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Live Bloomington Minnesota Planning Commission Meeting
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All
right
good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
september
10th
bloomington
planning,
commission
meeting
the
planning
commission
advises
the
city
council
on
development
proposals,
development
standards,
long-range
planning
and
transportation
issues,
some
items,
the
planning
commission
has
final
authority
and
others.
The
city
council
makes
the
final
decision.
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All
right
for
those
just
a
little
more
her
glenn
for
those
not
familiar
with
how
the
public
process
works
during
the
planning
commission,
the
planning
commission
opens.
The
planning
commission
opens
the
hearing
and
the
staff
give
a
report
after
the
staff
report.
The
public
may
speak
to
the
application,
and
if
there
are
a
large
number
of
people
who
wish
to
speak
to
that
application,
we
may
limit
the
time
all
questions
should
be
directed
to
the
chair.
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Anybody
wishing
to
testify
and
to
patch
them
through
when
it's
time
during
the
public
hearing,
so
to
do
that
call
the
number
on
the
screen
it's
866-873-0999
and
then
you
would
give
them
the
id
number
that
is
on
the
screen
as
well,
which
is
979,
2632
and
we'll
have
that
scrolling
across
the
bottom
of
the
screen
throughout
the
public
hearing,
so
that
people
can
refer.
To
that.
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I'm
told
the
screen.
Crawl
does
not
work
on
on
youtube,
live,
not
youtube,
but
does
not
work
on
one
of
the
formats,
but
it
does
work
on
most
of
the
formats
so
and
it
would
not
be
there
on
a
recording
as
well.
So
at
any
rate,
just
call
that
number
and
the
operator
will
queue
you
up
when
it's
time
to
testify.
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Okay,
all
right
so
good
evening,
mata
or
mr
chair
and
commissioners.
First
item
on
your
agenda
is
for
a
conditional
use
permit
for
an
athletic
training
facility.
I'm
gonna
try
to
see
it.
There
we
go.
Okay,
the
address
is
9051
lindale
avenue.
It's
an
existing
office
warehouse
building
on
lindale
avenue,
just
south
of
90th
street.
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Just
some
miscellaneous
items
to
mention
here
the
parking
is
compliant
they're,
pretty
much
on
the
cusp
of
the
required
parking.
The
required
parking
is
82
spaces,
they
have
83
parking
spaces,
provided
so
any
change
and
use
or
any
change
in
the
existing
office.
Warehouse
should
be
reviewed
by
staff
in
order
to
make
sure
the
parking
is
compliant
and
then.
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In
addition,
the
applicant
has
submitted
a
compliant
lighting
plan
for
the
spaces
used
by
the
tenant
and
they've
also
submitted
a
larger
proof
of
parking
plan
for
the
remainder
of
the
site
and
glade
conduit
for
future
installation,
which
is
good
and
then.
Lastly,
staff
has
reviewed
the
landscaping
plan
from
1983
with
current
aerial
imagery
and
found
that
there's
several
trees
and
shrubs
missing.
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Thank
you
for
the
patience.
That's
the
second
time
in
a
row.
I've
fallen
for
that
trap,
unfortunately
good
evening,
chairman
solberg
and
members
of
the
planning
commission.
The
item
number
two
on
your
agenda
is
for
a
15
unit,
townhome
development
at
two
sites
that
are
currently
zoned
for
single
family,
residential
use,
so
we'll
get
into
the
site
plan
and
all
the
different
documents
here
as
part
of
my
presentation.
But
before
I
begin,
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
we're
lucky
or
fortunate
to
have
a
wide
scope
of
the
engineering
staff.
G
Also
supporting
us
in
this
presentation,
so
brian
greedle
from
stormwater
resources
is
on
the
call,
as
well
as
kirk
roberts,
the
traffic
engineer,
as
well
as
julie,
long,
the
city
engineer.
So
in
case
you
have
some
of
those
questions
just
given
the
amount
of
correspondence
that
we've
received
in
the
nature.
Some
of
the
questions,
some
of
their
expertise
may
be
helpful
in
in
some
cases.
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G
I
will
provide
that
slide
one
more
time
at
the
end
of
my
presentation,
just
for
folks
who
are
interested
in
calling
in
so
getting
to
the
subject.
Sites
themselves.
Here
is
a
location
map
here
before
you.
The
two
sites
are
in
yellow,
combined
the
sites
total
up
to
just
under
1.9
acres
in
size,
so
they
are
larger
residential
sites
for
single
family.
G
It's
just
to
the
north
of
penn
lake
park.
You
can
see
upper
and
lower
penn
lake
just
to
the
east.
The
site
is
located
at
the
northeast
intersection
of
west
86th
street
and
penn
avenue.
South
86th
street
is
a
major
collector
road
and
penn
avenue
is
a
minor
arterial.
According
to
the
city's
functional
classification
in
terms
of
surrounding
uses,
the
use,
with
the
exception
of
the
park
to
the
south,
these
sites
are
surrounded
by
single-family
residential
uses.
G
This
is
just
an
oblique
image
of
the
site.
The
reason
I
just
bring
this
up
is
just
this
picture
probably
doesn't
even
do
a
great
job
of
visually
communicating
it,
but
the
site
does
have
a
lot
of
grade.
Currently,
it
has
a
slope
of
about
17
percent,
so
there
is
a
larger
hill
in
the
kind
of
middle
portion
of
the
site
and
it
slopes
downwards
in
all
directions
from
there.
G
Just
to
note
the
existing
single
family
home-
that's
there
today
was
recently
demolished.
The
property
owner
did
obtain
a
demolition
permit
for
that
work,
and
that
does
not
require
any
special
zoning
approval
prior
to
that
action.
So
just
a
note
about
that,
you
know
the
pyramid
of
discretion,
so
we
don't
deal
with
comprehensive
plan
amendments.
G
Too
often
we
deal
with
rezonings
more
often
than
comp
plan
amendments,
but
I
just
include
this
slide
as
a
way
to
state
that
of
the
full
menu
of
different
actions
that
the
planning
commission
advises.
The
city
council
on
and
the
city
council
takes
action
action
on
as
well
as
items
that
you
guys
act
on,
there's
different
levels
of
discretion
for
these
different
types
of
actions
and
two
of
the
items
before
you
this
evening
are
at
the
the
end
of
the
pyramid,
which
is
the
highest
level
of
discretion.
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The
the
converse
to
that
or
the
opposite
of
that
would
be
a
site
plan.
That
was
fully
code
compliant
with
the
correct
underlying
zoning.
The
city
would
have
little
discretion
to
deny
such
an
application
if
it
was
meeting
all
the
performance
standards
of
city
code
in
this
case,
because
of
the
request
to
amend
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
as
well
as
amend
the
city's
zoning
map,
there's
a
high
level
of
discretion
in
associated
with
this
application.
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So
I
do
want
to
note
that,
as
planning
commission
considers,
you
know
its
its
judgment
or
its
actions
get
into
the
comprehensive
guide
plan
amendment.
So
these
sites,
given
that
they
were
are
utilized
for
single
family
residential
uses,
is
guided
low
density
residential
in
the
city's
guide.
The
land
use
guide
plan,
so
the
land
use
guide
plan
provides
future
guidance
for
all
sites
in
the
city
and
currently
the
guidance
of
these
two
sites
is
low
density
residential.
What
that
means
is
that
residential
uses
are
allowed
between
zero
and
five
units
to
the
acre.
G
Now,
certainly,
as
I
showed
you
in
the
location
map,
this
site
does
meet
that
qualification
with
west
86th
street
and
penn
avenue
south
in
terms
of
just
from
a
land
use
standpoint.
The
comp
plan
recommends
higher
densities
of
residential
for
sites
that
have
access
to
those
transportation
facilities,
but
also
have
access
to
amenities
like
public
parks,
as
well
as
benefit
from
proximity
to
transit
service,
which
this
site
also
has
all-day
bus
service
in
close
proximity.
G
G
Types
and
townhomes
do
serve
an
important
part
of
the
housing
mix.
In
bloomington
they
do
serve
a
different
type
of
housing
in
terms
of
it's
typically
association
maintained
or
has
lower
maintenance
requirements
than
single-family
housing.
So
it
does
fulfill
a
need
for
some
folks
who
are
looking
for
something
different
than
single-family
homes.
G
I
would
be
remiss
not
to
also
add
that
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
does
include
information
about
protecting
the
character
of
single-family
residential
neighborhoods,
as
well,
as
you
know,
protecting
the
environment
and
certain
other
policy
goals
and
strategies
that
could
be
seen
as
pertinent.
In
this
case.
I
just
want
to
note,
from
a
staff
perspective
that
we
do
not
feel
that
medium
density,
housing
or
town
homes
is
incompatible
with
single
family.
G
We'll
provide
some
additional
analysis
to
that
to
that
point,
but
when
we
think
about
incompatible
uses,
what
we're
really
thinking
about
is
say
residential
next
to
a
commercial
or
industrial
as
being
the
most
incompatible.
So
just
to
make
that
point,
so
we
do
support
re-guiding
this
site
to
that
medium
density
category.
We
do
think
it
is
appropriate
in
this
case.
G
G
Excuse
me
from
r1
to
the
r3
town,
home
residential
zoning
district
and
this
zoning
district
was
created
in
2015.
This
would
be
the
first
application
of
the
zoning
district
in
the
city
of
bloomington,
given
that
it
was
created
in
2015,
and
you
know
the
reason
being
it's
not
so
much
that
this
is
some
kind
of
unprecedented
land
use
or
location
or
that
or
that
it's
more
so
just
that
previously
town
home
developments
kept
their
r1
base
zoning
district
or
were
rezoned
r4
previously.
G
G
What
are
the
goals
and
strategies
that
it
seeks
to
implement,
and
we
find
that
that,
similar
to
our
recommendation
with
respect
to
the
comp
plan
that
the
use
of
the
r3
zoning
district
would
be
appropriate
for
this
location?
Given
the
criteria
that
I
talked
about
earlier,
just
to
note
about
the
specific
density
range
of
the
r3
zoning
district,
the
r3
allows
a
maximum
residential
or
residential
density.
Excuse
me
of
8
units
per
acre.
G
One
of
the
things
that
we
did
in
our
staff
report
and
again
getting
to
the
idea
of
incompatible,
use
or
kind
of
what.
What
does?
What
do?
Townhomes
in
bloomington
look
like.
Certainly
when
you
have
a
change
of
land
use
from
a
single
family
to
another
land
use
in
an
existing
single
family
neighborhood
that
is
going
to
draw
some
concern
from
surrounding
neighbor
surrounding
neighbors
and
surrounding
property
owners,
understood
just
given
the
change,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
what
just
kind
of
evaluate
what
is
else
out
there
in
the
community.
G
From
this
standpoint,
what
we
provided
in
our
staff
report
was
that
we
found-
and
this
was
out
without
having
to
do
a
very
difficult,
deep
dive
or
look
at
it.
It
wasn't
difficult
to
find.
We
quickly
picked
out
seven
other
townhome
developments
in
the
city
of
bloomington.
That
kind
of
meet
the
same
criteria
as
the
project
before
you
this
evening
and
by
that
is
what
we
did
is
we
wanted
to
keep.
G
We
wanted
to
select
developments
that
were
30
units
or
less
so
there
are
some
townhome
developments
in
the
community
that
have
you
know,
50
or
even
70,
some
units,
a
very
large
number.
We
don't
think
that
those
are
good
comparisons,
just
on
the
basis
of
the
size
and
magnitude
of
those
developments,
so
we
selected
developments
that
are
30
units
or
less
and
they
all
border
single
family
residential
uses
and
what
we
really
wanted
to
evaluate.
On
the
basis
of
doing
this
comparison
is
we
wanted
to
evaluate
a
couple
things?
G
G
So
the
project
before
you
this
evening
does
have
access
both
to
an
arterial
collector
and
is
being
proposed
with
secondary
access,
dependent
avenue.
Getting
back
to
my
first
question
about
density,
the
density
before
you
this
evening
is
again
just
under
eight
units
per
acre
of
the
penn
lake
city
homes,
of
the
other
seven
that
we
recorded.
There
was
two
developments
that
had
higher
densities
than
what's
being
proposed
this
evening
and
five
with
lesser
density.
So
I
would
say
what
is
proposed
for
you
this
evening
is
on
the
higher
end
of
that
range.
G
We
did
have
one
of
those
developments
that
was
as
great
as
10.6
units
per
acre,
and
then
we
had
one
develop
one
town
home
development
that
was
as
low
as
4.5
units
to
the
acre,
but
that
was
a
very
small
development
at
only
eight
units.
So
hopefully,
these
developments
provide
you
kind
of
a
good
slice
of
comparison
as
well,
as
you
know,
help
folks
understand
that
it's
not
uncommon
to
have
townhome
development,
a
budding
or
adjacent
to
single
family
residential
development.
G
It's
just
again
when
you're
talking
about
a
change
going
from
single
family
to
medium
density.
That
is
part.
It's
part
of
that
change.
That
is
certainly
going
to
elicit
more
concern
or
more
of
a
response
so
getting
to
the
development
itself.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
about
the
comp
plan
and
the
rezoning
and
some
of
these
comparisons.
G
G
They
are
proposing
a
full
access
with
full
turning
movements
at
west
86th
street.
Just
to
note
that
that
is
one
of
the
city's
bicycle
boulevard
street
with
bicycle
facilities
on
it.
So,
just
to
note
that-
and
they
are
proposing
currently
a
half
right
and
right
out
access
to
penn
avenue,
which
is
a
county
facility,
and
we
will
talk
more
about
that,
as
well
as
part
of
the
city's
development
requirements.
G
G
G
We
do
support
that,
having
the
structures
closer
to
the
street,
not
only
pulls
the
development
a
little
bit
closer
towards
the
street
helps
frame
the
street,
but
it
does
provide
improved
pedestrian
access
to
these
units.
One
of
the
one
of
the
kind
of
key
features
from
staff's
perspectives,
which
we
think
is
a
positive
design
feature,
is
the
pedestrian
access
directly
to
the
public
network
of
these
units.
So
certainly
you
get
the
garages
to
the
internal
portion
of
the
site.
G
While
you
have
this
front
facing
facades
with
stairs
and
sidewalks
and
kind
of
front
doors,
if
you
will
so
that
is
a
benefit
so
reducing
that
setback
down
to
20
feet.
We
do
support
that
and
then
the
other
request
for
deviation
relates
to
sidewalks
again
in
the
city's
code,
which
was
really
designed
for
more
high
density
and
commercial
and
industrial
uses.
There
is
a
requirement
that
all
building
entrances
have
connection
to
the
public
sidewalk
network.
G
When
you
think
about
this
development,
you
know
10,
or
I
should
say,
9
of
the
15
units
have
excellent
sidewalk
access
to
the
public
network.
Six
do
not
given
that
it's
the
internal
portion
of
the
development
it'd
be
really
difficult
to
design
a
sidewalk
that
would
get
back
to
the
entrance
of
all
six
of
those
units
in
the
northeast
portion
of
the
site
and
given
the
low
volume
of
the
internal
driveway
staff,
is
supportive
of
that
deviation
to
forgo
sidewalk,
attacher
connection
to
the
northeast
building.
G
So
hopefully
that
makes
sense,
and
those
are
the
only
two
requests
for
deviation
as
part
of
these
plant
development
plans.
The
preliminary
and
final
there
is
a
plot.
That's
also
been
submitted.
The
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
have
this
be
an
owner
occupied
model,
if
you
will
so,
they
do
propose
to
sell
these
town
home
units
to
owners
and,
as
part
of
that,
would
sell
the
underlying
land
that
the
unit
is
located
underneath.
G
So
this
is
a
very
common
approach
for
townhomes
is
to
include
a
plat
with
the
individual
unit
and
then
have
one
common
lot
of
association
owned
parcel
where
you
have
all
of
the
communal
infrastructure
and
amenities
and
etc.
So
this
is
a
16
lot.
15
of
them
are
town
home,
lots
and
then
the
broader
common
lot,
and
in
order
to
get
a
building
permit,
they
would
have
to
get
their
plat
recorded
before
they
were
able
to
build
any
structures
on
this
site,
and
there
is
a
host
of
conditions
such
as
parkland,
dedication
and
other
things.
G
G
From
a
design
standpoint,
these
townhome
structures
have
a
fair
amount
of
curb
appeal.
I
would
say,
although
that
can
be
more
subjective,
but
they
are
being
proposed
with
lp,
smartside
kind
of
manufactured
or
engineered
wood,
and
then
brick
and
again
you
can
see
some
of
that
articulation
and
other
design
features.
As
I,
as
I
said,
before,
kind
of
this
walk-up
roll
house
type
style
where
people
have
the
ability
to
walk
to
their
unit
to
the
public
sidewalk
network,
we
find
that
to
be
a
benefit.
G
G
This
is
just
another
elevation
drawing
you
can
again
see
those
materials.
As
I
mentioned
from
a
floor
plan
standpoint.
All
of
these
townhomes
are
over
two
thousand
square
feet
in
living
space,
so
they
meet
all
the
city's
requirements
for
for
floor
area
again,
as
I
noted
before,
they
do
have
two
stall
garages.
I
believe
they
all
have
some
living
space
on
the
first
floor.
G
So
if
that
was
an
important
feature
for
elderly
or
ada
purposes,
they
do
provide
that
in
some
regard,
as
well.
I'm
getting
to
other
performance
standards
of
the
city
code.
So
just
from
an
off
street
parking
standpoint,
the
parking
requirements
for
a
town
home
are
not
extensive
for
three
bedroom
townhomes
it's
three
per
unit
and
for
four
bedroom
is
3.4.
G
For
the
purposes
of
this
analysis,
the
staff
took
the
maximum
possible
kind
of
unit
mix
based
on
the
information
provided
by
the
applicant.
So
in
other
words,
they
extrapolated
what
the
largest
parking
requirement
would
be
and
that'd
be
49
spaces,
as
you
can
see,
they're
providing
66
parking
spaces,
even
if
all
the
for
all
of
the
units
in
the
development
were
four
bedrooms,
they
would
have
enough
parking
per
our
code.
G
So
that's
just
the
the
nature
of
town
homes
with
two-car
garages
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
accommodate
that
fairly
easily
and
again,
the
six
guest
parking
spaces
city
code
doesn't
have
a
requirement
for
the
number
of
guest
parking
spaces.
It
just
says
that
it
be
sufficient
and
appropriately
located.
G
We
got
this
question
a
fair
amount.
I
believe
from
maybe
you,
chair,
solberg,
but
other
people
too
from
the
public
have
asked
about.
You
know
you
know:
where
does
someone
go
if
someone
is
you
know
that
if
the
development
is
not
able
to
provide
enough
parking,
you
know
typically
people
would
have
guests
park
on
their
driveways.
G
G
If
that
could
be
a
concern,
one
of
the
other
elements
of
great
public
interest,
I
would
say,
as
well
as
staff
and
others
of
this
site,
is
that
there's
a
significant
amount
of
soil
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
remove
from
the
site
in
order
to
make
the
grades
work.
As
I
mentioned
on
the
earlier
slide,
the
site
is
a
big
hill
in
the
middle
and
has
a
17
slope.
So
there
are
typical
engineering
standards
for
the
maximum
slopes
of
roadways
and
driveways
and
other
things
as
well
as
creating
building
pads.
G
And
then
then
you
factor
in
you
know
having
to
accommodate
stormwater
management
requirements
on
a
site
like
this,
for
this
type
of
use.
So
there's
a
lot
of
soil
that
is
proposing
to
be
removed
as
part
of
this
project
and
as
part
of
that,
unfortunately,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
remove
a
significant
number
of
trees
from
this
property.
Now
over
half
of
these
trees,
while
maybe
all
valuable
to
many
of
us
over
half
of
these
trees,
are
varieties
that
are
currently
in
the
city's
prohibited
list,
and
what
does
that
mean?
G
It
means
ash
and
box
elder
trees,
which
you
know
typically
have
problems
with
disease
or
other
issues
associated
with
them.
So
half
of
the
trees
are
that
the
other
half
are
a
variety
of
other
species
which
are
more
valuable,
but
just
to
note
that
the
city's
tree
preservation
or
tree
replacement
requirements
are
applicable
to
single-family
residential
subdivisions,
so
this
being
a
townhome
development,
those
requirements
do
not
apply
to
this
site
in
order
to
kind
of
affect
some
replacement
on
some
level.
G
G
In
terms
of
other
issues
that
pertain
to
landscaping,
the
city
code
does
have
requirements
that
pertain
to
screening
none
of
the
formal
kind
of
easy
things
that
the
code
requires.
Screening
for
are
triggered
in
this
case
for
just
the
reason
that
there's
a
small
amount
of
parking
area,
as
I
said
before,
it
doesn't
meet
the
classic
criteria
of
incompatible
use
next
to
the
surrounding
properties.
G
That
being
said,
particularly
that
this
is
a
plan,
development
staff
does
think
that
screening
is
appropriate
in
certain
locations
in
this
development,
as
we
crafted
our
recommended
conditions
of
approval.
If
you
can
see
my
cursor,
we
are
recommending
that
this
guest
parking
area
be
screened.
Currently,
they
are
proposing
a
large
amount
of
evergreen
trees
along
this
eastern
boundary,
and
so
that
is
a
beneficial
thing.
G
I
certainly
put
that
to
the
commission,
and
some
of
that
may
be
appropriate,
I'm
just
thinking
about
from
where
headlights
would
be
cast.
You
know
these
storm
water
features
do
have
three
foot
retaining
walls,
so
it's
likely
that
some
of
the
headlights
would
be
knocked
down
by
that
as
well
as
well
as
the
structures
themselves.
G
So
I
think
the
applicant
really
got
that
this
is
the
most
important
area
of
screening,
but
they
also
may
consider
doing
some
additional
screening
in
this
location
for
neighbors
to
the
north.
That
might
be
something
that
would
be
helpful
in
order
to
better
buffer
some
of
the
the
headlights
as
well
as
just
the
use
itself.
G
G
So
through
that
definition,
we
find
we
confirm.
The
applicants
exhibit
33
open
space
meeting
that
requirement
they're,
not
proposing
any
formal
player
recreation
areas
within
the
development.
At
this
time
it
may
be
difficult
to
accommodate
some
of
those
with
the
storm
water
management,
as
I
mentioned
before,
in
terms
of
some
of
the
grading
and
some
of
the
underground
facilities
and
above
ground,
as
well
so
getting
to
stormwater
management.
G
It's
those
very
large
volume
events
where
you'll
have
some
overflow
or
have
more
discharge,
leaving
the
site
at
a
at
a
higher
rate.
So
they're
just
a
question
about
that
and
then,
in
addition,
there's
been
a
lot
of
with
stormwater
management.
There's
been
a
lot
of
questions
about
the
connections
to
nearby
upper
and
lower
penn
lake.
Understandably,
so
those
lakes
are
part
of
a
much
larger
regional
stormwater
system
or
watershed
area.
If
you
will,
that
includes
494
35w.
G
You
know
the
the
shopping
centers
up
along
494,
etc.
So
it's
it's
really
a
it's
a
much
bigger
problem,
some
of
the
issues
that
we've
seen
with
upper
and
lower
penn
lake
than
as
it
pertains
to
just
the
subject
site.
But
that
being
said,
I
certainly
understand
the
interest
or
the
concern
as
it
pertains
to
adding
impervious
surface
here.
G
What
they
are
required
to
do
is
currently
no
storm.
Water
on
this
site
is
currently
treated
it
just
she
drains
or
drains
off
site
what
doesn't
infiltrate
and
again
with
some
of
the
grating.
Some
of
it
does
come
at
higher
rate,
but
what
they're
required
to
do
is
that
they
have
to
provide
stormwater
treatment
and
when
it
comes
to
upper
and
lower
penn
lake,
that
really
means
two
things.
G
It
means
some
it
means
reduction
in
solids
as
well
as
phosphorus,
so
the
treatment
that
they'll
be
required
to
provide,
which
is
an
improvement
from
the
existing
condition,
is
they
have
to
treat
stormwater
in
these
facilities.
In
order
to
address
those
issues
similar
to
all
of
our
projects
in
the
nine
mile
creek
watershed
district,
they
have
to
get
a
watershed
permit
before
they
can
move
any
dirt
on
this
site.
So
I
know
the
you
know
with
the
erosion
control
fencing
that
people
have
seen
erected.
G
G
There's
a
lot
of
questions
about
traffic
in
this
area
in
terms
of
what
these,
what
this
development
will
generate,
as
well
as
what
the
existing
conditions
are
west
86th
street.
I
believe
this
is
2019
data
that
was
collected,
but
that
currently
has
5700
vehicles
per
day.
Just
east
of
penn
avenue
and
10
just
to
the
north
of
86th,
has
13
500
vehicles
per
day
per
engineering
and
traffic
manuals.
G
G
Transit
service,
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
that.
There
was
a
question
about
what
is
the
current
state,
because
I
know
metro
transit
has
reduced
some
of
its
service
and
the
pandemic
and
this
site.
Currently
it
has
access
to
the
539
and
does
have
hourly
service.
It's
my
understanding
that
rush
hour,
buses
am
and
pm.
Northbound
southbound
are
going
to
be
added
in
september
later
in
september.
G
From
a
phasing
standpoint,
three
phases
for
the
structures
are
proposed
according
to
the
applicant's
materials
staff's
interest
in
this
is
a
couple
fold
one.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
they
are
able
to
build
the
site
improvements
as
part
of
one
phase,
because
they
need
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
site
and
there
has
to
be
safe
and
then
also
they
have
to
maintain
maintain
access
through
all
phases
of
construction.
G
So
you
could
see
a
scenario
where
they've
got
two
of
these
structures
built
and
then
they've
got
a
lot
of
contractors
on
site
building
the
third
phase,
while
you've
got
residents
on
site
and
what
we
have
in
this
type
situation,
which
can
happen.
Is
you
start
having
contractors
or
deliveries
start
parking
in
the
drive
aisle
which
doesn't
work
from
a
emergency
response
standpoint?
So
the
key
for
us
here
is.
G
Avenue
is
a
county
facility,
as
I
mentioned
before,
so
they
really
call
the
shots
on
in
terms
of
a
new
curb
cut
there
at
penn
avenue,
as
this
is
currently
being
proposed
to
you,
it's
shown
as
a
write-in
right
out
open
to
the
public.
So
a
half
access
which
allows
ingress
and
egress
hennepin
county
in
their
letter
stated
they
would
prefer
to
see
this
access
be
vehicles
only
and
so
there's
more
work.
That
needs
to
be
done
on
this
particular
topic
staff
outlined
in
our
report.
Why?
G
We
think
secondary
access
is
valuable
and
important
in
terms
of
just
providing
people
with
more
options
to
you
know
for
from
a
traffic
distribution
standpoint
as
well
as
again
for
those
emergency
services,
so
the
way
we've
structured.
This
condition
is
that
second,
access
must
be
provided
for
this
development
and
it
must
meet
the
approval
of
fire
prevention,
engineering
and
traffic
and
hennepin
county.
G
G
So
getting
to
the
public
comments,
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
correspondence
on
this
item:
27
emails
from
26
parties.
I
did
my
best
to
try
and
kind
of
map
out
some
of
the
locations
from
some
of
the
residents
who
wanted
to
submit
comments
on
this
item.
I
don't
think
there's
any
way
to
sugarcoat
it
that
the
the
comments
were
uniformly
against
this
proposal.
G
You
know,
certainly
some
of
them
were
well,
you
read
them.
I
won't.
I
don't
want
to
try
and
decipher
or
interpret
them
for
folks.
People
said
what
they
put
on
the
record,
and
I
think
I
guess
what
I
can
say
is
that
the
that
there
are
some
themes
in
the
letters
that
are
submitted,
and
I,
when
I
put
those
themes
in
this
slide
here,
the
themes
of
those
concerns
include
impacts
to
the
existing
neighborhood
character.
So
again,
this
is
a
lot
of
rambler
and
story
and
a
half
single
family
home.
G
G
There
was
some
concern
registered
about
use
of
increased
use
of
the
park
associated
with
this
development,
and
then
some
discussion
about
just
the
number
of
units
was
inappropriate
for
the
site
wanted
to
see
that
lowered
and
then
finally,
the
last
theme,
I'll
mention
is
just
impacts
to
wildlife
in
the
area.
I
get
the
sense
from
neighboring
residents
that,
given
the
lakes
here
that
there's
a
fair
amount
of
waterfowl
and
other
wildlife
that
kind
of
make
their
home
in
this
area,
so
there
is
concern
about
impacts
to
that
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
these
applications.
G
G
A
I
G
Yeah,
commissioner,
roman
thanks
for
the
question
and
the
one
on
the
upper
part
of
the
slide
is
kennedy
court.
So
that's
the
one
right
off
old,
shakopee
road
just
to
the
east
of
kennedy,
high
school,
that's
actually
the
one
that
was
most
recently
constructed
in
the
community.
It
was
approved
in
o5
and
then
the
one
below
that
is
trail
west,
which
is
a
little
bit
of
a
larger
one.
That
was
on
the
bigger
one
of
our
spectrum
30
units
again,
both
of
them
surrounded
or
bordering
single-family
residential
uses.
D
G
D
G
That's
that's
correct.
The
r3
was
developed
in
2015
prior
to
the
creation
of
that
district.
The
general
approach
was
to
just
keep
the
baseline
underlying
zoning
and
as
r1
and
develop
it
as
a
pd.
The
city
previously
had
more
flexibility
to
kind
of
allow
uses
that
weren't
allowed
in
base
underlying
zoning
just
through
a
pd,
and
so
the
trend
in
zoning
is
really
to
take
that
or
to
to
not
take
that
approach
going
forward.
I
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
this
may
be
a
question
for
engineering
staff,
but
regarding
the
proposed
write-in
write-out
on
pen,
has
anyone
been
out
to
take
a
look
at
the
sight
lines
at
that
proposed?
You
know.
I
know
that
there
is
a
significant,
a
reasonably
significant
dip
where
the
the
road,
the
elevation
drops
as
you
proceed
north
from
the
intersection,
and
so
I'm
wondering
about
the
yeah
and
if
you're
exiting
there,
you
can't
see
traffic
approaching.
So
I'm
wondering
what
what
the
engineering
staff's
thoughts
were
on
that.
I
I
The
other
issue
is
the
vertical
curvature
in
the
road
and
that's
not
expected.
Preliminarily,
that's
not
expected
to
create
a
sight
distance
issue
for
the
driveway
it
it's
significant
in
terms
of
the
upper
midwest,
but
in
terms
of
the
visibility
requirements.
The
vertical
curvature
on
penn
avenue
is
not
that
limiting
to
site
distance.
It
would
be
more
the
issue
of
getting
clear
lines
of
sight
on
the
driveway
itself,
which
would
happen
when
that
sidewalk
is
pulled
back
and
that
area
is
flattened
out
quite
a
bit.
I
E
Thanks,
mr
chair,
mr
johnson
question
about
the
screening
on
the
north
side-
and
I
know
you
won't
have
an
exact
answer
to
this,
but
there
are
some
existing
trees
on
the
north
side
of
this
property
and
the
adjacent
properties.
So
we
know
if
some
of
those
are
on
the
adjacent
properties,
so
there
would
be
some
existing
trees
to
remain.
That
would
help
provide
some
of
that
screening.
G
Yeah
chairman
commissioner,
cooked
on
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
vegetation
right
around
that
boundary.
A
lot
of
it.
The
portion
that
is
proposed
or
is
located
on
the
subject
sites
would
be
removed
a
lot
of
it
and
again
many
of
those
are
those
box
elder
and
ash
trees,
but
I
think
typically,
what
you'd
see
from
a
lot
of
boundaries.
G
You
just
have
kind
of
a
lot
of
volunteers.
You
have
a
lot
of
scrub
undergrowth
type
stuff,
and
you
have
you
know
a
lot
of
that
type
of
material.
It
would
be
my
assumption
that,
with
the
grading
that's
proposed,
that
material
will
be
removed
on
the
subject
property.
They
should
not
be
removing
any
material
on
adjoining
properties
or
damaging
that
material,
so
that
should
remain,
but
I
think
what
what
you
know
what
you
would
want
to
see
from
just
a
screening
standpoint.
G
I
had
the
landscape
plan
up
you'd
want
to
see.
You
know
if,
for
example,
what
we're
suggesting
with
this
off
street
parking
area.
You
know
these
are
brand
new
trees.
You
know
they're
installed
at
six
foot
tall,
their
year-round
screens,
whereas
deciduous
variety
do
you
know,
lose
their
leaf
off
conditions
in
the
winter.
A
I'll,
just
I
have
one
just
so
quickly
and
mr
roberts-
maybe
you're
again
one
can
answer
this
and
and
really
it
it
had
to
do
with
some
of
the
discussion
about
restrictions
on
parking.
Do
we
know
if
those
additional
or
surrounding
locations
residential
streets
have
restrictions
on
parking
or
what
is
the
process
for
that.
I
Mr
chairman
and
commissioners,
so
parking
is
restricted.
Obviously,
on
penn
avenue
and
86th
street
to
the
east.
Parking
is
permitted
on
one
side
of
86th
avenue
to
the
west,
however,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
closer
on
street
areas
of
parking,
there's
also
parking
available
on
the
local
neighborhood
streets
within
the
area,
but
those
are
a
bit
of
a
walk
away.
So
it's
not
expecting
you
to
see
much
overflow
parking
on
those
neighborhood
streets.
I
There
is
a
process
for
residents
if
they're
interested
in
modifying
on
street
parking,
either
lifting
restrictions
over
there
or
perhaps
adding
restrictions
that
are
not.
If
there's
a
systematic
issue
with
parking,
they
have
to
get
the
support
of
their
neighbors
get
signatures,
and
things
like
that
and
the
city
moves
forward
with
the
study
and
evaluating
that.
So
there
is
a
process
to
modify
the
on-street
parking
there
wouldn't
be
on
street
parking
added
to
86th
street,
for
instance,
though,
to
the
west
or
to
the
east.
I
A
Thank
you,
mr
robertson.
That's
that's
helpful.
I
just
from
the
perspective
of
of
what
are
options
in
the
neighborhood
and
what
can
neighborhood,
how
can
they
affect
parking
and
and
to
the
point
of
where
they
can
not,
for
instance,
on
west
86th
street?
I
think
that's
all
I
have
for
questions
for
staff.
J
Excellent,
this
is
steve
furlong,
I'm
principal
of
the
developer,
penn
lake
city
homes.
We
are
pleased
to
bring
before
you
consideration
of
the
first
r3
development
in
the
city
of
bloomington.
First
I'd
like
to
thank
nick
johnson
and
all
the
staff
and
the
work
that
they've
done
to
get
us
to
this
point.
It's
been
extensive.
J
It's
been
more
than
a
year-long
process
and
nick
was
very
thorough
in
his
presentation
and
covered
most
of
my
points.
So
hopefully
I
can
be
more
brief.
There
are
a
few
other
things
that
I
would
like
to
cover
a
brief
history
of
the
site.
The
owners
current
and
past
have
been
searching
for
ways
to
develop
this
site
for
more
than
10
years,
but
due
to
the
current
topography,
the
option
to
build
single-family
homes
on
the
site,
as
it's
currently
zoned,
was
way
too
cost
prohibitive.
J
I
did
some
analysis
on
that.
Initially,
when
I
started
working
with
the
owner
and
we
came
to
the
determination
that
we'd
have
to
price
single
family
homes
at
650,
000
or
more
to
make
it
viable
to
add
even
the
maximum
number
of
single
family
homes
here.
So,
regarding
rezoning
to
r3
and
constructing
15
city
homes
or
townhomes,
we
have
been
very
thoroughly
reviewing
the
site
the
past
year,
in
collaboration
with
a
lot
of
different
staff,
civil
engineer
and
architects.
J
Much
of
our
work
has
been
regarding
storm
water
management.
That's
been
the
primary
challenge
on
this
site.
Just
given
the
the
aspects
that
nick
has
already
discussed
upper
and
lower
penn
lakes,
our
dnr
impaired
water
bodies
and
and
now
after
hearing
from
the
neighborhood,
it's
very
important
to
us.
So
we
leave
the
site
in
significantly
better
shape
or
ability
to
manage
the
storm
water.
J
So
the
extensive
systems,
our
civil
engineer,
have
designed
with
the
city's
input,
will
retain
and
treat
the
majority
of
stormwater
on
site,
and
that
was
it
was
really
important
and
our
primary
hurdle
here
in
preparing
these
plans.
So
a
neighborhood
discussion
at
the
beginning
of
the
month,
which
was
imperative
to
me
that
we
have
collaboration
from
the
immediate
neighborhood,
because
if
I
live
next
door
to
the
site,
I'd
want
to
have
input.
J
I'd
want
my
voice
heard
as
well,
and
I
want
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
and
that
was
recorded
and
we
had
a
link
to
that.
It's
it's
about
a
three
hour
conversation,
but
it's
available
for
you
and,
of
course,
received
a
lot
of
correspondence
to
the
city
in
response
to
the
public
notice
and
all
those
concerns
that
that
nick
discussed.
I
have
just
a
few
points
on
on
some
of
those
things
before
I
before
I
get
to
those
there's
just
a
few
overarching
items
here.
J
And,
although
I
don't
suspect
this
makes
much
more
than
a
drop
in
the
bucket,
but
help
to
stabilize
property
taxes
and
then
again,
things
that
we
are
not
actually
not
requesting
is
any
variants
and
setbacks
to
the
north
of
the
east.
We're
not
looking
for
any
variances
from
the
nine
mile,
creek
watershed
district,
the
minnesota
dnr
or
the
city
of
bloomington
as
it
pertains
to
storm
water
management
and,
as
nick
mentioned,
all
these
units
will
be
for
sale
units.
J
We
do
through
the
association
bylaws.
We
want
to
put
some
controls
in
place
to
govern
the
number
of
vehicles
of
something
that
I
talked
with
the
fire
marshal
about
to
limit
limit
the
number
of
vehicles
stored
on
site.
We
can
do
that,
after
speaking
with
our
council,
the
bylaws
can
have
a
permit
process
for
each
unit
owner
and
how
many
vehicles
they
can
have
on
site,
and
we
want
to
create
an
association
that
will
be
adequately
funded
for
future
maintenance
and
repairs.
J
One
of
the
concerns
I'll
get
to
in
a
moment
is
future
care
of
the
site
and,
as
we
work
through
this
process,
as
nick
highlighted,
we
have
a
number
of
other
things
that
we
need
to
check
off
here,
and
the
property
owner
and
highest
developer
are
open
to
providing
other
assurances
to
the
neighborhood.
The
best
we
are
able.
J
We
were
asked
by
property
owners
in
the
neighborhood
to
provide
in
writing
some
things,
and
one
of
those
was
that
the
city
will
not
construct
new
sidewalks
or
request
additional
easements
for
properties
adjacent
to
the
site,
and
I
said,
of
course,
as
a
developer.
I
can't
put
that
in
writing,
but
I
promised
the
neighborhood.
I
would
ask
the
city
if
they
would
put
that
in
writing
and
I
think
the
answer
that
also
is
no,
but
they
had
some
concerns
about.
J
If
we
improve
this
site,
is
that
going
to
require
that
their
properties
be
improved
and
we
extend
the
sidewalks
to
the
north
and
to
the
east
in
the
same
fashion,
so
that
was
that
was
something
that
came
up
so
being
a
man
of
my
word.
I've
now
asked
the
city
I'll
do
so
again
at
council,
but
to
address
each
concern
first,
I
I
would
not
develop
any
residential
units
anywhere
in
the
city
that
I
would
not
live
next
door
to
myself
or
that
I
would
not
live
in
myself.
So
those
are.
J
So
the
first
primary
big
item
number
of
units
proposed,
so
I
just
did
a
quick
search,
a
thousand
feet
out
in
every
direction:
there's
134
residential
single
family
homes
within
a
thousand
feet
of
our
site.
So,
overall
we're
really
looking
at
increasing
the
number
of
housing
units
here
by
11
percent.
If
you
do
that,
math
one
of
the
and
then
on
to
storm
water,
one
of
the
neighbors
to
the
north
indicated
that
water
has
intruded
into
the
basement.
On
many
occasions
and
the
storm
water
systems,
that's
designed.
J
My
civil
engineer
has
given
me
an
assurance
that
none
of
the
storm
water
that
currently
sheds
off
of
our
site
will
be
shutting
off
once
these
storm
water
systems
are
installed
to
the
north.
So
hopefully
that
should
help
alleviate
that
issue
and,
although
again
just
a
drop
in
the
bucket,
hopefully
our
storm
water
systems
here
could
help
make
an
improvement
in
upper
and
lower
penn
lake
by
treating
all
that
storm
water
on
site.
J
So
hopefully
a
good
positive
change
there
in
regards
to
traffic,
I
think
nick
covered
it
really
well,
but
the
the
right
and
right
out
we've
had
some
conversations
with
the
county.
We
did
get
in
writing
from
the
county
platt
review
committee
last
year
that
they
supported
a
write-in
right
out
onto
penn
avenue,
and
I
I'd
welcome
the
planning
commission's
further
input
on
that
design
and
also
working
with
with
our
city
traffic
engineer
and
trying
to
find
a
mutually
beneficial
way
to
construct
that
site
access
that
that
works
for
all
parties.
J
J
J
So
I
really
don't
think
from
an
economic
standpoint.
It
makes
sense
for
these
units
to
be
acquired
by
an
investor
and
then
rent
them
out.
Another
primary
concern.
We
heard
a
lot
in
the
neighborhood
meeting
was
future
dilapidation
to
the
site
that
they,
they
noticed,
some
other
town
home
associations
around
the
area,
some
in
the
city
of
bloomington
that
don't
look
great
anymore,
they're
tired,
run
down,
and
if
we
examine
those
associations,
I'm
very
confident
that
we
would
determine
those
that
are
not
well
kept.
Have
financial
issues
they're
not
well
funded?
J
J
Another
concern
was
overuse
of
the
parks
nearby.
One
of
the
neighbors
commented
that
there
was
a
concern
that
hag
park
to
the
north
would
become
overused
I
drive
by
hag
park.
Well,
I
did
every
day
when
I
went
to
my
office
and
I
rarely
see
anyone
there.
So
if
we
had
more
people
using
the
parks,
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
thing
and
not
a
bad
thing
and
then
the
parking
lot
to
the
south
at
lower
penn
lake
at
the
bolt
landing
there.
J
Let's
see
what
else
we
had.
Some
concerns
about
wildlife
and
removable
trees,
and
just
the
existing
neighborhood
was
developed
of
course,
made
a
change
for
wildlife,
adding
134
residential
homes.
Here
changed
wildlife
to
change
the
lakes.
If
we
ask
the
dnr
why
the
lakes
are
impaired,
part
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
development
in
the
area.
So
our
goal
is
to
make
to
make
an
improvement
in
that
regard
and
not
not
degrade
the
lakes
or
change
change
the
wildlife
habitat.
J
So
our
landscaping
plan
shows
a
lot
of
trees,
but
we'd
like
to
have
some
of
those
be
different
types
of
fruit
trees.
That
would
support
wildlife
and
birds,
and
I
just
talked
with
my
architect
this
afternoon
and
I
said:
could
we
also
design
some
different
types
of
bird
housing
to
put
on
site?
I
think
that
would
be
important
to
the
neighborhood
and
what
and
what
they
told
me
and
we're
more
than
happy
to
do
that.
So
if
we
do
some
bird
housing,
maybe
some
bat
housing
different
things
like
that.
J
J
J
Whatever
else
we
can
do
to
limit
the
headlight
pollution
to
the
north-
and
I
think
that's
that's-
probably
the
most
appropriate
way
forward,
as
it
might
be
difficult
to
tell
until
that
point,
how
exactly
it's
going
to
look
and
what
it's
going
to
do
and
from
the
developer
standpoint.
We
will
have
this
in
the
budget
to
do
to
make
sure
that
we
do
things
right
and-
and
we
address
that
concern
as
I
would
not
want
to
live
to
the
north
and
have
headlights
shining
on
the
back
of
my
house
all
the
time.
J
A
plan
here
that
that
doesn't
address
that
we
did
design
this
site.
I
think
it
was
commissioner
albrecht
that
that
brought
up
the
third
avenue
in
old
shakopee
road
townhome
development.
We
did
design
this
as
that
as
a
model
and
the
central
drive
and
the
interior
garages
are
meant
to
to
shield
noise
pollution,
keep
the
activity
on
the
interior
of
the
site
and
not
to
the
exterior
of
the
site.
J
I
did
talk
with
our
council
and
our
bylaws
can
contain
specific
decibel
levels
that
are
allowed
for
unit
owners
and
their
vehicles,
so
we
could
restrict
unit
owners
from
having
a
large
allowed
harley
or
an
oversized
truck
or
different
things
like
that,
and
those
are
things
that
that
we
will
likely
consider
putting
into
the
bylaws
another
concern.
I've
just
got
a
couple
left
here.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
Was
the
overall
increase
of
housing
units
in
the
city?
J
I
think
predominantly
what
I
heard
from
the
neighborhood
is
that
we
don't
want
to
see
change
and
it's
a
difficult
thing
for
everyone
to
grasp,
but
an
overall
increase
of
housing
units
in
the
city.
I
think
I
want
to
leave
that
that
one
to
the
planning
commission
to
consider
how
we
respond
to
residents
concerns
in
this
regard.
J
Obviously,
we've
added
a
lot
of
rental
housing
in
the
city
of
bloomington
and
we've
added
very
little
ownership
housing
in
the
city
of
bloomington,
and
I
have
a
point
that
I'll
close
with
on
that
in
a
moment,
the
no
playground
on
site,
as
mr
johnson
indicated.
Yes,
our
stormwater
systems
here
just
don't
allow
the
space,
but
there
are
many
parks
within
easy
walking
distance
just
to
the
north,
just
the
south,
just
to
the
west,
almost
every
direction
within
a
block
or
two.
J
There
are
a
variety
of
parks
that
can
easily
be
accessed
and
then
the
size
of
each
unit
single
level
living
is
my
requirement
for
every
single
unit
that
each
unit
has
the
capability
for
main
level
living.
So
the
garages
pull
in
on
the
main
level,
there's
a
main
level
sleeping
room,
main
level,
kitchen
living
room,
bathroom
laundry.
J
J
So
we
we
we're
hitting
the
the
minimum
amount
of
square
footage.
We
need
to
make
main
level
living
comfortable
on
the
main
level
and
and
adequate
so
a
couple.
Those
are
those
are
all
the
concerns
that
I
heard
in
that
neighborhood
conversation
and
just
wanted
to
address
some
of
those
we
we
did
address
them
through
that
meeting.
So
if
you
have
the
youtube
link
or
if
you
need
it,
let
me
know
for
redevelopment
to
occur
in
the
city.
J
J
It
just
wouldn't
make
sense
to
build
single
family
homes
here
and
try
to
sell
them
for
over
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
It's
never
going
to
work.
The
site
is
never
going
to
work
for
single
family
homes,
and
I
know
that
the
city
utility
infrastructure
was
put
in
that
way.
There
are
stubs
that
wasn't
discussed
either,
but
we
do
have
to
abandon
a
variety
of
sewer
and
water
stubs
along
penn
and
86..
J
It
was
designed
that
way
when
the
utility
infrastructure
went
in
simply
not
feasible,
given
economics
cost
of
construction,
labor
materials
right
now
and
even
even
three
years
ago.
If
we,
if
we
don't
look
at
just
the
current
cost
of
lumber
being
at
an
all-time
high,
if
we
go
back
in
time,
it's
it
just
wasn't
feasible
to
do
single
family
homes.
Here
we
also
looked
at
options
for
higher
density.
J
Ultimately,
we
feel
this
is
the
highest
and
best
use
of
the
site,
because
it
provides
more
of
a
term.
I'd
like
to
close
with
called
middle
housing
and
middle
housing
is,
is
a
term
that's
gaining
some
more
traction
nationwide
right
now
it
refers
to
housing,
that's
attainable
and
modern
supplies,
housing
units
to
the
demand
and
appeal,
the
current
marketplace
of
home
buyers
efficiently,
uses
available
land
space
and
allows
the
city
to
grow
without
becoming
overcrowded
and
supports
sustainability.
J
A
A
Okay
and
then
just
one
other,
and
it
really
has
to
do
trying
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
about
the
impact
of
the
development
on
the
site,
and
we
certainly
know
that
there
has
to
be
enough
grading
on
site.
How
much
will
that
grade
on
that
site
change?
How
much
will
it
drop,
as
certainly
alluded
to
there's
a
lot
of
runoff
to
the
north?
Now?
J
I
know
one
statistic
for
you
and
that
is
18
000
yards
of
fill
that
we
have
estimated
that
will
need
to
be
removed
from
the
site,
as
mr
johnson
indicated
earlier.
Currently
there's
a
hill
that
that
centers
north
south
about
in
the
middle
and
then
from
east
to
west.
It's
about
in
the
right
hand,
third,
and
that
hill
runs
down
to
the
north
and
to
the
east,
and
the
final
grading
plan
removes
that
hill
and
brings
the
grating
from
the
north
down
and
from
the
east
down.
A
D
J
J
J
J
All
these
variables,
it's
really
difficult
for
us
to
determine,
I
would
say,
a
range
of
area
townhomes
that
are
currently
selling
there's
a
development
in
richfield.
They
are
three-story
town
homes
along
66th,
street
and
cedar
avenue
by
the
target
up
there
and
they
are
selling
at
a
starting
price
point
of
000
they're.
Smaller
units,
they
don't
have
the
main
level
living
component.
J
J
If,
if
we
can
do
that,
however,
we
best
can
so
to
give
a
range
of
price
points.
I
if
I
kind
of
feel
some
some
of
these
units
in
the
mid
to
upper
300s,
potentially
the
four
units
along
86th
street
as
being
the
third
phase.
If
we're
successful
with
the
first
two
could
those
get
into
the
400s
potentially
upper
400s?
E
Thanks,
mr
chair,
mr
furlong,
what
if
we
could
discuss
briefly
the
difficulty
you
had
in
getting
a
sidewalk
connection
back
to
the
northeastern
set
of
units
there?
Was
there
any
consideration
of
getting
that
connected
to
the
sidewalks?
If
there
were
other
concessions
on
the
site
that
could
be
made
to
accommodate
a
sidewalk
back
there.
J
Yes,
commissioner
cook,
and
thank
you
for
the
question
so
chapter
one
of
the
urban
land
institute
textbook
is
not
argue
with
your
site
planner
as
a
developer,
and
so
I
looked
at
that-
and
I
said
this
is
odd.
Why
is
it
doing
this
and
he
said,
don't
worry,
steve,
it'll
work
out
it'll,
look
great
when
it's
done
so
I
said:
okay,
the
intent
there
is
to
connect
that
to
the
existing
sidewalk
system
and,
however,
we
can
best
do
that.
J
Some
of
the
residents
expressed
their
desire
to
bike
through
this
area,
and
so
one
of
my
requirements
is
that
we
can
easily
traverse
this
site
and
the
neighboring
sites
by
bike
and
and
as
a
pedestrian.
So
I
know
that
that
looks
a
little
odd
and
I
don't
I
don't
know
what
that
is
going
to
be
the
exact
final
design
of
that
sidewalk
connection.
There.
J
A
A
So
what
we'll
do
is
once
I
get
that
number
we'll
we'll
set
a
time
limit,
and
we
would
expect
that
just
for
the
ability
for
everybody
else
to
have
a
opportunity
to
talk
and
if
you
haven't
been
able
to
cover
all
your
points,
then
we'll
ask
that
you
go
to
the
back
of
the
line
and
come
back
again
if
need
be.
If
your
points
aren't
covered
during
the
public
comment,
so
mr
marker
guard,
do
we.
A
C
C
A
E
Yes,
this
is
patrick
sarver,
I'm
a
landscape,
architect
and
project
leader
for
civil
site
group,
providing
site
engineering
and
site
design
for
this
project.
As
mr
furlong
mentioned,
this
was
a
very
challenging
site
and
storm
water
was
was
a
high
priority
to
be
able
to
protect
and
treat
the
storm
water.
That's
coming
off
the
site
and
its
impact
on
the
adjacent
natural
features
in
the
adjacent
property,
just
for
a
little
clarification
regarding
runoff
rates
and
one-off
area
to
the
property
to
the
north
directly
to
the
north.
E
Apparently
in
the
existing
conditions,
the
high
point
of
the
site
is
right
in
the
middle
of
the
site,
at
a
844
elevation
and
for
comparison,
the
property.
The
elevation
at
the
north
portion
of
the
site
is
20
feet,
lower
at
about
an
8.24,
39
000
square
feet
of
that
area
drains
through
the
north
property
owners
or
multiple.
I
don't
know
if
there's
multiple
property
owners
there,
but
they're
39
000
square
feet
of
that
existing
area
drains
directly
into
their
backyard.
E
With
the
proposed
condition,
we
reduce
that
down
to
4
200
square
feet,
so
a
significant
reduction
in
the
amount
of
stormwater
runoff.
That
is
impacting
the
neighbor
directly
to
the
north,
just
to
provide
one
one
clarifying
comment
to
steve's
earlier
message:
I
think
it
was,
it
might
have
been
misstated-
or
maybe
I
heard
it
incorrectly,
but
for
comparison
that
northern
unit,
that's
closest
to
that
adjacent
property.
That
driveway
in
front
of
their
house
is
at
about
a
nine
is
about
an
827
elevation
and
then
in
comparison
to
the
property
grade
at
the
property
line.
E
In
that
same
location,
it's
about
an
824
so
about
three
feet
below
so,
and
that's
in
that
location.
The
driveway
does
sit
up
above
slightly
the
rear
yard,
at
the
rear
property
line,
but
again
that
property
to
the
north.
I
don't
have
the
benefit
of
the
upgrade
elevation,
the
healthcare's
properties
in
the
north,
but
those
properties
I
think
they're,
either
walkouts
or
they
have
the
lowest
portion
of
their
site,
is
along
the
back
property,
so
their
homes
sit
up
a
little
bit
and
for
comparison
purposes.
E
A
couple
other
items
on
grade
the
high
point
in
the
middle
of
the
site,
existing
is
48.44.
Our
proposed
middle
high
point
is
almost
in
exactly
the
same
spot
at
an
830.
So
we've
cut
the
knob
of
that
hill
down
about
14
feet
and
it's
at
its
deepest
point.
We've
essentially
kind
of
flattened
out
the
middle
of
the
site,
protecting
the
views
or
any
headlights
from
impacting
the
property
owner
to
the
east,
because
we
have
about
a
rate
change
between
where
those
parking
stalls
will
be
and
that
adjacent
property
orange.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
sarver,
just
I'll
quickly,
post
that
to
any
commissioners
any
questions
he
was
certainly
able
to
answer
how
much
would
be
reduced
on
that
high
point.
Apparently,
approximately
13
feet
off
the
hill
for
that
development,
so
that
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
context.
Thank
you,
mr
server.
I
didn't
see
anybody
else
with
questions.
C
C
A
A
I
I
It
is
a
large
large
enough
parcel
in
the
heart
of
the
city
that
is
a
prime
candidate
for
redevelopment.
I
did
see
a
number
of
comments
from
the
public
about
some.
Of
course,
some
individuals
were
opposed
to
any
town
home
development
other
than
single-family
homes,
but
some
folks
were
not
opposed
to
townhome
developments,
but
we're
concerned
about
the
density
at
this
location.
I
I
think
that's
a
fair
question.
There's
this.
You
know
the
the
homes
that
front
on
86
there
are
seeing
much
more
size
and
scale
in
consists
of
the
neighborhood
than
perhaps
the
ones
that
are
farther
back
to
the
north.
For
me,
one
of
my
biggest
concerns
is
about
this.
This
intersection
and
the
traffic
slash
impacts
on
the
road.
I
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
would
echo
commissioner
roman's
concern
with
the
right
and
right
out.
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
benefit
to
having
two
access
points.
I
agree
with
our
staff
on
that,
but
I
I
do
agree
that
this
intersection
is
is
a
tricky
one
and
I
do
appreciate
the
right
and
right
out
versus
some
other
solution.
D
You
know,
accessibility
on
that
first
floor
and
the
idea
of
middle
housing
or
attainable
housing.
I'm
not
quite
sure
that
that
that
the
375
or
even
380
is
considered
quote
unquote
attainable,
but
as
we
know
that
there
is
a
cycle
of
housing
and
some
folks
may
decide
to
move
in
into
a
house
leaving
their
single
family
home
to
potentially
be
bought
at
a
lower
price
point.
So
I
do
appreciate
the
ability
for
bloomington
residents
to
purchase
a
home
and
more
housing
stock
is,
is
part
of
that
solution.
D
C
A
A
D
C
F
F
I
just
wanted
to
start
off
by
sharing
my
support
of
growth
in
bloomington,
but
I
do
have
some
fairly
large
concerns
with
this
proposal,
so
we
know
that
growth
can
be
a
large
positive
step,
but
there's
also
something
to
be
said
about
really
maintaining
a
community
and
the
character
of
a
community,
especially
one
that
is
so
loved
forward.
Progress
is
needed.
But
at
what
point
do
we
draw
the
line?
F
I
think
that's
a
really
tough
decision
to
make
you
look
at
communities
like
south
minneapolis
and
edina,
where
lots
are
purchased
and
homes
are
turned
over.
Developments
like
these
are
built,
and
eventually
the
entire
neighborhood
and
city
begins
to
change,
and
that
truly
does
impact
the
character
and
the
demographic
of
the
area.
We
are
a
family
neighborhood.
We
chose
bloomington
to
enjoy
quiet,
suburban
life,
where
we
could
start
a
family,
and
this
neighborhood
is
our
is
our
home
and
our
family.
F
F
F
But
really
the
park
is
utilized
regularly,
especially
over
the
lunch
hour
in
the
afternoon
hours,
and
to
me,
I
think,
about
what
the
public
park
is
truly
meant
for,
and
I
don't
think
that
that's
overflow
parking.
I
don't
think
that's
what
the
city
had
in
mind
when
they
constructed
the
park
in
regards
to
that
that
there's
other
city
parks
nearby
or
within
walking
distance.
I
would
truly
urge
you
to
just
take
a
look
at
a
map
of
the
surrounding
area,
because,
unfortunately,
there
isn't
a
playground
within
walking
distance
from
our
neighborhood.
F
We
spoke
about
that.
There
really
isn't
a
designation
yet
for
how
many
units
would
be
allowed
for
rentals,
and
I
know
steve
had
stated
that
between
his
research
and
some
economic
breakdown,
at
least
during
the
neighborhood
meeting
on
september
1st,
he
had
determined
and
shared
with
us
that
the
ideal
price
point
for
these
homes
were
between
400
and
440
000
and
that's
significantly
higher
than
anything
around
the
area
that
was,
I
know.
F
I
know
there
was
talk
of
the
fact
that
building
family
homes
at
a
650
000
price
point
was
not
feasible,
and
I
would
ask
that
you
take
a
look
at
our
our
neighbors
who
built
a
beautiful
home.
8524,
drive
the
new
construction
and
that
they
were
very
thoughtful
about
how
they
built
the
exterior
to
fit
into
the
character
of
our
neighborhood
and
their
home
was
appraised
at
over
650
thousand
dollars.
F
So
for
us
it
is
feasible,
another
concern
and
I'm
sorry
I'm
trying
to
get
through
this
as
quickly
as
possible.
I'm
trying
to
respect
everyone's
time.
It's
just
again
the
storm
water
management,
so
upper
penn
lake
does
flood
every
spring.
We
have
serious
erosion
and
flooding
issues
when
it
comes
to
our
our
lot
and
our
neighbor's
lot.
We
also
deal
with
significant
trash
because
of
all
of
the
the
aqueducts
that
connect
all
the
way
up
from
494.
F
We
spoke
at
best
buy
in
south
town.
All
of
that
trash
comes
down
into
upper
penn
lake
and
lower
penn
lake,
and
I
know
the
engineers
were
working
really
hard
to
create
a
system
that
would
retain
that
water
on
site.
But
during
the
neighborhood
meeting
there
wasn't
a
clear
explanation
of
what
would
happen
if
those
storage
containers
were
to
fill
or
if
there
were
a
hundred
year
rain,
which
happens
more
and
more
frequently.
F
So
I
guess
I'm
a
little
bit
surprised
that
the
developments
would
be
approved
just
seeing
that
this
would
truly
impact
the
water
levels
and,
ultimately,
the
nine
mile
creek
systems
and
then,
lastly,
just
again
thinking
about
the
surrounding
area.
In
the
nature.
I
I
know
that,
there's
a
proposal
to
plant
57
trees
and
159
shrubs,
but
what
trees
would
be
planted
and
with
the
removal
of
all
these
mature
trees?
How
long
would
it
take
for
those
newly
planted
trees
to
really
fill
that
void
that
was
created
by
all
the
removal?
F
So
again,
we
chose
our
property
because
we
have
this
amazing
natural
nature
and
this
amazing
tranquility
that's
provided
in
our
own
backyard,
not
because
we
had
a
gorgeous
view
of
a
new
townhome
development
or
penn
avenue
and
truly
living
on
a
lake.
You
learn
that
light
and
noise
carry
significantly
across
the
water,
so
we
would
now
be
impacted
by
noise
and
light
pollution
from,
as
it
was
stated,
an
arterial
roadway,
along
with
15
units
of
resonance
removing
those
trees.
Additional
traffic
noise
and
light
pollution
will,
without
a
doubt,
impact
in
nature
that
inhabits
our
neighborhood.
F
We
all
do
our
best
to
truly
respect
all
of
the
birds
and
animals
in
nature
that
inhabit
the
lakes.
We
keep
the
light
clean.
We
keep
the
noise
down,
we
provide
as
much
mature
trees
and
keep
the
shoreline
intact.
But
again,
I
think
about
this
lengthy
phase
construction
that
would
impact
all
of
us
living
in
the
area,
especially
those
of
us
that
work
remotely
from
our
homes.
F
F
I
don't
want
to
see
our
the
character
of
our
neighborhood
change,
I'm
all
about
forward
progress
and
growth,
and
I
appreciate
that
steve
hosted
a
neighborhood
call
to
walk
us
through
his
plan
for
this
site.
But
truly,
I
guess
I'm
unsure
as
to
where
the
impression
was
given
that
any
of
us
supported
this
development.
F
Ultimately,
I
know
that
it's
been
said
that
this
is
going
to
benefit
the
community,
but
I'm
not
sure
who
determines
who
would
be
a
benefit,
especially
to
those
of
us
that
already
living
here.
It
said
that
this
is
the
best
use
of
land.
However,
on
the
call
steve
has
said
that
he
hadn't
even
considered
senior
living
for
this
site
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
regardless
of
what
steve
did
or
didn't
say,
I
would
just
urge
you
to
please
think
about
those
of
us
that
live
in
this
neighborhood
and
this
community.
F
C
D
For
us
all-
and
we
also
are
concerned
about
a
couple
of
things
once
the
zoning
changes
have
occurred,
can
the
plans
change
after
the
zoning
change
and
how
widely
does
this
zoning
change
open
the
door
for
other
projects
like
this
to
occur
in
the
neighborhood?
Should
more
property,
be
you
know,
purchased
which
would
significantly
change
the
neighborhood?
A
H
H
H
A
couple
points
I
want
to
make
first
of
all
is:
I
think
you
guys
need
to
work
on
looking
at
the
zoom
or
something
because
there's
no
way
for
you
to
see
how
many
people
are
really
there,
as
well
as
when
I
there
had
to
be
more
people
online,
because
talking
to
other
neighbors
there's
a
lot
of
concern.
I
was
kicked
off,
I'm
having
a
call
back
in
I'm
scrambling
on
online
trying
to
find
emails
to
send
emails
to
you
guys
get
back
on.
H
So
I
would
assume
you
can't
expect
that
there's
only
three
people
that
wanted
to
talk,
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up.
A
couple
points
I'd
like
to
make
is,
it
really
seems
like
the
developers
are
really
pushing
every
button
they
can
to
cram
in
a
high
density,
how
we
see
it
in
the
neighborhood
project
and
them
having
to
go
from
a
low
to
medium
having
to
change
from
r1
to
r3
having
to
change
from
a
30
foot
to
a
20
foot,
which
is
a
33
decrease
not
having
the
sidewalks
to
the
back.
H
H
Now,
where
my
next
concern
is,
is
the
developer
steve,
who
I
respect
you
working
really
hard
on
this
project,
but
the
owners
of
the
property
who
I
understand
was
trying
to
run
for
the
city
at
some
point,
he's
got
to
be
a
great
guy
in
the
city
trying
to
do
his
thing,
but
my
concern
is
he
had
a
property
for
years?
You
can
even
see
pictures
on
it,
how
he
did
nothing
to
it,
the
he
has
a
murder
in
the
property
and
he
can't
even
spend
15
to
replace
a
broken
glass.
H
In
addition,
the
entire
wall
along
the
parkway
is
just
a
mess
and
never
maintained,
and
this
is
somebody
that
we
want
to
allow
get
into
such
a
big
project
and
one
of
the
points
that
steve
made
was
when
we
were.
He
was
talking
about
another
developer
that
you
have
to
be
concerned
of
their
financial
issues
and
have
income
and
balance
sheets.
Well,
I
can
tell
you
this.
That
was
a
250
000
house
or
so
not
much
of
an
investment,
and
he
can't
even
maintain
that.
H
So
I'm
very
concerned
that
the
city
is
going
to
go
through
some
heroic
efforts
to
bypass
the
rules
that
we
have
and
the
regulations
you
know
I
can
understand.
If
there's
a
couple
of
things
to
have
a
little
bit
of
a,
we
need
a
little
bit
like
an
extra
foot
to
get
this
one
sidewalk
through
or
something
but
he's
pushing.
H
Lastly,
is
the
fact:
we're
building
all
these
homes
to
bring
families
in
there's,
not
a
single
area,
from
what
I
can
see
in
the
pictures
for
those
kids
to
actually
have
their
own
yards
to
play
in
so
every
single
time
they're
having
to
leave
their
own
property.
You
wouldn't
allow
me
to
do
that.
If
I
was
to
build
a
brand
new
house,
I
have
to
have
so
much
grass
area,
for
you
know
just
for
the
community
itself,
but
also
for
people
to
have
a
nice
environment.
H
A
B
B
If
you
were
to
require
the
30
feet,
set
back
and
and
oppose
that
particular
variance,
you
would
have
much
more
sight
line
for
people
entering
an
exiting
pen
if
the
county
would
approve
that
change,
which
I
understand,
I
don't
think
they
have
yet.
But
I
echo
the
commissioner
who
spoke
and
said
the
dips
do
affect
the
line
of
sight.
They
do
a
lot
there
and
I
think
the
setback
is
crucial.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
you
have
a
setback
is
so
that
you
have
you,
don't
impede
traffic's
line
of
sight
on
busy
streets.
H
H
H
A
A
H
H
That's
a
very
concrete
concern
right
there
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
I'm
going
to
stand
behind
her
concerns
with
that.
I
reside
on
penn
lake
and
I
drive
in
front
of
that
plot
of
land
every
single
day
several
times
a
day,
and
I'm
going
to
be
following
up
with.
Excuse
me
following
up
with
some
additional
information
to
the
city
about
this,
because
there
are
a
number
of
concerns
here
and
so
anyway,
I
want
to
just
take
the
time
to
say
thank
you
for
allowing
this
time
for
people
to
have
the
input.
A
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair
traffic.
On
hague,
I
understand
there's
a
roundabout
going
in
and
there's
direct
access
from
86th
street
to
35w.
I
think
that's
driving
a
lot
of
the
traffic
through
that
neighborhood.
I'm
sure
there
was
a
study
in
how
that
roundabout
would
affect
that,
and
I
really
don't
think
that
our
plan
here
is
going
to
have
much
additional
traffic
on
hay
compared
to
what
it
is.
Currently,
no
construction,
equipment
or
material
can
leave
the
site.
J
Nothing
can
be
parked
on
the
street,
we're
doing
this
in
phases
to
allow
sufficient
space
on
site
for
all
all
construction
equipment
materials
to
be
parked
and
stored.
I've
built
twin
homes
in
east
bloomington
in
areas
that
were
predominantly
low
to
mid
200,
000
price
points
and
we
sold
those
very
quickly
at
350
thousand.
So
if
the
predominant
single
family
home
price
here
is
300,
I
do
suspect
the
market
will
absorb
these
quickly,
even
even
in
the
400s.
J
J
It's
architects
opinion
that
light
pollution
from
the
site
won't
be
any
different
than
if
we
were
to
build
nine
single
family
homes.
Here
my
comment
about
support
for
development.
It
was
in
support
of
residential
development,
so
a
number
of
the
callers
said
that
I
wasn't
speaking
accurately.
In
fact,
I
am-
and
I
was
that
a
lot
of
the
neighborhood
and
even
online
community
groups
spoke
in
strong
favor
of
residential
development.
That
was
my
comment.
J
The
neighborhood
conversation
went
three
hours.
I
ended
it
abruptly
at
nine
pm
as
a
couple
of
the
callers
that
I
had
to
mute
violated.
My
first
rule,
which
was
to
be
respectful,
hennepin
county,
did
initially
approve
the
write-in
write-out
access
a
year
ago.
We
have
that
in
writing
from
the
platte
review
committee
and
it
was
in
support
because
of
emergency
access,
which
is
shared
by
the
fire
marshal.
J
There
has
been
an
issue
with
the
existing
property,
which
is
why
we
raised
the
house
and
we
don't
want
those
types
of
things
continuing
here
and
safety
is
our
primary
concern.
So
this
right
and
right
now
it's
going
to
be
looked
at
very
closely
again
by
the
flat
review.
I
would
expect
city
traffic
engineering.
J
We
may
not
be
able
to
determine
exactly
what
we
have
to
do
there
until
we
grade
the
site
potentially,
but
there
are
some
other
options
we
can
make
that
an
emergency
exit
only.
I
would
welcome
opinions
on
that
and,
lastly,
I
will
stand
by
my
word
that
we're
going
to
screen
the
north
side
of
the
property
currently
most
of
the
storm
water
that
runs
off
runs
off
to
the
north
and
the
storm
water
plan
will
change
that
so
that
we
don't
have
runoff
going
into
the
north
properties.
J
A
H
F
Hello.
Thank
you.
Sorry.
I
just
have
one
question
for
the
chairman:
I'm
just
curious.
Is
there
anything
that
the
residents
can
do
those
those
of
us
that
are
very
opposed
to
this
project?
Is
there
anything
that
we
can
do
to
show
city
council
just
how
strong
our
opposition
is
and
how
passionate
we
are
about
our
neighborhood
and
keeping
it
intact?
F
A
A
B
D
A
E
That
is
me
all
right,
just
a
few
things
to
touch
on
here.
For
starters,
I
think
we
should
just
say
certainly
that
we
appreciate
the
public
comments.
That's
been
provided
here
and
regardless
of
you
know
what
direction
various
commissioners
go
on.
This
certainly
we've
heard
the
public's
comments.
We've
gotten
a
lot
of
emails,
handwritten
letters,
and
I
speaking
for
myself.
I've
read
all
of
them
and
certainly
I'm
taking
that
into
account
as
we
make
our
decision
here.
So
just
a
thank
you
to
the
public
for
your
engagement
on
this
item.
E
Speaking
more
broadly,
as
I
start
to
try
to
frame
this
this
item,
the
comprehensive
plan
is
sort
of
our
guide
here
and
it
talks
about.
You
know:
development
of
life,
cycle
housing
throughout
the
city
and
the
way
I
interpret
that
is
it's
the
right
projects
in
the
right
place
and
I
think
location
is
really
important
on
this
item.
E
It's
telling
us
to
find
ways
to
develop
and
increase
our
housing
stock
with
the
right
projects
in
the
right
place
and,
seeing
you
know
the
comp,
the
comparable
townhome
projects
that
have
been
built
in
the
city
of
wilmington
over
the
last
20
years.
I
do
think
this
is
consistent
with
previous
developments
that
we've
we've
seen,
particularly
the
development
on
old
shakopee
road
is,
is
very
similar
to
this,
and
I
support
staff's
recommendation
that
medium
density
is
compatible
with
single-family
low-density
housing.
E
I
I
agree
with
with
staff's
position
on
that,
and
so,
as
I
look
at
this,
I
do
feel
that,
with
the
amount
of
traffic
we
see
at
this
intersection
that
a
you
know
somewhat
higher
level
of
defensive
density.
Housing
at
this
intersection
is
appropriate,
and
if
this
were
being
proposed
further
down
86th
street
or
over
in
the
neighborhood
to
the
east,
I
I
would
not
feel
the
same
way,
but
this
is
a
very
busy
intersection
and
I
do
find
that
this
could
be
the
right
project
at
the
right
place
and
those
are
my
global
thoughts.
E
I
do
have
one
additional
thought
regarding
the
screening
on
the
north
side
of
this
property.
I
I
would
support
an
additional
condition
to
ensure
that
we're
going
to
get
additional
screening
on
the
north
side,
something
I
think
that
could
be
worked
through
with
city
staff
with
the
developer.
To
make
sure
that
happens.
I
would
like
to
see
that
as
an
additional
condition
for
approval
on
this
to
ensure
that
that
center
drive
aisle
does
not
put
headlights
on
the
homeowners
to
the
north.
So
I
would
be
in
favor
of
that
additional
condition
of
approval.
A
G
Yeah
chairman
solberg
glenn,
you
can
certainly
answer
too,
if
you
don't
or
if
you
want
to
add
anything.
But
what
I
was
going
to
say
is
that
if
the
site
is
rezoned
and
this
project
does
not
go
anywhere
a
they
would
have
to
go
through
a
similar
public
hearing
process
to
get
approval
similar
to
what
you
are
conducting
this
evening
and
b.
The
number
of
units
that
you're
seeing
with
this
plan
is
the
maximum
allowed
in
the
base
zoning
district
without
any
additional
flexibility
for
density.
G
A
A
I
was
very
interested
in
and
had
contacted
staff
about
and
was
really
if
this
development
is
being
graded.
What
is
the
impact
to
not
just
the
neighborhood
but
penn
lake,
and
so
as
we
see
that
this
drainage
changes
from
the
site
that
went
to
the
north
was
drastically
reduced
from
a
square
footage?
I
think,
somewhere
in
the
the
vicinity
of
30
000
square
square
feet
to
4
000
square
feet,
I
don't
have
it
right
off
39
000
square
feet
drain
to
the
north
and
after
this
development
that
would
be
reduced
to
4200
square
feet.
A
Hopefully
that
answers
one
of
the
questions
out
there
in
the
public.
What
that
means,
though,
is
also
that
that
is
capturing
at
a
certain
level
in
these
large
large
rain
events.
These
systems
can't
contain
anything.
Just
like
a
normal
property
would
not
be
able
to
absorb
everything.
So
it
does
not
mean
that
there
still
couldn't
be
run
off.
A
So
I
think
it
does
provide
for
some
of
that
life
cycle.
Now,
when
you
come
to
the
comp
plan
and
just
continuing
to
understand
why
we
allow
some
of
these
things,
it's
to
appropriately
place
them,
and
I
it
meets
kind
of
the
smell
test
of
the
it's
appropriate
on
arterials
and
collectors
benefits
from
transit
and
amenities.
We
know
penn
avenue
has
those
which
can
also
help
reduce
traffic.
A
I
think
the
question
starts
to
look
at
what
is
the
neighborhood
look
like?
I'm
not
sure
that
I
think
that
it
is,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
I
think
it
isn't.
I
think
where
I
start
to
turn
more
with
this
fellow
commission.
Members
is
that's
a
lot
in
a
small
location
and
I
did
go
through
some
of
these
other
locations,
pretty
quiet,
town,
home
developments,
but
they're
very,
very
dense,
compared
to
more
of
the
other
spread,
suburban
development
that
we
do
have
in
the
city.
A
A
As
far
as
the
safety
of
the
intersections,
I
look
at
this
and
I
think
one
of
the
questions
that
comes
to
my
mind
and
and
as
a
transportation
official
is
really
the
write
in
right
out
and
what
is
the
opportunity
for
that
to
work
as
designed,
kirk
roberts
has
looked
at
the
sight
lines
and
I
fully
understand
and
know
that
he
is
a
professional
in
this
and
so
sight
lines.
I
can
certainly
understand,
but
it
really
is
about
the
access
onto
pen
itself
that
I
think
hennepin
county
had
questioned.
A
That
being
said,
as
a
condition
for
those
professionals
to
come
to
an
agreement
on
that,
I'm
I'm
willing
to
leave
that
to
their
judgment
in
this
case,
and
then
we
go
back
to
really
the
variance,
and
I
will
say
if
this
were
to
move
forward.
I
think
the
variance
is
appropriate.
It
moves
it
away
from
the
impact
of
other
residential
development.
A
The
widening
of
the
sidewalk
does
open
up
the
view
lines
along
penn
avenue
and
should
aid
in
those
sight
lines.
So
for
that
benefit,
I'm
I'm
willing
and
think.
We
can
make
a
case
to
say
that
a
variance
can
move
forward
in
this
particular
application
and
again
the
sidewalks
in
this
one.
We
talk
about
if
this
moves
forward
in
the
configuration,
the
sidewalks
that
are
not
in
the
site
plan
for
the
I
believe
it's
the
six
homes
in
the
northeast
corner,
I
think,
is
appropriate.
A
It's
a
very
small
volume
of
traffic
that
would
be
going
through
there
very
difficult
to
accommodate
the
drainage
on
the
topography
of
the
site
and
also
accommodate
sidewalks,
and
I
think,
there's
a
reason
to
believe
that
that
would
be
appropriate.
But
I
do
come
back
to
the
density
of
15
units
on
this
site.
So
I
think,
from
the
standpoint
of
of
the
application
in
front
of
us,
I
think
we're
I'm
really
struggling
more
with
is
just
the
the
plan
that's
in
in
front
of
us.
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
think
I'm
you
know
I
I
find
myself
in
a
similar
situation,
maybe
40
minutes
or
so
ago.
When
I
first
had
some
thoughts,
you
know
again,
I
think
the
concept
of
a
ton
of
home
development
in
this
area
is
not
inappropriate
and
again,
as
was
raised,
the
question
about
density
by
several
of
those
who
wrote
was
one
of
my
original
things.
I
A
A
D
The
medium
density,
residential
rezoning
and
comprehensive
plan
change
there.
However,
if
you
know
my
question
regarding
that
would
be,
is
there
is
there
going
to
be
much
of
a
difference
between
the
10
units
or,
however
many
units
proposed?
That
would
be
less
and
the
15
my
inclination
is
no
would
not
be
that
huge
of
a
difference.
D
D
D
You
know,
I
think,
the
the
number
of
people
the
number
of
families
have
to
be
considered
when
you're
thinking
about
you
know
how
many
people
have
access
to
parks.
How
many
people
have
access
to
amenities,
how
many
people
have
access
to
life,
cycle,
housing
and
diversity
of
housing?
And
so
I
guess
I
still
I.
I
am
still
inclined
to
be
in
support
of
this
project
as
it
is.
E
A
Thank
you
yeah,
just
if
I
may
a
couple
thoughts
and
again
we
do
have
a
high
level
discretion
on
this
application
in
front
of
us,
and
so
I
I
tend
to
look
at
this
as
well.
It
may
meet
or,
or
me
check
off
a
lot
of
those
areas
of
our
comp
plan.
I
I'm
looking
at
this
back
as
we
are
the
ones
that
are
being
charged
to
make
that
recommendation
to
city
council.
A
If
this
is
an
appropriate
location-
and
I
start
to
wonder
about
this
from
just
a
couple
different
areas
again-
and
I
spoke
way
too
long
about
it-
trying
to
say
what
I
was
thinking
earlier.
But
if
the
density
on
this
particular
site
were
decreased
with
this
application
there's
I
think
it
opens
up
other
opportunities
that
I
don't
want
to
lose
sight
of.
One
is-
and
I
don't
know
staffs
thoughts
on
this,
but
maybe
the
access
off
of
pen
would
not
be
required
or
there
might
be
enough
room
to
provide
turnarounds
for
emergency
vehicles.
A
There
could
potentially
be
benefits
to
providing
open
I'll,
be
a
playground
for
families
because
again
you're
at
a
three
and
four
bedrooms.
Here
I
look
at
this
a
little
bit
differently
than
maybe
some
of
the
other
applications
that
have
come
before
us
with
a
lot
of
one
and
two
bedroom,
and
we
know
you
know
it's
typically
going
to
be
our
our
older
citizens
or
it's
probably
going
to
be
our
younger
citizen,
single
or
or
married
that
are
starting
their
life
here.
A
C
I'm
sorry
I
was
on
mute
to
summarize
what
I
just
mentioned
to
the
to
mr
chairman.
We
did
receive
one
additional
email
just
now
it's
from
a
zack
baker,
and
I
did
forward
that
to
all
of
the
planning
commissioners
said
he
was
unable
to
get
on
to
testify,
so
we
could
either
check
in
with
mr
baker
or
I
could,
as
you
said
summarize
his
correspondence.
I
A
C
C
C
A
D
I'm
I'm
happy
to
make
a
motion.
However,
I
do
want
to
address
the
this
letter
in
regards
to
the
public
comment,
and
I
think
I
want
to
echo
commissioners
cooked
and
cooked
in
initial
comments
about
thanking
the
public
and
mentioning
that
they
that
he
had
read
every
letter.
I
too
have
read
every
letter
and
appreciate
the
public
testimony,
so
I
want
to
reiterate
that
we
are.
We
have
listened
and
thank
you
for
your
feedback
and
your
testimony.
A
That
is
to
make
sure
that
you
are
in
communication
during
that
hearing
with
the
city
council,
which
will
be
on
october
5th,
make
sure
that
you
are
watching
the
city
website
and
so
that
you
get
the
information
and
obviously,
as
public
officials,
they
are
available
to
you
through
various
other
communication
means
prior
to
that
meeting.
So
that
is
definitely
a
way
to
make
your
voices
heard.
A
I
A
I
D
C
Mr
chairman,
the
motion
to
approve
failed.
I
would
recommend
if
the
commission
wanted
to
recommend
denial,
that
they
have
another
motion
just
so
that
that's
clear
for
the
record
and
it
would
be,
would
be
impossible
to
re-zone
without
the
re-guiding
and
the
other
applications
would
not
be
consistent
with
a
comp
plan.
C
I
B
D
A
And
myself
as
an
I,
that's
a
split
vote
on
that
item
and
that
recommendation
those
recommendations
will
move
on
to
the
city
council.
As
this
did
not
pass,
I
don't
we
will
move
forward
with
the
remaining
recommendations
or
denials
for
this
case,
just
as
a
matter
of
record
for
the
city
council.
So
we
have
a
second
recommendation
in
front
of
us
is
their
emotion.
E
C
I
A
D
A
I
I
For
the
trifecta
you
might
as
well,
mr
chair
in
case
pl
2020-133.
Having
been
unable
to
make
the
required
findings,
I
moved
to
recommend
denial
of
preliminary
and
final
development
plans
for
a
15
unit,
townhome
development
located
at
8525
and
8545
penn
avenue
south
subject
to
the
conditions
and
code
requirements
attached
to
the
staff
report.
D
A
D
A
A
D
A
Commissioner
cook
done,
I
and
myself
know
that
moves
forward
with
a
no
recommendation
as
following
commissioner
or
sorry,
mr
marker
guard's
recommendation.
Those
that
fail
on
a
recommendation
for
approval
would
be
beneficial
if
we
have
a
second
vote
to
verify
any
condition
or
having
been
able
to
not
make
findings.
A
A
Thank
you.
We
have
a
motion
in
front
of
us
to
deny
recommendation
of
the
approval
of
preliminary
and
final
plot
at
penn
lake.
Is
there
a
second
commissioner
roman?
Second,
all
right,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
in
front
of
us
all,
those
in
favor
of
recommending
denial
of
the
preliminary
and
final
plot
of
penn
lake
city
homes
signaled.
By
saying
I,
by
roll
call,
commissioner
roman,
I
commissioner
albrecht.
D
K
Okay,
so
the
the
last
item
on
your
agenda
tonight
is
a
privately
initiated
city
cone
amendment
and
that
amendment
would
define
a
new
use.
Category
called
warehousing
limited
and
add
that
use
as
a
conditional,
limited
use
in
the
b1
zoning
district.
So
to
make
sure
that's
clear,
this
new
use
category
would
only
be
applicable
within
the
b1
zoning
district.
K
It
would
increase
flexibility
for
property
owners
in
the
b1
district,
specifically
office
buildings
that
may
have
some
vacant
space
that
the
property
room
wants
to
fill,
especially
in
the
in
the
project
description.
It
was
identified
the
need
to
be
a
little
more
flexible
on
the
type
of
kind
of
flex
office
type
buildings
which
we
do
have
quite
a
few
in
the
city
bloomington.
K
C
K
Thank
you.
Okay,
sorry
about
that.
Going
back
to
the
last
bullet
point
there
and
we'll
talk
about
in
the
definition
briefly,
but
the
intent
here
with
this
particular
use
is
that
the
warehouse
with
user
would
be
a
very
low
intensity
user,
where
really
the
intent
is
for
document
storage
or
more
passive
storage.
K
K
So
this
is
the
proposed
definition
and
I'll.
Just
read
it
real
briefly,
very
quickly,
so
warehousing
limited
would
entail
indoor
storage
of
materials,
equipment
or
products,
including
such
customary
and
incidental
activities,
as
approved
with
the
conditional
use
permit
warehousing
limited,
has
infrequent
truck
traffic,
no
open
storage
of
materials
and
does
not
involve
manufacturing.
K
A
warehouse
limited
does
not
include
self
storage
facilities
which
are
defined
separately
and
then
in
terms
of
the
technical
changes
to
the
zoning
code.
Essentially,
this
is
what
the
draft
ordinance
or
the
ordinance
would
entail,
is
adding
a
use
category
to
the
use
types
in
our
commercial
districts
and
then
adding
a
cond
or
cl
or
conditional
limited
use
in
the
b1.
K
K
So,
in
terms
of
the
the
content
of
those
concerns,
I
think
staff
agrees
on
this
graphic
here.
We've
identified
all
of
the
property
that
zoned
b1
in
the
city.
If
you
can
see
the
arrow
in
the
upper
right
hand,
really
the
impetus
for
this
application
was
a
property
owner
of
that
property.
They'd
like
to
have
some
space
occupied
by
a
passive
warehouse
user,
but
when
we
reviewed
the
proposal,
we're
not,
we
don't
believe
that
this
type
of
user
would
be
a
detriment
to
our
commercial
commercial
nodes.
K
There
are,
however,
a
few
properties
where
we
think
that
the
property
unit
could
take
advantage
of
this,
should
it
be
approved
because
it's
more
of
a
again
like
this
type
of
flex
office,
type
development
where
there
might
be
some
extra
tenant
space
that
that
could
be
filled
with
a
passive
warehouse
user.
So
we
are.
We
are
comfortable
with
the
proposal.
K
So
those
are
sorts
of
the
some
of
the
things
that
we'll
be
reviewing,
should
the
ordinance
be
approved
and
a
conditional
use
permit
is
submitted
in
the
future.
With
that,
we
are
recommending
approval.
We
did
include
the
draft
ordinance
in
your
packet
tonight.
We
are
recommending
that
the
planning
commission
recommend
city
council
adopt
that
ordinance.
A
K
Mr
chair
good
question:
we
we
don't
have
a
specific
definition
of
what
of
what
frequent
is.
You
know
we
aren't
trying
to
come
up
with
a
specific
number
of
truck
trips
necessarily
per
day.
What
it
really
comes
down
to
is
the
potential
user
that
would
submit
for
a
conditional
use
permit,
and
they
would
need
to
provide
details
with
the
frequency
of
truck
traffic
that
they
would
be
using
for
a
particular
site.
K
A
Okay
and
then,
if
I
can
just
follow
up
only
because
we've
had
so
many
of
the
the
self
storage
facilities,
how
do
we
define
that?
So
what
I'm
my
question
is
is
if
this
is
as
a
ancillary
use
to
the
remaining
use,
could
could
somebody
contract
to
be
to
come
pick
up
storage
equipment,
whatever
it
is
and
bring
to
their
site
under
this?
K
K
In
addition,
that's
not
a
use
that
would
is
permitted
in
the
b1
zone
district,
so
this
would
be
a
distinct
use
within
this
b1
district
again,
the
intent
here
is
to
have
individual
tenant
apply
for
conditional
use
permit
for
a
particular
space
within
a
building.
The
intent
is
not
to
allow
that
tenant
to
divide
up
that
warehouse
space
for
a
number
of
leases,
which
would
be
more
similar
to
self
storage,
so
that
would
not
be
an
acceptable
application.
A
C
L
Good
evening,
mr
chairs,
commissioners,
staff
peter
coyle
speaking
out
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
hoyt
properties,
mr
steve
hoyt,
mr
hoyt's
company,
is
a
long
time.
Long-Standing
owner
operator
of
office,
warehouse
facilities,
office,
showroom
facilities
throughout
the
twin
cities.
Very
successful
in
that
regard.
L
When,
when
we
started
this
conversation
with
city
staff,
londell
pease
in
particular,
it
was
it
was
pre.
The
harsh
realities
of
the
covid
circumstance
that
we
are
now
dealing
with,
but
it
was
a
conversation
that
was
intended
to
reflect
the
changes
that
mr
hoyt
was
seeing
in
his
business
and
that
in
the
practice
I
have
that
I
was
hearing
others
speak
about,
which
is
the
need
for
increased
flexibility
in
trying
to
make
sure
that
properties
that
are
designated
for
office
use
are
being
utilized
to
their
fullest
extent.
L
That
would
like
some
ability
to
have
warehouse
space
within
their
office
area
and
based
on
the
percentage
allocation
that
mr
centenario
referred
to
a
minute
ago.
If
a
particular
building
has
the
vast
majority,
if
not
all,
of
its
currently
available
space
leased
space
occupied
by
office.
Only
then
that
residual
space
up
to
the
25
cap
could
theoretically
be
available
to
a
single
tenant
for
a
relatively
larger
share
of
of
warehouse
use.
L
But
the
conditional
use
permit
process
that
mr
hoyt
would
have
to
go
through
for
his
property.
Should
he
choose
to
proceed
and
if
the
city
council
accepts
this
idea
would
require
him
and
us
to
be
able
to
answer
those
very
specific
questions
about
the
types
of
tenants
that
we
would
anticipate
the
type
of
truck
traffic
that
would
be
contemplated
the
nature
of
the
storage
activity
that
would
be
anticipated
and
and
with
respect
to
the
truck
traffic
question,
because
that's
a
fair
one.
L
It's
not
expected
that
this
space
would
be
big
enough
to
accommodate
somebody
whose
regular
business
is
supplying
a
fleet
of
trucks,
of
whatever
number
that
would
be
going
in
and
out
all
day
long
making
service
calls.
That's
not
the
purpose
a
company
might
have
one
or
two
that
would
be
called
out
on
a
delivery
for
some
purpose
over
the
course
of
the
day,
but
without
having
a
specific
tenant
in
front
of
us.
L
L
This
is
a
secondary,
limited
option
that
would
hopefully
allow
landlords
to
be
able
to
successfully
and
and
for
a
long
term,
lease
up
their
space
and
keep
the
property
tax
base
of
the
city
healthy
and
the
real
estate.
That
is
reflected
therein
healthy
as
well.
So
that's
that's
the
broad
context,
mr
chair
and
commissioners.
L
A
D
A
D
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
I
would
say
I
find
myself
agreeing
with
both
christian
tenon
yourself.
It
is
not
necessarily
in
alignment
with
what
serves
the
nearby
area
the
best.
However,
we
also
know
that
as
much
as
we
have
studied
neighborhood
commercial
nodes
and
and
prioritize,
it's
a
great
thing
to
reinvest
in.
We
have
not
seen
that
happen,
so
if
we
can
provide
limited
use
that
does
provide
for
the
opportunity
to
generate
some
income
in
these
properties.
I
Perhaps
that
will
lead
to
the
kind
of
redevelopment
that
we
hope
for
maybe
maybe
not
there's
no
guarantee,
but
I
too
find
the
split
challenging
between
between
whether
or
not
warehousing
is
a
benefit
to
the
nearby
area,
as
is
the
district
versus
spaces
that
are
sitting
fallow.
So
at
this
time,
I'm
meeting
toward
of
the
support
of
this
I'd
just
be
curious
to
hear
their
other
thoughts.
A
A
That's
of
interest
to
me.
I
think
we
we
don't
have
a
good
sense
of
what
those
largest
facilities
are
and
what
sort
of
space
that
provides,
but
again
that's
kind
of
comforted
with
the
fact
that
this
is
a
conditional
use,
permit
a
limited
use,
and
so
each
one
of
these
would
have
to
come
in
front
of
us
to
to
be
approved
and
yeah.
I
guess
that's
my
comments
at
this
point.
So,
let's
see
anybody
else
like
to
speak
to
this
or
make
a
motion.