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From YouTube: City Council Listening Session April 17, 2023
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A
B
B
No
you're
good,
now
you're
good,
no
you're
good!
You
come
on
you
just
we.
We
usually
have
a
pre-registration,
but
just
so
I
know
who's
going
to
be
here
and
we
can
prep
for
you
a
little
bit
if
need
be,
but
I'm
guessing
I
can
figure
out
what
you're
going
to
talk
about.
Why
don't
you
just
come
forward
we'll
get
this
straight.
C
Damn
hurry
and
as
I
sign
in
mayor
and
console,
we
just
wanted
to
continue
the
discussion
last
time
around
on
just
putting
forth
a
recommendation
handing
out
putting
it
for
maybe
slightly
different
in
terms
of
percentage
to
cover
some
density
council
member
dalessandro
that
we
sent
but
directionally
yeah
Dan
is
kind
of
the
expert,
so
he
speaks
more
intelligently
and
I,
so
he's
going
to
help
kind
of
run
through,
but
just
wanted
to
have
a
copy
for
for
everyone.
Here.
A
D
D
A
E
Yeah,
so
basically
we
just
took
in
our
last
proposal
at
the
20th
meeting,
talked
about
an
overlay
district
and
understand,
obviously
the
complexity
behind
that
for
the
city
and
difficulty
and
regulating
that
so
we've
focused
on
just
on
creating
a
a
residential
environmental
preservation,
District
and
thought
you
know
our
neighborhood
could
basically
be
a
pilot
neighborhood
for
it
with
other
neighborhoods
if
they
want
to
participate
going
through
the
traditional
City
process
of
redistricting,
or
you
guys
had
other
thoughts
on
how
anybody
else
would
ever
do
that.
E
Obviously,
that's
your
call,
so,
basically,
the
the
gist
of
it
is
we're
focusing
on
tree
preservation
standards.
So
the
current
limit
of
significant
trees
that
can
be
removed
without
reforestation
is
50.
E
I,
don't
know
I
mean
our
neighborhood
is:
has
a
heavy
tree
canopy
cover,
so
you
know
we're
proposing
a
30
reduction
or
reduction
to
30
percent,
so
that
would
help
protect
the
current
tree
canopy.
During
development
we
put
together
some
language
on
creating
fencing
requirements
to
help
the
passage
of
wildlife
around
the
neighborhood
and
throughout
the
city
and
then
retained
the
excuse
me,
the
impervious
surface
coverage
at
35
percent,
so
so
I
think
I
had
sent
out
in
some
emails.
E
You
know:
I
drove
the
city
drove
the
bluff
districts,
Nine
Mile
Creek.
You
know
over
the
last
few
weekends
and
tried
to
you
know,
look
for
neighborhoods
that
kind
of
shared
similar
characteristics
and
we
worked
to
put
something
together.
That
would
work
for
the
entire
city
in
small
Pockets,
so
we'll
go
through
specific
neighborhoods
later,
but
and
in
terms
of
media
Insight.
With
we
kept,
we
would
like
to
keep
that
at
65
percent.
E
We
think
that's
a
good
balance
between
allowing
density
in
the
neighborhoods
and
preserving
existing
homes
and
then,
lastly,
proposed
a
a
22
000
square
foot
lot
minimum.
So
that's
a
similar
reduction
from
the
rs1
lot.
Minimum
of
33
000
square
feet.
So,
if
you
took
you
know
the
11
000
square
feet
for
R1,
produce
that
to
7
800.
E
B
F
The
other
day,
I
would
just
like
to
understand
the
impervious
surface
and
runoff
and
water,
because
I
know,
new
developments
have
a
ton
of
requirements
in
terms
of
water
management,
and
one
of
the
concerns
that
was
raised
is
are
those
developments
that
were
older
in
a
position
to
handle
that
type
of
runoff
and
water
management
and
thought
it
was
a
fair
question
that
was
asked.
Thank
you,
the
you
know,
like
I
said,
new
ones
have
Retention
Ponds
and
infill
and
Outfield
or
whatever
the
you
know,
the
quantity
and
that
so.
F
Came
out,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
neighbor
could
handle.
They
had
concerns
about
that
I,
don't
know
if
they
can
or
again.
Maybe
it
is
able
to
based
on
engineering,
but
that
would
be
one
point
that
I
want
to
know.
B
F
We
don't
want
to
cause
more
problems
by
creating
more
imperative
service
and
so
I
think
that's
what
you
get
focused
on
and
we've
got
these
types
of
things.
Let's
make
sure
we
don't
cause
other
problems,
because
just
because
it
was
developed
previously
so
yeah.
A
I
think
the
proposal,
if
I
can
Mr
prayers
is
35.
Unless
you
have
a
lot
under
11
000,
and
then
you
could
go
to
45
with
certain
like
balances
or
whatever
I,
based
on
the.
What
we
know
about
this
particular
area
I
doubt
that
that
would
ever
go
above
the
35
threshold,
but
it
doesn't
look
like
they're
look,
there's
doesn't
look
like
you're
suggesting
less
than
that
correct.
F
Correct,
okay,
yeah,
all
right
and
I
think
the
the
concern
that
was
raised
with
me
is
there's
already
water
issues
there
to
be
fair,
there's
already
water
issues
in
other
places
within
the
city,
the
entire
city,
I
mean
obviously
did
a
lot
up
by
American
and
stuff
like
that,
but
and
and
so
just
making
sure
we
have
capacity
there,
because
you
know
some
things.
It
may
make
sense
to
put
this
in
place:
sponsor
Road
changes,
movements
to
the
storm
water
sewer
system,
or
something
like
that.
F
E
I,
don't
think
that
makes
sense
and
councilmember
Nelson
I
mean
the
other
thing.
I
think
just
an
impervious
surface
is
just
the
ability
to
develop
more
space
right.
It's
great
bigger
homes
are,
you
know,
basically,
I
would
say:
tear
down
more
trees,
right
redevelop,
the
existing
natural
environments.
So
it's
been
that
at
35
percent
my
mind
at
least
maybe
I'm
totally
off
base,
but
serves
a
dual
purpose.
So.
F
Think
from
my
perspective,
I
want
to
see
the
opportunity
to
develop
unique
products
that
we
don't
have
currently
products
that
seniors
can
afford
live
in
main
level
living
level
housing.
Those
types
of
things
I'm,
like
I,
said
we're
going
to
create
the
tremendous
amount
with
this
change,
but
at
least
it
provides
the
opportunity
because
we
know
we're
not
creating
it
with
the
rules
we
have
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
those
opportunities
respectful
of
honor
and
bad
nature.
So.
A
Thank
you
so
Mr
Mayor,
the
the
my
understanding
from
conversations
I've
had
with
City
staff
already
is
that
you
know
creating
some
kind
of
an
overlay
district
is
a
longer
term.
Ask
it's
not
something
that
you
know
just
have
an
air
happens,
and
you
know
the
the
question
I
think
that's
on
the
table,
at
least
in
my
mind,
which
is
you
know
for
you.
A
It's
actually
something
I
think
that's
as
valuable
city-wide
considering
climate
crisis
and
all
of
those
kinds
of
things
that
we
look
at
whether
or
not
we
need
to
create
places
where
we
know
there
are
pockets
of
environmental
value
according
to
our
own
analysis,
on
habitat,
Carters
and
Wetland
preservation
planning
and
the
money
we're
trying
to
get
for
Nine,
Mile,
Creek
Etc,
right
that
we
could
look
at
that.
But.
C
A
Won't
necessarily
be
something
that
happens
by
the
time
this
may
con.
This
may
thing
rolls
around
right,
and
so
the
next
question
becomes
well.
What
is
the
short-term
or
stop
Gap
measure?
If
we
all
agree
that
that
was
something
we
wanted
to
do?
What
would
be
the
short
term?
What
would
be
the
short-term
compromises
we
could
come
to?
That
would
not
put
those
areas
in
Jeopardy
prior
to
us.
D
I
think
it'd
be
helpful,
even
just
high
level
bullet
points
when
this
is
next
back.
Of
course,
I
I
know,
for
example,
my
lot
I
can't
build
on
85
of
it
because
of
watershed
management,
protection
standards
and
in
a
lot
of
the
properties
that
have
been
highlighted
in
presentations
from
staff.
Already,
that's
what
it
applies
to
so
I'd
be
curious,
especially
in
our
next
conversation.
If
we
want
to
tee
up
a
bigger
thing
about
an
overlay
District,
how
much
of
what
would
be
contained-
and
that
is
already
contained.
B
D
F
Yeah
I'm
a
bit
hesitant
to
create
overlay
districts
just
given
my
knowledge
of
new
development
standards.
These
things
are
usually
in
there
in
standards,
but
I
just
want
to
see
if
our
existing
developments
meet
those
standards,
you
know
for
for
Watershed
and
I
I,
just
I'm
not
entirely
sure
we
needed
a
whole
new
one,
but
hey
to
deal
with
that.
F
A
C
F
B
B
Little
bit,
yeah
I
was
going
to
say
that
as
well
too
much
of
a
substance.
What
we
might
want
to
do
is:
okay.
We
we
have.
We
have
a
proposal.
We
have
the
idea.
What
I
think
the
the
appropriate
thing
would
to
do
would
be
to
bring
it
up
at
Council
policy
and
issue
update,
and
if
we
get
enough
nodding
heads
that
we
want
to
consider
this
and
continue
moving
to
direct
staff,
perhaps
to
flesh
this
out
a
little
bit
more
continue
that
conversation.
D
E
D
E
So
there's
a
lot.
There
are
a
lot
of
seconds
on
this
30
seconds.
So
there's
a
lot
of
questions
about
math,
asked
city
council
meeting
and
just
as
I
was
putting
together.
The
basic
math
of
this
I
mean
I
kind
of
I
thought
about
this.
E
Today,
like
you
know,
if
developers
are
looking
at
building
taking
houses
that
are
below,
let's
say
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
value
as
lots
to
redevelop,
if
they're
doing
that
in
neighborhoods,
such
as
Norman
Ridge
you're,
basically
taking
out
the
entry
point
for
the
neighborhood
and
you're
creating
an
enclave
by
eliminating
houses
under
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
I
mean
the
math
is
pretty
straightforward,
got
it
all
written
out
here
for
everybody
I
think
everybody
already
knows
all
this
stuff,
but
it's
just
it's
a
dynamic
that
I
didn't
consider
until
today
that
you
know
the
ordinance
as
it's
written
today
as
it
would
affect.
E
F
B
E
So,
as
a
quick
point
of
reference,
so
we've
been
Guided
by
developers
is
that
they
want
to
spend
less
than
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
a
house
if
they're
going
to
split
it.
So
you
take
a
500,
000
house
or
a
400
000
house
split
it
in
two.
You
know
divide
that
number
by
two
pretty
straightforward
and
then
the
four
hundred
thousand
dollar
build
is
a
number
I.
Think
the
HRA
build
cost
for
the
project
on
Penn
was
around
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
So
that's
where
I
got
that
number
from.