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Most homes in Minnesota have some type of outdoor entertaining space. In a place where cooler weather is common, it's important to have a perfect patio to enjoy during the warmer days.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
in
definitely
not
the
kind
of
day
that
you
probably
are
thinking
a
lot
about
landscaping,
but
it's
always
good
to
start
planning
early.
So
my
name
is
John
Stallman
I'm,
a
landscape
designer
with
Bachmann's
landscaping,
I'm
one
of
eleven
designers
at
Bachmann's.
We
do
design
of
all
types
of
projects
and
then
also
the
installation
as
well.
So
some
of
the
things
that
we
worked
on
might
include
such
elaborate
projects
as
pools,
putting
greens,
entire
yards,
small
foundation,
plantings
and
today
we're
going
to
talk
about
patios.
A
So
most
homes
in
Minnesota
have
some
type
of
outdoor
entertaining
space,
whether
it
be
a
deck
patio
or
combination
of
the
two.
It's
important
to
have
that
space
so
that
when
we
have
months
like
this,
the
three
four
or
five
months
a
year,
hopefully
more
that
we
get
we
can
get
outside
and
enjoy
them,
whether
it
be
for
dining,
just
relaxing
fire
pits
socializing.
You
may
have
it.
A
If
anybody
has
questions
along
the
way,
feel
free
to
speak
up,
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
couple,
just
introduction,
slides
here
and
then
we're
going
to
just
start.
Looking
at
projects
we've
got
about
40
different
patios
to
look
at
today.
Hopefully
you
see
something
you
might
like
just
some
ideas
that
might
fit
for
your
house
just
a
wide
range
of
things.
All
different
price
ranges,
and
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
A
The
three
main
types
of
patios
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
are
going
to
be
your
poured,
concrete,
patios,
pavers,
whether
they're,
concrete
or
clay,
and
then
also
the
natural
stone
patios.
So
if
you
starting
in
the
poured
concrete
column
they're,
typically,
you
can
have
by
just
your
plain
concrete,
like
what
you
see
on
your
average
sidewalk,
driveway
type
of
thing
or
stamp
to
add
a
little
bit
more
interest
to
it,
and
then
those
could
both
have
color.
In
most
cases,
that's
going
to
be
your
lowest
cost
patio.
A
There
are
fewer
design
options
because
there's
limitations
with
what
you
can
do
in
that
a
few
minutes
that
you
have
working
with
wet
concrete
before
it
starts
to
form
up,
so
you've
got
some
limitations
there.
As
far
as
repairs
go,
it's
pretty
hard
to
do
once
poured
concrete
cracks.
It's
going
to
be
forever.
A
You
know
when
concrete
sinks,
you
can
do
some
mud
jacking,
but
then
you've
got
some
little
holes.
I,
don't
see
that
to
level
it
back
out,
but
that
is
just
it's
kind
of
a
flaw
ends
up
being
a
permanent
thing
there.
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
drawback
to
that,
especially
with
our
climate.
The
ground
moves
here,
no
matter
what
we
do,
that's
why
they
put
footings
for
a
house
down
for
feet
when
you're
doing
a
poured
concrete
patio.
A
Certain
types
of
poured
concrete
do
require
sealing
to
keep
that
color
up
if
you're
using
a
stamped
concrete
patio.
It's
not
exactly
low
maintenance,
because
if
you
don't
do
that
sealing
every
couple
of
years,
you're
gonna
lose
some
of
that
finish
and
then
typically
you're
gonna
have
a
consistent
surface
chairs
are
gonna
fit
on
it,
real
smooth
with
no
issues
there.
If
you
need
to
shovel
it
in
the
winter
you're
running
a
shovel
across
it,
there's
no
problem,
and
then
in
the
Minnesota
climate
there
are
no
permeable
options.
A
So,
if
you've
heard
of
anything
about
permeable
pavement,
what
it
is
is
it
actually
allows
water
to
infiltrate
down
through
a
patio
and
into
the
ground
so
that
you
don't
have
the
runoff.
It's
it's
a
newer
technology.
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
getting
more
important
with
ground
water
issues
and
runoff
issues,
but
the
best
options,
if
you're
looking
at
a
permeable
for
what
our
climate
is,
are
going
to
be
in
the
paver
option.
So
you
step
over
to
the
middle
column
there
with
pavers
in
most
projects.
A
There's
some
differences
there
in
what
you
see
as
the
surface
finish,
as
well
as
the
texture
and
then
just
the
uniqueness
of
the
design
that
it
costs
more
for
those
manufacturers
to
do
so.
Most
of
them.
The
labor
is
going
to
be
the
same,
no
matter
what
the
patio
material
actually
is.
It's
just
that
that
actual
paper
can
be
more
expensive
or
more
economical
in
terms
of
repair
ability.
If
there's
a
spot
that
settles,
it's
pretty
easy
to
pull
up
the
few
pavers
recom
packed
some
material
underneath
there
and
put
things
back
down.
A
You
could
do
that
20
30
40
years
down
the
road
and
still
have
a
nice
surface
without
having
to
do
a
total
repair.
The
other
piece
of
repair
ability,
it
sometimes
happens
with
patios,
is,
if
you've
got
your
grill
on
it,
you
drip
some
grease
from
the
grill
onto
it,
and
you
have
a
stain
there
a
lot
of
times
after
your
patio
project
is
finished.
The
landscaper
should
leave
a
few
extra
pavers
along
just
in
case
that
happens
in
the
future.
A
In
case,
something
needs
to
be
repaired
that
you
can
swap
that
paver
or
a
couple
pavers
out
that
have
those
grease
spots
on
it
and
put
them
back
in
place.
So
you
have
that
option
with
peers
in
pavers.
A
lot
of
people
worry
about
running
a
shovel
across
it,
but
it
actually
is
a
very
consistent
surface.
A
There
is
a
little
bit
of
texture
to
many
of
the
papers,
but
putting
a
shovel
snow
plow,
snow
blower
on
them,
you're
very
rarely
are
you
gonna
have
any
issues
and
then,
like
I,
said,
the
permeability
is
an
option
there.
When
it
comes
to
natural
stone,
usually
it's
going
to
be
your
highest
cost
patio
in
in
terms
of
both
labor
and
material,
and
so
that
is
something
to
consider.
In
that
case,
there's
many
design
options.
Combinations
of
stones
things
that
you
can
do
to
create
some
uniqueness
out
of
those
like
the
pavers.
A
While
it
gets
some
silt
and
dust
on
it
in
time,
twenty
years
down
the
road,
you
could
usually
clean
a
piece
of
stone
up
to
look
like
it
did
on
day
one,
whereas
some
of
the
concrete
products
they're
going
to
have
some
fading,
just
natural
degradation
stone.
It's
been
around
for
a
million
years
that
it's
just
been
dug
out
of
the
ground
and
put
into
your
yard
cleaning
it
up
twenty
years
down
the
road.
It
probably
looks
as
day
one
in
both
the
paver
and
natural
stone.
Sealing
is
optional.
A
Usually
it's
not
a
requirement,
but
it
can
add
a
little
bit
of
pop
of
color
to
some
of
those
patios
and
then
with
natural
stone.
One
big
drawback
is
because
you
are
dealing
with
a
natural
stone
material,
there's
a
little
bit
more
irregularity
to
it.
Well,
there
it's
flagstone
or
we'll
look
at
some
other
types
that
are
called
cut
and
patterned.
A
There
is
just
that
natural
element
to
it
so
running
a
shovel
across
it
can
be
a
little
more
difficult
as
well
as
if
you've
got
chairs
the
chairs
that
we
have
in
this
room
with
the
four
points
a
lot
of
times
on
a
natural
stone
patio,
it's
hard
to
get
all
four
points
to
sit
consistently.
Even
if
it's
an
expert,
installer
doing
things,
you
know
the
best
it
possibly
can
be
done.
That
stolen
just
tends
to
have
a
little
bit
more
irregularity.
So
when
you're
all
furniture
shopping,
there
are
different
types
of
bases.
A
B
A
In
order
to
be
permeable,
it's
actually
what's
underneath
the
paver,
that's
different,
so
in
a
typical
patio
that
you
think
of
whether
it's
poured
concrete,
pavers
or
natural
stone.
We're
gonna
put
it
in
Minnesota
here
about
six
inches
of
compacted
rolled
gravel
underneath
it.
So
that's
the
gravel.
That's
got
about
one
inch,
Rock
all
the
way
down
to
just
the
fine
dust,
and
you
compact
that
so
hard
that
water
is
not
going
to
go
through
it
when
you're
dealing
with
a
permeable
application.
A
What
you
have
for
rock
is
you
have
that
one
inch
rock
and
they've
washed
it
so
there's
no
none
of
the
fine
material,
so
water,
if
you
take
a
cup
of
water
and
you
pour
it
through
that,
it's
just
gonna
drain
right
through.
So
the
base
is
really
the
key
to
a
permeable
application
that
it's
a
different
type
of
base.
A
Can
you
combine
different
pavers?
Yes,
but
there
are
some
limitations
and
the
level
of
permeability
that
you're
going
to
get
when
you
use
their
specific
pavers
called
permeable
pavers.
They
actually
have
a
little
larger
spacer
on
the
side
of
the
paver,
so
it
creates
a
little
wider
gap
between
each
paver
and
that
allows
for
that
water
infiltration
go
ahead.
A
You
can
elevation
if
it's
right
up
against
the
Hollis
you've
got
to
worry
about
that.
The
other
thing
is:
if
that
poured
concrete
is
cracked
or
it's
settled
in
places
you
can't
just
put
pavers
down
and
expect
that
to
be
a
perfect
finish,
so
usually
in
most
cases,
the
best
option
is
to
rip
that
out,
put
in
the
right
compacted
base
and
and
go
from
there.
So
thinking
about
some
design
considerations,
what
uses
will
the
patio
have?
Is
it
going
to
be
for
dining?
A
Is
it
going
to
be
for
sitting
out
just
relaxing
sitting
in
the
Sun
sitting
in
the
shade?
Some
of
those
things
you
want
to
consider
if
it's
going
to
be
a
fire
pit
area,
you've
got
to
take
in
the
building
code
and
fire
code
into
account
that
that
fire
pit
needs
to
be
far
enough
away
from
any
combustible
structure
to
meet
code.
A
Some
of
the
thoughts
there
you
want
to
design
your
entire
space
before
you
just
put
a
patio
in
a
lot
of
times,
we'll
get
called
into
a
project
after
a
patio
has
gone
in
and
they
want
us
for
the
planting
advice,
and
there
are
some
things
that
they've
missed
along
the
process,
whether
it
be
controlling
water
in
the
space,
water
is
probably
the
biggest
detriment
to
patios
failing
over
time,
any
type
of
concrete
water
getting
under
them
even
pouring.
On
top
of
that,
it's
not
it
takes
a
little
bit.
A
I
mean
we're
landscapers,
it's
not
really
expertise,
but
it's
just
experience
that
you
build
over
time.
You
realize
that
there
are
certain
things
you
have
to
consider
when
you're
designing
a
patio,
so
thinking
about
the
entire
space
before
just
putting
the
patio
and
play
well
also
that'll
help
you
make
sure
you
get
it
sited
right
so
that
at
4
o'clock,
when
you're
sitting
there
eating
dinner
you're,
not
in
blasted
Sun,
you
might
want
to
think
about
those
things.
So
it's
changing
some
things
around
a
little
bit.
A
A
How
can
you
complement
the
architecture
of
the
home
with
the
landscaping
to
make
it
all
look
unified,
like
I
said
with
the
fire
pit,
you
want
to
choose
that
location
that
best
matches
the
type
of
use
for
the
patio,
so
getting
it
the
proper
distance
away
from
combustible
structures
or
getting
it
into
those
sunlight
at
the
time
of
day
that
you
want
to
use
it
or
out
of
the
sunlight
at
the
time
of
day.
You
want
to
use
it
depending
on
what
type
of
Sun
that
is.
You
want
to
consider.
A
A
So
if
you're
in
that
1
to
2
percent
range
you're
at
a
point
where
you're
going
to
move
water
off
of
the
patio,
but
you're
not
going
to
be
too
steep
if
you
go
underneath
that
1%
range
here
in
Minnesota,
with
all
that
snow
sitting
out
there
you're
worried
about
that
water
draining
the
right
way
in
the
spring.
So
you
want
to
consider
that
and
like
I
say
there,
with
elevation
from
the
need
for
walls
or
stairs.
A
If
you
have
a
patio
that
you
might
need
to
add
a
stair
to
compared
to
what
the
lawn
is
you
know,
most
lawns
are
gonna,
have
more
pitch
on
them
than
a
1
or
2
percent.
One
percent
pitch
is
basically
one
inch
in
8
feet
so
the
floor
in
this
room-
probably
zero
pitch
on
it.
But
if
you
across
the
width
this
room,
if
you
only
have
two
inches
of
pitch,
you
probably
could
hardly
see
that,
but
it
will
make
sure
that
the
water
gets
away.
A
When
you
get
to
a
flatter
pitch
like
this,
that
water
is
necessarily
not
not
going
to
move
off,
then
you
want
to
choose
the
material
that
best
suits
the
use
in
the
site,
like
I
said
with
the
shoveling.
If
you
have
a
patio
that
you
want
to
shovel
in
the
winter
to
use
may
be
difficult
to
do
if
you're
using
natural
stones.
So
you
might
want
to
consider
some
other
materials
on
that.
A
Then
those
we're
gonna
get
into
the
poured
concrete,
patios
and
we'll
start
looking
at
projects
now,
like
I,
said
earlier,
you've
got
your
plain,
concrete,
the
stamped
concrete
to
add
a
little
bit
more
detail
to
it.
Usually
that's
stamping
they
they
put
a
stamping
just
on
that
surface
layer
that
creates
a
little
bit
of
a
shape,
whether
it
be
a
flagstone
or
a
slate,
or
something
like
that.
They
can
usually
have
the
ability
to
stamp
a
border
onto
things
to
add
a
little
bit
more
interest
to
things
and
then
both
of
those
can
be
colored.
A
Now,
stamping
and
coloring
is
increase.
The
cost
of
any
project
I've
seen
several
stamp
patio
projects
that,
by
the
time
you
add
the
stamping
and
the
coloring
to
it,
they
end
up
costing
as
much
or
more
than
a
paver
project
would
so
not
always
going
to
be
the
cost
the
most
cost-effective.
But
there
are
times
when
they
are
the
most
effective
method
which
will
look
at
a
project
here
in
just
a
second
and
then
lastly,
exposed
aggregate.
A
That's
where
you
see
the
little
rocks
on
the
surface
of
the
patio,
what
they
do
when
they
pour
the
concrete
there.
Is
they
actually
wash
that
cream
layer
off
at
just
a
few
hours
after
it
goes
down
to
expose
that
with
the
stamped
in
the
exposed
aggregate?
Those
are
the
patios
that
really
do
require
that
sealing
to
hold
up
and
look
their
best
over
time.
A
First
project
here,
just
looking
at
a
simple
plain,
concrete
patio
on
this
project.
One
of
the
things
that
we
looked
at
is
how
can
you
make
a
plain,
concrete
patio,
a
little
bit
more
unique
than
just
throwing
down
a
couple
two
by
fours
and
having
a
square
rectangular
space,
so
you
can
make
curves
or
round
forms
with
poured
concrete.
It's
just
the
way
that
you
form
it
up.
So
you
can
add
a
little
bit
of
that
to
things
here.
You
can
see
that
one
in
the
evening
a
couple
things
about
that
project.
A
That's
exposed
aggregate
project,
so
you
get
a
little
bit
of
that
unique
kind
of
texture
and
multicolored
look
to
the
surface
as
well
as
there,
the
fountain
in
the
center.
So
it
adds
another
piece
to
that
patio
I'm,
not
quite
sure
what
that
project
is,
but
you've
got
the
different
benches.
So
that's
kind
of
a
little
courtyard
area
there
and
and
the
addition
of
lighting
extends
the
use
of
that
patio
into
the
evening.
If
you
didn't
have
those
lights
there,
that's
a
pretty
dark
space
to
go
sit
at
at
that
time
of
day.
A
A
So
if
you're
replacing
a
stoop
off
the
back
of
your
house,
Building
Code
requires
that
that
is
on
footings
and
so
in
most
cases
about
the
only
way
to
do
that
is
to
start
with
pouring
concrete.
You
can
put
pavers
or
stone
over
the
top
of
that,
but
then
you've
got
the
added
cost
there
too.
So
when
you
need
to
include
footings
in
a
project,
sometimes
going
with
poured
concrete
is
going
to
be
your
most
cost
effective
and
smart
route
and
way
to
produce
a
long
term
quality
project.
A
So
different,
depending
on
the
project
they'll,
do
it
a
little
differently.
Sometimes
they
will
throw
it
down
on
the
top
as
just
a
powder
and
then
kind
of
mix
it
into
the
cream.
So
it
is
only
a
thin
surface
on
that
project
that
was
to
color.
That
would
be
pretty
hard
to
order
from
the
cement
plant
to
have
a
color
in
there
and
because
you
need
to
really
pour
that
at
one
time.
You
can't
pour
those
two.
A
You
know:
they've
probably
poured
the
stoop
in
that
case
at
a
separate
time,
then
they
poured
the
patio
but
that
patio
piece
with
the
border
on
it
probably
needed
to
be
poured
at
the
same
time.
So
in
that
case
my
guess
would
be.
They
threw
some
powder
down
mixed
it
into
the
cream
to
be
able
to
do
that,
but
you
can
get
that
color
straight
from
the
plant.
A
It
just
does
have
a
little
bit
of
limitations
on
things,
sometimes
the
other
piece
to
that
color
and
I
am
NOT
an
installer
of
them,
but
I've
been
told
that
when
you
order
it
from
the
plant,
it
is
sometimes
harder
to
get
the
exact
color.
That
you
want,
when
you're
mixing
it
on-site.
You
just
have
a
little
bit
more
control
over
it
to
throw
that
on
the
surface.
So
it
all
comes
with
experience.
A
We'll
move
into
the
paver
category
of
things
here.
So
you've
got
your
clay.
Pavers
far
more
traditional
been
around
for
many
many
years
concrete
pavers
a
little
bit
newer,
you're
gonna
have
more
style
options
when
it
comes
to
the
concrete
pavers
clay
pavers,
just
because
of
what
they
are
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
more
limited
in
the
manufacturing
process
and
how
they
do
things.
So
you've
got
a
little
bit
simpler
on
the
style,
but
you
can
do
combinations
of
things
to
add
some
interest
to
a
clay.
A
Patio
in
the
like
I
said
the
unlimited
styles
and
colors.
Definitely
in
the
concrete,
pavers
there's
new
styles
every
year,
new
colors,
you
can
have
something
unique,
but
there
are
some
that
have
been
around
for
25
30
years
and
still
keep
proving
themselves
to
be
a
style
that
people
like
to
see.
So
in
order
to
have
your
space
a
little
bit
unique,
we'll
look
at
some
things
in
upcoming,
slides
here.
A
They'll
show
you
how
to
make
a
patio
that
have
might
have
the
exact
same
material
as
your
neighbor
a
little
bit
more
unique
by
adding
some
banding
in
or
some
different
colors
and
then,
like
I,
said
earlier,
the
permeable
option
is
present
in
the
pavers
you're,
starting
out
with
just
a
simple
clay:
paver
patio
kind
of
a
classic
4
by
8,
Holland
paver.
You
see
the
border
on
things.
They
call
this
a
solider
course.
So
you
don't
want
to
end
up
with
small
cuts
right
on
the
edge
they
tend
to
fall
out.
A
A
Your
another
simple
clay,
paver
project,
like
that
other
one
you
see
the
pattern
in
this
is
just
called
running
bond,
where
you
just
line
the
pavers
up
and
usually
just
like
the
bricks
on
the
on
the
wall
of
the
house.
You
kind
of
stagger
those
seams
on
every
other
roll
a
little
bit
to
give
that,
but
the
clay
pavers
most
of
the
time,
you're
gonna
end
up
in
tones
with
some
red
in
it.
It's
just
kind
of
natural
with
that.
A
First
concrete,
paver
project
that
we're
going
to
look
at
here
and
in
this
one,
some
of
the
stuff
that
I
look
at
with
the
design
is
that
the
designer
he's
kind
of
created
that
little
niche
space
that
little
outdoor
room.
Where
he's
surrounded
by
the
planter
wall
on
the
left
side
of
the
picture
and
then
on
the
right
side.
You've
got
the
water
feature
and
actually,
in
the
center
of
that
water
feature,
that's
a
player.
Gas
fire
feature
so
designing
the
space
it's
more
than
just
a
patio.
A
It
includes
the
things
around
it
so
that
you
have,
you
know
a
sense
of
a
room
that
you're
you're
sitting
in
you
can
kind
of
see
on
that
one.
It
looks
like
that.
The
border
color
is
possibly
a
little
bit
different
color
than
the
pattern
as
well
a
lot
of
times.
That
adds
a
little
bit
of
interest
here.
We
move
into
just
a
very
simple
fire
pit
patio.
This
is
a
circle
kit,
I,
don't
know
if
you've
seen
circle
kits
before
they
are
about
the
most
cost,
effective
way
of
getting
something
other
than
a
square.
A
You
know
in
a
patio
when
that
comes
out,
there's
not
more
than
two
or
three
cuts
that
need
to
be
done
to
make
that
whole
patio
and
so
saving
on
that
cutting
is
going
to
save
on
labor
cost
for
you
and
be
able
to
get
things.
You
know,
here's
another
project,
just
involving
a
fireplace
and
this
one
sitting
by
the
lakeside.
The
hillside
here
actually
came
down
basically
to
the
lakeside,
so
incorporating
a
retaining
wall
allowed
us
to
get
that
patio
in
that
space
and.
A
A
Here's
a
very
elaborate
project
in
this
case
that
includes
many
different,
beautiful
design.
Details
from
Darrell
he's
incorporated
the
banding
color
in
here
to
blend
throughout
give
a
little
bit
of
interest
to
things
here.
You
can
see
the
circle
detail
around
the
corner
of
the
pool.
Also
up
the
underneath
the
table
next
to
the
bar
he's
got
the
circle
so
that
combination
of
elements
to
things
just
adds
a
lot
to
the
design
versus
everything
just
being
one
uniform
peace
across.
A
You
know,
I'm,
probably
looking
at
five
hundred
or
just
five
hundred
square
feet
in
just
that
picture,
so
that
project
you
know,
might
have
been
double
that
if
you
just
had
that
much
pavement
without
any
character
to
it,
it
gets
a
little
bit
boring.
So
that's
what
he's
done
in
that
case
has
added
some
of
those
elements.
A
But
it's
gonna
stand
out
a
little
different
in
your
yard
and
again
on
a
price
point
that
paver
right
there
is
actually
on
the
lower
end.
So
you
get
a
little.
You
know
quite
a
bit
of
character
out
of
something
like
that
from
material
cost.
That's
down
on
the
lower
end
of
things
here,
just
a
simple
front
yard
patio.
So
not
every
patio
needs
to
be
in
the
backyard.
Maybe
it's
sitting
out
to
watch
the
kids
get
on
the
bus
and
have
a
cup
of
coffee
here.
A
We've
incorporated
again
simple,
low-cost
circle,
because
not
a
single
cut
to
make
in
that
project.
Just
a
little
six
foot
diameter
space,
a
couple
chairs
in
a
little
bistro
table,
lets
them
sit
outside
front
door
socialize
with
the
neighbors,
and
then
it
ties
in
with
what
we've
got
to
go
into
the
front
door.
A
In
this
picture
here
you
see
the
use
of
some
sitting
walls
so
number
one.
Those
are
gonna
kind
of
make
the
space
a
little
bit
more
intimate
or
you're,
not
just
falling
off
into
the
entire
yard.
You
can
see
there's
a
couple
steps
off
of
there,
so
the
slope
of
the
yard
probably
required
them
to
flatten
things
out.
So,
rather
than
just
having
a
sixteen
inch
drop
off
the
side
of
the
patio
they've
got
that
sitting
wall
there
creates
a
little
bit
of
a
buffer.
A
Hopefully
you
know
people
aren't
gonna
fall
off
the
edge
and
then
it
also
helps
create
that
room.
One
other
thing
in
this
picture
that
I
look
at
is
a
lot
of
times
the
this
type
of
little
bump
out
on
the
window
there
that
doesn't
actually
go
down
to
the
ground,
so
you've
got
kind
of
a
little
dead
space
under
there,
and
it
just
looks
pretty
awkward
and
in
terms
of
putting
properly
compacted
base
under
there
to
do
a
patio
surface.
A
Here
we've
got
a
concrete
paver
for
the
majority
of
what
you
see
and
then
that
banding
in
there
he's
actually
used
the
clay.
Paver
so
adds
a
lot
of
uniqueness
to
the
project
by
having
that
kind
of
glossy
maroon
clay.
To
that
some
of
the
other
design
elements
you
see
there
with
cutting
in
those
arcs
rounding
the
corners.
They
do
add
a
little
bit
to
the
cost,
but
they
do
make
the
project.
You
know
more
unique.
A
You're,
looking
at
an
extremely
large,
fireplace
and
just
kind
of
a
nice
little
space
in
front
of
it
there
with
that
table,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
looked
at
with
this
picture
again
is
the
use
of
the
sitting
walls
around
it.
If
you
didn't
have
that
wall
there,
that
space
would
just
feel
enormous
down
into
that
large
yard.
So
he's
used
the
sitting
walls
to
just
cozy
up
that
space
a
little
bit
the
other
piece
there
is
those
lights
add,
allow
you
to
use
that
patio
a
little
bit
later
into
the
evening.
A
There's
another
project
in
this
case
here:
I,
look
at
that
with
three
different
outdoor
rooms.
You've
got
that
main
room
up
by
the
house
there
that
you
have
the
dining
table
a
little
extra
seating
there
and
you've
got
that
little
gas
fire
pit
area
there.
You
can
go
down
and
sit
in
that
space
and
then
off
to
the
left,
underneath
the
pergola
you've
got
the
hot
tub,
so
the
combination
of
rooms
he's
repeated
the
same
type
of
design
through
it.
A
Some
of
the
things
you
see
with
the
little
corner
notches
of
that
banding
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
like
about
this
project,
is
how
he's
tied
it
in
with
the
house
is
the
color
of
the
paver
and
this
banding
matches
the
trim
on
the
house
so
pulling
again
that
architecture
down
into
the
patio?
How
can
you
make
those
features,
complement
each
other?
The.
A
A
retaining
wall
block
project
product,
so
typically
you
wouldn't
just
stack
pavers,
there's
different
products
for
it
and
if
you're
trying
to
do
that,
usually
those
retaining
wall
brought
block
products
are
gonna,
be
a
little
bit
cheaper
than
what
it
would
cost
you
to
do
it
with
papers
so,
but
between
all
the
different
manufacturers
and
we're
lucky
to
have.
We've
got
five
or
six
or
more
manufacturers
right
here
in
the
Twin
Cities
of
these
things,
it's
easy
to
find
complementary
products
between
walls
and
patios
and
their
products
that
are
gonna
last
in
our
environment.
A
So
that's
important
same
project
here.
One
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
show
with
this
is
just
this
is
a
concrete
paver,
but
you
see
the
texture
on
that
and
how
it
it
actually
really
mimics
a
natural
stone
and
mimics
a
blue
stone
material.
Very
well.
So,
on
the
cost
side
it
is
a
higher
cost
material
for
a
concrete
paver,
but
compared
to
a
natural
stone.
You
save
on
the
labor,
because
every
paver
is
in
this
case
2
and
3/4
inches
thick.
A
If
you're
dealing
with
natural
stone,
you
might
have
one
piece:
that's
one
inch
thick
one
piece:
it's
one
and
a
half
so
you're
adding
a
lot
to
the
labor.
When
you
deal
with
those
types
of
things,
another
concrete,
paver
project
here
you
see
some
of
that
forethought
on
the
elevation
changes
if
they
would
have
just
put
that
patio
in
without
this
step
here,
not
considering
the
step
out
the
back
of
the
door.
You're
gonna
end
up
having
to
put
a
lot
of
pitch
on
that.
It's
gonna
make
it
harder
to
sit
on.
A
So
it's
important
for
a
designer
to
go
in
before
hand
and
get
the
elevations
find
out
what
it
is
and
find
out
what
you're
going
to
need
to
do
so
that
when
they're
out
there
putting
it
in
it's
not
a
guessing
game.
You
want
to
have
that
pin
down
so
that
the
project
actually
goes
smoothly
turns
out
right
and
you're.
Gonna
get
the
best
finish
in
the
end.
The
other
piece
that
you
see
in
there
is
the
pergola
over
the
top
of
that
patio
I'm,
not
quite
sure
about
that
project.
A
But
if
at
five
o'clock,
that's
in
full
Sun
it's
hard
to
use
a
patio
a
lot
of
times
when
I'm
at
5
o'clock,
it's
in
full,
Sun
midsummer,
so
add
a
little
bit
of
shade
with
the
pergola.
There
can
help
make
a
patio
a
little
bit
more
useful
on
some
of
those
hot
days
here.
Another
simple
circular
form
just
for
a
fire
pit.
In
that
case,
one
of
the
things
we
did
is
we
need
a
little
bit
of
retaining
on
the
back
side
of
things,
so
we
just
used
some
really
boulders
to
do
that.
A
That
also
adds
a
couple
of
these
that
are
tucked
behind
the
hydrangea.
Here
are
flat
top
like
that
kind
of
first
one
you
see
with
a
flatter
top
there
in
the
middle,
and
so
that
allows
for
just
a
little
bit
extra
seating
when
you've
got
more
than
a
few
people
around
just
some
functional
seating
built
into
the
project.
A
Is
it
just
adds
a
lot
of
element
to
it
versus
just
running
this
straight
across
here.
Just
that
simple
little
bump
out
adds
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
of
labor
for
something
like
that,
because
you've
got
to
cut
those
pavers
along
the
curve
there,
but
not
not
really
a
hard
thing
to
do
and
adds
a
lot
to
a
project.
A
Here's
another
concrete
paver,
that's
really
meant
to
mimic
a
flagstone.
So
in
this
case
you
get
a
very
uniform
surface.
One
of
the
things
that
we
did
in
that
project
is
this
Center
grouping
of
pavers
is
actually
three
different
colors
of
pavers
mixed
together.
So,
to
add
a
little
bit
more
unique
to
this
to
it,
rather
than
just
getting
one
pallet
of
pavers,
we
got
three.
We
ordered
up
three
different
colors
brought
them
out
and
then
mixed
it
together
on
site,
so
that
we
gave
a
little
bit
more
character
to
things.
A
There
adds
a
little
bit
of
interest.
The
other
piece,
then
being
is
that
banding
of
pavers
in
there
to
add
a
little
bit
more
color
interest
to
the
project,
another
banding
in
this
project.
You
see
that
red
paper
running
through
the
center
there.
So
the
main
part
of
the
patio
is
a
concrete
paver
that
red
paver
is
a
clay
paver.
If
you
can
see
it
in
the
picture
of
this
dark
red
color
complements
that
dark
red,
a
trim
of
the
windows,
so
you're
pulling
elements
out
of
the
house
again,
adding
it
down
into
the
landscape.
A
Here's
a
beautiful
outdoor
room,
truly
I
think
what
signifies
an
outdoor
room
kind
of
set
off
on
its
own
you've
got
the
pergola
the
fire
pit,
just
a
nice
cozy
environment
with
that
furniture
in
place
there
and
the
plantings
around
it.
Other
thing
that
I
look
at
with
this
project
is
they've
combined.
Its
he's
actually
used
a
clay.
A
Bowl
Niles
clay
material
for
the
step
treads
use
that
as
a
paver
in
this
banding,
and
then
it
also
fits
as
the
coping
of
the
pool
down
on
the
bottom
left
corner
there,
so
tying
that
different
material
into
different
places
provides
a
lot
of
interest
in
in
things
simple
circle:
fire
pit
patio
surrounded
by
the
plantings
in
this
case
they're
just
using
a
fire
pit.
That's
affordable,
I
like
to
encourage
people
to
do
that
versus
built-ins,
because
it
makes
your
patio
multi-purpose.
When
you
want
to
have
just
a
dining
table
out
there.
A
Here's
a
project
I
did
a
couple
years
ago
in
the
fall,
and
some
of
what
we
looked
at
here
is
again
that's
one
of
those
pavers
that
will
tougher
to
see,
but
it
really
is
meant
to
mimic
a
natural
stone
material.
The
color
and
the
paver
has
a
little
bit
of
a
blend
to
complement
the
shake
on
the
house
and
then
the
border
that
we've
used
on.
That
is
actually
that's
the
patio
that
they
had
prior
to
us
doing
that
and
that's
actually
a
street
paver
so
somewhere
when
they
tour
a
street
out.
A
A
Here.
You
see
a
concrete
project,
concrete
pavers
with
the
banding
they've
got
the
borders
in
that
solid
color,
also
nice,
to
set
off
the
stepped
red
with
that
border
and
adding
that
solid
color
to
keep
that
functional
purpose
there,
signifying
that
there's
an
elevation
change
added
the
detailing
of
some
of
the
banding
through
the
center
of
it
and
then
actually
in
that
space
underneath
the
table
there.
A
The
patio
part
that's
under
the
table
is
where
all
the
water
on
that
patio
is
designed
to
flow
to,
and
that's
a
permeable
area
underneath
that
so
your
question
about,
can
you
combine
things?
Yes,
you
can
in
this
case
they
couldn't
with
elevation
on
the
site.
They
couldn't
get
the
water
off
the
site
properly,
without
doing
something
like
that.
A
So
when
they
are
designed
properly
and
installed
properly,
those
types
of
surfaces
actually
do
they'll
function
well,
even
in
early
March,
when
the
grounds
frozen
that
type
of
a
permeable
application
does
function
in
Minnesota,
here's
a
project,
I
did
last
fall.
Some
of
the
things
I
looked
at
when
I
got
out
to
this
house
is
how
dark
the
stone
was
on
the
house
here.
And
how
can
we
complement
that
in
the
landscaping?
A
Here's
another
large-scale
project
got
the
fire
pit
over
on
the
left
side
there.
If
you
see
in
the
kind
of
the
back
side
behind
it,
it's
like
a
built-in
couch,
so
he's
used
the
sitting
wall
with
actually
raising
another
wall
up
behind
that
to
help
screen
out
the
intersection.
That's
in
the
back
there,
the
waterfall
close
by
to
that
patio
space
also
helps.
You
know
quiet
down
some
of
that
road
noise
that
you've
got
going
on.
A
One
of
the
last
couple
concrete
paver
projects,
we're
gonna,
look
at
here,
just
a
simple
fire
pit
area.
Some
of
what
we've
done
in
this
case
is
we
left
it
square
to
cut
down
on
the
cutting
so
cost-effective.
We've
got
a
got
the
space.
Still
a
nice
design,
Ellen,
not
every
patio
has
to
have
curves
to
it.
So
we've
got
the
square
piece
there.
Then
we've
added
that
sitting
wall
so
they're.
A
Actually,
on
that
patio
they
do
have
a
few
chairs
that
they
use,
but
the
majority
of
the
seating
on
the
backsides
of
things
there
is
they
just
sit
on
the
wall.
You
know
they're
teenage
kids.
They
probably
don't
sit
on
chairs
most
of
the
time.
Anyways
they'd
rather
be
doing
something
else
so
and
then
another
again
going
back
to
that
keeping
things
cost-effective.
A
simple
paver
patio,
the
circle
kit
you
saw
in
the
last
project
with
those
sitting
walls.
So
it's
pretty
easy
to
take
a
sitting
wall
straight
along
just
about
any
patio.
A
When
you're
dealing
with
building
sitting
walls,
you
need
to
plan
ahead
for
what
radius
that
circle
is
going
to
be
so
that
you
can
build
a
seating
wall
without
having
to
cut
every
block,
not
every
freestanding
sitting,
while
block
is
going
to
be
able
to
make
a
curve.
So
if
you
plan
the
radius
of
the
circle
at
the
right
size,
it'll
allow
you
to
save
some
cost
on
that
wall.
If
you've
got
a
material
that
works
with
that
radius,
move
on
to
the
natural
stone
patios.
A
So
when
you're
thinking
of
natural
stone,
usually
it's
going
to
be
flagstone
or
what
they
call
cutting
pattern
so
cut
and
patterned
is
going
to
be
you're.
Gonna
have
squares
and
rectangles
matched
together.
That
flagstone
is
that
any
regular
form
needs
to
be
puzzle.
Piece
on
the
site.
Flagstone
is
going
to
be
by
far
the
most
cost:
costly
labor
on
any
patio
project.
It
truly
is
an
art
form
to
go
out
there
and
see
the
stone
put
it
in
place
and
to
tighten
up
those
joints
where
you
don't
have
big
gaps
in
things.
A
Well,
look
at
a
couple
projects
down
the
road
here:
a
one-inch
joint
on
a
flagstone
patio
adds
about
50
percent,
more
labor
than
what
a
2-inch
joint
is
because
you've
got
to
do
so
much
more
work,
get
all
those
joints
tight,
so
you'll
see
some
of
those
options.
That
also
then
makes
a
difference
in
how
that
you
know
the
the
functionality
of
a
patio.
Is
you
tighten
up
the
joint
and,
yes,
you
have
a
higher
potential
being
able
to
put
a
shovel
across
the
surface
of
it.
A
The
wider
those
joints,
the
better
the
chance
that
a
shovel
edge
is
going
to
catch
on
something
a
lot
of
times
with
natural
stone.
If
you've
got
stone
on
your
house,
we
can
actually
use
a
matching
or
the
same
type
of
stone
down
in
a
patio.
So
that's
a
nice
thing
you
can
do
with
natural
stone
and
then
some
of
what
you'll
see
in
these
projects
is,
if
they're,
actually
combining
a
lot
of
multiple
types
of
things
just
to
provide
interest
to
them.
A
First,
one
we're
gonna
look
at
here.
This
is
again
that
type
cutting
pattern,
and
so
you
see
the
blue
stone
here.
You
got
the
squares,
the
rectangles
all
combined
together
to
fit
that
form.
It
comes
from
the
quarry
that
way
so
you're
dealing
with
that
you
got
minimal
cutting
on
site
to
actually
make
the
the
pattern
work.
You
you've
got
to
cut
along
the
edges
a
lot
of
times,
and
then
you
see
on
the
bottom
of
the
picture.
A
How
he's
expanded
the
joint
and
there's
a
ground
cover
in
those
a
lot
of
people
request
that
it's
a
hard
thing
to
do
in
Minnesota.
It
would
be,
it
would
be
wonderful
if
it
wasn't,
but
with
our
climate.
It's
tough,
it's
a
tough
little
thing,
so
it
takes
some
extra
work
digging
out.
You
need
base
underneath
the
stones,
but
then
you
need
to
dig
that
base
out
in
that
joint
and
get
the
right
amount
of
dirt
in
there
so
that
those
plants
can
survive.
A
Also
takes
a
lot
of
patience
when
you're
putting
those
little
plants
in
it
might
be
three
four
years
before
they've
filled
in
to
fill
that
joint.
So
you
can
do
it
quicker
with
sod.
If
you're
looking
at
that,
but
usually
a
sod
joint
needs
to
be
closer
to
four
to
six
inches
before
you're,
going
to
be
able
to
get
good
survival
out
of
it,.
A
Here's
a
flagstone,
patio
and
I
see
you
know
in
a
flagstone.
This
is
one
type
of
stone,
but
you
get
that
variety
of
color
in
it,
so
some
uniqueness
there.
The
joints
on
that
project
are
one
that
I
would
say.
It's
I'd
consider
that
about
a
two
inch
joint,
so
save
a
little
bit
on
labor
from
some
of
the
upcoming
ones
that
you
see
and
you
get
that
uniqueness.
There
are
some
things
you
can
do
with
the
joints
other
than
just
sand.
A
Try
to
get
the
materials
to
hold
in
their
polymeric
joints
and
is
one
know
if
anybody's
heard
anything
about
that.
It's
mortar
doesn't
work
in
joint
in
Minnesota,
because
there
is
so
much
movement.
So
unless
you
pour
basically
a
12-inch
slab
of
concrete
and
then
adhere
the
stone
to
that
slab
with
with
mortar
which
you're
going
to
probably
pay
three
times
or
more
the
cost
for
that
type
of
patio
than
another
one.
A
A
You
know
the
pieces
of
stone,
they
don't
all
look
like
they've
been
cut
into
squares
and
rectangles,
so
much
and
so
very
labor-intensive
to
get
those
joints
that
tight
here's
another
project,
tighter
joints,
not
quite
as
tight
as
the
last
one,
but
a
lot
of
work
to
do
that
with
this
type
of
stone.
Other
thing
that
you
see
there
is
he's
incorporated
abandoning
with
a
different
type
of
stone.
A
Here
definitely
adds
to
the
labor,
but
a
project
like
that
I
mean
it
really
stands
out
and
it
complements
again
what
he's
used
as
boulders
on
the
on
the
retaining
portion
of
things
there
here
again,
another
cut
and
patterned
project
here
he's
gone
with
the
banding,
the
concentric
circles
and
the
material
that
is
used
for
the
banding
here
is
actually
a
little
bit
easier
to
use
for
the
banding
than
that
Pat.
The
last
picture,
the
last
picture,
each
of
those
stones
that
made
the
banding
had
to
be
cut.
A
This
is
a
material
we
can
get
right
from
the
quarry
at
that
dimension.
So
there
is
some
cutting
kind
of
on
end
to
end
between
the
pieces,
but
you're
not
cutting
both
sides
of
everyone,
so
you've
got
some
a
little
bit
of
cost-effectiveness
there.
The
other
piece
you
see,
they've
incorporated
those
boulders
into
the
patio
just
for
some
extra,
whether
it's
seating
or
a
spot,
to
set
a
drink.
Something
like
that.
It
ties
into
the
fire
pit
and
then
you
could
also
incorporate
those
boulders
up
into
your
planting
beds
or
that
space.
A
Here's
another
cut
and
patterned
project.
This
type
of
stone
here
is
Minnesota
dolomite
or
Mankato
Kasota
stone
some
of
historic
buildings
through
st.
Paul
and
Minneapolis
have
a
lot
of
that
stone
on
the
building
and
some
of
what's
going
on
in
this
they've
used
basically
the
same
stone,
but
in
a
different
form
on
both
the
retaining
walls
and
the
fire
pit,
and
then
I,
don't
know
that
it's
exactly
the
same
stolen,
but
a
very
complementary
stone
on
the
waterfall
and
the
and
the
other
boulders
that
are
in
the
picture
there.
A
So
the
cut
and
pattern
form
of
this
again.
It
comes
from
the
quarry
so
you're
putting
it
together.
This
material.
Actually,
the
quarry
cuts
all
that
material,
so
it
is
all
a
consistent
thickness,
but
your
material
cost
on
that
type
of
a
stolen
is
very
high
and
another
downfall
of
this
type
of
patio
is.
This
stone
will
deteriorate
very
quickly
if
you
put
any
salt
on
it,
so
we
want
to
avoid
salt
on
some
of
these
things.
A
Pavers
are
actually
probably
going
to
have
the
best
tolerance
of
salt
of
any
of
the
types
of
patios,
because
the
actual
density
of
the
concrete
paver
it's
about
three
times
of
what
poured
concrete
is
natural
stone.
Certain
ones
will
tolerate
salt
a
little
better,
but
this
is
one
that
doesn't
hold
up
well
to
salt,
so
you've
got
to
consider
that
in
the
winter
here
again
you
see
a
little
combination.
Project
you've
got
the
pattern
paver
of
pattern
of
the
patio
as
flagstone
multicolor.
A
That
is
just
one
variety
of
stone,
but
it
comes
from
the
quarry
with
that.
Much
variation
in
it
he's
incorporated
the
clay
paver
as
the
accent
there
and
then
on
the
outside.
It's
basically
the
same
type
of
stone
here,
but
they've
bought
it
in
the
cut
in
pattern,
form
and
used.
It
so
adds
a
complementary
piece
to
things
there.
A
A
You're
getting
another
flagstone
patio,
some
of
what
I
look
at
what
this
picture
is
how
large
those
pieces
of
stone
are
definitely
adds
to
labor
on
things
and
also
usually
when
you're
buying
those
larger
pieces.
Some
of
these
pieces
is
probably
three
four
feet:
you're,
paying
a
little
bit
more
for
the
stolen
versus
something
that
comes
out.
A
That's
16
inches
it
can
you
can
throw
it
around
pretty
easy
with
one
person,
these
ones,
usually
at
a
two
inch
thickness,
you're
dealing
with
two
or
three
people
per
stone
to
get
it
set
in
properly
and
at
the
right
level.
So
they've
complimented
the
patio
with
those
sitting
boulders
around
it
and
also
tied
some
of
that
stone
into
that
built
in
fire
pit
there.
A
Another
beautiful
outdoor
room,
cutting
pattern
blue
stones.
So
we
looked
at
that
picture
a
couple
slides
ago
with
the
cutting
pattern,
blue
stone
again
picking
out
the
exact
stone
that
you
want
if
you're
looking
for
it,
it
makes
sense
to
go,
find
it
because
there
is
such
a
wide
variety
on
projects.
Here
again,
the
pergola
helps
to
create
a
little
bit
more
of
a
room
effect
and
then
she's
used,
which
what
Alison
calls
a
full
fireplace
in
this
project.
A
If
you're
looking
for
a
fire
feature
a
lot
of
times
fire
if
you're,
looking
at
getting
a
fireplace
built
in
you're,
probably
in
the
starting-point
of
10,000
project,
like
this
I
think
she
had
a
budget
on
that
fire
pit
closer
to
5,000.
So
she
got
that
something,
a
permanent
built-in
structure
that
adds
a
lot
of
character
to
that
project.
A
The
last
flag
stone
that
we're
gonna
look
at
here
again
here:
he's
combined
multiple
types
of
flagstone
in
the
center
pattern,
as
well
as
that
red
clay,
paver
and
then
the
cut
and
pattern
version
on
the
outside
so
versus
just
one
solid
surface.
It
provides
a
lot
of
interest,
not
quite
sure
what
the
thought
is
with
the
circle
in
the
center
there,
whether
that's
a
spot
to
put
a
fountain
or
what
that
might
be.
But
it
definitely
adds
a
little
bit
of
uniqueness
to
the
project.
A
And
then
that's
all
I've
got
for
projects
today.
If
anybody
is
looking,
if
they'd
like
a
copy
of
the
slideshow
of
this
just
to
see,
some
of
the
pictures
at
home
I've
got
some
handouts
in
the
back.
My
email,
if
you
contact
me,
I,
will
be
happy
to
forward
a
sly
auntie,
so
you
can
keep
looking
at
these
projects.
A
Our
website
Bachmann's
landscaping,
calm
the
majority
these
projects
are
up
on
there,
like
I,
said
at
the
beginning,
there's
11
of
us
designers
out
working
on
these
types
of
projects
were
year-round
at
the
planning
process
and
as
soon
as
we
can
in
the
spring,
we're
going
to
get
out
and
work
on
them,
but
we
also
don't
want
to
rush
that
because
we
want
projects
to
last
many
many
years.
Any
questions.