
point
out
the
waterpark
project,
I
think
you
know
there
was
seven
eight
council
meetings
and
of
course
you
hadn't
made
a
final
decision
on
that
project,
but
any
big
project
is
going
to
see
multiple
decision
points
like
that.
L
So
really
what
this
is
doing
is
essentially,
we
would
have
a
seat
at
the
table
as
we
get
ready
to
negotiate
with
the
state,
with
our
expertise
and
our
understanding
of
what
the
mall
has
to
offer,
not
only
for
bloomington
but
generally
for
the
for
the
region
that
we
represent.
L
This
would
give
us
the
opportunity
to
have
that
those
negotiations
as
we're
looking
at
the
state
level
information.
You
know,
and
certainly
I
I
certainly
share
those
concerns.
I
know
that
kurt
and
we've
talked
about
that
that
I
you
know
if
you
want
to
put
purists
on
my.
I
know
on
my
on
my
on
my
hat.
You
know
I'm
more
in
that
that
can.
L
But
I,
as
I
look
at
this,
I
really
don't
see
that
I
think
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
be
a
little
more
innovative
here
and
to
have
conversations
really
at
the
state
level
and-
and
we
can
continue
to
have
our
strong
values
in
terms
of
protecting
our
taxpayers,
while
sitting
at
the
table
and
being
able
to
have
that
conversation.
That's
the
way
that
I'm
looking
at
this,
but
I
I'm
still
not
seeing
what
the
risk
is,
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
maybe
other
council
members
can
help
me
understand
what
they're.
D
Seeing
so
if
I
could
just
chime
in
here
really
quick,
I
so
we
had
the
discussion
through
the
spring
and
into
the
summer
and
into
the
fall
with
the
mall
of
america,
a
disagreement
about
the
use
of
this,
the
the
the
tiff
resource,
the
tiff
resources
that
we
have
in
the
self
loop,
and
I
think
what
we
we
stressed
as
a
city
was
that
we
didn't
want
to
see
that
that
that
tiff
resource
that
we
had
to
be
used
for
for
operating
expenses,
and
what
we
said
very
specifically
was
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
resources
to
at
at
our
disposal
when
we
came
out
to
the
the
other
side
of
this
pandemic,
and
I
think
this
is
an
example
of
what
we
were
talking
about
when
we
said
those
resources
that
could
be
available
at
on
the
other
side
of
this
pandemic.
D
I
you
know,
I
I
guess
yeah
I,
if
we're
getting
into
a
purity
test
here
yeah,
I
was
a
a
puritan
there
in
terms
of
of
tiff
not
being
used
for
operating
expenses,
wanted
it
to
be
more
used
for
capital
expenses,
but
also
do
understand
that
this
is
an
opportunity
that
we
can
add
a
tool
to
our
tool
to
our
tool
chest.
D
We
don't
have
to
use
it.
I
think
there
would
be
checks
and
balances
along
the
way.
There
would
be
many
decision
points
along
the
way,
but
what
it
does
it
just
gives
us
one
more
tool
to
then
consider
how
we
move
forward,
how
we
try
and
support
the
hospitality
industry
in
bloomington,
but,
frankly,
folks
across
the
metropolitan
area
across
minnesota.
We
all
know
what
a
driver
that
the
city
of
bloomington
and
the
mall
of
america
are
for
hospitality
in
the
state
of
minnesota.
D
We
absolutely
know
that
we
had
a
a
previous
city
manager
who
would
always
use
the
analogy
that,
where
the
city
is
like
a
shark
that
if
we
don't
keep
swimming
and
moving
forward,
we're
going
to
be
in
a
bad
way,
and
I
think
that's
one
thing
to
consider
here:
yes,
the
the
numbers,
maybe
looking
good
they've,
had
some
promising
weekends
at
the
mall
of
america,
but
I
would
agree
with
shane
the
the
tourism
industry
has
been
affected
and
permanently
affected,
and
we've
got
to
find
ways
to
continue
to
to
work
with
it.
D
It's
an
important
part
of
the
bloomington
economy,
whether
or
not
we're
able
to
diversify
it,
and
I
certainly
hope
we
are
right
now.
Tourism
and
hospitality
are
a
very
important
part
of
our
economy
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
look
for
ways
to
to
do
what
we
can
to
support
and
and
don't
don't
mince
the
words,
don't
don't
twist
the
words
and
say
to
support
them
all
of
america.
No
we're
supporting
the
hospitality
industry
in
bloomington,
that
is
the
mall
of
america.
That's
the
bars!
That's
the
restaurants!
That's
the
hotels!
D
That's
all
of
the
people
that
work
in
them.
That's
the
the
the
small
companies
that
supply
the
the
soap
that
do
the
the
do,
the
laundry
that
do
all
the
different
pieces
that
keep
all
of
this
industry.
D
This
huge
industry
going,
and
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
look
for
another
tool
here-
we're
not
making
a
decision
on
any
one
project
here,
we're
adding
a
tool
to
the
tool
belt
and
and
again
with
the
with
this
notion
of
with
you
know,
the
purity
of
tiff
and
tiff
is
tiff
is
a
complicated
thing
and
always
has
been,
and
I
know
it's
it's
a
point
of
contention
for
a
lot
of
folks,
but
I
do
know
that
it
has
been
used
in
the
past
in
tough
economic
times,
it's
been,
there's
been
flexibility,
it's
been
loosened.
D
Mr
verbruggie
help
me
here
remember
some
of
the
specifics,
but
I
I
know
I
can
I
can
recall
times
in
the
past
when
the
legislature
has
loosened
the
requirements
around
tif,
specifically
during
difficult
economic
times
during
recessions,
to
help
cities
to
help
industries
get
to
the
other
side
of
the
recession.
Mr
verbuge,
can
you
help
me
with
specifics?
There.
G
Mr
mayor
council,
members
and
port
commission
members,
after
the
after
the
great
recession,
the
legislature
did
pass
a
package
of
tiff
flexibility
policies.
In
fact,
bloomington
representative
anne
lyncheski
was
the
chair
of
the
tax
committee
when
those
were
pushed
through
and
they
were,
they
were
temporary
flexibilities
at
the
time.
So
they
did
a
number
of
things.
They
extended
district,
the
time
on
districts.
They
changed
some
of
the
knockdown
rules,
it
it
just.
G
It
was
intended
to
try
and
give
cities
more
tools
to
helped
through
the
recovery
and
it's
it
was
a
four-year
temporary
policy
recognizing
that
there
was
a
certain
amount
of
time
that
had
to
be
allowed,
because
the
recovery
was
going
to
be
not
a
one
year
or
a
two-year
thing.
G
It
was
going
to
be
a
long-term
thing
and
if
you
look
at
that
period
as
it
relates
to
our
hospitality
industry,
the
impact
to
our
lodging
sector
during
the
great
recession
took
five
years
to
recover
and
get
back
to
the
period
it
was
prior
to
2008
and
shane.
You
can
be
on
those
numbers
if
I'm,
if
I'm
off
base
a
little
bit,
we
have
even
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
gone
to
the
legislature
and
been
able
to
secure
tiff
flexibilities,
so
without
fbcs
we
got
some
extension
of
time
periods.
G
This
is
not
unusual
to
go
and
ask
for
the
flexibility
on
tif
districts.
So
it's
it's
not.
I
think,
out
of
step
with
what
the
legislature
is
talking
about
this
year.
In
fact,
the
impact
of
the
hospitality
industry
across
the
state
is
driving
a
lot
of
concern
among
legislators.
G
Just
this
week
I
saw
a
bipartisan
proposal
to
abate
the
state
share
of
taxes
for
for
hotels
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
try
and
restabilize
financially,
and
the
other
thought
I
had
getting
back
to
the
comments
that
council
member
colter
made
is
absolutely
right
about
the
need
to
diversify
our
economy,
and
the
council
has
talked
about
this.
In
fact,
we're
going
to
spend
some
more
time
talking
about
it
this
weekend
during
our
council
retreat.
G
I
think
it's
an
and
proposition,
and
the
fact
is
that
it's
not
going
to
the
the
the
presence
of
retail
hospitality
as
a
major
industry
in
bloomington
is
not
going
to
change
and
the
the
tools
that
we're
potentially
talking
about
are
tools
that
are
going
to
help
us
stimulate
that
recovery
and,
ideally
do
so
so
that
we
don't
have
this
five-year
period
like
we
did
after
the
great.
K
Thank
you
mayor
just
like
to
ask
one
follow-up
question
on
that.
Has
anyone
ever
asked
the
legislature
for
flexibility
to
pay
for
private
development.
F
So
again
we're
maybe
getting
caught
up
in
talking
about
the
mall
of
america,
which
is
just
the
example,
and
I
don't
think
we're
talking
about
anyway.
I
I
think
I'll
stop
and
let
julie
edington
talk
about
the
different
districts
and
where
tif
can
be
spent
inside
the
different
district
depending
on
the
district
julia.
Are
you
still
with
us.
B
I
am,
I
am
so
there's
several
different
types
of
tif
districts
redevelopment
district.
You
can
only
use
for
land
acquisition,
contamination,
cleanup
and
infrastructure,
housing,
tif
districts.
You
can
use
the
tax
increment
to
build
buildings.
B
B
F
Council
member
nelson
just
to
highlight
so
in
housing
districts
that
took
money
goes
into
the
building
itself.
That's
that's
the
take
away
from
that
redevelopment
districts
that
can
so
that's
the
fundamental
difference
here.
K
Thank
you
for
the
clarification
and
then
just
on
the
tip
district
that
we're
talking
about
what
property
is
not
owned
by
triple
five.
D
Mr
president,
if
I
may,
I
see
council
commissioner
peterson
with
his
hand
up-
and
I
know
that
commissioner
keller
is
also
logged
in
looking
to
speak.
I
don't
mean
to
step
on
your
toes
here.
E
Thank
you,
and
you
know
I
checked
off
for
2021
being
called
councilmember
there.
I
heard
that
mayor.
E
The
the
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
is
the
and
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
on
this
in
the
budget
committee,
which
is
about
the
supposed
dependency
of
bloomington
or
overdependency
of
wilmington
on
hospitality
revenues,
and
I
think
it's,
it's
really
important
to
kind
of
understand
the
big
picture,
historical
context
and
how
bloomington
has
really
been
an
over
performer
in
a
couple
different
ways.
E
And
then,
when
the
the
stadium
ended
up.
Closing
we
had
the
vision
at
the
city,
and
this
is
before
my
time
of
really
going
and
looking
at
what
we
could
put
in
that
location.
That
would
be
a
unique
and
differentiated
sort
of
development
in
that
area
and
for
those
who
paid
attention
to
the
projects
at
that
point.
E
If,
if,
if,
if
we
had
not
gone
down
the
path
of
a
project
like
the
project
that
ended
up
where
triple
five
ended
up
developing
it
likely,
what
we
would
have
ended
up
with
in
that
point
would
have
been
a
bunch
of
big
box
retail
on
pads
there.
And
if
you
go
around
and
look
at
the
state
of
big
box
retail
in
other
parts
of
the
metro
area,
you
know
that
that's
that
would
not
have
been
a
great
development
option
for
the
city.
E
Instead,
what
we
got
is
we
got
an
enduring
asset
that
really
in
the
metro
area,
is
one
of
the
the
three
kind
of
large
scale,
real
retail
properties.
That
people,
you
know
widely
believe,
are
the
ones
that
are
going
to
survive
the
shakeout
in
the
shopping
center
business
and
a
really
unique
and
differentiated
hospitality
property
that
we
ended
up
having,
and
so
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
bloomington
is
over
dependent
on
hospitality.
E
I
would
never
say
we're
over
dependent
on
commercial
industrial.
I
think
we
exceed
anybody's
expectations
in
that
area
and
when
something
unusual
comes
along
like
this,
of
course
we're
going
to
be
impacted
by
it
more
because
we
have
more
exposure
to
that
particular
area,
but
I
think
you
know
particularly
to
the
council
members,
if,
if
you
go
and
talk
to
your
peers
in
other
cities
and
say
hey
how
about
how
about
we
give
you,
our
bloomington's
hospitality
industry
and
you
take
the
tax
revenue
from
it,
and
you
have
that
in
your
city.
E
I
that's
that's
something
that
every
city
is
envious
of
our
city
as
having
and
the
fact
that
we
had
a
pandemic
come
along
and
for
a
year
or
so
we're
having
trouble
with
it
and
that
we're
going
to
turn
our
back
on
it.
At
that
point,
I
think
that's
that's
the
wrong
thing
to
do
for
the
city.
C
Hi
well,
first,
let
me
apologize
for
extending
this
evening,
just
so
I
can
say
a
few
sentences
I've
been.
C
I
think
this
is
my
19th
year
on
the
port
authority
and
I
can
count
on
the
fingers
of
one
hand
if
I
can
remember
them
all
how
many
times
I
have
really
questioned
something
that's
been
put
before
me
and
I
didn't
in
this
case
until
the
discussion
frankly,
so
I
want
to
pick
up
points
and
make
sort
of
a
point,
slash
question,
so
councilman
coulter
kind
of
really
got
to
me
with
a
couple
of
points,
particularly
the
specificity
thing
and-
and
I
I
feel
there's
a
little
bit
of
of
inconsistency
in
the
discussion
about
this
point,
which
is,
is
this
too
specific,
or
is
this
too
general
I
get?
C
It
would
probably,
I
suppose,
be
difficult
to
go
to
the
legislature
and
be
vague
and
say:
can
we
kind
of
have
some
tools?
I
I
I
so
I
get
that
problem,
but
I
think
mr
colter
makes
a
good
point
about
it,
be
perhaps
too
specific
and
in
that
regard,
actually
some
of
the
points
being
made
in
support
of
this.
I
think
kind
of
flow,
the
other
direction.
I
think,
notwithstanding
that
this
is
not
for
the
mall
I
can
imagine
very
easily.
C
This
would
be
our
our
asking,
for
this
would
be
perceived
widely
as
being
a
mall
ask,
and
I'm
also
swayed
by
the
idea
that
we
do
have
some
other
things
to
do,
but
I
I
I
think
she
and
I
think
your
comment
about
the
the
spend,
if
you
will
is
political
capital.
I
don't
know
that
I
want
to
spend
my
political
capital
on
this
and
I
recall
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
talk
about
a
lot
of
legislation
over
a
lot
of
years
and
and
having
to
to
use
political
capital.
C
I
I
I
think
perhaps
we
need
to
husband
that
resource
a
little
bit
more
carefully
and
mind
you.
I
haven't
entirely
made
up
my
decision
yet
and,
and
then
I
kind
of
have
this
comment
question
the
other
point
of
inconsistency
that
I
think
I'm
hearing
is.
C
On
the
one
hand,
this
is
not
a
coven
relief
movement
but
on
the
other
hand,
because
the
projects
take
forever
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
support
from
people,
because
it's
a
coven
relief
thing,
so
I
I'm
not
sure
what
the
the
reality
of
that
is,
and
so
all
in
all,
I
I
at
the
end
of
the
day,
my
my
concern
is
about
the
values
expression
that
that
it
makes
whether
whether
it's
intended
or
not
all
of
the
people
we're
going
to
go
to
the
capital
to
discuss
it
with
will
not
have
heard
this
discussion,
and
me-
and
purist
in
particular,
may
very
well
see
this
as
as
a
ball
bill,
but
also
as
something
that's
an
ask
that
we'll
spend
some
capital
that
we
might
want
to
use
someplace
else.
C
So
again,
I
have
been
pretty
much
uniformly
behind
everything
that's
been
presented,
the
staff
does
an
amazing
job
and
all
is
well
researched
and
well
considered
before
being
put
for
either
of
these
bodies.
But
I
I
I'm
very
much
leaning
in
the
direction
of
of
of
a
negative
take
on
this
thing.
For
the.
For
those
reasons-
and
I
I
thank
you
all
by
the
way
for
your
considered
opinions,
because
I
feel
much
more
fully
engaged
in
understanding
this
now
than
I
did
before
this
meeting
started.
D
If
not,
mr
president,
I
think
we're
probably
to
a
decision
point
one
way
or
another.
We
have
our
the
action's
laid
out
and
oh
I
see
council
member
carter,
council,
member
carter.
A
Thank
you
mayor.
Sorry,
just
one
quick
question
has
have
we
had
any
conversations
or
have
you
guys
had
any
conversations
with
the
league
of
cities
like
minnesota
cities
about
this
and
what
maybe,
like
other
cities
are
thinking
about?
Doing
I
mean
there's
lots,
lots
of
us
struggling
so
have
any
of
those
conversations
happened.
F
Man
customer
card:
no,
not
specifically
this
proposal
with
the
league.
We
have
previewed
for
a
number
of
folks
that
we've
talked
to
that
have
asked
us
about
this.
Frankly,
because
we
had
a
lot
of
legislative
meetings
throughout
2020
separate
from
the
mall,
and
there
was
a
great
desire
by
a
lot
of
legislators
and
and
others
for
the
city
and
the
mall
to
come
to
an
agreement
on
something
in
2020
and
obviously
we
did
not
do
that.
F
And
but
here
we
are,
you
know
this
year
and
so
people
have
asked
us,
you
know:
hey,
you
guys
been
working
with
them
all
and
others
on
on
projects
that
can
help
hospitality.
Some
people
ask
about
hospitality.
Some
people
ask
about
what
they
remember
from
2020
and
so
specifically
with
the
league
we
haven't
just
in
the
past
24
hours,
there's
been
a
couple
of
bills
introduced
related
to
tip
flexibility
and
hospitality.
F
Really,
frankly,
and
so
there
is
going
to
be
a
push
at
the
capitol,
whether
we're
in
directly
involved
in
it
with
what
we're
talking
about
tonight
or
not
for
for
just
those
things,
and
so
there's
a
decent
probability
that
you
know,
should
we
decide
to
move
forward
with
this
tonight
that
that
would
be
successful,
because
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
in
st
paul
that
were
interested
in
in
doing
that
with
the
league.
Specifically,
we
haven't
talked
to
them
specifically
about
this
proposal.
F
A
So
can
you
clarify
for
even
those
watching
what
has
changed
from
the
2020
conversations
at
the
legislature
with
moa
as
it
relates
to
tiff
to
now.
F
F
About
that
councilmember
carter,
the
what's
changed
in
2020
versus
now,
is
in
2020.
The
mall
was
asking
for
the
use
of
tiff
to
fund
debt
service
payments
and
operating
expenses,
and
the
city
opposed
that,
and
we
had
numerous
meetings
at
the
monthly
at
a
monthly
clip,
as
there
was
a
special
session
happening
every
month
to
oppose
that.
F
What
we're
asking
for
now
is
again
much
more
broad
ask
because
we
don't
know
exactly
what
is
available
out
there
and
what
is
palatable
both
to
you
all
and
to
legislators,
as
it
relates
to
hospitality
relief.
We
know
there's
going
to
be
a
drive
for
flexibility
and
hospitality
relief.
We
don't
know
how
it's
going
to
shake
out
over
the
next
couple
of
months,
but
we
think
there's
an
opportunity
and
so
very
different
from
2020..
F
Was
for
help
with
operating
expenses,
which
the
city
opposed
with
the
stated
goal
of
wanting
to
build
projects
to
save
that
money
to
build
projects?
And
so
now
what
we're
doing
is
we're
trying
to
build
those
projects.
And
you
have
a
decision
point
tonight
to
save
that
money
and
use
the
tip
in
the
way
that
we
have
been
using
it
in
the
past
or
try
to
supercharge
that
development
by
putting
the
money
directly
into
some
of
those
projects
and
making
those
decisions
later.
But
two
very
different
uses
of
tests.
D
B
So
I,
like
the
part
about
having
something
discussion
somewhat
open,
but
my
concern
is
depending
on
that
that
to
make
sure
whatever
projects
there
might
be-
and
I
don't
want
it
lip
service-
and
I'm
not
suggesting
we've
done
that
in
the
past,
but
looking
at
things
and
not
getting
things
too
far
ahead
with
the
assumption
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
that
because
it
is,
should
this
pass
and
discussions
prevail
about
putting
additional
funds
into
south
loop.
B
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we'd
have
that
true
sense
of
what
is
that
going
to
be,
and
what
might
that
those
particular
projects
be
and
so
forth.
I
should
look
at
my
camera
here
instead
of
my
monitor
here,
but
making
sure
that
we
actually
have
the
time
to
really
digest
whatever
those
end
uses
might
be
and
that
we're
not
giving
an
open
ticket
and
being
blindsided
after
after
the
fact
by
anything
and
again,
not
necessarily
suggesting
that
would
happen.
But
that's
always
a
great
concern.
B
Well,
thank
you,
commissioner.
I
mean,
I
think,
with
regard
to
that,
the
thing
that
this
this
does
not
talk
about
any
specific
project
or
anything,
and
that
would
have
to
go
then
through
the
the
normal
process.
So
the
the
issue
really
on
the
table,
as
I
see
it,
is
are
do
we
are
we
willing
to
to
support
getting
some
additional
flexibility?
Obviously
with
legislation
you
don't
know
what
that
is
until
it's
passed
and
there's
other
people
are
going
to
be
involved,
but
this
is
something
that
would
not
be
specific
to
bloomington.
B
It
would
be
a
statewide
kind
of
thing,
and
so
I
as
as
I
look
at
it,
that's
that's
the
issue
and
you
know
I
in
in
general,
as
we've
gone
through
these
kinds
of
things,
I
think,
with
the
changing
times.
I
I've
never
been
a
fan
of
tiff
in
general,
but
but
it's
something
that
I
felt
in
my
role
in
in
the
port
authority
and
that
it's
it's
it's
my
job
to
see
that
we
use
it
to
the
best
benefit
for
the
benefit
of
bloomington,
because
it's
there
and
it's
something.
B
That's
a
competitive
advantage
for
bloomington
to
have
so.
I
think
we're
really
probably
at
the
point
where
mr
mayor,
unless
other
people
have
something
that
I
I
think,
just
by
the
the
way
the
actions
are
written.
This
is
something
that
has
to
come
before
the
council
first
and
then,
as
I
read
it,
the
port
supports
what
you've
done
or
not
done
so.
D
I
think
you're
right,
mr
president,
and
so
officially
council.
I
I
think
one
way
or
another.
Let's,
let's
make
a
decision
on
this
and
with
the
the
action
that's
written
in
front
of
us
here,
the
the
I
I
will
make
a
motion
to
direct
staff
to
add
the
following
provision
to
the
city's
legislative
policy
to
seek
legislation
to
add
flexibility
to
existing
tif
and
or
liquor
and
lodging
statutes
in
order
to
support
projects
that
deliver
hospitality,
demand.
L
So
yeah
they
may
be
moot
now
my
question
for
you
and
for
shane
was:
would
it
make
sense
to
adjust
the
the
motion
to
try
to
for
those
folks
who
are
concerned
about
taxpayers
to
add
something
to
it
to
to
help
with
that.
L
I
did
not,
I
wanted
to
just
see,
and
oh
shane
you've
been
listening
to
the
to
the
concerns
of
other
council
members,
and
I
thought
maybe
staff
might
have
a
recommendation
that
might
help
some
council
members
to
to
to
get
behind
this.
D
F
Mayor
councilmember
lowman
in
listening
to
the
comments
from
the
portland
council,
it
seems
to
me
like
there
are
concerns
and
we're
just
kind
of
generally
calling
them
to
purist,
even
though
it's
probably
an
imperfect
term,
but
you
know
general,
I
don't
say
disagreement
or
maybe
just
a
discussion
about
the
the
use
of
tiff.
F
In
particular,
we're
focused
on
tiff
again,
we've
used
tiff
as
the
example,
but
the
motion
is
related
to
liquid
lodging
too,
because
again,
we
don't
know
how
the
winds
in
st
paul
will
blow
over
the
next
couple
of
months,
and
so
we
wanted
to
have
direction
from
the
council
to
be
able
to
affect
legislation
in
many
different
ways
again,
not
making
decisions
on
any
projects
just
allowing
the
tools
to
be
there.
So
it
seems
to
me
like
there's
a
discussion
about.
F
You
know
how
you
use
tip
in
certain
projects,
and
some
folks
want
to
do
that
and
others.
Don't,
I
think,
customer
loan.
You
made
the
concern
about
protecting
taxpayers.
I
don't
again
I
unless
I'm
missing
something.
I
don't
see
how
this
you
know
affects
the
median
value
home
in
bloomington
negatively.
F
I
think
it
only
long
term
affects
it
positively
and
unless
I'm
missing
something
thinking
off
the
cuff
here,
so
I
know
that
some
people
wanted
more
specificity
in
the
motion.
Of
course,
you
know
you
guys
can
do
that
if
you'd
like
and
other
people
wanted
it,
you
know
wider,
and
so
again
we
tried
to
write
it
so
that
you
know
we
can.
We
can
roll
with
the
punches
in
saint
paul,
but
I
don't
know
if
I
answered
your
question
very,
very
well.
F
L
I
think
you're
yeah,
I
think,
you're
struggling
with
the
same
thing,
that
I
am
it's
hard
to
put
words
to
that,
because
there
are,
they
are
in
several
different
veins,
so
maybe
we're
better
off
just
leaving
it
as
it
is,
but
I
wanted
to
just
take
one
attempt
to
try
to,
but
I
do
see
it
as
you
see
it.
So
I
think
I
think
unless
mayor
you,
you
see
it
differently.
D
How
about
council
member
alumni,
I
think
I
I
at
least
see
the
direction
that
you're
headed
there,
and
I
would
be
willing
to
amend
my
motion
to
to
say
that
to
ask
the
legit
to
amend
the
legislative
policy
that
we
would
seek
legislation
to
add
temporary
flexibility
to
existing
tif
and
or
liquor
lodging
statutes.
D
So
we
can
put
you
know
temporary,
however
long
that
would
be,
but
that
would
that
might
be
protection
in
the
long
run.
If
that's
what
you're
thinking
is
that
would
that
be
adequate?
Do
you
think.
L
I
think
so
I
mean
I
I'm
fully
in
support
of
how
it
is
now,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
grasp
from
what
I've
heard,
but
I
think
that
that's
what
I've
heard.
I
think
that
would
help,
let's,
let's
let's,
let's
start
there,
unless
somebody
else
would
like
to
speak
up.
D
All
right:
well
then,
I
I
would
move
to
amend
my
motion
to
to
add
the
word
temporary,
so
seek
legislation
to
temporarily
to
add
temporary
flexibility
to
existing
tif
and
or
liquor
and
lodging
statutes
our
seconder
council
member
beloga.
Are
you
amenable
to
that?
I
am
thank
you
much.
D
I
think
that
that
also
makes
it
more
consistent
with
past
legislation
in
terms
of
what
we've
seen
the
legislature
making
making
allowing
flexibility
with
tiff
councilmember
nelson.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
Since
we
got
emotion
on
the
table,
I
just
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
support
this
tonight.
At
this
point,
one
of
the
primary
reasons
is,
I
haven't
heard
from
the
hospitality
industry
we're
overall
in
terms
of
how
they
think
this
might
help
them.
The
request
didn't
come
from
the
convention
bureau
or
from
any
of
the
hotels
or
any
of
that.
I
I
strongly
support
them.
K
They've
gone
through
in
absolutely
unmanageably
difficult
time
and
have,
as
have
our
restaurants,
as
have
our
retailers
and
them
all
included
in
that
I
I
don't
doubt
that
for
a
minute,
but
in
my
mind
this
is
just
way
too
vague
to
put
taxpayer
money
into
private
projects
that
may
help
spur.
K
Something
is,
is
a
little
bit
difficult
for
me
to
understand.
I
think
that
there
are
ways
of
looking
at
this
people
brought
up
the
geographical
issue
and
and
taking
and
addressing
that
people
have
maybe
looked
at
other
types
of
things
that
may
help
in
the
south
loop
in
terms
of
the
entire
vision,
the
diversification
you
know,
utilizing
tiff
to
help
support
like
a
grocery
store,
one
of
those
things
that
we
know
will
be
an
attraction
to
that
area
for
other
development
type
projects.
K
D
D
Councilmember
beloga
has
called
the
question
without
miss
christensen
here
with
us
this
evening.
I
get
to
call
the
rules
so
all
right.
B
C
D
A
B
I
B
F
B
F
B
B
So
so,
mr
mayor,
considering
that
action,
I
guess
it's
it's
there's
no
action
for
the
port
authority
to
to
take
at
this
structure.
D
D
We're
okay,
completely
dead
here
in
the
council
chambers
all
right.
G
Well,
I
think
everybody
else
was
able
to
hear.
Can
I
just
have
everybody
give
a
thumbs
up
that
the
emotion
failed
on
a
vote
of
4-3
against
and
president
erickson.
D
Everybody
just
stand
by,
I
see
I
think
we're
trying
to
solve
this
here.
Grant
is
working
feverishly.
G
G
D
D
All
right
folks,
I'm
at
a
loss
here
I
can't
hear
a
thing
that's
going
on.
Somebody
suggested
I
should
start
singing,
which
I
don't
think
I'll
do.
D
G
That's
what
I
just
suggested
council
members
and
port
members
is
if
the
american
call
in
to
the
meeting.
I
also,
I
also
have
a
report
that
you
know.
I
obviously
believe
what
you
see
on
social
media
and
apparently
on
social
media.
There
are
reports
of
rolling
internet
blackouts
in
bloomington,
so
I'm.
G
If
there's
something
going
on
with
the
with
the
provider.
D
G
Yeah
and
I
just
had
a
report
from
another
staff
and
that
they
were
able
to
hear
the
mayor,
but
none
of
us
so
yeah
great
carolyn,
the
the
webex
is
still
recording,
though
correct.
So
we
can
just
when,
when
this
meeting
gets
posted,
we
can
make
a
note
of
technical
difficulties
of
hour
and
32
minute
mark
of
the
meeting
or
something
along
those
lines.
G
But
to
summarize,
mr
mayor,
the
the
vote
failed
on
on
a
4-3
account
and
president
erickson
indicated
that,
in
light
of
the
council
action,
there's
no
action
necessary
for
the
port.
Unless
you
have
additional
comments
there,
president
erickson.
F
I
think,
from
the
from
the
meeting
logistics
perspective,
we
could
hear
the
mayor
the
whole
time,
so
I
think
the
from
the.
F
G
Say,
mr
mr
mayor
and
president
erickson,
if
I
might
just
real
quickly,
we
did
have
a
another
concurrent
meeting
of
the
park
of
the
port
and
council,
scheduled
for
monday
march
15th
we're
going
to
cancel
that
meeting
or
at
least
defer
it
for
some
time
the
the
topic
was
going
to
be
discussing
the
usa,
minnesota
expo
2027,
and
there
just
isn't
enough
information
currently
to
bring
that
discussion
forward,
because
the
issue
hasn't
advanced
in
washington
dc.
B
Dc,
okay.
Well,
mr
mayor,
I
think
if,
if
that's
the
case,
we
can
adjourn
so
I
would
adjourn
the
port
authority.
D
A
motion
by
martin
in
a
second
by
coulter,
to
adjourn
the
council
meeting
hearing
no
further
discussion:
council,
member
baloga,
aye
council
member
carter,
hi
councilmember,
colter.