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B
I
will
call
this
listening
session
of
the
Bloomington
city
council
to
order
thanks
much
for
being
here,
everyone
I
know
we
have
Sally
on
the
list
and
I
know
we
had
a
mark
Morrell
and
are
the
three
of
you
together.
Yes,
three
in
all
kinds
of
weather,
okay,
so
since
we
only
have
the
the
two
groups,
you
want
to
speak
as
a
group
or
individually
or
how
how.
B
Okay
sounds
good,
so
what
we
typically
do
is
we
kind
of
break
up
the
time,
depending
on
how
many
folks
we
have
here,
but
we
limit
it
to
no
more
than
10
minutes.
So,
if
you
know,
if
one
person
gets
here,
they
don't
get
the
full
half
hour.
That
kind
of
thing.
So
why
don't
we
start
it
with?
If
you
guys
want
to
start
and
why
don't
we
go
with
we'll
we'll
start
the
clock
for
10
minutes
and
we'll
see
where
we
go
from
here?
B
I'm
going
to
ask
you
for
the
record,
as
you
start
just
make
sure
your
name
is
stated
clearly
just
so
we
have
it
on
the
on
the
record:
yeah,
okay,
fire
away.
C
All
right,
my
name
is
Mark
Morrow
I'm,
a
Bloomington
resident
I'm
here
as
a
representative
of
the
Jefferson
athletic
Foundation,
also
known
as
jaf
and
on
my
left.
Here
is
Kyle
Erbert
Albert,
who
was
also
a
Bloomington
resident,
but
he
represents
the
Bloomington
Kennedy
F
activities,
Foundation
I
was
gonna,
say
athletic,
but
there
are
more
than
just
other
activity
activities
and
Athletics,
also
known
as
BK
AF
on
my
left
is
Molly
who's,
also
a
part
of
Jefferson
athletic
Foundation.
C
So
we're
here
today
to
talk
about
three
things
that
we
would
like
to
share
about:
the
impacts
to
Athletics
and
activities,
the
foundations
specific
to
the
charitable
gambling.
It
was
a
big
part
of
why
we're
here
to
talk
today,
but
I'll
kind
of
hit
on
that,
because
I'm
not
going
to
go
anywhere
near
as
long
as
I
had
originally
anticipated,
knowing
that
some
decisions
have
already
been
made
and
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
But
let
me
start
with
the
foundations
themselves
and
what
they
represent.
C
So
the
two
foundations
that
I
called
out
for
the
high
schools.
They
are
501
C3
non-profits
that
are
run
by
volunteers.
Most
often
they're
represented
by
parents
or
alumni
parents,
and
so
we
still
have
half
of
these
foundations
have
alumni
parents
who
is
he's
a
perfect
example.
His
kids
are
in
his
20s
right,
so
kids
have
moved
on,
but
he
still
is
supporting
Kennedy
in
that
capacity.
C
So
these
foundations
that
provide
financial
support
for
mostly
the
Minnesota
State
High
School
league
Athletics
or
activities
those
sanctioned
by
the
high
schools
and
in
some
cases,
others
that
are
recognized
by
the
high
school
most
of
the
revenue
that
these
foundations
generate
gather,
come
from
selling
season
passes
or
and
or
charitable
gambling,
and
in
more
recent
years,
charitable
gambling
has
been
the
biggest
Revenue
producing
component,
whereas
when
both
these
foundations
started,
it
was
mostly
just
season
passes.
C
It's
always
kind
of
the
first
thing.
I
wanted
to
get
across.
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
foundations.
The
second
thing
was
about
charitable
gambling.
Again
this
will
be
a
little
bit
shorter
than
originally
planned.
So
we
want
to
talk
about
what
was
proposed
kind
of
the
three
to
five
elements
that
you
guys
were
recommending
where
they
would
have
direct
impacts
to
our
foundations.
C
So
jaf
and
bkaf
are
supportive
of
the
consensus
from
the
previous
discussion
about
charitable
gambling,
so
the
direction
that
you're
going
we're
not
opposed
to
right,
so
I've
seen
the
PowerPoint
deck
and-
and
that
that's
great,
so
we
appreciate
the
council
looking
into
the
matter
further.
We
welcome
any
future
opportunities
to
share
what
we
have
learned
and
how
we
benefit
from
charitable
gambling
as
well
good
and
the
big
one.
You
know
like
the
10
charitable
fund.
That
was
a
big
one.
C
D
C
All
right,
so
the
last
item
was
talking
about
just
investment
in
the
high
schools
and
their
activities,
facilities
and
and
the
infrastructure.
So
strong
communities
and
strong
schools
go
hand
in
hand.
I
think
we
all
believe
that
certainly
Bloomington
residents
have
spoken
with
the
renewal
passage
of
the
site
and
Innovation
schools
levy
this
last
week,
investing.
E
C
And
our
students
is
important
to
our
community
without
a
doubt.
We
know
that
both
schools
are
tied
closely
together
in
their
supports.
If
Jefferson
gains
an
upgrade
so
does
Kennedy.
However,
high
schools
also
get
compared
to
neighboring
schools
as
well,
such
as
Eden
Prairie,
Edina,
Savage,
Shakopee,
Chaska,
Chanhassen,
Lakeville,
Farmington
right.
So
here's
a
couple
examples
where
Bloomington
High
Schools
fall
short
of
their
peer
schools
right
so
an
example:
swim
and
dive
meet
locations
are
showing
their
age.
New
scoreboards
are
needed,
but
too
expenses
for
booster
club
budgets.
C
The
same
is
true
for
sound
systems
and
Timing
Systems
at
those
locations
area.
Football
stadiums,
not
Bloomington,
but
let's
say
Chanhassen,
for
example,
support
girls
and
boys,
soccer
track
and
field
lacrosse
and
likely
other
sports
Bloomington
doesn't
have
anything
that
compares
and
Savage
has
a
community
Dome
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
heard
about
the
Dome
plenty
of
times
over
the
last
couple
years
right
for
winter
use,
it
supports
soccer
and
baseball
softball,
lacrosse
and
possibly
other
sports.
C
C
But
what
we
don't
want
is
an
aging
infrastructure,
School
infrastructure
for
the
activities
or
Athletics
to
be
a
reason
why
they
wouldn't
move
here
and
then.
Lastly,
we
want
to
emphasize
the
importance
of
a
clear
collaboration
where
the
school
boards
and
the
city
councils
work
together.
C
C
Well,
so
what
I'll
say
is
is
Kennedy
and
Jefferson
are
quite
a
bit
different
in
that
Jefferson
has
a
separate
legal
entity
that
manages
the
charitable
gambling
and
we
have
the
three
restaurant
slash
bar
limits
and
by
working
with
those
three
locations,
we
have
have
a
paid
resource
to
manage
that,
because
it's
almost
a
full-time
job
to
manage
the
charitable
gambling
and
the
Audits
and
the
accounting,
and
then
also
we
partner
with
these
restaurants,
to
do
some
type
of
fundraiser
night,
where
we
do
a
meat
raffle
at
Northstar
Tavern
on
Monday
nights.
C
C
And
those
are
fundraiser
opportunities
for
us
to
bring
parents
and
the
kids
into
those
restaurants
to
let's
say,
sell
Bingo
cards
or
sell,
beat
raffle
tickets
and
then
anywhere
from
let's
say
300
to
500,
gets
contributed
directly
to
that
program.
So
it's
kind
of
a
long
way
to
say
that's
one
piece
of
it,
but
also
on
the
etaps
and
pull
tabs
over
the
course
of
the
year.
We
raise
enough
funds
that
we
contribute
in
the
case
of
Bloomington
Jefferson,
each
athletic
booster
club.
F
It
and
then
on
the
Kennedy
side,
we
do
it
a
little
bit
differently.
Ours
is
a
grant
basis.
Groups
apply
to
us
and
you
asked
how
much
do
we
give
out
as
much
as
we
can
yeah?
So
we
we
manage
our
accounts,
so
we've
got
a
certain
amount
in
here
that
we
will
never
go
below
just
because
we
want
to
have
that
safety
net,
but
we
will
give
out
what
we
can.
As
we
can.
F
Last
year
we
gave
out
20
grand
in
our
fiscal
year
this
year
we're
two-thirds
of
the
way
through
our
fiscal
year
and
have
already
given
away
that
20
grand
because
we're
making
more
so
we
give
out
more
that's
our
mindset
and
we
do
it
based
on
booster
clubs.
It
can
be
a
sport
or
it
can
be
individuals
if
you
need
a
pair
of
cleats,
you
need
a
pair
of
skates,
you
can
come
to
us
and
we
will
give
you
X
dollars
right
to
support
that.
Thank
you.
B
I'll
start
by
saying
the
last
time
that
councilmember,
Coulter
and
I
were
at
Northstar.
Tavern
I
won
the
meat
raffle,
so
secondly,
I
agree
with
you
completely
about
the
uniqueness
and
the
strength
that
could
come
in
Bloomington
from
this,
this
alignment.
We
we
have
contiguous
borders
with
our
school
district
and
most
of
the
schools
around
us
can't
say
that,
and
that
should
be
a
an
Avenue
with
strength
for
us
and
I.
Don't
we
haven't
even
come
close
to
tapping
into
that
and
I.
We
continue
to
look
for
ways.
B
We
continue
to
have
this
conversation
with
the
superintendent,
with
the
school
board,
with
our
city
manager
with
the
city
council.
How
do
we
do
that?
And
how
do
we
do
that
best
and
honestly,
it's
it's
a
not
we
haven't
cracked
yet
and
it's
it's
when
we
actually
absolutely
need
to,
because
of
all
the
things
that
you
did
talk
about,
because
we
know
there's
no
easy
solution.
There
isn't
there
isn't
and
I
mean
everything
everything
costs,
money
and
everything?
B
Yes,
but
the
fact
that
that
we
are
one
Community,
it
should
make
at
least
Avenues
more
available
to
us
and
we
should
be
able
to
find
solutions
to
that.
B
H
Just
an
idea,
hopefully
I,
don't
get
kicked
under
the
table
or
something
no.
We
did.
We
had
this
really
great
community-based
process
that
we
just
did.
We
also
a
couple
years
ago
did
a
racial
Equity,
strategic
planning
process
and,
to
me
in
my
mind,
it
seems
like
there's
almost
There's
an
opportunity
to
bring
School
Board
Council
many
of
us
together
to
do
something
similar,
develop
recommendations
for
like
well
to
get
clear
about.
B
Similarly,
a
a
a
Performing,
Arts,
Center,
great
Performing,
Arts
centers
at
each
of
the
high
schools,
but
to
have
one
more
centrally
located
to
have
a
concert
hall
here
at
Civic
Plaza
would
benefit,
would
would
benefit
not
only
the
Arts
organizations
within
the
city,
but
also
I,
think
the
schools
as
well
so
bottom
line.
Yes,
I
mean
in
a
lot
of
different
ways.
You
have
to
find
the
best
way
to
do
it
and
we
have
to
be
able
to
activate
it
and
actually
accomplish
it.
Awesome.
D
My
role
is
new
to
the
to
the
board.
They
created
a
position
for
strategic
planning
because
they're
recognizing
we've
grown
so
much
with
our
fundraising.
It's
been
so
successful.
How
do
we
need
to
think
ahead
and
really
become
more
strategic
in
our
relationship,
so
we're
doing
some
work
to
kind
of
internally
figure
out?
What
are
our
goals
and
how
do
we
want
to
grow,
but
I'll
look
at
how
you
guys
did
some
of
your
work
and
see
how
we
might
dovetail
yeah.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
A
Please
thanks
for
bringing
anything
Mark
when
you
talk
about
the
swim
and
dive
facilities
track
and
those
other
types
of
facilities,
the
capital
intensity.
Oh
yes,
their
plan
at
the
school
district
that
you're
aware
of
to
make
upgrades
to
those
facilities,
or
is
that
part
of.
C
D
B
To
meet
you,
thank
you
very
much,
thanks
for
coming
and
yep
very
good.
Let's
continue
this
conversation
as
need
be
all
right.
Thanks
much.
I
Okay,
as
I
previously
stated,
the
former
mayor
2018
after
closing
a
hearing
from
transcription
I
agree
with
agree
with
some
of
the
speakers
that
may
be
putting
in
a
playground
might
be
something
that
would
be
over,
kill
or
really
unnecessary,
I
think
the
school
utilizing
the
playground
would
work
just
fine,
maybe
times
when
some
of
the
neighborhood
people
want
to
use
it.
At
the
same
time,
with
the
recessed
kids
is
giving
the
playground
to
the
private
is
giving
the
playground
to
the
private
business
Success
Academy
and
doing
so
without
permit
requirement
or
conditions
for
use.
I
Success
Academy
relied
on
the
playground,
planning
required
Success
Academy
to
provide
their
own
playground
and
Council
remove
the
requirement
giving
the
playground
to
the
private
business.
September
23rd
2019
city
council,
meeting
attorney
Frost
asked
the
city
when
the
school
uses
the
playground
and
the
city
answered
anytime,
confirming
that
the
city
gave
the
private
business.
The
playground
in
October
detectives
asked
the
following
questions,
which
supports
my
statement
that
the
city
gave
the
playground
to
the
private
business
Success
Academy
detective.
Do
you
have
access
to?
Are
you
handicapped
at
all
detective?
I
Do
you
have
access
to
take
your
kids
to
any
other
parks
in
Bloomington
different
detective?
Do
you
have
access
to
bring
the
children
over
there
at
other
times
during
the
day?
The
other
detective
have
you
ever
brought
your
grandchildren
over
there
at
other
times.
During
the
day
when
Success
Academy
kids
have
not
been
on
the
playground.
I
October
7
2019
Success
Academy
spoke
to
council
about
public
use
of
the
Smith
Park
playground,
which
further
supports
my
statement
that
the
city
gave
the
Smith
Park
playground
to
the
private
business
Success
Academy
teacher
States
students
are
lucky
to
get
a
long
recess,
and
so
we
had
to
end
recess
early
and
go
inside
parent,
one
that
it
has
crossed
the
line
when
kids
cannot
go
to
recess
when
recess
is
canceled
student.
Two
not
allowing
strangers
to
trespass
during
school
hours
will
fix
this
problem
quite
easily
student.
I
B
I
Okay,
thank
you
yes
and
I
feel
that
he
should
stop
for
your
information.
He,
the
attorney,
was
at
the
playground
one
time
October
3rd
2022
listening
session,
councilman
Nelson
commented
every
other
playground
near
the
city
we
pay
half
of,
and
our
kids
throughout
the
committee
can't
use
it
during
the
day
by
role
at
the
city,
again
2018
staff
report
States.
I
I
The
city
is
not
responsible
for
providing
the
private
business
Success
Academy
a
playground
or
entrance,
or
any
more
than
it
is
responsible
for
providing
any
other
Private
Business
a
playground
entrance
or
any
other
need.
This
is
the
importance
of
stating
the
private
business
Success
Academy
October
3rd
2022
listening
session
council
member
Colter
comments.
The
idea
that
things
would
change
after
the
public
comment
period
is
closed.
That
happens
in
2011
Titus,
the
applicant
for
AF
byfc,
slash,
daf
and
the
council
were
negotiating
terms
for
the
cup
council.
I
Member
Wilcox
commented
that
the
city
does
not
do
that
that
it
goes
back
to
the
planning,
and
that
is
what
I
have
observed
when
watching
City
Council
meetings,
September
10,
2018
former
mayor
States,
putting
in
a
playground
might
be
something
that
would
be
really
not
unnecessary
meeting
recess
at
11
02
pm
from
the
minutes
mayor
Winstead
explained.
This
item
will
be
held
while
staff
works
with
the
applicant
and
will
come
back
to
complete
this
item.
When
staff
returns
to
the
council
chambers
reconvened
at
11,
19
PM
City
attorney
recommended
deleting
to
eliminate
the
playground
requirement.
I
B
B
I
B
I
I'm
asking
you
to
recognize,
what's
been
happening
and
understand
how
having
what
had
happened
at
that
meeting
where
the
mayor,
you
know,
didn't,
follow
procedure
and
then
the
ripple
effect
of
it
and
then
the
negativity
of
the
council,
the
community
and
everything
where
you
know
like
you
had
asked.
Did
those
children
say
that
because
I
had
an
attorney
at
the
playground?
Well
I
had
an
attorney
at
the
playground
because
we
were
trying
to
get
the
playground
back.
I
mean
so
much
focus.
B
Is
okay,
so
that
you
it
you,
you
had
your
your
information
there,
you
provided
it
you're
asking
for
understanding.
Obviously,
you've
read
it
and
we
understood
it
now
and
we
understood
it
I
think
we
disagree
with
a
lot
of
your
assertions.
We
understand
what
you
said,
but
but
we
we
disagree,
I
mean
I,
think,
there's
a
lot
of
disagreement
and
with.
B
And
without
a
an
ask
now,
if
you
don't
have
a
request
coming
forward,
can
we
put
this
issue
to
bed
I?
Think
the
last
few
times
you've
come.
We've
started
with
the
former
mayor
at
the
2011
meeting,
which
is
a
long
time
ago
in
our
Sally,
so
I
mean
I
I
mean
basically
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
steal
the
legal
thing
here.
It's
asked
and
answered
I
mean
you,
you
made
the
request,
you
brought
it
forward,
I,
don't
think,
there's
an
action
item
here.
We
appreciate
the
information
and
we
move
on.
I
Hard
to
move
on,
for
instance,
you
know
you
pointed
out
again
that
the
attorney
was
at
the
playground
legally
at
the
playground.
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
you
just
agree
with.
I
I
I
D
B
B
I
And
I
had
detectives
at
my
house
asking
me
if
I
was
handicapped
I'm
trying
to
use
the
the
neighboring
playground
and
I
have
detectives
at
my
house
saying:
can
I
go
to
another
place?
This
is
a
public
playground
and
so
I'm
still
here
recently
listening
to
a
council
member,
say
something
to
what
was
the
sentiment.
I
Oh,
we
had
to
build
another
playground
because
of
the
complaint,
and
it's
like.
No,
that's
not
why
you
had
to
build
a
playground,
it's
a
private
business,
this
they
needed
a
playground
and
they
should
have
built
a
playground
in
the
beginning.
Okay,.
B
I
H
I
guess
my
opinion
is
that,
like
this
was
a
long
time
before,
I
was
on
Council
and
a
lot
of
other
people
and
I
guess
my
Approach
is
that,
like
I
think
we
should
focus
on
what
we
can
control
moving
forward?
That's
all
we
can
do
like.
We
can't
change
the
past,
so
I
don't
like
they
have
a
playground.
They
have
their
own
Playground.
Now
right.
B
B
I
G
H
Other
thing
is
that,
like
they
weren't,
so
many
truths
right,
you
have
your
truth.
Other
people
involved.
No
other
truth.
No,
that's
it's
been
litigated.
No!
No.
That
part
is
that
like
can't
come
every
single
time
and
you
speak
and
you
read
and
we
we
listen
to
you
and
you're
never
satisfied,
and
we
don't
know
what
to
do
well,
for
instance,
for.
I
You,
the
part
that
was
litigated
was
the
city
writing
in
a
constitutional
city
code.
That
is
what
was
litigated.
It
included
other
information,
but
that
was
never
heard.
So
what
had
happened
is
the
case
had
gone
to
the
Minnesota
courts
and
it
was
dismissed
and
then
it
was
appealed
to
the
district
court
and
the
district
court
was
supposed
to
ask
that
it
go
back
to
the
Minnesota
court,
but
instead
The
District
Court
made
the
decision,
so
this
was
never
heard
in
a
court.
I
never
had
any
interchange
back
and
forth.
Understanding.
I
I
didn't
know
that
the
mayor
had
thought
that
my
attorney
was
posting
pictures
and
he
wasn't.
He
was
absolutely
not
and
that's
something
you
guys
should
all
know
I
mean
you
have
an
opinion
in
your
head,
that
an
attorney
who's
out.
There
posting
pictures
and
he
wasn't
absolutely
not.
Ever.
He
was
taking
pictures
of
my
children,
grandchildren.
He
went
to
the
park
and
I
said
it's
not
safe
and
it
this
is
interesting
too.
I
E
Up,
okay,
I
guess:
I
mean
I
at
the
risk
of
sort
of
restating
what
council
member
Carter
has
said
and
what
I
have
said
multiple
times,
and
it's
not
clear,
I
think
for
whatever
reason,
I
mean
Sally.
You've
been
coming
to
Council
meetings
as
long
as
I've
been
on
the
council
on
long
before
that
too,
and
it's
not
it's
still
not
clear
to
any
of
us,
it's
not
clear
to
me
after
five
years
of
being
on
this
Council.
What
exactly
are
you
looking
for?
E
What
will
satisfy
you
because
it
feels
like
every
week
you
come
back
and
you
bring
something
up
from
11
12
years
ago
and
where
none
the
wiser
for
what
you're.
Looking
for
what
are
you,
you
say
you're,
looking
for
understanding,
how
can
we
prove
that
we
understand,
because,
because
I
think
understanding
and
agreement
are
different?
If
we
don't
agree
with
you,
that
doesn't
mean
we
don't
understand
what
you're
saying
and
I
think
this
is
the
frustrations.
You
keep
coming
back
and
you
keep
telling
us
you
give
us
all
of
this
information.
E
G
Here
you
may
not
know
that
those
pictures
were
used.
The
way
that
the
the
the
mayor
described
them,
but
I
can
pull
it
up
and
I
can
show
it
to
you,
and
so
it's
amazing
and
so
well,
I
I,
don't
really
want
to
share
it
because
it's
really
gross
but
but
I,
but
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
like
understand
that
oftentimes
we
get
the
information
from
the
public
right,
and
so
what
you
may
or
may
not
know
have
happened,
doesn't
mean
that
it
didn't
happen
and
so.
I
G
Understanding
of
our
Council,
no
I'm,
saying
to
you
that
the
that
the
video
that
I
have
in
front
of
me
here
is
blatantly
anti-islamic.
That
has
nothing
to
do
with
me,
but
the
source
of
the
videos
is
the
is
the
is
the
work
that
was
done.
That's
my
point,
so
they
were
taken
and
they
were
used.
Nefariously
and.
G
To
I'm
not
trying
to
equate
it
I'm
I'm,
giving
you
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
right
now,
Sally
by
saying
you
may
not
have
known
this
existed
like
I,
totally
understand
I'm,
just
letting
you
know
it
happened,
and
so
I'm
not
trying
to
blame
you
for
that.
That's
not
the
reason
I,
but
I'm
I'm,
letting
you
know
that,
no
matter,
no
matter
what
your
intentions
were,
it
got
away
from
you
and
everybody
else
and
became
something
very
nefarious.