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Description
Bloomington Community Budget Advisory Committee Meeting
A
A
B
C
Good
evening
committee
members
this
evening
I
don't
have
a
presentation
I'll
just
mention
that
in
the
agenda
materials
there
is
a
memo
with
some
information
and
updates.
It
includes
so.
The
may
2020
survey
results
that
were
taken
in
may
for
creekside,
community
center
and
motor
vehicle
office,
and
then
there
is
a
member
from
the
parks
and
recreation
director
and
country
in
regard
in
regards
to
proposed
2021
parks
and
recreation
fees
and
as
well
as
some
staffing
information
clarification.
C
D
D
If
there's
a
common
theme
that
occurred
through
the
two
sessions
it
was.
It
was
a
support
for
the
the
services
that
are
provided.
That
was
that
was
pretty
clear
and
you
know
I'd
say
that
there
was
probably
a
split
of
opinion
in
terms
of
what
would
be
the
preferable
option
for
various
for
various
reasons.
But
you
know
I
I'd
say
it's
pretty
reflective
of
the
conversation
that
we've
had
in
this
room,
and
so
the
the
reaction
from
the
community
members
was
about
what
you'd
expect.
D
They
had
good
questions
and
you
know
their
their
input.
I
thought
reflected
in
a
genuine
intent
on
the
part
of
the
participants
to
provide
constructive
feedback.
I
think
they
were
there
to
learn
and
they
were
there
because
they
were.
You
know,
they're
concerned,
and
I
thought
that
their
their
input
reflected
that
mr
chair
did
you
want
to
provide
any
insight,
since
you
were
both
the
presenter
and
you
know
trying
to
keep
the
trains
running
on
time.
D
A
Think
you
know
I'll
agree
with
what
jamie
had
to
say.
I
thought
that
there
was
a
range
of
feedback
that
that,
I
think
definitely
were.
I
think,
we're
meeting
our
engagement
goal
because
we
got
a
bunch
of
people
to
come
and-
and
we
got
really
good
feedback
from
folks-
and
I
I
do
want
to
kind
of
reflect
that
it
had
a
serious
nature
to
it.
So
people
took
it
seriously,
which
I
thought
was
a
good
thing.
I
you
know.
A
Sometimes
you
worry
when
this
sort
of
meeting
happens,
that
who
knows
who
knows
who's
gonna
come
and
say
what?
But-
and
there
was
a
range
of
of
people-
there
were
people
who
were
services
focused
that
wanted
to
hear
us
to
hear
various
messages
around
services
that
they
valued
and
then
on
the
the
kind
of
revenue
side.
There
was
a
range
of
folks
between
people
who
said
I
wanna
you.
A
You
should
go
with
the
five
percent
number
and
and
and
raise
the
tax
levy
and
let's
keep
the
services,
and
there
were
people
who
were
emphatic
that
that
they
felt
we
had
room
to
do
the
zero
percent
one,
and
I
wouldn't
say
that
there
was
any
particularly
heavy
kind
of
weight
in
any
particular
direction
on
that,
and
I
also
think
if
you
look
at
the
feedback
that
we
got
on
the
lex
talk
bloomington.
That
kind
of
range
of
of
opinions
about
the
revenue
side
is
reflected
there.
I
think
there's
that
the
the.
A
And
so
I
think
it
was
a
useful
exercise
to
see
if
there
was
something
that
we
were
missing
with
respect
to
our
process,
and
I
didn't
come
away
with
the
feeling
that
there
was
any
super
big
kind
of
gotcha
in
what
we
had
put
together.
I
think
that
people
thought
what
we
had
put
together
was
a
thoughtful
set
of
priorities
that
that,
at
least
based
on
the
input
seems
aligned
kind
of
at
the
big
picture
level,
with
what
the
community
is
community
values.
A
So
that's
jamie,
that's
how
I
would
characterize
them
yeah.
I
know
that
there
were
a
couple
other
committee
members
who
were
at
the
some
of
the
sessions.
I
don't
know
if
the
folks
who
were
there
watching
would
like
to
comment
on
what
they
saw.
Remember
maureen
was
you:
were
there
weren't
you
marine.
B
Yes,
I
was
able
to
attend
and
listen
to
both
sessions,
and
I
want
to
compliment
you,
mr
chair,
that
was
not
without
some
interesting
discussion
and
questions.
So
I
compliment
you
on
how
you
navigated,
through
that.
I
think
one
observation.
This
is
a
very
complicated
issue
and
for
the
general
you
know
resident
of
bloomington
to
really
grasp
in
that
amount
of
time.
B
Actually
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
the
people
who
did
attend.
I
was
actually
more
surprised.
I
was
expecting
people
to
be
more
around
that
zero
to
three
percent
and
not
even
coming
close
to
the
five
percent
and
thursday
night.
There
seemed
to
be
a
lot
of
conversation
with
being
okay
with
that
5.
As
long
as
police
law
enforcement
and
some
other
city
services,
they
were
willing
to
pay,
so
those
services
wouldn't
get
cut.
B
A
A
I
think
it's
really
time
for
us
to
kind
of
loop
back
and
have
that
more
detailed
conversation
about
kind
of
priorities
in
there
and
see
if
there's
things
that
we
want
to
move
based
either
based
on
ideas
that
we
had
prior
to
going
out
for
community
feedback
or
based
on
things
that
folks
either
heard
people
who
attended
the
sessions
or
read
in
the
the
transcripts
that
we
had
on
that.
And
I
think
our
goal
is
either
either
tonight
or
next
week
is
to
come
to
a
list.
A
That's
edited
to
where
we
want
it
to
be,
where
the
two
chairs
can
head
off
to
the
city
council
meeting
and
represent
the
work
of
the
committee
at
the
city
council
meeting.
So
that's
what
I
think
for
the
remaining
work
of
the
committee.
I
think
that's
really.
It
is
just
to
kind
of
get
down
to
brass
tax
and
get
that
done
so.
D
D
D
The
response
to
that
was
70
percent
said
good
or
excellent
when
asked
about
the
value
of
the
city
services
in
light
of
the
taxes
that
they
pay
to
the
city
of
bloomington,
and
that's
a
that's
up
seven
points
from
last
year:
2018
and
2019
were
the
were
the
low
points
in
the
community's
opinion
on
that
question
at
63
percent.
So
we've
come
back
up
to
70
percent.
D
D
Opinion
is
about
about
where
taxes
stand
in
the
community.
I
think
this
gives
you
a
pretty
good
feel
that
seven
out
of
10
people
feel
pretty
strongly
about
the
value
that
they're
getting
here.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
you
had
that
little
piece
of
information
and
then
hopefully
I'll
have
the
survey
results
tallied,
so
you
can
see
them
before
your
final
meeting.
A
A
So
do
folks
want
to
want
me
to
go
in
more
detail.
The
last
the
last
meeting
I
described
in
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
process
wise,
but
that
would
be
what
I
would
propose
that
we
would
do
if
you
want
to
propose
something
that
swaps,
two
things
feel
free
to
do
that.
If
you
want
to
say,
I
just
want
to
move
this
from
here
to
here
and
everything
else
kind
of
moves
down.
That's,
I
think,
that's
fine,
too,
and
it
was
easier
to
talk
about
hey
john,
what
go
ahead.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
think
we
will
probably
run
into
the
same
challenge
with
the
process
as
as
a
sense
that
we
were
running
into
last
week.
So
I
just
I
wanted
to
throw
in
a
few
observations
that
I
I
got
from
reading
the
materials
and
wondering
and
wonder
if
we
might
just
try
to
establish
whether
there's
a
consensus
on
them
or
whether
I
get
it
get
it
wrong.
So
I
was
sort
of
thinking
about
the
materials
not
having
been
at
the
two
sessions
and
what
I
got
was
a.
E
There
was
a
lot
of
strong
feedback,
supporting
police
and
and
nearly
as
strong
a
feedback
supporting
fire,
and
my
sense
would
be
there
be
genuine
re
of
this
group
at
least
based
on
what
was
presented.
There
would
be
genuine
concern
about
cuts
in
those
areas,
and
I
sensed
quite
a
bit
of
support
for
the
city
doing
what
it
can
do.
Perhaps
at
the
level
it's
been
doing
it
roughly
for
nurturing
the
cultural
arts,
not
necessarily
huge
direct
subsidies.
E
But
I
think
people
were
saying
that,
but
at
least
creating
that
environment,
where
the
cultural
arts
organizations
you
know
can
survive
thrive
exist.
You
fill
in
the
blank
that
those
were
a
couple
of
themes
and
another
theme
not
theme,
but
I
picked
up
and
it
registered
with
me
that
there
was
not
a
great
understanding
of
of
levy
setting
and
how
it
relates
directly
or
less
directly
to
actual
text
obligations
of
an
individual,
and
I
was
a
yeah.
E
I
I
share
the
observation
that
there
seemed
to
be
a
fair
amount
of
support
at
that
five
percent
level
when
considering
it
in
the
context
of
things
that
might
get
cut,
but
I
was
but
I
was
intrigued
that
there
there
was
that
support.
At
the
same
time
that
I
I
sensed
that
people
thought
that
meant
their
taxes
might
go
up.
Five
percent
and.
E
What
does
that
lead
us
to
in
terms
of
decision
making?
I
don't
know,
I
think,
that's
a
council
decision,
but
it
leads
me
to
think
that
that
there's
an
over
overall
benefit
to
derive
from
trying
to
increase
the
public's
understanding
of
the
difference
between
a
tax
bill
and
a
tax
levy
or
overall
size
of
the
budget.
That's
set,
and
I
did
not
sense
a
whole
lot
of
negative
reaction
to
the
to
the
general
recommendations
that
were
being
made
other
than
you
know,
protect
our
police,
fire
and
and
art
support.
F
E
F
I'm
not
going
to
ask
for
any
changes
I
to
me
it
it'd
be
tinkering
because
I
don't
have
any
big
thoughts,
one
way
or
another.
So
your
idea
of
looking
for
consensus,
I
think,
is
a
good
idea
because
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
night
we
move
one
or
two
things.
Every
one
of
us
move
one
or
two
things.
We
end
up
in
pretty
much
the
same
place,
so
I
don't.
I
don't
see
it
as
a
big
advantage,
one
way
or
the
other
that's
my
perspective.
A
John
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
do,
john
over
john
over
there,
john
kids,
is.
I
want
to
show
you
quickly
what
I
showed
in
the
meeting
on
the
tax
question
and
because
you
know
I
have
a
decade
and
a
half
of
experience,
of
trying
to
and
failing
to
explain
the
minnesota
property
tax
system
to
people
if
chris,
if
you
could
slide
that
out
of
the
way
there
just
a
little
bit,
so
that
shows
up
a
little
bit
better.
I
don't
know
if
you
control
that
or
if
yes,
oh.
A
This
is
what
one
of
the
scenarios
would
look
like
in
the
presentation.
So
we
had
the
tax
amount
up
there,
we
had
the
five
percent,
and
then
we
showed
the
show
the
dollar
amounts
and
the
kind
of
concrete
impacts
that
I
went
through
and
summarized
out
of
what
we
had
done
and
that's
how
I
tried
to
address
that.
A
In
these
conversations,
and
so
looking
at
this
and
saying
you
know
that
that
some
people
pay
higher
some
people
less,
but
at
this
five
percent
scenario
it's
three
and
a
half
dollars
roughly
per
month.
You
know
that's
and
that's
how
I
tended
to
frame
it
so
and
on
on
your
concept
there.
I
think
your,
I
think
your
point
about
looking
for
themes
is
the
the
in
general,
the
right
thing
to
be
looking
at
and
kind
of
to
start
driving
the
conversation,
the
one.
A
It
was
just
that
you
know
they're
in
any
organization
that
there's
opportunities
to
save,
and
so
personally
I
think
we
did
a
good
job
in
the
rankings
that
we
did
of
kind
of
holding
off
on
impacts
for
the
police
until
the
latter
buckets
to
the
three
percent
of
the
zero
percent
bucket.
But
like
any
organization,
I
have
to
believe
that
there's
some
opportunity
to
economize
in
that
area
without
without
having
an
enormous
impact
on
service
delivery.
So
that's
that's
my
kind
of
reading
on
this
situation.
Other
comments.
A
I
think
kind
of
reacting
to
what
john
talked
about
about
kind
of
themes
on
this.
I
think
that's
a
worthwhile
worthwhile
thing
to
think
about
and
if
folks
have
comments
on
that,
I'd
be
interested
in
hearing
and
chris,
if
you
notice
that
akia
is
raising
your
hand,
feel
free
to
or
a
key.
If
you
just
want
to
jump
in
when
when
you
feel
like
talking,
you
can
just
go
ahead
and
do
that.
You
don't
have
to
raise
your
hand.
F
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
do
agree
with
with
john
about
overall
themes
and
kind
of
looking
at
that
and
again
you've
all
heard
my.
What
I
feel
I
think
is
important
as
far
as
city
services
and
that's
public
safety
and
its
public
works.
Those
are
the
two
big
priorities
and
then
you
know,
along
with
john's
comments
about
the
arts,
I
was
kind
of
taken
aback
because
there
were
more
public
comments
and
people
expressing
their
thoughts
of
wanting
to
retain
the
arts
and
culture
programs
here
at
the
city.
B
So
I
do
kind
of
echo
with
that's
I've
kind
of
had
a
mind
shift
on
on
the
arts
and
culture.
But
one
of
my
questions
is
we.
We
started
looking
at
discussions
where
the
county
can
step
in
and
help
where
we
can.
You
know,
get
more
of
efficiencies
of
service,
or
you
know
scale
and
highland
greens
and
and
bush
lake.
B
Is
there
since
we're
still
early
october,
and
this
will
be
settled
by
early
december.
Is
there
any
way
that
some
of
those
possibilities
could
get
finalized
or
confirmed,
which
would
then
be?
Then
you
know
we
could
look
at
other
ways
to
to
make
it
up.
I
I
just
think
there's
some
opportunity
there
and
if
there
is
do
we
have
time
to
have
staff
explore
that
to
bring
back
some
options.
A
I
do
think,
though,
that
if
the
staff
were
able
to
work
something
like
that
out
that
could
come
to
the
city,
council
and
the
city
council
could
make
adjustments
at
their
level.
So
I
think
my
when
I
say
no,
it's
no
it's
about
no
for
us,
but
maybe
for
the
city
as
a
whole
that
that
could
get
done.
But
that
would
you
know
that
requires
a
negotiation,
and
you
know
we
were
pretty
careful
not
to
take
on
anything
that
had
kind
of
negotiation
risk
in
it
as
part
of
what
we
were
putting
together.
G
G
I
and
I
walked
away
just
they're
not
there
yet,
and
I
think
they
need
time
to
go
through
the
process
that
we're
going
right
now
before
they
can
come
to
a
vote,
and
I
think
the
sooner
that
we
can
present
to
them
our
list.
If
we
have
it
now,
then
let's
give
it
to
them
and
let
them
deal
with
it,
because
there
I
I
walked
away
a
little
bit
discouraged
they're,
not
there
they've
been
allowed
to
not
have
to
wrestle
with
it
and
they
need
to
because
they
have
to
vote
in
about
three
weeks.
G
So
I
I
think
we've
done
a
great
job
we've
given
an
awful
lot
of
material
and
they're
the
ones
that
have
to
digest
it,
they're
not
going
to
digest
any
more
than
what
we've
given
them.
They're
going
to
be
like
a
cow
with
seven
stomachs,
they're
going
to
get
take
stuff
in
the
last
three
or
four
stomachs
will
define
what
comes
out,
but
they
need
to
have
time
to
do
that.
So
that
was
my
takeaway
from
the
council
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
critical.
C
C
A
A
A
Based
on
your
comment,
I
had
kind
of
looking
at
kind
of
where
I'm
at
on
the
police
and
fire
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
comfortable
with
where
things
are
at
on
that,
were
there
other
things
that,
because
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
kind
of
build
a
little
bit
of
a
list
here
that
we
can
kind
of
go,
walk
them
through
anybody
else
have
things
that
they
think
that
they
want
to
see
on
that
list.
Josh,
I
see
you
waving
over
there.
D
H
Use
your
microphone.
Sorry,
so
I
read
through
all
the
comments,
and
I
heard
our
senior
citizens
expressing
some
pretty
serious
concerns
about
divesting
in
creekside,
and
I
wonder
if,
if
we
need
to
put
this
into
some
more
context
that
there's
public
infrastructure,
that's
deteriorating,
that's
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
fix
it
up.
H
So
we're
not
saying
don't
provide
these
services
to
folks
who
are
in
need.
We're
saying
this
is
a
way
to
expense.
A
way
to
do.
There's
got
to
be
a
better
way
to
increase
the
quality
of
services
over
the
long
term,
and
then
that
leads
to
what
is
the
public
infrastructure
investment
by
the
city
into
a
pl,
a
gathering
place
that
is
maybe
more
modern.
H
It
might
cost
more
on
the
front
end,
but
over
time,
then
that
got
me
to
thinking
about
all
of
the
public
infrastructure
conversations
that
we've
had
from
our
firehouses
to
our
to
our
ice
rinks
to
the
all
that
that
we
didn't
touch
on
here,
because
it's
a
longer
term.
I
do
worry
that
if
this
downturn
continues,
we're
gonna
be
right
back
at
this
in
a
year
or
two
and
we've
gotta,
we
gotta
make
sure
that's
front
and
center
that
this
is
a
short-term
budget.
H
H
We
need
to
message
that
to
the
council,
and
so
I
don't
know
you
got
this
bucket
of
things
for
the
long
term
and
I
would
resubmit
for
consideration.
Some
communities
are
looking
at
naming
rights,
campaigns
or
other
revenue
streams
which
might
be
challenging
in
this
market
time,
where
we
can
raise
revenues
in
a
smart
way
to
help
fund.
Some
of
these
things
for
our
senior
citizens
and
youth.
H
A
So
we
have
we
had
before,
and
so
I'm
just
taking
notes
as
you're
talking
here.
We
had
kind
of
the
parking
lot
items
yeah
that
we
were
gonna
send
off
to
the
council
as
part
of
the
report,
and
what
I
took
away
from
your
conversation
was
that
there
was
kind
of
public
infrastructure
investments
and
then
kind
of
looking
at
other
revenue
streams.
Like
the
example
is
naming
rights,
naming
rights.
H
A
E
E
One
slide
that
was
put
together
before
our
last
meeting
that
had
those
sort
of
parking
lot
items,
but
were
you
know
they
weren't
doable
in
this
time
frame
but
well
worth
exploring,
was
the
recommendation
and
my
gut
is
if
we
figured
out
how
to
make
that
slide,
if
not
front
and
center
rather
prominent
in
our
messaging
and
in
our
presentation,
yet
added
a
bullet
to
it.
That
might
be
more
generic
along
the
lines
of
other
revenue
generating
opportunities.
E
E
E
A
Yeah,
so
one
thing
I
did
talk
about
in
the
in
one
of
them
was
you
know,
people
were
asking
about
the
south
loop
and
I
did
talk
about.
We
had
the
salt
loop
in
the
parking
lot
as
the
top
item
on
our
list
to
talk
about
there
so,
and
I
still
think
that
that's
a
worthwhile
thing
to
do
so-
maybe
I'll
rename
this
as
this
is
recommended.
E
H
Chair,
if
I
may
indulge
the
committee
again,
I
was
struck
not
surprised,
but
by
the
almost
unanimous
support
for
police
and
fire,
which
makes
sense
with
what's
happening
in
the
country.
I
wonder-
and
this
is
more
philosophical-
are
we
asking
our
police
department
and
not
police
officers,
to
do
too
much
in
society
in
general
and
are
there
things
that
chief
potts
and
the
team
could
do
reflect
on
over
the
next
year
or
so
in
which
they
stay
focused
like
a
laser
beam
on
public
safety?
H
But
if
there's
things
that
they're
being
asked
to
do
that
are
outside
of
that
mission,
there's
been
mission
creep,
there's
opportunities
for
savings
or
in
other
ways
where
that
can
be
transferred
to
mental
health.
I
just
think
about
the
number
of
police
visits
I've
seen
from
mental
health,
just
in
my
neighborhood
to
a
certain
house
over
the
last
year,
which
is
in
the
dozens
and
the
officers
have
handled
that
situation
in
incredibly
professionally.
H
H
It's
a
conversation,
that's
happening
all
across
minnesota
and
the
country,
and
we
can
again
continue
to
be
at
the
forefront
in
leaders
in
that
that
doesn't
make
any
rash
decisions
that
undermine
people's
safety,
doesn't
devalue
in
any
way
shape
or
form
what
the
men
and
women
in
bloomington
police
force
are
doing,
but
really
ask
that
longer
term
question.
So
I
it's
not
just
it's
not
really
our
charter
to
do
that.
But
I
wonder
if
that
isn't
something
that
gets
teed
up
for
future
discussions
and
conversations
with
the
cross
sections
of
bloomington.
A
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
It
determines
how
many
trucks,
what
kind
of
trucks
and
get
there
so
the
best
possible
service
can
be
delivered
same
same
for
police.
There
are
specialties
within
the
department
and
if
it
gets
to
a
certain
level,
you
send
the
specialist
but
they're,
not
knee-deep.
In
those
things
I
mean,
the
specialists
are
three
two
three
four
five
people,
maybe,
and
are
they
always
working?
No,
so
I
mean
it.
I
don't
want
to
make
this
over
complicated,
but
it's
a
very
difficult
situation
to.
F
F
A
I
think
that
this
list
is
intended
to
kind
of
put
things
on
the
council's
radar
that
they
might
not
otherwise
be
thinking
about,
and
at
least
my
impression
is
from
kind
of
the
since
this
process
started.
The
attention
that
I've
been
paying
to
the
city
council
is
that
the
kind
of
policing
question
broadly
stated
is
something
that's
that's
firmly
in
the
middle
of
their
kind
of
radar
right
now,
if
that's
the
case,
I'm
just
wondering
what
adding
it
on
our
list
would
really
add
to
their
attention
to
it.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
committee
members.
The
the
police
department,
I
think
you
all
remember,
is
already
partnering,
with
hennepin
county,
to
have
a
social
worker
embedded
with
the
department
so
that
they
are
better
equipped
to
handle
mental
health
crisis
calls
and
especially
referrals
after
the
fact
in
connection
with
services.
D
We
also
significantly
increased
the
training
of
officers
over
the
last
several
years
in
in
the
amount
of
time
every
year
that
they
spend
in
training
for
dealing
with
residents
or
customers
that
are
experiencing
mental
health
crisis.
So
you
know
the
comments
about
you
train
for
one
thing,
but
what
you're
actually
doing
in
the
field
is
maybe
not
at
all.
D
D
It
would
probably
be
something
about
expanding
that
program,
whether
it's
in
partnership
with
the
county
or
looking
at
city
resources
to
supplement
it
because
it's
just
it's,
it's
an
increasing,
it's
an
increasing
component
of
our
calls
for
service
load,
and
I
don't
think
that
it's
going
to
reverse
any
time
in
in
the
near
future.
So
if
you're
looking
mr
chair
for
a
way
to
characterize
that
conversation,
I
think
it's
broadening
the
broadening
the
response
services
available
through
the
police.
A
Department,
okay,
so
I
guess
the
question
for
the
group
here
is
given,
given
what
we've
heard
do
we
want
to
add
something
here
we
could
use
the
language
that
the
manager
is
kind
of
looking
at
or
do
we
want
to
say
something
different
or
do
we
want
to
kind
of
be
silent
on
that
particular
topic?
Having
seen
that
the
console
is
already
looking
at
it.
E
John,
just
thinking
about
this
as
a
wordsmith
which
is
dangerous,
marrying
what
you
said
that
you're
pretty
convinced
it's
already
on
the
radar
I'd
be
fine
with
eliminating
it
or
if
we
added
it
just
add.
The
word
continue
to
the
city.
Manager's
phrase
of
broadening
you
know
so
continue.
Broadening
might
at
least
show
recognition
that
yeah.
We
know
you're
on
this
yeah.
H
What
we're
going
through
in
the
country
right
now,
just
in
general,
I
think
the
demand
for
mental
health
services
are
is
bound
to
increase
as
homelessness
and
other
issues
are
kicking
in.
So
I'm
just
from
a
budget
perspective
is
that
the
most
cost
efficient
and
effective
way.
I
just
raise
it
because
we're
looking
at
this
from
a
dollar
and
sense
perspective
moving
forward,
and
I
recognize
how
much
we're
asking
our
police
department
and
and
those
men
and
women
in
in
uniform
to
do
so.
H
A
So
we
have
a
couple
options
up
here
on
the
screen.
One
is
continuing
to
focus
on
broadening
response.
Services
is
kind
of
in
response
to
what
the
manager
proposed
josh.
What
I'm
trying
to
capture
a
little
bit
is
what
you're
talking
about
where
your
yours
is
more
kind
of
looking
at
our
public
safety
model
and
saying
you
know,
is
what
what's
the
best
model
in
the
long
run,
to
keep
bloomington
safe
and
do
that
in
a
cost-efficient
way.
Correct.
H
H
I
mean
I'm
just
looking
at
what's
happening
to
local
city
county
governments,
all
across
the
country.
The
budgets
are
going
to
continue
to
be
stressed
into
the
long
term,
probably
while
people
some
people
become
less
hopeful
and
they
become
more
depressed
and
crime
act.
The
pressure
on
crime
and
other
issues
goes
up.
So
we
got
to
get
really
creative
on
how
we
maintain
a
high
quality
life,
keep
people
safe
and
help
people
where
they
are
that's
kind
of
my
challenge
to
the
commission.
Here
when
I
look
at
my
crystal
ball,
yeah
from
a
budgetary
perspective,.
B
B
I
think
it's
a
two-prong
approach.
I
think
it's
public
health
and
potential
public
safety.
So
if
we're
really
going
to
address
this,
I
don't
think
a
city
specific
can
can
solve
this
problem
on
its
own.
I
think
this
goes
well
beyond.
Like
you
said
this
is
happening
throughout
our
our
nation
right
now,
so
you
know
what
the
state
is
willing
to
do
and
what
the
county
is
willing
to
do,
and
I
think
it's
a
partnership
of
of
all
so
to
to
put
the
onus
on
the
city
of
bloomington
and
the
police
department.
B
I
would
like
to
see
if
we're
going
to
have
something
up
there
and
I
I
agree
wholeheartedly.
We've
got
some
major
issues
with
mental
health.
Here
I
see
that
as
a
public
health
issue
as
well
as
a
public
safety.
So
if
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
helping
our
public
safety
and
expand
and
br
and
bring
in
different
types
of
support
for
public
safe,
I
think
you
have
to
mention
that
this
is
also
a
public
health
crisis
that
we're
dealing
with,
let
alone
a
public
safety
crisis.
A
We
can
pick
one
of
these
two
things.
We
could
have
another
thing
that
we
decided
to
do.
We
could
decide
that
we're
going
to
be
silent
on
it
and
allow
the
city
council
to
kind
of
continue
with
the
things
that
they
have
going
really
up
to
the
committee.
We
we
don't.
We
don't
have
to
say
anything
in
particular
about
anything
on
this
list.
So
we're
not
there's
no
pressure
for
us
to
make
a
comment
or
not.
E
E
But
I'm
wondering
if
this
is
one
of
those
issues
that,
by
adding
to
the
list
on
sort
of
budget-focused
items,
actually
diminishes
the
impact
of
the
rest
of
the
list.
If
we,
if
we
are
convinced
that
we
think
this
is
really
important,
but
that
the
council's
on
it
and
that
it's
a
multi-level
governmental
and
non-governmental
issue,
maybe
we're
stronger
with
the
overall
list
by
not
adding
it
to
this
particular
slide.
E
A
So
one
one
thing
I
think
about
in
this
space
is
that
you
know
like
former
mayor
winstead
was
on
this.
I
can
remember
what
the
committee
was,
but
it
was.
It
was
some
judges
and
it
was
attorneys
and
elected
officials.
I
don't
remember
what
that
what
that
group
was
that
was
looking
for
kind
of
holistic
improvements
in
this
particular
area.
A
A
I
mean
I'm
just
I'm
listening
to
folks
talk
here,
I'm
not
feeling
a
consensus
coming
together
on
something
to
put
in
here.
So
my
tendency
at
this
point
is
to
say
that
we
don't
we
don't
have
something
listed
on
here.
I'm
confident
that
there
are
people
looking
at
it,
but
I
think
part
of
the
reason
why
we're
not
able
to
succinctly
kind
of
put
a
consensus
around
something.
A
What
I'd
like
to
propose
is
that
I'm
going
to
take
this
item
off
of
here
off
of
this
list
and
we'll
kind
of
have
faith
that
the
council
is
continuing
to
work
on
that
and
that
they've
been
investing
in
that
not
just
you
know,
with
the
events
that
have
happened
this
year,
but
for
for
quite
some
time
before
that.
So
josh
are
you?
Okay
with
that.
A
A
F
Yes,
mr
chair,
the
public
infrastructure,
that
is
to
say,
creekside
replacement.
I
don't
think
that
accurately
it
doesn't
give
any
focus
on
moving
the
majority
of
the
issues
at
creekside.
It's
not
just
tearing
down
a
building
and
building
a
new
one
which
that
you
could
go
down
that
path
real
easy.
So
I
think
that
needs
to
be
reworded.
D
I
think
what
might
be
helpful
here
is
to
maybe
talk
about
specifically
what
that
longer
term
conversation
is
about.
Is
it
about
the
the
services
and
where
the
services
are
provided
from,
or
is
it
about
the
urgency
or
the
need
for
replacement
to
the
facility
in
a
certain
time
frame
to
address
the
infrastructure
issues.
H
This
is
potentially
a
good
time
and
it
can
put
laid
off
people
from
bloomington
in
this
area
to
work
and
some
of
our
small
businesses
and
so
I'd
something
in
there
about
a
longer-term
funding
stream.
Some
sort
of
strategy
here
to
fix
up
some
of
these
buildings,
and
if
anybody
deserves
a
safe
place
to
be
it's
people
who
you
know
are
in
need
and
on
some
fixed
incomes
and.
A
A
A
A
C
A
B
You
know,
and-
and
this
is
more
of
an
observation
I
I
would
like
to
share
with
my
colleagues
here
tonight-
I
had
the
opportunity
to
go
over
to
motor
vehicle
services.
Last
week
I
had
to
renew
my
driver's
license
and
I
applied
for
a
real
id
and
I
just
want
to
let
you
all
know
that
was
probably
one
of
the
most
great
experiences
I
have
had
going
and
getting
my
driver's
license
renewed
and
the
to
watch
the
people
the
staff
operate.
B
You
know
people
forgetting
certain
things
and
the
patience
and
the
tolerance
that
they
showed
the
customers,
the
residents
coming
in
and,
as
I
was
sitting
there,
there
were
a
few
of
us
and
people
were
commenting.
Oh
isn't
this
wonderful
to
have
in
our
city.
Isn't
this
great?
Aren't
these
people
they're
they're
just
so
good
to
work
with,
and
there
was
like
a
family
behind
that
counter.
B
You
could
tell
that
these
people
have
worked
there
for
quite
some
time
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we
have
to
save
the
world
or
save
jobs,
but
I
had
after
experiencing
that
I
have
a
different
outlook
and
perspective
on
this
service
that
we
provide,
and
I
don't
think
I
would
have
had
a
mind
shift
if
I
wouldn't
have
gone
over
there
that
day,
so
I'm
more
inclined
to
see
what
we
can
do.
You
know
I'll
do
it.
You
know
whatever
the
commission
wishes,
but
I
just
want
to
share.
I
A
I
I
B
I
So
then,
my
follow-up,
I
know
when
we
talked
about
this.
The
the
issue
is
the
rate
at
which
we
can
complete
transactions
and
have
we
seen
then
that
having
scheduled,
you
know
times
that
you
can
go
when
you
have
to
set
an
appointment.
Has
that
increased
our
rate,
because
if
it
hasn't
for
me
personally,
you
know
seeing
kind
of
the
comments
and
things
that
are
out
there.
It's
really
50
50.,
some
people
love
it,
and
so
we
were
like
there's
one
in
edina
there's
one
in
egan
like
within
10-15
minutes
of
here.
I
If
it
wasn't
here,
it
wouldn't
be
a
big
deal.
So
if
we
were
gonna
save
it,
I
would
make
sure
want
to
make
sure
that
we
were
processing
more
transactions,
that
we
would
be
spending
less
general
tax
fund
supporting
it
so
that
we
can
keep
it
going.
Otherwise
to
me
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
have
some
of
the
other
places
within
such
close
proximity
to
what
we
have
now.
C
Mr
chair
and
committee
members,
first
of
all
marine,
thank
you
for
the
kind
comments
for
our
staff.
They
do
work
exceptionally
hard
and
the
group
we
have
in
that
division
works
really
well
together
right
now
during
these
difficult
times,
and
they
certainly
are
not
on
the
list
of
proposed
cuts
because
they
don't
do
a
good
job
they're
on
the
list
to
propose
cuts,
because
when
the
city
got
into
this
business,
it
was
a
fee
supporting
activity,
and
it's
now
an
activity
that
the
fees
no
do
not
support.
C
And
if
we
want
to
have
that
service
in
our
community,
we
need
to
devote
property
taxes
to
maintaining
it,
and
that's
purely
a
value
judgment
is.
Is
that
something
the
committee
wants
to
recommend
and,
ultimately
that
the
council
wants
to
fund
the
method
that
we
are
operating
in
right
now
is
prioritizing
crowd,
control
and
public
health
standards
and
social
distancing
and
so
on,
and
that's
what's
necessary
for
this
time.
C
C
If
they
bear
out
under
further
analysis,
they
could
conceivably
reduce
the
amount
of
tax
assistance
that
this
office
would
require.
I
do
not
expect
that
they
would
return
the
office
to
being
self-sustaining,
though
they
not
that
far,
but
it
might
bring
that
225
000
number
down,
maybe
by
maybe
by
as
much
as
half
but
like.
A
What
I'd
like
to
see
here
personally,
what
I'd
like
to
see
us
do
is
something
along
the
lines
of
taking
us
taking
this
and
splitting
into
three
chunks
and
putting
one
of
one
third
in
each
of
the
three
categories,
and
have
it
be
more
of
a
stair
step.
The
effect
of
that
again
is
since
that's
173
dollars,
it's
sixty
thousand
dollars,
so
what
that
would
end
up
doing
is
that
would
probably
end
up
depending
on
what
we're
at
moving
this
park,
maintenance
position
up
into
the
five
percent
bucket,
and
it
would.
A
So
I'll
open
it
up,
I
you
know
somebody
else
brought
up
the
arts
thing,
but
that's
something
that
I
was
also
thinking
about
bringing
up,
and
so
I
wanted
to
talk
about
kind
of
splitting
that
and
making
it
feel
a
little
bit
more
fine-grained.
Others
have
comments
on
that,
either
in
support
or
opposing
them.
E
E
A
I
think
what
I
would
do
is
I
would
take
it
and
split
it
into
roughly
sixty
thousand
dollar
chunks
and
there
would
be
a
sixty
thousand
dollar
chunk
at
this
rank
here.
There'd
be
a
sixty
thousand
dollar
chunk
somewhere
down
in
here
in
the
three
percent
and
another
sixty
thousand
dollar
chunk
in
the
zero
percent,
and
we
could
they
don't
have
to
be.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
a
third
or
third
or
third.
A
C
G
A
G
I
So
then
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
support
what
the
community
has
has
told
us,
that's
important
to
them,
and
so
by
having
it
in
thirds
at
least,
would
have
a
realistic
chance,
whether
it's
very
small,
60
000
won't
be
able
to
do
a
significant
amount,
but
it'd
still
be
something
to
continue
to
keep
that
flame
alive
as
we
work
through
this
time,
so
I'll
be
more
in
favor
of
the
the
third
split
so
that
we
could
continue
to
support
this
in
the
the
fullest
level.
We
can.
A
A
A
So
I'll
make
a
change.
I
don't
want
to
do
this
editing
in
the
meeting
because
it
just
becomes
a
nightmare,
so
I'm
just
making
notes
as
we
go
along
so
then
the
last
so
so,
unless
there's
any
further
input
on
that
one,
I'm
going
to
say
that
we
have
enough
of
a
consensus
around
that
that
we're
going
to
go
with
that
change.
Okay,
so
then,
finally,
we
had
a
comment
about
kind
of
the
allocation
on
police.
A
A
B
B
When
we
see
those
results,
because
I
know
public
safety
does
play
a
very
heavy
weight
in
the
survey
and
the
comments
that
our
citizens
rank.
So
I'm
real
interested
to
see
how
that
lands,
because
if,
if
the
residents
really
truly
value
our
police
and
fire,
I
think
we
really
need
to
adhere
to
what
our
residents
are
are
speaking
on
and
what
they
value
most.
B
So
I
I
I
know
at
some
point
you
know
there
there
has
to
be
some
kind
of
cuts.
I
I
just
don't
see
it
being
complete
zero,
but
I'd
like
to
minimize
it,
and
even
if
it's
noise,
mr
chair,
it's
a
to
me
it's
a
cut.
If
I
see
money
being
taken
out,
it's
a
cut,
so
I
I
would
like
to
kind
of
post
not
postpone
but
kind
of
put
into
the
parking
lot,
the
police
budget
and
fire
budget
until
we
can
see
more
information.
B
B
I
just
don't
see
us
coming
forth
with
anything
below
three
percent
or
even
close
to
a
zero
we're
gonna
have
to
have
we're
going
to
have
to
pay
for
something,
and
I
just
don't
know,
I
just
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
at
that
zero
by
the
time
we
get
through
the
rest
of
the
exercise.
So
part
of
me
says:
let's
just
focus
on
the
three
and
five
percent
and
see
where
that
takes
us.
A
H
Well,
I
mean,
I
think
the
council
has
to
make
a
decision
if
they
want
to
be
perceived
as
raising
taxes
or
not,
and
that
that
will
have
to
ultimately
be
their
political
judgment
and
we've
got
to
lay
out
for
them
some
options
if
they
decide
to
go
zero
tax
increase.
That's
me
the
perception
and
they
have
to
recognize
them.
H
What
the
trade-offs
are,
because
you
can't
there's
it's
fantasy
to
say
that
don't
raise
my
taxes
and
don't
cut
things
in
this
environment,
that's
fantasy,
and
so
we've
got
to
have
a
very
honest
debate
and
tee
up
really
hard
choices
for
the
public.
So
I
would
argue
to
make
sure
we
keep
it
in
there
and
again
not
to
beat
a
dead
horse
here.
But
if
we
hold
public
safety
harmless
this
year
and
we're
back
here
again
in
a
year
and
it's
worse,
it's
going
to
be
that
much
more
difficult.
I
And
I
would
echo
what
josh
just
said
as
well.
I
think
part
of
the
the
ask
that
we
were
given
was
to
make
these
hard
decisions
and
to
what
joshua
said
to
hold
certain
departments
to
a
different
standard
than
others
would
be
doing
a
disservice
to
the
city.
So
I'd
like
to
have
that
robust
conversation.
Now,
while
we
have
the
chance
whether
it's
if
it
gets
better,
then
it
gets
better.
If
it
doesn't,
then
we've
started
that
so
that
it
makes
the
future
discussions
easier.
A
Comments:
okay,
so
those
were
the
kind
of
items
that
we
were
going
to
go
back
and
review.
Are
there
any
other
things
based
on
where
we're
at
that
people
want
to
bring
up?
So
I
think
what
we're,
if
it
turns
out
that
there
aren't
what
we're
likely
to
do
is
to
adjourn
we'll
update
this
list.
So
you
see
the
final
set
of
stuff,
we'll
get
the
remaining
items
from
that.
The
staff
said
that
they
were
going
to
be
providing
that
would
that
would
come
out.
A
We
would
meet
next
week
to
have
a
final
look
and
see
if
we're
at
a
point
where
we
think
that
the
the
three
options
that
we
put
together
are
something
that
we
want
to
transmit
to
the
console
and
then,
if
that
turns
out
to
be
the
case,
then
send
those
along
so
I'll
kind
of
call
at
this
point
for
anything
that
anybody
wants
to
bring
up.
But
that's
at
this
point,
because
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
I
don't
want
to
have
too
much
new
come
up
next
week.
E
E
And
I'm
wondering
if
building
off
of
some
of
the
sentiment
that
josh
just
expressed,
I'm
wondering
if
now
that
we
know
the
maximum
levy
of
the
county
and
the
maximum
levy
of
the
school
district
and
the
special
districts,
I'm
wondering
if
that
could
just
be
expanded
to
include
the
other
property
tax
leviers.
If
you
will
so
that
in
the
far
right
column,
you'd
actually
see
what
a
five
three
and
zero
percent
city
levy
increase
would
mean
for
the
overall
property
tax
bill.
For
that
median
value
home
at
three
percent.
E
It
goes
down
and
I
think
it
might
be
useful
for
the
public
conversation
and
understanding
that
that
be
demonstrated,
and
it
might
help
the
council
members
too,
to
you
know
maybe
have
that
math
done
ahead
of
time
for
them,
so
maybe
for
next
week.
If
we
just
see
what
that
looks
like,
I
would
appreciate
it.
I
think.
A
D
H
A
A
One
of
them
is
being
preferred
from
the
committee
because
we're
not
we've
decided
that
and
we
we
haven't
been
asked
to
do
a
preference,
but
if,
if
people
have
a
particular
scenario
that
they
think
is
the
right
scenario
for
the
council
to
do,
I
think
committee
members
should
send
individual
messages
to
the
council.
Saying
I'm
on
the
committee,
and
you
know
I
support.
I
support
the
the
set
of
scenarios
that
the
committee
has
put
forward.
If
it
was
my
decision,
I
would
be
picking
this
one
and
here's
why.
A
I
think
the
council
would
appreciate
that
particular
kind
of
input.
It's
not
required,
but
if
you,
if
you
want
a
particular
scenario
represented
as
the
one
that
the
council
that
you
would
favor
for
the
council
to
do,
I
think
people
can
put
their
individual
opinions
forth
on
that,
and
I
would
you
know,
encourage
folks
to
do
that
in
the
form
of
an
email
to
the
council
secretary.
A
A
Okay,
so
I
think
we're
I'm
not
seeing
anybody
come
forward,
we're
kind
of
in
process
conversation
at
this
point.
I'm
not
here
hearing
anybody
coming
forward
with
anything
further
on
areas
that
they
wanted
to
talk
about.
So
I'm
going
to
declare
that
closed
for
tonight.
So,
what's
going
to
happen
next
week
is
you'll
get
a
revised
version
of
the
spreadsheet
that
has
the
change
related
to
the
arts.
A
Grants
that
we
talked
about
tonight
represented
in
that
you'll
also
have
the
information
from
the
staff
on
the
community
survey
and
kind
of
the
value
sorts
of
things
there,
and
ideally,
what
will
happen
next
week
is
we'll
come
back
and
folks
will
have
had
a
week
to
sleep
on
it
and
we'll
have
a
conversation
and
say:
okay,
that's!
These
are
the
three
options
that
we're
going
to
go
forward
with,
and
that
will
be
the
agenda
for
next
week.
So.
H
D
G
G
H
Mr
chair
yeah
go
ahead
up
I'll
second,
that
and
kind
of
a
decision-making
process.
I've
been
involved
in
the
past.
It's
called
a
course
of
action,
brief
in
which
you
lay
out.
These
are
your
three
options:
here's
some
pros
and
cons.
I
think
excellent
work's
been
done
here
and
then,
based
upon
our
perspective,
here's
our
recommendation,
yeah
and
then
you
know
the
decision
makers
take
that
and
they
can
reject
it
or
they
can
modify
it,
but
at
least
it
goes
forward.
So
I
would
I'd
second
that.
A
We
were
asked
to
propose
three
scenarios,
and
so
I've
tried
to
stick
fairly
closely
to
what
we've
been
asked
to
do
with
respect
to
the
council,
and
you
know
as
it
as
I
think
it
was
josh.
I
talked
about
earlier
there's
a
political
calculus
to
this
at
the
council
level
that
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
here
in
the
committee
and
and
so
I'm
that's
that's.
Why
that's?
Why
I'm
wary
about
it?
A
If
it
was
the
consensus
of
the
group
that
we
ought
to
come
and
stand
behind,
one
particular
choice,
I'd
support
the
group's
feeling
on
that,
but
I've
I've
tried
to
I've
tried
to
be
fairly
kind
of
tried
to
try
to
follow
what
the
council
has
asked
us
to
do
fairly
strongly
as
part
of
the
process
and
they-
and
they
specifically
didn't
ask
us
to
make
to
choose
one
of
them
as
a
favorite
child.
So.
G
Mr
chairman
yeah,
I
had
the
impression
that
the
council
gave
us
an
order
that
that
was
recommended
to
them.
I
don't
think
that
they
said
don't
make
a
recommendation.
I
think
that
in
the
presentation
we
said
we'll
give
you
three
choices
and
they
say:
okay,
I
don't
see
how
they
would
object
to
it
at
all.
F
A
B
B
B
B
A
And
I
think
you
know
the
other.
The
other
thing
is
I
I
think,
if
I
think
it
actually
makes
it
in
some
respects
easier
for
the
council
to
have
a
conversation
incorporating
the
information
that
they
have
with
what
we
provide.
If
we,
if
we
don't
have
a
committee
recommendation,
we
just
have
three
options,
because
it
puts
them
in
a
position
where
they
have
to.
They
have
to
kind
of
incorporate
all
that
information
together
and
make
a
decision
around
it.
A
A
So
we
don't
have
to,
we
don't
have
to
decide
on
this
until
next
week,
so
we
can
give
that
a
little
bit
of
thought.
But
at
least
you
know,
I
I
heard
some
support
for
having
a
specific
recommendation,
but
not
strong
enough
where
I'd
say
that
there's
a
consensus
around
it
right
now
and
certainly
will
be
interesting.
If
we
decide
that
we're
going
to
do
it,
how
we
actually
get
to
a
consensus
on
what
number
we
pick,
which
I
think
you
know
could
could
be
a
pretty
substantial
conversation
by
itself.