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Description
Bloomington Community Budget Advisory Committee Meeting
A
A
A
A
B
B
C
D
B
E
Yes,
good
evening
committee
members
co-chairs
and
committee
members
so
similar
to
last
week,
rather
than
having
a
presentation
with
slides
with
the
information
and
updates,
we
put
it
in
the
form
of
a
memo
with
information
and
just
to
give
you
the
maximum
amount
of
time
for
budget
production
discussion
this
evening.
So
unless
there
are
any
questions
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
item.
But
are
there
any
questions
regarding
what
was
in
the
memo?
Yeah.
B
B
B
B
B
B
Okay,
so
tonight
again
we're
going
to
be
having
some
conversations
about
some
targeted
items
in
the
list
and
then
we'll
be
walking
back
through
again
and
having
another
round
of
that
exercise
on
the
items
in
the
list.
We
have
a
couple
new
items
that
we'll
be
having
conversations
about
and
asking
questions
about
tube
a
couple
things
I
want
to
point
out
and
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
tonight
when
once
we're
done
with
the
dot
exercise,
I'll
be
working
with
the
staff
to
get
these
columns
populated
in
the
spreadsheet.
B
B
Let
me
see
if
I
can
scoot
this
out
of
the
way
you'll
note
over
here
on
the
jnk
columns.
This
column
shows
the
kind
of
cumulative
value
of
all
of
the
items
that
are
kind
of
at
that
row
and,
above
so
a
good
example
is
let's
say
that
the
this
order
here,
which,
right
now
it's
just
in
the
numeric
order?
Let's
say
that
this
was
represented
kind
of
the
order
we
had
set
things
in
at
this
line
here.
F
B
And
then
the
other
thing
I've
done
is
I've
gone
through
based
on
the
the
dollar
scenarios
we've
talked
about
and
this
column
k
here.
This
shows
you
kind
of
where
the
break
points
are
between
the
scenarios.
So
in
the
order
that
we
have
things
in
right
now,
we
would
go
down
to
item
number
16
in
order
to
get
to
the
five
percent
levy
scenario.
B
B
B
That's
where
it
switches
from
items
that
would
have
to
be
picked
in
order
to
kind
of
meet
our
budget
goals
and
ones
that
would
be
left
in
the
budget
for
next
year.
Okay.
So
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
resort
this
list
once
we've
got
the
results
of
the
dot
exercise
in
there
based
on
the
weights,
and
then
the
thing
that
we
discussed
last
time
is
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
discuss
every
single
item.
So
the
approach
that
I'd
like
to
take
is
kind
of
in
the
neighborhood
of
the
break.
B
So
any
questions
about
this
before
we
before
we
move
forward
folks
should
have
their
spreadsheets
from
last
week
as
a
starting
point
for
kind
of
receiving
information
and
adjusting
the
order
of
things.
I'm
not
gonna.
I'm
not
gonna.
Allow
five
minutes
this
time
for
dots,
because
I
think
we
found
that
it
takes
more
than
five
minutes
to
do
dots
so
that
just
for
the
public
who
might
be
watching
that's,
probably
going
to
be
more
like
a
15
minute
period
rather
than
a
five
minute
period.
B
And
then
once
that's
done,
we
have
a
little
bit
of
data
entry
to
do
and
we're
going
to
give
you
that
work
up
among
a
couple
people
and
and
try
to
get.
We
have
a
shared
spreadsheet
that
I
set
up
so
that
multiple
people
can
be
doing
data
entry
at
the
same
time
and
and
we'll
get
that
that
data
loaded
in
there
so
that
we
can
start
looking
at
what
the
results
of
that
are.
So
any
questions
process
wise
about
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
today.
B
Again,
and-
and
this
is
just
this
is
just
numbers
that
we
picked
just
purely
in
order
to
to
kind
of
assign
weights
to
each
number
I
mean
each
color.
The
green
ones
are
counting
as
where
is
it
here.
It's
in
here,
green
is
nine,
yellow
is
six
and
red
is
going
to
be
three
so
items
with
higher
numbers
in
the
score
column
are
going
to
be
generally
items
that
got
more
green
on
them
than
yellow
or
red.
A
B
Oh
after
the
meeting
yeah
yeah,
so
this
will
yeah
this
will
be
included.
So
what
will
end
up
happening
tonight
is
one
of
two
things
will
happen
either
either
we'll
look
at
the
results
of
this
and
look
at
the
order
after
we've
had
the
discussions
about
the
items
that
I
put
tick
marks
at
the
discussions
of
items
that
are
in
the
neighborhood
of
where
the
break
points
are
the
discussions
of
the
items
where
there's
lots
of
disagreement
once
we're
done
with
that
we'll
either
decide.
B
This
is
the
list
that
we
want
to
go
out
to
the
public
for
comment,
or
we
can
say
we're
going
to
sleep
on
it
and
come
back
next
week
and
have
a
final
round
of
conversations
if
it
goes
to
the
public.
This
will
it'll
be
in
the
minutes,
we'll
reformat
this
into
something
that's
more
consumable
for
the
public
to
use.
If
it
goes
to
the
committee,
we'll
probably
just
take
this
spreadsheet
and
distribute
it
to
the
committee
and
we'll
come
back
next
week
and
have
a
final
conversation.
B
C
B
B
A
B
Oh
yeah,
oh,
let
me
I'll
give
you
a
little
demo.
So,
let's
just
let's
just
assume
for
the
purposes
of
discussion
that
this
one
came
in
at
nine,
zero
and
zero
okay,
and
this
one
came
in
also
this
one
came
at
one
and
seven
and
one
okay,
and
then
this
one
is
at
nine
or
excuse
me:
let's
this
one
is
at
nine.
B
Let
me
get
a
better
example:
six,
two
six
one
and
two
like
that:
okay,
let's
say
that
those
are
the
values
that
we
assigned
there.
So
the
first
one
got
nine
greens,
the
second
one
got
one
green,
seven
yellows
and
one
red.
The
third
one
got
six
greens,
one
yellow
and
two
red
okay.
So
if
you
look
here,
here's
the
the
order
that
they're
in
you
know
this
one
got
81
points.
This
one
got
54
and
this
one
got
66..
B
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
just
go
in
here
I'll,
say,
sort
largest
to
smallest
and
you'll
note
here
that
this
calculation
changed
a
little
bit
to
reflect
the
fact
that
the
order
of
the
items
are
differently
they're
different
now,
okay.
So
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
do
that
sorting
and
then
we'll
see
what
ends
up
landing
at
that
break
point
in
here
and
see
if
that
makes
sense,
and
it's
a
when
I've
done
this
in
the
past.
G
A
G
A
G
G
B
There's
also
some
of
these,
where
I
have
put
tick
marks
on
here
as
things
that
in
than
looking
at
them,
they're
things
we
need
to
discuss
and
a
good
example
is
this
number
four,
which
is
the
reduce
election
cost
if
rank
choice,
voting
is
adopted
as
a
as
a
criterion
for
picking
something
for
the
committee.
We
said
we
were
only
going
to
pick
things
that
we
knew
that
were
going
to
be
doable.
Okay,
rank
choice,
voting
that's
up
to
the
voters.
We
don't
know
what
the
voters
are
going
to
do
on
that.
B
So
to
be
honest,
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
one
gets
taken
out,
but
to
your
question
I
think
you
can
do
this
largely
off
of
the
sheet
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
and
then,
when
we're
talking
about
items
at
a
particular
level.
Here
I
can
zoom
in
a
little
bit
and
make
it
be
bigger
and
and
have
that
work
and
then
I
can
also
call
off
the
numbers
of
the
items
that
are
just
above
the
breakpoint
and
below
so
that
you
can
get
a
sense
of
what
they
are.
B
Okay,
any
other
questions
on
what
we're
doing
here.
So
I'm
gonna
go
clear,
the
clear
the
scoreboard
and
we
will
change
the
sorting
back
to
the
option
numbers.
Okay,
so
I
think
the
first
thing
I'd
like
to
do
then
is
kind
of
go
through
and
talk
about
the
ones
that
I
talked
about
discussing
and
I
think
the
first
one
is
that
rank
choice
voting
one.
B
B
B
F
B
B
So
what
I
want
to
point
out
to
folks
here
is
I
I
changed.
The
dollar
amount
associated
with
the
no
lifeguards
or
or
on-site
coordinator
to
reflect
just
that
increment
that
that
generates.
In
other
words,
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
get
these
things.
So
if
we
pick
two
of
them
that
foots
correctly
in
the
spreadsheet
from
a
totaling
perspective,
and
then
I
think
this
one
here
is
mutually
exclusive
with
these
other
two,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
go
looking
for
that.
B
G
B
H
G
B
H
B
C
H
H
48
provides
actually
you
know
what
I'm
sorry,
I'm
gonna
take
that
back.
I
would
not
be
the
one
to
to
say
whether
or
not
three
rivers
would
provide
lifeguards.
In
fact,
I
would
say
that
at
some
of
the
beaches
that
three
rivers
offers
they
don't
offer
lifeguards
at
their
beaches,
they
do
just
provide
a
site
coordinator.
Thank
you.
So
again
the
conversations
haven't
quite
gone
to
that
level.
Yet,
but
in
my
initial
conversations,
three
rivers
park
district
would
likely
not
provide
lifeguards
just
provide
a
site
coordinator.
C
B
So
I
don't
think
there
I
don't
think
the
result
of
that
was
that
we're
going
to
introduce
any
new
option
there,
because
the
3d
rivers
thing
was
really
at
three
rivers:
discretion
what
they
ended
up
doing
so
I'm
unless
somebody
thought
we
were
gonna,
then
that
create
another
option.
I'm
not
gonna
put
anything
in
on
that.
B
G
B
Okay,
okay,
so
then
the
next
items
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
is
on
55,
56
and
57,
which
are
the
duan
green's
fee
increases.
I
I
took
those
and
divided
up
the
dollar
impact
on
that,
so
that
they're
additive.
So
if
you,
if
you
want
to
have
a
two
dollar
increase,
you
got
to
pick
the
one
dollar
one
and
the
two
dollar
one
that
gets
you
each,
because
each
one
gets
you
a
buck
of
increase.
Okay,
neil
you
want
ten
dollars.
Is
that
what
you're
gonna.
D
B
A
B
H
H
H
H
Our
rates
are
currently
below
market
and
were
not
increased
in
2020.
chris.
If
you
could
advance
one
please,
the
three
dollar
rate
increase
would
put
us
in
a
much
better
position
to
be
able
to
cover
our
operating
costs
and
puts
us
in
a
more
competitive
market
rate
within
the
current
market,
as
shown
above,
and
this
slide
shows
the
additional
revenue
that
could
be
achieved
with
those
one.
Two
and
three
dollar
rate.
F
G
D
B
G
Every
year
I'm
involved
in
a
process
of
so
I
determine
the
fees
for
the
five
three
rivers
golf
courses
and
it's
never
simple,
and
so
what
I've
learned
over
the
years
is
that
the
you'd
think
I'd
have
learned
this
in
the
cable
business.
But
we
never
learned
that
after
35
years,
but
in
the
greens
fees
setting
exercise,
I
I've
learned
that
the
pace
at
which
you
change
them
matters
quite
a
bit
as
well
as
the
amount
you
change
them
to
and
I'm
just
curious.
H
A
B
H
H
Yes,
I
can,
I
can
get
through
them
fairly
quickly.
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
we
we
thought-
maybe
you
might
have
a
little
bit
of
similar
types
of
questions,
specifically
as
it
related
to
rates,
and
we
thought
we
could
maybe
help
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
context
for
you
for
some
of
the
other
areas
in
which
we're
also
making
recommendations
for
rate
increases.
H
H
H
H
H
The
next
slide,
either
scenario
results
in
reduced
programming,
both
due
to
historical
low
participation
in
some
of
those
programs,
staff
cuts
and
a
reduction
in
hours
if
creekside
remains
open,
but
in
a
more
limited
basis,
fair
for
all.
Last
week,
some
questions
were
asked
about
some
of
the
food
programs.
H
H
Chris,
the
next
slide
was
about
duane,
which
we
already
talked
about,
and
then
the
next
slide
that
I
wanted
to
just
provide
slightly
more
context
about
was
highland
greens
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
duan
and
highland
greens
are
both
older
facilities
in
of
significant
capital
reinvestment
and
exploring
a
partnership
to
operate.
Highland
greens
allows
the
residents
to
continue
to
utilize
this
cherished
golf
asset
for
lessons,
leagues
and
practice
in
the
city,
and
the
city
would
not
be
responsible
for
its
operations
or
for
its
capital.
Reinvestment.
H
A
rate
increase
would
definitely
help
to
cover
its
annual
operating
costs,
but
does
not
help
with
significant
capital
investment
problems.
At
highland
greens,
due
to
staffing
changes
as
well
as
covet
impact,
the
minnesota
section
of
the
pga
is
unable
to
commit
to
a
partnership.
At
this
time
we
have
had
preliminary
discussions
with
the
three
rivers
park
district
on
taking
over
operations
of
the
golf
course.
H
We
also
have
some
impacts
to
the
fund.
Balance
of
the
gulf
enterprise
and
cary
carlson
would
be
the
expert
to
answer
any
questions,
as
as
it
relates
to
the
levy
for
those
facilities,
and
then
I
believe
my
last
slide
here.
Actually
I
have
two
more.
I
apologize
two
more
areas.
One
is
about
big,
the
bloomington
ice
garden.
I
just
wanted
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
context
to
the
to
the
increase
in
prime
hour
rates
that
we
were
proposing.
H
H
It's
worth
noting
that
we've
had
recent
and
significant
rate
increases
in
2019,
our
prime
hourly
rate
was
213
dollars
an
hour
in
2020.
We
increased
that
rate
to
224
dollars
an
hour,
and
we
proposed
an
additional
five
percent
rate
increase
in
the
2021
proposed
budget,
increasing
that
hourly
rate
to
235
dollars,
so
that
235
dollars
puts
us
in
a
good
market
rate,
especially
considering
the
condition
of
the
facility,
an
increase
to
the
additional
240
or
247
dollars.
An
hour
puts
us
in
the
high
end
of
the
market
and
then
the
last.
H
H
We
wanted
to
illustrate
that
even
with
the
fee
increases
proposed,
our
rates
are
still
well
below
the
market
rate,
comparing
our
weekly
rates
for
the
view
and
mini
view,
our
2021
proposed
rate
is
just
32
dollars
per
week.
This
compares
to
the
eden
prairie
program
at
eighty
five
dollars
a
week,
the
ymca
program
at
two
hundred
dollars
a
week,
edina
at
seventy
dollars
a
week
and
the
bloomington
school
district
galaxy
program
at
seventy
one
dollars
per
week.
H
Our
rate
increase
to
four
hundred
dollars
per
season
is
brings
our
dollar
amount
to
fifty
seven
dollars
a
week,
and
this
also
includes
lunches
and
a
pool
pass
in
2019
16
of
our
participants,
in
the
view
received
fee
assistance
and
9.
In
the
mini
vue
and
summer
adventure
playground
program
received
fee
assistance,
total
fee
assistance
discount
in
2019
was
over
7
500
in
youth
programs.
H
D
E
D
H
H
H
We
used
the
number
of
rounds
on
average
over
the
last
five
years,
so
those
are
those
are
the
the
the
way
that
we
came
up
with
the
dollar
amounts
that
we
did
for
the
rate
increases
that
were
proposed
and
and
to
your
point,
about
the
golf
course
you're
right.
There
is
a
very,
very
wide
range
of
numbers
of
browns
played
at
all
of
the
different
golf
courses
across
the
metro,
but
the
way
we
calculated
our
cost
was
on
the
last
five
years
of
rounds
at
both
of
our
golf
courses.
D
Just
follow
up
mister
and
a
lot
of
that
again
at
duane
depends
on
the
men's
club
and
the
women's
club.
If
they
show
up
you
get
a
lot
of
rounds
if
they
opt
to
go
to
a
different
course
to
play
league
play,
otherwise
they
show
up
twice
a
week
and
paid
me
twice
a
week,
tuesdays
and
thursdays
if
they
leave
and
go
to
inverwood
or
any
of
those
others.
How
do
we
ever
get
them
back?
B
D
H
B
G
E
So
co-chairs
committee
members
of
john
for
the
golf
fund,
the
there's
currently
a
property
tax
support
of
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
around
about
half
of
that
is
to
support
the
operations
for
golf.
But
then
another
part
is
to
try
to
build
up
this
deficit
that
has
grown
over
time
for
highland
greens
and
so
currently,
when
you
look
at
the
total
working
capital
in
the
golf
fund,
it's
it's
like.
E
If
we,
if
we
didn't,
have
the
revenues
from
highland
that
would
go
away,
but
then
some
of
the
charges
for
expenses
that
go
for
the
golf
course
that
are
right
now
split
between
juan
and
highland.
Some
of
that
would
go
away
completely,
but
some
of
it
would
come
back
for
the
golf
courses
so
kind
of
when
you're
looking
at
it.
Overall,
it's
taking
the
revenue
away
it
just
it
sort
of
nets
to
zero,
and
maybe
chris
would
add
to
that.
E
F
I
was
just
going
to
put
sort
of
an
underline
on
the
fact
that
we
can
never
generate
enough
money
to
pay
for
any
kind
of
capital,
improvement
or
significant
maintenance
item
or
whatever
they're,
just
covering
sort
of
the
wage
costs
that
they're
incurring
year
in
and
year
out.
And
so
that's
as
kari
spoke.
F
And
when
those
inevitably
have
happened
over
the
years,
it
ate
up
its
reserves
and
it's
never
been
able
to
restore
those
reserves
so
capital.
The
inability
to
fund
capital
investments
is
a
critical
issue
for
highland
that
you
don't
necessarily
see
when
you
just
look
at
daily
operating
costs
versus
revenue,
and
it's
why
it
looks
more
neutral
for
2021.
If
we
were
to
cease
operations,
but
we
would
be
saving
all
that
future
capital
investment,
that's
needed.
G
G
F
We
can
take
another
look
through
that
fund.
I
think,
as
kari
stressed,
though,
there
are
a
fair
amount
of
costs
that
are
shared
between
dwan
and
highland.
So
if
there
is
no
highland
budget,
then
those
costs
fall.
Some
of
them
fall
to
duane.
Some
of
them
go
away
and
dwan
is
in
a
not
unsimilar
position,
so
we
may
be
showing
the
need
to
build
up
funding
for
improvements
to
juan,
as
co-chair
peterson
noted
a
few
minutes
ago.
There's
a
need
there
to
make
capital
investments
in
that
course
as
well.
G
B
Well,
one
thing
you
have
to
be
a
little
bit
careful
about
is
that
historically
I
mean
that
is,
is
treating
some
of
the
recreational
activities
is
happening
to
fund
their
capital
costs
and
other
ones
not
yeah
right.
You
know,
because
we
we
have
a
lot
of
park
facilities
in
the
city
that
we've
put
capital
money
into
that.
B
You
know
clearly
wouldn't
on
an
operating
basis,
kind
of
pay
for
themselves,
but
that's
that's
how
recreational
facilities
get
paid
for
in
communities,
and
so
just
because
the
golf
courses
have
big
revenues
associated
with
them.
You
know
expecting
them
to
fund
their
capital
expenses,
but
telling
things
that
have
no
revenues
associated
with
them
that
don't
have
to
that's
kind
of
a
yeah.
You
know
kind
of
a
backwards
thing
yep
in.
G
B
Anyone
else,
okay,
so
on
the
galaxy
funding
one.
The
question
I
had
on
that
one
is:
is
this
completely
at
our
discretion
and
it?
I
noticed
that
it
said
eliminator
reduce.
Is
that
I
mean.
Is
that
a
pick,
a
number
thing
where
we
could
say
we'll
spend
fifty
thousand
dollars
on
that
we'll
spend
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
in
that?
What's
what
is-
and
I
think
this
is
probably
an
and
question
from
kari-
I
don't
know.
B
H
B
B
B
B
This
is
basically
a
continuation
of
the
section
before
where
we
opened
up
numbers
for
people
to
ask
questions
about
things,
so
I
would
entertain
questions
about
anything.
It
would
be
basically,
I
think,
number
92
onward,
because
the
new
one,
I
think
we
had
91
last
time,
yeah,
that's
right,
so
92
onward
any
questions
about
those
and
chris.
If
you'll
keep
an
eye
on
ikea,
while
I'm
presenting
here
that'd
be
great,
she
does
have
her.
Oh,
she
does
every
hand
I'll
call
in
ikea.
Then.
A
A
B
B
B
And
I
think
those
would
fall
into
that
category,
so
I
think
in
general
my
intention
was
to
kind
of
precisely
go
down.
The
line
that
you
were
talking
about
was
that
at
the
end
we
would
take
and
recap
all
of
the
things
that
we
said
were
kind
of
future
things
that
we
thought
maybe
they're
viable,
but
they
weren't
a
fiscal,
21,
viable
thing
and
produced
that
list.
B
B
B
B
D
C
B
More
costs
at
your
location
in
edina,
and
maybe
maybe
you
want
to
do
some
subsidize-
the
operation
of
our
motor
vehicle
operation
a
little
bit
differently,
and
so
the
the
question
is,
is
whether
we
conclude
could
conclude
that
negotiation.
That's
what
93
means
just
concluding
that
negotiation
in
that
time
frame-
and
I
know
chris
if
you've
got
anything
more
on
that
you're
over
there
kind
of
looking
at
me
like.
F
You've
got
something
more.
I
do
not
have
additional
information
at
this
time,
other
than
that
you
know
the
city
managers
reaching
out
to
hennepin
county
to
determine
if
they
would
engage
in
that
conversation
with
us.
You
have
several
choices
here,
so
you're
correct
that
if
the
council
opted
to
discontinue
offering
the
motor
vehicle
service,
that
service
would
likely
be
wound
down
fairly
quickly
in
a
matter
of
of
weeks
or
a
couple
of
months.
F
That
is
an
option
on
the
table.
Another
option
on
the
table
would
be
to
determine
or
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
they
continue
to
use
taxes
to
subsidize
motor
vehicle
for
another
year.
While
we
explore
options
and
then
come
back
to
it
again
next
year
and
see
if
any
progress
has
been
made
and
if
they
you
know
wish
to
continue
so
they're
sort
of
both
true.
B
B
Okay,
one
last
call
were
there
any
of
the
items
that
people
had
additional
questions.
We
got
quite
a
bit
information
in
the
pack.
At
this
time
we
got
the
the
the
expected
kind
of
public
feedback
has
started
to
arrive,
so
we're
starting
to
get
feedback
from
people.
People
are
starting
to
pay
attention
to.
What's
going
on,
we
got
quite
a
bit
of
kind
of
content
about
particular
changes
that
we're
making.
B
B
There
are
sheets
that
people
are
putting
dots
on
and
then
we
are
going
to
be
dividing
up
the
sheets
and
entering
them
in
this
spreadsheet
and
when
we
come
back,
the
spreadsheet
that
you
see
being
projected
right
now
is
going
to
have
data
in
it
from
the
the
data
collection
that
we've
done
and
then
we'll
start.
The
conversation
that
I
described
so,
unless
is
anything
that
somebody
wants
to
bring
up
before
we
break
for
that.
Mr
chair
yeah
go.
A
B
Is
your
preference
that
we
vote
on
each
item
yeah?
So
I
think
that
the
answer
so
so,
if
you
do
not
put
a
sticker
next
to
something
the
effect
of
that,
is
that
it
delegates
the
the
responsibility
for
ranking
that
one
to
everybody
else?
Okay,
so
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
cause
it
to
rise
up.
It
doesn't
cause
it
to
go
down.
It
just
purely
causes
your
voice
not
to
be
heard
on
a
particular
item
and.
F
B
Happened
some
last
time
and
if,
if
that's
how
people
are
feeling
on
a
particular
item,
they
can
go
ahead
and
do
that.
But
if
you
really
think
that
something
shouldn't
be
done,
the
correct
color
for
a-
I
really
think
it
shouldn't
be
done
thing
is
the
red
color.
It's
not
it's
not
kind
of
withholding
your
voice.
Does
that
make
sense?
Okay,
so
just
to
just
to
recap
on
a
couple
of
these
things,
for
example,
on
the
duan
fees
increase
you
you
can't,
you
can't
vote
to
increase.
B
It
increase
the
increase
from
one
to
two
dollars
unless
you
vote
for
the
original
one
so
for
the
ones
that
are
nested,
be
sure
you're
taking
that
into
account
that
that
clarifies
it
and
makes
the
ranking
work
better.
If
we
do
that,
then
we
had
a
couple
items
that
we
put
out
of
scope,
so
I
will,
in
the
spreadsheet,
mark
those
so
that
they
show
up
at
the
bottom.
So
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
giving
those
particular
ones
negative,
negative
votes.
Those
will
automatically
fall
to
the.
B
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
B
B
You,
okay,
so
the
first
sort
that
I
did
for
conversation
purposes
was
causing
things
that
we
didn't
agree
very
strongly
about
and
actually
to
step
back
for
a
second
looking
through
it.
I
was
surprised
at
how
often
we
had
either
all
green
or
lots
of
green
and
yellow
or
lots
of,
yellow
and
red.
So
there's
a
surprising
amount
of
agreement,
as
we've
been
having
conversations,
but
I
brought,
I
think,
like
these
top
ten
ones
on
here
are
worth
just
kind
of
walking
through
and
pointing
out
where
we
had
lots
of
disagreements.
B
So
just
to
recap
here
like
this
one,
for
example,
the
fire
department
tuition
reimbursement.
We
had
you
know
it
was
kind
of
pretty
spread
pretty
evenly
across
the
the
whole
group.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
just
walk
through
here
and
see
if
there's
anyone
who
wants
to
kind
of
argue,
you
know
in
favor
of
changing
something
here
or
if
we
just
want
to
kind
of
continue
on,
but
starting
would
be
this
fire
department
tuition
reimbursement,
it's
three
grand,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
disagreement
on
that.
B
F
G
B
G
B
That
one,
that
one
has
a
fairly
low
score
of
21,
so
it's
likely
to
be
down
toward
the
bottom,
but
I
think
we
can
either
get
more
information
for
next
week
or
we
can
just
kind
of
let
it
ride
where
it's
at
and
when
we
come
back
through
on
the
final
pass.
After
we
get
the
community
feedback,
we
could
talk
about
it
then
right.
B
A
B
B
B
G
Yeah,
if
I
might
on
that
one,
because
that
one
is
a
little
bit
confusing
because
there
are
there-
are
various
buckets.
So
this
50
000
line
item
would
relate
to
the
roughly
200
000
a
year,
grant
that
the
city
has
been
providing
artistry
for
the
last
five
years,
and
that
was
a
five-year
understanding
that
expired
this
year.
G
So
what
this
would
represent
is
that,
rather
than
continuing
on
at
that
level
or
no
level,
it
proposes
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
amount.
So
it's
a
reduction
to
20
about
25
percent
of
the
level
that
particular
grant's
been
at
for
five
years.
Okay,
so
it's!
I
think
the
concept
behind
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
level
would
be
sure
it's
all
shut
down.
G
But
if
an
organization
like
that
gets
too
spartan
during
a
maybe
two
year
pandemic,
slash
recession
and
given
how
much
contributed
money
occurs
and
all
the
volunteer
money
and-
and
the
momentum
break
you
know,
does
it
become
borderline
lethal?
So
I
think
that's
the
rationale
behind
the
50.
and
then
there
are
two
other
sources.
The
one
is,
it
looks
similar,
I
think,
that's
the
million
dollars
or
whatever
for
the
bloomington
center
of
the
arts.
G
That's
really
not
related
to
artistry
and
then
there's
a
a
grant
that
a
bunch
of
the
arts
organization
grant
pool
that
a
bunch
of
the
arts
organizations
participate
in
and
artistry
does
participate
in
that
one.
I
think
we're
proposing
that
that
would
go
down
as
well,
but
this
one
is
is
tied
to
that
five-year
contract
that
expired.
B
Okay,
so
then,
looking
at
these
ones
that
all
had
the
same
kind
of
score,
around
kind
of
how
much
we
agreed,
I'm
gonna
pick
out
a
couple
of
these
other
bigger
ones
that
are
at
that
level,
rather
than
going
through
every
single
dollar
amount.
So
the
there
were
two
in
here
related
to
police,
the
commander
and
the
roll
call
pay
in
there
that
we
had
a
lot
of
you
know.
These
are
ones
that
had
four
people
with
red
on
them.
B
B
Think
we're
what
we're
just
doing
is
we're
just
looking
at
these
and
seeing
if
there's
anything
in
particular
that
we
want
to
bring
up
about
these
particular
items.
So
if
you,
if
you
go,
look
at
these
scores
here,
what's
going
to
happen
when
we
resort
there
is
sorry
the
higher
number
ones
are.
You
know
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
go
from
we're.
Gonna
go
from
high
to
low
on
things
so.
A
A
So
with
that
being
said
just
so,
the
committee
knows
where
my
mindset
is
and
when
I
went
through
and
and
put
my
dots
for
public
safety
in
the
police.
I'm
I'm
one
to
say
that
I
pretty
much
did
red
dots
and
maybe
a
couple
of
yellow.
So
again
I
reflected
back
and
if
you
go
back
and
you
look
at
the
comments
from
these
sessions
you're
going
to
see
just
this
overwhelming
comments
about
public
safety
and
feeling
safe
and
they
they
like
their
neighborhood.
A
C
The
acceptance
of
public
safety
in
bloomington
and
john
mentioned
on
one
other
issue
that
sometimes
you'll
lose
momentum
over
a
few
years.
If
you
start
cutting
back
and
I'm
afraid
if
we
start
cutting
back,
we
don't
just
automatically
well
we're
going
to
improve
now.
So
we're
going
to
replace
all
these
positions,
I
I'm
afraid
to
start
cutting
and
that
we're
not
going
to
pay
a
pretty
significant
price.
C
C
I
look
at
what
the
department
does
aside
from
the
basic
law
enforcement
piece.
Most
of
what
police
do
is
non-police
related
and
that's
across
the
country
we
help
find
lost
children.
We
give
advice
on
a
lot
of
different
things.
We
direct
traffic.
I
mean
it's
not,
you
know
cops
and
robbers
kinds
of
things,
but
bloomington
is
special
in
the
fact
that
they
reach
out
and
if
you
look
at
how
they
spend
their
call
their
non-call
time
dedicated
resource
time.
C
It's
stop
coffee
with
a
cop
it's
getting
out
and
talking
to
people,
it's
building
relationships
and
that's
why
they've
got
such
a
high
rating,
because
people
respect
them.
They
think
the
work
that
they
do
is
second
to
none.
So
I've
got
to
put
my
two
cents
in
that.
I
think
it's
it's
more
than
just
saving
some
dollars.
C
C
C
A
A
I'm
not
sure
I
heard
john
correctly,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear
the
he
was
referring
to
the
five-year
agreement
we
had
between
the
city
and
the
organization
that
was
a
200
000
a
year,
supplemental
grant
to
the
other
program
that
that
was
accurate.
The
50
000
that
we
had
in
the
budget
was
a
placeholder
in
the
event
that
we
were
to
continue
to
have
a
supplemental
grant,
so
this
would
wipe
out
any
any
supplemental
support
aside
from
the
cultural
arts
grants
that
artistry
participates
in.
B
B
G
A
B
B
Yeah,
oh,
I
do
want,
but
I
do
want
to
do
those
I
want
to
show
the
cumulative
total
so
hold
on
here,
just
a
second.
Actually,
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
get
rid
of
the
cumulative
total
I'll,
just
I'm
going
to
just
show
where
the
break
points
are
right
now,
because
I
think
the
break
points
are
kind
of
where
we'll
be
interested
in
at
this
point
in
the
discussion.
B
B
I
think
I
think
what
we'll
do
here
is
I'm
going
to
focus
in
a
little
bit
on
kind
of
where
the
the
break
point
is
between
things.
Maybe
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
start
out
by
showing
this
and
paging
through
it?
Just
so,
people
can
read
it
and
then
we'll
switch
back
and
we'll
look
at
kind
of
where
things
fell
at
the
dividing
line
between
the
various
levee
scenarios,
and
we
can
see
if
there's
things
that
look
kind
of
just
completely
wrong,
or
we
want
to
adjust
around
that.
B
F
B
F
Mr
chair
and
committee
members,
the
savings
would
be
225
000,
as
you
heard
early
on
in
your
meetings,
this
city
uses
a
variety
of
internal
service
charges
to
allocate
overhead.
The
original
savings
number
listed
assumed
that
we
would
reallocate
those
overhead
charges
to
other
departments.
Okay,
the
city
manager
has
given
the
direction
that
we
would
not
reallocate
those
overhead
charges
in
those
areas
that
provide
that
overhead
would
just
have
to
tighten
their
belt
and
live
without
the
money
that
they
were
getting.
B
So
one
thing-
that's
that's
notable
here
to
me-
is:
if
you
look
around
that
five
to
three
percent
levy
transition,
there
there's
a
lot
of
items
in
there
that
have
the
same
score.
Okay,
and
so
what
that
tells
me
is
that
there's
potential
for
opportunities
to
move
things
around
there.
If
people
are
feeling
that
something
should
have
been
scored
differently,
we
don't
have
to
bring
that
up
right
now,
but
we'll
get
back
to
talking
about
that
in
a
little
bit.
But
that's
one
thing:
I'm
noticing
in
this
pattern.
B
B
B
D
B
B
And
again,
this
is
this
is
the
way
the
spreadsheet
works
is
it
is
it
takes.
It
assumes
that
the
last
item
can't
be
cut
in
half,
so
it
keeps
picking
items
until
you've
fully
fulfilled
the
the
reduction
that
you
have.
So
these
these
numbers
here
are
necessarily
slightly
higher
than
what
the
staff
provided
as
the
the
actual
target
numbers.
B
Then
the
breakpoint
between
five
and
three
was
about
1.6
in
there.
Does
that
answer
your
question?
Okay,
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
do
here
now
that
we've
kind
of
gone
through
that
list
is
we're
just
going
to
look
real
quickly
at
the.
We
can
hide
this
at
this
point,
because
we're
done
talking
about
that.
B
We're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
these
think
about
these
items
here
around
the
breakpoint
between
the
five
and
the
three
percent
number,
and
I
guess
the
question
would
be:
is
there?
Are
there
things
that
got
caught
in
the
five
percent
scenario
that
are
there
trades?
Basically
at
this
line
that
you
would
be
making,
because
these
items
up
here
are
things
in
the
five
percent
scenario
that
we
would
cut?
These
are
things
that
we
would
be
the
first
things
that
we
would
be
cutting
in
the
three
percent.
G
Scenarios,
oh
mr
chair,
I
might
suggest
that
yeah
and
some
of
these
well.
They
may
not
be
big
numbers
if,
if
some
of
these
are
in
that
sort
of
tie
category
but
are
likely
to
play
out
on
the
natural
just
because
of
a
slow
recovery
or
slow
exit
from
covid,
just
feels
to
me
like
those
might
be
easy
ones
to
move
into
the
five
percent.
I'm
thinking
there's
a
conference
travel
just
under
the
line,
for
example,
and
I
thought
there
was
another
one
that
seemed
to
tie
to
the
current
circumstances.
F
D
Chairman,
I
would
propose
that
we
take
the
80
000
in
ash
tree
removal
and
pull
that
up
into
the
five
percent
area
and
then
bring
back
down
there.
Some
of
those
smaller
items,
the
travel
and
the
stuff-
and
I
have
heartburn
over
that
ash
tree
cut
down.
Again
you
go
out
the
duan
golf
course
and
on
overlook
drive.
B
So
what
you're
proposing
then,
is
that
this
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars,
which
is
the
the
one
for
that
item,
would
go
up
into
the
five
percent
bucket
and
we
would
identify
a
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
with
items
up
here
to
move
down.
Okay,
do
you
have
suggestions
on
because,
like
in
baseball,
you
know?
Typically,
they
yeah.
D
D
B
Yeah,
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
agree
with
john
on
this
is
that
kind
of
travel
related
things
like
like
going
to
physical
conferences
unlikely
to
get
spent
in
next
year.
You
know
given
the
circumstances,
so
I
I
think
I'm
I'm
open
to
the
I
personally
I'm
open
to
the
idea
of
switching
the
question
is:
is
what
are
the
things
that
you
would
be
picking
from
this
top
bucket?
You
know
this
rank
here,
scored
higher.
B
And
the
other,
the
other
thing
that
we
can
choose
to
do
now-
that
we
now
kind
of
see
the
order
of
this
is
that
we
can
choose
to
say
we're
going
to
kind
of
walk
through
this
and
have
a
little
bit
of
discussion
tonight
and
come
back
next
week
and
make
the
final
decision
so
that
people
have
a
chance
to
ponder
it.
You
know
I
want
to
leave
the
opportunity
in
case
there
was
the
lightning
bolt
of
consensus
that
occurred
tonight.
B
The
other
thing
to
remember
is
that
what
we're
doing
here
is
we're
making
a
proposal
that
we're
taking
to
the
public.
It's
not
our
final
decision,
so
we
shouldn't
be
sitting
here,
thinking
that
that
we're
setting
anything,
particularly
in
concrete
at
this
point,
I
think,
when
we
get
feedback
from
the
public,
we
have
the
freedom
to
adjust
this
in
any
way
we
want,
based
on
that
feedback
or
based
on
information,
that
we
learn
from
any
source
between
now
and
we're
making
the
final
decision.
A
F
D
B
B
B
D
D
B
So,
let's
just
quickly,
though,
we'll
go
down
here
and
just
look
at
the
dividing
line
here
and
I
think
actually,
my
by
adding
the
column
has
broken
the
dividing
line
logic,
so
I
think
you're
right,
I
think
we're
gonna
that's
what
this
is
gonna
do
is.
This
is
gonna
end
up
having
us
come
back
for
next
week
and
go
and
do
that,
but
just
to
quickly
go
through
and
look
at
things
in
the
revised
order.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
D
B
Yup,
absolutely
maybe
in
a
slightly
different
format,
to
make
it
a
little
bit
easier
to
consume.
When
we're
done,
because
a
lot
of
the
detail
in
this,
we
don't
need
going
forward,
we
just
need
the
ranks
and
then
we
can,
because
in
the
next
meeting,
basically
what
we'll
be
doing
is
adjusting
the
the
ranking
directly.
G
B
D
B
B
Okay,
so
to
kind
of
wrap
up
tonight's
meeting,
what
you'll
get
in
the
in
the
packet
for
next
week
and
that
will
be
included
in
the
agenda
materials
for
the
public
will
be
this
spreadsheet
sorted
in
this
order
with
the
breakpoints
in
there
the
I
think,
the
the
form
that
will
want
people
to
make
proposals
next
week
is.
I
think
that
people
should
have
to
come
forward
with
it
with
a
trade.
B
In
other
words,
I
think
you
need
to
come
and
say
I
would
like
to
move
this
up
and
the
way
I'm
going
to
pay
for
it
is
move
that
down
so
that
we
can
adopt
something
as
a
unit
that
is
neutral
in
terms
of
the
impact
of
things
okay.
So,
when
you're
looking,
if,
for
example,
if
you're
somebody
like
me
who
thinks
the
crime
analyst
is
important,
and
you
want
that
to
go
into
the
no
bucket,
you
got
to
find
a
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
the
no
bucket
to
push
the
other
way.
B
B
So
I
think
our
if,
if
people
have
the
mental
picture
that
we're
proposing
something
that
we
think
is
going
to
be
the
final
thing,
I
think
it's
far
from
it.
I
think
the
thing
that
we're
proposing
is
going
to
be
a
starting
point
for
the
conversation
and
it's
very
likely
when
we
exit
this
process
at
the
end
of
october.
It
looks
substantially
different
from
what
we
started
with
in
meaningful
ways.