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From YouTube: August 31, 2020 Bloomington City Council Study Meeting
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Bloomington Minnesota City Council Study Meeting
A
A
A
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
council
members
good
evening.
Everybody
we
do
have
torrey
edison
who's
with
us,
and
our
human
resource
manager.
Becky
barham,
is
also
with
us.
We
periodically
try
to
bring
employees
in
front
of
the
council
when
they're
being
recognized
for
good
work,
and
this
is
certainly
one
of
those
cases.
E
The
lead
academy
provides
a
unique
option
for
cities
to
prepare
emerging
leaders
with
the
skills
needed
to
effectively
lead
within
an
organization
such
as
conflict
management,
leading
through
change,
encouraging
and
developing
others.
Ethics,
coaching
and
even
more
being
a
great
supervisor,
is
more
than
being
a
good
subject.
Matter
expert,
as
you
know,
learning
how
to
lead,
motivate
and
influence.
People
and
teams
takes
practice
and
a
commitment
to
personal
growth
and
development
in
times
like
we
are
in
now.
Focusing
on
professional
growth
and
development
is
an
important
priority.
E
I'm
proud
of
you
in
the
city
of
bloomington
for
participating
in
the
program
tori.
I
want
to
personally
congratulate
you
for
being
one
of
the
first
graduates
of
the
lead
academy
program.
I
wish
you
all
the
best
in
your
local
government
career
when
you
go
the
extra
mile
to
learn
how
to
be
a
better
leader.
You,
your
city
and
the
community,
are
better
for
it.
Thank
you
very
much
all
the
best,
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
you
at
a
future
league
event,
have
a
great
day.
D
Thanks
to
dave
and
becky,
if
I
could
invite
you
into
the
conversation,
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
it
was
important
for
torrey
to
participate
in
this
program
in
terms
of
how
it
helps
our
human
resources
division
and
then
we'll
certainly
invite
torian
to
say
a
few
words
as
well.
E
D
All
right:
well,
can
you
please
just
share
with
the
council
why
this
program
is
important
and
how
it
helps
us
in
our
work
that
the
human
resources
division
does
and
and
talk
about
torrey's
participation
and
then
we'll
give
tori
a
chance.
F
I
know
that
she
enjoyed
the
series
of
courses
and
she
gained
valuable
knowledge
that
will
benefit
her
not
only
in
her
career
with
the
city
of
bloomington,
but
the
city
itself
as
torrey
is
the
lead
coordinator
for
the
city
supervisor,
training
series
with
the
city.
I'm
also
looking
forward
to
the
knowledge
that
she
will
inject
into
our
planning
for
our
future
supervisor
training
offerings
at
the
city.
So
thank
you
and
congratulations
tori.
F
C
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
recognition
I'm.
I
just
want
to
say.
I'm
really
extremely
grateful
and
thankful
that
I
work
for
organization
that
allows
me
to
grow
professionally
as
well
as
personally,
I
love
to
learn.
I
love
to
learn
about
a
lot
of
things
and
the
lead
academy
was
a
really
good
opportunity,
not
only
to
learn
a
subject
matter,
but
to
learn
from
other
agencies
and
cities
who
were
sort
of
going
through
the
same
things
or
changes
that
we
were.
So
I
not
only
learned
from
my
instructors.
D
Thanks
tori,
and
just
for
the
council's
benefit,
in
addition
to
coordinating
our
supervisor
training
program,
do
you
want
to
talk
to
us
real
quickly
about
the
departments
that
you
support
in
your
work
as
a
human
resource
representative.
C
I
can
so
I
support
the
police
department,
the
fire
department,
administration,
community
service
and,
and
that
includes
parking
right
clearly,
the
dmv
as
well
as
public
health,
so
I
really
enjoy
the
departments
I
work
for
they're
all
very
different,
so
I
also
like
the
added
challenge
of
getting
to
know
exactly
what
they
need
and
providing
being
proactive
and
reactive,
but
it's
a
really
joy
to
come
to
work
every
day
at
the
city.
A
Well,
congratulations,
tori,
and-
and
well
done.
I
mean
this
as
people
have
brought
up
this
during
to
do
this
during
a
pandemic
when
being
away
from
work
to
have
all
the
other
stress
and
everything
else
going
on
in
your
life
everything
else
and
to
take
it
on
at
this
time
very
impressive.
So
I'm
I'm
very
impressed
glad
that
you
did
it
thankful
that
you
did
it
because,
obviously
it
raises
the
level
of
excellence
within
the
bloomington
city,
employee
pool
and
it's
greatly
appreciated.
A
So
congratulations
well
done.
Becky!
Thank
you
for
having
a
establishing
a
department
that
encourages
this
type
of
leadership
and
learning
and
the
ongoing
learning
and
the
continuous
improvement.
So
that's
that's
another
another!
Thank
you
that
needs
to
go
out
and
and
to
our
city
manager
as
well,
mr
verbruge,
for
kind
of
laying
that
out
as
the
culture
here
in
the
city
of
bloomington,
that
it's
a
continuous
improvement,
a
culture
of
continuous
improvement
and
wanting
to
get
better,
and
I
think
we've
seen
it
most
definitely
here
and
in
my
reading.
A
C
A
Well,
good
job
well
done
and
the
I
think
we
had
a
little
technical
issues
as
we
tried
to
load
this
on,
but
I'm
sure
we'll
get
it
loaded
up
on
the
the
city
website
and,
along
with
some
information
about
the
recognition
that
tory
received,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
the
video
and
mr
unlocked
straightened
away
and
synced
up
a
little
bit
better.
So
we
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
see
it
as
it's
supposed
to
be
so
well
done.
Congratulations!
A
With
that,
we
can
move
on
to
item
2.2
on
our
agenda,
which
is
a
community
budget
advisory
committee
update
and
the
update
that
we're
going
to
be
hearing
from
co-chair.
Mr
steve
peterson
is
a
recommendation
by
the
committee
regarding
the
2021
preliminary
tax
levy.
This
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
tasked
the
community
budget
advisory
committee.
To
do.
A
The
the
key
thing
that
we
asked
them
to
do
was
to
review
city
budget
information,
review
the
realities
around
it
all
the
externals
and
internals
that
we
had
to
to
go
with
and
ask
them
to
come
back
to
the
city
council
with
a
recommendation,
and
I
think,
co-chair
peterson
and
co-chair
peterson
have
done
a
good
job,
leading
the
the
group,
the
committee
through
the
process
and
now
they're
back
and
ready
to
give
us
a
recommendation
for
the
council
to
consider
so
steve.
How
are
you
this
evening?
Welcome
thanks
for
being
here
and
yeah.
G
Okay
thanks
a
lot,
so
I'm
gonna
share
the
presentation
here
in
just
a
second.
Let
me
get
the
right
one.
G
Yeah,
so
I'm
here
tonight
to
talk
about
the
preliminary
levy
recommendation
from
the
community
budget
advisory
committee
and,
if
you
remember
from
the
items
that
we
had
for
deliverables
for
the
committee,
there
were
really
three
main
deliverables.
If
you
look
at
the
bottom
three
rows
in
terms
of
reports
to
the
city
council,
there's
the
preliminary
levy
recommendation,
which
is
what
we're
talking
about
tonight
end
of
august.
G
F
G
Work
for
the
fiscal
2021
budget,
with
some
budget
scenarios
that
will
come
to
the
council
in
early
november,
walk
through
a
little
bit
of
background
on
this
topic.
We'll
just
kind
of
preside
provide
some
context
for
the
recommendation,
we're
making
and
if
folks
from
the
public
are
watching
just
to
understand
what
the
committee
has
been
working
on
and
what
we've
been
discussing.
G
This
slide
that
I'm
showing
right
now
just
talks
a
little
bit
about
the
difference
between
the
preliminary
and
the
final
tax
levy
each
year,
and
one
of
the
questions
that
people
oftentimes
ask
when
they
get
involved
in
this
process
is
what
what?
What
is
the
preliminary
levy
versus
the
final
levy?
The
preliminary
levy
is
a
dollar
amount
that
the
city
sets
for.
Basically,
a
proposed
amount
of
taxes,
that's
going
to
be
collected
for
the
next
calendar
year.
That's
that's
a
maximum
that
needs
to
be
set.
G
It's
an
amount
that
gets
sent
to
me
that
gets
set
by
the
city
council
sometime
in
september,
and
it's
used
for
two
reasons.
One
is
it
it
does
set
that
maximum
amount.
It's
also
used
to
set
the
proposed
tax
amount
numbers
that
get
distributed
on
the
truth
and
taxation
statement
that
gets
mailed
to
each
taxpayer
in
the
city
in
early
november.
G
So
what
this
chart
shows
is
the
history
of
the
preliminary
versus
final
levies.
It's
in
reverse
year
order.
I
mean,
if
you
look
over
in
the
right
two
columns,
the
preliminary
percentage
and
the
final
percentage
columns
you'll
see
that,
for
example,
for
the
the
current
year
that
we're
in
2020
the
preliminary
levy
that
the
council
selected
was
a
six
percent
levy
and
the
final
levy
was
4.75.
G
So
I
think
the
point
on
this
slide
basically,
is
that
this
preliminary
levy
necessarily
ends
up
being
a
little
bit
higher
than
the
final
levy,
so
there's
room
to
maneuver
on
the
budget.
G
The
next
step.
I
want
to
talk
about
kind
of
assumptions
that
we're
making
in
terms
of
formulating
our
budget
proposals
for
the
budget
for
next
year.
One
of
the
obvious
things
that
we're
that
we're
off
tackling
is
the
pretty
significant
declines
that
we
see
in
lodging
and
emissions
taxes
we're
expecting
those
tax
revenue
declines
to
continue
in
the
2021
budget.
G
We've
agreed
to
a
couple
changes
that
are
related
to
taking
money
that
had
been
saved
for
certain
purposes
and
using
it
to
pay
for
services
in
2021.
There's
two
of
those
that
we've
selected,
one
is
what's
called
the
normandale
lake
abatement
dish
district.
That's
a
development
district,
that's
near
the
84th
and
normandale
area
in
the
city
and
money
had
been
saved
in
that
abatement
district
to
pay
for
infrastructure
improvements,
but
in
terms
of
looking
at
what's
actually
going
to
be
necessary
there.
G
We're
also
including
savings
next
year
for
replacing
the
pool
vessel
at
the
city's
valley
view,
pool
it's
not
saying
that
we're
not
going
to
replace
that
cool
vessel
when
it
becomes
necessary
to
be
replaced,
but
instead
we
would
pay
for
part
of
that
by
borrowing
money
as
opposed
to
having
saved
the
money
and
up
in
some
other
assumptions
that
we've
built
in
is
that
we've
agreed
that
we're
not
going
to
have
any
cost
of
living
increases
for
staff
for
any
of
the
open
union
contracts
and
for
the
non-union
employees
of
the
city.
G
We
intend
to
hold
the
internal
service
charges
that
are
collected
internally
for
services
flat
and
we're
not
planning
on
any
increase
in
the
debt
service
amount
in
the
tax
levy
and
this
language
about
the
pir
capital
fund.
That's
basically,
a
fund.
That's
used
to
pay
him
large
part
for
street
improvements
in
terms
of
the
city.
G
What
I
want
to
talk
about
next
is
a
set
of
assumptions
around
that
first
bullet
on
this
chart,
which
is
the
significant
declines
in
lodging
and
admissions
tax
revenues,
and
there's
really
three
scenarios
that
we
end
up.
Looking
at
there
was
a
worst
case,
a
moderate
case
and
a
best-case
set
of
scenarios
that
we
looked
at
budget
wise.
G
At
this
point,
in
the
year
for
planning
purposes,
the
committee
decided
to
use
the
worst
case,
values
as
the
values
that
we're
going
to
use
for
determining
our
planning
going
forward
for
into
the
fall
and
also
in
our
discussions
around
the
preliminary
levy.
And
the
reason
is
is
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
risk
and
the
budget
was
on
the
upside
of
the
budget.
And
so
we
decided
to
select
that
set
of
numbers
as
the
working
set
of
numbers.
G
So
if
we
select
that
as
the
working
set
of
numbers,
then
this
is
really
the
property
tax
levy
scenario
that
we
end
up
with
in
that
situation,
and
the
couple
key
things
that
I
want
to
point
out
on
this
chart,
I'm
not
going
to
walk
through
it
in
detail
is,
in
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
this
cable
at
the
in
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
shows
you
what
the
necessary
change
to
the
tax
levy
is
required
in
order
to
close
part
or
all
of
the
gap,
and
just
to
point
this
out
here
at
seven
percent,
for
example,
that
leaves
about
a
three
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollar
gap
in
the
budget.
G
In
other
words,
we
have
less
revenue
than
and
we
have
expenses
if
we
have
a
zero
percent
levy
increase.
That
leaves
a
four
point:
nine
million
dollar
gap,
the
other
area
that
I
want
to
point
out,
because
this
is
something
that
you
hear
both
me
talk
about
and
I'm
guessing
you'll
hear.
The
manager
talk
about
in
a
little
bit
is
around
the
property
value
changes
as
a
reminder
for
taxes
that
are
paid
in
2021
this.
G
The
assessment
that
that's
based
on
are
assessments
that
occurred
with
a
date
at
the
beginning
of
this
calendar
year,
in
other
words
at
the
beginning
of
2020.,
so
that
was
all
pre
pandemic,
so
this
chart
here
shows
the
impact
of
the
property
value
changes
in
each
of
the
taxing
categories
that
occurred.
G
As
of
that
particular
point
in
time,
this
picture
in
2022
is
going
to
be
substantially
different
and
just
a
little
bit
of
foreshadowing
we're
going
to
see
a
pretty
substantial
increase
in
values
in
residential,
assuming
that
current
trends
continue
and
there's
obvious
impacts
in
the
value
of
commercial
properties
of
the
pandemic,
both
on
office
buildings
and
on
hotel
and
retail.
There's
some
pretty
obvious,
pretty
obvious
impacts
there.
G
So
if
you
pick,
for
example,
if
you
pick
the
best
case
scenario
and
we
had
a
three
percent
levy-
increase,
no
reductions
would
need
to
be
made
in
the
budget
if
you
picked,
that
particular
set
of
accommodations
and
the
reason
I
wanted
this
slide
included
in
the
deck
today
was
just
to
kind
of
talk
about
how
we
are
trying
to
take
a
worst-case
approach
to
things
and
if
we
get
data
as
the
fall
goes
along.
G
That
shows
that
that's
not
quite
the
case
we'll
be
able
to
make
some
adjustments
all
the
way
up
to
december,
when
the
council
makes
its
final
decision
around
the
budget.
But
we
didn't
want
to
have
to
keep
kind
of
going
back
to
the
well,
if
the.
If
we
had
variances
on
the
wrong
direction
here,
and
so
that's
why
the
worst
case.
G
So
one
of
the
things
that's
a
little
bit
different
than
how
the
council
has
talked
about.
This
is
that
the
committee
chose
to
have
the
conversation
around
the
amount
of
levy
in
terms
of
annual
dollars
for
the
median
value
and
you'll
see
that
the
proposal
that
we'll
be
making
tonight,
which
is
the
6.44
proposal,
is
really
a
60
annual
increase
on
the
median
value
home.
G
G
So
I
have
a
couple
slides
here
that
talk
about
the
impact
of
this
particular
proposal
on
median
value
homes,
kind
of
broken
up
by
city
council
district,
just
so
that
folks
can
get
a
sense
of
the
the
four
corners
of
the
city
and
how
it
impacts
things.
In
this
particular
example,
district
1.
G
They
picked
a
house
with
a
median
value
of
335
700,
that's
the
median
value
home
in
this
particular
area
and
for
a
home
in
that
area.
That's
a
monthly
change
of
nine
dollars
and
ten
cents
for
district
two.
The
southwest
corner
of
the
city
houses
are
more
expensive
in
that
part
of
town
and
so
a
house
in
this
area.
The
median
value
house
is
489
thousand
dollars.
That's
a
12
a
month
change
district
3,
the
northwestern
part
of
the
city
houses
also
up
here,
are
more
expensive
than
the
average
in
the
city
at
489.
G
000
house
would
pay
about
a
little
bit
under
13
more
a
month
on
this
proposal
and
then
finally,
in
district
4,
the
northeastern
part
of
the
city
with
the
most
moderately
priced
homes
in
the
city,
this
part
of
town
that
would
represent
a
little
bit
under
five
dollars
a
month
with
respect
to
the
the
proposal
that
we're
making.
G
So
we
are
out
gathering
feedback
from
folks
around
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
particular
in
september.
We
are
in
october
we're
collecting
information
on
the
plans
that
we
have
in
september,
we're
gathering
feedback
prior
to
making
any
decisions
around
changes
to
the
budget.
G
And
if
you
go
to
the
community
budget
advisory
committee's
website,
which,
if
you
type
in
the
url
blm.mn
cdac
it's
down
here
on
the
bottom
of
this
slide,
you
can
see
what
the
schedule
is
and
how
to
participate
in
the
virtual
listening
sessions.
And
so
I
did
mention
in
september
prior
to
the
decisions
that
we're
making.
G
People
will
have
the
opportunity
to
have
input
then,
and
then,
when
we
have
created
the
budget
scenarios,
we'll
have
listening
sessions
in
the
middle
of
october,
receive
feedback
on
specific
parts
of
the
budget
proposals
that
we
have
put
forward.
G
The
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
just
in
terms
of
more
detail
is
around
the
background
on
the
forecasting,
and
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
at
the
committee
around
the
city's
forecast,
particularly
for
the
logic
industry.
G
So
at
this
point
I'm
gonna
be
available
to
answer
questions
from
folks,
but
just
to
kind
of
sum
up.
Our
proposal
is
that
the
council
select
a
six
point:
four
for
six
point:
four:
four
percent
elementary
levy
increase
for
the
fiscal
21
budget.
A
Thank
you,
coach,
peterson,
the
the
two
slides
that
you
finished
with
the
the
lodging
and
emissions
tax
forecasting
and
I
would
agree
the
city
staff
has
a
very
strong
handle
on
that.
Now
perhaps
you
could
talk
just
a
little
bit
more
about
that
for
the
six
bullets
that
you
do
have
on
those
two
slides.
Could
you
provide
a
bit
more
information,
a
bit
more
detail
behind
the
committee's
thinking
and
ultimately,
the
the
the
the
trust
and
the
belief
that
they
have
in
this
forecasting
model.
G
With
respect
to
this
particular
question
of
what
the
revenues
are
going
to
be
from
those
particular
areas,
in
particular,
they
use
data
from
smith
travel
research
which
there's
a
very
highly
regarded
national
firm
that
does
forecasting
around
occupancy
and
rates
in
hotels.
This
is
the
same
data
that
the
convention
bureau
board
reviews
on
a
monthly
basis.
It's
very
commonly
used
by
hotel
developers
to
make
decisions
about
when
a
particular
hotel
market
can
support
more
hotels
and
to
set
values
on
hotels,
and
so
this
data
really
is
super
high
quality
data.
G
The
other
measure
that
they
pay
attention
to
is
a
measure.
That's
in
the
hotel
industry.
They
it's
nicknamed
revpar,
which
is
revenue
per
available
room,
and
what
this
measure
really
does
is
it
says
how
much
revenue
can
a
room
and
hotel
generate
what
they've
been
seeing
is
that
this
has
been
increasing
through
the
summer,
but
the
expectation
is
that
that
increase
is
not
going
to
continue
in
the
fall,
and
this
has
to
do
primarily
with
the
seasonality
of
leisure
travel.
Demand
versus
business
travel
demand.
G
So,
if
you
think
about
why
people
go
to
hotels
in
the
summertime,
it's
very
common
for
people
to
go
on
family
trips,
but
once
school
starts,
people
can
tend
to
generally
be
at
home
more
in
the
fall
except
for
holiday
periods,
but
in
the
fall
and
spring,
and
so
during
those
non-summertime
months,
a
hotel
capacity
tends
to
be
a
little
bit
more
strongly
dominated
by
business
travel
right
now.
G
Big
companies
aren't
doing
a
whole
lot
of
business
travel
so,
for
example,
in
the
company
that
I
work
for,
I
have
to
get
a
corporate
vp
to
approve
my
going
on
a
business
trip
and
knowing
my
corporate
vp,
that's
not
going
to
happen
and
that's
happening
in
a
lot
of
businesses
where
travel
just
isn't
occurring
for
business
purposes.
So
this
summer
we're
seeing
people
traveling
for
holiday
reasons
for
families.
That's
we
don't.
G
We
don't
think
that
that's
going
to
continue
strongly
in
the
fall,
the
other
source
of
data
that
the
city
has
is
we
get
monthly
tax
returns
from
hotels
and
from
restaurants
and
from
the
amusement
establishments
in
the
city,
and
that
gives
us
pretty
much
every
month.
Real-Time
data
that
we
can
use
to
validate
the
forecast,
and
so
I
think
many
of
us
are
hopeful
that
we
see
conditions
return
closer
to
normal
in
this
business.
G
But
being
hopeful
isn't
a
good
foundation
for
planning
and
that's
why
we're
tending
to
take
a
pessimistic
view
from
a
planning
perspective.
H
Thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you,
mr
peterson,
for
the
information
and
appreciate
all
your
work
on
this.
I
know
it's
being
lawn
meetings
for
you
and
the
committee
and,
and
you
guys
are
doing
great
work.
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
got
just
a
couple
questions,
so
the
recommendation
is
six
point
four,
four
percent
for
the
preliminary
levy,
obviously
not
the
final
levy.
H
You
talked
about
that,
but
if
I
understand
that
one
of
the
charts
you
had
earlier
would
that
be
about
a
700
000
reduction
in
the
worst
case
scenario
and
no
reduction
in
a
moderate
case
and
no
reduction
in
a
best
case
scenario.
G
I
think
you're
you
were
looking
at
this
chart
right
here:
okay,.
G
Basically,
I
think
the
it
was
the
committee's
feeling
that
we
wanted
to
keep
our
options
open
so
from
from
a
scenario
perspective.
G
The
actual
scenarios
that
the
committee
has
preliminary
started
work
on
as
a
five
percent
scenario,
a
three
percent
scenario
and
a
one
percent
smear.
So
our
actual
working
assumptions
are
five
percent
three
percent
and
one
percent.
We
picked
the
six
and
a
half
percent
six
point,
four
four
percent
one
because
it
it
sat
in
this
position
and
it
sat
above
that
five
percent
highest
number
that
we
were
working
on,
so
even
in
our
internal
discussions,
we're
not
actually
having
any
discussions
about
doing
a
six
point.
G
Four
four
percent
final
number:
the
initial
final
number
on
our
high
scenario
that
we're
talking
about
is
more
like
a
five
percent
one,
but
we
wanted
some
flexibility
in
there
in
case
economic
conditions
changed
and
the
reason
that
we
wanted
to
do.
That
is
because,
once
we
pick
that
number,
that's
not
a
number
that
we
can
change.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
number
was
high
enough,
that
there
was
some
flexibility
there.
H
But-
and
I
very
much
appreciate
that,
because
I
just
want
to
make
sure
people
understand
that
that
is
not
the
target.
That
is
not
the
goal,
that
is
to
provide
the
city
with
flexibility
if
things
deteriorate
further
than
they
have
been
so
far.
If
there's
a
another
downturn
in
the
fall
or
something
of
that
nature,
so
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
H
One
other
question:
for
you,
two
other
questions
you
you
mentioned:
you're
gonna
do
a
one
three
and
five
percent
scenario.
Just
why
not
a
zero
percent
scenario?
I
know
that
when
we
kind
of
started
these
things,
there
was
some
discussion
of
starting
at
zero
percent
as
our
baseline,
and
I
personally
would
like
to
see
a
zero
percent
scenario
and
what
that
looks
like
and
how
we
get
there.
G
You
know
I
I
I
had
a
conversation
in
the
co-chairs
meeting
that
neil
and
I
have
about
that
and
suggested
to
the
staff
that
practically
speaking,
we
probably
were
going
to
want
to
talk
about
a
zero
percent
number.
G
To
be
honest,
and
to
be
honest
in
the
committee,
we
did
not
spend
a
lot
of
time
discussing
the
five
three
and
one
or
a
five
three
and
zero
sort
of
thing,
but
I
think
your
that
feedback
is
really
valuable
feedback,
because
I
kind
of
swear
it
squares
with
a
feeling
that
I've
had
too,
because
I
think
we
need
to
have
that
option
in
the
next.
When
it
comes
back
to
the
council.
H
Thank
you
and
then
my
last
question
is
I'm
assuming
there
is
no
assumption
of
some
type
of
different
or
new
revenue
stream.
There's
no
changes
in
fee
structure
in
this
budget.
There's
no,
you
know
taking
a
look
at
where
we
might
drive
sponsorship
or
advertising
and
parks
and
recs,
or
something
like
that
that
you
know,
because
those
are
so
unknown
or
you
know
future
oriented,
you're,
again
you're
looking
at
kind
of
worst
case,
but
hopefully
we
can
encourage
staff
and
staff.
H
G
No,
it
really
doesn't
include
that,
and
so,
like
one
of
the
things
that
we
intentionally
discussed
in
that
category
is,
for
example,
there's
been
some
conversation
about
whether
the
airs
act,
funding
and
the
rules
around
that
might
change,
and
it
might
be
able
to
use
for
abuse
for
different
purposes,
but
we
only
take
into
account
things
that
are
actually
enacted
legislatively
so
anything,
for
example
like
we
could
go
to
the
legislature
and
ask
them
to
do
this,
or
we
could
go
to
the
legislature
and
consider
doing
that.
G
We
had
conversations
about
those
sorts
of
things,
but
ultimately
we
came
to
the
conclusion
that
we
were
only
going
to
take
things
that
seem
to
be
reasonably
certain
to
be
realized
and
things
like
selling
sponsorships,
and
things
like
that.
Are
that
that's
money,
that's
on
the
com
and
you
you
have
to
you-
have
to
be
careful
about
assuming
that
in
your
budget.
If,
if
we
end
up
going
and
doing
it
and
it
works
out
and
we've
got
an
idea
like
that-
I'm
not
opposed
to
it.
But
I
don't
think
from
a
planning
perspective.
I
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
thank
you
steve
for
being
here
tonight,
just
sort
of
to
start
off
to
piggyback
on
on
what
councilmember
nelson
mentioned.
Why
not
consider,
for
example,
fee
increases
or
like
parks
and
rec
facilities,
and
things
like
that.
G
So
we
we
did
have
a
conversation
around
fees,
the
and
there
there
are
basically
what
we
heard
is
that
there's
two
categories
of
fees
at
the
city:
there
are
fees
that
are
statutory
fees,
that
the
city
is
able
to
collect,
for
example,
for
building
permits
or
planning
applications,
or
things
like
that.
G
It's
got
a
the
price
of
the
building
permits
got
to
have
some
reasonable
relationship
with
the
actual
cost
of
that,
and
if
there
may
be
some
minor
tweaks
to
that,
but
the
feeling
is
largely
that
those
fees
are
those
fees
that
are
statutory
fees
are
aligned
pretty
directly
with
what
it's
costing
to
deliver
the
service.
So
there's
not
a
there's,
not
a
real
source
of
revenue
there.
G
And
so,
if
we
offer
a
certain
kind
of
class
or
a
certain
kind
of
activity,
people
who
are
doing
that
activity
usually
have
choices
where
they
can
go
and
buy
that
they
could
go
to
edina
and
do
it.
They
could
go
to
richfield
and
do
it.
And
the
fact
is
that
in
a
competitive
environment
like
that,
you
don't
have
the
ability
just
to
raise
the
price
and
force
everybody
to
pay
for
it.
G
What
I
call
the
marketplace:
oriented
fees
to
be
able
to
generate
a
bunch
more
revenue,
one
area
that
the
one
area
that
was
discussed,
but
it
wasn't
felt
that
it
could
be
implemented
for
fiscal
21,
was
about
a
charge
back
to
athletic
organizations
for
field
use,
and
we
did
hear
that
in
bloomington,
we're
in
in
a
somewhat
unusual
situation
that
the
local
athletic
groups
get
field
use
effectively
for
free
in
nearly
all
cases
and
don't
bear
any
cost
for
using
fields.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
I
guess
I
would.
I
would
just
sort
of
encourage
folks
to
to
continue
thinking
about
what
options
might
be
available
in
terms
of
the
increases.
I
know
that
as
a
council
we've
had
this
conversation
before,
and
I
know
others
are
also
of
the
opinion
that
we
we
can
probably
go
a
little
bit
higher
with
some
of
these
without
suffering
suffering
any
any
real
loss
there
and
then
my
my
other
question.
I
I
guess
this
is,
and
this
may
be
more
directed
better
directed
at
staff,
but
the
the
chart
here
in
your
presentation
right
now
essentially
has
this.
I'm
reading
this
correctly
a
sort
of
status
quo
budget
with
the
with
the
priors
and
the
decisions
that
you've
already
made.
What
requires
it?
It's
very
tiny
in
my
ipad,
a
7.59
levy,
increase
you're
talking
about
this
one
right
here
that,
yes,
that's
much
larger.
Thank
you
yeah,
and
so
I
guess
you
know.
I
The
the
math
that
I
have
is
that
going
from
7.59
to
6.44
is
roughly
about
a
654,
000
change,
and
so
I
I
guess
I
don't
need
this
explanation
right
now,
but
this
is
you
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
points
that
I
have
have
sort
of
expanded
on
before,
which
is
you
know
we
can't
separate
what
we
pay
for
from
from
how
we
pay
for
it,
and
so
I
guess
I
would
I
would
like
to
know
you
know
what
what
is
that
654
roughly
that
654
thousand
dollars?
Where
does
that?
I
Come
from
what?
What
does
that
mean?
And
then
the
last
question
I
have
is
just
you
know,
thinking
about
this.
I
This
pool
vessel
decision-
I'm
wondering,
has
there
been
any
discussion
about
other
things
that
the
city
has
been
sort
of
setting
aside,
setting
aside
funds
for
or
planning
to
do,
with,
with
sort
of
cash
funds
for
lack
of
a
better
term
that
could
be
bonded
for
instead
with
with
interest
rates
as
low
as
they
are,
and
I
I
mean
I
think,
they're
going
to
be
low
for
some
time
now
seems
like
a
really
good
time
to
sort
of
be
bold
in
terms
of
our
bonding.
G
Okay,
so
on
the
on
the
second
one,
you
know
I
kind
of
in
the
same
camp
that
you
are
that
right
now,
when
we
can
borrow
money,
you
know,
as
you
know,
cheaply
as
anybody.
Any
of
us
have
had
the
ability
of
our
money
in
our
lifetimes.
We
should
be
borrowing
money
to
pay
for
stuff,
as
opposed
to
saving
for
it.
Going
back
to
the
I'm
trying
to
remember
what
the
first
did.
You
ask
two
different
questions
and
one
question
and
I'm
trying
to
go
back.
I
I
did
sorry
about
that.
The
first
question
was,
you
know,
so,
even
going
from
7.59
in
the
chart
to
6.44,
where
does
that
654
thousand
dollars
come
from?
What
is
that
so
that.
G
The
answer
is
that
we
don't
yet
know
okay
and
the
way
this
process
works
is
that
we've
got
three
things
to
deliver
on.
We've
got
we've
got
this
preliminary
levy,
we've
got
the
three
revenue
scenarios
and
we've
got
the
three
budget
scenarios
and
something's
got
to
go
first
and
we
really
to
be
honest,
the
preliminary
levy
has
to
be
done
first,
because
you
hit
the
council
in
the
next
couple
weeks
need
to
make
a
decision
around
that,
and
so
we
did
not.
We
did
not
go
and
make
any
particular
decision.
G
I
Sure
and
then
and
that's
fair
and
I'm
I'm.
I
guess
I'm
not
necessarily
sure
that
that's
even
your
job
that
I
don't
know
that
that's
necessarily
something
you
were
specifically
tasked
with,
so
that
that
may
be
better
directed
at
staff.
But
I
I
guess
you
know
I.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
as
we're
starting
this
conversation
that
you
know
these.
I
These
dollar
figures
mean
something,
and
so,
if
you
know,
if
we're
going
to
support
any
number,
whether
it's
you
know
7.59
or
or
6.44
that
you
know
we,
we
need
to
be
clear
about
what
that
means.
So
I
guess
I
just
hope
from
staff
that
we
have
more
information
about
that
moving
forward
and
I
think.
G
There's
no
there's
no
question.
There
are
council
member
culture,
there's
no
question
that
the
6.44
number
is
going
to
represent
cuts
so
yeah,
so
we're
we
have.
We
have
no.
If
we
pick
this
worst
case
scenario,
we
have
no,
none
of
our
scenarios
are
additives
and
all
of
them
are
subtracted
at
some
at
one
level
or
another.
So
it's
just.
I
A
Thank
you
councilmember,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note
here
that
I'm
I'm
confident
we're
gonna
have
continued
discussion
on
fees.
I
I
know
they're
they
are
still
on
the
table,
but
what
we're
trying
to
do
tonight
is
to
set
this
preliminary
levy
just
as
the
parameter
to
move
the
conversation
along
as
as
as
cochair
peterson
just
outlined
there.
This
is
the
first
step.
This
is
what
we
have
to
do.
A
First
before
we
can
have
those
further
discussions
down
the
line,
so
I
don't
think
the
we
we
haven't
heard
the
last
of
fees
and
and
the
possibilities
and
what
what
options
we
might
have
from
a
fee
standpoint.
G
Mr
mayor,
if
I
could
just
interject
there
on
that
on
that
question,
I
think
our
our
when
we
discussed
the
potential
kind
of
cost
recovery
from
the
sports
organizations
there.
We
had
some
discussion
about
that,
but
I
think,
if
it's
possible,
if
we
get
into
the
the
depths
of
the
budget
conversation
and
that
thing
comes
back,
it's
possible
that
that
will
end
up
being
back
in
the
mix.
So
I
want
to.
I
want
to
be
clear
that
you
know
folks
are
watching
right
now
that
they
shouldn't
go
away
thinking.
G
Oh
the
sports
groups
have
been
exempted
from
this.
Somehow
I
think
we
we
thought
it
was
undesirable
because
it
was
it
wouldn't
provide
them
with
a
lot
of
notice
because
they
typically
operate
on
an
annual
cycle.
But
I
wouldn't
say
that
we
categorically
ruled
it
out
and
said
we
would
never
consider
it
so.
E
You
very
much
mayor,
I
guess,
just
off
the
bat
I'll,
also
echo
council,
member
nelson,
and
appreciate
your
willingness
to
include
a
zero
percent
looking
there
just
both
to
serve
as
a
baseline
and
for
our
decision
making,
as
well
as
to
kind
of
help
educate
residents
on
what
a
huge
lift
or
hospitality
industry
provides
in
terms
of
our
overall
budget
and
I'm
guessing
once
we
get
to
the
end
of
this,
and
I
get
to
take
a
look
at
all
your
work
I'll
be
closer
to
that
into
the
spectrum.
E
So
you
can
see
so
this
might
also
get
to
what
councilmember,
nelson
or
councilmember
culture
was
asking
about.
So
if
we
don't
have
an
answer
tonight
that
it's
fine
but
say
we
were
to
select
a
final
levy
increase
of
four
percent
and
we
were
budgeting
for
a
worst
case
scenario
there,
but
the
the
clouds
part
and
the
sun
comes
down,
and
we
end
up
with
the
best
case
scenario.
So
we've
managed
to
close
our
gap
and
come
out
a
little
bit
ahead
once
we're
mid
year.
E
What
ability
do
we
have
to
course
correct
in
terms
of
programmatic
adjustments
or
realizing
the
austerity
budget
we
put
together
as
soon
as
case
isn't
reflecting
the
realities
we
have
at
that
point.
G
I
think
the
the
answer
to
that
is
going
to
depend
a
lot
on
the
set
of
choices
that
we
end
up
making.
So,
for
example,
if
if
the
choices
that
we
make
include
headcount
productions
and
typically
those
need
to
kind
of
be
implemented
for
the
whole
year
in
order
to
be
able
capture
the
financial
benefit
of
that.
G
Those
decisions
would
necessarily
be
made,
you
know
as
part
of
kind
of
implementing
the
council's
decisions
on
the
budget,
so
in
terms
of
the
sun
parting
and
things
being
better
in
the
summertime.
Practically
speaking,
I
think,
to
the
extent
that
there
are
things
like
that,
that
are
ongoing
services
will
probably
basically
have
made
a
decision
for
the
fiscal
year
that
we're
not
going
to
have
that
service,
and
then
the
money
would
flow
through
to
the
on
the
bottom
line
and
be
available
in
the
strategic
priorities
for
deployment
in
the
next
cycle.
G
Effectively
would
be
what
would
happen
with
that.
There
might
be
some
limited
sorts
of
things
where
there
were
certain
things
that
our
services
that
we
buy,
that
we
ordinarily
decided
we're
not
going
to
buy
it
in
the
fall
this
year.
G
A
good
example
might
be
might
be
seal
coating
because
sometimes
seal
coating
is
done
by
city
staff,
and
sometimes
it's
been
on
contract.
You
know,
in
my
experience,
it's
been
done
both
ways
that
might
be
the
sort
of
thing
where
you
might
get
into
march
or
april
and
decide.
Well,
things
are
looking
pretty
good,
we're
gonna.
We
decided
not
to
do
sealcoating
on
this
part
of
the
city.
We'll
go
do
that
because
that's
the
right
thing
to
do
and
we
now
we
think,
that's
the
but
the
with
the
additional
revenues
that
we
have.
G
That's
the
most
important
thing
on
the
list
to
do,
but
I
also
think
that
we
have
to
just
really
be
careful
and
make
sure
that
that
we
don't
get
too
optimistic
too
early
and
have
the
make
decisions
on
too
little
data
with
respect
to
that.
So
that
would
be
the
only
thing
I
would
caution.
People
is
that
this
data
is,
you
know
it's
it's
bumpy
enough
that
you
might
have
a
couple
good
months
and
then
say:
well,
okay,
now
there's
a
month,
that's
not
so
good
and
then
you're
back
in
trouble.
So.
J
Thank
you
mayor.
I
just
want
to
say
how
much
I
enjoyed
the
lodging
admission.
Tax
forecast
bullet
points
kind
of
getting
into
some
of
the
nitty
gritty
there
in
terms
of
how
that
forecast
is
supported.
J
I
particularly
would
be
interested
to
look
at
your
fifth
point
there,
with
each
month's
staff,
gets
real-time
data
I'll,
be
interested
to
see
how
it
that
moves
between
those
three
different
scenarios
as
that
moves
along
when
I
go
back
to
the
assumptions
page,
one
of
the
questions
that
occurred
to
me
is:
are
these
all
the
assumptions
that
we're
making
with
with
these
three
scenarios,
or
are
there
more
items
that
you
know
that
are
they're
just
not
listed
here
with
those
assumptions.
G
On
the
revenue
side,
councilmember,
loma
and
those
are
based,
those
are
the
complete
set
of
assumptions.
So
remember
we're
not
at
the
point
yet
where
we've
had
a
lot
of
decision
making
around
the
expense
side
of
things.
So
all
of
the
numbers
that
we're
talking
about
are
purely
around
kind
of
model
revenues
and
the
we
the
areas
where
we
think
we
have
the
most
variability
on
that
are
the
lodging
and
the
admissions
taxes.
We
think
all
of
the
other
revenue
sources
are
predictable
within,
probably
plus
or
plus,
or
minus.
G
Five
percent
would
be
my
guess
in
in
that
that's
reliable
enough
for
budgetary
purposes,
but
the
the
travel
related
revenues
are
the
ones
where
it's
just
very
difficult
to
predict.
What's
going
to
happen
with
that,.
J
Okay,
well,
that
takes
care
of
my
next
question,
because
I
was
wondering
what
the
risks
are
with
those
other
ones
that
weren't
necessarily
there
with
those
revenue
sources,
but
that's
good
to
know
that
we
think
it's
going
to
be
within
five
percent
of
that
of
the
forecast.
Variance
with
that.
Typically,
when
I've
seen
these
preliminary
budget
forecasts,
they
have
not
only
just
one
year.
I
know
you've
spoken
to
this
in
in
past
presentations,
but
I've
oftentimes
seen
staff
bring
back
both
the
number
for
2021,
but
then
also
for
2022.
J
So
if
you
make
a
move
in
this
next
year,
here's
would
be
the
the
impact
for
for
the
next
next
budgetary
year.
I
know
there's
there's
a
lot
of
moving
variances
and
lots
of
it
has
staff
put
together.
Anything
like
that.
You
know
to
give
us
a
two-year
view,
or
is
that
just
so
abstract
and
just
it
would
be
a
number
not
worth
even
looking
at.
G
Thank
you
cons,
member
lowman
on
the
on
the
ex.
Let
me
talk
about
the
expense
side
for
2022.
First,
I
think
the
what
happens
with
expenses
in
2022
is
largely
going
to
be
is
predicated
on
what
you
decide
to
select
for
21..
G
So
until
until
we
kind
of
go
through
the
process
over
the
next
six
or
eight
weeks
of
talking
about
the
different
scenarios,
the
staff
doesn't
really.
It
doesn't
really
have
enough
information
yet
to
be
able
to
kind
of
say,
okay,
here's
what
we
think
the
expense
side
of
that
is
going
to
be
on
the
revenue
side.
G
The
big
question
in
my
book
is
going
to
be
around
the
property
tax
situation
in
fiscal
22.
You
have
a
bunch
of
interesting
things
that
are
interacting,
and
I
I
know
the
manager
plans
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
this,
so
I
won't
kind
of
go
into
detail
on
kind
of
the
thinking
around
around
22.
G
But
if
you
look
at
the
chart,
that's
up
on
the
screen
right
now
and
you
look
in
this
lower
left
hand
corner
in
the
property
value
changes
box.
A
lot
of
where
the
property
tax
situation
is
going
to
show
up
in
2022
ends
up.
How
are
these
values
going
to
end
up
changing
in
that
time
frame,
then
the
other,
the
other
risk
that
you
have
on
the
property
tax
side
in
2022
is
going
to
be
around
challenges
to
property
assessments.
G
So
there's
a
one
of
the
subtleties
of
the
tax
system
in
minnesota
is
that
you
get
there's
your
property
as
an
assessed
value.
Then
you
can
go
and
challenge
that
and
you've.
Seen
during
your
tenure
on
the
council
that
you
know,
residents
often
come
to
the
board
of
review
and
they
disagree
on
the
value
of
their
house
and
they
there's
a
conversation
board
of
review
made
up
with
real
estate
real
estate
agents
in
bloomington,
and
they
make
a
decision
on
whether
the
city
did
the
right
thing
with
respect
to
people's
property
values.
G
There's
a
similar
process
for
commercial
property,
although
it
tends
to
be
a
little
bit
more
focused
on
the
court
system,
but
the
result
of
that
commercial
property
decision
making
process
is
oftentimes.
G
I
think
the
big
challenge
for
the
city
is
going
to
be
around
what
is
the
what
are
the
modeled
kind
of
worst
case
best
case
and
middle
scenarios
on
property
tax
collections
in
2022,
and
where
does
that?
Leave
the
city
from
a
revenue
perspective,
not
a
problem
for
21,
because
the
values
all
were
set
before
the
pandemic,
but
it's
the
2022
values
that
are
going
to
be
the
big
wild
card
in
that
picture
and
manager.
I
think,
has
something
that
he's
going
to
share
once
we're
talking
about
the
presentation
here.
J
Thank
you
and
I
think
that
what
you've
just
highlighted
is
one
of
my
main
concerns
when
you
kind
of
get
single-minded
and
as
a
council
just
looking
at
just
this
one
year,
I
want
to
not
lose
a
track
of
the
secondary
year
as
we
look
at
this
because
I
think
there's
some
impacts
there.
That
could
be
substantial
and
may
change
the
way.
We
want
to
look
at
this
this
year
to
what
councilman
coulter
brought
forward
before.
J
So
I
appreciate
that
that
analysis.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
lohmann,
mr
peterson,
you
talked
about
the
impact
on
homeowners.
Have
there
been
any
discussion
or
analysis
on
what
it
would
mean
for
renters
for
the
multi-family
units
here
in
the
city
of
bloomington.
G
D
G
Yeah,
it's
this
one
right
here,
so
we
did
talk
about
multi-family
properties
and
the
6.4
tax
levy
and
the
impact
on
that,
and
just
if
you
in
this
chart,
this
is
a
new
chart
for
folks
on
the
council.
The
first
row
there
median
value
home
is
just
repeating
information
that
we
already
saw
in
the
meeting
here.
G
What
the
three
rows
before
ours
they
picked,
the
staff
picked
representative
properties
in
the
city
and
they
looked
at
the
proportion
of
the
rent
that
is
paid
in
property
taxes
and
by
the
way,
this
is
prior
to
the
renter's
credit.
So
this
would
be
for
someone
who
has
an
income
where
they
don't
qualify
for
their
renter's
credit.
What
this
shows
you
is
in
the
blue
column,
in
the
middle,
where
it
says:
pay
21
at
6.44.
G
You
were
a
resident
of
applewood
point
in
a
you
would
pay
about.
It
would
be
about
a
a
8.78
increase
in
the
monthly
charge
or
about
100
a
year
increase.
If
you
were
in
the
new
indigo
building
over
in
the
south
loop
area,
that
would
be
a
76
dollar
increase
and
if
you
live
in
the
south
point
building
that
would
be
a
52
a
year
increase,
but
depending
on
the
value
of
the
building
and
the,
and
how
the
tax
system
spreads
the
cost
in
there.
G
That's
kind
of
the
range
of
of
costs
that
you
have
and
to
give
you
an
idea,
apple
would
point
that
would
be
a
2200
rent
that
would
have
a
change
in
a
hundred
dollars
in
taxes.
D
D
To
add
a
little
bit
of
additional
context
there
following
the
council's
lead
in
terms
of
wanting
to
look
at
things
through
the
lens
of
equity.
D
We
have
specifically
keyed
in
too
on
on
what
it
would
mean,
especially
for
people
who
are
in
living
in
affordable
housing
units,
and
that's
why
that
south
point
one
is,
is
helpful
to
see
that
the
monthly
impact
there
is
less
than
it
would
be
for
the
median
value
home,
because
we
know
that
obviously,
people
who
are
living
in
affordable
housing
units
often
are
in
a
higher
category
of
being
tax
burdened.
And
so
we
wanted
to
see
what
that
pass-through
on
taxes
for
monthly
rent
is
going
to
look
like.
K
K
G
Yeah,
so
that
then
thank
you,
councilmember
logo,
so
just
to
kind
of
restate
the
question:
we
have
a
couple
properties
in
the
city
that
represent
a
pretty
decent
size
percentage
of
the
tax
base
that
is
yeah
to
pay
their
taxes
for
fiscal
20,
and
the
question
is
whether
we
are
including
that
revenue
in
our
21
of
revenue
assumptions
and
the
answer
is
no.
We
are
not
we
don't.
We
don't
include
the
collection
of
that
in
21.
E
G
Operating
assumption
is
still
that
that
would
be
collected
sometime
in
20..
So
that's
the
that's
the
the
approach
that
we're
taking
right
there,
because
that's
not
a
it,
wasn't
considered
to
be
a
predictable
revenue
for
21..
K
D
D
Mr
mayor
and
council
members,
it
is
a
little
bit
less
than
that.
I
think
it's
in
the
neighborhood
of
about
5.4
5.6
million
dollars.
We
can
follow
up
and
get
the
specific.
K
G
K
K
G
D
D
I
want
to
say
about
point
four
percent
up
as
high
as
five
and
a
half
percent
of
the
total
department
request
for
2021.
D
It
obviously
varies
by
department,
but
the
total
amount
of
departmental
reductions
requested
was
around
3.7
million
dollars,
so
not
quite
all
the
way
to
a
zero
percent
scenario
using
the
worst
case
assumption,
but
within
range
of
it,
and
certainly
other
options
available
beyond
that.
K
And
I
presume
that
jamie
that
the
no
cost
of
living
increases
is
part
of
that
3.7
million.
D
So
the
the
personnel
costs
include
the
assumptions
that
include
a
no
cost
of
living
increase
for
non-represented
employees
and
those
represented
employees
that
did
not
have
settled
contracts.
D
We
do
have
three
of
our
unions
that
have
two
of
our
unions
have
a
settled.
Contract
for
2021
are
police
federation
and
police
supervisors,
but
so
we
are
contractually
obligated
to
those
at
this
time.
K
I'll,
let
pass
the
baton
on
for
now.
There's
one
other
question:
I
just
can't
bring
it
to
mind
at
this
second,
so.
B
Thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you,
mr
peterson,
for
all
that
you're
doing
and
the
work
of
your
committee.
So
I
am
curious
to
know
what
you
have
been
hearing
so
far
in
some
of
the
community
listening
sessions
that
you
guys
have
been
holding.
I
know
that
you've
had
at
least
one
I'm
not
sure
how
many
others,
and
so
I'm
curious
to
know
you
know
key
takeaways
for
you
or
from
others
involved
in
those
sessions,
and
then
I
also
I
mean
I
assume
that
something
that
you're
hearing
is.
B
You
know
that
people
don't
want
to
see
property
tax
increases,
and
I
guess
a
worry
that
I
have
and
it's
related
to
council.
Member
coulter's
point
is
that
you
know,
of
course
we
we
want
to
keep
that
at
zero
percent
or
we
want
to
keep
it
as
low
as
possible.
But
I'm
I'm.
I
wonder
if
once
people
understand
the
significant
impacts
to
the
services,
the
amenities
that
we
have
here
in
the
city,
that
they
would
maybe
feel
a
little
bit
differently,
and
so
I
guess
my
second.
B
The
second
part
of
my
question
is
whether
or
not-
and
this
may
have
been
presented-
and
I
can't
recall
there
will
be
additional
listening
sessions
once
we
have
kind
of
a
clear
picture
of
what
those
different
scenarios
could
look
like
and
the
impacts
that
it
would
have
on
some
of
our
programs
and
our
services
here
in
the
city.
G
G
It
largely
because
of
the
the
point
that
we're
in
the
process,
where
we're
starting
to
be
more
specific
about
kind
of
the
tax
and
revenue
implications
of
that,
and
we
haven't
been
very
specific
at
all
about
the
expense
ones
except
for
talking
about
things
like
not
saving,
quite
as
much
money
and
cost
of
living
increases
and
stuff
like
that
which,
for
for
many
residents
in
the
city,
there's
really
no
personal
impact
of
those
particular
those
particular
decisions.
G
So
far,
we
did
hear
quite
a
bit
of
questions
about
taxes
and
wanting
to
make
sure
that
taxes
were
under
control.
The
meetings
that
we're
having
in
september
are
intended
to
develop
the
budget
scenarios,
both
from
a
revenue
scenario
and
an
expense
scenario,
and
our
goal
is
at
these
two
meetings.
G
In
october,
the
october
15th
and
october
17th
meetings
that
at
those
meetings
we
effectively
have
concrete
kind
of
tax
and
spending
budget
scenarios
that
people
can
react
to
so
they'll
have
a
concrete
thing
that
we're
going
to
spend
less
money
on
this
and
the
result
is
the
taxes
are
going
to
be
at
this
level
and
that
that
those
two
meetings
for
general
public
input
are
going
to
be
the
places
where
people
can
come
and
give
the
committee
feedback
on
that
particular
question.
G
There's
two
sessions
that
that
we
get
to
hear
feedback
on
the
results
of
the
decisions
that
we
end
up
making
on
a
preliminary
basis
and
then
we'll
take
that
feedback.
We've
got
a
couple
meetings
and
then
we
end
up
showing
up
at
the
city
council
in
early
november
with
the
final
set
of
recommendations.
G
B
D
H
Thank
you
mayor.
I
just
had
a
quick
follow-up
for
chair
peterson
regarding
the
engagement
just
so
you
know
I
understand,
and
maybe
people
in
the
community
that
the
things
that
you
had
listed
were
related
to
the
general
public
being
able
to
have
an
input
but
you're
also
talking
specifically
with
various
groups,
including
the
business
community
through
the
chamber,
and
other
groups
like
that
is.
Is
that
accurate
and
can
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
process?.
G
Yeah,
so
we
have
a,
we
have
a
set
of
targeted
conversations
both
what
I
call
kind
of
major
constituencies
in
the
city
and
groups
that
otherwise
might
not
be
paying
attention
to
the
process
that
we're
kind
of
reaching
out
to
to
make
sure
that
their
voices
are
included.
G
G
We
have
kind
of
a
combination
strategy
where
we
pick
particular
groups
that
we
feel
are
uppers
unrepresented,
and
we
also
have
general
sessions
like
this,
where
we'll
be
doing
a
lot
of
work,
to
try
to
drive
people
to
these
general
sessions
as
well
to
have
their
feedback.
So
really,
there's
there's
an
opportunity
for
anybody
in
the
city
to
participate
in
this
process.
The
we
don't
wait,
the
we
don't
wait
the
feedback
from
any
particular
group
any
higher
than
any
other
group.
K
Thank
you,
and
this
is
one
that
I've
been
asked
quite
a
few
times
and
have
not
had
the
information
to
be
able
to
respond
to
it.
It
may
be
one
that's
more
appropriately
addressed
to
the
city
manager
rather
than
to
the
budget
chair,
but
it's
with
respect
to
the
assumptions
that
were
pertaining
to
the
reopening
in
2021
of
creekside
and
highland
greens.
D
That
question
I'll
go
ahead.
Mr
marin,
council
members,
thank
you.
Councilmember
beloga,
the
the
budget
for
2021
assumes
those
facilities
are
operating.
Since
that
decision
wasn't
made.
We
have
only
for
2020
realize
the
savings
of
not
having
them
open
for
the
purposes
of
budgeting.
They
are
still
that's
still
an
open
question
and
the
operating
funds
are
included
currently.
A
An
increase
of
6.44
in
the
in
the
levy
that,
as
we
have
talked
about,
is
the
preliminary
levy,
which
means
that's
the
high
end.
It
can't
go
any
higher
and
it
can
go
lower
and,
as
mr
peterson
showed
us,
it
routinely
does
go
lower
over
the
course
of
the
years.
It
has
every
year
pretty
much
gone
lower
unless
it
has
started
at
zero
and
remained
at
zero
from
preliminary
to
final
levy.
A
This
is
a
a
proposal
put
forward
to
help
now
shape
the
rest
of
the
discussion,
which
will
be
both
from
revenue
options
and
operational
budget
options,
and
ultimately,
we
have
to
adopt
the
preliminary
levy
at
our
september.
14Th
september
meet
september
14th
council
meeting,
and
that
will
be
the
next
step
in
this,
but
for
for
our
purposes
tonight
without
the
official
okay,
I
think
I'd
be
look
for
looking
for
nodding,
heads
or
or
consent
or
or
just
general
agreement,
that
this
is
where
we
want
the
budget
advisory
committee
to
continue
their
work.
A
With
this
number
in
mind
and
ultimately,
as
I
said,
we
will
consider
the
preliminary
budget
levy
at
our
september
14th
meeting
so
council
thoughts
on
moving
forward
from
where
we
are
right.
A
A
And
with
without
seeing
any
hands
up,
I
my
my
initial
reaction
is
to
move
forward
with
this
as
our
preliminary
budget
levy,
knowing
that
the
the
the
committee
is
going
to
come
back
with
options
of
five
three
and
one
or
five
three
and
zero
percent
increase,
but
to
set
this
as
the
starting
point
and
to
begin
work
from
this
point
forward.
I
think
this
makes
sense.
K
I
I
look
at
the
10
or
12
year,
history
of
the
preliminary
levees
versus
the
actual
levees
and
it's
less
than
one
percent
on
average
change,
and
I
think
we
could
be
singling,
then
that
we're
headed
for
a
roughly
five
percent
change
increase
into
the
levy,
and
I
think
that
would
not
be
acceptable
to
me.
K
I
understand
the
difficulties
that
what
we're
doing
is
is
going
to
be
looking
at
aggressive
cost
cutting
measures,
and
I
think
that
is
warranted.
Under
these
times.
K
I
don't
know
where
they
would
impact
the
city
and
its
residents
in
providing
services,
but
I
think
to
go
on
and
excuse
the
expression,
because
it's
certainly
not
that,
but
business
as
usual
is
what
it
appears
would
be,
showing
some
level
of
tone
deafness
to
the
high
unemployment
that
exists
within
our
city
and
those
people
who
are
uncertain,
what
the
future
holds
with
respect
to
employment,
re-employment
and
what
their
unemployment
situation
will
look
like,
since
the
additional
unemployment
funds
are
scheduled
to
expire
before
the
end
of
the
year.
K
Asking
for
explanations
from
the
council
during
the
public
comment
period
of
the
tax
increases
that
they
had
and
expressing
their
inability
to
absorb
those
kinds
of
increases.
So
I'm
I'm
very
attuned
to
that.
I
don't
like
the
prospect
of
having
to
reduce
services
but
as
the
term
goals-
and
maybe
it's
overused,
but
these
are
unprecedented
times.
K
We
were
able
to
reduce
services
during
2011
2012
2013
and
keep
the
levy
at
zero
or
around
that.
So
I
think
it's
more
than
just
a
revenue
kind
of
issue.
We
we
have
to
look
at
expenses
and
I
know
that
that's
the
future
part
the
next
step
for
the
budget
committee,
but.
K
It
is
difficult
times
and
I
I
think
that
a
four
percent
is
the
preliminary
number
that
I
find
that's
on
my
high
ceiling
to
be
looking
at
at
this
time,
and
with
that
I'll
give
the
floor
to
others.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
logan.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
I
have
no
intention
of
passing
a
6.44
levy
increase.
My
intention
was
to
to
move
this
process
forward
and
give
our
budget
committee
the
the
tools
they
need
to
work
moving
forward.
So
appreciate
your
comments,
councilmember.
I
I
absolutely
do
and
definitely
remember
the
folks
who
were
here
last
december
and
january
and
heard
their
stories
and
much
of
it
much
of
it
had
to
do
with
valuation
increases
in
their
homes
and
we're
going
to
be
seeing
that
in
2022
as
well.
I
Well,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
you
know
I
I
guess
to
sort
of
to
to
start
off,
I'm
going
to
sort
of
reiterate
what
I
said
earlier,
which
is
that
you
know
I
I
would
say
I
could
be
comfortable
with
a
6.44
preliminary
levy,
knowing
where
that
you
know
where
that
654
grand
comes
from
what
that
means
in
terms
of
reduction
of
services
or
reduction
of
people
or
both
right,
and
I
think
that
you
know
I
bring
up
that
framing
a
lot
because
you
know,
as
I've
said,
we
can't
divorce
what
we
pay
from
what
we
pay
for,
and
you
know
when
we,
when
we
have
these
conversations,
I
I
get
very
wary
of
picking
arbitrary
numbers
and
you
know
knowing
you
know
like
I
agree
I
I
this
is
this.
I
I
I
Last
year
it
was
a
1.25
year
before
it
was
1.75,
but
then
there
are
also
years
where
there
are
much
smaller
differences
as
well,
and
so
I
think
when
we,
when
we
look
at
averages
that
way
it
can
be,
it
can
be
just
a
little
bit
deceiving
because
there
were
also
some
years
where
the
preliminary
was
not
different
from
the
final
levy,
and
so
I
you
know
these
are
indeed
unprecedented
times,
and
so
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
wrong
with
with
having
significant
differences
between
our
preliminary
and
our
final
levy.
I
But
we
need
to
be
able
to
justify
that
to
the
community
we,
you
know
we
need
to
be
able
to
as
confidently
and
and
clearly
as
we
can
say
what
that
specifically
means-
and
you
know
these
we're
only
talking
about
cuts.
I
don't
think
anybody
realistically,
like
like
chair
peterson,
said:
I
don't
think
anybody
realistically
is
thinking
an
additive
budget
is,
is
something
that's
going
to
happen
this
year.
So
what
are
we
talking
about
when,
when
we
make
these
cuts?
We
are?
I
So
you
know,
like
I
said
I
I
you
know,
I
trusted
staff
will
be
able
to
get
me
the
information
about
that
that
difference.
So
I
I
think
I
could
probably
get
to
6.44.
I
Knowing
that
you
know
my
this,
the
ceiling
of
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
is
certainly
much
lower
as
well,
but
I
I
just
don't
want.
I
don't
want
us
to
divorce
those
two
numbers,
because
then
I
think
we
get
into
abstract
discussions
that
really
don't
further.
Our
values-
and
you
know,
like
I
said
before,
budgets-
are
the
purest
expressions
of
our
values
and
I
I
think
that's
that's
the
conversation
we
need
to
be
having
with
the
community
moving
forward.
H
Thank
you
mayor.
Sorry,
I
have
a
barking
dog
in
the
background
I
I
am
less
concerned
about
the
preliminary
levy
and
the
amount
of
that
than
just
kind
of
the
the
basis
of
which
we
approach
it
and
from
what
I
heard
from
chair
peterson.
Looking
at
that
zero
percent,
in
my
mind,
makes
sense.
H
I
think
that's
something
that
mayor
you
had
brought
up
early
on
and
that's
really,
you
know,
instead
of
working
down
from
a
number
I'd
like
to
see
what
that
looks
like
and
maybe
work
around
that
number
as
much
as
possible.
H
I
am
very
concerned
about
the
impact
this
is
going
to
have
on
the
people
that
are
at
least
capable
of
affording
it.
We
know
the
value
of
rental
of
apartments
is
going
up
and
you
know
we
had
some
information
about
how
that'll
impact
them.
You
know
we
have
residents
that
are
hurting
that
are
unemployed
that
are
taking
wage
cuts.
H
We
have
businesses
that
have
been
closed
for
months
and
when
we
look
at
commercial
property
valuations,
you
know
they're
they're,
either
a
tenant
or
an
owner
of
a
building.
That's
going
to
have
to
pay
property
taxes
and
that'll
impact
them
as
well,
and
I
definitely
appreciate
what
councilmember
coulter
says
about
this
being.
H
You
know
our
spending
and
expression
of
our
values,
but
I
I
also
feel
that
you
know
there
is
our
cost
savings
helps
those
people
in
our
community
that
that
most
need
it,
and
if
the
more
we
can
do
of
that,
the
better
off
I
think
we'll
be,
and
so
you
know
is
it
6.44.
H
Maybe
is
it
five?
You
know
that
seems
to
be
the
highest
level
of
the
options
that
the
committee
is
looking
at,
the
the
one
three
and
five
you
know,
maybe
you
set
it
at
five,
but
again,
I
just
want
to
appreciate
the
work
of
the
committee
to
really
dive
into
these,
to
figure
out
how
we
can,
without
necessarily
taking
all
of
it
as
a
cut
to
services
really
be.
E
Thank
you
very
much
mayor.
I
I
guess
I
probably
I
agree.
We
we
don't
have
the
information
yet
to
tell
the
community
exactly
what
it's
included
in
the
basket
of
programs:
services
facilities
between
three
percent,
five
percent.
Six
point:
four
four,
but
despite
that,
I
at
least
I'm
confident
right
now
that
bullying,
taxpayers
property
taxpayers
are
the
least
stable
they've
been
in
my
lifetime
for
sure
perhaps
longer
to
support
the
high
end
of
that
scale,
regardless
of
what
gets
included
in
those
final
packages.
E
So
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
to
set
it
at
something
like
five
percent
continue
the
revenue
forecasting,
since
that
was
already
one
notch,
that
we
were
going
to
be
looking
at
regardless
and
then
have
that
preliminary
number
be
the
top
end
of
our
options
scale.
I
agree
with
council
member
nelson's
point
that
the
preliminary
really
isn't
the
hardest
not
to
crack.
Here,
it's
going
to
be.
How
are
we
drafting
things
to
continue
providing
value
to
residents,
but
I
I'm
not
necessarily
afraid
of
setting
an
arbitrary
number.
E
I
know
when
folks
across
the
community
are
going
shopping.
They
can
be
headed
to
the
grocery
store
and
see
all
kinds
of
terrific
products
that
are
very
valuable
value
of
their
lives,
that
their
kids
or
families
would
love
but
they're,
showing
up
with
a
budget
they're
showing
up
with
an
arbitrary
number
and
then
making
value
judgment
on
what's
going
to
be
in
their
their
checkout
basket.
So
I
look
forward
to
working
with
everybody
on
figuring
out
how
to
continue
providing
that
value
or
mixed
in
the
basket.
J
Thank
you
mayor,
I
think,
given
the
information,
I
have
it's
difficult
to
to
make
a
a
decision
that
I
don't
know
that
we
have
do.
We
have
another
study
meeting
between
now
and
september.
The
14th.
A
J
So
I
think
the
reality
is,
if
that's
the
day,
we
need
to
make
a
decision.
I
think
this
is
the
number.
I
think
we
certainly
could
talk
about
it.
You
know
one
of
the
things.
I
appreciate
that
the
budget
committee
brought
forward
is
that
they
did
not
make
their
decision
based
on
those
values
going
up
and
down.
They
started
off
their
at
least.
The
way
I
remember
co-chair
peterson
saying
is
that
he
based
it
on
the
they
based
it
on
the
monthly
impact
statement
that
I
I
really
liked.
J
The
city
manager
kind
of
talks
about
that,
because
a
4.5
for
one
year
may
not
be
you
know
or
4.75
may
be
different
in
different
years
in
terms
of
the
impact
on
that
median
impact
home,
and
so
I
think
for
me,
I
think,
when
I
think
about
values,
I
think
councilmember
coulter
you've
brought
that
up
and
I
think
you're
right
about
that.
We've
got
to
look
at
those
values
that
we're
looking
at
here
and
I
think
we've
got
to
try
to
strike
a
balance.
I've
always
talked
about
that.
J
I
think
we're
in
lean
times
now,
and
my
real
concern
is
the
impact
that
comes
in
2022,
especially
you
know.
We
can't
lose
sight
of.
I
mean
the
the
co-chair
mentioned
it
many
times
that
impact
for
residential
folks
in
that
that
pay
year
and
how
that's
gonna
swing,
and
I
I
think
we're
gonna
see
some
folks
that
are
really
gonna
be
upset
when
they
see
that
impact
on
their
taxes
when
they
come
in
in
22..
J
So
I
think
we've
got
to
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind.
With
that
in
mind,
I'm
you
know,
given
that
we
got
to
make
a
decision,
I'm
going
to
come
in
higher
here.
I
need
to
have
more
information
about
that
that
secondary
year,
that's
out
there
so
that
we
can
try
to
mitigate
that
experience.
J
For
folks
when
we
get
into
that
you
know,
my
high
cap
is
much
lower
than
this.
I
just
I
cannot
see
how
we
can
pass
a
a
final
budget
as
councilmember
beloga
mentioned.
They
know
we've
typically
come
in
and
we
only
go
one
percent
below
that,
but
I
just
do
not
know
how
we
could
possibly
pass
a
budget
over
4.75
in
terms
of
what
we've
done
in
the
past
in
lean
times.
J
I
just
you
know,
even
though
we
have
our
values
and
so
I'll
certainly
keep
an
open
mind
in
terms
of
what
comes
up
in
between
that
amount
as
we
go
through
this
process.
But
it's
going
to
be
very
difficult
for
me
during
lean
time
to
go
anywhere
over
4.75.
J
That's
where
I
think
the
preliminary
budget
probably
should
be,
because
I
think
that's
where
we
really
need
to
look
and
go
lower
than
that,
but
I'll
I'll
go
ahead
and
support
this
number
here.
I
support
this
process.
I'd
like
to
see
what's
gonna
happen
at
the
end,
but
I
wanna.
Let
folks
know
now
that
I'd
like
to
see
this
at
a
much
lower
number,
probably
closer
to.
A
Zero,
so
we
are,
if
I'm
counting
noses
we're
about
split
right
down
the
middle
with
folks
who
are
where
we
could
start
on
this
one,
the
the
6.44
and
folks
who
would
like
it
closer
to
five,
and
I
wonder
if
it
makes
sense
to
if
we
split
it
somewhere
in
the
middle
just
so.
We
can
set
this
as
a
preliminary
level
and
get
the
work
continued
at
a
5.3
of
5.25.
Something
like
that,
as
as
our
as
our
starting
point
for
the
committee
to
continue
their
work.
I
Thank
you
mayor
well
to
again
sort
of
repeat
myself
here.
I
I'd
certainly
be
willing
to
go
lower
than
6.44
for
a
preliminary
levy,
but
we,
you
know
again,
we
just
we
need
to
know
what
that
means.
You
know,
I
I
think
I
you
know.
I
want
to
support
a
low
number
too,
but
I
I
can't
tell
the
community
what
that
means
in
terms
of
the
services
and
the
the
programs
that
we
offer
as
a
city.
I
A
A
So,
mr
verbruge,
between
now
on
the
14th,
I
think
we'd
be
stepping
outside
of
our
process
that
we've
got
set
up
for
our
community
budget
advisory
committee.
But
between
now
and
the
14th
is
there
is
there
information
that
could
be
compiled
to
give
a
a
general
direction
of
what
these
numbers
would
mean?.
D
I
don't
think
it's
too
difficult
to
go
to
a
zero
percent
option
if
the,
if
the
council
and
the
committee
are
interested
in
doing
that,
I
think
the
real
trick
here-
and
it's
probably
one
that's
going
to
be
tougher
for
us
to
figure
out
until
later
in
the
process
is
which
of
the
scenarios
we're
using.
If
it's
going
to
be
the
worst
case
scenario,
or
if
it's
going
to
be
the
modest
case.
D
I
you
know
to
a
question
that
council
member
lohman
asked
a
little
while
ago
about
the
the
workings
of
the
staff
forecasting
team
and
the
the
data
analysis
that's
going
on.
I
I
would
tell
you
that,
for
most
of
the
last
several
months,
staff
was
pretty
confident
in
the
modded
moderate
case
scenario,
that
we
were
tracking
pretty
consistently
with
industry
trends
and
to
the
point
that
co-chair
peterson
made
the
the
most
volatile
and
unknowable
right
now
is
the
lodging
admissions
tax
inputs
and
we
were.
We
were
tracking,
nationally
and
locally,
where
the
trends
were
going.
D
Those
changed
pretty
significantly
in
the
last
couple
weeks
and
I
think
that
we
have
a
little
bit
dimmer
view
at
the
staff
level.
But
you
know
information
has
been
changing
by
the
month
and
sometimes
by
the
week.
So
I
think
we're
a
couple
months
out
from
knowing
which
scenario
we're
going
to
be
comfortable
with,
with
the
with
the
budget
advisory
committee.
D
Back
to
the
original
intent
of
your
question.
It
isn't
real
possible
to
council
member
coulter
and
council
member
loma
and
some
others
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
those
cuts
are
going
to
be,
because
really
that's
going
to
be
the
work
of
the
committee
to
to
look
at
those
options
and
the
sort
of
the
platter
of
many
options
that
you
have
and
make
those
recommendations
to.
The
council.
A
And
frankly,
if
we
were
using
the
the
budget
advisory
committee
or
the
or
we
were
doing
this
as
a
council
based
decision-making
process
on
the
last
day
of
august
as
we're
setting
the
proposed
or
the
the
preliminary
levy,
I
don't
think
that
that
information
wouldn't
be
here
regardless,
even
in
even
in
normal
times
that
information
wouldn't
be
in
front
of
us
now,
because
there
there
are
so
many
unknowns
between
now
and
november,
and
so
much
so
much
more
information
that
we
have
to
put
together.
Between
now
and
november
council
member.
J
No
mayor,
I
I
I
might
suggest
either
taking
your
route
of
split
indifference
or
with
the
absence
of
information
that
we
have,
and
we
have
in
a
sense
bestowed
this
process
upon
that
budgetary
committee.
Maybe
it
makes
sense
to
just
start
off
with
that
6.44
and
work
our
way
down.
I
mean
I
I
just
I
don't
we're
not
going
to
have
that
information.
So
here's
a
number
and
let's,
let's
work
with
that
number
and
work
our
way
down.
D
Mr
mayor
and
council
members,
if
I
may
thank
you
council,
member
lohman,
why
don't
I
suggest
this
as
an
option?
Is
that
staff
will
prepare
two
resolutions?
Council
members
can
take
a
couple
weeks
to
process
what
you've
heard
here
tonight
to
think
about
the
conversation
and
then
on
the
14th.
We'll
just
have
we'll
have
two
options
for
you
to
choose
and
we'll
see
where
we
can
get
a
majority.
A
That
seems
practical
others,
thoughts
on
that,
I'm
seeing
councilmember
carter
with
the
thumbs
up
and
council
member
lowman
house,
member
coulter.
Why
don't
we
plan
on
that?
Let's,
if
you
can
come
back
with
the
should
we
say
the
6.44
and
then
down
to
the
five
or
something
less
than
five?
Let's
stay
with
the
five:
let's
go
with
the
six
point,
four
four
and
the
five
two
resolutions
forward,
and
we
can.
We
can
have
that
discussion
on
the
14th
and
see
where
we
end
up
anything
else
to
add
council.
A
Co-Chair
peterson
be
sure
to
extend
our
heartfelt
thanks
to
the
members
of
your
committee,
the
great
work
that
they're
putting
forward
doing
this.
I
know
it's
it's
a
lot
of
work
and
it's
a
lot
of
hours
and
it's
a
lot
of
tough
decision
making
and
and
as
a
is
a
volunteer
committee.
It's
greatly
appreciated.
A
You
folks
are
doing
great
work
and
really
appreciate
the
thoughtfulness
that
you're
putting
into
it
and
the
looking
at
the
different
options
and
looking
at
the
the
the
totality
of
it
all,
which
I
think
is
the
biggest
question
and
the
biggest
the
biggest
issue
that
we
have
to
deal
with
here
and
it's
and
it's
not
going
to
get
any
easier.
But
thank
you
so
very
much
for
doing
it
really
do
appreciate
it.
A
D
Babrugi,
thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
council
members
for
a
study
session.
This
is
a
rather
unique
item
and
they're
actually
asking
for
an
action
by
the
council.
D
D
Sports
grants
requires
a
resolution
of
support
from
the
from
the
local
host
and
when,
when
hennepin
county
passed
this
at
the
time,
they
didn't
have
that
expression
of
support
to
the
so
as
they've
tried
to
get
the
paperwork
taken
care
of
they,
they
don't
have
that
host
agreement
in
place,
and
so
we
agreed
to
bring
this
to
the
council
and
just
have
you
pass
a
resolution
supporting
this
process.
It
is
a
straight
pass-through
of
funds
from
hennepin
county
to
success.
Academy.
D
Success
academy
is
in
the
process
right
now
of,
I
believe,
completing
the
construction
on
their
playground,
equipment,
which
is
a
little
bit
of
the
urgency
here.
We'll
essentially
administer
the
grant.
So
we'll
have
an
agreement
with
hennepin
county,
and
then
we
have
an
agreement
with
with
success
academy
as
a
sub
they'll
have
a
sub
recipient
to
grant
agreement
that
they
would
have
to
produce
information
for
us
in
order
to
facilitate
that
pass
through.
D
K
Yes,
I
have
one
and
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
mr
manager.
I
recall
that
there's
a
state
law
prohibiting
the
gifting
of
money
to
a
business.
K
D
Mr
mayor
and
council
members,
council,
member
beloga
success
academy
is
a
charter
school,
and
so
I
believe
that
they
fit
into
that
category
of
eligibility
based
on
other
schools
applicability
and
that
that
legality
is
a
question
that
would
have
had
to
be
satisfied
to
hennepin
county's
determination,
because,
ultimately,
it's
hennepin
county
money,
that's
being
directed
to
success
academy.
K
A
A
A
So
if
additional
questions
councilmember
baloga.
H
D
Mr
baruch
success
academy
is
a
tenant
at
8201
park
avenue,
so
they
have
to
work
that
out
with
the
with
the
owner
of
the
property.
But
yes,.
H
D
Mr
mayor
and
council
members,
council
member
nelson,
no
change
to
our
joint
use
agreement
is
required.
They
were
just
working
with
our
planning
department
to
make
sure
that
they
had
some
setback
issues
and
any
other
permissions
for
the
actual
siting
of
the
playground
worked
out.
H
K
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
so
I
move
the
resolution
of
support
for
the
hennepin
county
youth
sports
grant
for
playground
equipment.
Second,.
A
A
Motion
carries
7-0,
so
congratulations,
success,
academy
and
thanks
to
hennepin
county,
the
board
of
commissioners,
and
especially
our
commissioner
commissioner
debbie
gatel
for
her
work
on
this.
I
know
she
did
put
in
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
on
this
and
to
the
rest
of
the
board
of
commissioners
and
the
youth
sports
program
for
the
the
funding
available
to
do
this,
and
I
know
it
will
be
greatly
appreciated
by
friends
at
success
academy
on
our
next
item,
which
is
our
city
council
policy
and
issue
update
mr
verbruge.
D
Mr
mayor
and
council
member,
I
don't
have
any
issue
or
policy
specifically.
I
did
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
had
overnight
what
I
think
was
probably
a
scary
event
in
the
neighborhood
of
the
84th
and
15th,
with
a
standoff
situation,
a
very
unfortunate
homicide
of
one
individual
and
two
others
who
were
injured,
and
so
I
the
primary
reason.
I
want
to
mention
this
one.
D
If
the
residents
weren't
aware
that
the
suspect
in
that
situation
was
arrested
after
the
standoff,
there's
no
continuing
danger
to
the
community,
but
second
is
really
to
acknowledge
our
our
public
safety
team,
our
police
officers
and
we
had
fire
department
staff
also
out
there
working
the
scene.
For
you
know
multiple
hours
and
before
it
concluded,
then
the
rain
started
to
move
in.
It
was
a
very.
D
It
was
a
challenging
emotional,
difficult
scene,
and
it
makes
me
appreciate
again
the
work
that
our
police
and
fire
department
do
to
protect
our
residents
in
in
multiple
different
ways,
and
you
know
that's.
That
was
a
situation
where
it
looked
like
that
person
wasn't
going
to
come
out
and
and
they
were
able
to
facilitate
a
successful
surrender.
So
that
speaks
to
the
professionalism
of
our
department.
A
As
you
all
know,
the
minnesota
state
law
permits
cities
and
other
public
bodies
to
go
into
closed
session
for
a
variety
of
different
reasons,
not
a
lot
of
them,
but
a
variety
of
them,
including
negotiations
on
contracts
or
in
this
case,
to
consider
litigation,
and
we
will
be
going
into
closed
session
here
to
discuss
just
that
and
ms
manderscheid
are
you
on
the
line
with
us
here,
standing
by
from
his
mandershide.
B
I'll
just
note
on
the
resolution
there's
a
resolution
in
the
packet
to
close
the
meeting
that
covers
the
statutory
requirements
for
going
into
closed
session
as
well
as
gives
guidance
to
anyone
that
may
be
listening
as
to
what
will
happen
at
the
end
of
that
closed
session.
That's
in
paragraph
four
and
the
council
meeting
will
be
reopened
in
order
to
formally
adjourn
the
meeting
after
the
conclusion
of
the
poll
session.
A
I
A
Good
question:
councilmember
coulter:
here's
how
we're
going
to
do
it
as
we
go
into
closed
session
here.
We
all
of
us
will
close
this
version
of
this
webex
meeting
and
log
into
another
private
webex
meeting.
We
will
conduct
our
business
our
closed
session
business.
This
meeting
will
officially
stay
open
or
open
in
terms
of,
I
think
ms
wilson
is
actually
going
to
stay
on
the
line
so
basically
to
leave
this
meeting
open.
A
As
we
finish
up
our
closed
session
business,
we
have
to
come
back
virtually
to
this
meeting,
so
we
can
have
enough
folks
here
to
to
take
an
adjournment,
vote
and
close.
It
here.
Does
that
make
sense.
A
Council
we
need
a
motion
to
close
this
public
or
we
need
a
motion
to
direct
the
closure
of
a
public
meeting
of
the
city
council.
A
A
Aye
motion
carries
7-0
with
that.
We
will
go
into
closed
session
so
folks,
if
you
would
close
this
window
this,
this
meeting
that
we're
in
now-
and
I
know
that
chris
sent
you
a
second
meeting-
invite
to
the
to
the
private
session,
and
we
will
see
you.
A
A
K
B
B
B
A
7-0
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
time
this
evening,
thanks
to
the
staff
for
your
work
tonight.
Thank
you
very
much
everybody.
Next
week,
it's
our
first
week,
first
monday,
off
in
nine
weeks,
enjoy
your
labor
day
weekend
thanks
much
everybody,
let's
see
on
the
14th,
if
not
sooner.
Thank
you
very
much.