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From YouTube: November 4, 2021 Planning Commission Meeting
Description
Planning Commission Meeting
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
november
4th
bloomington
planning
commission
meeting,
the
planning
commission
is
advises
the
city
council
on
development
proposals,
development
standards,
long-range
planning
and
transportation
issues.
Some
of
the
items
the
planning
commission
has
final
decision
authority
and
others.
The
city
council
will
make
the
final
decision.
A
A
I
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
united
states
of
america
and
to
the
republic
for
which
it
stands:
one
nation,
under
god,
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all
all
right
and
before
we
get
going
tonight.
Mr
marker
guard,
do
you
want
to
go
through
the
procedures
for
folks
that
are
at
home
that
want
to
participate
tonight.
B
B
A
C
C
The
opportunity
for
the
planning
commission
tonight
is
to
provide
comment
and
discussion
on
the
project
as
well
as,
although
it
is
a
study
item
we
are
tonight,
we
will
give
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council
regarding
municipal
consent
on
this
project.
Tonight
we
have
amy
roane
from
city
staff
and
others
joining
us,
so
amy
go
ahead.
D
D
Mndot
has
submitted
a
project
layout
for
project
one
for
the
municipal
consent
process
and
while
tonight
is
not
a
public
hearing
in
two
weeks,
we
will
have
a
public
hearing
with
the
city
council.
So
we'll
look
forward
to
bringing
the
planning
commission's
recommendation
to
the
council.
If
you
do
have
a
recommendation
as
an
outcome
of
the
update
tonight
and
on
the
remote
here
remotely
here,
we
have
amber
blanchard
from
mndot
who's
going
to
do
the
presentation
she
has
been
involved
in
this
process
since
just
about
the
beginning.
D
So
we're
pretty
excited
that
we're
at
the
point
now
where
there
is
a
project
that
is
developed
and
she
will
go
through
both
the
vision
and
the
proposed
project,
as
well
as
some
of
the
upcoming
additional
public
involvement
process
and
decisions
that
still
are
to
be
made
for
the
project.
So
I
will
step
back,
but
if
you
have
any
questions
to
direct
to
city
staff,
I
will
definitely
be
available.
E
E
E
So,
starting
with
the
background
and
a
little
bit
on
the
overall
timeline
itself,
andrew
lataya,
who
is
the
project
manager?
Actually,
I
should
just
introduce
myself
again
amber
blanchard
with
mndot,
I'm
the
major
projects
manager
with
the
metro
district
and
I'm
also
the
494
corridor
director
andrew
lataya
is
the
west
area
engineer
and
he's
also
the
project
manager
for
this
project,
and
he
couldn't
be
here
tonight.
So
I
will
be
giving
the
presentation
here
and
feel
free
to
ask
any
questions
as
I
go
through
this.
E
So
andrew
has
been
involved
in
the
original
study
in
2018
when
we
kicked
off
and
I
joined
the
project
team
in
the
spring
of
2019.
So
just
a
year
after
andrew
started
and
we've
been
going
through
a
lot
of
work
on
this
project
and
really
the
entire
corridor
for
the
study.
As
you
recall,
the
study
went
from
it
has
gone
from
highway,
169
to
the
airport
and
we've
narrowed
down
to
the
first
construction
project,
which
I'll
go
into
here
in
a
little
bit.
E
But
we've
gone
through
a
couple
of
phases
of
screening
we're
in
our
third
phase.
Right
now
of
screening,
which
consists
of
the
preliminary
design
and
environmental
review
process,
and
here
in
upcoming
in
2022,
we
will
be
getting
our
contract
documents
ready
and
put
together
so
that
we
can
get
a
design
build
contractor
on
board
in
early
2023
and
begin
construction
in
the
summer
of
2023.
E
The
first
construction
project
consists
of
the
easy
pass
lanes
in
both
directions
from
highway
100
to
35w.
It
can,
as
you
can
see
in
this
graphic,
that
depicts
what
we
call
elements
three
and
four
was
found
in
eastbound
easy
pass,
and
then
we
also
have
the
construction
of
nicola
avenue,
portland
avenue,
12th
avenue,
new
bridges
that
we're
reconstructing
and
replacing,
and
then
we
have
the
construction
of
a
brand
new
pedestrian
structure
that
will
go
in
roughly
around
chicago
avenue.
E
We've
got
this
layout
that
provides
construction
features
such
as
you
know:
the
roadway,
construction,
sidewalks
trails,
bridges,
retaining
walls,
noise,
walls,
those
are
indicated
in
the
layout.
We
also
have
right-of-way
needs
that
are
indicated
in
the
layout
in
the
color
green
and
I'm
gonna
go
through
a
few
of
the
areas.
Just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
what
that
looks
like
amy,
I
believe,
has
the
layout
as
well,
if
you'd
like
to
take
a
closer
look,
the
actual
paper
version,
probably
in
her
office.
E
E
You
can
see
here,
like
I
said
before,
the
green
is
the
right
of
way
that
we
will
need
the
pink
color.
There
is
existing
roadway
that
we
will
be
eliminating
and
redoing
with
yellow
and
then
the
blue
kind
of
tailing
off
of
normandale
service,
road
and
american
boulevard
are
likely
just
extensions
so
that
we
can
tie
in
the
striping
and
tie
it
into
the
from
the
existing
to
the
new.
E
Moving
to
the
east,
another
location
I
wanted
to
kind
of
talk
through
is
between
xerxes
and
penn
avenue.
In
this
location
we
do
have
a
full
reconstruction
of
494
main
line.
It
does
include
easy
pass,
accommodations
and
expansion
to
the
outside
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
note.
We
were
able
to
modify
the
alignment
so
that
we
could
stay
as
far
as
possible
out
of
existing
homes
on
the
north
side
here,
so
we
shifted
the
road
south
to
be
able
to
do
that
in
green.
E
Here
is
the
turbine
interchange
that
we're
proposing
for
494
and
35w.
You
can
see
again
in
green.
There
is
the
right-of-way
acquisition
that
we
will
need
to
facilitate
this
design.
There
is
also
a
few
bridges
in
this
area,
both
on
the
turbine
interchange
itself
and
then
over
here,
closer
to
penn
avenue.
E
E
This
turbine
interchange
design
will
facilitate
the
inclusion
of
a
directional
ramp
movement
that
will
facilitate
the
movement
between
northbound
35w
and
westbound
494,
as
you
can
see
here
in
the
circular
pattern
that
is
going
around
the
interchange.
That
is
the
essence
of
the
turbine
design
and
that
will
come
under
the
braid
bridge.
It's
kind
of
hard
to
see
in
this
graphic,
but
there
is
a
bridge
here
for
grade
separation
between
the
ramp
coming
off
of
494
westbound,
two
pen,
as
well
as
the
new
ramp
new
directional
ramp.
E
Going
westbound
on
494.,
so
that
is
this
area
and
there's
a
handful
of
other
kind
of
ancillary
things
that
are
going
on.
We
do
have
some
frontage
road
reconstruction
on
the
north
side
in
richfield
around
here.
We
also
do
have
a
cul-de-sac
here.
On
the
south
side,
blue
indicates
any
ponding
that
will
be
going
in
and
orange
indicates
the
bridges.
I
failed
to
mention
that
earlier.
E
Further
east
of
35w
is
the
area
that
we
are
going
to
be
changing
access,
we're
putting
full
access
at
portland
avenue,
and
currently
there
is
access
at
portland,
12th
and
nicolette,
and
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
that
access
does
cause
some
issues
with
congestion,
as
you
are
I'm
sure
fully
aware.
So
we
are
eliminating
access
at
nicolet
and
at
portland
and
putting
that
all
at
excuse
me
at
12th
and
putting
that
all
at
portland
again
there's
some
right-of-way
acquisition
that
is
needed,
especially
in
the
portland
area.
E
E
E
And
then
we
also
have
some
right-of-way
needs
here
at
82nd
and
penn,
an
80
second
and
pen.
I
hadn't
shown
that
before
on
the
main
layout,
as
it's
a
little
hard
to
see
it's
off
to
the
side,
this
we
are
doing
some
work
at
this
intersection
to
accommodate
the
rise
in
traffic
volume
that
is
associated
with
the
access
changes
due
to
the
turbine
interchange
at
penn.
E
E
E
E
E
So
we
have
a
couple
of
a
few
areas
of
further
investigation
that
we
continue
to
work
on.
Community
outreach
is
one
of
them
and
I'll
get
into
that
here
in
a
little
bit,
local
traffic
impacts
amy
can
it
and
julie
can
attest
that
we
have
had
several
discussions
about
local
traffic
impacts,
especially
during
construction,
and
that
continues
to
be
discussed
at
our
weekly
meetings
and
will
continue
to
be
discussed
as
we
get
into
the
design
build
contract
language
as
well.
E
Noise
walls
I'm
going
to
just
skip
over
for
a
minute,
because
I'm
going
to
talk
about
that
here,
next
construction
staging.
We
continue
to
further
refine
our
construction.
Staging
and
I'll
go
through
our
concept
planned
here
a
little
bit
and
then
cost
participation
as
well
I'll,
be
talking
about
here
in
a
minute
or
so
as
well.
E
So
let
me
start
with
community
outreach
just
a
little
bit
more.
We've.
We've
done
some
website
updates
to
focus
more
on
the
first
construction
project.
We've
had
a
pop-up
event
back
in
september
at
penn
fest,
which
was
pretty
well
attended.
We
had
mostly
positive
comments.
We
had
a
lot
of
people
stop
by
the
booth
and
had
a
very
good
outcome
at
that.
E
We
did
have
our
municipal
consent,
open
house
in
bloomington
on
october,
19th
and
amy
and
andrew
were
present
for
that
one,
and
then
we
did
have
a
normandale
office,
complex
open
house
or
our
event
with
commuter
services
on
october
27th,
and
unfortunately,
nobody
showed
up
to
that
one.
So
we
did
not
get
very
good
turnouts,
but
we're
hoping
to
have
another
one
soon
as
more
people
kind
of
come
back
to
the
office
and
get
interested
in.
E
494.
all
right
in
terms
of
traffic
impacts.
I
wanted
to
show
you,
I
know,
there's
a
lot
going
on
here,
but
I
wanted
to
show
you
what
the
box
volume
changes,
kind
of
look
like,
starting
with
our
existing
volumes
and
moving
to
the
completion
of
the
first
construction
project,
which
is
anticipated
to
be
in
2026
and
then
moving
towards
the
full
vision
volumes
that
are
forecasted
in
2040..
E
E
So
if
you
look
at
the
box
centered
from
82nd
street
to
77th
street
on
the
north
and
penn
avenue
on
the
west
and
lindale
on
the
east,
we
are
expecting
some
traffic
volume
increases,
especially
at
the
kind
of
northeast
and
southwest
corners
and
those
varied.
Those
traffic
volumes
vary
depending
on
if
you're
looking
at
the
construction
end
date
of
the
first
project
or
if
you're
out
into
2040.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
All
right,
I'm
going
to
switch
gears
to
noise.
We
do
have
a
noise
process
for
adding
noise
walls
along
projects.
This
really
just
talks
through
what
that
process
is.
First,
we
get
field
measurements.
Then
we
do
noise
level
modeling
for
the
build
and
future
conditions
and
no
build
and
future
conditions.
E
So
the
preliminary
noise
wall
locations
and
these
noise
wall
locations
have
been
deemed
feasible,
I'll
just
run
through
them
really
quickly.
So,
right
here
on,
the
left
is
the
south
side
of
494
between
east
bush
lake
road
and
highway
100
there's
potential
for
a
noise
wall
there,
and
that
was
noise
wall
is
feasible
at
20
feet
in
height,
there's
another
potential
noise
wall
that
is
feasible
on
the
north
side
of
494,
between
xerxes
and
penn
avenue,
and
that
is
again
feasible
at
20
feet
in
height.
E
E
All
right,
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
construction
staging
so
right
now
I
do
want
to
give
disclaimer.
This
is
our
concept
staging
plan.
It
is
a
design
build
project,
so
this
is
mndot's
version
of
what
a
construction
staging
could
look
like.
There
are
some
areas
in
here
that
we
have
committed
to
doing
in
a
specific
order,
and
I
will
talk
about
those
as
we
go
through
them.
E
The
other
thing
is
too,
since
this
is
design
build.
This
is
not
the
only
way
to
stage
this.
The
contractor
will
have
the
autonomy
to
stage
it.
However,
they
deem
appropriate
based
on
within
the
requirements
that
we
have
in
the
contract.
So
there
very
well
could
be
some
changes
to
our
staging
plan
that
I'm
presenting
here
as
well
as
we
do
continue
to
modify
and
refine
and
and
improve
on
the
staging
plan
that
you're
going
to
see
here
as
well,
so
starting
in
2023.
E
E
E
In
2026,
we're
going
to
be
constructing
the
westbound
494
widening
and
completing
any
remaining
roadway.
On
that
westbound
side,
we're
going
to
be
constructing
the
494
westbound
half
of
the
35w
bridge,
so
494
over
35w
here
and
the
westbound
half
of
the
turbine
bridge
that
goes
under
494
that
directional
ramp,
that
bypass
will
be
utilized
as
necessary
and
will
be.
Traffic
will
be
actually
switched
to
eastbound
for
a
time
there
once
the
new
portion
is
done.
E
Here
now
we're
taking
a
look
to
see
if
this
needs
to
move
up
to
2025
construction,
which
is
likely
going
to
be
part
of
the
case
or
at
least
started
in
25
instead
of
starting
26
and
then
finally,
we're
going
to
round
out
the
construction
of
the
nikola
avenue
and
12th
avenue,
bridges
and
roadways
in
the
end
of
2026,
and
so
our
completion
anticipated
to
be
october
of
2026.
For
all
this
work.
E
So
I'm
moving
to
cost
participation,
we've
provided
a
cost
estimate
to
city
staff
and
that
cost
estimate
is
our
best
kind
of
a
ballpark
number,
our
best
estimate
as
of
september.
We
continue
to
refine
this
and
work
with
city
staff
on
this,
but
you
can
see
here
that
right
now
we're
in
the
million-dollar
area
range
for
cost
share
for
the
city
of
bloomington
bridge
reconstruction
is
about
200,
000,
sidewalks
and
trails
is
about,
165
thousand
lighting
is
175,
000
signal
replacement
is
roughly
230
000
and
then
contingency
in
engineering
is
another
230
000.
I'm.
E
I
must
point
out
that
a
lot
of
the
cost
for
bloomington
was
actually
reduced
with
the
award
of
the
infra
grant.
So
we're
really
excited
that
we
got
that
and
we're
able
to
reduce
the
cost
participation
share
from
for
bloomington
some
items
that
we
are
still
exploring
are
local
drainage,
utility
relocations.
E
So
our
first
project
costs
are
broken
out.
As
you
see
there,
we
have
a
construction
budget,
a
design
bill,
construction,
budget
of
320
million
for
this
first
project,
and
then
we
have
a
dollar
set
aside
for
utility
relocations,
anticipated
change,
orders
during
construction
design,
which
we
are
at
right
now
and
have
spent
some
money
on
already
and
then
right
away
acquisition
as
well,
and
those
funding
sources
that
we're
utilizing
to
fund
this
project
include
quarters
of
commerce,
bonds.
E
E
The
noise,
while
voting,
will
be
coming
in
the
next
month
or
two
as
well
and,
like
I
said,
the
local
aesthetic
recommendations.
We've
got
a
lot
of
outreach
plans
to
get
feedback
from
community
members
in
the
vqac.
In
order
to
do
that,
and,
like
I
said,
construction
is
planned
to
begin
in
late
summer
of
2023..
E
Just
for
your
information,
I've
provided
some
websites
available
to
you
that
you
can
take
a
look
at
we've
got
the
mndot
website
that
talks
about
the
project
itself,
and
then
we
also
have
an
online
open
house
website.
That
goes
into
a
lot
more
detail
about
decisions
made
to
date
and
what's
coming
up
with
this
first
project,
so
I'd
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
F
F
D
I'll
take
a
stab
first
at
that
question,
so
we've
been
working
very
closely
with
mndot
for
the
full
three
years
so
far
on
coordination
with
the
project
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
the
bloomington
needs
are
met
at
the
local
level
as
well.
As
you
know,
hennepin
county
and
richfield
and
everybody's
been
participating
in
those
discussions.
D
So
almost
all
of
this
falls
within
that
mndot
is
probably
paying
more
than
they
normally
would,
because
a
lot
of
the
elements
that
would
have
typically
had
some
local
cost
share
were
included
in
the
layout
with
the
infra
grant
application,
so
that
was
like
60
million
dollars
worth
of
the
work
right
there
and
a
big
big
portion
of
that
is
being
covered
with
no
local
cost
share.
So
there's
a
bunch
of
elements
there.
D
D
So,
while
it's
important
to
know
the
information
about
how
much
the
estimates
are
at
this
time,
it
is
not
necessarily
the
approval
and
the
formal
agreement
process
for
that
municipal
consent
is
more
related
to
the
layout
the
project
layout
itself,
in
regards
to
the
fact
that
there
needs
to
be
right-of-way
acquisition
and
that
it
is
expanding
capacity
of
the
freeway.
So
those
are
the
two
reasons
why
mndot
as
an
agency
seeks
municipal
consent
from
a
city
for
a
project.
I
hope
that
addressed
your.
F
Questions
it
does,
I'm
sure
government
at
that
level
does
not
just
go
into
things
without
ever
consulting
the
beginning
of
the
stages
with
the
local
government,
but
for
folks
at
home.
If
I
was
watching
this
at
home-
and
I
didn't
know
what
the
process
was
like
and
if
I
am-
and
I
do
live
by
the
exit
of
12th
avenue
in
american
boulevard
area
when
you
get
off
on
494.
C
F
D
Abdi
I
can
address
that
as
well,
so
you're
correct,
so
the
freeway
ramps
go
away.
The
bridges
themselves
will
be
reconstructed
with
no
access
to
the
freeway
at
nicolette
or
12th
avenue,
but
the
bridges
will
be
reconstructed,
there's
a
lot
of
improvements
to
the
bicycle
and
pedestrian
amenities
with
those
bridge
reconstructions.
D
D
F
D
E
Yep
thanks
amy
yeah.
We
will
not
be
building
the
bridges
at
portland,
nicolette
and
12th
all.
At
the
same
time.
We
will
be
building
them
in
phases.
We
do
recognize
that
we
need
to
keep
access
open
to
494
and
we
don't
want
to
shut
off
the
the
city
from
that
access.
So
what
we're
planning
to
do
is
portland
will
be
constructed
first
in
the
2025
time
frame
that
will
be
completely
constructed
and
before
we
do
anything
at
nicolette
in
portland
and
then
once
excuse
me
nicolette
and
12th,
and
then
once
portland
is
constructed
and
done.
F
F
D
Commissioner
abdi,
so
it
yeah
there
was
an
actual
like
call
out
to
the
graphic.
So
that
means
that
the
frontage
road
itself
is
reconstructed
in
that
area
and
so
sometimes
they're
having
to
shift
a
little
bit
or
get
a
little
bit
narrower
to
make
room
for
the
extended
ramps
and
widening
that
will
be
happening
on
the
mainline
494.
D
But
it
was
just
to
address
specific
locations
where
the
frontage
roads
will
be
reconstructed
or
will
go
away
or
will
be
modified
in
somewhere
in
some
way,
and
so
the
frontage
roads
can
could
be
there.
They
are
the
road
network
that
runs
directly
parallel
to
494,
typically
within
the
mndot
right
of
way.
C
I'll
take
a
opportunity
to
build
on
a
couple
of
the
things
that
commissioner
abby
led
into,
and
so,
while
we're
on
this
slide,
this
is
actually
one
of
the
notes
I
had.
This
is
probably
more
of
a
question
for
mndot
staff.
You
know
we
the
deck
in
a
number
of
places,
identified
areas
where
additional
right-of-way
is
needed
in
this
situation
at
niklet.
What
are
the
pink
shaded
areas
that
are
in
the
current
on
and
off
ramps?
What
does
that
represent?.
E
C
C
That's
that's
why
I
was
unconscious.
My
thought
was
essentially
we
have
areas
where
we
need
right-of-way.
Are
there
areas
where
we
should
be
returning
right-of-way,
and
in
this
case
that
explains
it,
because
it's
again
it
wasn't
blue.
So
I
thought
well.
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
return
that?
Thank
you
for
that.
My
other
question
is,
and
this
may
be
for
city
staff,
but
the
last
time
the
project
update
was
in
front
of
this
body.
C
Some
of
us
had
about
the
you
know
the
increase
of
traffic
at
penn,
82nd
and
the
design
and
how
that
was
fitting
in
with
the
city's
vision
for
that
area,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
can
give
us
an
update
on
status
of
conversations
you've
had
if
you've
had
them
and
what
kind
of
improvements
at
least
preliminarily.
You
are
thinking
in
those
areas
to
respond
to
some
of
the
feedback
we
had
given
earlier.
D
E
D
This
is
portland
okay,
so
this
is
well.
This
is
the
basically
from
494
down
to
american,
and
so
what
is
being
proposed
in
this
area
is
a
cycle
track
and
sidewalk,
so
there
they
will
be
on
both
sides
of
portland
avenue.
So
I
think
that
handles
kind
of
the
north
south
and
then
there's
a
trail
connection
down
to
the
existing
on-road
facilities
south
of
american
boulevard.
So
a
lot
of
work
was
done
to
make
sure
that
that
connection
goes
all
the
way
down
to
the
south
to
connect
to
our
existing
facilities.
D
You
know
we
are
not
denying
that
there's
going
to
be
an
increase
in
traffic
in
this
area,
and
so
looking
at
the
crossings
of
portland
avenue
was
an
important
thing
as
well.
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
modeling
done
to
take
a
look
at
what
will
be
the
impacts
if
we
were
to
operate
the
traffic
signals
in
some
different
kinds
of
ways
there.
So
I'm
looking
at
using
a
leading
pedestrian
interval-
and
that
is
essentially
once
there's
a
call
for
a
pedestrian
call.
D
It
gives
them
three
to
five
seconds
of
just
pedestrian
activity
before
the
vehicles
start.
Moving.
Helps
establish
yourself
in
the
in
the
crosswalk,
and
it's
not
the
kind
of
the
race
to
get
out
in
front
of
a
pedestrian
we're
also
looking
at
the
potential
of
adding
blank
out
signs.
So
it
would
actually
restrict
the
right
hand
turn
during
that
ped
call
when
the
pet
is
making
a
a
parallel
move
at
that
location.
C
In
the,
if
I
can
in
the
in
the
portland
area,
I
know
we,
we
discussed
about
the
potential
for
more
separation
from
traffic
and
excuse
me
and
bikes
pedestrians
and
at
the
time
the
original
draft
did
envision
the
cycle
track,
but
they
were.
There
was
not
really
a
separation,
and
you
know
in
this
area.
I
think
the
numbers
that
we
saw
were
almost
a
tripling
of
traffic,
which
again
is
to
be
expected,
and
I
think
nobody
is
denying
that
that's
a
part
of
the
project.
C
It's
again
we're
thinking
about
what
are
we
doing
to
improve,
especially
this
isn't
quite
as
intense
of
a
focus
as
pen
in
america,
but
we
did
just
have
the
the
cnu
project
that
gives
us
at
least
the
seeds
of
the
future,
and
as
we
know,
these
are
50-year
decisions,
and
so
just
so
that
we're
not
conflicting
so
any
any
further
thoughts
on
how
much
we
might
separate
those
from
the
traffic
or
is
that
kind
of
static,
especially
at
the
bridge.
I
remember
that
was
really
tight.
D
D
C
D
Yeah,
I
don't
amy,
that's
okay.
So,
while
while
it
is
very
very
tight
through
this
area,
there
is
going
to
be
some
separation
from
the
actual
roadway
for
the
to
the
edge
of
the
cyclist.
So
we
we
require
a
minimum
of.
I
believe
it
was
five
or
six
feet
for
snow
storage,
so
that
itself
acts
as
a
buffer
between
the
bike
pad
activity
and
the
vehicle.
D
There
are
just
some
sidewalk
reconstruction,
that's
happening
through
the
single
point
interchange.
I
know
that
pedestrian
activity
through
signal
point
interchanges
is
always
difficult,
and
so
we've
also
heard
some
discussions
that
there
are
some
new
treatments
or
ways
to
improve
the
pedestrian
experience
through
those.
So
we
just
have
started
those
discussions
and
we'll
be
looking
to
see
if
that
seems
like
an
appropriate
thing
to
add
with
this
project
or
if
it
could
be.
Some
future
edition
was
curious
for
any
conversation.
D
C
That's
you
know
where
the
water
storages
and
it
just
becomes
a
little
bit
of
a
race
track
as
it
is,
and
so,
as
we
think
about
it,
is
on
the
south
end
of
the
area
we're
thinking
about.
But
you
know
so
I
don't
have
anything
specifically
but
myself,
but
I
think
it's
again.
How
do
we,
whether
we're
creating
more
separation
or
we
are
because
there
is
going
to
be
more
traffic?
What
are
we
doing
to
either
calm?
The
traffic
because,
well
you
know,
certainly
people
want
to
get
to
the
freeway
sooner.
C
G
Thanks,
mr
chair
from,
I
guess,
the
the
thing
that
I
think
about
with
these
roads,
especially
penn
lindale.
You
know
we,
these
are
collector
roads
that
are
very
busy,
but
there's
also
residents
that
live
on
that
street.
All
of
these
streets,
so
they're
a
little
bit
unique
in
that
we
treat
them
like
collector
roads,
but
they
are
people's
front.
G
You
know
roads
and-
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
how
that
traffic
is
going
down,
especially
for
people
that
are
using
the
sidewalks
or
even
on
bikes,
on
the
roads
as
well.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
answers
your
question,
but
I
just
think
about.
If
I
lived
on
that
road
and
the
traffic
is
that
busy
I'd
be
I'd,
be
nervous.
H
H
I
can
imagine
that
folks
might
be
driving
quite
fast
from
nicolette
to
portland
to
actually
get
on
494,
and
the
closest
thing
that
I
can
think
of
is
I'm
sure.
Mndot
is
very
familiar
with
the
35w
reconstruction
and
sort
of
that
that
area
between
35th
and
46th
going
south
when
that
whole
area
was
being
reconstructed,
vehicles
along
that
frontage
road
were
going
very
fast
and
those
are
residential
streets,
there's
streets
where
people
are
walking
and
have
kids
and
dogs
and
all
kinds
of
stuff.
H
D
I
honestly
have
less
concerns
about
fast-moving
vehicles
on
american
boulevard
than
congestion,
because
we
know
that
there
will
be
traffic.
You
know
there's
going
to
be
requirements
on
the
number
of
lanes
that
are
required
to
be
maintained
on
494,
but
american
boulevard
is
a
really
good
parallel
route.
A
lot
of
people
already
know
that,
and
even
more
will
be
using
it.
So
I
think
that
congestion,
and
that
operating
near
capacity
is
probably
much
more
likely
scenario
than
an
increase
in
speeding.
D
However,
that
being
said,
once
american
boulevard
fills
up
and
we're
trying
to
anticipate,
where
is
the
next
bat
that
traffic's
going
to
move
to?
And
while
we
you
know,
we
can
do
some
productive
models
and
try
to
figure
out
and
predict
where
that's
going
to
be,
and
that
is
all
kind
of
underway
and
looking
at
any
proactive
measures
that
can
be
taken.
Another
thing
that
we're
starting
to
consider
is
developing.
D
H
Thank
you
I
to
follow
up
on
that.
I
was
not
quite
thinking
kind
of
on
the
temporary
basis,
though
that
was
great
information,
I'm
thinking
on
a
permanent
basis.
People
have
habitually
now
gotten
on
and
off
494
at
nicolette
and
12th,
and
I
can
imagine
folks,
you
know,
leaving
the
menards
parking
lot
not
getting
able
to
get
on
and
then
moving
very
quickly
along
the
frontage
road
to
get
to
portland
so
that
they
can
actually
get
on
the
freeway
and
long
term.
H
I
think
it
will
eventually
slow
and
people
will
get
a
sense
of
it,
but
I
do
know
I'm
even
thinking
along
the
94
corridor.
I'm
thinking
like
right
in
front
of-
and
I
don't
know
it's
a
frontage
road
in
front
of
target
like
right
around
snelling
or
maybe
it's
lexington
people
move
very
quickly
along
that
frontage
road
there
in
order
to
get
on
the
freeway,
I'm
just
thinking
that
that
might
need
to
be
mitigated
earlier
than
later.
D
Commissioner,
albrecht,
that
you
know
that's
a
good
point:
it's
not
something
that
we're
looking
to
do
any
kind
of
proactive
traffic
calming
especially
on
american
boulevard,
which
you
know
it's
one
of
our
arterial
roadways
designed
to
to
carry
the
traffic.
But
it
is
something
that
we'll
you
know
we'll
keep
an
eye
on
and
monitor.
D
I
think
the
conditions
of
it
are
probably
a
little
different
than
the
frontage
roads
you're,
using
as
an
example,
although
there
still
are
some
frontal
drills
in
this
area,
and
so
we
will
we'll
have
to
keep
an
eye
on
it,
but
not
planning
at
this
point
to
have
any
built-in
mitigation
measures
to
address
speeds.
Until
you
know,
we
would
be
more
reactionary
to
speeding
on
those
roadways
after
the
project
has
settled.
B
B
B
E
E
E
So
that's
one
thing
that
is
different.
The
other
thing
that
is
different
is
currently
today:
traffic
coming
off
of
penn
avenue
and
heading
eastbound
on
494
and
traffic
heading
eastbound,
on
44
at
494
and
wanting
to
go
southbound.
They
have
to
merge,
and
so
that
merge
is
going
to
be
taken
away
with
this
great
separation,
we're
proposing
a
bridge
here
that
will
eliminate
that
merging
condition
and
will
reduce
congestion
because
of
that
and
really
improve
safety
as
well.
Hopefully
that
answered
your
question.
C
B
B
there's
the
hope
that
we
have
a
world
fair
here
in
2027
as
we're
used
to
road
construction
happening
and
hopefully
ending
on
time.
We
know
it
may
not.
Is
that
something
the
city
is
in
discussions
with
mndot
about
and
making
very
clear
to
them
that
we
want
projects
done
if
that
expo
does
indeed
come
to
bloomington.
D
B
All
right,
thank
you
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
councilmember
beloga,
but
I
believe
his
term
is
ending
in
a
few
months
here,
and
so
I
hope
that
somebody
is
carrying
the
torch
after
him
to
make
clear
that
we
want
the
project,
as
we
say
in
my
office,
done
done
by
the
time
that
fair
starts.
So
thank
you.
C
I
think,
commissioner
quicktime
you
also
those
of
those
of
you
who
will
be
here
longer
than
others
of
us.
That
would
also
be
something
to
think
about
when
project
two
comes
as
as
you
review
again,
I'm
not
sure
when,
but
when
project
two
comes
and
the
timing
of
when
that
begins
may
be
a
factor
as
well,
although
by
then
we
will
clearly
know
if
we
are
the
world's
most
amazing
world,
fair
ever.
B
E
Yeah
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
that
question
at
this
time.
We
are
anticipating
that
project.
Two,
the
earliest
it
could
start,
would
be
after
construction
of
project.
One
is
completed.
We
don't
have
any
funding
available
for
project
two.
Just
yet,
but
mndot
has
started
the
design
process
for
project
two,
anticipating
potential
funding
coming.
G
Thanks,
mr
chair
just
one
question
just
for
clarification,
because
I
was
always
told
not
to
assume
the
city
of
bloomington
is
on
the
hook
for
about
a
million
dollars
of
this
overall
project.
Does
the
city
of
richfield
also
have
a
stake
in
this
and
is
equivalent
to
what
bloomington
is
paying
or
how
does
that
work
with
this
sharing
borders
with
two
cities.
D
Commissioner
goldsmith,
the
short
answer
is
yes:
city
richfield
also
has
all
their
similar
cost
share
agreements,
there's
a
lot
of
different
intersections
and
things
in
the
bloom
and
the
richfield
side.
I
believe
that
currently
in
amber,
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I
think
their
cost
estimate
or
cost
share
is
a
little
bit
higher
than
I
at
this
point,
but
really
they're
they're
very
close,
very
similar.
H
Portland
so
commissioner
goldsman
made
me
think
of
this:
there's
a
there's
pretty
extensive
trail,
sidewalk
pedestrian
protection
on
the
north
side
of
494
going
into
richfield,
and
it
sounds
like
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
a
cycle
track
is
proposed
going
south.
Is
that
going
to
mimic
what's
happening
on
the
north
side?
Or
is
that
going
to
put
cyclists
then
into
the
roadway
and
into
like
a
shoulder.
D
It
will
connect
to
our
existing
facility
on
hennepin
county's
portland
avenue
in
bloomington
and
through
bloomington,
that
is
an
on-road
facility
or
on-road
bike
lanes
with
off-road
sidewalk.
So
it
is
not.
We
are
not
proposing
at
this
time
to
reconstruct
portland
avenue
and
make
those
changes.
However,
there
is
an
approved
long-term
plan
by
long
term.
I
mean
very
long
term,
but
there
is
a
a
plan
for
future.
You
know
what
the
future
cross-section
of
portland
avenue
would
look
like
thanks.
C
D
D
C
C
I
Okay,
just
didn't
want
to
have
everyone
expect
to
expect
a
powerpoint
presentation,
as
you
set
it
up.
We
are.
We
have
received
a
letter
of
recommendation
from
the
mayor
to
consider
renaming
28th
avenue
between
american
boulevard
to
the
north
and
old
shakopee
road
to
the
south.
This
segment
to
winstead
way
in
order
to
honor
former
mayor
jean
wensted's
30
years
of
service
to
bloomington
staff,
has
reviewed
this
and
discussed
it
with
fire
life
safety,
and
we
do
not
see
a
reason
why
we
would
not
move
forward
with
it.
We
have
notified
the
adjacent
property
owners.
I
Three
of
them
have
addresses
the
cambria
suites
up
here
the
met
transit
park
and
ride
this
the
28th
avenue
park
and
ride.
It's
not
actually
addressed
office,
28th
avenue
but,
like
I
said,
it's
called
the
28th
avenue
park
and
ride,
so
we've
reached
out
to
met
transit,
and
then
this
parcel
over
here
owned
by
the
mall
of
america.
I
So
far,
we
have
not
received
any
comments
from
any
of
these
agencies.
Indicating
support
or
dissent
regarding
the
renaming
of
the
road
transit
has
indicated
that
they
are
having
internal
discussions
regarding
the
naming
of
the
transit
station
and
considering
alternatives,
but
they
haven't
reached
out
with
a
formal
recommendation
to
us
at
this
point.
So
I
don't
have
really
good
feedback
from
you
except
to
say
that
their
pr
person
did
say
he
supported
it.
But
I
don't
know
if
that's
their
the
whole
agency
or
just
one
staff
person's
opinion.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
yeah.
I
think
that
was
the
probably.
The
only
question
I
had
is
how
lindell
lane
and
killer
bird
drive,
because
again
they
were
not
they're,
not
consistent
with
the
current
naming
convention
and
you've
explained
that
now
so
commission
members
any
questions
for
miss
long.
Commissioner
cookton.
I
We
were
looking
at
various
streets
in
the
south
loop
district
under
consideration.
This
had
the
least
number
of
property
owners
that
would
be
affected
by
a
name
change,
so
we
know
that
that
has
an
added
expense
to
a
business.
You
know
you
have
to
change
your
letterhead
and
directions
to
get
there,
so
it
had
the
least
number,
and
so
that
is
how
we
picked
it.
B
Commissioner
cook
I
reached
out
to
city
staff
on
this
already,
but
thought
I'd
ask
for
public
benefit.
How
do
we
coordinate
this
with
the
googles
of
the
world
to
get
streets
named?
Most
people
are
getting
directions
on
their
phone
or
other
means
now,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
being
mindful
of
that
and
on
top
of
this.
I
I
They
make
it
official.
So
if
we
were
to
move
forward
with
it,
they
would
we
would
notify
the
county.
They
would
make
it
official.
The
one
thing
that
the
city
does
do
is
we
geocode
our
center
lane
data
and
share
it
with
hennepin,
county
and
other
things
like
nextgen911,
so
that
people
know
how
to
reach
the
road?
It's
important
that
our
911
system
have
the
most
accurate
names.
I
If
we
were
to
have
an
issue
with
google,
which
we
haven't
knock
on
wood
in
about
a
decade,
there
are
mechanisms
where
we
can
reach
out
to
them
to
ask
for
a
rename.
We
haven't
seen
that
issue
in
some
of
the
other
renamings
we've
done
like
when
we,
when
we
renamed
lee
road
and
marth
road
over
on
the
west
side
of
the
city.
We
didn't
see
an
issue
with
that
when
we
renamed
oh
bless
on
sans
pierre,
the
lindell
bluffs
drive.
I
We
haven't
seen
an
issue
with
that
renaming,
so
we
don't
expect
one,
but
we
do
have
a
way
to
reach
out
to
them
and
we
also
have
a
contact.
The
volunteer
for
like
waze
in
the
metro
area.
We
have
that
contact
as
well.
So
we
don't
anticipate
that
being
an
issue,
but
we
do
have
mechanisms
if
it
should
be
very
well.
F
Thank
you
chair,
since
you
have
not
heard
from
the
potential
impacted
property
owners
and
we're
moving
away
with
a
potential
recommendation
at
the
planning
commission.
Would
there
be
an
adverse
impact?
Should
they,
I
know,
there's
a
limited
property
number.
Is
that
do
we
care
if
they
say
we
would
like
to
keep
28th
avenue
or
not.
I
G
I
G
And
as
a
follow-up,
I
know
this
would
not
be
a
cost
to
the
city,
but
thinking
about
metro
transit,
their
signage,
but
then
also
the
signage
in
each
of
the
light.
Rail
cars
would
also
need
to
be
updated,
and
so
that's
something
do
we
know
what
that
estimated
cost
would
be.
I
know
it's
a
short
road,
but
the
impacts
could
be.
A
It
is
a
process,
certainly
working
with
the
postal
service
and
and
going
through
that
process,
and
I
will
tell
you,
commissioner,
cook
done-
I
think,
there's
magic
in
the
air,
because
google
and
waze
renames
those
things
before
all
the
paperwork
seems
like
it's
even
done
and
I'm
not
sure
how
it
happens.
But
it
does
so,
but
I
think
there's
some
legitimate
concerns.
As
usual.
Is
the
the.
A
Land
uses
that
are
surrounded
that
use
that
address
do
incur
an
expense
for
the
change.
However,
I
I
would
imagine
much
like
many
other
things.
Those
things
go
through
time
and
you
know
you
live
their
useful
life
stationary
that
sort
of
thing
and
so
continue
to
I
in
my
mind
I
would
continue
to
ask
staff
to
move
forward
and
have
those
discussions,
but
before
we
continue
with
any
further
discussion,
is
there
any
other
questions
on
this?
Otherwise
I'll
open
the
public
hearing?
At
this
point.
A
J
During
that
time,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
work
very
closely
with
mayor
winstead
on
several
different
projects,
things
that
were
very
important
to
the
business
community
as
well
as
the
residents
of
the
city
of
bloomington
mayor
mayor
winstead
has
a
just
a
long-standing
public
service
to
the
city
of
bloomington
35
years.
He
has
served
20
years
as
mayor
of
the
city.
J
J
I
recall
attending
various
banquets
for
the
bloomington
athletic
association,
where
mayor
winstead
would
be
there
to
help
support.
He
also
supported
the
bloomington
foundation
as
well,
and
just
always
was
there
to
stand
up
and
stood
up
to
help
and
support
the
community
members
of
the
city
of
bloomington.
So
I'm
here
to
speak
on
behalf
to
support
the
change
of
28th
avenue
south
to
winstead
way,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Any
of
you
may
have.
A
A
A
C
C
We
have
avenue,
we
have
road,
we
have
and
we
have
a
number
of
things,
but
yet
we
have
this
prescriptive
thing
on
the
east
of
niklet,
which
I'm
sure
at
one
time
when
it
things
connected
more
directly
to
streets
that
originated
in
minneapolis,
but
that
has
not
been
the
case
for
a
long
time
since
494
has
cut
across
there.
So
I
I
can
support
this.
I
you
know,
tongue-in-cheek.
Perhaps
we
should
given
that
we
have
linda
lane
now
winstead
way.
Maybe
our
code
should
allow
for
roads
named
after
mayors
to
be
in
alliteration.
A
B
Thanks
mr
chair,
I'm
also
in
support
of
this.
I
didn't
interact
with
mayor
winston
very
much,
but
I
did
get
the
opportunity
to
interact
with
him
as
part
of
the
bloomington
leadership
program
that
I
participated
in
and
I
participated
in
that
right
as
he
was
leaving
office.
But
he
was
still
very
gracious
and
and
spent
his
personal
time
with
us
later
in
the
evening
that
he
didn't
have
to
do.
And
I
certainly
saw
that
as
a
great
sign
of
respect
to
his
residents.
B
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
am
also
in
support
of
this.
I
have
had
many
interactions
with
mayor
winstead
over
the
years
and
in
fact
he
encouraged
me
to
apply
for
the
planning
commission,
so
I
I
was
happy
to
get
his
guidance
in
that,
particularly
around
the
learning
that
I
would
have
as
part
of
this
commission,
which
it
has.
H
I
have
definitely
learned
a
lot
which
is
great
and
feel
like.
I
am
contributing
to
the
city,
which
I
think
is
the
way
in
which
mayor
winstead
kind
of
viewed
his
role
as
mayor,
and
I
think,
planning
commission
member
back
in
the
day
is
really
giving
back
to
the
city
in
all
of
the
ways
that
he
did.
So
I'm
I'm
in
full
support.
Thank
you.
A
G
However,
I
do
think
before
this
goes
to
council
it'd
be
good
to
know
what
the
cost
would
be
for
metro
transit
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
putting
any
undue
burden
on
on
them,
but
otherwise
that
I
think
it
seems
reasonable
and
it's
the
least
that
we
can
do
for
for
someone
that
you
know
really
dedicated
their
life
to
the
city.
So
that's.
A
Great,
thank
you,
commissioner
goltzman
all
right.
Commission
members.
I
think
yes,
a
lot
of
very
good
things
that
the
that
our
previous
mayor
did
for
the
city,
dedicating
his
time,
efforts
that
have
improved
the
city
and
especially
as
we
think
about
his
time
frame
in
office
and
the
south
loop
and
where
that's
going
and
the
success
that
we
really
see
coming
from
that
and
into
the
future.
So
again,
I
can
support
this
and
with
that,
if
there's
no
other
comments,
I
would
entertain
emotion.
A
C
B
A
All
right,
commissioner
corman
with
a
second
all
right:
commission
members,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
in
front
of
us,
to
recommend
that
the
city
council
will
prove
an
amendment
to
chapter
17
of
the
bloomington
city
code
to
incorporate
the
street
name.
Change
at
28th
avenue
south
in
winstead
way.
B
A
I
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Commissioner
commissioners,
we
heard
a
recommendation
from
you
earlier.
This
fall
that
you
would
like
to
be
more
involved
with
some
of
our
projects
earlier
on.
So
this
is
our
first
attempt.
I
will
be
honest
with
you.
It
is
a
little
out
of
sequence,
but
we'll
do
better
next
year
in
2022..
I
Our
pavement
management
program
in
bloomington
was
established
in
1991,
and
it
was
done
because,
prior
to
that,
we
used
a
petition
method
and
that
was
leading
to
system
failure.
Our
goal
with
the
program
is
to
provide
the
right
action
at
the
right
time.
It's
so
that
it
reduces
the
cost
for
street
repair.
I
A
couple
things
that
we
use
for
the
program
is
we
grade
all
of
the
streets
on
our
what
we
call
our
pavement
condition
index
our
pci.
So
it's
a
score
from
zero
to
a
hundred
with
a
hundred
being
a
brand
new
street
in
zero.
Looking
something
more
like
gravel,
we
use
that
number
to
help
us
forecast
out
into
the
future
so
that
we
have
our
goals
and
capital
spending
appropriately.
I
Our
reconstruct
projects
are
assessed
to
the
adjacent
property
owners
and
they're
assessed
at
25
percent
for
the
single
and
two
family
homes
and
50
percent
for
all
other
property
types.
The
other
project
types
like
our
overlay
or
our
sealcoat
in
our
projects
are
not
assessed
and
they're
covered
by
tax
dollars
or
other
funding
mechanisms.
I
So,
with
our
pavement
management
program,
we
have
a
couple
different
construction
techniques.
The
reconstruction
is
the
most
impactful
to
a
neighborhood.
That's
where
we
remove
and
replace
all
of
the
pavement
down
to
the
sub
base.
We
install
new,
curb
and
gutter
if
we,
if
there
isn't
curb
and
gutter
there
now.
I
am
pleased
to
tell
you
that
we've
made
significant
progress
installing
curb
and
gutter
across
town.
I
I
We
also
you'll
probably
have
seen
this
because
we
do
about
30
miles
of
it.
Every
summer
seal
coat
our
roads,
we
apply
a
bituminous
adhesive,
we
put
the
rocks
on
top
of
it,
you
notice
the
street
sweepers
come
by
and
sweep
up
the
excess.
That's
done
by
our
city,
maintenance
forces
and
then
because
the
pavement
management
program
has
worked
so
well
with
our
roads.
I
So
this
is
kind
of
our
normal
pavement
life
cycle,
so
the
graph
on
the
left
shows
a
normal
road.
If
we
built
it
and
then
didn't
do
anything
to
it.
So
in
about
20
years,
depending
on
the
underlying
soil
types,
that
road
would
go
to
failure,
the
graph
on
the
right
shows
what
we
happens
if
we
do
the
right
maintenance
at
the
right
time.
I
So
if
we
invest
money
in
our
sealcoats
and
our
overlays,
we're
looking
to
extend
the
life
of
that
road
out
to
about
60
70
years,
depending
on
what
side
of
town
and
what
kind
of
soils
you
have,
the
analogy
I
always
like
to
use
is
a
car.
If
I
buy
a
brand
new
car
off
the
lot
and
I'm
going
to
just
fuel
it,
either
I'm
going
to
charge
it
electrically
or
I'm
going
to
put
gasoline
in
it,
but
I'm
not
going
to
do
any
other
maintenance.
I
My
car
is
going
to
deteriorate
and
fail
much
sooner
than
if
I
took
it
in
for
the
oil
changes,
and
I
got
the
battery
upgraded
and
I
did
the
brake
jobs
and
the
fluid
changes.
So
then
I
can
extend
extend
the
life
of
my
car,
the
road's.
Basically
the
same
thing:
if
you
do
the
right
maintenance
at
the
right
time,
you
get
more
value
out
of
it
from
for
your
investment
and
that's
what
we
want
to
do
with
our
taxpayer
dollars.
I
In
2002,
ttac
and
city
council
adopted
several
different
street
policies
and
they're
listed
here.
Basically
they've
said:
if
we're
going
to
invest
taxpayer
dollars
in
the
reconstruction
of
roads,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
curb
and
gutter
installed
with
those
roads.
The
b618
is
just
fancy
engineer
speak
for
it's
a
barrier
type
curb
it's
six
inches
tall
and
it
has
an
18
inch
gutter.
I
Similarly,
if
it's
31
feet
or
greater,
the
policy
says
to
reconstruct
it
to
32
feet
prior
to
2002.
The
city
standard
was
a
36
foot
wide
street.
There
are
some
exceptions,
so
you'll
notice
when
I
get
to
the
parking
you're
like,
but
you
said,
you're
only
going
to
build
28
feet.
There
are
some
ups
exceptions
that
we
can
go
to
council
and
ask
for
a
recommendation
for
our
narrower
street,
but
it
has
some
guidelines
to
go
with
it.
I
One
of
the
other
policies
is
that
streets
with
existing
curb
and
gutter
are
reconstructed
to
the
current
with.
Basically,
that's
saying
we're
not
going
to
take
out
the
existing
curb
before
the
end
of
its
life
and
we're
going
to
put
it
back
at
leaving
the
existing
curb
in
place,
and
then
there
is
some
regarding
policies
regarding
parking
on
streets.
So
if
the
street
is
less
than
24
feet,
we
do
not
allow
parking
on
either
side
and
that's
more
of
a
function
of
safety
and
how
to
get
vehicles
through.
I
I
Are
there
any
plans,
as
part
of
like
our
alternative
transportation
plan
or
our
ada
transition
plan,
that
we
need
to
accommodate
looking
at
different
parts
of
the
project,
design
and
then
also
during
construction.
We've
all
seen
projects
back
in
the
day.
We
don't
do
this
anymore,
but
we
I'll
be
honest.
We
have
done
it
in
the
past,
where
we
may
be
repairing
sidewalk
on
both
sides
of
the
road,
and
we
do
it
at
the
same
time.
Well,
that's
not
helpful
to
a
pedestrian
who
needs
to
use
that
sidewalk.
I
So
now
we
have
guidelines
that
say
you
know
you
can
only
do
one
side
of
the
sidewalk
at
a
time
that
sort
of
thing
over,
on
the
right
hand,
side
you're,
going
to
see
a
report
that
we
provide
council
on
an
annual
basis.
We
kind
of
just
outline
what
kind
of
improvements
we've
made
in
the
complete
street
area.
So
a
lot
of.
I
Our
pedestrian
ramps
are
improved
with
a
pavement
management
program,
so
we'll
build
new
pet
ped
ramps
or
often
we
are
replacing,
removing
and
replacing
the
existing
ones
so
that
we
are
compliant
with
the
current
ada
standards.
You
can
also
see
where
we've
added
sidewalk
or
repaired
existing
sidewalk
added
bike,
lanes,
trails
or
other
amenities.
I
I
That
doesn't
mean
we
haven't
updated
it
in
in
at
different
times
and
in
fact
I'll
tell
you
we're
probably
going
to
update
it
here
in
2022,
but
it
is
something
that
we
can
look
at
and
say:
we've
been
consistent
and
we've
treated
properties.
Equally,
we
bloomington
assesses,
based
on
an
adjusted
front,
footage.
I
We
are
trying
to
make
all
of
the
lots
equal
to
an
imaginary
rectangle
lot.
So
the
best
example
there
is
to
imagine
you're
on
a
cul-de-sac
and
you've
got
those
different,
wedge-shaped
lots.
Some
of
them
are
going
to
have
less
area
that
touches
the
curb.
Some
of
them
are
going
to
have
more
based
on
the
wedge
shape
and
we're
basically
trying
to
say
you're
all
the
same
and
we're
making
them
imaginary
rectangles.
I
I
I
I
So,
overall,
the
pavement
management
program
is
trying
to
take
the
right
action
at
the
right
time
to
prolong
pavement
life,
keep
our
infrastructure
in
good
condition
and
our
problem
streets
less
than
10
percent
of
our
overall
mileage.
It
maintains
or
increases
property
values
and
reduces
overall
costs.
I
Now
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
pmp
project
timeline
every
spring,
we
do
what
we
call
the
pmp
drive
around.
I
mentioned
earlier
that
we
have
our
pavement
condition
index
that
the
computer
tells
us,
but
we
don't
just
apply
that
willy-nilly.
We
go
out
and
we
look
well
is
center
point
energy
going
to
have
a
project
here,
the
494
project's
coming.
Do
we
want
to
tear
up
this
road
now?
Do
we
want
to
advance
it
sooner?
So
it
can
be
done
before
that
project
hits.
I
I
In
the
summer
we
have
what
we
call
our
pmp
scoping
meeting
and
we
invite
people
like
from
our
planning
division
park
and
rec
everyone.
We
think
who
would
be
impacted
by
a
street
construction
project
or
a
neighborhood
project
to
try
and
get
us
all
in
the
same
room.
So
we
can
talk
about
things
that
the
engineering
division
on
our
own
may
not
know
anything
about.
So
we're
trying
to
coordinate
those
and
see.
Are
there
improvements
we
can
make
you'll
see
the
star
here.
I
I
I
The
next
star
that
you
see
is
for
when
we
come
back
with
our
spot
improvements
to
our
traffic
system.
You'll.
Remember
that
last
winter
amy
came
and
gave
you
an
update
on
108th
in
france.
We
would
propose
to
do
that
again
with
any
of
our
out
of
unique
areas
or
unique
changes
in
the
winter.
We
designed
the
project
we
bid
it
in
the
spring
we
constructed
in
the
summer
next
fall.
I
I
So
now
I'm
going
to
get
to
the
more
exciting
parts,
although
some
of
the
graphics
are
a
little
hard
to
read
in
your
packet,
I
included
all
of
the
segments
and
I'm
only
going
to
highlight
a
five
of
them
on
this
thing,
just
because
our
scoping
meetings,
we
have
two
of
them
and
they're
each
about
two
hours
long.
I
figured
nobody
really
wanted
to
hear
me
speak
that
long,
so
we
are
proposing
to
do
four
miles
of
reconstruction
in
2022.
I
I
I
The
other
thing
we're
looking
at
is
adding
sidewalk
to
the
east
side.
If
you've
ever
been
out
there
at
a
funeral,
where
it
is
a
well-attended
funeral
you'll
notice,
we
have
a
lot
of
parking
on
queen
avenue
and
especially
in
the
winter,
you
can
tell
people
don't
know
exactly
how
to
get
into
the
funeral
home.
So
we
were
considering
adding
sidewalk.
I
will
tell
you
that
the
funeral
home
has
not
reached
out
to
us
to
add
that,
but
that
was
one
of
staff's
ideas.
I
The
other
thing
is
up
here
at
the
north
end,
there's
a
railroad
crossing,
but
it's
in
pretty
good
shape,
so
we're
not
proposing
to
upgrade
it
with
the
project.
However,
we
do
know
that
we
have
some
storm
sewer
underneath
that
crossing
that
has
been
pierced
by
some
private
utilities.
We've
repaired
that,
but
now
is
the
time
to
make
sure
that
those
repairs
are
holding
so
that
we
don't
have
to
tear
it
up
in
five
or
ten
years
again.
So
we
want
to
check
on
that
and
then
off
the
map.
I
I
That
is
because
fish
and
wildlife
has
reached
out
and
wants
to
partner
with
us
on
a
parking
lot
improvement
project
similar
to
what
we
did
at
old
cedar,
and
they
hadn't
wanted
to
do
that
back
in
2019
when
we
originally
asked,
but
because
we're
not
going
to
defer
it
forever
if
you've
ever
driven
that
road,
that's
not
a
great
conditioned
road,
we're
still
going
to
present
it
to
you.
It
has
existing
curve.
That's
36
feet
wide
because
it
used
to
be
a
min
dot
highway.
I
I
I
I
I
There
are
some
sight
distance
issues
with
the
existing
teardrop
in
the
cul-de-sac.
So
that's
why
we're
proposing
something
different?
Normally,
you
would
like
to
see
a
little
more
green
area
there,
but
right
now
some
of
those
trees
are
causing
a
safety
issue,
because
you
can't
see
the
bicyclist
in
time.
I
I
I
I
I
I
So
I've
asked
our
traffic
staff
to
determine
if
this
segment
should
remain
no
parking
or,
if,
because
of
its
36
feet
wide
with,
can
the
parking
remain
and
not
be
an
issue?
So
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
that,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
there
is
the
mall
of
america,
the
transit
center
up
to
the
north.
If
you
have
ever
been
out
there,
there's
a
lot
of
cut
through
through
the
parking
lot,
which
is
not
the
best
way
for
a
pedestrian
to
move
through
a
community.
I
This
last
segment
for
the
22
101
pmp
reconstruct,
is
on
american
boulevard
from
28th
to
34th
avenue.
If
you've
been
out
in
the
south
loop
recently
you've
seen
that
we've
had
a
construction
project
on
28th
avenue,
where
we've
been
replacing
the
sanitary
sewer
project,
this
corridor
would
be
the
sanitary
sewer
phase.
2
corridor
and
you've
also
probably
seen
a
lot
of
the
multi-family
housing
further
to
the
east,
which
is
generating
the
need
for
the
sewer
upgrade.
I
So
what
we're
proposing
to
do
is
reconstruct
this
road.
Oh,
I
should
also
mention
this.
One
is
a
state
aid
segment,
so
this
as
the
city,
we
receive
gas
tax
proceeds
to
help
fund
some
of
our
roads
and
we
get
to
designate
those
and
we've
designated
those
as
state
aid
segments.
American
boulevard
is
one
of
those,
so
there
with
that
money
comes
some
strings.
So
there
are
certain
requirements
that
you
have
to
meet
on
the
mndot
side.
I
We
are
looking
at
if
you
look
in
our
capital
improvement
plan,
the
cip.
We
have
some
intersection
projects
laid
out
based
on
development,
future
development,
that's
coming
since
we're
going
to
be
installing
the
sanitary
sewer
and
disrupting
the
road.
We
want
to
see
if
it's
feasible
at
this
time
to
put
in
these
improvements,
so
we'll
be
including
a
lot
of
those
different
turn
lanes
in
the
project.
I
The
other
thing
we
want
to
look
at
is
we
want
to
look
at
some
of
these
free
write,
locations
on
metro,
drive
or
international
drive
and
see
if
we
can
remove
those
free
rights,
make
it
harder
for
a
pedestrian
to
cross
the
road,
and
some
of
these
designs
are
older
designs.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
looking
at
the
traffic
numbers
to
see
if
they're
justified,
if
they're
justified
great,
maybe
we'll
keep
them,
but
we'll
redesign
them
into
a
more
safe
right
turn
bay
or
right
turn.
Freewrite,
that's
the
word.
I
There
are
two
things
that
are
driving
future
changes.
One
is
the
riverview
modern
streetcar
project
is
going
to
come
to
the
south
loop
they're
coming
at
this
time
proposed
to
come
through
this
intersection.
That
would
generate
some
changes.
That
would
need
to
happen
in
the
at
the
intersection
that
project's
about
10
years
out
on
the
optimistic
side,
and
it
could
be
further
out.
We
also
have
looked
at
like
I
mentioned
future
development,
so
we
think
at
some
point
we're
going
to
need
to
add
this.
You
can
kind
of
see
it
through
the
green.
I
I
I
I'm
gonna
highlight
a
few
of
them
and
I
apologize
the
graphics
you
saw
earlier.
I
tried
to
make
them
big,
so
you
could
see
them,
but
then
they
got
a
little
too
big
and
multiple
slides
this
one
I
may
have
made
too
small,
but
the
vanessa
area
includes
a
lot
of
streets
in
the
area.
Vanessa
is
also
a
state
aid
route.
I
We
are
looking
at
the
signal
impacts
to
see
should,
can
we
add
a
flashing,
yellow
arrow
video
detection,
upgrading
some
of
the
overhead
signage.
We
know
that
because
of
where
it
is
with
in
bush
lake-
and
you
can
see
the
wetlands
in
the
picture,
we
have
some
groundwater
issues
and
then
some
watering
issues
from
the
residents.
I
One
of
the
other
things
we
want
to
look
at
is
at
west
bush,
lake,
road
and
vanessa.
The
that's
it's
up
here
at
the
north.
Sorry,
we
have
an
issue
with
the
pedestrian
visibility
for
southbound
traffic
and
we
want
to
see.
Are
there
something
we
can
do
with
the
project?
Knowing
that
on
an
overlay
we
keep
most,
we
try
to
keep
most
of
the
curbs
to
limit
the
expense,
but
you
know
we're
not.
I
I
I
We
have
applied
for
and
received
a
federal
grant
to
do,
an
enhanced
crosswalk
at
98th
and
xerxes,
which
will
be
constructed
in
2024,
but
because
this
project's
coming
in
2022,
we
want
to
make
sure
we
are
far
enough
along
in
the
design
that
we
don't
build
something
in
2022
and
then
rip
it
out
in
2024,
because
again,
not
responsible
use
of
taxpayer
dollars.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we're
doing
this
upcoming
construction
season
accommodates
what
we're
going
to
do
in
the
future.
I
The
other
thing
is
brookside
park.
As
I
mentioned,
we
have
our
pmp
scoping
meeting
and
it
includes
a
lot
of
different
people
with
throughout
the
city
park
and
rec.
Let
us
know
that
they're
planning
on
upgrading
their
entrance
to
the
park
and
possibly
doing
some
pa
parking
lot
improvements
there.
Also.
Let
us
know
that,
with
the
park
master
plan,
this
is
a
proposed
location
for
an
inclusive
playground
and
also
other
park
improvements.
I
I
This
is
the
next
section
of
xerxes
avenue
this
one's
further
north.
It
is
between
84th
street
and
90th.
Again,
it
is
a
state
aid
segment
on
the
north
end
near
the
school.
We
had
upgraded
the
signal
about
10
years
ago.
It
was
one
of
our
last
signals
that
were
on
wood
poles,
but
we
didn't
do
anything
with
the
loop
detection
on
xerxes.
G
I
We
also
want
to
look
at
the
intersection
of
88th
and
xerxes.
If
you've
been
out
there,
it
has
a
tiny
right.
Pork
chop
for
the
northbound
to
eastbound
section
is
that
necessary?
Can
we
make
it
smaller
and
easier
for
a
pedestrian
to
cross,
and
then
this
last
bullet
point
we
may
not
be
able
to
achieve,
because
it
is
an
overlay
project,
but
the
furthest
northeast
xerxes
circle
is
very
flat
and
has
some
drainage
issues.
So
we
want
to
see
if
we
can
improve
that.
I
I
And
there
is
a
business
on
the
southeast
quadrant
and
because
there's
a
business
and
parking
as
you
and
the
planning
commission
know,
we
require
screening,
so
there's
a
berm
there,
but
we
think
the
berm
may
be
impacting
some
of
the
site
distance,
but
we
don't
want
the
berm
to
go
away
because
the
house
across
the
street
you
know
is
a
single
family
home.
They
don't
want
those
headlights
in
their
yard,
so
we're
trying
to
address
an
infrequent
but
persistent
crash
problem.
I
I
So
what
we
did
initially
is
we
put
out
temporary,
curb
bump
outs
on
89th
street
and
stop
signs
trying
to
get
the
vehicles
further
out
into
the
middle,
so
you
can
see
them
better.
Our
concern
with
this
option
is
18th
avenue.
Is
the
primary
north-south
travel
way
and
we
didn't
want
to
see
increased
speeds,
so
we
wanted
to
do
this
trial
see
what
kind
of
results
we
got.
We
also
have
another
trial.
That's
out
there
right
now.
I
I
I
Now,
I'm
moving
on
to
2023
with
the
reconstruct
again
we're
targeting
about
four
miles
of
reconstruct
in
2023,
and
I
only
have
one
segment
to
highlight
for
you
here
that
is
94th
street,
which
is
off
of
france
to
the
west.
It's
just
north
of
the
normandale
community
college.
We
have
two
competing
interests
here.
Normandale
community
college
has
expressed
that
they
would
like
to
see
a
signal
at
94th
in
france,
but
it
doesn't
meet
warrants,
which
is
engineering
speak
for
the
rules
that
guide
when
you
should
or
shouldn't
put
in
a
traffic
signal.
I
If
you
put
in
the
wrong
traffic
control
device
that
doesn't
meet
the
needs,
people
won't
follow
it.
So
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
We
want
to
make
sure
our
stop
signs
and
our
signals
are
placed
appropriately
so
that
people
know
this.
This
is
the
right
device
for
this
location,
so
the
as
I
mentioned,
the
community
college
would
like
to
see
us
put
in
as
traffic
signal.
I
We
do
have
parks
to
the
north,
so
I
don't
know
how
feasible
that
is.
But
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
this
summer
is:
we
need
to
do
traffic
counts
during
the
school
year,
because
if
we
did
them
in
the
summer,
they
wouldn't
be
all
that
valid.
Unfortunately,
for
us
the
delta
variant
continued,
so
we
didn't
get
the
return
to
normal
that
we
were
hoping
for
we're
hoping
return
to
normal
comes
in
the
spring,
so
we
can
do
the
traffic
counts
to
help
inform
our
decision
all
right.
I
Moving
on
to
the
last
segment,
I
bet
you're
happy
to
hear
that
it's
coming
to
an
end.
These
are
our
2023
102
overlay
candidates,
again
we're
proposing
to
do
9.5
miles
of
overlay,
and
I've
highlighted
four
different
areas
to
talk
about.
So
this
is
the
bloomington
ferry
road
pioneer
trail
area
we
want.
I
had
just
mentioned
about
signals
and
having
the
appropriate
traffic
control
device.
I
I
I
As
you
know,
we
have
a
sustainability
commission
and
we
have
existing
sidewalk
on
this
corridor.
That's
adjacent
to
a
bituminous
trail.
Our
maintenance
division
does
not
plow
that
sidewalk
in
the
winter
and
so
in
an
effort
to
remove
our
impervious
area.
Could
that
be
removed
and
everyone
just
move
on
to
the
sidewalk.
I
In
the
past
we
have
had
a
council
member
request
over
down
here
at
landau
circle,
with
the
bloomington
lutheran
school
just
to
the
north.
Look
at
putting
up
a
marked
crosswalk.
We
want
to
ins,
we
have
a
camera
that
we
use
to
do
pedestrian
and
bike
counts.
We
want
to
deploy
that
camera
during
the
school
year
to
see
if
it
is
a
need
that
we
should
be
accommodating
with
the
project
and
then
the
last
one
that
you
can't
see.
I
It's
the
only
time
you'll
ever
look
at
the
intersection
of
bloomington
ferry
road
and
pioneer
trail
and
think
that
this
is
a
small
intersection.
If
you
actually
went
out
and
looked
at
it,
it
is
kind
of
ginormous
and
it
is
not.
It
was
built
for
a
different
era
for
a
different
time
in
a
different
traffic
volume,
and
so
are
there
things
we
can
do
with
the
project
to
make
it
more
accommodating
for
bicyclists
and
pedestrians
in
the
area
moving
just
slightly
south
from
that
area.
I
And
then,
when
we
had
our
scoping
meeting
with
park
and
rack,
they
indicated
that
their
staff
was
interested
in
removing
parking
restrictions
adjacent
to
the
park,
and
we,
our
traffic
division,
has
a
process
for
doing
parks
or
parking
removal
where
we
survey
the
neighborhoods
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
we
would
undertake
that.
I
I
We
want
to
look
at
the
possibility
of
adding
sidewalk
in
the
80th
street
area
with
that
multi-family
housing.
There
is
a
lot
of
pedestrian
use
in
the
area
and
there
are
some
parking
issues
in
the
area,
so
we
think
as
staff
we
feel
it
would
be
safer
for
if
we
could
build
a
sidewalk
in
that
area
and
want
to
explore
that
area.
I
A
All
right,
thank
you,
miss
long
and
just
again,
understanding
that
really
bringing
transportation
back
to
the
planning
commission
is
a
relatively
recent
phenomenon
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
giving
the
appropriate
feedback
for
you
that
you
can
utilize
now
and
then
maybe
develop
questions
for
for
our
future.
So,
regarding
the
the
the
pmp
plan,
starting
22
23,
are
those
projects
pretty
much
set
in
place?
At
this
point,
I
think
you
said
it's
going
to
council
here
later
this
month.
I
A
I
I
Well,
it's
my
fault
for
putting
it
on
the
on
the
slide.
So
mr
chair,
commissioner,
cook
done
a
state
aid
segment.
Is
the
city
receives
money
back
from
mndot?
It's
a
proportion
of
the
gas
tax
and
we
get
a
portion
back
and
it's
based
on
mileage
and
population,
and
some
other
factors
is
how
it's
calculated
for
all
the
cities
and
all
the
counties
throughout
minnesota,
and
we,
based
on
our
mileage,
are
given
a
certain
number
of
miles
to
allocate
on
to
what
we
call
our
state
aid
system.
I
There
usually
are
collectors
and
arterials
arterial
roads,
so
the
busier
roads,
the
one
nice
thing
about
the
state
aid
system
is
that
we
use
those
dollars
when
we're
doing
our
assessments,
to
kind
of
pretend
that
you
don't
live
on
a
busy
state
aid
route
and
it
it
costs.
You
the
same,
even
though
there's
a
median
and
maybe
some
signal
systems
as
someone
who
lives
on
a
quiet
or
32
foot
wide
street.
B
G
G
G
The
first
crosswalk
is
either
penn
or
it's
france,
there's
nothing
in
between.
So
from
a
walkability
perspective,
there's
a
serious
gap
there.
It
actually
has
gotten
better
since
the
driveway
relocation
of
that
newly
built
home
at
the
tee
there.
They
left
the
the
curb
in,
and
it
actually
does
help
a
little
bit
with
the
accessibility,
especially
with
crossing
in
the
area,
but
I'm
really
excited
to
hear
that
you're
putting
a
crosswalk
or
looking
at
putting
a
crosswalk
in
that
area.
G
The
other
place
I
would
also
recommend
thinking
about
crosswalk-
is
the
the
street
hundredth
street
into
brookside,
which
goes
into
that
parking
lot.
I
live
in
the
community
actually
live
on
washburn
there,
just
south
of
100th
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
my
neighborhood
that
walk
to
the
park
and
xerxes
children
walk
to
the
park
by
just
because
there
is
no
crosswalk
in
that
area.
A
I
At
this
point
in
time,
we
have
not
been
asked
to
make
those
parking
lot
improvements
with
our
project
that
doesn't
mean
park
and
rec
isn't
going
to
ask
us
if
you
remember
the
off
leash
dog
area.
A
couple
years
ago
we
had
an
overlay
project
out
on
the
public
street
and
park
and
rec
did
ask
us:
can
you
enhance
the
parking
lot
at
that
same
time,
so
there
is
still
an
opportunity
for
those
two
projects
to
come
together.
We
would
not
be
building
the
accessible
parking
or
playground,
that's
not
engineering's
expertise.
A
It's
effectively
meant
for
people
driving
not
like,
maybe
commissioner
goldsman,
so
I
didn't
I
was
maybe
it
was
more
about
the
timing
of
maybe
pedestrian
access
or
crossings
going
into
the
park,
so
that
was
really
where
it's
going.
I
didn't
know
if
that
falls
into
yours
or
it
falls
into
the
parks
department.
At
this
point.
I
We're
we're
working
together,
so
we
do
have
a
project.
I
showed
you,
the
dred
scott
area.
We
do
have
a
dred
scott
trail
improvement
project.
That's
coming
up,
so
we
are
partnering
with
park
and
rex
to
do
those
pedestrian
improvements
so
and,
like
I
said,
they're
aware
of
our
projects,
so
we
anticipate
them
coming
and
saying:
oh
yeah,
we've
looked
at
our
budget
and
we
can
build
x,
y
and
z,
but
we
can't
build
double
a
and
double
b,
even
though
we
really
want
to
because
of
funding
constraints.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you
for
all
this
good
information
on
the
northern
portion
of
xerxes.
You
talked
about
the
the
random
free
right
there
at
88th.
I
would
echo
your
observation.
I
many
times
I
drive
through
there
and
I
see
people
struggling
with
the
pedestrians
who
are
struggling
with
you
know,
that's
an
area
that
has
good
sidewalks,
but
so,
if
that
makes
at
all
sense
to
take
that
free
ride
out
great
and
then
you
know
earlier,
you
don't
have
to
go
back
to
it.
C
But
earlier
in
your
presentation,
you
gave
us
some
good
context
about
the
policy
that
guides
your
work
and
I
think
you
know
that
is,
if
anything
that
we
can
do
as
a
group
is
to
give
you
clear
direction
and
then
the
policy
you
have
is
what
guides
your
work,
and
it's
interesting
to
see
that
that
was.
You
know
we're
coming
up
in
20
years,
since
that
was
established
so
and
then
the
next
chart.
C
When
you
talked
about
complete
streets-
and
I
I
I
see
the
progressive
it's
okay,
you
don't
have
to
go
back
to
it.
I
don't
have
anything
profound
to
add
to
what's
there,
but
you
know
I
look
at
the
linear
sidewalk
and
over
five
years
you
know
went
from
about
almost
a
mile
of
sidewalk
to
maybe
across
this
room,
and
so
is
no
surprise
to
you.
That
is
my
thing,
and
so
we've
talked
about
potentially
when
we
get
to
our
work
plan
talking
about
that.
F
F
You
know
that
we
have
great
schools
in
bloomington
and
so,
along
with
that
comes
the
roads
that
are
around
our
school.
So
the
question
for
you
is
how
or
do
you
partner
with
the
school
district
with
the
pub
I
know
with
all
schools,
but
specifically
with
the
public
schools
on
surveying
and
watching
what
is
happening
in
the
area
of
each
one
of
our
schools?
F
Because
often
we
receive
letters
of
concerns
of
specific
schools,
specific
areas
where
there
are
no
crosswalks
or
cars
are
going
very
fast
or
there
is
not
a
sidewalk,
and
so
in
the
winter
it
gets
to
be
really
dangerous,
and
so
you
know
there's
areas
like
hillcrest,
for
example,
coming
from
penn
all
the
way
down,
it
is
very,
very
dangerous
and
the
speed
limiter
is
very
sturdy,
and
that
is
kind
of
pretty
fast
for
that
for
that
chunk
of
of
the
road,
and
then
we
have
jefferson.
You
know
we
have
kennedy.
F
There
has
been
issues
at
jefferson
right
on
france,
kennedy
obviously
and
another
one
is
the
area
where
the
stadium
is,
and
so
that
area
is
pretty
open
and
it's
you
know,
with
the
amount
of
cars
that
come
and
go
during
the
football
games
in
in
the
amount
of
students
that
are
crossing
at
that
time
and
right,
one
is
so
dark.
So
there's
a
lot
of
concerns.
So
how
do
you
work
together
with
our
schools
to
make
sure
that
you
know
this?
A
I
I
We
are
looking
at
updating
our
safe
routes
to
school
plan.
We
are
there's
a
funding
opportunity,
we're
exploring
on
applying.
For
that.
The
other
thing
we
do
have
an
existing
one
in
place,
but
we've
knocked
off
a
lot
of
those
projects.
So
it's
time
to
update
and
go
look
for
new
projects
in
that
plan,
so
we
are
partnering
with
them
and
look
to
be
updating
our
safe
routes
to
school
for
guidelines
in
the
next
couple
years.
A
I
I
don't
actually
know
if
that
one
was
included
in
the
plan,
but
it
is
still
our
goal.
We
know
that
it's
important,
you
know
for
school
children
to
be
able
to
get
to
school
safely
and
you
know
get
those
walking
opportunities,
learn
them
while
you're
young
and
be
less
sedentary.
As
you
know,
we
age
so.
A
Yeah
and
again
I
just
following
up
knowing
that
that
process
is
available
to
cities
and
seeking
any
way
we
can
to
avoid
spending
well
efficient
use
of
taxpayer
money
and
so
utilizing
funds
that
are
available
for
that
from
the
state
for
planning
and
then
for
future
projects.
I
think,
is
a
great
idea,
and
I
appreciate
that
city
engineering
is
tracking,
that
and
and
expediting
those
projects
and
planning.
I
A
I
One
more
highlight,
if
I
might
interrupt
I
had
mentioned
the
grant
the
city
has
received
for
98th
and
xerxes.
We
also
applied
over
at
kennedy
for
a
crossing.
At
that
same
on
that
same
grant.
We
part
we
paired
three
different
crossings
around
town
for
that
grant,
so
we
we
do
have
more
projects
coming
in
the
future.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Miss
long
question.
You
had
a
cross
section
of
lindale
near
the
terminus,
showed
a
couple
of
bike
lanes
striped
off,
and
I
think
you
mentioned
we
have
some
soil
troubles
or
sloping
issues
or
something
in
this
in
this
corridor.
I
sure
wish
we
could
get
a
sidewalk
there,
but
it
seems
like
that's,
not
feasible.
I
Commissioner
cookton
we're
concerned
that
if
you've
been
out
there
and
you've
seen
where
the
curb
has
dipped
we're
concerned
that
we're
going
to
build
a
sidewalk
out
there
and
it
will
also
dip-
and
there
are
some
wetlands
in
the
area-
and
so
there
are
some
places
where
we're
not
sure.
We
have
enough
room
to
build
that.
I
But
we're
also
concerned
that,
if
it
dips,
then
it
becomes
a
safety
hazard
and
because
people
have
driven
over
the
road
for
longer
time,
we're
hoping
that
with
some
appropriate
drain
tile
and
sub
cuts,
we
can
get
the
road
structure
to
stay
in
place
instead
of
moving
over
time.
So
far
old
cedar
is
holding
up
better
than
we
expected
so,
but
we
are
going
to
reach
out
to
some
geotechnical
expertise.
One
of
the
I
think
the
successes
that
we
had
at
old
cedar
is.
I
B
Okay,
well,
I
think,
for
people
on
foot
even
having
a
bike
lane
there
to
walk
in
probably
feels
a
lot
safer
than
what
it
is
today.
So
I
think
we're
still
seeing
an
improvement,
which
is
good.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
ask
you
about
very
specifically,
is
down
by
the
bass.
Pons,
there's
a
parking
lot,
a
little
road
that
goes
past.
I
think
it's
fire
station
number
three
and
kind
of
heads
down
there
and
I
believe
the
pavement's
in
pretty
rough
shape.
I
I
A
And
what
is
it
really
the
the
context
of
the
neighborhood
that
might
help
determine
width
in
the
future?
Another
thing
I'm
curious
about
is
really-
and
it's
maybe
a
little
bit
off
topic,
but
as
long
as
we're
on
transportation,
speed
limits
and
since
the
legislature
did
change
the
law
on
speed
limits
in
the
past.
Is
that
something
that
the
city
has
thought
about
considered,
maybe
is
put
off
for
another
year,
so
that's
kind
of
the
the
second
part
and
then
I'll
come
back.
A
The
third
part
really
just
my
understanding
of
the
payment
management
program
and
communities
that
wish
to
have
lower
speed
limits.
It's
really
a
request
from
them
to
look
for
traffic
management
prior
to
reconstruction
or
major
any
major
construction.
Is
that
correct
and-
and
maybe
is
there
a
way
to
be
more
proactive
with
the
communities
to
seek
those
sorts
of
improvements
that
might
slow
traffic
in
their
neighborhoods?
Because
I
we
we
tend
to
hear
that
that
traffic
is
oftentimes
going
fast,
but
then
the
other
side
is
well.
A
A
I
I
I
So
we
are
looking
at
that
we
are
trying
to
do
a
better
job
of
communicating
with
our
residents
and
communicating
with
you
as
planning
commission,
because
we
acknowledge
that
in
the
past
we
didn't
give
people
a
lot
of
heads
up
in
the
past.
We
never
had
our
2023
streets
ready
to
go
to
tell
anyone
about
them
a
year
in
advance.
So
we
are.
We
are
working
to
improve
that
and
on
some
of
those
2023
streets,
our
traffic
engineering
staff
will
be
reaching
out
to
those
neighborhoods
there's
one.
I
I
You
know
2022
to
reach
out
to
them
to
find
out
what
kind
of
responses
or
they're
interested
in
and
then
see
if
we
can
incorporate
them
in,
but
I
will
acknowledge
that
in
the
past
that
was
not
our
practice,
and
that
is
not
what
we
did
and
we
didn't
give
people
a
whole
lot
of
heads
up.
Although
I
will
also
say
people
tend
to
recycle
a
lot
of
our
mail,
we
haven't
quite
figured
out
how
to
get
them
to
say
open
this.
I
You
mentioned
speed
limits.
That
is
also
something
we
have
heard
from
council
and
we
are
looking
at
how
to
holistically
look
at
traffic
in
bloomington
and
see
what
kind
of
improvements
we
can
do.
I
don't
have
a
timeline
for
you
on
specific,
but
it
is.
It
is
on
our
radar
and
it
is
something
that
we
want
to
look
at.
A
Okay,
yeah-
and
I
think
so
all
that
really
kind
of
revolves
around
maybe
a
policies
that
currently
are
used
and
and
may
or
may
not
be
outdated.
Maybe
perfectly
fine
and
just
thinking
about
and
again
I
think
about
speed
limits.
I
recognize
signs,
they
aren't
what
make
people
drive
the
speed
that
they
want.
A
It's
really
about
the
environment
around
them,
and
so
then
that
comes
back
to
the
our
pavement
program
and
how
we
may
introduce
pieces
that
would
set
set
the
tone
for
the
way
people
would
drive
down
a
particular
street
so
appreciate
the
feedback
on
that.
As
far
as
the
projects
we
saw
in
front
of
us,
I
think
you
hear
it
a
lot
of
concentration
on
bike
and
pet
improvements.
A
Getting
rid
of
free
rights
sounds
like
something
generally
that
we're
interested
in,
because
that
does
again
revolve
around
bike
and
ped
improvements
in
the
city,
and
I
think
that
ultimately
goes
to
all
the
other
goals
that
we've
seen
in
the
comp
plan.
So,
commission
members
any
other
thoughts
here.
Anything
specific
commissioner,
roman.
C
Thanks,
I
I
don't
nothing
to
do,
but
I
build
on
the
comment
you
made
about
whether
it's
about
speed
or
whether
it's
about
street
width
and
again,
as
we
have
a
bigger
conversation
about
that
an
example
of
where
I
saw
that
I
thought
to
me-
seemed
successful
and
because
again
people
no
one
wants
to
give
up
more
of
their
yard
and
things
that
a
couple
maybe
a
month
or
so
ago.
I
was
in
a
dine
and,
as
I
said
before,
I
hate
to
give
any
credit
to
anyone
other
than
bloomington.
C
C
C
You
didn't
want
to
drive
as
fast
as
well,
and
so
it
was
an
interesting
traffic
calming
effect
as
too
so
again,
not
looking
for
anything,
but
it
was
a
observation
I
made,
and
I
think
I
shared
with
the
chair
at
one
point
about
how
I'm
like
well.
This
is
an
innovative
idea
of
thinking
differently,
within
the
confines
of
where
you
had
been
before
yeah.
A
B
Secondly,
we're
trying
to
have
kind
of
reasonable
spacing
between
the
planning
commission
meetings,
certainly
trying
to
avoid
holidays
and
breaks
where
a
lot
of
people
may
be
not
present,
and
I
learned
just
before
the
meeting
I
think
we're
showing
a
march
31st
date
which
it
sounds
like
is
conflict
in
conflict
with
the
bloomington
school
district
spring
break
schedule.
So
that
could
be
a
date.
You
want
to
look
at
changing,
but
basically
we're
looking
for
feedback
and
then
potentially
adoption
of
the
2022
schedule.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
marker
guard,
so
in
part
just
thinking
about
this,
we
did
last
year
we
agreed
to
that
28
meetings
that
I
don't
remember.
If
we
changed
was
there
some
sort
of
bylaws
or
something
that
we
had
to
change
or
just
can
we
change
the
number
of
meetings,
as
I
think
about
the
31st,
and
I
look
through
the
calendar
where
to
add
another
meeting
becomes
a
little
difficult,
I
think,
towards
november
december
we
run
into
potentially
a
separation
of
two
weeks
between
thanksgiving
and
the
first
meeting
in
december.
A
However,
that
would
mean
then,
potentially,
if
it's
every
other
week-
and
I
don't
know
where
this
lines
up
with
city
council-
that
we
would
have
a
meeting
the
first,
the
15th
and
the
29th
and
between
the
24th
and
the
31st.
I
recognize
that
that
can
also
be
problematic
for
some
people.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
other
dates
of
conflict
that
folks
have
any
thoughts
on
that
have
conflicts
or
that
we
can
move
dates
to.
A
B
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair
yeah.
I
had
had
the
30th
first
flag
on
my
list
as
well,
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
preference
on
staff's
part
to
just
bump
that
to
the
24th
or
the
7th
I
don't
know
either
way
I
do.
What
I
like
about
this
schedule,
with
one
exception
in
here
is,
is
that
we
don't
have
more
than
one
week
in
between
meetings,
which
I
think
for
applicants
is
probably
more
predictable.
C
You
know
there's
no
meeting
at
the
end
of
august
and
then
there's
no
meeting
at
the
first
of
september,
so
you
do
have
a
three-week
gap
there,
but
otherwise
what
I
appreciate
about
this
calendar
is
it's
more
regular.
I
think
it's
helpful
for
applicants
and
I
would
look
to
you
and
your
advice
on
that
31st
one.
B
A
Okay,
well,
all
right,
so
we
can.
We
can
do
that.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
collecting
everybody's
thoughts.
Because
again
you
know,
I
cut
the
school
date
and
commissioner
roman
caught
that
are
there
any
other
conflicts
that
people
are
seeing
across
the
board
that
may
affect
not
only
just
us
but
public
attending.
B
H
B
F
F
G
B
F
G
C
G
B
A
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner
cook
den.
Is
there
a
second
second
commissioner
corman
with
a
second
all
right,
commission
members,
we
have
a
motion
and
second
in
front
of
us
to
approve
the
2022
planning
commission
calendar
attached
in
the
staff
report
ending
the
march
31st
to
the
24th
any
further
discussion
on
that
not
seeing
any
all
those
say,
all
those
in
favor
say
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
all
right!
Mr
mark
regard.
That
concludes
item
number.
Four.
Now
we're
moving
on
to
item
number,
five
planning,
commission
policy
and
issue
update.
B
Sure
mr
chair,
looking
forward
at
our
next
couple
meetings
november
18th,
so
two
weeks
is
our
next
meeting.
That
agenda
includes
the
south
town
item
that
you
continued
from
a
previous
meeting
and
it
also
includes
the
review
of
the
capital
improvement
plan,
so
just
two
items
on
that
agenda
and
then
looking
out
to
december
2nd.
Presently
we
only
have
one
item
on
that
agenda,
which
is
a
discussion
of
residential
livability
standards
and
that
one
is
a
little
bit
uncertain
whether
or
not
that
will
be
on
that
meeting.
B
H
B
A
A
Okay,
all
right
good
clarified.
I
understand
now
as
well
so
getting
the
answer
and
not
knowing
the
question
can
be
confusing.
Sometimes
all
right,
commission
members
anything
else
for
discussion
tonight,
otherwise
that
at
that
point
for
the
public.
That
concludes
our
november
fourth
meeting
of
the
planning
commission.
Thank
you
all
for
attending
and
watching
on
tv.