City of Bloomington, MN Home Improvement Seminars, 17 Jan 2012

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From YouTube: Bloomington HRA: Choosing and Installing the Proper Water Heater for your Home (2011)

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Learn about the many options available for water heaters, how they function, their efficiencies and which may be most appropriate for your home.

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Summers being sponsored by the boys and Housing Authority, we do everything from redeveloping underutilized sites on the city to take them down.

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Latitude structures, I get to the ocean right now and we offer home from the loans for me to some of the repairs here to talk about this this evening. He sea water compartment didn't want me to tell you that they think their water is good and if you're thinking about doing something with softwares or filtration system, ask them to give you a readout of your walk of shame.

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Otherwise, Marvin stone from home depot he's a master plumber is been working with a plumbing. Since he's a teenager he's going to hear presenter and they'd like to thank you for calling in campus tour.

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Thanks Tom how's it going guys it's on water heaters, water heaters filters, it's one of the more exciting topics within your home. It's kind of out of sight out of mind, but yet you can't live without it.

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Any questions. Do you want to hear some of my horror stories right off the get-go? What not to do I've been plumbing since I've been approximately 14 years old, I'm, almost 40 years older now so I guess I've put in a few million water heaters.

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The seminar also doesn't it it's gonna I'm, going to teach you or explain to you how to choose the right size? What is more practical to what's more economical, there's a lot of things that can you? Can you hear in the market that are available to us, but yet they're, not practical they're, not cost-effective. Some of them take 20 years to recoup the money that it takes for the install of them. Yes, they can be efficient. Yes, they can be nice, but let's be realistic.

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We usually stay in their homes 15-20 years at the most, maybe 30. Some of us are exceptions to the rule. Any questions off the get-go- yes, yes, um love to yep. It is a request in writing. Bad about him.

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Sure um I, unfortunately, didn't have a big enough vehicle to bring all the lot of years that we have at home depot or, although wat, here's that we have available on the market. I have my car today. So that's why I have the little 60 on eater there's. Basically, three types of wat eaters, the electric, the gas and the hybrid hybrid- has the newest things on the market. There's what's called a heat pump water heater?

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They also have tank the tankless ones, they're instant, there's, pros and cons of both the gas and electric have been around. Literally. Since we can remember the electric is by far it's a hundred percent efficient, meaning that you what you pay for you are using. The problem is the cost of the electricity. It can actually be more expensive to run then electric and it fluctuates with year to year the natural gas was brought out to kind of counteract the cost of electricity.

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They have more efficient models like you're, referring to the power vent, a power vent water heater is a fan, assisted blower up on top of the water heater that helps draw the exhaust through the water heater and an evacuates out the side of the house. Therefore, making insulation really well a nice choice. When you have a bad flu within your house, some sometimes the houses, the flus go bad. That can be a rather costly repair on the home.

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So a couple hundred hours more you have the water heater with the fam works, absolutely wonderfully well there. They also do qualify for the factory rebate, that federal rebate. So you get a little federal bonus at the end of the year for putting a more efficient water heater in.

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Do's and don'ts about water heaters, the biggest thing: cities love to nail homeowners and clean plumbers alone. These are wonderful, except they're, not they're not allowed they work. Well, they make installation very easy. Anybody can hook them up. They literally have swollen nuts. You just tighten them up and you go. The problem. Is the inner diameter inspector see them? They say? No call me when you get it fixed and a lot of times. They don't need to tell you how to fix it, but I'm, sorry, louder.

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Okay, it's called the flexible connection, most houses around the neighborhood have galvanized piping or copper tubing very flexible. You literally just bend it and you can get to all kinds of wonderful conditions or situations that you're in so other manufacturers came out with ones like this. It's a stainless steel braided hose the problem. Is it's not full flow inspector? See them and they go. You know whoops, it's not going to pass you're going to have to get something up. Full flow full-size.

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My two very simple, very easy. If you don't plan on moving they're perfect, it's when you go to sell your house, there's a truth and housing lender that will come in into an inspection on your home. This is by far the closest one we have that will pass. Some inspectors say: yes, no problem go ahead, some inspectors, if they're having a bad day and they throw the book at you, they're- going to go and open open, open, write it up and you're going to say: let's get it out of here.

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What they want to see is the full size, pipe three-quarter inch minimum and it cannot be smaller than the openings on the heater. It actually says right in the code book. It has to be a three quarter, size or larger. All of our water heaters that are sold in Minnesota all have three quarter openings. They don't want to fight the code writers within the state. It's a battle, they're not going to win.

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There's soldering: that's the only way you can actually do the copper connections. There are new techniques on the top of a water heater, especially a guess when they have metal pipes coming out at the top. It's called the flue pipe Wow. There's plastic pipes out of the market, the pecks, the CPVC they're, much easier to install than the copper or even any malleable pipe. The thing that inspectors want to see is you may tane a minimum 6 inch clearance from that metal exhaust because it does get hot. It is a flammable source.

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It can actually ignite anything. Flammable plastic is flammable, so you have to maintain a six inch clearance around the pipes. Mind you there eight inches on center, so you have a 4-inch pipe coming up. The middle I have two inches away. It has to be of a non-flammable pipe.

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There are tricks around it. That's why these when you see the flexible connectors they're made out of metal, they were trying to comply with that rule. That says it has to be non flammable.

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One of the greatest things that hit the market was a sharkbite fitting. It is a full size, it is metal and it means that you can actually connect us without soldering when I first seen it I said, there's no way. That's a joke! Anal. When I first tried it. That's a water tight connection. I'm done, you can literally snap these things together. Boom you're done you're moving on. It's called shark bite yep.

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They have teeth inside here and I'll pass one around her a bunch of rail, but they literally have stainless steel teeth inside here that don't rust, don't corrode, don't ever go bad, there's also an o-ring inside here they make it so that it's a sealed Oh ring what kills all rings is oxygen, the more oxygen that gets on those old rings. It literally drives Mountain cracks them. That's why old rings?

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And/Or rubberized parts within the plumbing systems always fail: brilliant, brilliant, the guy who invented it, I'm sure he's sitting on some beach wishing he was writing letters or doing something else, but he's not working right now. I guarantee that yes before the water, anything in water. Yes, no gas, absolutely not nothing yet maybe someday, but nothing yet the problem with these they're expensive. There are five bucks of hitting the nice thing. Is you don't need any tools? Very quick, very easy, very reusable.

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You can reuse them many many many times they make little wonderful tools to remove them. If I tried without this tool, trying to get this off, I have a little a wreck. My shoulders pull every muscle, pull every ligament, it's not going to come off, but there's a little demo clip on here. It walks it right off very reusable, a lot of remodels love. It makes for changing our water heaters very simple. You don't need unions, they're separable. You can change them out incredibly, but easy.

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Water heaters all come I shouldn't, say all majority of them come with dielectric nipples coming out the top. Did anybody ever heard of a dielectric Union, it's a device that was created back in the 70s to actually counteract the electrolysis that can happen between galvanized, pipe copper and then going back to galvanized. All the water heaters have galvanized tanks and they always have so between switching from metal from galvanized piping.

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To let's say you went to a copper pipe and then back to a galvanized again there's what's called electrolysis, it's a natural occurrence between dissimilar materials, the basically the materials break down they fight each other. So they made this dielectric Union the problem. Is they don't work very well after about five years they start to loosen up. They start to drip. They turn all these wonderful, green white, wonderful, colors, coming out the top of your water heater and you're going. Oh man I got a plumbing project on my hands.

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Again they lasted on the market for about 10 years. Most inspectors don't even enforce that you'd put them in. They are still in the code book that you have to have them. Manufacturers of water heaters went one step further. They made dielectric nipples, so we don't need to bother with those anymore. So with whatever water heater, you choose they're, going to come with a three-quarter iron pipe threads coming out the top or the three quarter inch female iron pipes.

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If you wanted to, you could easily get the sharkbite adapters that actually screw right onto them and you can plug your copper in put a coupling up a little bit higher above it put them together and away. You go it's that that's simple, I lose anybody! I talk fast when I'm nervous- and you guys are staring at me, so I'm getting nervous. Okay, a little louder. Okay,.

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Yep solo on the inlet and the outlet now the one thing anybody know what this is the ball valve. It's full flow want to see a closer. Every water heater needs to have one. It is literally to shut the water heater off in case. Let's say you had a 15 20 year old water, heater water heaters only have a shelf life literally of 10 to 15 years. Nowadays, the older ones when they first came out they'd make it 20 30 40 years. They made things better back in the day, so it after about 15 years.

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What usually happens is you start getting noises? Your water heater will wake you up in the middle of night, you'll hear this thud and you're gonna be like where the hell did I come from. They also randomly drop the bottoms out, and it's usually after you have the warning sign, which is the the banging. What you're actually hearing is the center pipes or the heating elements within the water heater? It's expanding and contracting. It's the cold water. Getting next to this hot surface, which is actually heating it. So it's expanding and then contracting.

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When you start hearing these banging noises, you usually have typically a month to maybe a year its that's. Your first warning sign good time to really start evaluating pricing out. What and where should I go to get a new auditor? Because it's going to happen, it's going to happen soon. They do sell out on the market wonderful little electronic devices called like watch dogs or other electronic devices that actually sense water. That is on the floor. You literally it gives you a whole lot of warning there about ten dollars.

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It's a huge insurance investment, there's nothing worse than going downstairs in Villa night and you have ankle-deep water because your water heater let out and there's no one down there to tell you.

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Water heaters have changed, and literally in the last five years, how many people have a water heater with the legs still on them a little there's about an inch and a half gap underneath er. They don't do that anymore reason being is you're, naturally wet damp environment on cement, cement and metal, don't mix and make some rust after so many years of rusting they get very weak. What can happen is that water here can tip over what it's doing. It's actually putting stress on the water lines. The water lines are actually holding it up.

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What do you think happens when it tips over snap? Those modeling's literally break off right at that connection, where you soldered, because once you heated that up that's actually a little bit weaker spot in that metal.

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So now what they actually do is they make one foot the whole entire base just about every water heater you're going to buy one big flat surface, it can't tip over now, so they taken the liability off them and it makes it a whole lot safer for everybody.

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Anybody have an idea what this is.

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Call the TNP temperature and pressure relief valve without this at the bomb. If these elements, this is electric gases and notorious there's a little sensor inside they're. All water has dissolved minerals in here these probes and they're, also on the electric ones they're also on the gas. If they get corroded with the elements in water, they literally build a bridge around it. It gets to the point where it's literally almost three-quarters of an inch around you can't pull it out.

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If it stays in the Jalan, it basically makes the water heater can't tell how hot it is, so it tells it that it's still cold. It just keeps cooking. It's boiling. It's building steam its billing pressure. Without this, it literally can go shooting up and out be rough, so it detects at 150 psi. It will actually start to drip and relieve the pressure if the water temperature gets over boiling. I believe it is 210 degrees. It will also start the drip.

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A lot of people like to use this valve as a draining point you literally, are going to be buying a new ten-dollar, fitting.

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Been around since water heaters, every watt eater has to have one of these there about ten dollars they literally screw and there's male threads. If they, if they start to drip, that's your warning sign. That means it's bad. It's time to replace it. It's one of the best ten dollar safety devices you actually have in your home. Most kids, don't even know what it is.

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Mind you in plumbing and I know it's a zone, water heaters, but we're dealing with plumbing all iron pipe threads, which is basically the universal pipe thread in all plumbing. We need to flaunt tape. These are very deep threads they're. Also tapered. There's a there's tricks that plumbers know how to make their life easier after screwing in a few hundred fittings every single day, you're going to be either a he-man or you can be really really tired, teflon tape, it's a deep thread sealant, it's also a bulker.

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If you put too much on you're just going to make it hard for you, we have a rule of thumb, no more than five times around minimum of five, no more than eight any more than that you're, just adding bulk. Therefore, theoretically, splitting the brass any questions so far, like I said you guys are still staring I'm getting nervous a.

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Plumber's trick liquid lubricant sealant Teflon enriched it sells for about two and a half dollars, but by putting this on, you can make every plumbing connection. I could teach 14 year old apprentices by using this on all of our thread together. Fittings I, don't have to worry about them having a leak, they can actually feel confident and doing it. I do both every time. I have a male thread connection whenever I'm screwing things together, I do both teflon tape and the pipe thread sealant together.

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I go five to six times around with this and then I. Do a nice smooth, just a very thin little amount, but it's squish it together. It lubricates it. You can send them home where they need to be, and I don't have to have sore shoulders when I'm done two different colors. So.

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There's two different colors one is yellow, one is white. Obviously, white is plumbing it's universal for all. It works on plastics, it works on the metals. Anybody know what the yellow stands for correct. Now: they're trying to universal color coded things within the plumbing world yellows gas blue is one GG, cold, water and I'm on the spot. I can't remember all, but there's literally a whole chart full of them, and it needs to be labeled in commercial and or multifamily dwellings. So gas, water.

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How many people have ever change Delta, wat eater and if you had the gas not be in the exact same spot, when you disconnected the hard piping broke, the Union and nelson, you were like okay, we need to get a threader for a few thousand dollars or we need to do something flexible gas lines notice the color, it's okay, to be long. It's bad to be short. You can actually coil it up.

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Next to it, they come with a male fitting in a female fitting and the same things that we had on her gas, except one has a flair and there's literally, they make a difference. One is actually has a beveled edge and that's where we're getting a seal on it, you can actually see the bevel edge here. This is an I, your pipe, not that it's that exciting, but some people have no idea what they're holding.

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So these really make your life simple and or if they're off. You can literally have make this not so pretty, but it does work wonderfully well, it's a life. It is code now correct, but there's a rule about it, see the yellow sheeting on it. There's a bunch of products out on the market that early stainless steel and they call this corrugated, it's wrinkled. You can bend it it's not going to kink. It has to have the static guard on it.

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Being that this gas is going through here, it's actually causing static, electricity or a cling. It can cause the negatively charged atoms within the air to actually pit this product. Without this coating it can actually weaken it. So a lot of appliances come from overseas. I hate to a minute, but they all come with a silver gas line. If it's a gas.

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Yes, and no, the ones that I have here are literally probably about twice the amount of beats use that you really need.

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The flex ones for the water have to be of what's called full flow. If I measure the inside diameters, that's 5 a's, and that's why the inspector can say that's smaller than the full flow of three-quarter-inch on gas. They already did the engineering. They already told us help close it's same same principle, but water is very that's where the inspectors like to get the reinspection fee.

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Galvanized with a gas water heater with an electric water heater, you can actually run plastic right to the top there's no flammable source there with a power vent water, heater and now this is a pro about power, vanuatu eaters. It has a plastic flu, there's no flammable source there. It actually draws in fifty percent ambient air, which is what we're breathing at 70 degrees, mixed with the to 300 degree gas drops it back down 150 degrees, or even less than that, you can actually run a plastic flew there.

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Shark shark play whatever I woke up now. Has this great nephew? They come every possible fitting. You can.

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Correct there's T's, there's 90s, there's valves, there's shut off valves, there's unions there's slip couplings, you name it they're, they're out there exactly exactly the only ones that really don't have. It is a 4570 nyet, but normally people are using 90s because that's the industry standard. What plumbing is it's always 90 degrees on your water and then they also have the flexible gas lines but now mind you. That's only where that six. That flu is that you have to maintain that six inch clearance where metal is after your 6 inches, you can go to pecs.

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You can go to see PVC any kind of water. Pipe that you have. You can go back to galvanise. You can do whatever you want, then that's crucial. Only on that flew coming out that gas, water heater on.

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Normal I'm, using as a general case here, but most body heaters when they have a flue pipe coming out the top. They literally rise up approximately one foot and then they turn 90 degrees, so they literally get away from the water heater right away. So once it turns 90 degrees and you're six inches above it, you can go to whatever water pipes you have in your house. It's just within that realm of that heat source with a flammable source is where you have to be protected from them. The fire.

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Any questions or more on water, here's, the I, know I didn't touch on the tankless. Yet any questions on tankless water heaters, gas.

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Is your requirement of gas.

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Appliance within your home, there has to be a shutoff valve within three feet of that appliance. Correct, correct I do like to argue with inspectors when they tell me that I need a shutoff fell behind and appliance because if that thing's on fire, there's no chance in heck that I'm going to be crawling over the burning, oven or dryer trying to shut this thing off. Therefore, I like to put them at both ends: I'll shut it off here and then, when that finally goes off, then I'll set it off.

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Here they do the valve within three feet: it's more for moving or exchanging of appliances when you're moving or you're buying a new one. You don't want to go downstairs up and back and down. You want to make it as easy. Can you can shut it off at that valve? Add your show, add your Quick Connect and it is human nature to save a couple dollars and they buy like the two foot or even the 12-inch gas line.

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They're meant to have about three feet of extra gas line behind every fixture or every appliance, and that's for ease of moving that thing out of the way making your connection sliding it back.

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So there you're correct that all appliances do need the shut-off valves on them. The other crucial thing is: um it's called the drip leg. Natural gas is very humid by nature, so the more you use it, the more humidity you're getting condensation on the inside of the pipes.

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They want a drip leg, it's literally a piece of pipe with a cap, and then lily is screwed into a tea and the tea is actually adhered or screw it into the appliance, and then that's where we put the adapter into the tea at the top and that sort of make a quick connection. Yes,.

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Yes, yep yep any questions on the electric er standard gas, water heaters; okay, yes,.

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If it's not telling you the warning signs, which is the wet floor around it, it's a tall tale sign. That means that something's dripping something's crack. The weld is broken. If it's not telling you that it's bad and it's working, why fix it? If it ain't broke, it will literally be banging at you, it will literally be dripping and it starts off slow once it starts getting more prevalent and more rapid I would consider it really quick. The longest water heater I've ever heard in was actually 64 years. I said, you've got your money's worth.

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No, no actually there's some well waters and we're talking more further up in the Iron Range, where they have a lot of iron, tannins and other other acidic areas now the bunt of water that actually this is by far some of the I shouldn't say some of the nicest. But if you want it's, not bad, it's actually really decent water.

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Right now, you will have to put.

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When you go to replace it, you might want to consider a new location, maybe a little more accessible.

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Was probably keep in mind, you wanted more floor space, so he tucked it in trying to do you. A favor, yeah.

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It happens. Well, that's Oh,.

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At least I to know.

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To apply we're.

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Gonna kill and.

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We got those feet on a roll, a Chanel show signs of rust. They.

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Will- and you will actually notice one day that your water heater is starting to you know you might not notice that at first, but if you're aware that water heaters can actually tip over, you would kind of notice that it's kind of leaning in or your pipes aren't quite as straight as it used to be. You can actually look underneath. What happens is the leg? Is there should be straight up and down it tips that'll be the first thing once it tips. Is there still structural support there, but it's going to give you warning signs.

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It's going to be. Look it's going to look different to you. You can actually take the time right now and find like a brick or something that isn't going to rust and actually slide it underneath there to prevent it from tipping and that's a lot of people do they'll actually get something to prop it up and they'll. Do it in three or four different spots. However, many legs you have, or whatever you're more comfortable with but they'll prop it up and they'll slide something underneath there to take the legs out of the equation.

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For the most part, down.

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Yes, here we going to sing machine insured against failure, but I figured out the P come on, say what we can together. I think so many fun with her burner rusty carbon junk out of it. No, it did wonders for the little operation where a.

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Shopback works just as easy: a shop vac because there's an orifice in there, it's actually under pressure, so you don't have to worry about the gases or anything falling into the orifice where the gases come out, it's actually protected by that whole entire burner, it's actually right in the center of it. So if you're having debris land on the burner, it's literally just a big bowl, it's just catching it. It doesn't hurt anything, it doesn't look well, but a shopback. You can actually get in there. You can actually vacuum it out.

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That's the easiest thing to do. That's the easiest thing to do. There is actually three pipes that come out of a actually some of the older ones. Hni only had two, there was a pilot and then a main burner. Now they have a thermocouple. A thermocouple is literally a device that senses that the pilot is working. Some of the older ones didn't have that and that's how it the pilot went out and we'll still blow in the gases audience a natural disaster with gas coming out those wat eaters, I'm, sorry, you will not damage it.

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I mean if now it depends on how you vacuum I mean some people are very brutal with their vacuums they like to bang the end of that thing on kind of hanging around. So, if you're gentle in there, you can kind of vacuum it out. You can probably get ninety percent of it no problem, and literally it's just a natural oxidization of the galvanized pipe on the flue pipe. Yes,.

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Great fluoridation, it was immersed in one word or two feet up on that: watermark selig I walked by only one lasts about two months. Well, do math feels awful. Oh it's still running funny. They.

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About the baby.

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I thought I'd one point that they plunged the bottom hem. You know that as it stirs that that I don't want to say, but it's kind of somewhere between a gorilla thing. It's.

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Actually, micro, air bubbles collecting together and it is a burp basically water- is it really is the sediment down the bottom?

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They preach us to us in school that we're supposed to actually teach the homeowners when we're installing the water here that every six months, that's what manufacturers recommend that you literally take a gallon of water out of the bottom you're, literally removing the sediment and or the sand the suspended harder elements within water they all when you heat up the water, the water is moving a lot faster than sediments, also heavier. It settles on the bottom. That's what kills the majority of all water heaters as you heat water? What does it do?

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It boils if there's a lot of sand sediment sludge down the bottom. It gets trapped there if that's pure oxygen right along a galvanized or tin tank. It has no choice, but the rust, the rust then over time weakens the metal, therefore creating a leak.

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Therefore, the more of an area, the more the water heater wants to drop all at the bottom, so they say that every six months you're supposed to do it if at most twice a year, they recommend once a year is a must I'm a plumber by trade I, don't think of every time. I always just get done. Work and I don't want to work on mine. Yes, sir.

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Yeah, yes, sir I had a lot of trouble when I tried to take that water out of the bottom, trying to get it up to close back off type. Is that a common issue.

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It is, and it's not- manufacturers have found ways of making their products less expensive to build. They use very inexpensive parts. They use plastic. It's literally a two planes that literally kind of 45. Together they literally create a seal. It's not the best on the market. They used to create brass ones, real ones. If you ever notice that when you go open it and you try to close it and you can't get it to seal literally unscrew it out, let's put a brass one in this place. It costs about five dollars.

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This one will last the life of the water here, the one that comes in there, the more you use it, the more likely it's going to literally leak, and it's literally a way that they can save five dollars. So, if I've dollars on every water here, let's say they make a few hundred thousand. It's a lot of money, so mind you. If it does leak, replace it you'll be much happier, they purposely don't put a handle on there.

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Anybody know I little kids love to turn things, guess what it's going to burn their toes, so the Department of Health says for our kids for our own safety. So we don't burn our toes, let's not put a handle on there, so they put a screwdriver slot in there. Not many kids walk around with screwdrivers they shouldn't, but it they do have a way of turning out off. It is literally a true valve that has a stop. It has a rubber seal in here it is rebuildable.

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You can literally it out, live the life of the water good, a good choice if you have a leaky valve any other questions. Yes,.

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Sir, did you mention blanket be mentioned?

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I have no one's mentioned that word. Yet there is water, heater, blankets out on the market. They were very popular back in the 70s and 80s very energy, conscious about let's save as much money as we can.

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Water heaters have at least an inch to an inch and a quarter of insulation on the right now, the ones back when they were first built. They didn't have that much insulation and that's why the water, heater blankets were actually introduced into the market, the amount of energy that you actually lose out of the water heater. It is actually a good thing. It actually helps to heat the house. It's usually near your furnace, the basements are usually cold. It does get reused that you're not actually losing it.

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Is it a good idea to actually save money on that on your water? So it's not running in not wasting the heat out the side of it out the pipes yeah.

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Know what anytime you can save money on that? Absolutely it's a good idea. It's not required, though, because they actually have the installation already in the tank. It's also a safety I, don't know how many water heaters I've seen, but the metal that they use here, it's ten, it's very thin. You can literally dent it with your knee.

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You can dent it with the dropping in sliding it out your vehicle, so the insulation actually protects the tank from damage, there's literally about an inch and a quarter of insulation there, unless you hit it with a forklift or running over with your vehicle, you're, probably not going to damage the tank. Yes,.

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Fiberglass my chance.

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I, don't know how that's constructed.

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Are not actually the fiberglass is a protective cover over the insulation. It's actually usually a glass lined tank, so there's actually a glass on the inside. It is not fibrous. It is a hundred percent waterproof, there's nothing that residual that you can get out of it, even the old ones. Now they lasted too long because they didn't decompose manufacturers weren't, getting the turnaround on the replacement water heaters. They didn't stick around that long because they realized that hate we're losing money.

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They did actually work really real, although they still make them nowadays they make him more for in electric in the off-peak world in 105, gallons or larger. So they still do exist, though.

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Yes, sir, did you talk about venting.

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All a little bit, you have a specific question. Maybe I can help what.

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Is it? Is anybody from.

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The city of Bloomington code enforcement here.

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hahaha We won't ask names or addresses somebody.

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Told me that the my water heater has been dedup through the chimney and you're not allowed to do that. What kind of chimney fire place apartments.

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That is a no no reason being is on a fireplace the temperature of those exhaust gasses are literally about three times hotter than what you would get out of your furnace or your Waddy ater. Therefore, if it's a natural draw, it can be going out faster. What it does. It will actually pull the pilot flame right off the actual mom pilot assembly, so you actually blown out your pilot flame. By doing that, you run the risk of it.

B

Therefore, it's a natural gas potentially leak. It also can evacuate the gas is too quick, I'm, not letting it cool down. You will get red-flagged. It is not legal. They do not want you to do that. I'm.

I

Not sure that's true policy I'm.

B

Just a plumber by trade but I've seen that were they they will have separate flu chases in there. There won't be one for a fireplace and there'll be another.

I

One will, or maybe it may be, for example, you know what I mean separate cyber.

B

Side that I have seen not if they install.

I

A new one: typically, they wouldn't use a eventing like that. No.

B

They will, they will talk to you or they will persuade you into going with. What's called a power vent watt heater where the water here will literally Draft out separately out the rim of your house and that's more of the direction that will try and get you it's yes, it'll come out approximately ground level or a foot above, oh, and that is actually into the inspectors or even the builders. The building inspection, that's gonna, be his call I'm, just letting it as a plumber standpoint. What I've known what they've taught me!

B

That's not code combined, mind you. They don't do that anymore. It might be before my time so I don't have a hundred ten percent certainty that it is. It isn't legal, but my guess is it's not legal yep.

E

Why here bend it to the furnace, not.

B

At all, it's just the fireplace just a fireplace yep, yep they've literally nowadays, in new construction. They have what's called a double wall. Pipe and they'll literally run a 5 inch pipe up and out your house and they'll tie the 4 inch flew from your water heater. The 4 inch flew from your furnace they'll time together, mind you! This is actually a specific one for tankless water heater, but a double wall pipe is literally a fire resistant pipe. The inner pipe will get warm.

B

There's an air gap here to help retain the heat inside here, so that this isn't as hot on double wall pipe. You can be within one inch clearance. You don't have to be 6 inches, which it can be a critical thing on water heaters when you're coming up from the top there. So there there is tricks to getting around it.

B

If you're stuck mind you it's a loophole that you got to fight with your inspector and a lot of people, don't really want to fight with the inspector they want to move on or do whatever they got to do. Yes, so.

H

With the venting our current water here top, we have a high-efficiency furnace that direct end up.

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H

We place our water use any benefit to link to a power vent or the.

B

Benefit of going to a power vent is it's a sealed combustion. Just the exhaust gases are going out, the pros of or the con of having a what's called a B vent. It's just the style type, the double wall. You lose a lot of heat through this. It literally goes right up and out through the rough. You don't know it, but it does lose a lot of BT.

H

B

Other the other con against it is without that furnace. It never truly gets up to temperature, where it will literally resist the rusting that can occur. You literally need a large amount of BTUs, a large amount of temperature to keep it evaporate the water that can occur in the exhaust. You can always see that in the steam that's coming out the top of your house, but by getting it hot enough, you Lily evacuate the water up and out, and that's why you always see icicles coming out around these things.

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H

B

Yep yep and then they can actually cap off. They can actually flash it or finish the roof, remove that pipe, and then you can actually have a little bit more economical on your heat loss through the roof. Now so there is a. There is a pro 2 at big time for the two or three hundred dollars difference in the cost of the water heaters from a standard water heater to a power vent towards me on dollars can be made up rather quickly in one winter.

B

Yes, yes, I am. That was in my next thing, help any other questions about the standard water. Yes,.

H

B

Water heaters is a standard rule of thumb, 40 gallons is the industry standard, 30 or the 30 gallon was typically, it was cost rated.

B

Everybody was in a penny pinch back in the 70s and that's when the 29 gallon water heater was introduced. It was meant for one person may be two on 40 gallons. You can have up to four people. Two adults, two kids mind you it's two showers. After two showers, the water heater has to recover.

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H

B

Yes, yep and it's gonna be different with every family, every person takes a different link shower and or the different temperature.

H

B

Currently do yeah.

H

B

A good time for a.

H

Very nice, so I worry about going smaller, I, wouldn't.

B

Recommend it with the size that of family of that size, you could possibly go to a 60, which is a high demand water heater. It just has a larger BTU burner. It just cooked the water faster, so I would probably stay with the 75 or 70, whichever you have yep.

B

D

Replacing and Justin guess what I see this six years.

D

B

Yep Home Depot has they've tried, making it simple for everybody. There's literally there's three models out there, there's a six-year a nine-year and a 12-year water heater good, better best good. Is the industry standard? It's price relative.

B

It hasn't changed in 70 years. Granted they put safety features on there. They put the sparker on there. They put an air scrubber on their meaning.

B

If you have again a gas can in front of it and it's sensing flammable vapors, it will not ignite, it would literally shut it off, so you have until you remove it, and then it senses that there's no more flammable vapors by switching from a six year, warranty to a nine year warranty on a water heater there's, what's called the drip tube on the inside of a water heater and that's actually the fill tube for the water, it's always on the cold side and what it does is it coming from the top it channel's the water all which, at the bottom, by putting the water, the cold water down it's pushing the hot water up there, for you have a continuous supply, it does have it, but it only has two jets on it to help stir the water and that's to help lift the sediment on the bottom that can occur on the nine-year water heater.

B

It has I believe seven to ten Jets. It stirs up that water, the more stirring you get, the more sediment, less reduction on the bottom, the longer the life of that water heater. That's probably the biggest engineering on that water heater. The other thing is they actually put. 3000 BTU is more on a nine-year water heater versus the six. It cooks, the water faster, not running as long the more the longer you run it, the more you're heating, the bottom of that water heater, the more likely that's going to fail.

B

So by changing just a couple little engineering on those water heaters, you can actually get three years longer life out of it very easily. Where they're comfortable saying we can put a warranty on here for 90 years granted, it might last 10 it might last 15.

B

It all depends on how you use it, what type of water and or what's in the bottom of it so the jetting in the fill tube or the drip tube- why they call it a drip to it doesn't make sense, but by stirring up the water, keeping it moving you're, actually creating introducing cold water to a little bit hotter water. There are creating the temperature you need, but you have literally a whirlpool inside your water heater.

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B

Buying a warranty, that's probably the only difference between a 9 and a 12 you're buying three years, and it's literally 60 bucks from difference. So for 60 bucks you get three more years and warranty out of it. That's the easiest way. I can describe it the granted they might put an extra jet in that drip tube on there. I just don't really have time to pull a trip to about and count these things.

B

That's the only difference. I've seen on them is literally the jetting between the 6 and the 9, and the 3000 be Toews.

B

No, no worries, no price does kind of reflect the quality that goes into it. It also does reflect how they're going to treat you with their warranties, the less you pay for things, the less likely they're going to have multiple people there for customer service lets that you have a problem with the moderator so for the few five ten fifteen dollars more, they might spend on a water heater they're going to have better customer service, and that is very true. Both market water heaters are very generally built the same.

B

The components that sense the flames, a flame sensor, a pilot they're continually trying to make them cheaper, less expensive to build. Stick with the name brand. Do Consumer Reports check things out. There are some work on water.

B

Here's on the market that I personally will not install and they are very available to all of us, and that's only because, if I have to put my name on it, I don't want to be called Labor Day weekend saying: hey I got a leak on this water heater and it's not my fault and I have to go back and fix it.

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Consumer reports.

B

There are some in the big box stores- yes up now and I'm, not trying to bad-mouth any retailer out here, because some people might be very loyal to.

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B

You have access to the Internet look at Consumer Reports. You can actually read people's thoughts and/or. What what they've written about them? Their experience that they've had with various types. You can get a lot of knowledge out of that, the power event water heater in particular, that is sold at not not at home people. It's actually. Our competitor does have a problem with their flame sensor, it literally every three or four months you have to go and there was sand paper and you actually have to clean the flame sensor.

B

It's maintenance I, don't like doing where it work on my own home I. Don't really want to go in there with sandpaper and clean anything, they're sharp edges, and that's just something that I've seen as a plumber and that's why I choose that if you're going to go that way, I'm going to spend if 52 extra dollars, I'm gonna get the better one, and that's just what I've seen it's a matter of personal opinion to some people like them, and some people don't I have particularly don't.

B

Know nope nope there was just one specific brand and most of time you can. You can only get it from a plumbing wholesale company, but one of the big box retailers actually bought that company out now they have them in their stores and that's how it kind of what I'm, referring to without bad-mouthing, like I'm, not trying to bad-mouth anybody, but most most of the time, and it's literally about ninety percent of them.

B

They're all good I, don't have any problem with there's just one manufacturer and one specific model that I literally carried 12 of these repair parts in my vehicle and when they call that was ready for it and I mean just it. Was that relevant. It was that prevalent.

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B

Yep um remanufacturers: that's who Home Depot carries it's the largest water heater manufacturer in the United States reen yeah they've been around forever they've been that's all they pretty much create. Is water heaters hum their tried and true they use GE is their warranting company.

B

It's a solid product. It really is, there's I, don't have anything bad to say about them. I would put one in my own home.

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B

The most bang for the dollar, in my mind, mount now mind you, some people hold values different to me. They like to having the warranty of 12 years. It is also a huge selling point within your home. If you're selling your home and a new homeowner looks at incoming and says they got 12 years left on their warranty. I like that. That gives me peace of mind, it's an easy selling point and for sixty dollars. It's a huge selling point.

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B

Would say it's rather small, but they actually really do treat the people that have traumas of the wat eaters. They literally save. You know what here's your new Auditor. It happens all the time and.

I

Then it includes labor, then it.

B

Does not there's a one year at our store? You can actually get the extended warranty, which does cover 12 years of Labor 12 years of parts in home. So.

I

What is it an average water heater cost.

B

Between three and four hundred dollars and then what's average labor so about four hundred dollars, so.

I

You're still you're only ensuring, after the cost of replacing.

B

There is a one year at home, labor, that's and that's relatively true about any of everything they have I'm use extra.

I

Warranty still only cover half its.

B

For the twelve years, yes, on the what you're buying in this our yes there is, there is options for you. You can buy extended, warranties and I'm as a consumer I, don't like them. I feel like I'm, being ripped off as a plumber, there's no way I'm going to change out a water heater for ninety nine dollars. So in 1215 years or if you let's say you bought the extended warranty for 12 years, let's say: I went out nine years from now. Let's say just something: bad happened: well, it happens.

B

It's real for ninety-nine dollars, they will come out, they will change it out and you don't pay a dime. It's it's actually worth its weight. Pay nine dollars now other ways pay the four or five hundred then so there is. There is pros and cons that what con is you have to come up with another hundred bucks?

B

Don't it's some people like that, some people don't I'm a plumber. I'm not gonna pay someone else, hundred bucks I. Do it I'm gonna, do it so for me it doesn't work, not one. My cell phone breaks yeah having that extended camera coverage on my phone yeah when I'm mad at somebody yeah it broke I, don't know how so sometimes it does work and that I in my mind, I think that's a fair value. I really do any other questions on the gas or electric water heaters.

D

Yep yourself, how does that terms of inspectors?

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B

Do-It-Yourself part of the Warriors um two things that there are three things that they're looking for one is the T&P valve that has to discharge with an 18 inches of the floor, they're looking for the two pipes to be metallic, a full-size coming out the top. They want to see pitch on that metal flu and that's really all there inspecting.

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Gp valve, where discharges they don't want it coming out four or five feet off the ground, because by the time it gets to the ground, it's a big funnel you can't get near it. Is it standard on the heater between it's very it comes out within the top six inches or the very top there's two locations, the top mount or a side mount. Ninety percent of them are side mount it's a top six inches of that wat either yep yep you just literally have to pipe it down to the ground.

B

It's very elementary or is very simple, but it does need to be close to the ground. It can't be on the ground. It just has to be able to discharge on the ground. So you can see something going on.

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Than 18 inches yep and I have my cards up here. You can more welcome to call me I work, let's say you're doing it and you have questions. Call me I'll be more happy to talk through it. ah They want to see the taint this dropped within 18 inches. They want to see none, they want to see metallic pipes coming up at least six inches of dis, dissipating at least six inches away from that flew.

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B

Flu has to be pitched up because natural hotter hot gases rise.

B

Should we move on to the more exciting one, the tankless water heaters and hybrids? Okay, anybody have any questions, any thoughts that anything you read that you wanna.

H

B

A tankless water heater, it literally held it holds, and between Jerry's various models.

B

They hold about 34 cups of water and that's all that's in it. There's literally a bunch of channels in here that the water has to pass through mind you, a normal water heater, has about 36,000 BTUs british thermal units hum this is 200,000 when it turns on your gas meter. Spinning- and it is spinning- mind you, your flu, coming out your wall out out of your house that vented your old water heater. It has the capabilities, and literally only 150,000 BTUs. This will overload it now.

B

You have a fire source going right up through your house. If you reuse your old flu, it cannot be done. It has to be vented out separately. Stainless steel is what the manufacturer recommends, because it doesn't collect heat as easily as galvanized or aluminum or 10.

B

Very efficient works absolutely wonderfully well, the biggest thing most people actually misconceive about them. Is you have hot water right now, where this is located in your basement, where your old water heater was located in a business in your basement, you have conductive properties within your pipes as the wall. Hot water is going through the pipes and a disc urges out there. Yes, it is hot right, then the minute you quit using that water there's still hot water there, but let it sit for an hour to that pipe will conduct all that hot water.

B

Out of there you're left with lukewarm water. You have to lose at lukewarm water to get new hot water out of it.

B

It just doesn't actually coming from it's going to be a lot quicker. It's going to be right there, the ground action has an hour value. It does actually retain a little bit of the heat better than the air on the air, literally Rob those types of all the BTUs another Conda. This a lot of people have what's called recirculating pumps with this type of water heater. You can literally recirculate the water from your furthest fixture at a slow rate, therefore keeping the water hot at that point of use those work.

B

Well this if you're moving that water, this thing's running it's turning out turning off. Turning on turning off turning on turning off you're, literally wearing the life right out of it, it doesn't like recirculating pumps, it has a turbine down here and what how that works is as the water is entering. It turns the turbine there for opening the gas valve inside here telling you to turn on. There is a little does require electricity and that's up where the thermostat comes in, but mind you there about a thousand dollars just for this unit.

B

Two hundred dollars would be to use right now: Oh normal water heaters, 400 a typical installations, 400 you're at 800 bucks. This is a thousand. It doesn't seem that bad. The problem is where's your water lines and your flu coming out on your water heater that you have in your basement at the top, this one's coming off the bottom. You have to redo your plumbing there's another additional installation, I like them. Don't get me wrong. I have a couple friends that actually have them in there.

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B

I, the positive is, let's say: you have family come over. Anyone. Everybody wants to take a shower. You've had that long road trip, everybody wants to take shower you're, never going to remount a hot water. They work. Well, a lot of people have jacuzzi tubs that take 90. You know 100 200 and downs. It depends on the size. This will do the problem. It'll fill it no problem brilliant in technology but mind you, there's some cons to it.

B

That are they kind of away me on saying it isn't practical for me for you for you for your situation. It might just be what you're looking for? What's that? No no I know what I'm saying, but for you and your situation, it might be what you're looking for.

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That you don't have sure this one keeps the water. Let's say it was a 40 gallon 50 on 70 gallon. These model heaters literally maintain that whatever temperature, if you have it at 170, 190, whatever water temp, you have it at 365, seven days a week, it's literally maintaining the temperature there's a pilot, it's literally on in the middle of night, when no ones used in water. It's maintaining this temperature. They call that a running usage, your it's using a natural gas resources when you're not required or requiring it to be working it.

B

There is an average cost of about three four hundred dollars a year to run a water heater. It depends on the price of gas or electric that you're using or this one, if you're not using it, it isn't on. So it just sits idle at a cabin that used one two or three times a year. It works wonderful, so I mean there's. There's situations for these that really do work. Well, the cost of installation is usually what deters people all water heaters require a half inch gasps sighs to these water heaters.

B

This one requires three quarter. It literally has to jump up. One pipe size usually have to modify your plumbing or your gassing system. It does get costly, there's literally two guys at eight hours a day and they're hard to install.

B

The gas comes in from the bottom; they also mount up on the wall, so there they do save a footprint. You can get more storage in a small home or if you have a small utility room, they do work well for making more storage within your facility.

B

The other thing is, they have a maximum flow rate between manufacturers. The average is between four gallons minute and 71 shower is 2.2 gallons per minute. You can actually have three showers running on this one. At the same time, it will keep up mind you, if you're doing your laundry doing the dishes in the dishwasher. Both of those are two gallons a minute also. So if you have multiple things going on, you can actually have lukewarm water coming out of this thing. It just can't keep up.

B

But do they work well in the situation, let's say: there's a one unit, that's a little bit small in this. It's a hundred thousand BTUs. If you have a single person in this, let's say it was a townhome and they can kind of monitor what they're doing they're not doing laundry they're not doing the dishes, and they only want to use what they're using it works. Well, the problem is the typical installation is about twenty-five hundred dollars to have this changed out from your normal wat eater to this.

B

If a water heater only uses two or three hundred dollars a year, do the math. It takes a long time to recoup that there's a pretty big install price and that and that deters a lot of people, so they a lot of people say well in 10-15 years, maybe I'll consider them. The price is probably will drop. They're, probably more common they'll probably be a little more economical.

B

The other thing is this lasts for about 18 years on an average and that's just the average life expectancy of them, they're all copper what'd. He call it tank inside here. So you pull it open. It actually looks like an alien inside here. It's just crazy. What's going on in here, but brilliant, brilliant, brilliant on the engineering we just gotta wait a couple years and let the price drop and then it'd be more economical for us.

B

I'm not sold on it yet, and maybe you can kind of gather that okay I do like it. I do have friends that actually put them in their house, and they literally will tell me all the time to change my mind about it. If I had a new house and I was putting it in, it might be more economical, it might be considering it and, like I said it's just my point of view. In my opinion. At the moment, do we sell a lot of them? Yes and no they're given another year to it?

B

They're more people are asking about their literally every day. I have to 35 people literally Sandler. They want to talk to me about it. The minute I tell about the water lines are here and they're, not on top. You have to literally put this on a wall. It has to vent out separate and I start mentioning all the other additional things that they haven't read on, or they don't know about. Then they go well I'm going to stick with the eight hundred dollar one. It's just more feasible, it's more economic.

B

The other thing is, if you let's say you want to put on the inside of your house, you have to buy extension, kids, it's literally fifty dollars a foot to extend this. It's another additional add-on, but do they work well, do ours, the government giving you a huge rebate on them absolutely, but it's one-fourth of your total bill. So that is a little perk at the end of the year, and that is a nice feature but mind you.

B

It is still up front, there's more cost to it now, but absolutely brilliant, though they really do work well and I'm not trying to deter anybody. Absolutely they do also have about seven. Eight ten different models different be to use different situations to make it more appropriate for your use. We in the Minnesota here have about 45 different models and it's basically the BTUs. They also do have some that are a PVC flew out the top.

B

It's more like a power vent, but now you're talking thirty-five forty four thousand dollars have this one installed: it's just the price just keeps going up and up and up and more people shake their head. Go no I'm, not ready for that. Yet give it five years when more people get into them and their more popular they're building more the plants are bigger, they're, more economical yeah.

B

It might be a thousand bucks to put this again, it's close, but I'm not trying to deter anybody from it, but it does take a long time to recoup your money from it and that's what I just want everybody to know.

B

Of a lot of hot water, let's say over the night and you go to run your kitchen faucet in the morning, and it takes you five minutes to get hot water out of there by putting the electric one gallon or even four gallon one underneath your kitchen sink.

B

You can actually have hot water a lot of times when you're washing your hands you're only using maybe a couple cups of water you're, not using that much the electric one will maintain, but when the hot water from the water heater gets to the sink that electric one will shut off, so it's literally only being used, it's literally only maintaining its there so that you're not wasting water.

B

So they are practical. They do work mind you. There I think about a 200 ollar units, so they're not cheap, but they are available a lot of very popular commercial spaces. When they have three five hundred thousand feet, they got to go a lot of times that hot water never gets there, so they're popular they do work.

B

There is also what's called hybrid tanks, hybrid water heaters, there's, what's called a heat pump, they've been out for about five years. They literally anybody know what a heat pump is they they have them on air conditioners. They have them on your furnaces. They literally it works like your air conditioner, there's a compressor, it's compressing oils is transferring heat and cool it's taking the hot air like in Arizona or Texas, when it's 107 degrees.

B

It's literally running that through the compressor into the oil and then therefore the coils inside the tank, and that's what heats your water. It is very efficient, except here in Minnesota we only have 100 degree weather for maybe a month or two, it's not practical here. Yet that's why we don't see them here in the southern states, they're very, very aware, down there they're very popular.

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Can order and we can get them- we can get them, but they work. What's that nope, it's literally all self-contained.

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Doesn't it doesn't? It literally has a big motor, a big two foot round cylinder up on top of the water heater. The pipes actually come out the side. It literally comes out the top in Arizona and Texas and Florida all the southern states. A lot of people don't have utility rooms, they don't even have furnaces. They'll have electric heating sources, but their water heaters are typically in their garage where it is warmer than the air conditioned space inside their house.

B

So that's why, when people talk about the hybrids they're, not quite here yet because of these temperature differences, they are available. If you want to try it, if you want to put them in, you know no one's going to stop you, but it's not practical here yet.

B

Any other questions about like tankless or even hybrid.

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The tank is actually self flushing, it fills from the bottom and it's pushing the water it's going through there so rapidly. It doesn't have a time to stop and settle. They do actually require that if you run into problems where the water starts, I have an older, you can actually have chemical to put in to help disinfect it.

B

It's rare and it takes certain types of water with certain types of bacteria. All water has these things in it, and it depends on how long you let it sit water in water heaters. Let's say you go on vacation or you leave for the winter. Your snow bird you go to another warmer spot.

B

Stagnant water is literally water that has been cooked for too long. Anybody ever smell a rotten egg. It's just as bad. If not worse, it stinks. You definitely don't want to cook with it. You definitely don't want to drink it.

B

It literally takes you have to literally flush this out and the best way of doing it is literally just turn your faucet on turn the gas off and just let it run for an hour or two until you don't smell it anymore. The pilot is infamous for causing stagnant water just that little flame over a week. Well cook that water, it literally just sits in there.

B

It's a bacteria, it doesn't hurt you it just stinks. That's all it is, but it's called stagnant water. If you smell it and doesn't smell like you want to cook with it or drink it or shower in it, don't it just thinks? That's all. It is.

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Why it won here a typical one: that's more chaos and, finally, most importantly, that.

B

Is this one of the safety features about them? They don't use, they use. What's called a flame sensor, it literally detects a glow plug that will ignite the burner once the burners lit a flame sensor will detect that the burner has ignited they kind of become technologically advanced. They did away with the pilots, because you're basically burning a flame when you really you're, not using it, it's just there because they didn't that's just how they engineered it.

B

It does cost about forty fifty dollars a year just to have that flame in that water, heater lit or any appliance. So it is a safety feature. The other thing is a lot of people like to put varnish or some type of flammable liquid right in front of their water heater. They don't think there's a flame in there. It's not on it ain't working! Well, you have a final vapor there there's an open flame, the new water. Here's have a bunch of little holes for the first four six inches all the way around the bottom.

B

It's called an air scrubber, there's little sensors in there that can detect any type of flammable vapor. In Minnesota law says that it has to be there just for their safety and every and your neighbor safety, so you can't even buy it without these safety features.

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Of time they literally replace the entire heater now and it depends on the specific specifics of it.

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Normally it's they don't even ask any questions, it just happens, they just say, or here here's ninety percent cost of the new one. You know you've had it for 15 years or you've had it for whatever your warranty is and if you're still within the realm, they do take care of it. It really. It is a good warranty.

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If there's anything wrong with the tank, if there's anything wrong with the gas or control valve love, it yeah, it's not for their liability, they won't even waste their time. Sending you out a little part that you have to try and modify.

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12 years there.

B

Are situations like that and that was on the older models now there's a now they've gone in and changed these writings again and I. Can't I can't keep up with it fast enough, but they literally have doesn't cost you anything. Here's your new water heater I've seen that a lot not as money as we're selling out the door, but I mean it's one: every whatever 34 bought cells and they'll say they're there. Why heat is that and they've called it in to GE GE has said: yes, him, a new water heater.

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On the run, the ream water, heater, yep ream actually sells two plumbers: it sells the contractors, it sells the homeowners, the home depot. They have a lot of different models. They have enough headache. They don't want to deal with our warranty or what we're promoting. So that's. Why GE? We hired them just to monitor the warranties on that water. Here, yes, sir.

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Energy Star rating.

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If the water heater costs on the 12 year warranty water heater, it's our only model of a guess, vented type water heater that actually is Energy Star rated. They have about a quarter of an inch more insulation in there. It raises the energy factor up three tenths: it's not enough to even say that that's enough engineering, but the federal government says you have to have this much insulation on here to actually comply with the federal rebate.

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The manufacturer doesn't like it because it's harder for them to ship, everything's, bigger they can't get for water heaters on a pallet. They can only get three, it costs them more to ship and there's that's another reason: why there's a sixty seventy dollar price on their.

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Additional cost books of every 12.

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You're very correct yeah a lot of times: it's sixty eighty dollars. They, the energy company, will actually rebate you a lot of times. I'm it's from your taxes, I think it's from the actual energy company that you're buying your gas room. That's usually who is through, but there's different areas and different companies and I can't speak for all of them. I don't know, evolve them.

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Normally, it is the gas company that you're getting that rebate from though the energy factor that you're looking for is a point six to zero point, zero, six to and that's basically calculated off of heat loss and that's directly derived from the amount of insulation that is on that water. Heater, correct help. Now.

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We got filters, we got softeners, anybody have those anybody have that volume or water pressure that seems to disappear over time.

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Nope any other questions, any concerns anything I might not have touched mind you I was going to also add. If you're going to do any kind of plumbing, you always do shut the water off. First, before you cut the pipes, I have made that mistake. I have taken showers in people's houses, holding it and screaming at them t to turn your water off. You know it's human, um but if you put it in your head, you're doing plumbing shut the water off. It just makes life a lot simpler.

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This question by now had friends who were the result.

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There wasn't a shock, it wasn't shot out there, so they were out where the water premium. Now that.

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And no all valves will actually drip every time you turn them now. There are certain types that don't have seals that can be fixed a valve that drips every time. You turn it. If you look behind the handle, there's a small nut, it's called the packing nut. Every time you turn it. It's called exercising, you're, actually breaking the seal. Water is actually slipping by as you're turning it. From the actual centrifugal motion, it drips like a simple little eighth of a turn. You can actually repack it. So a lot of times.

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Every time your winterizing, your house, you're, shutting the water off you're going to get drips out of it, but a lot of times as you open it fully it shut. It literally creates a new seal here. Every time you close it fully you're creating a new seal there. So it's only when you're literally using it that you'll see a trip and that's why you see a lot of plumbers carrying channel ox or some type of player in their back pocket so that they can stop it before they even walk away from it.

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But it's actually a good thing. It's actually lubricating the seal, it's actually prolonging the life of it.

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Anything else guys.

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Spray-Z boys knowledgeable now I do want to say that the city of Wilmington, of the housing authority do not reckon not endorse any particular product or a particular zone. Fire hold equal was gracious enough to supply us requirements evening.

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I was just thinking about whip yourself, her and the water here I think you're still required. I think so.

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Like they can't force you, but you should get a golden per minute, because if anything happens to that water heater or the house, your reference, so the city would sign off on. It say that every.

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City within the state actually has the requirement that you pull a permit to change on a water heater. They don't really go around monitoring what happens in everybody's house. They do see the empty boxes on the curb. Therefore they know if a job or work has been done. It is easier to pull a permit and get permission. I had a low-cost than to have them, come in and say you're doing work, and what else are you doing?

B

They actually sometimes have the authority to actually double fee you for it, so it can actually costume or it can actually be more of a headache having the work done and then try to pull a permit at a later date. So it's just easier to pay your $26 permit fee or 34 and they're, usually $35 or less they're, not very expensive, and every homeowner can do their own permit.

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Yes, it is very much recommended.

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