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Description
All windows are not created equal. John Kooiman from TJ Exteriors gives tips on how to be a smart window buyer and installer. This seminar sheds some light on everything there is to know about window replacement.
A
A
Folks,
I'm
John
Coyne
man,
I
work
for
a
company
called
TJ,
exteriors
company,
that's
been
in
business
for
31
years.
I'm
a
part
owner
of
this
company,
and
I've
worked
in
the
window
business
for
over
25
years,
I've
been
to
probably
14
or
15
different
window
factories
I've
been
to
a
couple
different
glass
plants,
I've
done
seminars
before
and
it's
interesting
at
one
of
the
Bloomington
seminars
I
did
years
ago.
They
taped
it
and
put
it
on
their
cable
access
channel
and
then
I
started.
Getting
calls
from
people
who
said
I
saw
you
on
TV.
A
A
So
if
we
could
kind
of
hang
on
to
questions
till
the
end,
unless
you
think
it's
really
pertinent
for
what
I'm
talking
about
at
the
moment,
fine
then
go
ahead
and
stop
me,
but
I'll
try
to
just
work
through
this
for
you
as
we
go.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
there's
many
different
kinds
of
windows:
folks,
there's
wood
windows,
wood
windows
that
are
clad
with
metal
on
the
outside
to
protect
them
windows
that
are
clad
with
vinyl
on
the
outside
to
protect
them.
A
There's
windows
that
have
fiberglass
exteriors
with
wood
interiors
with
composite
exteriors,
would
interiors
there's
all
composite
windows.
There's
all
vinyl
windows,
there's
all
fiber
glass
windows.
Now
what
you
need
to
know
with
all
of
those
products,
whether
it's
wood,
vinyl,
fiberglass
or
composite,
there's
good,
better
and
best?
Okay,
there
are
some
very,
very
good
professional
grade,
vinyl
windows,
they're
few
and
far
between
but
they're
out
there
they're,
typically
never
sold
at
a
box
store
or
a
lumberyard,
so
you'll
have
a
hard
time
finding
them
that
way.
A
The
problems
you
can
have
with
wood
or
rotting
warping,
peeling
cracking
if
you
get
condensation
and
stuff
on
the
window,
you
can
get
mold
growing
and
problems
like
that.
So,
if
you're
thinking
about
what
at
all
I
want
you
to
stay
higher
end
I,
don't
want
you
to
go
out
by
I'm,
going
to
try
and
stay
away
from
mentioning
brand
names
here
today.
A
But
you
know
I
want
you
to
stay
away
from
the
lower
end
stuff,
because
you're
just
going
to
have
more
and
more
problems
now
the
reason
you
want
to
do
a
wood
window,
even
though
this
one
is
all
finished
off
and
white
on
the
inside.
The
main
reason
people
want
to
do
wood
is
it's
the
beauty
of
the
wood
that
they're
looking
for?
That's
the
reason
you
want
to
do
a
wood
window.
It's
the
only
good
reason.
A
I
can
give
you
because
of
all
the
other
problems
you
can
have,
but
the
Marvin
windows
I
sell
that
have
the
blinds.
That
built
are
built
right
into
the
windows
that
can
pop
out
that
have
the
the
crank
out
windows
that
you
can
spin
them
all
the
way
around
to
clean
the
other
side.
I
mean
there's
some
really
nice
features
with
that
window
and
I
can
get
it
with
triple
pane
glass
now,
so
that
I
get
much
more
energy
efficient
along
the
edge
of
the
glass,
so
that
I
don't
have
the
condensation
issues.
A
A
There
are
some
real
big
things
that
you
need
to
be
cautious
about.
Ok,
this
is
soft
light.
This
is
a
window
out
of
Ohio
that
we
have
been
selling
this
window
for
quite
a
few
years
and
what
you
want
to
look
at
with
vinyl
is
number
one
just
what
the
products
made
out
of
you
want
to
find
a
window.
That's
made
out
of
you.
I
PVC
and
people
are
going
to
go.
Oh
well.
What's
all
that
don't
get
too
technical
with
me?
The
U
stands
for
unplaced
Assize.
A
A
You
know
it's
quite
a
bit.
Less
than
a
sixteenth
I
mean
how
good
do
I
have
to
get
folks.
Yes,
a
fiber
glass
window,
anderson's
composite
window.
Their
fabrics
is
going
to
move
less
than
my
vinyl
window,
but
once
again,
how
good
do
I
have
to
be
160?
Fourth
of
an
inch
is
well
within
all
their
tolerances
on
the
weather,
stripping
and
everything
else
on
the
window.
A
A
It
gives
a
better
energy
efficiency
and
it
cuts
down
on
air
infiltration,
because
now,
wherever
I
screw
this
window
in
or
screw
hardware
and
stuff
on
here,
I
don't
just
have
hollow
air
spaces
where
the
air
is
able
to
just
run
all
around
this
where
I
puncture
holes
through
it.
It
stops
the
air
flow
Edna's
tracks
so
that
I
have
a
really
strong
window,
more
durable,
more
energy-efficient
window.
A
A
There's
a
lot
of
other
features
that
go
into
Windows
that
we
can
talk
about.
But
this
is
really
a
nice
maintenance-free
product
and
vinyl
windows
have
come
a
long
way
since
the
first
and
second
generation.
These
third-generation
windows
are
looking
a
lot
lot
better
fiberglass.
If
we
did
a
fiber
glass
window,
you'll
have
to
excuse
me
here.
My
Marvin
integrity
window
took
a
fall
and
got
broken
the
glass.
This
is
all
fiberglass
and
to
make
fiberglass
you
pull
trudat.
A
So,
instead
of
vinyl,
where
you
push
vinyl,
which
is
heated
at
about
400,
500
degrees
and
shoved
through
a
mold
like
play-doh,
you
know-
and
it
comes
out-
makes
the
lineal
for
the
windows-
and
you
put
it
together.
Fiberglass
is
pull
treated
where
you
pull
these
glass
fibers
through
a
heated
die
and
it's
mixed
with
resin,
and
you
end
up
with
them
with
your
shapes
here,
then
it
has
to
get
finished
off
and
painted
that's
a
much
much
more
expensive
process.
So
typically,
fiberglass
is
going
to
be
one
of
your
most
expensive
products
to
use.
A
Now,
why
would
you
want
a
fiber
glass
window?
Fiberglass
is
extremely
durable.
It's
very
strong!
It's
actually,
a
structural
material
could
be
used
structurally
in
anything
you
work
with.
It
doesn't
expand
and
contract,
hardly
at
all,
it's
very
insensitive
to
heat
and
cold
and
to
contraction
and
expansion,
and
holds
up
really
well
in
sunlight.
Okay.
So
the
reason
you'd
want
to
do
fiberglass
is
that
it's
very
strong,
very
durable,
but
it's
not
going
to
make
things
any
more
energy
efficient
for
you
folks.
Eighty
percent
of
our
heat
losses
through
the
glass
in
a
window.
A
Fifteen
percent
of
our
heat
losses
through
air
infiltration
and
another
five
percent
of
our
heat
losses
through
conduction
through
the
frame,
so
it
doesn't
really
make
that
much
difference
what
frame
material
I'm
using
in
terms
of
the
energy
efficiency
of
the
window.
So
this
is
for
durability.
It's
not
that
it's
going
to
make
it
any
more
energy
efficient
or
anything
like
that.
Okay,
nice
stuff!
Now,
I,
don't
have
a
composite
material
window.
That
I
can
show
you
I
do
have
pieces
of.
A
Well,
I
thought
I
had
a
piece
here.
Well,
maybe
I
do
oh
yeah.
Here
we
go
so
here's
a
piece
of
Anderson
renewals,
fiber
x
window
and
if
there's
an
Anderson
person
in
here
you're
going
to
have
to
excuse
me
because
I'm
going
to
talk
about
your
window,
even
though
I
don't
sell
it
because
they
in
snake
install
and
do
that
window
themselves
in
the
Twin
Cities
market,
so
they're
the
only
ones
who
can
sell
it
to
you.
A
It's
made
out
of
what
they
call
fiber
X
5
X
is
a
composite
material
that
sixty
percent
vinyl
twenty-five
percent
sawdust
and
fifteen
percent
thermoplastic
resin
that
hold
it
all
together,
expands
and
contracts
very
little,
very
strong,
durable.
It
is
pretty
brittle
and
can
crack
and
break.
But
once
again
it's
a
pretty
good
material
to
make
a
window
lot
about.
Give
it
that
okay,
the
original
engineers
wanted
to
put
a
ten
percent
fiberglass
in
it
to
make
it
stronger,
but
they
got
shot
down.
A
You'll
also
find
a
few
windows
on
the
market
that
are
made
out
of
cellular
PVC.
That's
where
you
have
a
vinyl,
that's
solid!
You
know
all
the
way
through
so
there's
solid
frames,
you'll
see
very
little
of
it.
There's
really
not
much
difference
doing
this
versus
a
vinyl
window,
except
that
it's
a
little
stronger.
That's
all
alright!
So
any
questions
so
far
on
the
different
kinds
of
windows
up
there.
Anybody
got
a
question
about
what
they
okay,
yeah.
A
Glass
yup
hi,
oh
yeah,
they
come
with
lifetime,
warranties
that
are
one-time
transferable
to
a
new
owner.
The
new
generation
vinyls
are
going
to
last
a
long
long
time
and
that
when
I
say
a
long
long
time,
I
mean
50
years
in
a
home
and
I've
got
windows
that
I
put
in
homes
20
years
ago
with
final
that
have
no
problems
at
all,
but
I
can
show
you
buying
a
windows
that
the
people
have
put
in
10
years
ago.
A
That
are
absolute
junk
that
we're
replacing
in
town
homes
and
stuff
that
some
of
the
big
builders
used
that
those
companies
are
completely
out
of
business
now
and
gone.
You
know
a
lot
of
that.
Wasn't
just
the
vinyls
bad.
It's
at
the
ballot
systems.
The
hardware,
the
glass
packs
just
the
whole
way
they
manufactured
the
window,
was
very,
very
cheap,
so,
like
I
said,
there's
good,
better
and
best,
and
that's
being
nice
about
it,
because
some
of
that
stuff
is
absolute
junk.
It
is
doing
nothing
but
playing
the
price
game.
A
And
seal
failure
we're
going
to
talk
about
that.
That
has
to
do
with
the
glass
and
the
spacer
system
in
them,
and
you
don't
have
to
replace
your
window.
If
that's
happened,
you
just
need
to
replace
the
glass
and
I've
got
a
guy.
You
can
call
and
there's
other
places
in
town
who
will
just
come
out,
replace
glass
for
you.
Seal
failure
is
not
a
failure,
complete
failure
of
the
window.
It's
just
that
your
glass
is
done
and
we'll
go
through
spacer
systems
and
talk
about
that.
Yes,.
A
Depends
on
how
you
fold-
okay,
this
is
all
done
with
its.
You
know.
It's
it's
urethane
foam,
that's
pumped
into
here,
and
you
ought
to
see
this
at
the
factory.
It's
the
messiest
place
in
the
factory.
They
got
these
big
long,
lineal
zuv,
this
material
that
have
been
in
extrude
extruded
by
a
vinyl
manufacturer
and
extruder
and
they're
going
to
then
squirt
the
foam
in
there
and
this
stuff
will
expand.
It
has
to
sit
for
two
weeks
before
they
can
use
it,
because
it'll
expand
out
that
far
out
by
the
time.
A
It's
done
so
it's
going
to
expand
and
cure
inside
here
and
attach
itself
to
the
walls.
Now
there
was
a
company
out
on
the
East
Coast.
We,
you
won't
see
this
window
in
our
area
that
used
a
foam
that
over
time
deteriorated
and
fell
apart,
and
they
got
caught
by
somebody
replacing
some
windows
later
down
the
line
and
had
a
problem
and
they
broke
the
thing
open
and
notice
that
it
all
deteriorated.
Okay,
it
was
a
really
cheap
foam
that
they
were
using
and
it
did
deteriorate
over
time.
A
Also,
the
foam
sticks
that
people
stuff
in
here
that
doesn't
fill
the
whole
area.
It
still
allows
air
to
infiltrate
all
over
the
place,
doesn't
add
any
rigidity
and
strength
to
the
product.
So,
yes,
what
foam
goes
in?
There
is
important
and
the
warranty
behind
it
is
something
you
should
certainly
look
at
yeah
yeah.
A
A
A
So
it
needs
that
wood
in
there
for
strength,
but
now
think
of
it
that
window
you're
going
to
have
places
where
you're
going
to
screw
that
window
in
when
you
install
it
through
the
frame
and
stuff
you're
going
to
attach
hardware
and
stuff
where
you're
screwing
into
it
now
you're
allowing
to
air
to
get
in
there.
Well,
with
air,
you
can
have
moisture,
you
got
a
maintenance-free
material.
Now
you've
got
wood
inside
of
it.
Just
like
the
question
about
the
foeman
is
my
phone
going
to
last?
A
Well,
as
my
would
go
to
last,
you
know
over
time,
I'm
not
going
to
beat
up
on
it
too
bad
I
mean
it's
an
okay
window,
but
it
wouldn't
be
my
choice
just
because
I'm
mixing
two
materials
that
to
me
probably
don't
need
to
be
mixed
and
shouldn't
be
mixed
and
then,
without
that
in
there
it
wouldn't
be
such
a
good
window.
They
really
need
that
for
the
strength
in
there
all
right,
I'm
going
to
move
on
here,
because
we're
going
to
get
stuck
here
run
out
of
all
our
time.
Just
talking
about
this.
A
A
That's
going
to
get
nail
that
window
in
around
the
window
and
hold
it
in
place
to
the
studs,
then
I'm
going
to
take
another
piece
of
4-inch
wrap
and
cover
my
wrap
that
came
up
from
here
and
I'm,
going
to
go
up
like
this
and
then
across
the
top
of
the
window,
I'm
going
to
put
a
drip
cap
and
more
tape
going
across
now
I'm
ready
to
bring
my
trim
in
my
siding
bag.
All
right.
How
am
I
going
to
do
that?
Folks
if
I
got
a
brick
opening?
A
How
am
I
going
to
do
that
if
I
got
steel,
siding
that's
covering
up
my
kneeling
flange
here
the
sightings
coming
right
up
and
covering
the
flange
of
my
old
window
or
I
got
stuck.
Oh,
it's
a
big
issue.
What
you'll
see
a
lot
of
companies
do
is
come
in.
Take
a
sawzall
cut
that
flange
off
pull
the
window
out.
A
Now
with
vinyl
siding,
my
company
will
always
loosen
the
vinyl
siding
on
the
window
and
do
what
we
need
to
do
and
then
bring
it
back
and
put
it
in
place
with
steel,
siding,
sometimes
we'll
take
steal
off
the
house
to
get
it
done
right
and
then
put
it
back
up
with
stucco.
Sometimes
we'll
cut
two
inches
or
rom
the
window.
To
get
at
that
flange
get
our
tape
and
be
able
to
do
all
the
things
we
need
to
do
to
get
it
right
with
brick.
We're
really
really
kind
of
stuck.
A
We've
almost
got
to
use
a
Z
strip,
a
little
flashing
piece
in
the
clock.
We
use
a
rope
piece
on
the
inside
to
try
and
seal
it
off.
It's
made
out
of
a
neoprene
type
material.
We
foam
from
this
nailing
flange
all
the
way
back
in
on
the
wall.
You
know
to
try
and
fill
that
and
insulate
that
whole
area
in
there,
but
that's
what
you're
up
against,
when
you're
doing
a
full
frame
replacement.
A
Now
an
insert
replacement
is
where
I
leave
the
existing
frame
of
the
old
window
in
the
wall
and
I'm
inserting
a
new
window
within
that
old
frame.
Now
I
don't
have
to
mess
with
siding
when
I
do
that,
I
don't
have
to
mess
with
your
existing
trim.
Typically
on
the
inside.
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
paint
lines
or
tile
on
the
inside,
but
there's
some
downsides
to
an
insert.
A
The
first
one
is
I'm
putting
a
window
inside
of
another
window,
so
I'm
going
to
lose
glass
space,
ok
and
it
typically
ends
up
running
anywhere
from
about
three
quarters
of
an
inch
all
the
way
up
to
two
inches,
all
the
way
around
the
sides
of
the
window,
and
you
can
get
quite
noticeable.
So
your
sales
guys
should
be
knowledgeable
enough
to
show
you
where
their
windows
going
to
come
out
on
your
existing
glass
now
and
show
you
what
you're
going
to
lose.
A
A
You
need
to
pull
the
whole
window
out.
You
need
to
get
that
whole
sill,
replace.
If
you've
got
a
lot
of
rot
and
stuff,
you
need
the
full
frame
replace
with
you.
Don't
need
an
insert
where
it's
half
a
job.
Ok,
it's
only
by
doing
a
full
frame.
Then
I
get
all
the
way
back
to
see
everything
in
today's
world.
Folks
we're
starting
to
find
a
lot
of
rot
blow
windows.
Then
it's
on
newer
homes
in
the
80's
90's
2000s,
where
sheeting
studs
rot
now
we're
a
general
contractor
that
specializes
the
next
year
remodeling.
A
So
this
is
not
a
problem
for
us
if
we
have
to
dig
deep,
we'll
do
it,
but
a
lot
of
companies
are
just
kind
of
window
jockeys
that
don't
get
very
far,
even
somebody
like
Anderson
renewal.
They
will
not
alter
an
opening
for
you.
They
will
not
make
a
new
opening
for
you.
You've
got
to
call
a
carpenter.
Have
that
done,
then
they'll
come
out
and
do
windows.
They
won't
do
anything
but
a
simple
window
install.
A
Typically,
the
answer
to
that
is
no,
but
there's
one
caveat
to
that.
If
the
old
window
wasn't
insulated
properly
around
it
in
the
first
place,
most
people
who
are
doing
inserts
are
not
digging
deep
enough
to
check
that
and
see
that
that
would
mean
you'd
have
to
pull
off
either
trim
on
the
inside
of
the
outside
to
see
that
and
if
they're
not
doing
that
and
that
old
window
didn't
have
proper
insulation
around
it.
You
could
still
get
a
lot
of
air
leakage
around
the
window.
A
Yes,
but
before
I
make
that
judgment,
I
might
pull
a
few
casings
off
and
have
a
look
back
behind
there,
because,
where
you
think
you
might
be
getting
air
infiltration
from
may
not
actually
be
from
you
know.
The
insulation
around
the
window
you'd
almost
need
to
really
feel
really
cold
on
the
wall
and
maybe
see
some
frost
around
those
casings
to
know
that
that's
not
done
I
carry
a
heat
gun
around,
so
I
can
figure
it
out
real
quick.
What
some
of
your
problems
are
with
the
window?
So
alright!
A
A
Everybody
has
probably
heard
about
energy
star
right:
okay,
basically
out
there
today,
folks,
if
you
don't
buy
a
window,
that's
energy
star,
you
probably
have
a
pretty
lousy
window
and
energy
star
was
set
up,
I,
don't
know
around
2000
or
something
here's
an
energy
star
sticker
folks,
if
you've
got
an
energy
starred
window,
it's
got
to
have
one
of
these
on
the
window
when
its
installed.
Okay,
now
the
beauty
of
Energy
Star
and
having
this
n
frc
testing
natural
national
fenestration
rating
council
testing
is
that
its
third
independent
testing?
A
It's
not
propaganda
from
the
window
companies.
It's
not
sales,
guys,
just
telling
you
what
you
want
to
hear.
Okay,
this
can't
be
fudged.
They're,
going
to
take
windows
right
out
of
a
factory
they're,
going
to
bring
them
to
their
facilities,
they're
going
to
test
them
now,
the
most
important
thing
you
need
to
look
at
on
an
energy
star
sticker
and
in
your
process
of
trying
to
find
good
windows.
You
better
see
this.
If
they
won't
show
you
this,
you
need
to
walk
away.
A
A
If
you
could
pass
it
over
to
them,
okay,
all
right,
so
the
most
important
thing
is
that
one
that's
in
the
upper
left-hand
corner,
which
is
called
the
u-factor
okay,
the
u-factor
is
the
overall
energy
rating
on
the
window,
the
lower
that
number,
the
better
okay
not
to
hire
the
lower
the
number.
The
better
energy
star
this
year,
there's
a
new
energy
star
rating
for
this
year.
That
is
point
two:
seven,
okay,.
A
My
Marvin
window
that
I
sell
the
best
energy
rating
I
can
get
with
that
window
is
point
two
nine.
My
Marvin
window
does
not
meet
the
minimum
energy
standard
for
energy
star
anymore.
Now
they
are
getting
by
with
it
being
what
it
is,
because
one
of
these
other
figures
on
here
the
solar
heat
gain
coefficient,
which
is
something
I,
can
talk
about,
but
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
time
here
today.
This
is
the
amount
of
infrared
heat,
the
heat
from
the
Sun,
that
it
allows
into
the
house
and
that's
my
phone
going.
A
You
guys
forgot
to
turn
it
off,
we'll
just
get
rid
of
that.
The
solar
heat
gain
coefficient.
If
you're
below
point
30.
They
still
allow
you
at
point
two
nine
to
be
called
energy
star
if
your
solar
heat
gain
coefficient
is
below
30,
but
it's
kind
of
a
fudge
factor
thing
you
guys
and
it's
a
little
bit
disingenuous
as
to
what
they're
doing
Anderson
Anderson,
Marvin
and
Pella
all
have
the
same
problem.
A
The
best
they
do
is
point
two,
nine
now
I,
don't
know
what
all
the
stickers
are
floating
around,
but
I've
got
windows
that
will
go
all
the
way
down
to
point
one
four
four
au
factor,
almost
half
of
what
energy
star
is,
but
that's
when
I'm
getting
into
triple
pane
glass
folks
and
it
stood
argon
gas
in
between
the
panes,
I'm
using
Krypton
and
keep
in
Superman
to
your
house.
Okay,
so
there's
a
lot
of
things.
A
I
can
do
with
glass
to
make
it
more
energy-efficient
and,
as
I
told
you
earlier,
eighty
percent
of
our
heat
loss
in
a
window
is
through
the
glass.
So
what
I
do
with
glass
is
going
to
have
a
big
effect
on
the
energy
efficiency
of
my
window?
Now,
here's
two
panes
of
glass
right
here
and
my
Marvin's
got
to
both
companies
now
will
do
triple
pane
in
their
window.
A
A
These
coatings
have
gotten
very
sophisticated,
where
there's
anywhere
from
10
to
14
different
layers
tool
now
that
are
all
molecule
thick
stuff
that
they're
doing
and
have
really
helped
make
the
energy
efficiency
better
in
the
windows,
in
conjunction
with
that,
they
are
now
no
longer
just
leaving
regular
air
in
here,
but
they're
filling
that
window
with
argon
gas,
which
is
seven
times
heavier
than
regular
air.
So
it
acts
like
a
dense
blanket
in
there
that
slows
down
the
conduction
of
heat
or
cold
through
here.
A
A
For
a
minute,
if
I
add
a
third
pane
of
glass,
now
I
got
two
dead
air
spaces
in
there
versus
one
two
chambers,
the
cold
or
heat,
has
to
try
to
get
through
with
these
dense
gases
in
and
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
if
you
don't
like
argon
I
can
get
your
Krypton,
which
is
ten
times
heavier
again
than
argon.
It
works
even
better,
but
it's
more
expensive.
Okay
in
Minnesota,
the
absolute
best
place
to
have
your
low
emissivity
coatings
would
be
they
always
put
them
in
the
inside
on
the
inside
piece.
A
They
don't
want
it
expose
where
it
gets
scratched
or
messed
up
in
any
way.
They'll
put
it
in
here,
but
the
best
place
for
it
would
be
on
the
inside
of
the
inside
pain,
because
we
have
many
more
heating
days
than
we
have
cooling
days.
So
we
want
the
infrared
heat
from
the
house
reflected
back
right
away
before
I
can
get
in
here
and
warm
this
up.
Andrey
radiated
to
the
outside,
but
most
glass
companies
with
two
panes
always
put
it
to
the
outside.
A
A
The
other
problem
is
that
that
heat
when
it
comes
through
that
glass,
if
you
had
it
on
the
inside
you
let
that
heat
come
in
here,
you
can
get
up
to
160
degrees
in
between
these
paints
and
that's
going
to
create
a
lot
of
seal
failure
where
you
get
moisture
and
dirt
between
the
panes.
So
let's
talk
about
spacers,
because
this
is
important
in
between
the
panes
of
glass.
What's
holding
it
apart
can
be
very,
very
important
to
the
overall
energy
efficiency
of
your
window.
A
So
the
cold
from
the
outside
comes
right
across
to
the
inside,
creates
a
cold
edge,
creates
condensation
because
warm
air
comes
over,
get
schooled
cold
air
can't
hold
as
much
moisture
as
warm
boom
puts
it
right
there
on
the
edge,
rot,
mold
all
the
problems,
all
the
issues,
these
metal
spacers
too,
don't
you
know,
expand
and
contract,
but
they
don't
always
come
back
to
the
same
place
and
shape
and
seals
start
breaking
on
them.
My
favorite
spacer
in
a
window
is
the
one
that's
on
this
soft
light
window.
A
A
So
once
I
get
into
this
spacer,
even
with
two
panes
of
glass,
I
get
rid
of
a
lot
of
condensation
when
I
go
triple
pane.
The
only
time
you'll
have
a
problem
is
when
you're
boiling
spaghetti
by
the
kitchen
window
or
you're,
taking
a
big
steamy
shower
and
got
it
all
steamed
up
in
the
bathroom
I
can't
help
you
out
there
you'd
better,
get
the
fan
going.
You
know,
and
so
spacer
systems
are
very,
very
important
in
Windows.
The
two
best
are
this
spacer
right
here
now:
there's
some
copycat
stuff:
here's
the
duralite
spacer!
A
This
is
the
guys
who
made
swig
'old.
It
had
a
lot
of
failure
rate
with
that.
This
is
a
neoprene
spacer.
That's
got
a
plastics
wiggle
in
it
and
stuff.
This
can
distort
and
get
out
of
shape
and
have
seal
failure
problems
after
a
period
of
time,
but
it
is
very
energy
efficient
because
it
doesn't
have
metal
in
it.
So
unfortunately,
I
know
all
these
things.
You
guys
don't
that's.
Why
we're
doing
this
today,
but
I
know
this
is
going
to
be
maybe
hard
today,
just
all
of
this
information
with
that.
A
That's
super,
you
know,
they're
not
going
to
stay
nearly
as
warm
because
they're
metal,
but
they
are
a
very
durable
spacer
Cardinal
XL
there
they're,
making
all
the
glass
for
Marvin
Anderson,
Paulo
and
a
whole
lot
of
other
people,
the
ones
I
don't
like
you
know
as
your
old
fashioned
aluminum
their
junk,
but
hardly
anybody
is
using
them.
You'll
find
a
lot
of
vinyl
guys,
though,
still
using
the
intercept
spacer,
it's
a
galvanized
steel
spacer
that
is
u-shaped.
We
see
a
lot
of
seal
failure
with
this
and
once
again,
the
energy
efficiency.
A
Isn't
that
great
with
it
with
glass
to
you
know,
I
can
get
a
lot
of
different
coatings
for
different
situations.
I
can
get
rid
of
99.8
percent
of
the
UVA
and
be
raised
that
cause
fading
and
stuff.
So
I
can
save
your
furniture,
your
drapes,
your
flooring
from
getting
all
wrecked
and
messed
up.
Okay,.
A
A
Now
you
think
I'm
full
of
it
out.
Self-Cleaning
glass
is
actually
two
layers
on
the
exterior
of
the
glass
on
the
outside
a
layer
of
titanium
dioxide
that
reacts
to
sunlight
the
UV
rays
from
sunlight.
So
it
works
on
the
cloudiest
days,
UV
rays,
bounce
on
the
north-south,
east-west
sides
of
the
house,
activates
the
surface
and
breaks
down
organic
material,
dirt
matter
and
stuff,
and
then
the
other
coating
that's
on.
A
It
is
a
silicon
dioxide
which
makes
the
glass
hydrophilic
so
that
when
it
gets
wet
the
water
sheets
across
the
whole
pain
instead
of
streaking
and
beating
like
regular
glass.
So
this
dirt
that's
been
degraded
is
now
loosened
on
the
surface
when
it
rains
it
takes
all
that
off
it
dries
without
any
streaking
and
beating
okay.
Ten
years
ago,
when
this
came
out,
I
did
six
windows
in
my
house
I'm
a
pretty
big
skeptic
about
some
of
this
stuff.
A
They
are
my
cleanest
windows
in
the
house,
but
I
would
never
tell
you
you're
never
going
to
have
to
clean
them.
Okay,
you
might
want
to
do
that
and
when
you
do
they're
really
easy
to
clean,
they
clean
a
lot
easier
to
then
regular
windows.
It'll,
add
about
50
bucks
to
the
cost
to
your
window.
Now
with
double
hugs.
There
are
ballot
systems
that
go
in
here.
A
I
would
tell
you
to
try
and
stay
away
from
the
old
ballot
systems
the
spiral
ballots
like
that's
a
piece
of
junk
you
can
get
into
the
rope
and
pulley
stuff.
It's
not
that
bad,
it's
in
a
lot
of
Windows,
but
there's
a
lot
of
mechanical
stuff
to
go
wrong
with
it.
I
actually
like
the
new
tongue,
springs
a
lot
less
to
go
wrong
with
these.
This
is
just
a
normal
vinyl
window.
Here's
the
one
out
of
the
soft
light
window.
You
can
see
how
much
thicker
it
is.
A
You
know
it
makes
a
huge
difference
in
terms
of
its
durability
and
how
it
lasts
in
the
window.
I
should
also
mention
with
this
window.
Besides
the
foam
filling
in
there,
there's
reinforcing
that's
put
in
it.
A
lot
of
Windows
will
use
steel
and
aluminum
very
conductive.
This
is
a
Kevlar
material.
They
call
it
there
k
beam
that
is
stronger
than
steel,
less
conductive
than
fiberglass.
A
That
goes
through
these
frame
members
stiffens
this
window
up,
so
it
has
a
design
pressure
rating
of
DP
65,
which
means
100
95
mile
an
hour
winds
before
it
will
blow
in
in
a
storm.
So
it's
a
very
strong,
very
durable
window,
and
we
haven't
gotten
into
the
independent
testing
for
air
infiltration,
water
infiltration
or
design
pressure.
That's
out
there.
Those
are
some
other
things.
You
could
look
into
that.
Give
you
a
good
idea
of
how
well
the
windows
made.
A
Casement
casement
windows,
it's
all
the
hardware
and
stuff
with
the
windows
thats.
You
know
really
important
there.
If
you're
putting
in
triple
pane
glass
in
a
casement
window,
you're
going
to
want
the
maximum
strength
oversized
hardware,
because
you've
got
a
lot
of
weight
in
that
window.
That
just
wants
to
go
out
and
down.
A
If
you
don't
have
the
proper
hardware
it's
going
to
sag,
and
then
you
got
the
old
crank
outs,
don't
want
to
come
in
and
you
got
to
go
to
the
outside
to
push
them
in
or
just
forget
about
and
let
it
leak
a
lot
of
air
yeah
slider
windows
are
your
most
energy,
inefficient
windows
and
their
problem
is
air
infiltration
rate.
So
you
should
really
really
be
looking
at
the
air
infiltration
rate
on
a
window.
A
Now
here's
the
problem,
you're
going
to
find
a
huge
bunch
of
the
sales
guys
that
are
out
there
in
the
marketplace,
don't
even
know
what
the
air
infiltration
rate
is
on
their
windows.
Okay,
it's
kind
of
ridiculous,
but
where
you
fail,
the
test
on
air
infiltration
is
at
Point,
30.
Okay,
this
is
air
infiltration.
A
Now
remember
with
Energy
Star:
this
is
all
done
by
the
NFR,
see
National
fenestration
rating
Council,
independently
testing
for
air
infiltration.
It's
AMA,
American
architectural
manufacturing
Association
up
here.
This
is
all
mandatory,
got
to
do
it
if
you
want
to
be
energy
start.
This
is
voluntary.
A
Okay,
which
is
a
real
pain
because
number
one
not
everybody
has
to
do
it
number
two.
You
can
do
your
own
testing
and
come
up
with
your
own
bogus
figures,
but
if
something's
a
a
ma
tested
in
their
gold
label
program,
they
also
have
a
silver
label
program.
That's
absolutely
worthless.
The
gold
label
program
is
where
they
can
come
in
once
every
six
months,
pull
windows
right
off
the
line
and
test
them
to
their
protocol,
and
it's
a
true
test.
A
The
silver
label
program
is
where,
if
you
just
follow
their
protocol,
you
can
doctor
your
window
in
any
way.
You
want
test
it
yourself
and
have
a
little
disclaimer
at
the
end
of
the
ten
page
test
report
that
says
this
may
not
actually
be
a
window
that
you
would
buy
and
have
it
installed
in
your
home.
Okay.
So
if
it's
not
gold,
labeled,
it's
pretty
worthless.
Now
this
particular
window
right
here
with
their
casements
double
hugs
and
sliders-
are
at
point
O
two
cubic
feet
per
minute:
feet:
squared
okay.
A
So
what
does
that
mean
to
you?
The
homeowner?
That's
about
one
and
a
half
pop
cans
of
air
coming
through
that
window.
Every
minute,
most
slider
windows
typically
run
between
point
one,
five
and
point
30,
that's
like
two
gallons
of
air
plus
coming
through
the
window,
every
minute
versus
one
and
a
half
pop
cans.
A
A
We
don't
care,
but
when
I
change
a
window
from
a
slider
to
anything
else,
I'm
no
longer
grandfathered
in
with
what
you've
got
in
there
and
it
probably
not
meeting
the
new
egress
code.
So
if
I
change
it,
I'm
now
must
meet
egress.
So
maybe
the
only
thing
that
would
fit
in
there
that
might
make
it
would
be
a
casement
window
that
cranks
out
all
the
way
that
might
make
it
encasements
are
your
most
energy-efficient
windows
when
they're
operating
right,
double-hung,
snack
sliders,
are
your
last.
A
Yep
push
them
back
and
forth,
lift
them
out
for
cleaning
I
can
take
them
right
over
to
the
sink
clean
them
up,
bring
them
back
put
them
in
once
again,
you
just
need
to
be
looking
at
what
you're
buying
you
really
need
to
with
them.
It's
some
specific
things
that
you're
looking
at
in
those
windows
to
make
sure
you've
got
a
good
deal
now
we're
over
our
time,
but
the
next
person
doesn't
come
in
till
12,
so
I'm
going
to
move
some
stuff
away.
I'll
take
questions.
A
I've
got
business
cards
here,
we've
got
a
booth
downstairs
right
along
the
theater
section
down
at
the
last
end.
You
know
all
this
has
been
as
kind
of
a
cursory
kind
of
go
over
to
kind
of
give
you
guys
at
least
some
hints
about
where
you
need
to
go.
You
can
I
can
pass
out
cards
if
you
want
a
card
and.
A
A
A
A
I
have
a
windows
in
a
bedroom
with
movie
places
in
vinyl
on
windows,
I'm
grandfathered
in
grandfather,
and
they
don't
have
to
be
afraid
to
grasp
window
only
if
I
alter
the
opening
or
change
to
a
different
type
of
window
am
I
not
now
we
got
to
be
careful
about
what
I
say
here,
because
if
I
get
into
st.
Paul,
they
got
a
fire
marshal
in
st.
Paul,
who
has
decided
to
interpret
the
building
code
in
his
own
way
and
you'll
probably
have
to
get
a
variance
in
st.
cloud
are
in
st.
Paul
significant.