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From YouTube: May 16, 2022 City Council Listening Session
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A
All
right
now
we
will
call
to
order
this
listening
session
of
the
bloomington
city
council.
We
have
six
of
the
seven
members
here.
I
think
council
member
nelson
is
likely
on
his
way,
so
we
will
clock
him
in
when
he
arrives.
So
we
have
the
official
seven,
but
we
do
have
a
quorum
of
six
members
here.
We
have.
A
I
know
two
folks
here
that
I'm
seeing
sally
ness
we've
called
ahead
of
time
and
phil
we've
talked
we'll
get
you
on
afterward
you're,
the
only
two
that
we
have
so
we'll
we
officially
in
our
our
rules
here
that
we
have.
We
limit
it
to
10
minutes
so
we're
if
you
doesn't
mean
we're
going
to
fill
up
the
entire
vacuum
here.
If
we
get
the
opportunity
so
we're
going
to
try
and
limit
it
to
10
minutes,
but
we'll
have
a
good
discussion
we'll
go
from
there.
So
sally
come
on
up.
B
Okay,
mayor
and
council
city
manager's
email
dated
may
7
2022
states
conditional
use
permit
applications
must
include
the
following
information:
an
application
form
signed
by
the
property
owner
or
authorized
representative.
B
A
I
would
defer
to
the
attorneys
how
this
all
works,
but
I
think
yeah,
the
person
who
signs
is
probably
the
person
who
signed
and
is
responsible
for
it.
But
I
don't
want
to
say
that
officially,
on
the
record,
until
I
hear
from
the
attorneys.
C
B
This
is
a
general
question,
so
our
our
the
city
manager
sent
this
part.
The
top
part
conditional
use
permit
applications
must
include
the
following
information:
an
application
form
signed
by
the
property
owner
owners
or
authorized
representative,
so
that
you
guys
hopefully
saw
when
you
read
the
city,
manager's
email
back
to
me.
So
then
my
question
is
and
then
a
conversation.
If
you'd
like
would
a
person
who
signed
the
application
so
again
that
application
has
to
be
the
property
owner
or
the
authorized
representative
and.
B
No,
I'm
asking
a
general
question:
I'm
asking
a
general
question:
would
that
be?
Would
a
person
who
signed
the
application
be
an
authorized
representative
because
I
mean
our
conditioning
is
permanent,
says
it.
I
mean
our.
What
the
city
manager
sent
us
conditional
use.
Permit
applications
must
include
the
following
information:
an
application
form
signed
by
the
property
owner
or
an
authorized
representative.
So.
A
B
A
And-
and
I
think
I
suppose
I
think
the
general
answer
to
your
question
is
yes,
okay,
now
the
specific
answer
is
now,
as
mr
zuniga
said,
I
mean
without
seeing
it
without
having
in
our
hands.
B
So
now
I'm
doing
the
specific
okay,
because
that's
the
general
question
that
person
would
represent
if
that
person
is
what
I
said
so
hide
or
resist
sign.
The
application
was
identified
in
city
minutes
as
the
applicant
and
signed
an
amended
and
restated
site
development
agreement.
Would
he
therefore
be
an
authorized
representative?
B
B
I
believe
he
I
believe
he
represents
the
building
always
did
always
had
and
then
the
when
the
question
was
asked
by
city
council
member
beloga.
Is
it
fraud
to
make
a
representation
so
that
you
can
entice
someone
to
get
a
conditional
use?
Permit
passed?
That's
not
exactly
what
he
said,
I'm
just
you
know,
and
our
city
attorney
back
then
said
he
probably
didn't
represent
the
building
and
and
then
I
was
unable
to
have
a
conversation
with
anyone
that
wasn't
an
accurate
response.
E
So
you,
if
I
can
paraphrase
just
with
my
clarity,
you're
saying
that
this
person,
mr
azide,
is
that
right
is
he
something
leaves
permanent.
As
the
authorized
representative,
we
accepted
that
conditional
use
permit
application
with
his
name
on
it
and
then
later,
when
you
ask
the
question
of
the
attorney
about
the
form
of
the
the
former
attorney
right,
yeah
fraud,
the
the
answer
was
that
that
they
did
not
believe
that
that
person,
mr
azide,
represented
the
building.
He.
B
You
know
we
had
a
presentation
and
we
had
a
proposal
and
a
use
that
didn't
match
it,
and
so
buloga
asked
a
very
pertinent
important
question
and
the
city
attorney
answered
it.
Inaccurately
and
I'm
saying
that's
inappropriate,
and
here
you
guys
that
was
wrong
and
then
to
go
further.
Oh
so
it
was
miss
to
me.
Was
it
misleading
for
the
city
attorney
to
state
mr
aziz?
Probably
didn't
have
the
legal
authority
to
make
the
representations
he
did
during
the
cup
hearing
and
he
is
the
one
that
signed
the
application.
B
D
B
B
Okay,
he
sent
you
the
original
site,
development
agreement
with
one
person,
another
person's
name,
yet
there's
three
documents
with
heider's
name.
So
you
know
here,
I'm
saying
come
on.
You
know
clear
this
up
and
you
have
a
city
manager
that
didn't
send
the
application
sent
the
original
site
development
agreement,
which
is
null
and
void
right,
because
this
new
one
says
the
entire
agreement
superseding
all
prior
agreements
that
states
entire
agreements
superseding
all
prior
agreements.
B
So
he
sent
you
one
that
was
prior
to
the
one
that
is
is
current
your
city,
the
current
city
manager,
sent
you
one.
That
is
not
the
valid
one.
The
valid
one
has
hydrazi's
name
on
it,
and
then
he
also
didn't
send
you
the
application,
which
you
know.
Fortunately,
he
sent
the
you
know
clarified
it
by
saying
the
application
is
signed
by
the
property
owner.
The
authorized
representative,
so.
F
Sorry,
can
I
ask
a
follow-up
question
and
I,
if
you
don't
know
the
answer,
that's
totally
fine,
but
this
this
cop
hearing
that
you're,
referring
to,
I
think
it's
20,
2011
2011..
Thank
you.
Do
you
know
offhand
was
I
so
that's
this
individual,
mr
aziz.
He
spoke
at
that
here.
Do
you
know
offhand?
Was
he
the
only
individual
representing
the
property
who
did
speak
at
that
hearing.
B
F
Is
it
was
I
I
guess
my
question
is
you
know?
Is
it
possible,
I
mean,
were
there
others
who
were
present
and
it
sounds
like
there?
Was
this
an
attorney,
at
least
if,
if
I
mean
because
to
my
mind,
if
some
I
mean,
if
there
are
multiple
people
who
can
speak
to
an
item
who
are,
are
able
to
and
authorize
you
and
all
of
that
who
can
speak
to
to
an
item,
then
I
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
about
stating
that
one
person
and
one
person
alone
is
responsible
for
that
and
so
in.
F
B
So
he
is
again
the
one
that
signed
the
application
went
to
the
development
review
committee
in
march
and
again
no
in
february
and
then
again
in
march.
He
is
the
I
believe
my
recall
is
he's
the
only
one
that
spoke
at
the
besides
the
attorney,
but
the
attorney
wouldn't
have
been
the
questions
when
you,
if
you
go
back
and
read
the
minutes,
the
questions
are
hydrated
disease,
hydro
disease.
B
F
B
E
I
think
we
should
ask
that
question
as
a
city
like
to
say
like
we
should
confirm
that
the
person
signing
the
application
is
the
person
we
are
holding
to
account
for
that
and
if
and
if
what
I
understand,
the
city
attorney
at
the
time
believed
that
that
wasn't
the
person.
Then
we
probably
do
have
some
open
question
for
us
to
look
in
about
our
procedures.
Would
you
I.
A
I
know
that
we're
almost
what's
up,
so
if
I,
if
I
could,
if
I
could
sally
so
we're
we're
talking
about
conversations
that
happened
11
years
ago
with
a
different
city
attorney
a
different
city
manager,
a
different
mayor,
an
entirely
different
council-
I
mean
it
was
it's
been
complete
turnover
right,
and
so
it's
difficult
to
kind
of
put
all
of
this
together
and
try
and
make
decisions
based
on
something
happen
that
long
ago,
based
off
of
minutes,
and
so
it's
I
mean
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
beg
some
forgiveness
with
our
legal
staff
to
try
and
work
their
way
through
this
and
then
the
second
thing
I
would
like
to
ask
you
is
to
what
is
this
all
leading?
B
A
Yeah
and
and
that's
my
question,
what
what
is
what
is
the
end
result
here
sally?
What
are
we
talking
about
all
this
for
what?
What
do
you
hope
to
come
of
this?
Do
we
are?
Are
you
thinking
that
we're
gonna
void
the
the
conditional
use
permit?
Are
we
gonna
take
them
to
court?
Are
you
gonna
take
them
to
court?
What
are
we
leading
to
here.
B
To
identify
what
happened?
Not
let
it
happen
again,
clean
up
our.
I
don't
remember
the
word
you
said,
but
we
have
some
just.
I.
D
B
B
B
A
B
A
G
G
H
Right
thanks
mayor
and
members
of
council,
my
name
is
phil
cookton.
I
am
a
planning,
commissioner,
for
the
city
of
bloomington,
but
it's
important
that
I
state
I'm
on
here
on
my
own
tonight,
not
representing
the
planning
commission.
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
metro
blue
line.
I
am
a
resident
of
bloomington
central
station
and
I
work
in
downtown
minneapolis,
so
I'm
a
daily
commuter
on
the
blue
line,
and
you
know
the
last
two
years
right.
H
You
know
before
cove
the
blue
line
had
its
moments,
but
it
was
generally
fine.
The
last
two
years
has
taken
a
major
downturn
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
aware
of
the
current
conditions
of
it,
so
it's
become
a
stressful
and
just
generally
uncomfortable
place
to
spend
your
time.
So
I
think
there's
really
three
issues
among
many
that
I
have
a
problem
with
with
the
blue
line.
The
first
is,
is
it's
become
socially
acceptable
to
smoke
on
the
train,
which
is
amazing?
H
If
you
haven't
been
on
the
train,
but
it's
it's
just
become
acceptable
to
smoke
on
a
train.
I
would
say
if
it's
not
every
day,
it's
other
every
other
day.
Somebody
lights
up
a
cigarette
in
your
train
car
and
it
fills
the
whole
thing
up
with
smoke
and
you
smell
like
smoke
when
you
go
to
work
when
you
go
home
and
it's
annoying
and
it's
just
very
frustrating
so
that
that's
problem
number
one
another
thing:
that's
really
become
a
problem
and
never
used
to
be
is
the
trash
problem.
H
Minneapolis
was
always
a
clean
city,
we
were
known
for
being
a
clean
city
and
the
trash
problem
has
gotten
totally
out
of
control,
especially
at
the
south
minneapolis
light
rail
stops.
If
you
go
to
franklin
avenue
or
lake
street
stations,
they
are
appalling,
with
the
amount
of
garbage
there,
they're
literally
cleaning
the
stations
up
with
shovels.
H
Since
the
second
point,
the
third
point,
which
is
the
most
disappointing,
is
the
drugs
on
the
train,
and
I.
I
H
I
know
councilman
carter
and
I
spoke-
I
almost
had
to
give
a
guy
cpr
this
winter
after
he
overdosed
on
fentanyl
and
I'm
standing
over
him
as
he's
passed
out,
hoping
he
takes
every
single
breath,
knowing
that
I'm
a
miss
breath
away
from
having
to
give
cpr
to
this
guy,
and
it's
just
like
I'm
just
trying
to
go
home
from
work,
and
I
think
my
tipping
point
was
maybe
like
six
weeks
ago
I
was
on
just
a
regular
commuter
train,
like
4
30
in
the
afternoon,
going
home
from
work
and
there's
three
guys
right
in
the
middle
of
the
train,
doing
drugs
and
I'm
not
not
marijuana.
H
A
H
Just
just
going
on
public
transit
to
and
from
work,
and
so
you
know
it's
just
a
frustrating
thing
where
it's
like.
I
already
work
a
stressful
job
and
then
I
have
to
spend
the
first
30
minutes
of
my
day
in
the
last
30
minutes
of
my
day
in
a
stressful,
uncomfortable
environment,
and
you
know,
I
think
the
blue
line
is
important
to
bloomington,
because
it
goes
through
bloomington,
central
station
or
transit
oriented
development
on
28th
avenue.
H
Obviously,
it's
a
big
tourist
attraction
going
to
all
america
and
it
can
be
the
first
it's
like
sort
of
the
gateway
to
bloomington
for
some
people
coming
from
the
airport,
and
I
see
the
looks
of
people
coming
on
from
the
airport
that
are
clearly
guests
and
it's
frustrating
to
see
their
faces
drop
when
this
is
their
first.
H
You
know
view
of
the
twin
cities
area
and
it's
like
a
there's,
somebody's
sleeping
on
the
floor
or
or
it's
just
garbage
everywhere.
It's
just
frustrating
that
that's
the
first
opinion
people
have
of
the
twin
cities.
It
never
used
to
be
that
way.
So
I'm
very
aware
that
the
city
of
bloomington
doesn't
control
the
light
rail.
That's
not
our
jurisdiction,
I
know,
but
there's
I'm
hoping
we
can
find
something
that
we
can
do
to
send
a
message
to
the
met
council
that
this
isn't.
H
That
the
city
of
bloomington-
we
we
don't
accept
this-
that
this
is
past
the
threshold
of
what
we
believe
to
be
acceptable
for
us
and
it
impacts
our
city,
and
I
hope
we
we
don't
stand
for
it.
So
I
don't
know
what
we
can
do,
but
I'm
asking
mayor
that
we
we
find
something
we
can
do
to
send
the
message
to
try
to
get
some
change
happening
because
for
two
years
nothing
has
changed
and
I
think
that's
what's
most
frustrating
to
me
is
there's
a
problem
and
it's
just
never
gotten
fixed
it's
just
every
day.
A
And-
and
I
will
tell
you
it's
certainly
not
news-
I
mean
I
talked
to-
I
saw
molly
cummings
our
met
council
representative.
I
started
a
meeting
last
week
and
I
mentioned
that
you
and
I
had
talked
and
invited
her
to
the
meeting
didn't
know
when
you
were
going
to
be
here
so
I
but
she
was
interested
in
it
as
well.
But
again
it
was
not
news
to
her.
She
knew
it
full.
Well,
so
I
agree
it's.
It
has
gone
downhill
consistently.
A
J
J
Been
putting
some
of
our
officers
who
are
assigned
to
the
mall
on
the
train,
just
riding
the
23-minute
ride
back
for
the
bloomington
area
and
we've
seen
the
same
things,
obviously
we're
still
dealing
with
met
council
and
that
transit
with
the
mall
station
too.
So
there
are
significant
issues,
but
we
can
try
to
increase
what
we
do
for
bloomington,
but
outside
of
having
them
ride
further
in
bloomington.
We
can't
I'm
not
going
to
have
them
do
that.
H
I
Well,
we'll
better
yeah.
Well,
this
is
more
just
kind
of
to
spitball
a
little
bit,
especially
as
we're
looking
forward
to
really
doubling
down
on
the
benefits
of
transforming
into
development
density.
Walkability.
All
these
things
would
it
be
feasible
or
possible
to
do
some
kind
of
point
letter
saying
that's
put
in
jeopardy
if
the
transit
in
the
transference
development
is
not
safe
or
reliable.
I
K
Thank
you
mayor
and
appreciate
you
coming
and
bringing
this
forward.
As
some
of
my
colleagues
know
my
daughter
used
to
ride
the
blue
line
to
school
every
day.
She
goes
to
a
charter
school
in
saint
paul
and
she'd,
go
downtown,
minneapolis
and
connect
over
and
go
to
st
paul.
K
That
was
pretty
pandemic
because
then
they
shut
schools
down
for
a
while,
and
then
she
became
16
and
she
could
drive
so
she
hasn't
been
there
in
a
while.
I
I
do
know
there
were
issues
before
that
as
well,
but
it
sounds
like
they've.
K
Clearly
gotten
worse,
I
mean
my
own
daughter
who,
at
the
time
was
15,
saw
people
doing
heroin
and
had
men
come
sit
next
to
her,
and
fortunately
she
wrote
at
times
that
a
person
like
yourself
or
a
businesswoman
or
something
like
that
would
come
sit
down
next
to
her
to
make
sure
she
was
okay.
She
would
ride
with
a
friend
on
it
and
things
like
that,
so
this
should
be
safe.
It
should
be.
You
know,
people
shouldn't
have
to
worry
about
those
things,
and
you
know
it's.
K
So
I
appreciate
bringing
that
forward
chief.
I
appreciate
you
doing
what
you
can
in
bloomington
and
let's
continue
to
work
with
our
colleagues
through
the
rest
of
the
corridor
to
get
that
as
best
as
we
can,
because
people
need
to
get
to
work,
they
need
to
get
to
airports,
they
need
to
get
to
schools,
they
need
to
get
to
all
sorts
of
places
and,
like
mayor
rossi,
said,
you
know
huge
investments
in
this
thing
now
to
make
this
thing
work.
K
H
A
I
will,
as
as
sean
mentioned,
we'll
put
together
I'll,
put
together
a
letter
in
email
or
something
we'll
express
these
concerns
and
push
it
forward
if
we
could
maybe
have
the
chief
sign
on
as
well,
but
basically
just
bring
some
of
these
concerns
forward
on
behalf
of
bloomington
that,
yes,
it's
it's
affecting
transit,
it's
affecting
our
development,
it's
affecting
how
people
live,
and
so
it's
it's
definitely
worth
something
something
worth
them
taking
seriously
and
looking
into.
I
understand.
D
Yeah,
I
was
just
curious.
The
group
that
you
have
been
meeting
with
that
are
like
the
sheriffs
from
around
are
the
chiefs
and
the
old
county
sheriff,
I'm
assuming
and
then
mayors
I
mean.
Would
this
be
something
to
bring
up
there?
Obviously,
not
every
city
has
a
light
rail,
but
they
have
public
transit.
So
I'm
just
to
see
if
there
would
be
some.
A
That's
a
good
idea,
that's
a
good
idea.
I
mean
from
a
yes
from
a
light
rail
standpoint.
It's
basically
two
cities,
but
that
doesn't,
and
that
doesn't
mean
we
couldn't
talk
also
to
some
city
council
members
in
minneapolis
as
well,
and
try
and
get
them
on
board
to
try
and
clean
this
up.
A
little
bit
agreed.
K
Right,
well,
that's
fascinating
because
then
yeah,
you
opposite
of
all
of
my
experiences
anywhere
else
in
the
country
and
yeah,
so
yeah
and
the
one
thing
I'd
ask
mayor
is:
if,
when
we
have
these
conversations
and
in
the
letter,
if
we
ask
for
specific
measures,
specific
steps
that
they're
going
to
take
to
address
this
concern,
not
just
like.
Oh
we
hear
you,
we
think
it's
a
problem
too,
like
what
are
you
gonna
do
like
what
are
we
and
I
think
what
I
heard
is
bloomington's
ready
to
do
what
we
can
if
we're
asked
and
so.
J
A
L
No,
I,
mr
mayor
council
members,
it's
one
of.
I
would
imagine
it's
one
of
three
people
at
hennepin
county.
It's
either
mark
chapin,
the
head
of
representative
real
estate
services,
jim
atchison,
the
county
assessor,
or
I
guess
the
other
third
name
I
would
come
up
with
would
be
david
hoff.
The
administrator.
A
And
I
think
short
of
that
for
an
advocacy
role,
debbie
goodteller
hennepin
county
commissioner,
I'm
sure
would
be
able
to
provide
guidance
or
help
with
that
as
well.
G
F
Just
to
follow
up
on
that
there
wouldn't
this
wouldn't
be
something
that
would
go
through
the
state
department
of
revenue.
It's.