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Bloomington Community Budget Advisory Committee Meeting
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And
so
this
evening,
after
the
information
and
updates
you'll
be
looking
at
some
budget
reductions
that
we
have
received
to
date
from
community
we've
had
some
community
partner
listing
sessions
and
emails
and
some
feedback
from
the
community
as
well
as
committee
members,
have
submitted
ideas
for
budget
reduction.
So
you're
going
to
be
discussing
that
this
evening
there
will
be
more
input
from
the
community
as
we
do
have
listening
sessions
tomorrow.
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Night
is
the
first
one
and
then
also
saturday
morning,
so
we'll
have
some
more
information
about
that
and
then
the
4.3
item
tonight
is
looking
at
finalizing
the
revenue
scenarios
to
guide
your
budget
scenario
discussion,
but
then
just
to
lay
out
what
the
next
three
meetings
after
this
look
like-
and
this
is
from
co-chair
steve,
peterson's
email
to
the
committee.
A
couple
weeks
back
and
so
next
week,
you'll
be
discussing
the
initial
round
of
community
engagement.
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So
we'll
have
those
sessions
will
have
happen,
so
we
can
give
some
information
on
that
and
emily
larson.
If
you
remember
emily
from
our
community
outreach
and
engagement
division
will
be
sharing
information
from
that,
and
also
that
is
the
meeting
where
you
will
be
receiving
the
budget
reduction
potential
budget
reduction
options
for
the
committee
to
consider
from
the
departments.
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So
staff
has
been
working
and
has
been
compiling
budget
reduction
options
and
that
will
be
published
in
the
september
18
or
be
published
in
the
september
23rd
agenda
packet,
which
you
will
receive
on
september
18th
this
friday,
and
there
is
going
to
be
a
lot
of
material
in
there.
Just
to
give
you
a
heads
up
so
that
you
are
able
to
see
that
ahead
of
time,
because
I
think
the
september
23rd
meeting
will
be
a
pretty
full
meeting.
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But
that's
when,
along
with
additional
budget
reduction
options
that
you
could
receive
from
community
input
and
what
you'll
be
discussing
tonight,
that
you'd
like
us
to
include
that
you'll
start
the
discussions
of
just
ranking
those
budget
reduction
proposals
and
identifying
additional
information
that
you
need
for
september
30th.
So
then,
the
september
30th
meeting.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
continuation
and
if
you
would
like
to
step
in
co-chair,
steve
peterson,
maybe.
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That's
the
second
set
of
community
feedback
meetings
that
are
around
the
specific
proposals
that
we're
making,
and
so
we
need
to
be
done
on
the
seventh
in
order
to
go
to
those
meetings
and
just
as
a
big
picture
thing,
we
were
very
intentional.
You
know
co-chair
peterson
and
I
about
wanting
to
both
gather
feedback
prior
to
picking
choices
so
that
we
could
get
people's
input
and
getting
feedback
after
we've
made
some
initial
choices,
and
the
reason
is:
is
some
people
want
to
be
involved
at
the
front
and
generate
ideas?
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Other
people
work,
best
reacting,
went
to
a
specific
proposal
for
commenting
and
so
we're
offering
the
community
both
of
those
options
to
participate,
and
so,
if,
if
we're
able
to
get
done
on
september
30th,
then
we
don't
need
to
have
a
meeting
on
october
7th.
If
we
don't
get
done
on
september,
30th
then
we'll
meet
on
october
7th
in
order
to
wrap
things
up.
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I
don't
know
if
there
was
anything
you
wanted
to
add
to
that.
That's
really
what
we're
you
know.
I
think
the
you
know.
We've
talked
about
this
for
a
while,
but
I
think
that
these
these
three
or
four
meetings
here
really
are
we're
going
to
be
driving
from
and
taking
a
lot
of,
the
information
that
we've
gotten
taking
the
ideas
that
we
have,
that
we've
gotten
from
the
community
we'll
be
getting
ideas
from
the
staff
we'll
be
synthesizing
that
into
a
proposal
or
a
set
of
three
proposals
that
we'll
be
taking
forward.
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Thank
you
very
much
coach,
aaron
peterson,
and
just
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
information.
We
have
our
digital
platform,
where
we're
taking
in
ideas
on
the
city's
website
called.
Let's
talk,
bloomington,
where
there's
a
quick
budget
survey
and
some
places
to
put
ideas
about
the
addressing
the
budget
gap
and
then
tomorrow,
night
september,
17th
at
6
30
p.m.
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And
then
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
our
communications
department
just
promoting
these
different
ways
of
giving
impact
input
to
the
budget
process,
since
there
is
a
pandemic
and
it
is
very
hard
to
be
able
to
do
what
we
would
traditionally
do
in
meeting
in
person.
But
there
is
article
on
the
briefing
in
september
and
facebook
posting
about
this
about
engagement
opportunities,
also
so
facebook,
twitter
nextdoor.
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Also
john
logs
had
contacted
the
school
district
and
we
were
able
to
get
information
to
the
school
district
to
promote
the
engagement
event
as
well.
So
thank
you,
john
for
reaching
out
to
them,
and
we
we
have
flyers
that
are
in
english,
spanish
and
also
somali,
and
then
this
week
we've
been
boosting
the
facebook
post
and
trying
to
a
lot
of
the
registrations
that
we're
getting
are
coming.
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for
the
port
authority.
It
was
a
166
thousand
in
2019
and
then
year
to
date,
this
year,
40
000.
and
then
also.
I
don't
know
if
this
was
a
question.
But
we
added
this
information
as
well,
just
to
let
you
know
so
for
things
that
are
out.
We
pay
for
outside
legal
services,
a
bond
legal
cost,
47
000
in
2018.
These
are
city
costs
and
36
000
in
2019,
and
then
other
legal
costs
for
different
things,
sometimes
with
hr
or
other
issues
that
we
need.
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A
I've
got
a
question
on
that.
My
unders,
my
recollection
from
when
I
was
on
the
council,
is
that
for
for
lawsuits
that
the
city
was
involved
in
that
the
outside
legal
costs
that
typically
the
city
was
represented
by
outside
counsel
in
in
lawsuits,
and
that
those
legal
cost
numbers
does
that
include
outside
counsel,
or
is
that
funded
out
of
the
league
of
minnesota
city's
insurance?
I
can't
remember
how
that's
funded.
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A
Just
for
completeness-
because
I
you
know,
I
think
it's
a
good
strategy
for
the
city
to
be
hiring
that
out
because
it
goes
up
and
down
from
year
over
year
and
you
don't
have
a
kind
of
ongoing
need
for
that
sort
of
thing.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
that
when
we're
showing
this
information,
it's
completely
accurate
other
questions
about
this.
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They
one
thing
else
at
the
bottom
here
that
the
county
administrator
said:
we've
been
planning
since
the
pandemic
hit
to
present
a
budget
with
a
zero
percent
increase
for
2021
and
that
the
operating
portion
of
this
budget
totals
two
billion
dollars,
a
decrease
of
45
million
from
the
adjusted
2020
budget.
So
they're,
you
know
the
county's
much
larger
than
the
city
of
so
a
lot,
a
lot
larger
budget
than
what
we're
talking
about.
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Canceling
leases
significantly
decreasing
the
capital
budget
and
using
fund
balance
and
contingency
funds
to
fill
gaps,
but
we'll
have
the
the
senate's
entirety
will
be
published
that
you
can
see,
and
it's
also,
if
you
have
a
printed
copy,
is
there
and
then
some
other
information
with
this
zero
percent
preliminary
tax
levy?
This
is
a
hennepin
county
tax
impact
that
we
wanted
to
share
with
you,
and
so
this
this
slide
has
the
median
median
county
value
home,
so
it's
showing
in
2020
that
was
298
400
and
then
2021.
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So
what
we
were
just
looking
at
before
is
county
tax,
and
if
our
tax
levy
was
at
zero
percent
increase
from
2020,
it
would
only
go
down
about
1.4
percent
as
versus
eight
point.
Six
percent-
that's
showing
over
here
and
the
major
driver.
The
difference
for
this
that
the
assessing
department
said
was
that
the
county
net
tax
base
is
about
is
up
about
five
percent.
More
than
bloomington.
F
Kari,
can
you
go
back
to
the
previous
slide?
Yes,
I
know
this
has
been
a
a
point
of
sensitivity
for
the
committee
yep
there
you
go
just
understanding
that
the
city
is
not
the
only
taxing
entity
that
our
property
taxpayers
contribute
towards.
So
the
the
meaningful
number
here,
besides
that
8.6
percent,
is
really
what
that
translates
into,
and
so
it's
about
a
101
dollar
reduction
going
into
2021
for
the
county
piece.
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A
D
D
So,
first
off
with
the
some
of
the
information
input
that
we
have
from
the
community
that
co-chair
steve,
peterson
will
be
going
through,
is
we've
had
community
partner
meetings
and
to
get
budget
input?
So
on
august
18th
we
had
the
latino
latina
leaders
meeting
september
1st
we
had
african
and
black
leaders
meeting
then
september
9th
we
had
a
meeting
with
the
creekside
seniors.
D
Also
today
this
morning
we
had
a
meeting
with
business
leaders
in
the
community,
so
we'll
have
some
information
to
share
about
that.
Next
week,
we've
also
had
the
let's
talk:
bloomington
digital
engagement
platform
launched
on
the
city's
website
since
august
26th,
and
just
a
lot
of
this
information
out
in
the
briefing
and
and
social
media
has
prompted
some
emails
and
phone
calls
from
residents
or
people
who
are
watching
these
meetings
with
just
input
ideas.
They
have
questions
about
the
budget.
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D
So
here
was
at
the
time
when
the
packet
was
published.
We
had
the
first
three
meetings
and
so
in
total
27
in
total
of
those
three
meetings
that
we
had
to
date
there.
So
with
the
latino
leaders,
the
black
and
african
leaders
group
and
the
creekside
senior
leaders,
and
then
we
have
zip
codes
and
there
was
so
they're
they're
done
through
zoom,
and
we
do
a
poll
for
this
different
demographic
overview,
that's
optional,
so
that
we
have
information
on
zip
code
and
race
or
ethnicity,
age
range
and
if
they
rent
or
own.
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D
B
F
Co-Chairs
and
committee
members-
I
agree
with
john
I
I
will
tell
the
committee
it's
not
for
lack
of
trying
our
outreach
folks
in
the
chamber.
Both
were
working
very
hard.
We
went
back
because
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
was
not
having
this
be
just
exclusive
to
chamber
members,
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
appealing
to
all
business
members.
Our
staff
went
back
to
that
database
that
we
had
for
the
small
business
emergency
assistance
loans
and
hit
that
a
couple
of
times.
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C
D
I'm
sorry,
okay,
so
that's
just
some
information.
There's
in
the
packet
we
did
publish
just
some
initial
feedback.
There
hasn't
been
a
lot
of
activity.
There's
been
a
little
bit
on
the
let's
talk,
bloomington
website.
If
you'd
like
I
can
bring
up
the
report.
If
you
want
to,
if
you
or
if
you
have
any
questions,
we
can
bring
it
up
and
talk
through
it.
A
D
So
the
next
two
things
I
have
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over.
So
there's
what
we
had
in
the
packet
is
budget
reduction
ideas
from
the
community
to
date,
knowing
that
there's
going
to
be
some
more
tomorrow
and
saturday
and
then
also
from
the
committee
members
that
submitted
budget
reduction
ideas
and
there's
gonna
be
opportunity
to
add
to
that
this
evening.
But
I'm
going
to
stop
sharing
my
screen
and
co-chair
peterson
is
going
to
bring
up
his
screen
to
mr.
F
F
Yeah
co-chairs
committee
members,
mr
sergeant
mackey.
We
we
should
probably
make
an
extra
push
with
them
again
and
I'm
thinking
ahead
to
the
october
sessions
and
not
just
a
heads
up.
We
want
you
to
advertise
this,
but
I
think
one
of
the
strategies
we
might
want
to
use
is
a
letter
to
the
editor
or
you
know,
a
guest
columnist,
piece
and
maybe
think
about
doing
that
from
the
perspective
of
the
co-chairs
or
something
along
those
lines.
A
A
Here
and
then
I
went
through
just
as
an
initial
kind
of
draft
thing
and
just
using
my
own
knowledge
categorized
them
as
to
whether
it
was
kind
of
a
one-time
thing
or
a
recurring
thing,
whether
it
represented
revenue
or
reduction
in
expenses,
whether
this
column
represents
whether,
in
my
opinion,
it
was
something
that
that
the
city
could
do
on
its
own
without
getting
somebody
else
to
cooperate
with.
So
we've
talked
about
a
bunch
of
ideas
that
the
city
doesn't
have
the
power
to
do
on
its
own.
A
A
good
example
is,
and
it's
one
of
the
things
on
here,
is
around
the
south
loop
development
fund
and
that
money
that
requires
action
of
the
legislature
in
order
to
change
that,
and
so
based
on
my
knowledge,
I
I
kind
of
mark
these
up,
I'm
expecting
that
the
staff
will
raise
their
hand.
If
I
screwed
up
on
that
and
did
something
wrong
on
that,
and
then
I
did
a
rough
guess
of
what
I
thought
the
budget
impact
was
for
fiscal
21
and
then
what
I'd
for
things
that
are
marked
as
adopted
here?
A
These
are
things
that
we've
already
said
that
we're
going
to
do
on
the
list.
Okay-
and
so
my
my
goal
here-
is
for
us
to
go
through
here,
and
I
think
we
what
we
want
to
do
is
to
see
if
there
are
things
that
we
want
to
send
off
to
the
staff
to
have
to
be
more
fully
developed
as
a
proposal
for
us
to
consider.
Okay
and
so
there's
probably
two
dimensions
to
doing
that.
One
is
just
to
evaluate
the
feasibility
of
it,
and
so
an
example.
A
A
B
A
Can
you
send
it
to
the
printer
and
get
something?
Thank
you
so
much.
Otherwise
I
can
keep.
I
can
keep
cranking
it
up
here
and
see
because
it
you
know
we
don't
need.
I
can
make,
for
example,
because
we
don't
need
a
ton
of
these
showing
at
one
time,
so
I
can
go
filter
as
well
by
the
impact
we
can
right.
Now,
it's
actually
right
now
it's
actually
support
sorted
by
type.
We
could
sort
it
by.
E
A
A
I'll
read
them
I'll,
read
them
as
we
go
and
then
and
then
you
can
go
and
I
think
the
staff
is
going
off
and
printing
it
too.
Hopefully
it
comes
out
big
enough
on
the
printout
that
that
folks
can
read
it
so,
but
I
do
wanna
go
back
and
just
make
sure
that
folks
understand
kind
of
what
we're
doing
here
is
that
that
the
deliverable
here
is
not
picking
among
these.
A
The
deliverable
on
these
is
saying
which
of
these
are
ones
ones,
that
we
want
more
information
on
or
if
we
think
that
it's
not
something
that
we
want
to
be
considered
to
be
able
to
do
that.
The
other
thing
I
just
want
to
point
out
is
some
of
the
items
on
here
are
things
that
would
be
good
things
for
the
city
to
look
at
in
the
long
term,
but
unlikely
to
have
an
impact
on
fiscal
21
and
for
those
items.
A
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
I'd
like
to
send
the
city
manager
off
and
have
the
and
have
him
talk
to
the
city
council
if
they're
interested
in
us
developing
a
list
of
things
like
that,
that
ought
to
be
considered.
Okay
and
we've
had
some
conversations
around
that
before
it's
not
on
our
list
right
now
of
things
that
are
deliverables
and
given
the
list
of
stuff
that
we
have
going
on,
I'm
worried
about
adding
stuff
on
our
own,
but
that
particular
one
because
we've
talked
about
it
a
couple
times.
A
G
A
That's
my
concern.
Okay.
I
think
I
think
the
way
that
this
could
work
is
jamie
could
go
have
that
conversation
and
when
we
get
to
the
point
of
producing
a
list
like
that,
we
can
send
it
to
the
council.
It's
certainly
not
going
to
be
tonight
that
we're
going
to
send
something
like
that.
Other
comments
or
questions.
E
A
Okay,
fancy
printouts
are
arriving.
I
don't
need
one
we'll
start
with
selling
underutilized
assets
and,
if
I
remember
right,
the
kind
of
highland
green
sale
was
the
one
that
was
in
that
particular
one.
So
I
had
ranked
that
as
something
that,
in
large
part,
the
city
could
do
on
its
own.
I
had
said
that
the-
and
this
was
this
was
in
the
context
of
increasing
tax
base
and
that
the
impact
of
selling
property
in
order
to
increase
back
tax
base
for
next
year
is
relatively
low.
C
A
G
F
I
think
when
it
comes
down
to
actually
making
a
recommendation,
that's
the
time
to
have
the
conversation
about
where's
our.
Where
is
our
energy,
and
our
effort
bet
spent
about
to
just
start
the
list.
I
I
think
we
should
at
least
have
more
information
available
for
the
committee
to
think
about,
and
ultimately
the
council.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
my
opinion
on
this.
I
think
that,
given
the
time
that
it
would
take
to
actually
sell
a
golf
course,
it
wouldn't
feed
into
our
our
goal
of
trying
to
find
saws
for
the
next
couple
of
fiscal
years
here,
and
so
I
personally
would
not
be
for
spending
more
energy
and
effort
chasing
this,
because
it
doesn't
exactly
help
us
with
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here
and
it
might
be
a
good
option
long
term,
but
for
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish,
I
wouldn't
be
for
continuing
down
this
path.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair
kind
of
along
with
co-chair
peterson.
I
live
in
that
neighborhood,
so
I
feel,
like
I've
got
a
target
on
my
back
and
I
have
been
wan.
You
know
talking
to
to
residents
and
neighbors
as
I'm
participating
in
this
and
the
first
question
that
comes
up.
You
better
not
be
touching.
Highland
green's
golf
course.
That's
the
first
thing
out
of
their
mouths
and
then
don't
raise
my
property
taxes
is
number
two.
I
guess
my
comment
is
I'm
always
open
to
looking
at
things.
H
H
You
can't
even
get
a
tea
time.
There
were
nine,
some
leagues
where
they
were
couldn't
play
because
there
wasn't
enough
tea
times
or
whatever.
So
I'm
more
of
what
can
we
use
it
as
an
asset
and
make
it
more
sustainable
and
profitable?
But
again,
if
that
means
having
this
as
part
of
a
discussion
further
down
the
road
I'm
open
to
it,.
A
A
Yep,
so
that's
this
when
I
say
future
consideration
here:
that's
the
the
list
that's
going
to
go
to
the
council,
assuming
they
ask,
for
it
would
go
on
that
list.
So
next
up
is
ensure.
Reserves
are
drawn
down
to
the
extent
possible
we'd
already
done
a
pretty
detailed
walkthrough.
Of
that.
I
wonder
if
the
staff
again,
I
think
the
balance
that
we
were
trying
to
style
because
we
didn't
want
to
empty
the
empty
the
cupboard
completely
for
fiscal
22..
A
F
Mr
mr
chair
co-chairs
committee
members,
the
the
primary
reserve,
as
people
think
about,
is
our
general
fund
reserve
that
we
have
as
part
of
our
budget
balancing
strategy
for
this
year,
drawn
down
from
its
current
level
about
40
42
to
about
35
percent
and
that's
what
we're
forecasting
for
21
as
well.
The
the
recommendation
from
the
office
of
state
auditor,
for
what
constitutes
a
reasonable
and
healthy
reserve
for
a
city
is
35
to
50
percent,
so
we're
on
the
lower
end
of
what
the
osa
recommends.
F
The
the
next
concern,
then,
is
how
it's
viewed
by
credit
rating
agencies
I'll
let
the
cfo
opine
on
that,
if
necessary.
The
other
places
where
we
have
reserves
to
johns
point
for
our
internal
service
funds.
There's
a
there's,
a
working
capital
balance
within
each
of
those
funds.
You'll
recall
and
each
of
the
funds
have
a
different,
a
different
formula
for
the
goal
of
the
working
capital
balance.
F
Most
of
those,
at
least
the
ones
that
are
operating
funds
are
related
to
the
capital
reinvestment,
that's
likely
to
occur
over
the
next
10
years,
and
so
the
the
the
balance
in
those
is
tied
to
the
to
the
future
need
formula.
The
other
ones
like
our
our
crude
leave
fund
compensated
absences.
What
it's
called,
there's
a
certain
amount
that
we
just
have
to
keep
in
there,
so
that
we
we
can
borrow
from
it
and
and
when
we
get
into
a
certain
zone.
G
Chairman
neal,
I
appreciate
the
question
that
john
asked.
I
think
that
from
a
perception
standpoint
going
out
to
the
public
when
we
started
hearing
there,
it's
everything
for
them
is
a
loss,
loss
of
service
and
the
loss
of
this,
and
to
not
have
that
reserve
thing
always
on
the
front
burner
is
a
mistake
because
they're
just
that
they're
going
to
gravitate
to
that
discussion,
and
I
think
we
just
owe
it
to
the
public
to
always
have
that
up
there.
Now
we
don't
necessarily
choose.
A
A
A
This
is
effectively
the
kind
of
south
loop
development
fund
and
the
the
kind
of
legislative
restrictions
around
that
I
know
neil
and
I
have
talked
about
it.
We've
talked
about
it,
the
committee,
jamie
or
kari.
Is
there
anything
you
want
to
add
on
this
one?
This
one
has
so
this
one
has
the
problem
that
we
can't
do
it
ourselves,
which
is
what
kind
of
puts
it
in
that
in.
E
A
There
so
do
we
want
to
put
this
on
the
future
impact
list
and
have
put
that
in
the
mix
for
the
council:
okay,
okay,
voluntary
fees
at
creekside-
this
could
be
done
by
the
city
directly.
My
guess
is
that
it
would
have
a
pretty
moderate
impact,
considering
the
size
of
the.
What
we're
doing
this
is
something
we
want
to
put
on
the
list.
C
E
I
Yes,
mr
chair,
I
agree
completely,
you
don't
want
to
just
give
things
for
free
people
has
the
pride
and
a
nominal
price
will
be
great.
However,
I
think
it's
a
low
priority,
we're
looking
here
for
the
bigger
fish,
but
you
know
it's
something
that
we
can.
You
know
it's
a
it's
an
impact,
but
I
think
it's
very
low,
like
you
put
in
there.
F
I
was
just
going
to
add
in
mr
chairs
and
committee
members.
Sometimes
it's
good
to
know
where
the
where
the
idea
came
from
so
this
one
actually
came
from
the
community
focus
group
with
our
senior
program
leaders
at
creekside.
So
this
you
know
people
are
sensitive
to
other
people
making
decisions
for
their
programs
right.
So
this
wasn't
a
different
user
group.
This
actually
was
the
creekside
user
group.
A
Okay,
next
up
line
eight
try
to
get
the
money
from
the
fiscal
disparities
pool.
If
you
want
to
trigger
a
battle
at
the
legislature,
this
is
guaranteed
to
get
a
conversation
going.
I
marked
this
one
as
definitely
not
something
that
we
could
do
unilaterally.
There's
a
bunch
of
money
there,
so
it
you
know
theoretically,
could
have
an
impact
you
know
based
on
the
formula
theoretically,
bloomington
might
receive
more
next
year.
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
meaningful
amount,
but
the
formula
will
cause
some.
A
F
F
we'll
what
we
can
do,
even
even
though
I
agree
with
cochair
peterson
about
the
likelihood
of
this
occurring,
and
I
would
even
add
that
there
are
all
sorts
of
really
terrible
unintended
consequences.
If
we
go
to
the
legislature
and
raise
this
issue
that
what
we
can
do
is
just
have
our
our
staff
that
tracks
the
fd
give
us
a
little
a
number.
So
you
understand
what
the
impact
is
likely
to
be
for
21.
G
Back
in
the
day,
I
was
arguing
fiscal
disparities
vehemently
to
any
audience
I
could
get
and,
of
course,
the
highest
beneficiary
was
richfield,
and
so
here
in
bloomington,
I'm
arguing
against
physical
disparities
and
why
we
had
to
pay
so
much
more
than
minneapolis
and
I
had
to
turn
my
back.
So
the
richfield
people
weren't
giving
me
the
finger,
but
it's
just
been
that
way
forever
and
I
don't
know
how
you
ever
ever
unlodged
that
thing.
A
Okay,
let's
just
go
no
and
go
on
anybody
object
to
that.
No
okay
number
nine
charging
non-profits
for
use
of
athletic
fields.
This
was
something
that
the
staff
talked
about
a
little
bit.
They
talked
about
it
as
being
a
little
bit
problematic
to
implement
for
next
year,
because
budgets
for
certain
things
are
already
set.
A
We've
also
said
that
nothing's
off
the
table-
and
specifically
when
I
went
to
the
council
meeting,
they
pressed
me
more
on
looking
at
the
fee
side
of
things,
and
I
warned
them
that
the
biggest
pot
of
money
out
there
that
we
had
seen
so
far
in
the
feed
department
was
charging.
Was
this
particular
charge?
So
what
are
we
looking
for
here?
Do
we
want
a
proposal.
J
A
E
I
just
would
be
asked
the
commission
to
be
mindful
that
those
will
be
passed
on
to
families
and
if
there
are
families
that
are
challenged
economically,
we
don't
want
to
discourage
some
of
our
younger
youth
from
playing
sports,
whether
it's
lacrosse
soccer
or
whatnot.
So
just
thinking
about,
if
there's
a
way
to
create
some
scholarship
money
for
some
of
the
financially
there's
families
who
are
financially
challenged,
especially
in
this
economic
climate.
But
I
would
I
would
support
putting
it
on
the
table
for
further
investigation.
Okay,.
E
F
To
that,
we'll
certainly
incorporate
that
into
the
proposal,
many
of
our
park
and
recreation
programs-
if
you
remember
from
when
our
director
was
here-
that
we
do
have
scholarship
program
for
a
lot
of
the
city
run
programs.
So
this
is
specifically
for
the
athletic
clubs,
especially
the
youth
athletic
clubs
that
are
not
city
run.
So
we'll
have
to
do
some
thinking
about
how
we
provide
scholarship
opportunity,
since
it's
not
the
city,
that's
actually
programming
their
participation.
F
The
other,
the
other
consideration
here
that
I
want
to
remind
the
committee
and
anybody
who's
watching
at
home.
Is
that
we'll
be
doing
a
racial
equity
assessment
and
and
impact
analysis
for
whatever
list
is
being
generated
and
to
the
extent
that
we
have
demographic
information
available
for
our
user
groups,
we'll
try
to
incorporate
that
in,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we
have
good
demographics
either,
but
I'll
make
sure
that
both
of
those
are
communicated
to
our
staff.
E
B
B
You
know
the
participants
on
their
teams
and
their
leagues
is,
is
probably
worthy
of
of
taking
a
look
at,
but
they're,
probably
the
ones
that
are
in
the
best
position
to
address
whether
there's
a
scholarship
for
an
individual
athlete
or
not.
I
know
we
look
at
this
in
the
park
district
a
bit
and
we
see
we've.
B
We've
got
a
mechanism
in
place
for
for
scholarships
for
participants
in
the
park.
District
programs
and
we've
actually
found
it's
very
easy
to
raise,
not
very
easy,
but
it's
easy
enough
to
raise
private
money
for
that
scholarship
fund
and
then,
as
it
relates,
though,
to
the
the
renting
group.
If
you
will
we've
kind
of
stayed
out
of
that
business
and
I've
been
pleasantly
surprised
to
see
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
an
issue
because
they
they've
already
confronted
that
issue.
I
think
frequently
in
in
scholarshiping
some
families
and
the
like.
B
I
don't
know
if
that'll
be
our
experience.
I
wanted
to
minimize
the
issue,
but
I
think
there's
two
aspects
to
it
and
maybe
from
a
city's
perspective,
it
might
look
at
it
that
the
league
or
the
teams
are
in
the
best
position
to
to
assess
the
economic
circumstances
piece
and
maybe,
when
we're
looking
at
our
our
facilities
and
the
taxpayers,
maybe
that
that
might
not
be
our
role
quite
as
much.
B
A
I
think
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
interesting
policy
questions
in
developing
a
proposal
around
this
and
I
think
you're
you're,
providing
us
with
a
lot
of
good
context
on
kind
of
what
would
go
into
that.
But
I
don't
think
it
would
be
our
job
to
go
develop
that
our
job
would
be
to
say.
You
know
we
want
we.
We
think
that
that
ought
to
be
done
anything
more
on
that
before
I
move
on
to
the
next
one
here:
okay,
we're
now
on
line
10,
which
is
negotiate
contribution
from
county
toward
public
health
department.
A
F
I
will
say
that
on
the
first
on
number,
10
we've
had
conversations
with
the
county
about
that
we
did
not
receive
a
warm
reception
to
that
idea.
On
the
second
one,
we've
had
very
preliminary
conversation
about.
You
know
what
it
would
potentially
mean
to
the
county
and
their
service
center.
If
the
bloomington
office
were
to
be
closed
and
and
the
likelihood
that
it
would
push
a
significant
amount
of
traffic
in
that
direction,
where
they
already
have
really
long
lines
already
and
they're
they're
not
enthused
about
that.
A
G
G
G
What
we
never
did
here
was
the
number
of
people
in
bloomington
who
are
serviced
by
we
never
got
into
that
level.
But
from
my
understanding
it
is
quite
significant.
So
we
really
need
to
be
very,
very
careful
with
this
and
we
don't
eat
our
seed
corn
by
thinking
we're
going
to
lop
this
off,
because
it's
about
money
rather
than
all
the
people
who
are
served
in
the
least
and
the
last
and
the
lost.
F
The
the
thought
with
item
10
is
related
to
the
the
situation
regarding
what
some
would
refer
to
as
double
taxation,
in
that
the
county
provides
public
health
and
the
city
of
bloomington
provides
public
health
and
for
the
most
part,
the
county
is
not
serving
the
bloomington
residents,
because
we
have
our
own
local
public
health
and
they're
providing
some
service.
But
there
isn't.
F
There
is
an
overlap
of
service,
they're
they're,
providing
some
other
services,
but
not
significantly,
and
the
concern
here
is
that
bloomington
taxpayers
have
to
contribute
towards
the
county
for
county
public
health
services
that
they're
not
receiving
right
and
and
the
counties
position
on
this
is
that
there
are
other
services
that
are
like
that,
so
think
about
hennepin,
county
dispatch
or
hennepin
county
sheriff's
office,
where
we
have
our
own
police
department.
We
have
our
own
dispatch
center
here.
Right
that
we
choose
to
do
those
things
locally
doesn't
mean
that
the
city
should
be
exempted.
F
We
have
a
different
view
and
we're
not
trying
to
crack
the
door
open
on
those
other
services,
but
for
this
one
there's,
you
know
there's
some
statutory
language
that
I'd
say
makes
this
a
murky
issue.
And
so,
as
we
talk
about
the
developing
the
proposal,
it's
not
necessarily
that
we're
going
to
ask
the
county
for
a
direct
allocation,
although
that
would
be
great,
but
it
probably
has
to
do
more
with
some
sort
of
a
a
property
tax
variation
to
reflect.
The
fact
that
we
have
a
local
service.
F
B
But
I'm
I'm
suggesting
that
in
eden,
prairie
that
same
public
health
need
gets
served
via
the
county
and
the
eden.
Prairie
hennepin
county
property
taxes
address
that
in
bloomington
that
public
health
need
more
likely
than
that
gets
gets
met
by
bloomington
public
health,
and
we
really
do
find
that
bloomington
taxpayers
paying
for
that
eden,
prairie
public
health
to
some
degree,
as
well
as
the
bloomington
public
health,
and
I
think
that
that's
one
that
we
might
address
a
number
of
ways.
B
So
I
think
it
just
gets
down
to
this
question
of
how
do
we
deliver
great
services
as
a
broader
community
in
in
a
in
a
efficient
way,
and
it
may
well
be
that
we
need
not
have
two
different
agencies
that
we're
paying
to
do
that.
One
task
and
do
I
think
that
hennepin
county
currently
does
it
as
well
as
bloomington?
B
So
I
I
feel,
like
it's
a
legitimate
exploration,
whether
it's,
whether
the
task
is
to
start
from
the
perspective
of
exploring
what
it
would
be
if,
if
we
didn't
do
bloomington
public
health
or
whether
it's
an
approach
to
bringing
some
rationality
and-
and
you
know,
efficiency
to
the
payment
and
the
delivery
pretty
open
to
that,
whether
it's
realistic
to
get
done
in
this
2021
budget
situation,
I'm
perfectly
content
to
acknowledge.
That's
a
that's
a
big
mountain
to
climb
fast.
B
A
G
A
Yeah
yeah,
okay
moving
on
then
there
was
another
suggestion.
Citizen
volunteers
take
care
of
parks.
I
had
said
we
could
decide
to
do
this.
You
know
when
I
was
on
the
council.
It
was
amy
grady
who
was
pushing
for
the
kind
of
volunteer
warming
housekeepers
and
I
think
that's
that's
done
something
to
keep
warming
houses
open.
It
hasn't.
I
wouldn't
say
it
has
had
a
gigantic
fiscal
impact,
but
I
think
having
that
around
has
kept
some
things
going.
That
haven't.
Is
this
an
area
where
we
want
to
develop
something.
A
I
Several
of
my
neighbors
came
up
and
said
you
know
what
there
is
a
lot
of
unemployment
right
now.
I
think
it's
something
that
people
could
be
feel
helpful
to
volunteer
to
keep
the
winter
maintenance
or
do
something
for
the
city.
So
I
I
would
like
to
to
develop
a
proposal
and
see
what
what
we
can
save
on
those
maintaining
slow
maintenance
that
people
get
engaged
and
and
work
on
that.
A
A
J
J
A
J
I
E
E
You
know
whether
it's
combining
resources
within
departments
merging
some
departments
that
are
small
and
overlap
with
other
departments
together
to
be
included
with
this
as
well,
because
to
me
like
an
across
the
board,
employee
salary
cut
would
be
fair,
but
it
feels
very
a
little
short
short
term.
So
if
we
want
to
continue
having
that
strength
and
continue
delivering
the
same
level
of
resources,
kind
of
looking
at
other
kind
of
restructuring
of
departments
might
be
something
to
be
included
in
this.
A
If
you
look
at
the
how
the
impact
of
the
recession
related,
the
pandemic
has
fallen
on
people,
it
definitely
there's
definitely
job
categories
where
you
really
can't
tell
that,
there's
been
any
impact
and
there's
others
where
it's
fallen
quite
heavily
and
that
necessarily
enters
into
the
wages
that
you
have
to
pay
in
each
of
those
areas
to
be
competitive.
I
think
that
the
staff
understands
that
we
need
to
be
paying
competitive
wages
and
that
there
may
be
some
categories
where
that
means
a
different
wage
than
we
paid
before.
A
But
my
my
approach
on
this
has
been
that
I
think
the
most
impact
that
we're
going
to
make
here
is
not
necessarily
going
to
be
in
this
area,
but
deciding
to
stop
doing
things
or
changing
the
way
that
things
are
done
and
that
that
requires
fewer
people
to
do.
It
has
been
the
approach
that
I've
been
pushing
on,
so
I
have
personally
I've
been
this.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
you
know
I
I
agree
to
a
certain
point.
However,
in
the
private
sector,
salaries
are
being
cut
and
reduced
across
the
board
and
it's
just
part
of
the
cost
of
doing
business
in
the
private
sector,
and
you
know,
hopefully
those
salaries
will
be
restored
and
ours
will
be
restored,
but
because
of
what
we're
going
through,
there's
just
a
lot
of
unknowns,
so
the
private
sector,
you
know,
has
had
to
take
these
very
painful
steps
across
the
where
I
struggle
with
this
chair.
H
Peterson
is
across
the
board.
I
mean
I
recognize,
we
have
union
contracts
and
we
have
to
abide
by
those
contracts.
So
maybe
it's
not
necessarily
across
the
board
cuts.
But
you
know:
where
are
those
cost
savings
or
where
those
potential
salary
cuts
could
be?
I
mean
again,
I
don't
want
to
say
that
I
don't
put
value
on
our
public
servants.
I
do,
but
I
also
am
looking
at
it
from
the
private
sector
side
and
when
I
see
the
private
sector
implementing
cuts.
H
A
G
G
How
do
you
cut
this
thing?
If
you
don't
deal
with
that
number
and
that
responsibility
we
can
recommend
we
want,
but
that
responsibility
sits
up
there
on
the
dice
with
the
city
manager
and
at
some
point,
that's
they're,
probably
going
to
have
to
come
down
to
that
as
sorry
as
I
am,
but
that's
the
reality.
E
B
Mr
chair,
the
concept
I'm
comfortable
with
are
payroll
cuts.
I
wouldn't
be
comfortable
with
across
the
board
salary
cuts.
I
think
this
is
one
of
those
great
opportunities
for
management
and
to
look
at
where
technology
you
know
has
brought
us
and
and
maybe
just
one
more
re-examination
of
how
we're
performing
relative
to
priorities,
and
so
I
I
think
we
are
gonna.
I
think
neil's
right.
We
can't
get
there
without
some
overall
cut
in
some
payroll,
but
I
don't
think
it
should
be
salary
cuts
across
the
board.
A
So
I
put
another-
I
just
put
another
line
on
here
to
try
to
represent
what
I'm
hearing
from
some
folks
anyways
about
that
we're
looking
for
something
that's
a
little
bit
more
targeted
than
an
across-the-board
kind
of
situation
and
to
see
if
I
could
kind
of
craft
some
languages
a
little
bit
more
kind
of
reflecting
what
people
were
were
saying.
So
what
I
said
was
evaluate
salaries
to
determine
whether
targeted
salary
adjustments
that
could
be
made.
A
F
Yeah,
mr
co-chairs
and
committee
members,
I
I
think
that
this
language,
if
the
committee
wanted
us
to
develop
a
proposal,
gives
us
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
in
how
we
do
it.
The
the
one
comment
I
wanted
to
make
to
the
conversation
that's
occurred
to
marines
comment
about
all
the
cities
are
in
this
situation.
F
A
E
A
That's
the
right
workforce
size-wise
for
the
city,
but
also
in
terms
of
the
right
people,
so
that
we
can
continue
to
be
a
desirable
place
to
work,
because
I
think
that
that's
historically
been
the
strategy
at
the
city
from
a
hiring
perspective,
and
I
think
the
results
kind
of
show
that
hiring
good
people
has
been
a
has.
It
has
been
a
strong
policy
for
the
city.
A
What
I
don't
want
to
do
is
I
don't
want
to
come
out
of
this,
where
we're
5
or
10
below
other
cities,
and
when
we
start
looking
at
the
hiring
pipeline,
we're
looking
at
people
who
come
to
us
because
they
don't
have
another
choice.
That's
a
really
hard
position
to
operate
from
and
leads
leads
to
a
bad
place
in
the
long
run.
No
one
will
no
one
will
be
able
to
tell
if
that
happens,
while
we're
on
the
committee
doing
stuff,
but
five
or
ten
years
from
now,
we
wouldn't
like
the
result
of
it.
A
F
A
I
I
F
Sure
mr
co-chairs
committee
members
jessica,
the
this
is
a
comment
that
we've
heard
quite
a
bit
over
the
last
couple
years
is:
there's
a
there's,
a
misconception
that
the
city
is
leading
the
project
on
the
the
paved
trail
through
the
minnesota
river
valley
and
and
that
we're
going
to
be
maintaining
it
and
both
of
those
are
are
incorrect.
The
state
legislature
allocated
the
funds
for
that
project
and
the
dnr
will
be
responsible
for
the
maintenance
of
the
of
the
trail
itself.
F
We
do
not
have,
in
our
capital
improvement
plan,
any
any
investment
related
to
the
paved
trail
at
this
time
any
so
there.
The
the
segment
that's
being
completed
right
now
still
leaves
a
pretty
significant
chunk.
That
is
unpaved,
and
it
will
be
up
to
the
legislature
if
they
want
to
allocate
additional
funds
to
do
that.
A
B
Going
back
to
lori
the
question
that
lori
answered
relative
to
the
projects,
I'm
I'm
reading,
I
don't
know
whose
suggestion
this
was
exactly
but
reading
this
and
wondering
if
this
is
a
notion,
though
that
goes
beyond
the
cip,
I'm
wondering
if
it's
talking
about
projects
that
we
think
of
as
capital
in
nature,
perhaps
that
might
not
be
in
in
the
cip
itself,
but
might
be
embedded
in
some
of
these
departmental
budgets
or
or
the
like.
I
mean.
Is
there
anything
like
that?
J
J
C
C
A
Okay
on
this
one,
it
seems
like
this
is
accounted
for,
so
I'm
going
to
mark
that
as
a
what
did
I,
how
did
I
tag
that
before
considered
considered?
We
considered
it
there?
We
go
everybody
okay,
at
that,
okay,
next
up
was-
and
this
was
I
split
one
thing
at
the
two:
it
was
the
performing
arts
budget
and
then
the
creative
place,
making
budget.
F
Yes,
sorry,
I
was
just
pondering
for
a
moment.
They
are
with.
The
only
notation
I'd
make
here
is
that
the
creative
place
making
budget
is
actually
not
utilizing
property
taxpayer
dollars,
it's
funded
through
the
south
loop
development
fund,
so
the
activity
that
occurs
there
won't
be
influenced
by
any
of
the
decisions
that
we're
making
regarding
the
general
fund.
A
C
H
H
I
I
think
this
is
something
we
have
to
take
into
consideration
and
see
where
there
is.
If
any
cost
savings
you
know
the
community.
The
programs
that
are
done
here
can
can
community
ed.
Can
the
school
district
take
over?
Some
of
that
to
you
know,
lessen
the
burden,
so
I
I
would
really
encourage
us
to
have
this
be
considered
and
just
see
where
things
could
come.
H
F
Co-Chairs
and
committee
members,
the
the
easy
number
to
say,
is
that
for
the
support
of
the
arts
organizations
that
utilize
the
center
for
the
arts,
we
have
180
thousand
dollars
give
or
take
in
the
park
and
recreation
department,
that
is,
for
cultural
arts
grants.
That's
an
annual
process
that
the
arts
organizations
submit
requests
for
funding.
F
F
F
One
last
note,
as
john
gibbs
is
on
the
board
for
artistry
and
I'm
an
ex-officio
member
to
board
to
the
board.
We
did
have
a
meeting
last
night
and
I
did
forecast
to
them
that
everything's
on
the
table
and
so
to
the
point
that
marine
made
it's
it's
not
a
surprise
to
the
arts
organizations
that
these
items
are
being
discussed.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chan.
I
I
was
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
introduce
that
that
concept
it
was,
and
it
was
well
received
that
everything
was
on
the
table
and-
and
I
reported
that
I
had
this
general
sense
that
that
we
have
a
city,
council
and
a
group
of
people
here
that
are
are
pretty
respectful
and
supportive
of
those
enterprises
and
that
there
was
there
was
a
reality
that
that
everybody
needed
to
stare
down,
and
I
think
that
was
pretty
well
well
received.
B
C
A
J
A
There's,
I
think,
there's
an
impression
in
the
community
by
some
people
that
we
have
a
lot
of
vehicles,
so
I
think
kind
of
making
sure
that
we're
answering
that
question
and
seeing
if
there
are
opportunities
to
save
here
at
the
same
time,
you
don't
want
to
make
decisions
that
are
pennywise
and
pound
foolish
and
equipment
too.
So
jamie.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
that
sure.
F
Part
of
the
well
one
of
the
outcomes
of
the
assessment,
was
that
they're
going
to
be
reducing
the
the
number
of
vehicles
in
the
fleet.
We
had
quite
a
few
vehicles
and
what
we
refer
to
as
a
shadow
fleet
that
we
have
vehicles
that
that
outlive
their
usefulness
in
one
department,
but
they
don't
ever
go
away
because
they
tend
to
get
recycled
right
and
so
we're
going
to
draw
the
that
down.
Having
said
that,
I
don't
I
don't
know
that.
F
There's
a
downside
in
saying:
go
back
and
review
the
fleet
and
see
if
there
are
additional
reductions
that
may
coincide
with
other
other
programs
that
we're
considering,
because
the
fleet
assessment
was
done
based
on
the
operations
as
they
were
being
conducted
last
year
and
at
the
beginning
of
this
year,
and
if
there
are
going
to
be
other
changes
in
the
budget.
If
there's
a
connection
back
to
our
our
fleet
services,
we'll
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
considered.
B
John,
mr,
I
think
that's
exactly
right.
I
I'm
the
I'll
confess,
I'm
the
one
that
put
that
on
the
list,
and
I
took
it
out
of
my
notes
from
from
the
fleet,
manager's
presentation
and
I
may
have
misunderstood,
but
I
had
the
real
impression
that
he
was
suggesting
I'm
not
sure
he
was
recommending,
but
he
was
suggesting
that
by
taking
a
look
at
that
fleet
and
some
of
the-
I
guess
it's
redundant
season,
that
was
my
word
not
his.
B
B
C
J
Jamie
just
a
question:
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
like
regulations
around
or
if
we
get
any
federal
money
for,
like
maybe
operating
our
police
department
or
the
fire
department
and
in
the
formula
the
funding
formula
say
you
have
to
have
like
a
spare
ratio
or
not
so
like.
Maybe
you
have
50
fleets
of
or
15
fleet
like
fire
trucks
or
place
vehicles,
and
you
need
to
have
an
excess
of
like
10.
Just
in
case
something
happens.
Is
that
required
for
the
city
at
all
in
any
of
our.
F
J
A
A
A
F
Mr
co-chairs
committee
members,
I
think
the
answer
is
yes,
that
we
can
do
it
unilaterally.
I
think
the
question
is:
if
we
have
any
obligations
through
our
federal
or
state
grants
that
we
receive
or
any
of
the
contracts
that
we
have
in
place,
if
we
could
terminate
our
activity
in
a
short
period
of
time
here
within
the
contract
terms
associated
with
those
those
grants
and
agreements,
that's
a
question:
we'd
have
to
explore.
F
The
the
county
would
be
required
to
provide
public
health
service
if
we're
not
requiring
it.
The
question
is
whether
they
would
do
it
at
the
same
level.
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
no,
because
that's
one
of
the
benefits
of
having
a
local
public
health
department
as
we
provide
it
at
a
I
think,
at
a
more
intimate
and
higher
level
of
access,
but
to
your
question
specifically,
I
think
we
can
do
it.
A
I
I
G
One
of
the
things
I
understand
is
that
they
administer
the
wicca
program,
which
is
women
and
infant.
It's
the
feeding
program,
it's
a
huge
problem,
it's
federal
funded-
and
I
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
turn
our
bloomington
residents
away
from
access
to
that
and
send
it
down
to
hennepin
county
minneapolis.
Doesn't
minneapolis
has
their
own
because
they
don't
want
to
deal
with
the
county
either.
G
E
In
the
middle
of
a
pandemic,
it
would
be
very
unwise
and
I
would
be
adamantly
opposed
to
eliminating
the
public
health
department,
my
experiences
working
with
them
in
my
day
job.
I
was
incredibly
impressed
and
I
just
think
at
this
point
this
would
be
one
of
the
last
things
we'd
want
to
do.
That's
my
my
personal
view,
and
I
just
want
to
share
that
with
the
community.
B
Okay,
john,
my
proposal
would
be
that
we
explore
whether
there's
any
wisdom
in
eliminating
the
city
of
bloomington
public
health
department,
not
the
elimination
of
the
public
health
department.
Right
now
we
have
two,
but
one
doesn't
need
to
operate
and
serve
materially
bloomington
residents,
but
we're
paying
for
it,
and
we
have
the
one
that
bloomington
residents
are
paying
for.
B
That
is
used
and
I'd
be
the
last
person
to
suggest
we
don't
want
to
have
public
health,
irrespective
of
whether
it's
a
pandemic
or
not
a
pandemic,
certainly
be
the
second
to
the
last
person
to
say
that
we
shouldn't
have
the
the
program
that
neil
cites.
He
was
the
first
one,
but
I'd
say
the
same
thing,
but
I
do
think
it's
probably
available
in
eden,
prairie
and
they
don't
have
the
prairie
public
health
department.
B
A
Moving
on
item
number
20
was
moved
to
mostly
part-time
staff
and
motor
vehicle
to
reduce
head
costs.
This
is
one
that
I
had
suggested
previously
and
it's
primarily
around
trying
to
see
if
we
could
figure
out
how
to
convert
the
motor
vehicle
into
a
kind
of
a
more
viable
business.
That's
on
a
different
cost
trajectory.
E
I
would
have
serious
concerns
about
sort
of
the
morale
impact
and
the
ability
we
likely
would
lose
our
full-time
employees.
I
don't
think
they're
just
going
to
happily
accept
part-time
work,
our
ability
to
go
out
and
hire
and
train,
so
our
revenues
will
go
down
while
we
go
through
that
type
of
transition,
because
we'll
just
have
less
service
counters
open
and
when
we
don't
have
service
counters,
open,
we're,
not
doing
transactions
and
we're
not
doing
transactions,
we
aren't
bringing
in
money.
So
I
guess
my
caution
of
the
committee.
E
E
C
They're
not
long-term,
but
their
training
is
every
bit
is
the
same
as
full-time
because
of
all
the
different
transactions.
They
have
to
be
familiar
with
the
training
it
takes
for
them
to
be
independent
workers,
so
making
the
whole
staff
part-time
to
me
seems
like
not
a
budget
savings.
It
seems
like
a
step
backwards.
C
I
don't,
I
don't
think
we
would
get
what
we
would
hope
for.
I
think
this
is
one
of
those
areas
where
there's
a
lot
of
training,
a
lot
of.
If
you've
ever
been
in
there
and
watched
the
multitude
of
things
that
people
are
asked
and
the
things
they
have
to
deal
with
and
the
places
they
have
to
check
just
to
do
a
simple
transaction.
It's
it's
a
challenging
job,
so
I'd
be
very
reluctant
to
move
to
part-time
for
the
motor
vehicle.
A
E
Yeah,
I
would
agree
with
no.
This
to
me
seems
more
like
the
next
step
before
we
get
to
line
item
21
right,
so
you
know
it's
kind
of
moving
towards
that
direction.
If
we
go
towards,
if
we
did
do
it
part
time,
so
why
not
just
start
considering
what
line
item
21
would
be
instead
of
taking
this
extra
step.
Okay,.
A
H
H
E
G
A
A
F
F
A
F
Yeah,
I
would,
I
would
agree
with
that,
because
we've
already
even
before
the
committee
was
impaneled,
we
had
a
fair
amount
of
discussion
about
this.
You'll
recall
that
maybe
you
won't
recall
if
you
weren't
aware
that
staff
had
made
a
recommendation
back
in
may
when
we
were
looking
at
reductions
in
in
our
service
profile
at
that
time,
and
it
did
include
motor
vehicle
and
the
the
council
specifically
said.
We
want
to
wait
until
the
committee
gets
through
their
evaluation
of
options
before
we
make
a
decision
like
that.
A
A
F
F
But
that
is
certainly
information
that
we
could
gather.
We'd
have
to
probably
do
some
comparison
with
our
case
load
and
other
agencies
of
our
size
and
see
if
they
have
contracted
service.
What
it
looks
like
the
the
I
think,
finding
the
comparison
to
do
that
without
actually
going
out
with
maybe
an
rfq
or
an
rfp,
is
going
to
be
difficult,
because
we
just
have
a
much
higher
caseload
than
every
other
suburb.
F
F
If,
if
the
committee
is
interested
in
this,
why
don't
you
you
know
say,
develop
a
proposal?
We
can
go
back
and
have
some
conversation
with
our
legal
staff
about
it
and
try
and
figure
out
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
do
that
cost
comparison
and
bring
that
information
back
before
you
make
a
decision,
whether
you
want
to
go
any
further.
A
Yeah,
so
would
people
be
okay
if
I
took
this
one
and
reworded
it
to
say
along
the
lines
of
what
the
managers
had,
which
is
to
analyze
workloads
against
other
cities
bidding
and
see?
If
we
see,
if
there's
an
opportunity,
it
looks
like
there's
an
opportunity
to
save
to
gonna,
go
to
that
next
step,
you'll.
Okay,
with
that.
B
Okay,
yeah,
I'm
I'm
okay
with
it.
I
would
just
say
that
that's
another
step
and
that
will
slow
that
will
make
it
less
likely
that
the
city
would
be
able
to
execute
against
this,
certainly
by
the
beginning
of
of
2021,
and
that
might
be
fine,
and
would
you
probably
make
it
unlikely
that,
even
if
there
was
material
savings,
you
know
and
and
30
percent
would
be
very
material,
you
know
the
the
more
of
those
steps
we
do
before
we
you
go
into
the
marketplace
with
a
request
for
proposal
this.
B
B
Do
this
all
the
time
an
rfp
probably
require
sharper
pencils
that
might
take
a
little
bit
longer
and
I'm
not
even
sure,
we'd
find
those
savings,
but
but
I
think
it
might
be
worth
as
the
city
attorney
mentioned.
You
know
we
haven't
gone
out
with
an
rfp
to
see
what
that
marketplace
would
be
for
for
misdemeanor
prosecutions
along
the
level
that
bloomington
has.
A
Yeah,
well,
I
think
that
the
sense
that
I
have
from
my
experience
is
that
there's
there's
pretty
much
going
to
be
a
going
rate
for
this
sort
of
work,
that
the
manager
and
the
staff
will
be
able
to
easily
determine
by
pulling
other
cities
in
similar
situations
and
so,
from
a
rate
perspective
we'll
be
able
to
to
analyze
that.
I
think
the
the
other
thing.
I'd
like
a
little
bit
of
analysis
on
is:
is
there?
A
Are
there
fixed
costs
that
we
could
spread
over
a
larger
workload
by
taking
on
by
bidding
with
other
cities
and
taking
on
this
workload
from
other
cities?
And
that's
the
way
we
achieve
the
cost
savings
not
by
shifting
the
work
out,
but
by
taking
fixed
costs
and
spreading
them
over
a
large
amount,
larger
amount
of
workload,
because
I
know
you
had
to
do
a
bunch
of
investment
related
to
automation
to
make
the
courthouse
move
work.
A
F
So
we
could
certainly
change
the
you
know
the
the
nature
of
the
department,
I'm
just
not
sure
about
the
well.
I
know
for
the
lower
expense,
I
don't
think
lower
expense
is
likely
to
be
achieved
because
the
staffing
model
for
a
full-time
department
is
likely
to
be
greater
than
the
staffing
model
for
our
current
paid
on
call.
A
F
A
A
Okay,
next
up
is
examining
consolidation
of
dispatch
operations
with
surrounding
communities,
and
we
heard
in
the
presentation
that
the
we
operate.
Our
own
police
dispatching
facility
inside
here
and
one
potential
opportunity
for
savings,
would
be
to
look
at
some
sort
of
consolidated
operation.
Jamie.
Do
you
have
any
kind
of
thoughts
on
that
one
in
terms
of
providing
more
color
on
that
before
we
talk
about
it.
F
The
transition
away
from
having
our
own
dispatch
operation
will
likely
take
time.
If
you
know
we
have,
we
would
have
a
process
to
work
through
to
determine
who
would
assume
the
dispatching
duties
if
we
were
to
abandon
our
own
dispatch
there,
the
the
others,
the
other
agencies
that
provide
dispatch,
hennepin
county,
the
city
of
edina,
which
is
also
providing
dispatch
service
for
richfield
eden
prairie,
has
their
own
dispatch.
F
B
I
would
just
say
that
in
unless
we're,
unless
we've
got
an
impending
big
technological
investment,
that
has
to
be
made,
it
just
doesn't
seem
to
me
like
this
is
one
to
tackle
when
we're
when
we're
so
focused
on.
You
know
tangible
things
in
the
next
year
or
two.
Unless
I
miss
something
I
I
just
it
sounds.
A
B
A
F
I
I
think
it
that's,
not
a
question
I
can
answer
right
now,
because
we'd
have
to
go
through
a
process.
If,
if
we
were
just
to
ask
another
agency
to
take
on
our
dispatch
service
figuring
out
which
agency
that
was
going
to
be
because
we
have
a
number
of
neighboring
agencies
and
then
if
you
were
to
talk
about
a
consolidation,
that's
a
different
conversation
too.
So
so
one
is
like
abandoning
and
asking
somebody
else
to
do
our
service.
For
us,
a
consolidation
is
actually
throwing
in.
G
A
But
I
think
you
know
at
least
at
least
based
on
what
I
know
about
this.
I
think
I'd
if
I
was,
if
you
asked
me
my
personal
opinion,
not
knowing
what
I
knew
back
then,
but
not
knowing
about
the
situation
now
that,
if,
if
you
were
going
to
do
this,
you
would
try
and
do
it
with
our
neighbors,
not
with
the
county.
C
A
F
Co-Chairs
committee
members
john,
I
don't
think
that
I
can
isolate
that
number,
because
the
county
doesn't
isolate
dispatch
in
their
overall
tax.
I
think
if
they
do
a
if
they
do
a
something
similar
to
what
bloomington
does
where
we
look
at
our
services
and
then
divide
out
how
that
is
as
a
percentage
of
our
overall
operation,
you
know.
Sometimes
we
look
and
say:
okay,
so
fire
costs
two
dollars
a
month
for
the
for
the
average
taxpayer
or
whatever,
if
the
county
does
something
similar
to
that,
we
can
back
into
that
number.
C
A
A
First,
one
was
there
was
a
suggestion
to
diversify
income
sources
to
not
rely
so
much
on
the
hospitality
industry.
I
think
the
at
least
from
my
tenure
on
the
council-
and
I
suspect
it
was
the
same
for
neil
as
that
was
always
a
goal
to
have
diverse
revenue
sources
and
in
good
times
other
cities
would
have
considered
more
hospitality
as
the
epitome
of
diversity
in
your
in
your
tax
base.
Thoughts
on
that.
A
G
A
F
And
what
a
great
thing
that
was
until
this
year,
when
the
diversity
of
our
revenues
is
the
thing
that's
really
killing
us,
so
I
I
think
the
opportunity
that's
here,
if
I
can
just
freeform
for
a
minute,
is
again
trying
to
identify
potential
state,
federal
and
foundation
funding
for
things
that
maybe
we
are
not
tapping
into
to
the
extent
possible.
I
mean,
if
there's
a
if
there's
a
revenue
source
to
be.
I
identified
that
we
are
not
using
right
now.
F
I
think
that's
the
primary
place,
you
know
another
another
one
that
might
come
on
this
list
would
be
a
local
option:
sales
tax,
which
we've
had
some
discussion
of
off
and
on
over
the
last
couple
years
at
the
council
level,
as
we've
seen
other
cities
around
the
state
of
minnesota
get
legislative
approval
for
alleged
for
a
local
option
sales
tax.
We
did
some
homework
on
that
item
earlier
this
year
and
lori.
F
You
might
have
to
refresh
my
memory
here,
but
the
you
know
the
who
pays
in
a
local
option
sales
tax,
because
we
have
so
much
activity
that
occurs
from
outside
of
our
community-
is
that
bloomington
residents
would
only
bear
about
26
percent.
Is
that
the
number
26
or
28
percent
of
that
local
option
sales
tax?
Just
because
of
the
diversity
of
the
economy?
Here,
26
yeah.
A
A
A
A
E
A
A
F
A
J
J
The
note
said
that
a
targeted
salary
review
to
determine
where
we
can
make
cuts,
but
I
guess
I
need
clarification
of
what
we
mean
by
a
targeted
salary
review,
because
if
we
were
to
make
cuts
anywhere,
it
wouldn't
just
be
like.
Oh,
this
person
makes
a
hundred
thousand.
This
person
makes
six
thousand
it's.
This
position
within
this
department
doesn't
make
sense
because
we're
trying
to
consolidate
or
something
so,
I
guess
from
our
point
like
I
think
it
was
like
number
10
or
something
about
the
salary
cuts.
E
A
A
If,
if,
if
less
salary
is,
is
necessary,
you
don't
want
to
undercut
in
some
areas
and
overcut
and
end
up
having
a
situation
where
you
know
for
particular
specialties
you're,
not
paying
the
market
rate
for
things.
So
I
think
our
goal
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
trued
up
to
the
market
rate
on
salaries
wherever
that
ends
up
landing,
but
I
think
on
the
staff
reduction-
we're!
A
That's
that's
completely
in
the
scope
of
what
we're
doing
it's
just
we're,
not
we're
not
talking
about
a
staff
reduction
number
as
the
number
for
a
target,
we're
setting
budget
goals,
and
then
the
staff
reduction
comes
out
wherever
it
comes
out
on.
That
is
that
consistent
with
what
people
are
thinking?
A
A
When
I,
when
I
started
on
the
planning
commission
in
1996
and
hotels,
came
along,
then
we
I
remember
marveling
at
hotels
and
neil
remembers
this-
that
hotels
would
come
along
and
we
would
marvel
at
these
hotels
and
it's
like
who's
going
to
stay
in
these
hotels.
There's
got
to
be
a
limit
to
the
number
of
hotels
and
as
the
economy's
grown,
if
they're
in
the
staff
presented
data
that
that
there's
certainly
support
for
that
now.
A
F
I'll
make
an
observation
and
then
certainly
be
interested
in
what
the
committee
has
to
say
your
unilateral
category.
There
of
maybe
I
think,
the
the
difficulty
here
comes
down
to
our
land
use
and
zoning
approvals.
If
somebody
were
to
come
in
with
an
application
to
build
a
hotel
in
a
district
where
that
was
an
allowable
use,
we
would
be
really
hard-pressed
to
say
no
without
getting
sued.
So
there
is
a
limit
to
whether
we
can
restrict
a
certain
type
of
business
from
coming
into
the
community.
A
C
E
C
J
I
agree
sorry,
but
was
this
regarding
maybe
if
hotels
or
developers
get
any
special
concessions
for
coming
to
the
city
or
just
generally,
because
why
would
we
prevent
somebody
from
coming?
I
mean
we
probably
couldn't
legally
jamie
said
and
the
market
determines
it.
So
is
this
saying,
oh
in
order
for
us
to
solicit
your
business,
we'll
give
you
some
type
of
concession
what
this
question's
about
or
generally.
A
H
You
know,
throwing
up
another
extended,
stay
property
or
limited
service.
The
market's
been
flooded
with
those
frankly,
and
I
just
don't
see
that,
like
somebody
said
the
market's
going
to
dictate.
So
it's
not
that
I
don't
want
hotels.
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
let's
be
more
creative
with
the
developers
to
make
it
more
useful
for
us
if
we're
going
to
go
into
because
look
where
we
are
it's
because
we
diversified
into
hotels.
Here
we
are
so
it's
that
balance
yeah.
A
I
Well,
I
think
maureen
said
what
I
was
thinking.
We
need
to
balance
and
then,
if
hotels
bring
the
revenue,
you
know
it
is
something
that
we
need
to
consider.
They
are
the
ones
that
are
investing,
they
are
bringing
the
revenue
and
if
the
market
people
are
staying
there,
well
that
that's
that's
fine,
but
at
the
same
token
I'm
thinking
that
should
be
something
related
to
you
know
the
city,
how
how
the
city
is
gonna
hold
more.
I
lost
my
train
of
thought
now,
so
I'm
okay
with
them.
A
So
I'm
gonna-
I'm
gonna,
put
this
one
on
the
no
list,
because
it's
really
pretty
clearly
not
in
our
on
a
nash
goal.
Okay,
so
we
kind
of
work
through
there.
What
I
wanna
do
is
I
wanna
take
a
five-minute
break
and
then
what
we're
going
to
do
is
to
see
if
there's
any
final
ideas
that
we
want
to
put
on
the
list
and
then,
after
that
we
will
go
and
talk
about
the
budget
scenarios.
A
E
E
H
H
H
A
A
A
I
suspect
that
in
that
we'll
we'll
get
to
the
point
probably
next
week,
where
we'll
it'll
have
to
be
a
really
good
idea
to
get
put
on
the
list
to
be
developed
because
it
we're
going
to
start
getting
down
the
road
of
making
decisions,
and
if
you
come
up
with
a
really
great
idea
at
that
first
meeting
in
october,
it's
really
going
to
be
tough
to
get
it
developed
and
then
get
community
feedback
on
it
and
so
I'll
open
this
up.
If
anything,
anybody
wants
to
suggest
something
here.
A
A
A
A
D
D
Of
course,
the
preliminary
tax
levy
is
the
maximum
it
can
be,
but
it
can
come
down
from
that
and
the
direction
from
the
council
is
that
they,
I
think,
would
like
that
to
come
down
from
that.
And
so
then,
these
revenue
scenarios
will
guide
the
amount
of
budget
reductions
necessary
for
the
budget
scenarios.
B
C
D
This
is
a
a
pie
chart
that
you've
seen
before,
but
this
is
just
looking
at
the
2020
general
fund
budgeted
revenues,
how
they're
split
out
and
how
the
majority
is
property
tax
and
then
lodging
tax.
We
have
permits
internet
intergovernmental
revenue,
which
is
mostly
grants
program,
income
business
licenses.
D
D
You
know
know
until
later
in
the
year
when
we
get
our
second
half
of
our
property
tax
payments
is
the
property
tax
delinquency
so
based
on
the
delinquency
for
the
first
half
of
the
year,
that's
just
where
we're
estimating
for
delinquencies
and
and
so
for
the
2021
budget.
That's
just
initial
request.
D
D
If
you
recall
the
property,
taxes
are
just
twice
a
year
and
then
the
lodging
admission
taxes
are
monthly,
so
we,
each
month
that
we
go
by,
we
get
some
more
information
about
that
and
see
how
our
events
matching
with
our
forecasting
and
then
permit
fees,
licensing
or
permit
fees
throughout
the
year.
Licensing
annually
in
may
and
early
june
and
other
types
throughout
the
year
program
income
throughout
the
year.
That's
primarily
we're
talking
about
public
health
program,
income
and
parks
and
recreation,
and
then
grants
are
throughout
the
year.
D
This
is
looking
at
the
two
pie:
charts
together
for
2020,
showing
what
we
were
looking
at
pre-covered
and
then
comparing
that
to
what
it's
looking
like
right
now,
and
so
the
difference
between
those
is
that
red
piece
of
pie
is
the
lodging
and
emission
taxes
that
we
were
counting
on.
That
was
part
of
our
2020
budget
and
how
that
went
from
like
about
13
percent
and
now
we're
looking
in
for
our
projections,
how
we're
going
to
in
the
year.
D
That's
only
going
to
be
5
and
then
also
with
property
taxes
with
property
taxes
with
the
delinquencies.
Eventually
we
should
receive
those.
But,
unlike
the
lodging
admission
taxes,
that's
just
gone:
that's
not
gonna!
We
won't
get
those
later,
but
the
property
taxes.
The
part
of
the
pie,
is
going
from
68
percent
down
to
61
percent.
D
D
D
So
if
we're
looking
at
that
worst
case
scenario
for
2021,
we
would
only
be
bringing
in
5.1
million
dollars
of
lodging
and
emission
taxes,
so
47
less
than
2019
and
66
percent
or
sorry
47,
less
for
logic,
taxes,
66
percent,
less
for
admission
taxes,
and
you
can
see
for
the
moderate
case.
That's
you
know
slightly
better
this.
I
don't
think
we've
shared
with
you
before
this
is
just
to
show
in
the
great
recession.
D
D
D
So
that's
the
lodging
and
emission
tax
revenues
and
so
non-tax
revenues,
just
as
we've
you've
seen
these
slides
before,
but
just
other
things
to
think
about
in
revenues
for
permits
here
is
a
a
graph
from
2016
to
2020.
So
you
got
the
five
year.
Average
2019
was
a
banner
year
and
2020
is
still
over
kind
of
a
five
year
average
for
permits
from
january
through
may,
and
then
here
we
have
just
permit
revenues
again
from
2016.
D
D
And
then
just
a
break
out
of
intergovernment
intergovernmental
revenues
that
come
into
the
general
fund
majority
public
health
grants
followed
by
some
state
aid
for
police
for
pera,
then
property
taxes
we've
seen
this
slide
before,
but
just
to
show
kind
of
differences
that
we've
had
historically
between
the
preliminary
tax
levy.
That's
set
in
september
to
where
the
council,
where
the
final
tax
levy
increase,
is
in
december,
and
you
can
see
typically,
it
does
come
down.
D
And
then
this
is
again
when
we're
looking
at
the
median
value
home,
the
home
right
in
the
middle
for
bloomington,
at
that
286
400,
that's
going
to
be
used
for
the
2021
tax
paid
and
that
for
now
in
2020,
that
is
an
89.70
cents
per
month,
and
you
can
see
at
different.
Tax
levy
increases.
How
that
median
value
home
would
be
affected.
D
How
would
be
impacted
and
that
with
a
zero
percent
tax
increase,
it
would
actually
go
down
slightly
because
of
the
how
the
valuation
is
for
20
affecting
2021.,
and
there
was
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide.
Is
that
6.44?
That
was
recommended
with
the
five
dollars
a
month
or
sixty
dollars
a
year?
And
so
what
the
council
approved
was
as
a
maximum
was
the
five
percent
increase
and
that's
a
3.53
increase
per
month
or
42
dollars
per
year?
D
D
D
Here's
a
slide
that
we've
looked
at
before
about
we.
We
actually
took
the
best
case
off
of
this
site.
I
think
the
more
analysis
we're
doing
with
the
the
city
staff
that
we're
kind
of
focusing
more
in
on
you
know
worst
case
moderate
case,
but
that
best
case
isn't
looking
as
realistic
or
something
that
we
should
budget
on.
So
we
don't
have
it
here
anymore,
but
this
was
when
the
6.44
was
the
most
like
with
the
worst
case
that
was
still
going
to
be
a
648
000
reduction.
D
So
if
you're,
looking
at
an
example
on
this
chart,
we
can
come
back
to
this.
The
the
worst
case
with
a
five
percent
levy
increase,
would
be
a
reduction
of
1.6
million
dollars
and
if
you
went
all
the
way
to
no
tax
increase,
that's
a
reduction
of
4.8
million,
and
that
is
the
last
slide
I
have
so
with
that
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
co-chairs
steve
peterson,
neal
peterson.
A
Thanks
kari,
so
really
the
question
that
we're
trying
to
answer
tonight
is,
I
think,
there's
two
parts
to
it.
One
is
you
know:
what's
the
levy
percentage
structure
of
things
and
the
other
question
is,
is
whether
we're
gonna?
We
talked
about
using
the
worst
case
as
our
kind
of
baseline
assumption
and
whether
we're
gonna
continue
that,
and
I
think
what
we're
looking
to
try
to
do
tonight
is
to
see,
if
there's
consensus,
around
a
proposal
on
that.
A
And
kind
of
the
guidance
that
we've
gotten
from
the
council
on
the
particular
is
what
they're
looking
for.
To
be
honest,
I
think
a
a
if
I
was
going
to
propose
something
right
now.
I
propose
a
zero
two
and
a
half
and
five
percent
levy
increase
in
using
the
worst
case
scenario
on
the
non-levy
variable
revenues
and
that
that
would
be
the
structure
that
we
would
go
forward
with.
I
think
the
the
five
percent
number
was
set
by
the
council
when
they
selected
the
preliminary
levy.
A
We've
been
asked
to
deliver
a
zero
percent
one
I
think
sending
something
down.
The
middle
of
that
is
probably
the
logical
thing
to
do
in
that
situation,
which
would
be
a
two
and
a
half
percent
number,
and
so
I'll
I'll
in
in
in
light
of
trying
to
kind
of
jump,
start
a
conversation
with
that
I'll.
Throw
that
concept
out
and
see
what
people's
reaction
is
to
that
neil
did
you
have
something
you're,
looking
quizzical
at
me.
G
A
G
A
We
spent
15
weeks,
it
was
I
I
tried
to
watch
it
today
in
between
meetings
at
work
and
it
was
90
some
minutes
long
and
I
said
I'm
not
going
to
watch
in
90
minutes
council
meeting
segment
to
do
it,
so
I
haven't
watched
it
yet,
but
I
I
watched
the
end
to
see
what
the
conversation
was
around
the
vote.
It
was
unanimous
on
the
5
number
based
on
the
input
that
we
had,
so
I
think
they
just
weren't
they
just
weren't
comfortable.
With
that
six
point,
four
four
percent
number
that
we
came
up.
A
A
G
B
B
I
gathered
what
I
was
watching
was
a
group
of
people
that
are
are
feeling
in
this
community
that
the
tolerance
for,
through
their
lens,
the
tolerance
for
a
perceived
significant
percentage
levy,
increase,
meaning
probably
in
laypersons
terms.
Tax
increase
is,
is
very
little
in
this
in
this
pandemic,
and
I
think
that
you
know
there
was
some
respect
shown
for
the
6.4
and
that
that
represented
60
dollars.
B
B
Would
really
have
to
hear
a
strong
argument
to
put
a
a
levy
out
there,
that's
more
than
two
percent
or
so
more
than
than
current
I
mean
there
was.
There
was
a
sense
of
zero
percent
and
one
percent
two
percent
and
no
sense
of
north
of
three
percent.
Given
now
they
weren't
making
a
decision,
they
didn't
suggest
they
were
making
a
decision.
B
And
that's
what
they
were
saying
now:
what
did
they
not
have
in
front
of
them?
What
they
did
not
have
in
front
of
them?
I
don't
believe
but
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
they
didn't
have
a
focus
on
the
fact
that
the
county
has
made
a
determination
that
their
levy
increase
is
going
to
be
zero
percent
and
they
probably
didn't
have
in
front
of
them.
B
Yet
the
notion
that
that
means
an
8.6
reduction
in
the
county
chunk,
which
is
the
biggest
chunk
of
property
taxes
for
the
median
value
bloomington
home,
would
their
view
have
been
different
if
they
thought
that
the
taxpayer,
the
average
taxpayer
average
homes
taxpayer
in
bloomington,
might
well
be
looking
at
a
cut,
even
if
they
put
a
6.4
percent
levy
increase
in.
I
don't
think
they
had
that
at
the
four.
B
So
I
would
just
challenge
our
committee
to
think
through
whether
it's
important
to
make
that
argument
make
that
case,
because
it's
possible
that
the
group
that
was
thinking
two
percent,
maybe
at
the
upper
end,
three
for
a
levy
increase,
wasn't
as
focused
on
that.
That
may
well
still
not
a
tax
decrease
for
the
median
valley
value
home
in
bloomington,
because
from
what
I've
heard
about
the
county
levy
and
what
just
rumblings.
But
I
don't
think
they've
made
a
decision
yet
the
school
district's
levy
and
what
I
would
predict.
B
D
E
A
A
And
if
you
remember
the
conversations-
and
you
know,
people
expressed
frustration
with
it,
because
you
had
to
pick
a
number
without
having
gone
through
this
detailed
spreadsheet
and
they're
in
the
same
situation
that
we
were
in
with
regard
to
that,
the
even
the
five
percent
scenario
that
we
talk
about
has
service
reductions
as
a
part
of
it.
So
there's
no
there's
no
scenario
going
forward.
That's
in
our
scope
that
doesn't
have
service
reductions.
That's
the
we're
just
you
know,
there's
the
kind
of
three
bears.
A
You
know,
kind
of
kind
of
choices
that
we
have
here
personally.
I
think
that
there's
as
much
value
for
the
council
in
hearing
the
conversation
and
seeing
how
we
prioritize
things
as
the
precise
nature
of
the
proposals
that
we
make-
and
my
expectation
is
that
if
we
come
with
a
five,
a
two
and
a
half
or
a
zero
or
whatever
three
numbers,
we
end
up
picking
expectation-
is
the
likelihood
that
one
of
those
gets
adopted
with
no
changes.
A
Okay,
the
likelihood
of
that
is
zero.
It's
I
guarantee
you
that
that
we're
going
to
send
it
to
the
council
and
the
council
is
going
to
have
ideas
on
how
how
they
want
to
change
that
the
benefit
of
doing
that,
though,
is
we
have
an
enormous
amount
of
community
input
behind
that,
and
it's
going
to
be
really
difficult
for
them
to
replicate
that
in
the
time
frame
that
they
have
so
the
the
sorts
of
changes
that
they're
going
to
make
they'll
make
changes
to
it.
A
D
I
was,
I
did
just
bring
co-chairs
and
committee
members.
I
just
bring
this
slide
back
up
just
to
show
what
the
impact
is
to
the
median
value
home
and
just
going
along
with
what
john
was
saying.
If,
if
there
was
a
zero
percent
tax
levy
increase,
it
would,
it
would
actually
be
a
reduction
for
the
city
as
well
at
1.21
less
per
month.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
A
A
H
H
E
H
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
clarification,
mr
chair.
I
would
can
support
the
worst
case
scenario.
I
I
think,
based
on
an
industry
meeting
that
I
participated
in
yesterday,
the
hospitality
restaurant
association
has
come
out
with
just
some
very
devastating
statistics
and
that's
going
to
have
an
impact
on
these
permits
and
liquor
license
and
food
we're
going
to
see
at
least
50
to
60
percent
of
these
restaurants,
closing
their
doors
and
so
again
this
even
re-emphasizes
the
worst
case
scenario.
H
C
A
E
F
A
J
Sorry
chair
yesterday
either,
but
from
the
council's
conversations
did
it
seem
apparent
to
them,
or
is
it
even
apparent
that
maybe
lots
of
people
have
lost
their
jobs
or
have
had
reductions
in
hours
that
they
just
don't,
have
an
income
right
now,
that's
significantly
impacting
them
in
bloomington
or
what
was
their
oh.
No.
We
can't
really
go
for
the
sixty
dollars
or
five
perce
or
sorry
six
percent.
It
needs
to
be
at
zero
or
close
to.
B
B
E
B
F
F
So
you
know
the
percentage
of
people
here
who
are
cost
burdened
by
rent
and
or
taxes
that
information
has
been
shared
with
the
council
as
well.
So
they've
seen
most
of
the
information
that
you
have
and
I
I
think,
they're
interpreting
it
as
as
I've
understood
this
committee's
discussion,
I
think
the
council
is
interpreting
it
in
much
the
same
way.
J
I
know,
they've
tested
us
to
come
up
with
like
these
potential
solutions
or
whatnot,
but
have
they
vocalized
what
they
thought
potential
solutions
could
be
or
that
they
would
anticipate
enacting
for
city
staff,
then,
if
the
reduction
is
that
if
we
maintain,
which
that
would
be
a
reduction
in
the
contributions
from
the
taxpayers
but
like
if
we
maintain
a
zero
balance
like
a
three
percent
balance,
then
there's
significant
cuts
that
need
to
be
made
in
city
operation.
So
then
absolutely
going
to
really
significantly
affect
our
amenities
or
offerings.
F
F
So
I
I
you
know
they're
they're
sensitive
to
the
number,
and
I
think
they
are
sensitive
to
the
services.
There
were
a
couple
of
them,
especially
that
expressed
frustration
with
the
budgeting
process
in
general,
and
this
wasn't
related
to
the
committee.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
philosophy
of
how
we
do
our
budgeting
that
there
was.
E
C
F
F
One
of
the
things
that
we'll
need
to
figure
out
here
in
the
next
36
hours
before
the
packet
goes
out
is
how
to
incorporate
the
committee
slash
community
ideas
in
there
for
the
ones
where
we're
gonna
we're
asked
to
develop
some
proposals.
We
may
need
an
extra
week
or
so
to
put
those
numbers
together.
C
A
Or
the
first
meeting
in
october,
I
think
next
week
I
think
we'll
be
diving
into
a
lot
of
detail
depending
on
how
much
conversation
there
is
around
things,
but
I
think
what'll.
My
perception
is
what'll
end
up
happening
next
week
is
we'll
get
a
report
and
we'll
be
listening
to
that.
I
don't
think
we'll
have
enough
information
to
set
priorities
at
that
point,
because
we
won't
have
all
of
the
ideas
costed.
A
These
things
lie
above
that
I
don't.
I
don't
think
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
develop
completely
separate
proposals
for
each
three
of
these
things.
I
think
for
the
for
the:
if
we,
if
we
pick
five
three
and
zero,
we'll
do
five
and
then
three
will
be
five
less
a
certain
set
of
things
and
zero
will
be
three
less
another
set
of
things.
That's
how
we'll
go
about
doing
it
because
it
it's
from
a
process
standpoint.
A
That
says:
here's
where
that
line
is
gonna
be
drawn,
and
that's
that's
basically,
what's
driving
the
proposal
that
we
go
talk
to
the
community
about
and
if
you
remember,
then
we're
gonna
go,
get
feedback
from
the
community
at
two
meetings
and
then
we'll
circle
back
and
consider
that
feedback
that
we're
getting
and
make
a
final
set
of
proposals
to
the
city
council.
You
know
landing
those
either
at
the
last
meeting
in
october
or
the
first
meeting
in
november.
E
E
Together,
I
think-
and
so
that's
going
to
be
the
art
of
crafting
this
and
moving
it
into
kind
of
the
town
square
for
that
debate
and
I'm
fully
prepared.
I
think
we
need
to
hear
from
people
who
are
angry
and
upset
and
not
happy
with
that.
That's
a
healthy
part
of
the
process
to
help
generate
the
right
decisions
at
the
end
of
the
day.
A
So
I'm
going
to
loop
the
conversation
back
to
the
structure,
because
I
think
the
thing
that
I'm
trying
to
get
checked
off
tonight
is
to
to
have
a
decision
by
the
committee
of
what
we
think
that
structure
is
going
to
be.
I
can
support
what
marine
was
proposing
about
the
five
three
and
zero
number
I
want
to
see
if
there's
anybody
that
would
object
to
going
forward
with
that
as
the
structure
for
the
three
proposals
that
we're
going
to
do
on
the
revenue
side.
A
H
B
F
B
E
B
Now
we're
not
likely
to
get
to
zero-
maybe
we
will
here
in
bloomington,
but
at
about
two
percent
or
three,
the
the
depending
what
the
school
district
does.
I
suppose,
but
all
the
indicators
are
they're
going
to
have
a
fairly
modest
levy
increase,
so
the
the
median
family
home's
going
to
get
a
school
property
tax
decrease
as
well,
so
that
the
property
taxes
are
going
down
in
bloomington
yeah.
It's
that.
A
If
we're
looking
at
the
middle
proposal
and
there's
a
particular
activity
that
the
city
does
that
we
really
want
to
put
in
there-
and
let's
say
we
picked-
let's
say
we
pick
two
and
a
half
at
this
point
and
we
get
to
that
point
and
we're
looking
at
two
and
a
half
and
we're
like
gosh.
We
want
to
really
want
to
have
this
thing
in
there
and
the
result
of
that
is.
It
goes
from
two
and
a
half
to
two
point:
six
five
or
something
like
that:
there's
nothing
that
prevents
us
from
doing
that.
A
We're
just
I'm
what
I'm!
What
I'm
trying
to
do
is
impose
some
structure
on
this,
so
that
we
can
drive
to
a
consensus
around
three
proposals,
but
in
the
end,
if
we
you
know,
obviously
at
the
at
the
five
end,
you
know
that
could
come
out
lower
too
we
could
say
well,
we
can
accommodate
these
things
and
the
top
one
ends
up
being.
A
H
And
and
mr
chair,
my
my
point
being,
is
when
we
first
started
this
whole
exercise.
We
were
looking
at
the
median
home
to
have
an
increase,
a
tax
increase
and
now
we're
hearing.
Otherwise
you
know
three
months
later
that
it's
going
to
be
or
a
tax
reduction
and
so
we're
going
to
be
saving
or
the
bloomington
residents
for
the
most
part
will
have
seen
a
decrease,
and
then
we
have
to
go
make
these
additional
cuts
as
well.
H
A
And
you
know
josh,
maybe
I'll,
ask
you
a
question
if
we
given
kind
of
the
context
of
the
kind
of
overall
impact
and
kind
of
a
little
bit
more
nuance
about
how
this
kind
of
influences
and
kind
of
where
we're
going
to
end
up
on
the
final
numbers,
would
you
be
willing,
for
kind
of
conversational
purposes,
to
say
that
we're
going
to
go
with
the
three
percent
number
and
then
we,
when
we're
trying
to
close
this
out
at
the
end?
That's
when
we
make
the
really
truly
final
decision
on
that.