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From YouTube: Special Charter Commission Meeting June 11, 2020
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B
C
B
E
And
commissioners,
we
have
a
PowerPoint
presentation
for
you,
ms
wilson,
the
assistant
city
manager
in
myself
will
be
presenting
the
slides
and
city
clerk.
Janet
louis
is
also
available
for
questions.
The
slide
presentation
does
include
two
very
short
one
and
a
half
minute
videos,
so
don't
be
alarmed
if
they'll
start
playing.
E
If
you
recall
earlier
this
year,
the
City
Council
directed
staff
to
prepare
an
ordinance
and
that
ordinance
was
the
kind
that
asked
the
voters
to
vote
as
to
whether
they
wanted
to
amend
the
city
charter
to
allow
for
rank-choice
voting,
which
is
abbreviated
here
as
RCV
on
May
7th.
The
this
Charter
Commission
received
an
update,
but
no
action
was
required
at
that
time
and
on
May
18th.
E
The
City
Council
held
a
public
hearing
and
acted
on
ordinance,
20
20-17,
which
included
the
Charter
amendments
that
would
be
required
in
order
to
transition
to
rank-choice
voting
and
bring
the
question
to
the
voters
in
November.
That
ordinance
was
sent
to
the
Charter
Commission
and
is
the
reason
that
we
are
here
tonight
on
June
11th,
we're
holding
a
public
hearing
on
that
ordinance
and-
and
you
will
have
the
opportunity
to
either
take
action
or
not
take
action
tonight
in
the
event
that
action
that
ordinance
is
ultimately
approved
in
some
form
by
the
bodies.
E
E
With
regard
to,
what's
being
asked
of
you
tonight,
it's
somewhat
similar
to
that
second
question:
I
organized
collection
that
we
talked
about
a
few
weeks
ago.
Here
again,
this
ordinance
is
asking
the
voters
to
weigh
in
on
this.
As
you
recall,
the
City
Charter
can
be
amended
in
a
variety
of
different
ways.
E
The
City
Council
directed
staff
to
prepare
this
ordinance
in
this
particular
way
to
bring
it
to
the
voters.
So
the
Charter
Commission's
order
enroll
in
this
process,
is
to
choose
whether
or
decide
whether
the
ordinance
that
the
City
Council
has
sent
to
you
is
acceptable
or
not.
Is
it
is
the
process?
Are
the
amendments
to
the
Charter,
if
approved
by
the
voters,
acceptable
to
the
Charter
Commission?
E
The
Charter
Commission
has
60
days
by
state
law
to
consider
this
particular
set
of
charter
amendments
in
this
ordinance,
and
the
state
law
allows
you
to
extend
that
period
an
additional
additional
period
of
time.
If
you
find
the
ordinance
before
you
tonight
acceptable,
you
can
act
on
the
resolution
to
approve
it.
If
you
don't
find
it
acceptable,
you
can
reject
it
and
you
can
also
offer
a
substitute
language.
E
So
there
are
a
variety
of
options
for
the
Charter
Commission
this
evening
and
again
just
a
reminder
that
the
City
Council
started
this
process
and
by
starting
it
they
made
the
choice
that
they
wanted.
To
put
this
question
to
the
voters,
they
could
have
taken
other
routes.
As
you
know,
we've
we've
amended
the
Charter
and
other
ways.
In
the
past.
The
council
decided
to
pick
this
particular
approach.
So
what
you're
being
asked
tonight
is:
is
this
particular
approach
that
the
City
Council
has
prepared
for
your
consideration,
something
that
is
acceptable
to
you?
E
A
Already
it
over
to
Chris
Thank
You
Melissa
kinfolks,
here,
yes,
okay,
great,
my
name
is
Chris
Wilson
I'm,
the
assistant
city
manager
and
I'm
gonna,
walk
through
a
brief
introduction
of
what
ranked
choice.
Voting
is
and
then
ask
the
Commission
to
conduct
a
public
hearing
and
take
comments
from
the
public
with
their
thoughts
and
opinions
on
the
matter,
so
rank
choice.
Voting
it's
sometimes
called
Instant,
Runoff
voting
or
preferential
voting.
A
The
three
terms
generally
all
mean
the
same
thing
at
their
core.
It's
a
process
that
allows
voters
to
rank
their
choice
for
each
office,
so,
instead
of
voting
for
just
a
single
candidate
voters
mark
their
ballot
to
indicate
this
is
my
first
choice:
candidate,
my
second
choice,
candidate,
my
third
choice,
candidate
and
so
on.
Minnesota
ranked
choice
voting
to
be
used
for
municipal
elections
only
so
that
to
elect
the
mayor
and
city
council.
It
cannot
be
used
for
school
board
or
county
or
state
or
federal
offices.
A
One
feature
of
ranked
choice
voting
is
that
it
eliminates
the
need
for
a
primary
election.
Currently,
our
city
charter
calls
for
a
primary
election
and
narrow
the
filed
candidates,
who
just
sue
to
appear
on
the
general
election
ballot
in
November,
with
a
ranked
choice,
voting
each
candidate
that
files
proceeds
onward
to
the
general
election,
and
there
is
no
primary
in
the
state
of
Minnesota
ranked
choice.
Voting
has
been
considered
in
a
number
of
jurisdictions,
the
best
of
our
knowledge.
It
is
currently
used
in
Minneapolis,
st.
Paul
and
st.
Louis
Park.
A
A
Okay,
I
can
go
to
this.
F
F
At
the
WebEx
site
and
on
the
share
content
page
there's
a
tick
box
that
says:
share
your
computer
audio
when
you
once
once,
you
click
that,
like
the
the
screen
with
the
arrow
in
it
that
page
that
pops
up
there
they're
there
check
box
on
that
thing,
at
least
that's
what
the
documentation
shows.
I
can't
see
it
because
I,
you
don't
have
sharing
of
it
and
kind
of
enabled
for
me
to
verify
that.
That's
how
it
works.
A
C
C
You
only
vote
for
one
candidate
for
each
office,
but
in
some
elections
voters
can
rank
3
or
more
candidates
for
each
other.
It's
called
rank
choice,
voting.
Here's
an
example
of
how
it
works.
All
of
the
candidates
will
be
listed
on
the
ballot
in
3.
Columns
make
your
first
choice:
vote
in
column,
1
by
filling
in
the
Oval
of
the
candidate
you'd,
most
like
to
win
vote
for
your
second
choice
in
column
2,
and
make
your
third
choice
in
column
3.
That's
all
there
is
to
it
now.
Let's
see
how
the
votes
are
counted.
C
Let's
say
there
are
four
candidates
running
for
mayor
Asha,
Zack,
Omar
and
Lucy.
Once
the
polls
close,
we
count
all
the
first
choice,
votes
first
to
be
elected
mayor,
a
candidate
needs
more
than
half
the
votes.
In
this
example,
Asha
has
more
than
half
of
the
votes,
so
she's
declared
the
winner.
However,
if
no
candidate
gets
more
than
half
the
votes,
we
start
eliminating
candidates
and
counting
the
next
choices
of
those
who
voted.
In
this
example,
Zack
is
the
candidate
with
the
smallest
number
of
first
choice
votes,
so
he
is
cut.
C
We
use
the
second
choice,
votes
on
Zacks
ballots
and
count
those
voters
second
choices.
Instead,
if
one
of
the
remaining
candidates
now
has
more
than
half
of
the
total
votes,
that
candidate
is
declared
the
winner,
if
not
the
next
lowest
candidate
Lucy
is
eliminated.
Her
votes
are
now
counted
for
the
next
choice
on
the
ballot,
some
of
Lucy's
votes
went
to
Zack,
who
is
already
eliminated,
so
those
new
votes
for
Zack
instead
count
for
those
voters.
C
A
C
A
A
We're
gonna
go
back
to
the
PowerPoint.
Hopefully
folks
can
see
that
now
the
the
ordinance
that
the
City
Council
passed
and
has
sent
to
the
Commission
for
your
consideration
has
four
sections.
A
first
section
of
the
ordinance
would
eliminate
the
provision
of
the
city
charter
that
calls
for
a
primary
election
for
municipal
offices.
As
noted
before
you
don't
need
a
primary
if
you
vote
with
rank-choice
voting.
A
Section
3
is
the
section
that
actually
says
the
city
of
Bloomington
will
used
rank-choice
voting
as
its
means
of
selecting
candidates
for
municipal
office
and
it
directs
the
City
Council
to
adopt
further
rules
and
regulations
for
the
administration
of
ranked
places,
and
then
section
4
states
that
this
ordinance
shall
take
effect
30
days
after
the
November
20
2010
election.
Only
if
51
percent
of
the
votes
cast
are
in
favor
of
the
charter.
Amendment.
E
All
right,
so,
as
you
can
see
on
your
screen
now,
we
thought
it
would
be
helpful
for
you
to
have
a
sense
of
what
these
draft
ballot
questions
might
look
like.
There's.
No,
these
aren't
the
exact
questions
and
obviously
there's
three
of
them
here
and
there
would
only
be
one
on
the
ballot,
but
we
would
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
sense
of
what
the
questions
could
be
like
and
so
I.
E
We
prepared
three
possibilities
that
might
be
moving
forward
and
once
we
get
done
with
today
or
at
the
end
of
this
process,
be
interested
in
your
feedback
on
that,
probably
not
tonight,
but
as
we
move
forward
so
the
first
one
I'll
read
aloud
for
those
listening
in
on
the
call
that
is:
shall
Bloomington
voters
elect
its
mayor
and
city
council
members
either
rank-choice
voting
method.
That
would
be
one
possible
ballot
question.
E
Another
possible
question
could
be:
shall
the
Bloomington
City
Charter
be
amended
to
elect
the
mayor
and
city
council
members
by
the
rank,
choice,
voting
method
and
then
a
third
idea
we
had
again
would
only
be
one
question
on
the
ballot
is:
shall
the
city
elect
its
mayor
and
city
council
members
using
the
rank
choice,
voting
method
so
with
that
I
just
want
to
remind
you
that
we
have
a
public
hearing
tonight
for
those
people
on
the
next
screen.
Here
we've
got
the
information
on
how
to
participate
in
that
public
hearing
Chris.
E
E
Prior
to
the
meeting
were
forwarded
to
the
commission
members
prior
to
tonight
around
2:30
today,
and
so
they
have
received
those
in
advance
for
those
people
that
would
like
to
participate
live.
We
have
a
callin
number
and
a
conference
ID
there's
an
operator
who
is
managing
and
administering
that
part
of
the
process
caller
will
be
placed
on
hold
until
it's
their
turn
and
as
a
reminder
for
those
listening
online
and
onto
the
telephone
public
hearing,
testimony
elicited
limited
to
three
minutes
per
caller.
That's
in
the
Charter
Commission's
rules.
E
We
ask
you
to
identify
yourself
for
the
record
when
you
begin
the
testimony,
that's
helpful
to
the
recording
secretary
and
it's
also
helpful,
to
indicate
if
you're
a
Bloomington
resident.
The
last
thing
I'll
just
mention
before
we
stand
for
any
questions
before
we
begin
the
public
hearing
next
next
slide
is
that
we
will
be
going
after
the
public
hearing
we'll
be
having
some
additional
discussion
and
then
again
we'll
be
talking
about
those
options.
B
Commissioners,
if
you
have
any
questions,
I
would
just
the
way
I'm
seeing
this
is
that,
regardless
of
how
we
might
individually
feel
about
ranked
choice
voting,
what
we're
really
being
asked
to
look
at
here
tonight
is
whether
or
not
to
act
on
the
City
Council's
recommendation
that
the
Charter,
or
that
this
be
voted
on
by
the
citizens.
So
it
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
voting
yes
or
no
doesn't
necessarily
indicate
your
opinion,
bring
choice.
Voting.
C
B
A
Mr.
chair,
we
can
ask
our
operator
Maria
this
evening
to
simply
ask
if
there
are
any
Bloomington
residents
that
wish
to
speak
and
she
would
patch
those
through
and
then,
when
she
tells
us
there's
no
more
Bloomington
residents.
She
would
ask
if
there
are
any
non-residents
on
the
line
wishing
to
speak.
We
are
at
the
mercy
of
the
honest
answers
from
those
individuals.
However,
I
cannot
see
the
list
of
callers,
nor
can
I
tell
their
residency,
nor
can
Maria
tell
their
residency.
A
B
B
Just
like
to
just
find
out
one
more
time,
if
any
commissioners
have
any
questions
presentation
we
just
heard
or
any
specifics
about
what
we
are
being
asked
to
act
on
tonight
and
then
are
there
any
any
questions
at
all
confirm.
Commissioners,
all
right
I
will
now
open
up
the
public
hearing
for
this
item.
I.
I
B
C
A
G
C
We
did
have
that
list
as
well
that
I
sent
out
at
about
2:30
with
the
folks
that
had
requested
to
speak.
There
are
a
number
of
Bloomington
residents.
There
are
about
four
one,
two,
three,
four
five
on
the
list
that
were
not
verified
as
Bloomington
residents,
but
they
had
requested
to
speak
as
well.
Denise.
A
H
Good
evening
charter
members,
my
name
is
Nick
pledge
and
I'm
a
Bloomington
resident
the
ranked
choice,
voting
scheme,
that's
being
foisted
on
Bloomington
residents
by
a
few
during
a
pandemic
and
riotous
environment,
I
liken
to
nothing
more
than
the
current
extreme
thief
on
the
police
movement,
in
addition
to
a
City
Council
who
refuses
to
do
with
due
diligence
involving
a
change
in
municipal
voting,
I.
Suppose
we're
expected
to
debate
the
disadvantages
of
our
CV
at
a
candidate
forum,
a
Heritage,
Days
event,
event
or
a
campaign
appearance.
That's
not
host
City
businesses.
H
It
decision
should
be
made
for
all
residents
in
normal
times.
This
city
has
totally
abdicated
its
due
diligence
and
vetting
responsibilities
by
hiding
all
of
the
cons
from
Bloomington
residents.
The
Charter
Commission
and
the
City
Council's
presentations
by
st.
Louis
Park
advocates
do
not
complete
the
city's
investigative
responsibilities.
H
Now
the
City
Council
was
expecting
the
Charter
Commission
to
bless
a
seriously
flawed
process.
Many
community
many
communities,
including
Duluth,
and
our
current
city
managers,
previous
employer,
have
looked
at
our
CV
and
decided
to
pass
on
it
because
it
wasn't
needed
still.
Others
who
have
gone
through
our
CV
have
decided
to
go
back
to
our
traditional
Perret
plurality
voting
system.
There
is
nothing
inherently
wrong
with
our
current
system
of
voting
here
in
Bloomington
and
no
matter
how
many
times
they
write
it's
a
hit
or
post
it.
H
Our
CV
is
not
a
solution
to
any
problems
that
quite
honestly,
do
not
exist
here.
For
two
years:
Steve
Elkins,
Dean
Phillips,
the
League
of
Women
Voters,
Faribault
Minnesota
and
the
Democratic
Party
has
been,
has
tried
to
fundamentally
thrill
miss
truths
and
generalities
to
council
members
and
other
implement
influential
members
of
our
community.
H
Our
CV
does
not
save
money,
it
actually
cost
more.
We
cannot
afford
that
right
now,
with
our
budget
shortfalls,
anyone
can
run
for
office
currently,
if
they
so
choose.
This
is
not
a
current
barrier
to
any
diverse
candidate.
Therefore,
there
is
no
advantage
with
our
CV.
Under
our
current
system,
every
vote
counts
under
our
CV,
not
every
vote
counts
and
many
times
votes
are
counted
more
than
once
after
re-ranking
z'
into
ballot,
exhaustion
and
disenfranchisement.
H
No
matter
how
you
look
at
it
under
our
CV,
there
are
greater
chances
that
an
ineffective
leader
will
eventually
win
a
given
election.
Take
jacob
frye,
for
example,
he's
a
fifth
rounder
who
we
just
recently
saw
let
his
own
Police
Precinct
burn.
He
didn't
even
get
half
the
total
vote.
A
st.
Cloud
study
found
that
almost
60%
of
Minneapolis
voters
comp
our
CV
very
confusing.
H
Voters
voter
turnout,
voters
who
turn
out
or
do
not
turn
out
to
so
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
For
these
reasons,
I
ask
you
to
reject
the
recommended
Carter
change
referendum.
The
council
has
burdened
all
of
you
with
trying
to
vote
on
this
referendum
with
two
other
confusing
questions
on
the
garbage
and
possibly
a
referendum.
Dealing
with
parks
is
just
too
much
in
this
current
environment
of
uncertainty.
This
needs
more
time
more
vetting
and
more
public
debate.
If
there's
going
to
be
a
serious
effort,
thank
you.
A
G
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you.
Charter
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Laura
Kelly
I
live
in
Bloomington
and
I'm,
one
of
the
organizers,
educating
residents
about
rank-choice
voting
and
the
benefits
of
using
it
for
our
municipal
elections.
There
are
many
reasons
why
I
support
my
choice,
voting
it's
more
inclusive
and
representative.
It
saves
time
and
money
and
it
encourages
positive
issues
based
campaigns.
Tonight,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
timing
of
putting
our
CV
on
the
ballot
this
year.
First
of
all,
this
is
a
presidential
election
year
in
which
voter
turnout
is
expected
to
be
extremely
high.
G
Putting
our
CV
on
the
ballot
this
year
will
ensure
that
the
most
voters
can
wait
in
on
it.
Second,
the
City
Council
has
been
talking
to
residents
about
our
CV
for
almost
two
years.
The
Charter
Commission
started
studying
it.
A
year
ago,
our
CV
volunteers
and
I
have
already
talked
to
many
many
voters,
the
vast
majority
of
homes
like
our
CV
and
like
the
benefits
that
it
can
bring
to
our
city.
G
Third,
in
these
times
of
kovat,
we
need
to
make
our
elections
safer,
more
accessible
for
voters
and
more
efficient
and
cost
effective.
Our
CV
would
eliminate
the
need
for
the
primary,
thereby
reducing
the
risk
during
a
potential
future
outbreak,
as
well
as
save
the
city,
the
cost
of
administering
primaries.
Our
cv
also
works
well
with
mail-in
ballots
and
is
in
fact
used
in
several
southern
states
on
mail
and
ballots
for
overseas
and
military
voters.
Fourth,
democracy
can't
and
shouldn't
wait.
Even
during
a
pandemic,
we
must
be
constantly
looking
for
ways
to
improve
our
democracy.
G
Bloomington
voters
want
an
opportunity
to
make
our
elections
better
they're
ready
for
this
conversation
and
they
are
ready
to
vote
yes
and
finally,
right
now
there
is
momentum
to
make
our
government
more
representative
and
responsive
to
all.
Citizens
needs,
including
historically
underrepresented
communities
of
color.
My
choice
voting
has
been
shown
to
foster
inclusivity
and
diversity,
cities
that
have
adopted
our
seed.
You
have
seen
an
increase
in
whip
and
people
of
color
both
running
and
winning.
So
why
is
that?
G
Well,
under
our
current
system,
most
City
Council
and
mayor
candidates
are
eliminated
by
five
to
ten
percent
of
Bloomington
voters
in
a
summer
primary
before
they
even
had
a
chance
to
be
heard
by
most
voters.
This
system,
favors
candidates,
with
name
recognition
and
large
financial
backing
under
RCV
new
diverse
voices,
are
able
to
run
and
be
heard
all
the
way
through
to
November,
then
in
November,
more
voters
and
a
more
representative
segment
of
our
community
have
a
chance
to
weigh
in
on
all
the
candidates.
That's
how
our
CD
expands
representation
for
underrepresented
communities.
G
B
G
Okay
and
the
Nell
Derby
now
your
line
is
open.
Yes,
hi.
My
name
is
Chanyeol
Gardena
and
on
a
Bloomington
resident
mm-hmm
I
asked
that
the
Charter
Commission
to
not
put
Frank
choice.
Voting
on
the
November
ballot
I
spoke
at
the
City
Council
meeting,
requesting
the
same.
Unfortunately,
it
was
late
and
because
of
the
pandemic,
I
had
to
work
and
educate
the
kids.
G
In
the
morning
there
was
too
much
on
the
agenda
and
instead
of
postponing
the
hearing
on
a
non-essential
request
for
RCB,
the
council
chose
to
move
a
hearing
for
the
non-essential
business
of
our
CV
before
essential
business.
The
hearing
was
rushed,
calls
were
dropped
and
not
all
residents
participated
that
wanted
to
again
the
hearing
was
rushed
and
there
were
essential
items
on
the
agenda.
Some
that
ended
up
being
postponed.
G
Rank-Choice
voting
should
not
be
on
the
November
2020
ballot,
because
many
residents
have
not
heard
about
our
CV
and
those
who
have
had
not
him
have
not
had
time
to
understand
our
CV
or
the
concerns
with
our
CV.
Even
the
city
and
council
does
not
have
complete
information.
The
data
that
was
provided
question
whether
the
hand-cut
process
would
be
eliminated.
They
should
have
been
known
before
the
council
voted
whether
there
is
hand
count
process
or
not,
would
determine
the
cost
of
our
CV
another
concern
that
should
be
known.
G
Although
much
of
the
stay
at
home
order
has
been
lifted,
it
will
still
be
difficult
for
residents
to
participate
in
the
process.
Not
all
residents
will
appreciate
people
coming
to
their
door.
Those
who
want
our
CV
are
organized
and
have
been
for
some
time,
while
those
who
are
just
learning
about
our
CV
have
not,
and
more
time
is
needed
to
address
the
concerns
with
our
CV.
G
Another
concern
is
the
appearance
that
the
city
is
promoting
and
marketing
range
for
supporting,
because
the
Bloomington
fire
truck
is
included
promotional
material
for
our
CV
I
asked
the
Charter
Commission
to
not
approve
putting
our
CV
on
the
ballot
this
November.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
G
Ok
for
Marsha
Watson
y'all,
your
line
is
now
open.
Thank
you
good
evening,
commissioners.
My
name
is
Marsha
Watson
and
I've
lived
in
Bloomington
for
10
years
and
I'm
now
retired
throughout
my
career,
I,
promoted,
reading
for
pleasure
and
lifelong
learning,
as
a
corporate
merchandise
manager
for
B
Dalton
booksellers
for
over
a
decade
and
for
25
years
as
a
senior
librarian
with
Hennepin
County
Library,
researching
and
sharing
valuable,
reliable
information
with
people
is
still
my
calling
there's
a
rank-choice
voting
volunteer
I've
met
with
hundreds
of
voters
throughout
Bloomington
to
share
the
advantages
of
rank-choice
voting.
G
Our
CV
is
a
better
process
for
running
fair
and
representative
elections.
As
you
know,
we
have
very
low
participation
in
our
local
city
elections.
I
want
more
people
voting
and
deciding
how
to
make
our
city
the
best
it
can
be.
I
want
all
residents
to
matter
and
know
their
ideas
are
valued.
I
want
to
make
it
easier
for
all
members
of
our
community
to
participate
and
have
their
voices
heard
in
our
local
elections,
especially
those
communities,
most
impacted
by
racism,
disparities
and
injustice.
I
want
the
winner
of
an
election
to
represent
the
majority
of
voters.
G
That's
what
ranked
choice
voting
does
in
an
RCD
election.
The
winner
has
more
than
50%
of
the
vote
on
majority.
Our
CV
is
more
cost
effective
and
convenient
for
everyone
with
only
one
election.
It
significantly
increases
voter
participation.
The
results
and
the
evidence
are
clear
about
the
benefits
of
adopting
ranked
choice,
voting
it's
all
on
the
RCD
bloomington
website
at
our
CD
bloomington.
That
work,
please
examine
all
the
evidence,
put
rank-choice
voting
on
the
ballot,
this
November
and
let
the
voters
decide.
Thank
you
for
listening.
A
D
You
tonight
I
am
asking
the
Charter
Commission
to
not
put
rank-choice
voting
on
the
ballot.
This
November
I
asked
this
due
to
the
city
being
under
a
state
of
emergency,
where
residents
were
told
only
essential
business
was
to
be
conducted.
Changing
the
city
charter
concerning
how
residents
vote
is
not
essential
business
and
therefore
the
council
should
not
have
voted
to
request
it
be
heard
by
the
Charter
Commission.
The
council
should
not
have
voted,
but
it
did,
and
yet,
as
someone
pointed
out
on
social
media,
it
is
not
mentioned
in
the
Bloomington
briefing.
D
The
council
voted
on
a
change
in
the
way
residents
vote
and
yet
did
not
take
the
opportunity
to
inform
all
residents
of
the
possible
change
by
including
it
in
the
Bloomington
briefing
and
asked
for
resident
input.
That
should
not
happen.
Additionally,
I
asked
the
Charter
Commission
not
to
consider
rank-choice
voting
rank-choice
voting
on
the
ballot,
because
the
city
did
not
include
all
the
data
with
the
notice
of
the
hearing.
The
council
voted
and
residents
were
not
provided
all
that
the
council
considered
when
voting.
D
The
city
also
did
not
include
all
the
data
with
the
Charter
Commission
meeting
notice,
either,
which
would
mean
residents
wanting
to
address
their
concerns
would
be
without
needed.
Information.
Also
remote,
remote
participation
is
not
working.
Residents
have
called
during
the
city
council
meetings
and
their
calls
have
been
dropped
when
residents
are
speaking,
it
is
unknown
whether
council
are
listening,
because
the
camera
is
not
on
councilmembers
one
council
member
left
to
use
the
bathroom
which
is
allowed,
but
it
should
be
known
by
the
public
that
that
that
this
is
not
happening
when
a
resident
is
speaking.
D
Another
concern
is
a
resident
who
wanted
to
request
the
council
revisit.
The
book
was
incorrectly
told
by
a
council
member
that
it
was
too
late
when
it
was
not
again.
The
city
is
operating
under
a
state
of
emergency
and
also
a
new
agenda
management
system,
and
it
is
understandable.
Errors
will
happen.
What
is
not
understandable?
Is
the
council
voting
to
change
how
residents
vote
during
this
time?
Councilmember
Blow
goes
on
record.
D
G
You
and
good
evening
commissioners
I'm
a
longtime
Bloomington
residents
and
following
the
City
Council
meeting
last
month,
there
was
a
flood
of
misinformation
about
our
CV
on
Bloomington
community
Facebook
groups.
It
was
said
that
those
of
us
who
testified
in
favor
of
our
CV
were
part
of
an
outside
group
and
that
we
all
read
off
a
script.
G
Instead
of
tearing
down
their
opponents
in
favor
of
our
CV,
since
candidates
are
compelled
to
step
outside
their
base
talk
to
voters,
they
might
have
ignored
under
the
old
system
I'm
in
favor
of
a
system
which
fosters
coalition
building
and
a
more
meaningful
political
conversation
in
favor
of
a
system
that
yields
leadership.
That's
more
reflective
of
the
whole
electorate.
G
The
FAQ
section
of
the
rcv
Bloomington
org
website
extremely
helpful
in
distinguishing
between
fact
and
fiction.
It
dispels
myths
like
rcv
favors
one
party
over
another.
Our
CD
will
cost
more,
for
our
CD
allows
some
voters
to
vote
more
than
once.
In
fact,
we
heard
two
of
those
myths
miss
just
mentioned
today
by
our
first
caller,
in
addition
to
dispelling
misinformation,
spread
being
spread
by
opponents
of
our
CD.
The
FAQ
on
the
RCD
Bloomington
org
site
also
provides
information
on
who
opposes
rcv.
The
main
opposition
group
in
Minnesota
is
MN
voters
Alliance.
G
This
is
the
same
that
led
the
unsuccessful
probe
voter
I-d
push
in
Minnesota
in
2011
and
the
same
group,
which
recently
lost
its
case
before
the
Minnesota
Supreme
Court,
to
require
public
disclosure
of
voter
information
in
2009.
They
challenged
RCV
with
a
lawsuit
and
lost
no
I'm,
not
employed
by
any
political
organization,
or
anyone
for
that
matter,
and
I'm
not
reading
off
of
a
script
I'm.
Just
one
citizen
who
hopes
that
the
stability
of
this
country,
this
state
and
the
city
will
improve
CV
supports
more
civil
campaigns
and
I
hope
to
see
it
on.
B
J
Good
evening,
trucker
commissioners,
my
name
is
Gary
hire,
Bloomington
resident
and
a
candidates.
This
November
for
a
Minnesota
House
seat,
Bloomington
50,
B
I
successfully
ran
a
grassroots
movement
via
the
caucus
system
to
assemble
elected
Vance
delegates
to
national
representation
of
a
major
political
party.
Candidate
I
can't
tell
you
for
a
fact,
as
an
organizer
and
a
strategist
that
rank-choice
voting
will
force
candidates
to
create
teams
of
individual
candidates
masks
in
the
name
of
diversity,
to
get
out
the
vote
for
a
particular
candidate
who
organizationally
has
already
been
chosen
to
be
the
winning
candidate.
J
So
any
candidate,
not
colluding
with
other
candidates
will
be
guaranteed
to
lose,
and
I
can
tell
you
that,
from
experience
from
from
running
slate
running
for
City,
Council
will
become
a
magnet
for
money
to
buy
influence
and
power
to
a
thoroughly
rigged
system
of
conspiracy
coordinating
slate
and
making
deals
to
get
out
the
vote
regarding
demographics,
who
may
otherwise
not
a
voted
for
example.
Now
this
is
just
a
hypothetical
of
what
could
happen
if
voting
his
past.
Let's
say
someone
on
the
current
city
council
is
up
for
re-election.
J
The
City
Council
publicly
encourages
diverse
candidates
to
run
and
privately
candidates
are
recruited
to
run,
who
will
promote
a
slate
which
is
a
ranked
list
of
candidates
so
with
that
particular
incumbents
as
their
number
two
choice,
thereby
getting
out
the
vote
of
a
particular
cohort,
where
the
first
choice
candidate
had
zero,
realistic
chance
of
garnering
50
percent
of
the
vote,
but
motivated
unwitting
voters
that
are,
in
the
name
of
diversity,
to
vote
a
slate
and
choose
that
incumbent
as
their
number
two
on
their
slate.
When
the
first
choice
candidate
is
eliminated.
J
All
of
the
voters
who
turned
out
for
that
candidate
actually
turned
off,
or
someone
was
colluding
with
the
incumbent
campaign
from
the
beginning
to
win
the
City
Council
seat
for
themselves.
Rank-Choice
voting
will
prevent
single
candidates
who
are
passionate
about
change
and
transformative
governance
from
running
and
will
encourage
a
seemingly
diverse
team
of
colluding
candidates
to
conspire
and
control
government
via
money
and
power,
rather
than
from
an
open
field
of
freedom,
liberty
and
inspired
ideas.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
attention
this
evening.
J
J
J
Bloomington
has
better
governance,
so
I
know
it's
a
job
that
you
take
seriously.
So
thank
you.
Our
CV
is
a
legitimate
constitutional
approach
to
a
voting
system
for
City,
Council
and
mayor.
It
can't
be
dismissed
as
volley
or
having
no
practical
value.
It's
been
in
public
discussion
for
a
couple
of
years
now,
I'm
I
know
that
all
of
you
take
your
job
seriously.
So
I'm
sure
you're
well
versed
on
the
issue
and
a
lot
of
what
you're
hearing
tonight
is
probably
may
have
heard
some
of
it
before.
J
But
the
issue
before
you
tonight
is
before
you
tonight,
because
at
the
request
of
the
City
Council
they
of
course
we're
influenced
place,
but
assistance
in
Bloomington-
and
you
know
they
brought
this
to
the
Charter
Commission
you
it's
Charter
Commission
are
not
deciding
in
our
CV
you're
deciding
whether
or
not
the
question
we
presented
to
the
citizens
of
Bloomington.
We
have
a
lot
of
smart
people
in
Bloomington,
I.
Think
the
questions
that
were
presented
earlier
were
pretty
simple.
The
Bloomington
voters
will
be
the
ones
that
will
decide
the
fate
of
our
CD
in
the
end.
J
H
B
J
Oh
okay,
thank
you.
Thank
You
commissioners.
My
name
is
Andrew
Sewell
I'm
a
48
year
resident
of
Bloomington,
and
now
it's
not
the
time
to
pursue
ranked
choice.
Voting
now
the
city
is
expected
to
have
the
seven
to
seventeen
million
dollar
shortfall
in
budget.
This
is
not
the
time
to
explore
a
new
voting
process
that
will
cost
more.
If
a
current
system
is
not
broke,
let's
not
fix
it.
I
sent
all
the
commissioners
an
article
and
I
want
to
highlight
some
of
the
findings
of
us.
J
J
One
interesting
fact
was
that
cities
that
utilize
ranked
choice
voting
spent
more
on
Elections
on
those
cities
that
did
not
know
where,
during
the
köppen
19
crisis
has
Rea
choice.
Voting
been
mentioned
in
recent
looking's
at
the
the
Bloomington
briefing
nor
the
son
current
there's
absolutely
no
mention
of
ranked
choice,
voting
whatsoever
and
that's
very
telling
for
the
cities.
This
is
far
from
our
seventh
pillar
of
transparency
and
engagement
in
our
government.
J
In
2020,
Minneapolis
needed
1,700,000
for
the
new
ranked
choice,
voting
methods
costing
the
city
five
times
more
than
traditional
voting
methods,
and
this
ended
up
costing
the
city
and
additional
$385,000
commissioners
at
this
time,
I
urge
you
to
say
no
to
changing
the
Charter
to
adopt
a
choice,
voting
as
economic
research,
certainty
this
it
now's,
not
the
time
to
be
any
more
taxes
to
the
resident
of
Bloomington.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
H
Cool.
Thank
you.
Yes,
my
name
is
Adam
a
sec
I'm.
A
recent
resident
of
Bloomington
I've,
been
here
the
past
couple
years
and
I
really
like
it
and
I
appreciate
the
work
everyone
does
and
for
having
me
I'm
speaking
in
favor,
of
having
rank-choice
voting
on
the
ballot.
I
I'm
personally
for
it.
I
understand
there
are
people
out
there
who
who
aren't
and-
and
I
think
that's
totally
fair
but
I-
think
it's
definitely
fair
for
Bloomington
residents
to
vote
and
decide
that
that's
something
they
they
want
to
use.
I.
H
Think
there's
a
lot
of
helpful
information
out.
There
I
think
you
know
a
lot
of
them.
There,
I'm
not
trying
to
conflate
national
elections
with
local
stuff,
but
I
think
the
US
has
a
long,
rich
history
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
are
the
best
ways
to
help
citizens
vote
and
determine
elections
and
yeah
I,
just
I
just
beyond
any
sort
of
personal
support
for
rent
choice.
Voting
I
just
think
it's
important
for
Bloomington
residents
to
decide
for
themselves
if
rank-choice
voting
is
something
we
want
to
utilize.
I
know
it's
there's
co,
good
stuff!
H
G
Okay
and
for
Gretchen
to
Ronco
here
and
I,
guess
that
was
been
a
yummy
now
speak.
Yes,
commissioner,
is
my
name
is
Gretchen
Martha
my
husband
and
I
have
lived
at
5201
West
108
Street
in
Bloomington
and
orange
Thompson
Rambler
for
47
years
I
attended
last
fall's
Charter
Commission
study
session
that
focused
on
this
topic.
I
was
impressed
by
the
presentation
that
evening
by
the
city
of
st.
Louis,
Park
staff
I
thought
they
thoroughly
detailed.
The
intensive
process,
the
city
of
gone
shoe
that
led
the
decision
to
implement
RCB
in
st.
G
Louis
heart
to
small
selection.
That
evening
new
commissioners
asked
good
and
in-depth
thoughts
or
questions
and
I
think
you
got
pretty
thorough
responses
from
the
presenters.
This
was
one
of
many
public
opportunities
for
all
in
Bloomington
to
hear
the
pros
and
cons
of
rank-choice
voting.
There
have
been
articles,
I
believe,
contrary
to
a
couple
of
previous
speakers
and
mainstream
media
on
this
topic,
Facebook
website
information,
as
the
topic
relates
specifically
to
Burlington,
is
easily
accessible
and
has
been
for
months
time
for
the
discussion
is
over.
Please
vote
to
include
rank-choice
voting
on
the
ballot.
B
G
C
For
considering
this
important
topic,
I
am
a
Bloomington
resident
and
I
support.
Putting
rank-choice
voting
on
the
ballot
I
moved
to
Bloomington
five
years
ago
from
Minneapolis
and
I
loved
many
things
about
Bloomington,
but
I
miss
using
rank-choice
voting
on
citywide
elections,
I
see
several
advantages
to
rank-choice
voting
and
I.
Won't
I,
won't
repeat
a
few
that
have
already
been
mentioned.
One
of
the
things
I
appreciate
most
is
it
allows
us
to
vote,
for
who
we
think
is
the
best
candidate
without
feeling
like
we
may
be
wasting
a
vote
or
indirectly
helping
a
candidate.
C
We
don't
support
by
voting
for
a
lesser-known
candidate.
It
might
because
it
cuts
out
an
election
and
not
needing
a
primary.
It
can
save
money
and
I've
been
on
an
election
judge
and
I
know
a
lot
of
election
judges
are
older,
not
all,
but
because
they
have
more
time
and
many
people
with
Kovan
19
and
the
hopefully,
in
a
couple
of
years,
when
it's.
C
If
this
was
passed,
it
wouldn't
be
an
issue,
but
from
what
everything
everybody's
talking
about
we're,
probably
going
to
be
needing
to
be
careful
for
a
long
time
and
at
the
same
time,
I
think
it's
very
timely,
because
if
it
is
passed,
it
reduces
the
risk.
Voters
will
spread
our
contract.
You
know
coronavirus
or
other
illnesses
at
the
polls
by
reducing
times
that
they
have
to
go.
It
provides
candidates
more
time
to
talk
with
folders
and
borders
more
time
to
learn
about
candidates
and
and
I.
My
experience
as
an
election
judge
in
Minneapolis
is
it.
C
It
is
pretty
easy
for
voters
to
use
the
vast
majority
of
voters
easily
understand
the
concept
of
ranking
their
top
candidate
and
they
appreciate
the
ability
to
still
have
their
vote
count
if
their
first
choice,
candidate
doesn't
win
for
those
who
just
want
to
vote
for
one
candidate,
as
they
always
have
ranked
choice.
Voting
still
allows
them
to
do
so.
I
hope
looming
can
we'll
join
with
other
pioneers,
which
includes
at
least
17
cities.
C
Three
states
in
several
other
states
who
use
our
CV
for
military
and
overseas
voting
and
nine
countries
who
are
currently
using
ranked
choice,
voting
to
provide
a
safer,
cheaper,
more
representative,
inclusive
and
effective
alternative
to
our
current
process.
I
urge
you
to
allow
voters
the
chance
to
adopt
ranked.
B
H
You
I'm
Margaret
Swanson
I
live
at
88,
48
Nicollet
Avenue.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
tonight
and
I.
Do
look
forward
to
seeing
ranked
choice
voting
on
the
November
ballot.
There
are
several
reasons
to
embrace
ranked
choice.
Voting
I
ascribe
to
all
of
them.
However,
covin
19
and
George
Floyd
have
changed
everything
in
2016.
100
million
Americans
did
not
vote
in
the
presidential
election
nonno.
It's
imperative
that
those
Americans
vote
I
believe
rank-choice
voting
can
help
address
voter
apathy.
Bring
choice.
H
Voting
allows
a
broader
array
of
candidates
to
enter
into
an
election.
An
expensive
low
turnout
primary
is
eliminated
in
rcv
Women
non-whites.
All
interested
candidates
can
enter
a
race.
They
don't
need
deep
pockets
just
to
get
on
the
ballot.
Then,
during
the
actual
election,
a
voter
ranks
or
choices.
Her
first
choice
will
be
the
candidate
of
her
heart,
the
one
she
thinks
will
be
best,
but
she
knows
that
if
that
candidate
does
not
win
a
majority
that
her
vote
will
pass
on
to
her
second
choice
and
so
forth.
H
There
is
no
such
thing
as
throwing
away
her
bolt
those
hundred
million
non
voters.
They
didn't
vote
in
2016
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
No
doubt,
however,
many
simply
thought
why
bother?
It
won't
make
a
difference
anyway.
Rank-Choice
voting
can
help
make
the
difference.
So
many
want
to
see
not
only
in
the
nation,
but
in
the
city
of
Bloomington
change
will
come
if
more
people
find
value
in
voting
people
of
all
colors
and
all
socio-economic
levels.
H
If
I
see
if
I
know
there
is
a
real
possibility
to
change
the
status
quo,
then
I
will
vote
Americans
by
the
hundreds
of
thousands
have
spoken
these
last
week.
A
central
issue
that
has
come
to
the
forefront
is
voting.
Americans
must
go
to
the
polls
and
vote.
Rank-Choice
voting
is
one
way
to
make
higher
voter
turnout
a
reality.
We
cannot
afford
to
miss
this
opportunity.
H
G
G
A
G
I'm
nan
Corliss
I'm
a
Bloomington
resident,
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
comment
today
on
ranked
choice.
Voting
I've
been
an
election
judge
for
over
10
years
and
worked
both
primary
and
the
November
elections
and
I've
come
to
see
that
the
time
and
labor
commitment
involved
in
these
elections
and
the
low
turnout
of
the
primary
elections
is
quite
a
problem.
I
have
seen
the
difficulty
in
recruiting
enough
election
judges
for
both
these
elections.
G
So
if
we
eliminate
one
of
them
the
primary,
perhaps
maybe
there
would
be
less
of
a
trouble
getting
election
judges
and
there
would
be
a
greater
turnout
for
the
November
election.
Ranked
choice.
Voting
will
attract
more
diverse
group
of
candidates,
I
believe
and
I
also
believe
that
it
would
cause
the
candidate
to
get
to
know
the
voters
in
a
deeper
way,
because
each
one
of
them
has
a
chance.
They
know
they'll
be
ranked,
and
each
one
of
them
has
a
chance
to
make
an
impression
on
the
voters.
I
think
oftentimes.
G
G
G
B
H
H
C
H
We
believe
that
voting
is
how
we
choose
people
as
a
community
to
help
determine
how
to
share
and
pay
for
the
things
we
all
need,
like
food
streets
and
green
parks,
clean
water
and
good
schools,
and
so
Unitarians
believe
that
everyone
should
vote.
But
it's
our
shared
responsibility
to
care
for
the
common
good
I'm.
Speaking
from
my
faith,
foundations
and
I
think
that's
pretty
well.
In
line
with
many
many
other
people
of
faith
and
people
know
faith.
H
We
also
believe
that
every
voter
should
have
fair,
unobstructed
equal
access
to
voting
and
every
candidate
should
start
out
with
a
fair
and
equal
chance
of
being
elected,
I
think
most
Americans
believe
freedom
and
in
having
choices
so
I'm
troubled
that
there
are
voices
here
who
want
to
prevent
a
democratic
process
of
consideration
of
this
form
of
casting
our
ballots
are
CV,
because
what?
If
the
only
ice-cream
flavors
were
chocolate
versus
liver
sausage
crunch,
if
you
are
allergic
to
chocolate,
you're
really
in
trouble
there,
but
what?
If
strawberry
or
butter
pecan
were
choices
as
well?
H
We'd
all
end
up
with
strawberry.
Maybe
we
could
live
with
that
and
it
might
not
be
on
our
our
number
one
choice,
but
at
least
nobody
gets
liver
sausage
crunch
being
able
to
rank
how
we
all
feel
about
more
than
two
candidates
in
November
elections
gives
us
a
much
better
chance
of
electing
someone
we
can
feel
pretty
good
about.
H
That
then
means
that
us
it
officials
will
have
a
more
positive
and
effective
relationship
with
a
real
majority
of
voters
and
those
positive
relationships
serve
as
a
solid
foundation
for
good
government
by
the
people
of
the
people
and
scores
of
people
now
I'm
known
by
some
in
town
as
a
pretty
fundamentalist
Democrat-
and
you
know
that's
true,
but
actually
in
my
day,
I
have
voted
for
Republican
and
I
have
voted
three
Democrats,
because
I
vote
for
people
that
I
think
are
decent
and
intelligent.
Human
being
sure.
J
You
there's
one
caller
early
who
tried
to
respond,
but
couldn't
is
trying
to
call
back
in
just
one
to
make
you
aware
so
good
evening.
Turn
member
Kelly,
trans,
young,
husband
and
father
of
two
who
grew
up
here
in
Bloomington
Minnesota
been
a
resident
for
over
three
decades.
I'm
quite
concerned
about
the
heavy
responsibility
city
council
has
tasked
you
with
and
asking
you
reject
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
city
charter
on
rank-choice
voting
due
to
inadequate
debate.
Public
hearings
is
substantiate
ador,
unsubstantiated
things
on
both
sides
of
the
issue.
J
So
let
me
illustrate
why
so
recently,
very
unfortunate
circumstances
occurred
in
the
streets
of
Minneapolis,
a
city
who
elected
leaders
with
RC,
be
showing
dismal
leadership
when
I
Friday
evening
and
made
during
bonds
and
a
city
mayor
afraid
a
little
very
little
to
protect
his
residents,
businesses
or
institutions,
not
exactly
a
bastion
of
leadership.
We
wanted
Bloomington,
but
let
me
show
you
how
he
came
to
be
mayor
through
our
CV.
J
Looking
at
the
runoff
tabulations
from
the
Minnesota
elections
and
voter
services
for
mayor
in
2017,
Frei
was
finally
elected
in
the
fifth
round
over
an
original
19
candidate,
with
a
44%
non
majority
of
total
valid
ballots.
This
most
certainly
does
not
prove
that
the
winner
is
more
widely
accepted
by
residents
in
the
final
tally
of
the
2017
Minneapolis,
more
rail
race,
the
same
source
indicates
21.8%
of
all
ballots
cast
or
exhausted,
meaning
these
ballots
are
not
counted.
That's
the
only
1/4
of
all
votes
cast
the
trillion.
J
Kids
to
me
that
a
quarter
of
all
Minneapolis
boarders
would
be
a
little
disenfranchised
of
the
19th
total
I
guess
you
could
give
our
TV
credit
for
diverse
candidates,
since
Freya
ran
against
Captain
Jack
Sparrow,
an
activist
and
David
John
Wilson
over
the
rainbow
butterflies
in
unicorns
party,
as
well
as
the
7
fellow
DFL
candidate,
but
anyone
can
run
in
a
primary
system
as
well
sure
to
members.
So
far,
all
the
council's
hurt
our
positive
generalities
of
what
our
CV
might
be
able
to
offer.
C
J
To
act
on
a
one-sided
presentation
from
last
made
2019
where
I
was
cut
off,
I
may
be
unable
to
speak
their
income
public
comment
period,
while
ignoring
the
opposing
viewpoint
is
truly
a
mistake
facing
you
to
stop
this
and
alert
the
City
Council
to
do
its
basic
job
during
these
trying
times.
There's
no
component
right
now
to
change
our
voting
procedure.
Thank
you
for
hearing
me
tonight.
Thank
You.
J
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
hop
with
my
thoughts
before
you
make
the
decision
asked
of
you
tonight.
My
name
is
John
Olsen
I've
been
a
Bloomington
resident
since
2003
I'm
in
favor
of
giving
Bloomington
borders
the
opportunity
to
vote
November
3rd
and
for
all
against
using
rank-choice
voting.
My
motivation
goes
back
to
the
1970s
when
9th
graders
in
I
hate
the
teacher
studied
how
Americans
are
governed.
We
did
this
in
classes
that
were
at
the
team
called
civics.
J
15
year
olds
and
I
also
talked
about
the
election
process.
Students
were
given
extra
credit
for
attending
caucus
meetings
and
or
helping
out
with
campaign
activity.
We
talked
about
the
national
and
local
elections
after
the
results
were
in.
They
got
a
real
life
lesson
in
the
importance
of
voting
when
they
saw
some
election
results
were
delayed.
Due
to
how
close
they
were.
Some
requiring
recounts
I'm
impressed
with
the
number
of
people
in
Bloomington
to
follow
City,
Council
and
Commission
meetings.
J
I
am,
however,
saddened
and
concerned
about
how
few
both
in
primary
elections,
it
is
rare
that
more
than
10%
vote
in
primaries,
and
typically
it's
more
like
5
to
7%
I-
admit
that
5
to
10,
to
admit
that
5
to
10%
of
the
citizens
of
Bloomington
narrow
the
field
of
candidates
to
2
is
not
a
good
sign
for
us,
not
a
good
sign
for
democracy
in
our
community.
The
proposal
in
front
of
you
gives
you
the
opportunity
to
do
something
that
can
dramatically
improve
this
bad
state
of
affairs.
J
Rank-Choice
voting
removes
the
need
for
primaries
several
good
results.
Much
much
larger
number
who
vote
in
general
elections
will
have
had
the
opportunity
to
them
and
all
office
seekers.
The
election
process
will
be
shorter
relief
from
the
unnecessarily
drawn-out
length
we
currently
endure.
We
taxpayers
will
save
the
money
now
spent
on
the
August
primaries
at
a
minimum
city
staff,
tight
election
judges,
training
and
stipend
and
ballot
expenses.
J
Choice
voting
is
a
concept
that
have
been
around
for
a
long
time.
It's
becoming
more
commonly
used
across
America
in
Minnesota
I
guess
that
some
people
have
a
hard
time
giving
up
the
way.
We've
always
done
something
I
get
to
some
people
get
all
tangled
up
in
their
minds
as
they
get
into
every
conceivable.
What,
if
I
deplore
any
statements
from
either
side
of
this
issue
intentionally
spread
inaccurate
information?
J
A
Mr.
chair,
those
are
the
individuals
that
had
notified
us
in
advance
of
their
desire
to
provide
testimony
that
we
know
for
a
fact
our
Bloomington
residents
I
have
six
other
excuse
me.
Five
other
individuals
that
notified
of
us
us
in
advance
of
their
desire
to
speak
whose
residency
is
unknown
to
me.
Would
you
like
to
move
on
to
those
people
that
notified
us
an
advance,
or
would
you
like
to
go
to
general
callers
at
this
point?
Let's.
G
Okay
and
that
your
line
is
now
open.
Hello
charter.
Commission
members,
thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
to
speak
on
this
important
issue.
Today.
I'm
the
president
of
the
League
of
Women,
Voters
of
st.
Louis,
Park
and
I
would
like
to
speak
of
our
experience
with
ranked
choice.
Voting
the
League
of
Women
Voters
is
a
nonpartisan
nonprofit
organization
that
encourages
informed
and
active
participation
in
government
works
to
increase
understanding
of
public
policy
issues
and
influences
public
policy
through
education
and
advocacy
from
100
years.
G
G
We're
confident
rank-choice
voting
is
a
positive
approach
to
increase
voter
engagement
and
to
improve
voter
representation,
while
our
legislators,
with
polarization
and
gridlock
adopting
our
CV
for
our
municipal
elections,
is
a
change
that
we
can
make
following
an
exhaustive
study
of
various
election
methods
in
2005,
the
League
of
Women
Voters
Minnesota
supports
the
use
of
ranked
choice,
voting
in
local
and
state
elections,
following
advocacy
efforts
in
2017
and
2018
ranked
choice.
Voting
was
endorsed
by
the
League
of
Women
Voters,
st.
Louis
Park
Senate
districts,
46
DFL
Emma,
st.
Louis
Park
Human
Rights
Commission,
the
st.
G
Louis
Park
Charter
Commission
hosted
an
expert
channel
and
the
listening
session
as
they
considered
ranked
choice.
Voting
resident,
Judy
Cook
said
that
we
use
the
same
process
with
when
choosing
an
ice
cream
cone
residents
got
Peterson
said
our
CV
is
a
dream
come
true.
The
st.
Louis
Park
Charter
Commission
voted
for
favorable
review
of
rank-choice
voting.
Our
st.
Louis
Park
City
Council
then
unanimously
voted
in
favor
of
ranked
choice.
Voting
last
year,
st.
Louis
Park
held
its
first
rcv
election
I
was
a
candidate
for
City
Council
on
that
ballot.
We
appreciate
that
change
takes
effort.
G
Thankfully
we
were
able
to
leverage
the
experience
in
Minneapolis
and
st.
Paul
to
create
a
plan
to
mitigate
concerns
or
complications.
Exit
polling
shows
that
92%
of
Minneapolis
voters
find
our
CV
simple
and
easy
to
use
85
percent
of
voters
in
st.
qualified
RGV,
simple
and
easy
use
these
percentages
and
continue
to
increase
each
year.
Education
plays
a
key
role
in
those
high
percentages.
Our
st.
Louis
Park
staff
did
a
terrific
job
of
training
and
communication
in
preparation
of
our
election.
G
One
of
the
highlights
was
a
partnership
with
Johnny
pop
at
the
summer
particular
League
of
Women
Voters,
st.
Louis,
Park
and
Faribault
Minnesota
supported
the
city
education
at
the
grassroots
level.
As
a
candidate,
when
I
campaigned,
door-to-door
I
found,
our
residents
were
overwhelmingly
supportive.
Our
over
the
RCV
process.
There
was
no
negative
campaigning
and,
while
I
did
not
win,
I
think
come
in
second
place.
The
second
choice
votes
provide
various
treatment,
insight.
B
G
B
G
C
G
Okay,
thank
you,
hello
charter
members.
My
name
is
amber.
Bernhardt
and
I've
lived
in
Bloomington
pretty
much
my
whole
life
and
calling
in
this
evening
to
let
my
voice
be
heard
in
total
opposition
to
ranked
choice.
Voting
this
way
of
voting
in
my
opinion,
is
a
complete
scam.
Here
are
my
reasons
why
I
say
this
one:
it
compromises
my
vote
when
I
go
to
the
voting.
Booth
I
wanted
to
be
clear
and
easy
and
I
want
to
know
that
my
vote
counts.
One
choice
equals
one
vote
with
rank-choice
voting.
G
We
have
residents
have
no
idea
if
our
vote
will
be
counted
or
if
it
will
be
simply
thrown
out
number
two
why
our
outside
influences
like
Faribault
Minnesota
meddling
with
our
elections.
It
has
come
to
my
attention
that
some
of
our
city,
council,
members
and
mayor
have
had
their
campaigns
funded
by
these
people
in
exchange
for
their
push
to
ram
ranked
choice.
Votes
excuse
me
rank
choice,
voting
down
Bloomington
residents
growth.
This
is
not
okay.
Three
ranked
choice.
Voting
is
not
essential
business.
G
B
G
Name
is
Jane
Murphy
and
I'm.
The
executive
director
of
Sara
moment
is
so
tough.
We
are
statewide
nonprofit
and
nonpartisan
organization
that
seeks
to
protect
Minnesota's
elections
and
strengthen
our
democracy
for
future
generations,
I'm
also
an
election
judge.
Our
organization
has
spoken
with
hundreds
of
thousands
of
Minnesotans
about
ranked
choice
voting
and
how
it
can
improve
local
elections
by
lowering
administrative
costs
and
powering
voters
with
more
choice
and
more
voice,
encouraging
greater
consensus
in
civility
and
ensuring
that
winners
are
broadly
supported
by
borders
without
the
need
for
an
extra
bonus
election.
G
In
the
past
decade,
brain
choice
voting
has
been
adopted
in
a
growing
number
of
cities
across
the
United
States
from
large
cities
like
New
York
cities
to
small
cities
like
st.
Louis
Park,
which
you
just
heard
and
successfully
implemented
brain
choice
voting
in
2019
for
their
millions
of
fill
elections.
Now
more
than
20
cities
are
using
for
our
slated
use,
ranked
choice.
Voting
across
the
country
and
dozens
more
are
exploring
making
a
switch
to
this
system.
G
The
state
of
Maine
now
offer
users
Ranger,
including
the
statewide
primary
and
congressional
elections,
and
more
states
are
looking
to
adopt,
ranked
or
including
statewide
and
none
of
the
city
for
a
choice.
Voting
is
used
our
voters
or
election
administrators
looking
to
go
back
to
their
old
voting
systems.
That's
because
our
city
is
popular
among
voters
who,
like
having
more
voice
and
reign
choice.
Voting
has
been
use
across
the
country
at
a
scale
which
election
administrators
have
ample
access
to
resources
and
technology
to
implement
the
system
successfully
and
with
full
confidence.
G
You
may
know
that
congressional
number
being
Phillips
has
recently
introduced
federal
legislation
to
provide
additional
federal
resources
for
cities
and
states
that
are
making
the
transition
to
Raintree.
Some
more
cities
are
persuaded
by
the
variety
of
benefits.
Rancher
Authority
has
demonstrated
in
cities
when
to
use,
including
higher
voter
turnout,
more
diversity
of
candidates
and
winners,
more
simple
campaigns,
one
less
election
to
administer
and
elected
leaders
representing
a
broad
majority
of
voters
in
their
communities.
G
That's
the
first
ranked
recoding
election
in
Minnesota.
There
have
been
more
than
five
hundred
and
forty
five
thousand
ranked
ballots
that
have
been
successfully
cast
to
determine
winners
in
a
hundred
and
two
municipal
races
with
374
candidates
in
these
cities.
In
other
words,
there
has
been
a
vast
degree
of
experience
now
with
rank
choice,
voting
and
it
is
very
proven.
G
Nearly
90
percent
of
voters
choose
to
rank
more
than
one
candidate
on
their
ballot
in
most
of
the
races
and
over
90
percent,
consistently
express
their
preference
for
the
system
and
their
satisfaction
with
using
resource
coding
in
st.
Louis
Park
last
year.
Would
you
just
heard
voter
turnout
increased
by
nearly
50%
in
the
November
election
up
from
sure.
E
G
E
B
G
J
Great
thank
you
for
having
me
speak
tonight,
I'm
a
former
Bloomington
resident,
having
lived
there
for
for
two
decades,
but
I'm
calling
because
I'm
very
familiar
with
her
joy
for
choice.
Voting
and
I,
like
this
directly
speak
to
you
church
mission,
people
I
just
heard
the
Minnetonka,
where
I
now
live
the
Charter
Commission
speak
mystery
topic.
The
fearful
voting
is
there
and
mr.
Ellen
gore
from
you
know
him.
He
expressed
this
comment.
I'd
like
you
to
put
in
your
in
your
heads
per
minute.
He
asked
the
other
character.
J
Members
quote:
ask
yourself:
what
is
our
CV
supposed
to
fix?
Ask
yourself
what
is
our
CDs
supposed
to
fix
border
turnout,
well,
studies
in
Duluth
and
I'm
from
Duluth
originally
and
st.
Paul
has
not
increased
voter
turnout.
So
that's
a
fact.
We
heard
a
lot
of
these
terrible
people
say
a
lot
of
generality
is
how
great
it
is.
But
the
fact
is,
the
number
one
voting
group
in
Bloomington
are
the
senior
voters.
They
represent
the
largest
voting
bloc
in
Bloomington
and
their
votes
will
be
jeopardized
by
our
city.
Contrary
what
things
said
by
turbulent
Minnesota?
J
How
do
I
know
I'm
80
years
old
and
I?
Have
friends
in
the
70
to
85
age
bracket
and
I've
explained
our
CV
to
him,
as
others
have
on
numerous
occasions,
and
they
still
don't
not
comprehend.
What's
going
on?
So
that's
a
big
factor.
That's
a
big
boating
block
for
you
for
your
folks
and
no
matter
how
clear
the
instructions
are.
J
Voting
about
four
years
ago
they
chose
they
can
take
only
137
percent
of
the
vote
and
then
winner,
who
has
a
fork
personally
end
up
winning
and
he's
quoted
in
paper
as
advocating
for
duels
and
compared
the
IRS
to
good
Gestapo.
And
lastly,
let's
talk
about
Alaska
the
headlines
in
Alaska
newspaper
was
RCB
failed
to
bruise,
true
majority
winners,
because
the
RCP
system
exhausts
voter
ballots.
J
G
A
C
H
H
We've
seen
a
shift
that
favors
and
empowers
the
voter,
because
candidate
back
if
they
can
secure
the
voter,
second
or
even
third,
rank
if
they
can't
be
first,
we've
said
increased
use
of
ranked
options
used
on
the
ballot
we've
seen
more
competitive,
races
up
and
down
with
more
candidates
in
all
races
on
the
ballot
and
the
results
have
been
a
more
diverse
body
of
policymakers,
one
of
the
most
diverse
the
city's
ever
had.
In
fact,
today
we
have
both
one
of
the
oldest
council
members
and
the
youngest
on
record,
serving
on
the
same
body.
H
There's
a
good
mix
of
individuals
representing
diverse
indicators
for
both
race,
ethnicity,
economic
status,
education,
religious
affiliation,
professional
grounds,
experience
and
and
more
and
as
for
voter
turnout.
Well,
we've
seen
our
voter
engagement
try
to
increase
year
after
year
of
the
last
three
cycles
using
our
CV.
In
fact,
in
2017
we
achieved
a
41
percent
voter
turnout
which
for
context
is
comparable
to
the
turnout
we
would
expect
to
achieve
in
a
midterm
gubernatorial
election.
H
Finally,
in
your
role
of
Charter,
Commission
I
would
say
to
you.
It
is
entirely
appropriate
to
submit
this
question
to
your
voters.
After
all,
government
begins
at
the
ballot
box,
and
it
should
be
a
matter
for
voters
to
decide
the
type
and
form
of
government
they
wish
to
have
for
themselves
and
how
that
system
has
chosen.
It's
entirely
appropriate
to
give
all
of
your
voters
an
equal
voice
and
that
decision
by
referring
the
question
to
the
ballot
box.
H
My
purpose
in
speaking
to
you
tonight
was
to
express
my
support
for
your
city's
efforts
to
consider
rank-choice
voting
and
to
ensure
you
that
my
office
stands
ready
to
support
and
provide
any
resources
or
assistance.
Bloomington
might
need,
as
well
as
my
colleague,
Janet
Lewis,
who
is
well
respected
amongst
all
clerks
from
the
state.
We
would
want
you
to
have
a
successful
implementation
should
that
proposal
be
approved
and
are
eager
to
help.
Thank
you
for
the
time
Thank.
B
A
J
Members,
my
name
is
Colton
crane
born
and
raised
in
Bloomington
elemen
tonight,
I'm
asking
the
Commission
to
reject
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
city
charter
on
rank-choice
voting,
mainly
because
the
city
has
not
done
his
job
to
adequately
vet.
All
the
claims
made
by
supporters
of
RC
v,
the
city
charter
is
Bloomington's
constitution,
changing
the
way
we
vote
in
our
community
cannot
be
taken
lightly
or
rushed.
J
In
our
view,
there
should
not
be
pushed
to
the
November
20
2008
would
help
further
further
public
discussions
and
debate
for
the
staff.
Briefing
timing
was
crucial
if
the
council
wanted
to
get
this
on
the
November
2020
ballot.
No
other
urgency
has
been
noted
during
the
worst
year
memory.
Saving
a
few
bucks
on
elimination
of
a
primary
is
a
myth,
I'd
like
to
take
the
opportunity
to
prove
it.
How
do
we
effectively
engage
in
a
City,
Council,
very
limited
public
comment
session
during
a
pandemic,
and
so
late
at
night?
J
This
cold
head
method
of
communication
isn't
inadequate
for
resident
feedback
councils
body
conversations
and
various
mediums
over
the
last
year
do
not
constitute
full
engagement
and
discussion
with
the
people
served
a
year
ago
in
the
may,
in
the
may
16
2019
joint
meeting,
there
was
some
discussion
on
our
CV.
The
information
was
presented
by
staff
as
to
their
perception
to
their
perception
of
the
advantages
of
our
CV,
but
no
mention
of
any
downside
to
city
or
disadvantages
to
the
voter
that
wasn't
directed
on
next
steps
for
this
discussion.
J
J
Other
organizations
were
active
during
the
summer
before
the
2019
municipal
elections,
the
League
of
Women
Voters,
along
with
Faribault
Minnesota,
hosted
several
promotional
opportunities
for
citizens
to
support,
ranked
choice,
voting
and
candidates,
and
council
members
appeared
in
support
the
Syrian.
The
seriousness
of
the
topic
for
charter
action
and
consideration
was
fleeting
at
best,
the
very
fact
the
City
Council
had
to
call
a
special
Charter
Commission
meeting,
just
Farrar
CV.
J
Instead
of
finding
solutions
for
the
residents
and
business
that
are
being
crushed
by
this
pandemic,
it's
proof
of
the
disregard
the
City
Council
has
for
the
residents
of
Bloomington.
For
these
reasons,
I
am
asking
the
Commission
to
reject
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
city
charter
on
rank-choice
voting,
mainly
because
the
city
has.
J
G
D
B
J
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
the
operator
for
your
patience
and
resolve
for
allowing
us
all
on.
I
deserve
a
great
deal
of
things
but
good
evening,
commissioners,
in
councilmember
below
that
James
lon
resident
voter
from
the
great
city
of
Bloomington
before
I
go
into
my
stance.
My
reasoning
is
based
upon
the
leadership
by
example
by
Walter
Mondale
former
president.
Excuse
me,
former
United
States
Senator
from
Minnesota
and
the
vice
president
United
States,
Walter
and
other
members
of
the
City
Council
of
Duluth
were
stood
in
opposition
to
rank-choice
voting.
J
K
J
C
G
Hey,
yes,
my
name
is
Maya
Olsen
and
I've.
H
Been
resident
of
Bloomington
for
31
years,
I
happen
to
have
volunteered
on
a
recount
effort
for
a
city
council
vote
in
2017
and
I
was
struck
by
the
number
of
voters
who
voted
for
one
candidate
when
giving
the
given
the
choice
to
vote
for
3
out
of
11
candidates
on
the
school
board,
our
CV
would
give
people
more
confidence
in
voting
for
their
second
and
third
choices,
without
worrying
about
macking
their
first
choice
out
of
the
race.
Many
of
the
arguments
that
I've
heard
are
that
our
CV
would
be
too
complicated.
H
H
Concerning
my
own
school
board
race
in
2019,
someone
against
RCD
said
to
me:
maybe
you
would
have
lost
your
school
board
race
if
there
had
been
ranked
choice.
Voting.
My
response
to
this
is
that
I
would
have
accepted
that
outcome
as
being
very
fair
and
in
fact,
if
I
decide
to
run
again
when
my
term
is
up.
I
hope
that
Bloomington
has
an
opportunity,
has
the
opportunity
to
vote
via
her
CV
and
that.
J
J
You
know,
I
am
a
citizen
of
Bloomington,
but
I
am
speaking
to
you
from
my
office
in
Minneapolis
near
the
third
Precinct
we
unboard
our
building
know
we
could
go
Monday.
Minneapolis
is
an
amazing,
powerful
and
vibrant
city
and
for
a
lot
of
people
in
the
suburbs.
It's
a
foreign
place.
They
just
don't
know
it.
You
know
this
past
election
cycle
kind
of
became
apparent
to
me
in
Bloomington
that
there
are.
There
were
a
lot
of
dog
whistles
going
on
and
some
people
are
considered
more
Bloomington
than
others.
You
know
for
me.
J
We
first
moved
off
the
farm
and
on
the
Lyndale.
Avenue
in
1967
might
have
been
68
when
I
graduated
from
Bloomington
Lincoln
in
81
I.
Couldn't
leave
fast
enough
to
expand
my
horizons
and
see
all
kinds
of
other
places:
East
Coast
to
West
Coast
and
Arctic
Circle
to
an
Arctic
Circle.
But
I
can
remember
how
much
I
loved
Bloomington
and
in
1995
I
returned
to
Bloomington
for
two
reasons.
One
the
love
of
my
life
and
second
Bloomington
is
an
awesome
place.
J
J
J
They'll
have
plenty
of
time
to
say
why
rank-choice
voting
is
bad
and,
of
course,
it's
fine.
It's
very
interesting
to
hear
that
the
pandemic
is
an
issue
that
it
seems
to
me.
A
lot
of
people
against
rank-choice
voting
also
are
not
so
sure
that
this
Kovach
things
even
real
to
begin
with,
or
that
our
restrictions
against
they're,
so
harsh,
so
just
give
us
a
chance.
Please
give
us
a
chance,
as
Bloomington
voters,
to
make
a
decision
whether
we
want
to
go
with
rank-choice
voting
or
not.
Thank
you
so
much
for
this
opportunity.
G
H
K
B
H
I,
don't
know
what
evasion
home
here,
but
it's
running
later
than
I
thought
continue
talk
over
Mike,
okay
number
one.
The
Bloomington
citizens
have
not
received
a
thorough
review
or
discussion
of
this
charter
pros
and
cons
from
the
city
leaders
and
number
two,
although
I
originally
had
no
position
one
way
or
another
about
this
issue,
I
started
researching
the
claims
made
by
rcv
supporters.
The
many
claims
did
not
match
up
to
the
extensive
RTV
election
research
and
studies.
I
want
to
talk
about
the
city,
citizen,
engagement
or
the
lack
thereof.
H
We
need
to
go
back
to
almost
a
full
year
ago
on
May
16
2009
teen.
During
a
study
meeting,
when
this
topic
was
presented
to
the
council.
Upon
completion
of
that
meeting,
the
former
mayor
and
additional
council
members
asked
for
more
follow-up
information.
There
is
no
information,
there's
no
evidence
that
this
promise
of
information
is
followed
through
on
and
then
we
fast
forward
a
year
later
to
April
20th,
2020
council
meeting
and
the
council
members
are
asking
the
city
attorney
how
to
best
expedite
this
process
to
the
Charter
Commission.
H
There's
no
discussion
at
all
in
the
pros
and
cons
or
merits
of
this
Charter
to
citizens.
No
discussion
on
costs
or
key
information
to
provide
citizens
to
be
informed.
Citizens
deserve
better
because
and
I'd
like
you
to
consider
when
this
all
happened.
It
happened
during
the
Coco's
19
and
when
you
think
about
the
challenges
facing
the
residents
think
about
it.
This
way
it's
a
world
wide
pandemic.
All
our
personal
lives
are
changed
immediately,
including
businesses
shut
down
protecting
family
members.
H
How
we
manage
work
during
a
pandemic,
how
we
provide
schooling
for
children,
shopping
shortages
for
foods
and
supplies
along
with
this,
is
an
economic
claps
record
unemployment.
Business
is
closing
exploding,
budget
shortfalls
with
state
and
city
budgets,
decreasing
an
elimination
of
city
service
and
possible
huge
property
tax
increases.
Then
we're
going
to
add
one
more
layer
on
to
this.
H
With
the
recent
events
witnessing
the
recent
tragic
killing
of
the
Minneapolis
citizens,
George
Floyd,
the
worldwide
protests,
especially
those
in
Minneapolis
close
to
home,
including
the
burning
and
looting
of
businesses,
homes
and
shops,
the
curfew
in
the
discussions
of
funding
and
dismantling
a
police
department.
So,
where
would
the
rcv
charter
amendment
rank
in
the
bloomington
citizens
mind
as
this
being
important,
especially
when
concern
and
uncertainty
uncertainty
fill
their
minds
with
ongoing
and
growing
pandemic
and
economic
collapse?
I
would
like
to
talk
to
you,
then
about
some
research
and
just
share
to
you
three
points.
H
Our
city
claims
safe
cities,
election
cost
in
the
2012
RCB
election
Minneapolis
spent
1,700,000,
the
our
our
CV
process
cost
Minneapolis
five
times
as
much
as
the
traditional
way,
a
plurality
voting
Minneapolis
made
up
the
shortfall
of
385,000
in
2013
by
not
hiring
vacant
staff
positions.
We
don't
have
that
luxury
that
happens
and
the
many
of
a
City
Councilmember
didn't
who
also
chaired
the
Elections
Committee
and
was
also
an
early
RTV
advocate,
stated
I
wish
to
claim
the
election
saving
to
not
been
used
by
RCB
advocates
last
time,
they're
still
dating
the
same
fault.
Clinton.
J
Right,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Jim
Bowen
I'm,
a
Bloomington
resident,
eight
zero,
eight
three
Kentucky
circle
and
I'm
opposed
to
putting
RC
V
on
the
November
ballot.
It
is
a
major
distraction
from
tackling
the
huge
problems
that
resulted
from
the
Cova
19
virus.
We
need
all
our
time
to
focus
on
recovery
from
the
economic
haven't
havoc
that
cement
wreak
right
a
pandemic
we're
facing
facing
some
we're
up
to
17
million
dollar
budget
shortfall.
J
It
makes
no
sense
to
dilute
the
city's
focus
and
spend
extra
resources
on
our
CV
during
this
time
and
second
I
guess,
in
spite
of
all
the
wonderful
sound
of
advantages
claimed
by
the
RCD
proponents,
the
results
are
at
best
mixed
and
there
are
for
every
every
claim
that
they
have
come
up
with
tonight.
I
found
in
my
research
that
there
there
are
lots
of
negatives.
Let
me
give
a
couple
examples.
J
First,
one
is
that
our
CD
promotes
majority
support.
Well,
even
with
our
CV,
you
often
fail
to
get
a
candidate
with
a
majority
of
the
vote.
I
fail
to
understand
how,
if
I
rank
a
candidate
as
number
four
or
five,
and
that
person
wins
how
how
I'm
supporting
that
candidate,
a
1
2015
study
on
for
our
CV
elections
in
Washington
State
in
California,
found
no
winners
with
a
majority
vote
and
in
any
of
those
four
elections.
J
Another
one
of
the
claims
is
that
promotes
reflective
representation
that
somehow
using
our
CD
allows
a
more
diverse
group
of
voters
to
elect
candidates
of
choice
with
diverse
political
views,
backgrounds
and
demographics.
Ie,
our
CV
can
promote
representation
of
historically
underrepresented
voting
groups
and
I.
J
If
you
think
about
it,
it
that
makes
absolutely
no
sense,
especially
in
a
single
you
know,
single
winter
elections
that
it
just
doesn't
make
sense,
which
I'm
trying
to
understand
how
how
that
would
work
now,
I
can
understand
if
it
was
somehow,
rather
than
a
multi
winter
election,
there
might
mean
more
groups
that
would
participate
and
somehow
or
other
be
able
to
rise
up.
But
my
real
concern
is
that
there
isn't
been
any
sort
of
what
I
would
I
would
consider
to
be
a
valid
objective.
Look
at
this
from
from
the
city
of
Bloomington
perspective.
J
My
background
is
project
management.
You
see,
you
understand
something
you
have
to
develop
a
cost
in
a
schedule
and
understand
what
the
proposed
benefits
are.
I
haven't
seen
that
for
this,
this
is
a
pig
in
a
poke
and
I.
Think
there's
there's
there's
been
a
lack
of
leadership
management
as
far
as
as
far
as
this
whole
process.
Thank
you
thank.
G
C
B
G
Thank
you,
yes,
I
actually
have
lived
in
Bloomington
for
20
years
and
I
have
been
very
active
in
the
community.
I
also
ran
an
election
in
which
there
were
12
candidates.
I
ended
up
working
as
hard
as
possible.
I
was
an
unknown
person
and
I
worked
hard,
I
went
up
and
down
Street
I
went
as
far
as
I
could
to
meet
people,
and
I
was
one
of
four
candidates
that
were
elected
and
I
even
beat
out
an
incumbent.
G
It
takes
a
lot
of
work
and
that's
how
you
get
elected,
I
off
and
because
some
of
the
people
have
the
saying.
Oh
well,
these
other
people
don't
have
a
chance.
Well,
you
have
to
work
hard.
The
other
thing
is
I'm
wondering
why
does
Bloomington
need
rank-choice
voting?
What
election
problems
for
such
a
change
to
our
charter?
Our
Constitution,
when
I
did
research
on
a
unbiased
fact-finding
mission.
I
found
ballotpedia,
which
I've
gone
to
in
the
past,
to
get
information.
G
They
did
a
review
of
rank-choice
voting
and
it
ends
up
that.
The
information
we've
been
receiving
tonight
would
make
one
think
that
this
is
being
the
nation
when
an
Shu
ality.
There
are
only
13
states
that
allow
this
for
municipal
elections
and
only
one
that
allows
it
for
federal
and
state
of
eleven
states
that
allow
it
for
municipalities.
G
There
are
actually
only
twenty-one
cities
that
have
adopted
rank-choice
voting,
all
those
that
have
adopted
it.
Only
thirteen
cities
have
implanted
it
among
them
is
New
York
City
it
it
adopted
it,
but
it
has
not
implemented
it.
It
makes
you
wonder
why
they
haven't
implemented.
Perhaps
there's
things
that
aren't
there
like
on
our
city
website
I
was
told
it
would
be
there
to
educate
us.
The
mayor's
said
it
would
be,
I
went
to
it,
it
has
no
cons,
it
only
has
pros,
and
it's
very
limited,
therefore
I,
think
and
I
know.
G
Other
voters
would
think
the
same
way.
You
don't
have
enough
information.
The
other
thing
is:
why
are
these
other
places
not
implementing
it?
If
someone
also
mentioned
that
Dean
Phillips
was
asking
for
funding
from
the
federal
government
in
order
to
implement
it,
doesn't
that
tell
you
that
it's
beyond
the
cost
of
what
we
normally
use
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
questions
and
I.
Think
some
of
those
arguments
actually
do
not
hold
water
and,
where
we've
been
told
information
of
how
many
thousands
of
people
they've
talked
to
some
three.
E
B
B
G
J
You
so
much
as
a
community
organizer,
African
immigrant
and
tell
us
residency
of
permit
on
my
wife
and
I
on
my
three
children.
I
rested
here
and
I
would
like
to
see
city
leaders
work
with
residents
to
make
changes
that
will
make
our
city
a
better
place
for
people
of
color.
For
example,
the
City
Council
and
the
Charter
Commission
are
considered
blanket
choice.
Voting
on
the
ballot
for
voters
in
November,
I
hope
they
do
and
I
hope
it
passes.
J
Actually
we
can
help
you
improve
this
representation
of
people
of
color
and
the
issue
they
care
about
it.
It
eliminates
the
low
turnout,
local
primary
and
encouraging
new
diversity
candidate
histogram
and
have
their
voices
heard
through
November,
when
poor
turnout
is
higher
and
web
divers.
Other
cities
using
activity
have
seen
increases
in
diversity,
candidates
and
border
bastards.
Patient
I
hear
people
say
LCD
is
not.
Confusion
is
confusing.
J
A
C
C
B
C
F
So
I
think
of
questions
that
come
to
us
a
kind
of
being
of
two
different
forms.
There
are
questions
that
are
destined
for
kind
of
the
seven,
both
acoustic
process
at
the
City,
Council
and
I.
Think
with
those
we
have
a
pretty
high
bar
to
make
sure
that
those
that
those
sorts
of
changes
in
our
assessment
meet
the
will
of
the
voters
in
the
sea
but
be
proposed
here,
isn't
that
sort
of
change?
F
What
we're
being
asked
is
working
yes
to
put
something
on
the
ballot,
which
means
basically,
what
we're
being
asked
to
do
is
kind
of
assess
whether
there's
enough
support
in
the
community
for
us
to
put
this
on
the
ballot
for
voters
to
consider
and
for
voters
to
make
the
decision
about
whether
this
particular
proposal
should
be
adopted.
So
personally,
I
don't
think
it's
necessary
to
to
form
an
opinion
about
mine
choice,
voting
in
order
to
put
it
on
the
ballot.
F
B
B
A
K
Second,
question
I
think
is
more
conceptual
as
I
understand
it
from
the
chair
and
from
many
of
the
comments.
The
question
is
not
whether
we
agree
or
disagree
with
rank-choice
voting,
but
whether
should
be
submitted
to
the
voters
for
their
decision.
If
I
look
at
the
draft
of
the
motion,
though,
and
I
think
as
I
heard,
the
motion,
the
draft
of
the
motion
is
that
the
Charter
Commission
approves
the
amendment
rather
than
approves
the
submission
of
the
amendment
to
the
voters.
So
I'm
wondering
whether
or
not
the
procedural
status
is
is
correct
here.
E
Chair
and
commissioners,
the
ordinance
that's
attached
to
the
resolution
before
you
for
consideration
tonight
is
an
ordinance
requesting
voter
approval
to
amend,
chapter
4
and
then
the
effective
date
of
that
ordinance
states
that
this
ordinance
shall
be
in
full
of
force
and
in
fact,
30
days
from
the
date
of
the
2020
state.
General
election.
So
long
as
51%
of
the
votes
cast
are
in
favor
of
the
adoption
of
the
charter.
Amendment
set
forth
in
sections
1
through
3
of
this
ordinance,
then
in
accordance
with
States
state
statutes,
and
then
it
lists
the
specific
statutes.
E
B
E
K
E
K
C
I
I
We
all
recognize
that
we
get
more
voters
at
time
and
if
it
ends
up
that
we
have
to
wait
four
years,
but
at
least
two
years
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
Like
I,
say
I,
just
don't
think
it's
that
important
an
issue
for
our
city
at
this
time,
even
though
I
like
this
so
far
as
what
I've
heard
and
understand,
I
lean
towards
it,
that's
it.
I
I
Don't
see
that
rank
choice,
voting
halls
and
either
of
those
characterizations
and
I
may
be
a
very
old-fashioned
type
of
person,
but
I
believe
strongly
that
a
person
or
in
this
case
a
city's
word,
is
how
you
develop
trust
between
parties
that
meaning
the
city
and
its
residents.
So
because
of
that,
and
without
making
con
meant
to
the
points
of
expressed
by
the
many
people
which,
interestingly
or
not,
our
residents
came
out
13
and
13
by
my
count,
I.
B
C
B
C
Adopted
it
and
I'm
not
so
sure
that,
however,
with
that
said,
is
that
I
kind
of
look
at
this
as
somewhat
of
a
horse
race?
We
got
two
parties
to
it.
One
group
that
is
passionate
about
rank-choice
voting
and
the
other
group
is
going
to
link
to
the
game.
So
it's
kind
of
like
letting
the
one
horse
out
and
they're
at
the
ring,
and
you
know
we
got
five
buns
for
the
other
side
ketchup
so
because
of
that
I
am
NOT
going
to
support.
K
K
K
B
D
Thank
you,
and
at
this
point
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
the
motion.
I,
don't
feel
it's
the
appropriate
time.
I
do
think
at
some
point.
It
should
go
before
a
vote,
but
again,
for
reasons
also
stated
previously:
it's
not
an
essential
part
of
what
the
city
should
be
doing
and
as
well.
Things
are
opening
we're,
certainly
where
we're
sitting
is
not
in
City
Hall
in
front
of
a
public
hearing
either
and
I
would
venture.
Even
though
things
are
opening
people
still
have
many
other
things
on
their
plate
to
to
consider
I.
D
Think
it's
poor
timing,
I
think
the
commentary
about
people
being
well
aware
of
this
are
I.
Think
perhaps
those
those
individuals
and
certainly
our
our
council
might
be
misinformed
if
they
think
that,
because
of
discussions
and
so
forth
of
two
years
and
the
reference
that
the
Charter
has
had
it
in
discussion
for
one
year,
I,
don't
think
one
night
and
then
again
a
year
later
is
enough
to
make
that
decision.
I,
don't
have
any
compelling
reason
to
support
it.
D
At
this
time,
I've
tried
to
listen
with
an
open
mind,
but
yet
the
the
reasons
for
are
there
are
spoken
and
generalities
without
supporting
information,
I've
heard
enough,
contrary
and
the
other
side.
That
would
raise
a
question
really
as
to
what
whether
there
is
any
savings
or
additional
income
reason
to
move
to
something
like
that
in
a
system
that
doesn't
seem
inappropriate
at
this
time.
So
at
this
point,
I
would
be
not
supporting
the
motion.
C
I
As
I
participated
in
that
vote,
I
would
like
to
provide
you
some
insight,
since
I
did
vote
for
it
to
go
to
the
Charter
Commission.
My
motivations
to
vote
to
send
it
to
the
Charter
Commission
was,
is
that
it
appeared
that
it
was
not
giving
a
fair
and
open
hearing
and
my
estimation
in
front
of
council
and
that
we
had
a
very
few
participants
in
the
public
hearing.
As
a
result,
it
seemed
like
the
best
option
to
be
as
far
as
hearings
goal
is
as
to
present
it
to
the
Charter
Commission.
I
I
I
Perspective
of
what
they
did
and
why
they
did
it
and
more
or
less,
promoting
it
and
I,
don't
think
there
has
been
a
fair
hearing
for
the
other
division
other
than
tonight,
and
I
certainly
believe
that
colvett
presents
a
great
impediment
while
I
look
at
it.
Just
from
a
personal
perspective,
if
I
get
people
coming
to
my
door
today,
frankly,
I
do
not
go
to
the
door
to
answer
the
door.
I
D
Things
and
and
I
did
listen
to
that.
The
the
council
meeting
and
and
mr.
bull
elders
comments
on
their
we're
well
founded
and
even
though
tonight
there
were-
and
that
was
a
very
late
evening
meeting
and
the
comments
were
made,
that
the
hearing
could
continue,
knowing
that
we
were
having
a
Charter
Commission.
So
yes,
so
they're
more
residents
able
to
speak
in
that
regard,
but
we're
still
not
in
the
setting
where
everybody
is
feeling
that
they
aren't
able
to
make
the
voice
known.
D
A
Thank
you,
mister
chair,
just
is
the
author,
the
co-author
of
that
staff
memo.
If
I
could
clarify
the
tended
message,
a
little
bit
there
would
be
staff
would
foresee
two
levels
of
education.
One
would
be
if
the
collective
wisdom
of
the
Charter
Commission
and
the
council
were
to
put
it
on
the
ballot.
Then
the
city
has
a
responsibility
to
provide
factual
information
about
it.
We
cannot
advocate
for
or
against
the
adoption
of
a
ballot
question,
but
we
can
put
out
factual
information
that
would
take
place
from
the
time
that
it
was
decided.
A
It
was
going
on
the
ballot
until
Election
Day
and
then
pending
the
outcome
on
Election
Day.
If
it
were
in
fact
adopted
by
the
voters,
we
would
have
12
months
until
the
municipal
general
election
in
November
of
2021
to
help
voters
by
saying
this
is
what's
going
to
be
done
and
here's
how
you
complete
a
ballot
in
a
ranked
choice,
ballot
situation.
So
there
are
two
phases
of
Education
and
in
that
first
phase
the
city
is
very,
very
factual
and
allows
both
advocates
and
opponents
to
make
the
more
vote
yes
or
the
vote.
A
C
A
I
I'm
less
concerned,
Chris
I
appreciate
your
comments
about
a
quick
two
different
phases
of
Education,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
that
second
phase
of
Education
is
is
somewhat
entirely
secondary
to
an
electorate
going
to
the
polls
to
vote
on
something
that
they
do
or
do
not
understand
so
I'm
much
more
concerned
about
the
time
leading
up
to
the
vote.
If
that's
the
way,
that's
where
we
really
end
up
that.
C
I
Period
of
time
is
adequate
under
our
current
circumstances,
and
priorities
had
period
from
now
until
this
November
is
far
more
important
with
respect
to
the
educational
process
and
that
what
happens
the
following
year.
Well,
if
they
voted
for
something,
if
something
has
passed
that
they
didn't
understand,
voters
didn't
really
understand
it.
It
passed
anyways
and
then
we're
gonna
spend
a
year.
Educating
them.
Yeah
I
worry
about
teaching
them
out
of
them.
Mark
a
ballot
I'm
more
worried
about
them,
understanding
whether
they
should
vote
for.
I
We
should
vote
for
or
against
something
that
we
don't
fully
understand
and
again.
I
and
I
appreciate
their
councilmember
blog
is
clarification
both
that
you
took
we
don't
always
even
even
and
on
the
commission.
We
struggle
sometimes
tonight's
another
example.
We
struggle
sometimes
understanding
what
it
is
we're
supposed
to
be
voting
on
and
what
it
really
means.
I
B
I
D
Comment
and
everybody's
saying
during
this
time
it's
not
a
good
time
to
put
this
to
the
voters.
I,
actually
think
it's
a
good
time
to
put
it
in
front
of
the
voters,
because
they
have
more
time
to
actually
study
it,
because
there's
not
going
on
right
now
and
so
they'll
have
time
to
be
able
to
get
on
their
computer,
which
I
have
done
in
the
last
few
weeks,
because
you
have
more
time
to
sit
and
study
these
things,
then,
in
your
normal
life,
when
you're
running
from
one
thing
to
another.
D
That
respectfully
disagree
and
that's
just
my
perspective-
with
dealing
with
business
owners
and
so
forth,
and
just
the
time
and
the
energy,
and
how
do
we
make
pinky?
How
do
I
hire
employees
back?
How
do
I
do
this?
How
do
we
do
it
to
healthcare?
How
do
I
deal
with
staffing
so
so
many
other
issues
facing
citizens
that
are
just
overwhelming
for
people
that
adding
something
else
I,
don't
think
is
appropriate
time,
but
I.
C
One
comment
closing
based
upon
the
emails
that
I've
received
from
the
group
that
is
advocated
very
well-organized,
very
articulate
is
that
my
concern
is
making
sure
that
both
sides
we
had
adequate
time
to
to
get
out
and
present
their
case
in
hours.
I.
Just
don't
think
it's
there
right
now
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
a
fair
plane.
B
C
C
B
B
E
B
E
I'm
sorry
I
was
tabulating
votes
when
listening
and
I
know
that
we've
just
adjourned,
but
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
this
group
know
that
I
will
be
conveying
the
message
to
the
City
Council
it's
in
the
one
weekly,
which
is
this
Friday
and
letting
them
know
England
and
then
providing
some
information
about
possible
next
steps.
At
this
point
there
hasn't
been
any
action
by
the
by
the
Charter
Commission.
There
hasn't
been
an
approval
or
a
rejection.
C
B
My
apologies
for
that
my
dad
okay,
so
I
will
now
call
to
order
recall
to
order
the
meeting
of
the
Bloomington
Charter
Commission
I.
Don't
believe
that
requires
any
kind
of
vote
so
on.
C
I
E
E
E
B
C
K
K
E
Jai
remembers
the
particular
procedural
posture
that
we're
in
in
this
in
in
the
process
that
was
started
by
the
City
Council
back
in
May
and
sent
for
your
consideration
tonight.
The
choices
that
by
state
law
you
have
before
you
is
to
approve
the
proposed
amendment
or
reject
or
substitute
provide
a
substitute
amendment,
so
I
see
that
you've
taken
action.
E
There
was
a
motion
to
approve
the
resolution
that
did
not
pass.
It
did
not
get
a
majority
and
I
can
report
that
to
the
council
that
there
was
no
action
at
the
city
at
this
charter
commission
this
evening.
However,
that
leaves
the
question
open
as
to
does
this
body
want
to
provide
a
substitute
amendment,
or
does
this
body
want
to
reject
the.
E
E
Body
may
need
to
get
back
together
or
it
may
just
not
review
it.
The
state
law
provides
60
days
for
the
Charter
Commission
to
review
the
proposed
ordinance,
and
then
it
can
extend
it
for
an
additional
90
days,
so
we're
within
that
first
60-day
period
now,
and
so,
if
there
isn't
any
action
taken
within
those
first
60
days
and
there
is
or
is
not
an
effort
to
extend
it
for
an
additional
review
period,
then
I
would
report
to
the
to
the
City
Council
that
that
period
expired
before
the
Charter
Commission
took
any
action.
B
B
I
C
E
Cheering
members,
if
I
may,
what
the
matter
of
the
action
that
was
just
voted
on
previously,
which
was
a
motion
to
approve
nothing
happens
there.
There
wasn't
an
approval
of
the
motion.
The
motion
was
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
resolution
that
was
also
before
you
rejecting
it
and
passes
there
would
need
to
be
a
subsequent
standalone
action
to
reject
because.
F
F
E
F
So
my
question
is,
you
know,
listening
to
the
conversation
and
listening
to
some
of
the
objections,
they
seem
to
be
primarily
around
time,
and
so
my
question
is
whether
we
are
able
to
either
adopt
the
council's
proposal,
but
but
adopted
in
a
form
that
is,
that
would
be
on
the
ballot
in
two
years
at
the
statewide
general
election
or
if
we
can
decline
their
proposal
and
make
a
counterproposal
it's
that
effect.
That's
within
the
power
that
we
have.
E
C
B
E
Chair
and
members
I
believe
that
you
could
offer
up
a
substitute
amendment
under
your
powers
and
an
in-state
law,
and
you
could
change
the
effective
you
could
you
could
put
that
language
in
your
resolution?
You
could
direct
me
to
draft
something
and
offer
that,
as
a
substitute
amendment
back
to
the
City
Council,
to
say
that
you
would
like
them
to
put
you
would
like
to
them.
You
would
like
them
to
amend
their
ordinance
and
change
it
instead
of
being
on
the
2020
state
election.
K
Thank
you
so
just
procedurally,
let
me
let
me
ask
this
question
for
council.
Maybe
if,
if
we
didn't
approve
the
motion,
if
we
didn't
pass
the
motion
and
now
if
we
don't
pass
this
motion,
doesn't
that
lead
to
a
report
back
to
the
City
Council
saying
the
Charter
Commission
didn't
act
and
the
City
Council
can
then
consider
other
pathways
to
accomplish
what
is
clearly
the
City
Council's
wish
on
this
rank-choice
voting.
K
E
Chair
chair,
chair
and
members
that
that
is
true
if
both
the
approval
and
the
rejection
do
not
pass
this
evening,
I
would
provide
that
report
to
the
City
Council
and
then
that
60-day
period
would
continue
to
toll
that
60-day
period.
That's
provided
for
the
Charter
Commission
review
by
state
laws,
then
the
City
Council
would
be
able
to
move
forward
with
the
other
way
that
it
can
amend
the
Charter.
K
Right
so
correct,
so
so
it's
it
strikes
me
that
it
might
be
likely
that
we're
that
we
will
have
another
five
five
votes.
So
if
we
had
another
five
five
vote,
you
would
be
able
to
report
that
to
the
council
and
the
council
would
be
able
to
deliberate
and
come
up
with
its
next
judgement
on
how
to
proceed.
K
B
E
That's
not
a
question
that
I've
researched
prior
to
this
meeting
I
would
say
that
the
chart
you
know,
based
on
the
plain
text
of
the
state
law
that
I'm
looking
at
right
now
that
60-day
clock
would
continue
to
run
and
the
Commission
could
potentially
asked
for
an
additional
90
days
by
filing
a
resolution
with
the
city
clerk
for
that
additional
time.
And
so
during
that
time,
that
the
Charter
Commission
has
to
take
action
and
review
I.
C
C
K
That
strikes
me
as
a
very
healthy
way
to
approach
it.
I
clearly
were
split
and
were
split
with
it
with
an
incomplete
membership
of
the
Charter
Commission.
If
there's
a
future
meeting
with
other
members
of
the
Charter
Commission
who
are
able
to
attend
instead
of
unable
to
attend
that
might
be
a
fuller
discussion
and
if
it's
a
joint
meeting
of
the
council
and
the
Commission,
that
too
would
be
an
opportunity
for
a
full
discussion.
C
J
E
And
we
have
ten
people
present.
There
are
fifteen
total
members.
There
is
no
specific
rule
in
your
rules
or
procedure
about
a
minimum
vote
requirement
for
adoption
of
resolutions
and
ordinances
and
in
the
absence
of
a
specific
vote
requirement,
then
it's
a
simple
the
general
rules
that
it's
a
simple
majority
on
a
tie
vote
there
was
a
tie
vote,
so
there
was
no
majority
in
that
instance
in
that
that
was
a
motion
to
approve
the
resolution
in
the
packet.
So
there
was
no
majority
achieved
on
that
tie.
Vote.
B
B
E
B
F
Iris
speckly
disagree
with
this
interpretation,
because
if
you
read
the
statute,
the
statute
allows
us
three
options.
We
can
accept
changes
from
the
council,
we
can
Rick,
we
can
affirm,
really
go
to
reject
them
or
we
can
create
alternatives
and
send
them
back,
and
the
proposed
interpretation
of
Robert's
Rules
of
Order
here
means
that
if
the
first
vote
on
something
caused
it
to
fail,
you
could
never
create
another
option.
F
Okay
and
so
I
believe
that
the
Commission
has
to
have
a
majority
to
select
one
of
those
three
options
and
if,
if
no
motion
has
enough
votes
to
pass
then
effectively,
what
ends
up
happening?
Is
the
clock
runs
out
and
that's
how
the
that's,
how
we
exit
this
process,
but
I
do
not
believe
that
a
failure
of
the
motion
to
approve
it
is
equivalent
to
a
successful
motion
to
reject
it,
because
there's
other
options
taking
I
agree.
E
K
Maybe
I
don't
need
to
say
anything
in
light
of
the
council's
agreement.
That's
that
sounds
like
the
right
approach,
but
just
to
sort
of
follow
up
on
Commissioner
Peterson's
remark:
there
are
only
three
options:
each
option
requires
a
majority,
so
that
is
what
it
is
that
there
was
a
motion
to
approve.
It
didn't
get
a
majority.
If
there's
a
motion
to
reject
which
we're
now
considering
and
does
doesn't
get
a
majority
that
doesn't
it
doesn't
pass,
that's
the
stage
for
then
a
healthier
and
fuller
discussion,
as
the
council
has
suggested,
as
alternative
pathways.
K
There's
no
reason
right
now
to
stop
this
whole
thing
and
there's
no.
You
know
that
goes
back
to
the
question
of
whether
or
not
to
prevent
the
voters
from
having
a
chance
to
decide.
There's
no
reason
to
stop
this,
because
the
discussion
can
be
fuller,
with
a
fuller
Commission
available
and
with
a
fuller
opportunity
to
discuss
this
with
the
council
and
the
Commission
combined.
K
B
B
I
If
we
vote
in
this
particular
case
rather
than
five
five,
let's
say
six
four
four:
the
motion
to
reject
the
council
proposal,
then
that's
a
more
clear
statement
where
we're
at
or
that
it's
that
there
Peterson
I,
don't
think
you
accept
that
as
fair.
If
we
reject
it,
it
goes
back
to
Council.
To
do
then
decide
to
do
something
and
they're
free
to
do
whatever
they
want.
Is
that
clear
and.
B
B
Kind
of
stall
any
other
comments.
Mr.
F
Chair
I
got
one
more
comment,
commissioner
peterson,
given
the
the
unusual
way
in
which
the
meeting
apparently
in
living
men
didn't
I'm
strongly
opposed
to
us
taking
any
action.
That's
dispositive
at
this
point
in
the
game.
The
honest
I
think
the
only
correct
action
for
us
to
do
at
this
point
is
for
the
authors
of
the
motion.
That's
currently
on
the
floor
to
withdraw
and
press
to
adjourn
and
have
another
meeting.
F
We
had
some
confusion
as
I
have
led
members
of
the
public
to
have
left
the
meeting,
because
we
affirmatively
voted
and
the
result
was
announced
that
the
meeting
was
adjourned
and
be
honest.
I
questioned
whether
we're
really
in
a
position
to
take
any
action
at
this
point,
because
it
kind
of
be
a
regular
nature
of
what
how
we
reconvene
the
meeting
and
so
in
order
to
be
fair
to
the
public.
I
think.
B
F
B
A
A
Chair,
it
would
be
up
to
the
city
attorney
to
opine
as
to
whether
or
not
you
are
in
sort
of
a
valid
session
in
which
to
take
a
motion.
But
I
can
tell
you
that
at
the
time
you
adjourn
the
meeting
I
believe
you
had
approximately
23
or
24
its
callers
or
attendees
on
the
line
you
were
down
to
19
when
commissioner
hunt
asked
the
question
and
it
just
popped
up
to
20
people,
while
I
have
been
trying
to
answer
your
question.
A
C
B
E
Chair
and
members,
if
you,
the
action
that
you
took
or
the
motion
that
did
not
pass
related
to
requesting
approval
of
the
resolution,
would
would
be
reported
to
the
council.
There
was
no
action
taken
on
that
on
that
motion.
Nothing
nothing
passed,
and
so,
if
you
took
action
to
reject
the
resolution,
that
would
also
be
reported.
If
it's
another
tie,
vote
I
would
report
that
it
didn't
pass.
It
didn't
fail,
so
yeah
I
mean
you're
still
at
the
same
place.
E
You
were
before
with
regard
to
the
irregularity
of
the
potentially
irregularity
of
the
adjournment
and
then
the
reopening
and
the
note
the
noted
change
in
listening,
listenership
I
would
that
it's
here
that
it
is
somewhat
of
a
cause
for
concern
on
my
part
I'm,
given
that
we
know
that
some
people
dropped
off
and
it
may
not
be
hearing
this.
That
doesn't
mean
that
it's
necessarily
no
longer
you
know
a
potentially
lawful
meeting.
It's
just
that.
We
know
that
we
lost
people.
E
We
know
that
people
are
interested
in
this,
so
I
have
yet
to
find
language
in
the
rules
of
procedure
about
a
thirty
second
later
reopening
of
an
adjourned
meeting.
But
I'll
continue
to
look,
but
it's
certainly
somewhat
unusual.
My
apologies
for
not
catching
that
I
was
busy
researching
another
matter.
While
you
all
were
rolling
through
there
and
then
I
realized
what
happened
and
so
I
apologize
for
not
catching
that
sooner.
B
I
E
I
C
B
B
E
E
C
K
B
C
E
B
I'll
get
right
to
you,
commissioner
Barnes,
when
we
have
had
some
recommendation
and
and
some
discussion
requesting
a
joint
meeting
with
the
City
Council
I,
don't
know
if
this
requires
a
motion
but
to
make
everybody's
intent
clear.
Do
we
have
enough
interest
in
that
as
a
potential
solution
to
this?
Where
we're
at
now
or
do
we
wish
to
leave
it,
as
is
any
comments
or
thoughts
on
that
Commission
below
got.
I
C
B
K
Think
that's
the
right
idea
as
well:
I,
don't
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we're
prepared
to
develop
a
substitute
or
alternative
motion.
I
also
think
that
is
he
not
in
a
position
to
call
a
joint
meeting
or
require
a
joint
meeting,
but
I
am
very
comfortable
with
a
notion
that
if
the
council
wants
to
have
a
joint
meeting,
I
for
one
would
surely
attend.
K
D
B
B
D
K
Well,
I
think,
that's,
that's
fine!
You
know
the
I
have
two
thoughts
on
that.
One
is
it's
not
for
us
to
say
so.
If
the
council
wants
a
joint
meeting
or
wants
to
ask
us
to
do
something
else,
the
council
is
perfectly
prepared
to
do
that.
I'd
also
say
you
know
that
this
timing
question
is
not
something
that
I
think
we
should
overdue.
The
federal
courts
are
all
proceeding
with
the
hearings.
K
The
state
court
supreme
courts
are
all
going
through
hearings
and
rendering
judgments
on
matters
that
matter
so
that
the
fact
that
we're
on
zoom'
is
not.
It
should
not
be
viewed
as
an
obstacle
to
trying
to
get
to
the
right
result
and
I.
Don't
think
that
we
need
to
take
that
path
if
we
have
something
that
we
want
to
handle,
we
can
handle
it
with
the
zoom
or
whatever.
The
platform
is
approaches,
just
like
the
other
important
members
of
our
government
are
doing
right
now,
including
the
courts.
D
F
You
thank
you
mr.
chair
first
I
just
want
to
support
what
Commissioner
belogus
said
earlier.
Is
that
I
think
this
group
needs
to
exercise
its
independent
judgment
about
this
and
I?
You
know
if
you
go
read
the
statute.
The
choices
we
are
we
have.
We
can
either
accept
it
by
a
motion.
We
can
reject
it
by
a
motion
or
we
can
create
some
sort
of
alternative.
It's
an
act
of
the
council
I
think
this
group
should
focus
on
using
its
independent
judgment
and
making
one
of
those
three
decisions
with
that.