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From YouTube: City Council Listening Session July 24, 2023
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A
Good,
it's
5,
45
I'll
call
this
listening
session
of
the
Bloomington
city
council
to
order
thanks
everybody
for
being
here.
Thank
you.
All
we
had
Bloomington
Symphony
I
think
you
you're
the
folks
who
called
in
we'll
have
you
first
up
on
the
list,
and
were
you
hoping
to
speak
this
this
evening
or
just
okay,
very
good,
then?
Yes,.
A
If
you
call
in
ahead
of
time
just
so,
we
can
make
sure
we
get
you
on
the
schedule,
but
this
will
work
just
fine,
but
please
do
please
do
and
given
the
number
we
usually
kind
of
allocate
the
time
based
on
the
number
of
folks
we
have
so,
but
we
limited
to
10
minutes.
So
it
looks
like
it's
good.
C
I
can
do
that
later.
You.
C
My
name
is
Sarah
Kleinsasser
tan
and
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
Bloomington,
Symphony,
Orchestra
and
I'm.
Here
today,
on
behalf
of
the
seven
resident
Arts
organizations
in
Bloomington,
they
include
Angelica
Canton
to
youth,
choirs,
Artistry,
Bloomington,
Corral,
Bloomington,
Symphony,
Continental,
Ballet,
Company,
medalist
concert
band
and
the
notable
singers.
These
groups
have
been
in
the
city
for
35
to
67
years,
and
we
represent
760
artists,
students
and
members.
C
We
are
all
501c3
nonprofit
organizations
that
have
distinct
missions
and
ways
we
accomplish
those.
We
have
different
audiences,
different
Staffing
models
and
different
budget
sizes
and
different
ways.
We
generate
Revenue.
Even
with
these
differences,
we
have
been
working
together
for
many
years.
These
groups
rallied
the
support
and
raised
funds
that
brought
the
vision
of
the
Bloomington
Symphony
or
the
Bloomington
Center
for
the
Arts
to
fruition.
C
Since
the
building
opened
20
years
ago
and
20
years
and
12
days
ago,
these
seven
groups
have
been
filling
the
space
with
art
gallery,
shows
theater
and
dance
performances,
musical
concerts
classes
and
activities
that
make
this
the
vibrant
space.
It
is
today,
as
resonant
arts
groups,
every
group
holds
rehearsals
in
the
city.
We
prioritize
performing
in
the
city,
but
also
take
advantage
of
invitations
and
opportunities
to
bring
Bloomington
to
other
cities,
and
that
includes
performances
at
senior
living
facilities,
parks
and
Minnesota's,
most
prestigious
performing
venues.
C
C
C
We
just
want
to
mention
to
councilmember
Carter,
who
is
not
with
us
today,
that
the
application
process
seemed
like
a
lot
for
a
five
thousand
dollar
Grant,
and
we
agree-
and
we
would
like
to
talk
more
about
that
and
council
member
lohmann.
You
asked
about
the
history
of
cultural
arts,
support
funding
and
asked
if
this
was
the
first
time
there
was
a
surplus,
and
this
is
a
recent
occurrence
before
2022.
C
All
of
the
funding
had
always
been
distributed
to
all
of
the
arts
groups,
and
so
we'd
like
to
talk
more
about
what
happens
to
the
Surplus
and
council
member
Nelson.
You
commented
about
the
amount
that
the
new
non-bloomington-based
Arts
group
received,
while
noting
the
amount
that
the
resident
Arts
organization,
the
notable
singers
received,
while
they
produced
multiple
events
in
Bloomington
in
the
past
year.
C
We
agree
with
this
observation
that
calls
for
some
more
consideration
and
conversation,
and
we
want
to
talk
more
about
that
and
one
of
the
council
members
asked
about
seeing
specific
rfps,
and
we
just
want
to
tell
you
all
that
we
would
be
happy
to
share
those
with
you
and
we
would
like
to
talk
more
about
the
RFP
process
and
criteria
for
reviewing
the
applications
so
looking
forward,
we
have
three
asks.
First,
we
would
love
to
have
the
opportunity
to
offer
feedback
and
get
clarification
on
several
parts
of
the
cultural
arts
support
funding
process.
C
We
believe
that
there
are
ways
and
reasons
to
simplify
the
process
that
maintains
the
integrity
and
the
intention
of
the
program
while
reducing
barriers
to
participation.
We
encourage
the
number
two.
We
encourage
the
council
to
maintain
the
existing
allocation
that
has
historically
been
granted
to
the
established
resident
arts
groups
to
increase
the
diversity
of
the
art
forms
that
are
being
granted
and
number
three.
C
We
would
like
the
city
council
to
allocate
all
of
the
funding
dollars
every
year,
first
to
ensure
that
this
line
item
doesn't
get
reduced
going
forward
and,
second,
to
help
support
the
Arts
in
the
city
in
a
budget
of
what
I
think
is
75
million
dollars.
This
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
budget
line
item
is
small,
but
it
makes
a
remarkable,
tangible
and
critical
difference
to
our
seven
groups.
So
we
thank
you
for
supporting,
advocating
and
investing
in
us
and
keeping
the
Arts
a
vibrant
part
of
life
in
Bloomington.
C
C
Tesla's
out
there
are
two
pages:
one
is
sort
of
a
visual
infographic
and
then
the
second
is
a
front
and
back
that
has
some
more
history
and
provides
more
context
than
than
the
one-page
document.
But
we
would
be
happy
to
sit
down
with
any
of
you
all
of
you
and
talk
more
about
this
and.
A
A
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
in
a
strong
position
as
we
continue
to
move
forward
so,
but
with
that
I
wanted
I
want
to
say
we
I
mean
we
looked
at
a
lot
of
different
things.
We
we
had
that
conversation.
You
heard
the
whole
conversation
was
a
good
and
robust
conversation
and
I
I
was
comfortable
where
we
were
at
for
this
year,
but
I
think
I
would
agree.
We
can
have
this
conversation
moving
forward
and
see
where
we
might
end
up
in
future
years.
So
yeah
Council
questions.
A
I
mean
that's
pause,
for
example,
the
feedback
on
the
forums.
I,
don't
know
that
that's
a
council
level
thing
I
mean
that's.
That's
a
staff
level
conversation
they're,
the
folks
who
kind
of
redesigned
the
the
process
a
couple
of
years
back
and
I.
Think
that
probably
makes
the
most
sense
and
we
can
find
an
opportunity
for
that.
Yeah.
E
Mr
Mayor
and
council
members,
when
we
did
that
it
was
in
consultation
with
the
council
to
make
sure
that
the
Strategic
goals
of
the
time
being
incorporated
into
the
grant
fund
of
success.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
any
organization
that
we
were
partnering
with
was
trying
was.
A
E
Sure
to
the
to
the
observation
about
maybe
like
complexity
of
the
application
or
the
the
amount
of
information
that's
asked,
given
the
amount
of
money
that
is
provided
you
know,
part
of
it
is
based
on
the
limitation
of
the
percentage
of
the
total
operating
for
the
organization,
so
that
creates
sort
of
a.
F
E
Threshold
right
there,
but
I
I,
think
the
conversation
that
we've
had
internally
is
that
we
think
that
it
still
makes
sense
to
have
criteria
that
organizations
should
be
striving
to
be
right.
Yeah
for
sure
you
know
if
we
can
meet
both
objectives,
is
try
and
simplify,
but
still
maintain
some
reasonable
criteria
that
they
can
provide
metrics
for
them.
I
think
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
because
these
are
taxpayer
dollars
that
we're
extending
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we're
doing
it
in
a
judicious
way.
F
If
I
may
add
to
that,
there
are
technical
ways
that
you
can
make
this
process
easier
for
the
people
applying
though
they
are
the
same
people
applying
year
after
year
after
year,
and
it
makes
sense
to
me
that
if
you
pull
up
their
existing
their
existing
application
from
the
prior
year
and
ask
them
only
to
change
what
they
need
to
change
the
for
the
coming
year,
you
improve
that
process
dramatically
for
people.
F
G
Okay,
I
appreciate
your
comments
and
agree
most
of
what
you
said.
I
I
do
find
particularly
that
the
application
process
for
those
folks
that
have
less
of
a
budget,
maybe
because
it
can
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense,
so
just
trying
to
square
that
in
my
mind,
I
think
customer
Carter
really
hit
on
something
that
I
hadn't
even
thought
about
with
that
process.
So
I
just
think
as
we
continue
to
look
through
our
policy
decision
making
with
this
process.
G
I'd
like
to
look
at
that
I'd
like
to
look
at
you
know
how
much
money
is
there
in
this
particular
piece
here
you
know:
what's
the
city's
cut
you
know
is
that
the
right
amount
that
we're
giving
away
should
be
more
or
less.
Is
there
a
way
to
you
know
kind
of
make
this
revolving
some
way
so
that
there's
a
dedicated
fund?
That's
sustainable,
ongoing
long-term.
G
So
those
are
just
a
few
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
dive
in
and
also
understand
by
doing
that,
I,
don't
know
what
we'll
get
all
that
done
and
I
don't
hope.
We're
not
setting
the
expectation
that
we
get
all
of
that
stuff
done
prior
to
next
year's.
If
that's
a
quick
turnaround,
I
know
we
get
that
group
that
comes
in
and
that
kind
of
thing
might
be.
My
only
concern
is
that,
rather
than
trying
to
quickly
get
it
done,
get
it
done
right
so
that
it
can
stand
the
test
of
time.
So.
D
Very
quick
mayor
and
I
don't
need
an
answer
now,
but
I
would
be
interested
in
kind
of
the
resident,
Arts
organizations
feedback.
With
regards
to
the
city
doing
the
box
office
I
know
that
there
was
discussion.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
recognizing
me.
I
didn't
think
that
was
that
famous.
B
A
And
and
as
we
started
to
just
again,
identify
yourself
for
the.
B
Rest,
my
name
is
Dale
Johnson
I.
Thank
you.
A
resident
of
Bloomington
since
May
of
last
year
I
live
on
Old
Cedar,
Avenue,
98
or
19
89,
15
old
Cedar,
Avenue
South
in
an
apartment,
building,
there's
two
buildings
on
that
property
and
that's
they're,
not
the
best.
If
I
could,
if
I
could
move
I'd,
probably
would
my
concerns
are
I
like
to
read
this
okay
and
I
commend.
B
Whoever
is
it
that
puts
these
crime
reports
in
here,
because
I
picked
one
up,
I
came
from
Hopkins
was
my
last
place
that
I
lived,
but
I've
lived
in
a
lot
of
places.
Jamie
and
I
go
back
a
ways
to
Brooklyn
Park,
but
I've
also
lived
in
Portland,
Oregon
and
Minneapolis,
so
a
lot
of
different
places,
but
the
the
the
Sun
paper
for
Hopkins
Minnetonka,
whatever
the
Sailor
or
whatever
they
don't
do
this.
B
You
guys
do
this.
That's
just
very
good
and
you
guys
like
to
have
surveys.
I,
don't
I
I
looked
at
some
of
them
and
I
still
don't
understand
exactly
who
prompts
the
surveys.
B
What's
the
reason
for
prompting
the
surveys
who
writes
the
questions
for
the
surveys,
because
the
questions
you
ask
can
be
tailored
to
get
the
result,
you
want
to
move
forward.
That
I
mean
we're
we're
old
enough
to
know
that,
but
first
concern
here
today,
I
live
in
this
little
section
over
here
called
section
number
one,
and
we
are
the
leaders
every
week
every
week
that
section
of
this
city
has
the
highest
crime
by
multiples.
B
So
when
Bloomington
wants
to
become
a
livable
City
or
maintain
a
livable
City,
and
we
want
you
to
come
here
while
your
survey
says
oh
yeah,
everybody's
happy
with
it,
everybody
thinks
it's
really
safe,
that
isn't
true
across
the
board
and
then
some
people
who
should
know
say
oh
well
yeah,
but
the
Mall
of
America
is
in
that
section.
No,
the
Mall
of
America
has
its
own
listing
all
right.
B
So
what's
in
section
one
does
not
include
Prime
statistics
from
the
Mall
of
America,
so
I'd
like
to
see
the
council's
interest
in
figuring
out.
Why
is
it
that
section
four
and
section
five
are
every
week
the
absolute
lowest
for
crimes
and
section?
One
is
absolutely
the
highest:
I
would
think
that
the
city
wants
to
be
a
good
city.
That
would
be
more
important
than
some
of
the
other
things
you
guys
seem
to
survey,
because
if
you
can
figure
out
what
is
it
about
this
section
that
we
need
to
fix?
B
So
I'd
like
to
see
if
the
city
council
or
whatever
unit
it
takes,
can
make
that
a
an
interest
to
figure
out
what
what
what's
going
on
over
there.
It's
always
so
it's
not
just
this
week,
but
it's
every
week
as
I.
Don't
expect
instant
answers
to
all
these
things.
There's
a
push
here
and
Hopkins.
The
push
is
insane
they're
tearing
downtown
Hopkins
apart.
B
They
just
tore
down
a
theater
and
they're,
going
to
put
up
high-rise
apartments,
and
the
city
council
doesn't
even
mandate
that
they
have
what
would
be
normally
adequate
parking
for
the
amount
of
people
they're
putting
into
that
City.
So
for
some
reason
or
another
I
mean
I'm,
glad
I
don't
own
a
home
in
a
livable
home
in
Hopkins,
because
it's
going
to
kill
what
Hopkins
was
and
it's
going
to
turn
it
into
something
that
they
won't
recognize.
B
When
you
put
in
high
density
housing
I,
don't
see
the
value
that
that
brings
to
the
people
who
are
single
family
owner
occupants
in
this
city,
okay,
to
the
to
the
people
who
live,
I
know
other
side
over
here.
Any
of
these
other
people.
B
A
You
think
so:
property
taxes
are
based
on
property
values
and
our
entire
budget
is
based
off
property
values.
The
units
I
don't
even
know
how
many
units
we
have
over
in
the
South
Loop
no
800.,
the
the
new
buildings
we
have
over
there,
the
Fenley
carbon
21,
all
the
the
new
apartment
complexes,
air.
A
All
those
apartment
complexes
that
we
have
over
there
are
very
highly
valued
properties
and
they
take
up
a
good
chunk
of
the
value
in
the
city
of
Bloomington,
and
so
it
helps
to
have
that
that
multi-family
development,
it
helps
the
single
family
homes,
because
it
it
increases
the
property
valuation,
the
total
valuation
of
the
properties
in
the
city
of
Wilmington.
You.
B
A
Me,
where
they're
faxing,
the
value
of
the
Val,
the
average
price,
the
median
price
of
this
of
homes
in
Bloomington,
has
never
been
higher.
Well.
B
A
B
D
D
Just
two
quick
things:
one
I
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
to
pit
renters
against
homeowners,
they're
all
people,
and
we
have
to
have
an
opportunity
for
people
to
have
different
things.
People
do
different
housing
things
at
different
stages
in
their
life.
A
lot
of
people
who
rent
when
they're
younger,
maybe
they're
more
flexible
in
where
they're
going
to
be.
D
They
don't
know
where
they're
going
to
go
or
maybe
they're
older,
and
they
need
a
place
to
live
that
they
can
afford
so
saying
that
we
should
only
care
about
one
group
of
residents,
then
not
another
group
of
residents,
I
think
is
completely
unfair.
Second
I
would
encourage
you
to
go
and
look
at
the
amount
of
diversity
in
housing
throughout
the
city,
including
in
areas
four
and
five.
D
If
you
take
a
look
at
large
complexes
like
Hampshire
Hills,
there's
a
lot
of
small
town
homes
and
things
like
that,
there
are
things
of
that
throughout
this
entire
Community.
I
will
agree
that
it's
not
to
the
density
of
South
Loop,
but
that
has
a
much
different
environment
and
is
being
developed
differently
in
an
area
that
there
isn't
a
significant
amount
of
single-family
housing
so
that
those
will
be
my
reports
to
you
that
I
think
that
there
isn't
a
negative
impact
on
residential
single-family
housing.
D
I
think
it
provides
opportunities
for
people
to
have
a
decent,
safe
place
that
they
can
afford
to
live.
And
then
we
need
to
have
more
of
those
opportunities
and
to
the
point
of
the
market
is
driving
that
yeah,
absolutely
the
Market's
driving
the
increases
in
home
values
because
there
isn't
enough
housing.
It
is
talked
about
in
any
major
newspaper
in
any
serious
place
that
you
go
to.
D
D
The
market
cannot
build
those
as
single-family
product
right
now,
and
so
that
is
what
is
pushing
up
those
things.
That
is
what
is
pushing
up
people's
taxes
and
that's
what
I'm
concerned
about
is
people
are
struggling
with
those
taxes
absolutely
and
if
we
don't
provide
housing
enough
housing
for
people
we're
not
going
to
solve
that
problem.
B
I
appreciate
your
input,
I
think
you've
misrepresented.
That
I
was
pitting
this
person
against
that
person
and
you
completely
avoided
the
real
question,
which
was:
what
is
the
value
to
the
individual
person
who
owns
a
home
by
putting
up
a
bunch
of
rental
and
nobody's
answering
that?
Because
you
don't
want
to
answer
it.
I'd
love
to
answer
I,
just
I
just.
G
B
Asking
why
is
it?
What
is
the
value?
I
mean?
I,
don't
know,
maybe
you
guys
would
all
rather
have
apartment
buildings
and,
as
single-family
homes
fall
out
of
disrepair,
you
just
bulldoze
them
until
all.
F
B
G
B
G
The
house,
okay,
several
rental
places,
in
fact
I-
was
on
Council
when
I
had
a
rental
place.
What
happened
to
me
was
the
rental
properties,
the
amount,
the
price
for
each
rent
went
sky,
hot
yeah,
so
I
started
researching
because
I'm
like
well,
what's
going
on
here,
what's
what's
motivated
me
to
go
and
get
a
house
and
I
said
to
myself:
I
asked
that
exact
same
question
that
you
asked
I
said
well
gosh.
Why
am
I
as
a
renter
paying
so
much
you
know,
and
why
these
these
homeowners?
You
know
at
a
different
setup.
G
You
know
going
on.
So
what?
What
is
the
value
that
that
those
folks
provide?
They
actually
provide
those
folks
who
are
not
everybody,
but
it's
some
of
the
higher
end
rental
properties
or
actually
in
a
lot
of
ways,
reducing
the
amount
of
of
what
you
have
to
pay
as
a
rental
place
if
you
go
or
as
a
homeowner,
if
you
actually
leave
this
town
and
you
go
to
other
places,
and
you
go
to
other
cities
which
you're
going
to
see
most
cities
who
have
less
rental
and
other
other
commercial
types
of
properties.
They
don't
have.
G
As
many
as
what
we
have
you're
going
to
end
up,
paying
a
lot
more
as
a
single
family
homeowner,
because
there
aren't
other
property
types
that
are
out
there,
that
are
helping
to
contribute
to
that
overall
tax
levy
or
responsibility
that
you
have
to
pay
so
that
that's
the
value
the
mayor
said
it
in
another
way.
You
said
the
exact
same
thing:
I
just
got
done
saying.